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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-11-11

---Logopened Fri Nov 11 00:00:14 2011
00:00<dardevelin>then i must say i have no idea
00:00<dardevelin>let's check with the bot
00:00<dardevelin>!grldr
00:01<dardevelin>you have a dual boot right ?
00:01<jonathan>no
00:01<dardevelin>did you had b4?
00:01<jonathan>i had puppy slacko
00:01<dardevelin>my tip is to try re-install the grub
00:02<jonathan>i did a full install but when it asked me about grub i didnt know what to do at the end and i just reboot
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00:02<dardevelin>Bad bad boy
00:03<dardevelin>no boo loader you can't boot on the OS
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00:03<dardevelin>*bootloader
00:03<dardevelin>install grub on /dev/sda and should be ok
00:03<jonathan>lol
00:03<dardevelin>assuming you using your internal HDD
00:03-!-tit [~tit@186.169.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #debian
00:04<jonathan>i never had t do anything w grub before
00:04<jonathan>yes all 60 gb of it lol'
00:04<dardevelin>and that you don't mind write to the MBR (master boot record )
00:04<jonathan>idk i just want a os
00:05<jonathan>i tried a bunch of os this one is best
00:05<dardevelin>the OS is most likely installed
00:05<dardevelin>but you didn't installed the grub so it doesn't boot
00:05<dardevelin>do you have a live cd?
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00:05<jonathan>yes
00:06<dardevelin>ok boot into it
00:06<dardevelin>mount your HDD
00:07<jonathan>ok
00:07<jonathan>its on my other comp next to me so i can stay here
00:07<dardevelin>ok better
00:08<dardevelin>use something like gparted to get the device name
00:08<dardevelin>to know if the drive is mounted on /dev/sdWHAT
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00:08<dardevelin>grub-install --force --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdYOUR_DRIVE
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00:09<dardevelin>if not mistaken the live cd will take the sda position and your internal hdd will be sda2
00:09<jonathan>im installing ppuppylucid
00:09<tit>please help me with a debian 6.03 32bits , one 5100 of intel, i have installed firmware y wireless-tools , but not recognise, tnks ;)
00:10<dardevelin>to mount the hdd you can either use gparted or use the command mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
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00:11<dardevelin>jonathan, your on debian channel tough rofl
00:11<jonathan>i couldnt find puppy
00:11<jonathan>i jusrt rebooted
00:11<dardevelin>did you installed grub ?
00:11<jonathan>to the cd im going to start from the beginning
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00:12<jonathan>no im starting over bc i am lost
00:12<dardevelin>if you do that
00:12<jonathan>lost in chat and on my computer lol
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00:12<dardevelin>you will never learn
00:13<jonathan>well there i s a option at end of install to load grub
00:13<jonathan>or something
00:13<jonathan>i hear you tho'
00:13<tit>any know the problem with intel 5100?
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00:14<dardevelin>tit, we've read your request, chill and wait until someone replies
00:14<jonathan>smoke a bowl relax
00:14<dardevelin>tit, until that do some google
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00:15<jonathan>ok says it is installed on hdd
00:15<tit>ok thanks
00:15<jonathan>im clicked install
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00:15<jonathan>says sda1 cannot be unmounted
00:16<dardevelin>tit, do you have the contributor and non free repos on ?
00:16<jonathan>sda1currently mounted read write sda1 does not have lupusave.3fs file in it
00:16<dardevelin>i'm under the impression that card is the same as mine, and that needs proprietary firmware
00:16<tit>yes
00:17<dardevelin>your on squeez right ?
00:18<tit>yes
00:18<tit>thanks
00:18<dardevelin>not sure if this will work
00:18<dardevelin>http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian
00:18<dardevelin>mint supported my card
00:18<dardevelin>so mintwifi package should have all the software required
00:18<jonathan>daredevelin any idea what to do here
00:19<tit>thanks very much
00:19<dardevelin>jonathan, unfortunately no
00:19<dardevelin>tit, lol thank me after being working
00:20<dardevelin>jonathan, either way for puppy support you should their irc
00:20<dardevelin>*try their ...
00:21<dardevelin>freenode #puppylinux
00:21<dardevelin>it's full of people
00:22<tit>sorry, is for my english, i need learn, i´m spanish, but in the channel debian-es tend not to answer a lot
00:22<tit>thanks you very much, pass a good day
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00:23<dardevelin>tit, np, have a nice day
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00:23<dardevelin>i know some spanish ( you live near by , pt here )
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00:27<jonathan>shoould i do a frugal nstall?
00:27<jonathan>i want to use most of disk
00:27<tit>the problem is that debian with lspci or lsusb dont detect the 5100 or 4965 , i dont remember which is
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00:31<dardevelin>frugal?
00:31<tit>card as I can know that I have if I did not recognize lspci?
00:31<jonathan>kjghjbjbi
00:32<ml|>dardevelin: please don't suggest to others to use non debian packages; it is not supported or recommended
00:33<dardevelin>ml|, it was exceptional. But message received
00:33<dardevelin>http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
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00:34<noyb>ayaka: thanks man the info from the wikki worked
00:34<noyb>got one other problem
00:34<tit>i stay in this page thanks, and this http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/%3Fn%3D i`m reading
00:34<noyb>auto mounting android phone sd card
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00:35<noyb>does anyone know how to make debian automount android
00:36<noyb>it just worked in linux mint
00:36<dardevelin>tit, some distros hack the kernel so it can vary ..
00:36<noyb>?
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00:37<ml|>tit: lspci -nn | grep -i network might give some pointers
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00:40<tit>thanks, only appears the usb ralink with which I am connected, the intel 5100 no trace
00:41<dardevelin>noyb, have look at here not sure if it will work for you /help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-automatically-mount-a-4gb-transcend-minisdhc-card-show-in-gnome-file-browser-658319/
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00:42<ml|>tit: is this a laptop, does it have a hardware switch?
00:43<noyb>dardevelin, too complicated
00:44<noyb>I'm new at debian
00:44<noyb>it's a bit more advanced than ubuntu or mint
00:45<noyb>looking at auto fs
00:46<ml|>dpkg: tell tit -about iwlwifi
00:46<ml|>tit: ^ I think that is what you need; good luck
00:46<dardevelin>noyb, i think you can make a folder in mnt folder and mount the card there once
00:47<dardevelin>get the unique id of the card
00:47<dardevelin>and then add the line to fstab
00:47<dardevelin>to automount
00:47<noyb>is there a program that will just automount anything I plug in?
00:48<noyb>I would prefer that
00:48<dardevelin>noyb, that is really unsafe... and i'm not quite sure on how to do that
00:48<ml|>noyb: using gnome?
00:48<noyb>why does it work directly in linux mint
00:49<noyb>they are both based on debian?
00:49<noyb>ml|, yes gnome
00:49<ml|>yes, but mint is _not_ debian, it ios different
00:49<ml|>*is
00:49<dardevelin>noyb, no, mint is based on ubuntu lmde is based on debian . and they are quite different in lot of things
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00:50<noyb>I'm liking it though
00:50<ml|>it should just work I would think, but I don't use gnome
00:50<noyb>forcing me to learn a bit more
00:50<ml|>noyb: ask later if you get no help now
00:50<noyb>especially because i hate what they did to ubuntu
00:51<noyb>unity is crap
00:51<noyb>ok
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00:52<noyb>dardevelin, What i meant was they are all based on debian
00:53<dardevelin>well but they still wildly incompatible ( ubuntu) the lmde is very compatible
00:53<noyb>ml|, found this :http://linux-software-news-tutorials.blogspot.com/2011/08/tip-solving-problem-of-automatic.html
00:53<dardevelin>!mountpy
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00:53<dardevelin>mountpy scans all devices connected to the system, and tries
00:53<dardevelin>to mount them, creating mount directories as needed.
00:53<dardevelin>Warning: After configured, this program allows ordinary users
00:53<dardevelin>to mount external filesystems. Do not install it on
00:53<dardevelin>multiuser machines with untrusted users!
00:53-!-dardevelin was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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00:54<dardevelin>didn't expect that one to be so big
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00:54<dardevelin>got kicked by debhelper
00:55<dardevelin>checkout if you have mountpy
00:56<dardevelin>to mount them, creating mount directories as needed.
00:56<dardevelin>Warning: After configured, this program allows ordinary users
00:56<dardevelin>to mount external filesystems. Do not install it on
00:56<dardevelin>multiuser machines with untrusted users!
00:56-!-dardevelin was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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00:56<dardevelin>how /msg dpkg paste work ?
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00:57<noyb>dardevelin, thanks will look for it
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00:57<dardevelin>yw
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00:58<ml|>dardevelin: type that where you normally type
00:59<ml|>here in irc
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01:00<dardevelin>it was my bad, for moments thought it was a bot function were you could pass him the message and he posted on paste.debian
01:00<dardevelin>and linked automatically in the channel
01:00<dardevelin>so when i used the command was kicked again
01:00<dardevelin>rofl
01:00<dardevelin>*[naive ]
01:01<ml|>heh, you paste to a pastebin then paste the link here
01:02<jthill>(all hail pastebinit)
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01:03<ml|>I prefer lodgeit.py ask dpkg
01:03<noyb>dardevelin, ran blkd and it says it's vfat could it be that I don't have ntfs support?
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01:04<dardevelin>noyb, i think is more like the sd is formated in vfat
01:04<noyb>ya that's what i meant
01:04<dardevelin>from that tutorial you would put something like this in /etc/fstab
01:04<dardevelin>/dev/sdc1 /media/sdcard vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,user,noauto 0 0
01:04<noyb>maybe it won't mount because its vfat
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01:04<dardevelin>but it's recommend to use UUID instead of /media/sdcard
01:05<noyb>what is UUID?
01:05<ml|>dardevelin: I think you mean /dev/sdX
01:05<ml|>dpkg: uuid
01:05<dpkg>A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
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01:06<noyb>dardevelin, ok thanks
01:06<dardevelin>ml|, yes, ty for pointing out
01:07<ml|>np
01:08<jthill>ml|: thanks, looks real nice
01:09<ml|>jthill: ?
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01:13<noyb>dardevelin, It's :/dev/sdb1: LABEL="ANDROID" UUID="ED4A-258C" TYPE="vfat"
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01:14<jthill>ml|: lodgeit
01:14<ml|>oh, yes it is great
01:15<dardevelin>noyb, ok, that is nice to know ... I personally don't mount sd cards that is why don't know much about it...
01:15<noyb>ahh I see
01:15<dardevelin>usually do my transfer via bluetooth
01:15<noyb>isn't that slow
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01:16<ml|>noyb: like I said it should just work in gnome; I use usbmount /msg dpkg usbmount
01:16<dardevelin>however i did fight to get my ntfs working with ntfs3g
01:16<noyb>lol
01:17<noyb>it's always something but hey that's what keeps us learning
01:17<dardevelin>That's the spirit
01:17<dardevelin>:D
01:17<noyb>I wish it would just work lol
01:17<dardevelin>well i don't :D i'm not hopeless when something breaks or doesn't work in gnu lands
01:18<dardevelin>can't say the same while was in the M$
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01:22<noyb>gone from ms to ub to mint and now deb
01:22<noyb>tried many others inbetween for fun
01:23<noyb>dardevelin, if they make it too hard you don't learn anything and if they make it too easy you don't learn either
01:24<dardevelin>if they make it too hard, you need also to try harder :D
01:25<dardevelin>i don't mind hard as long well explained somewhere
01:25<dardevelin>or still work able
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01:33<noyb>dardevelin, got it!!!!
01:33<noyb>deleted a line in fstab and presto
01:34<dardevelin>watch out, the OS might need info that is in there
01:34<dardevelin>for later on reference
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01:36<noyb>dardevelin, you gotta break it to fix it lol
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01:37<dardevelin>rofl, well when if you break in the boot parts
01:37<dardevelin>and happen to be without live cd
01:37<dardevelin>or way to boot
01:37<dardevelin>= wast of time :D
01:37<dardevelin>also you should have made a backup of the original file
01:38<noyb>dardevelin, that's what i did today had mint installed alongside ubuntu and deleted ubuntu and no boot lol
01:38<noyb>lost everything but thankfully I keep it all on my phone
01:38<dardevelin>ehehe
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01:40<noyb>reformatting 2 netbooks as well
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01:48<dardevelin>cya ltr
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02:15<embat>hello, how do i list channels?
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02:28<marius_st>no passwd in a preseed file! how to do this?
02:28<OpenTokix>marius_st: What do you mean?
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02:29<OpenTokix>marius_st: ie. account with empty password?
02:29<marius_st>I want to install mysql-server but with no passwd
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02:29<OpenTokix>oh, intresting
02:29<OpenTokix>Havent done that, sorry
02:29<marius_st>ok
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02:31<marius_st>Is there a chance to add "null" or "\n" instead of a passwd?
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02:37<Guest16691>hi i need some assistance how do i block off webpages on 11.4 i cant seem to find domain blocker please
02:37<tale>Guest16691: That is Ubuntu. This is Debian channel.
02:38<Guest16691>oops sowi
02:39<ompaul>and you want to tell them 11.04 it is month year :)
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03:03<JoeKickass>can someone tell me what is happening here? http://paste.debian.net/144703/
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03:04<jm_>yes
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03:04<JoeKickass>huzzah
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03:10<JoeKickass>no?
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03:13<Bushmills>adding "echo foo" to Cogs-amd64 , just below the hashbang, may give a clue.
03:14<JoeKickass>it has not shebang
03:14<JoeKickass>$ head -n1 ./Cogs-amd64
03:14<JoeKickass>ELF2@@��
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03:24<weasel>ah
03:24<weasel>JoeKickass: dpkg --print-architecture
03:25<weasel>JoeKickass: what does that say?
03:25<JoeKickass>i386
03:25<weasel>ok, so the program tries to run the amd64 version when it shouldn't
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03:25<weasel>either try running ./Cogs-x86,
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03:25<weasel>or run linux32 ./Cogs
03:25<weasel>and enjoy the sliding puzzles
03:27<JoeKickass>sweeeet linux32 works
03:28<JoeKickass>weasel: thanks
03:28<weasel>you're welcome
03:28<thorgrin>just out of curiosity, what causes the difference between uname -m and dpkg --print-architecture ?
03:28<weasel>uname is the kernel
03:28<weasel>dpkg prints the userland arch
03:28<dpkg>weasel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
03:28<weasel>dpkg: yes
03:28<dpkg>really??? wohoo!
03:28<thorgrin>;D
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03:28<weasel>dpkg: na, just kidding
03:28<dpkg>weasel: no idea
03:29<weasel>booo
03:29<JoeKickass>and why do I get the unhelpful "No such file or directory"?
03:29<weasel>because you don't have the dynamic linker for amd64 binaries installed
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03:29<thorgrin>ok, so there is 64b kernel but all libraries are 32 bit so no 64bit apps on that system, right?
03:29<weasel>correct
03:29<idealist>hello @all. back again
03:30<thorgrin>thanks
03:30<weasel>unless they are statically linked, or you get all the libraries and linker and stuff
03:30<JoeKickass>hmm
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04:05<ayaka>I have problems with jack in fact my audio always have problem,I once set JACK_SERVER=1 in env,but recently it won't start auto
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04:21<XeonBloomfield>Hello
04:21<XeonBloomfield>What is the best solution to get system start timestamp?
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04:22<ayaka>XeonBloomfield, means what time it be booted?
04:22<XeonBloomfield>yes, time from what uptime is calculated
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04:22<jm_>cat /proc/uptime
04:23<ayaka>XeonBloomfield, jm_'s answer is the best
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04:23<XeonBloomfield>But I want timestamp which start that calculation if possible directly
04:23<ayaka>how to restart jackd1 auto
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04:24<ayaka>how to start jackd1 auto
04:24<jm_>trivial to combine that with date arithmetic
04:26<XeonBloomfield>jm_: Probably I will do that
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04:30<jm_>date -d "now - $(cat /proc/uptime | awk '{print $1}') seconds"
04:30<jm_>something like this
04:30<marius_st>I want to install mysql-server but with no passwd in a preseed file! How to do this?
04:32<shanks>jm_: isn't that a UUOC ?
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04:32<jm_>shanks: to be honest I don't give a shit
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04:32<shanks>jm_: now now. no need to swear.
04:33<jm_>granted, it could be avoided, but I find it much easier to say cat foo | bar and play with bar options than doing bar .... foo
04:34<shanks>jm_: it's always easier to read with the cat.
04:35<jm_>shanks: but yes, if I would be writing some script for common use, I would avoid it, just not in cases where I would use it 5 times only or somesuch
04:35<ayaka>The teminal will shcok when I press tab in screen,how to sovle it
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04:36<jm_>ayaka: set vbell to off
04:36<ayaka>msg dpkg vbell
04:37<ayaka>I'm sorry
04:37<jm_>man screen /vbell
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04:37<jm_>alternatively, tell your shell to stop doing it
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04:38<ayaka>another problem session manger with bell once ,how to disable it?
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04:39<jm_>what?
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04:40<ayaka>ayaka, when I login(in fact before it)gdm will bell one time
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04:42<XeonBloomfield>jm_: I did my script based on /proc/uptime ;)
04:43<XeonBloomfield>have a nice day
04:43<ayaka>jm_, , when I login(in fact before it)gdm will bell one time
04:44<jm_>ayaka: try this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=65327
04:45<ayaka>jm_, thank you
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04:49<ayaka>framebuffer don't include in squeeze?
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04:53<gemunu>I'm from sril lanka and I've decided to move from ubuntu to debian.
04:54<afuentes>gemunu, another soul that finds the source
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04:55<afuentes>welcome to your awakening
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04:55<gemunu>thanks. Is it too hard debian?
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04:56<afuentes>well, it depends. How well did u managed yourself in ubuntu?
04:57<afuentes>i gotta say i made this change myself a year ago or so...
04:57<gemunu>I'm using ubuntu for 3 years.
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04:57<XeonBloomfield>gemunu: Do you have not problems using command line?
04:57<afuentes>and at the very least, the bug report are answered with something more than... me too!!
04:57<gemunu>no . I like it very much.
04:58<afuentes>so you at home now. relax
04:58<XeonBloomfield>gemunu: I was using Ubuntu few years ago and aperently moved myself to Debian - I'm so happy that I did that.
04:59<gemunu>unity make me here and I want to be a expert on linux.
04:59<XeonBloomfield>apparently*
04:59<gemunu>I feel that I'm in the right place..
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04:59<XeonBloomfield>gemunu: Yes, you are.
05:00<gemunu>I've gone through http://aboutdebian.com/ and many other websites.
05:00<gemunu>so my problem is this.
05:00<ayaka>in screen can't use shift + ctrl+v,how to
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05:01<XeonBloomfield>gemunu: Debian is a great Linux-based distribution which (what I can truly say) is base for many distros, like Ubuntu or for example smartphone system- MeeGo
05:02<XeonBloomfield>argh
05:02<XeonBloomfield>sorry
05:02<XeonBloomfield>MeeGo is probably based on something else
05:02<shanks>Though you can run Debian on MeeGo devices.. like the N900
05:02<XeonBloomfield>but remember about Linux Mint, etc. (based on Ubuntu, based on Debian)
05:02<thorgrin>it was maemo that was debian based
05:03<gemunu>woow
05:03<shanks>I get confused between maemo and MeeGo. I know one hass now superceeded the other more or less.
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05:04<XeonBloomfield>gemunu: If you know English language and know something "more" about IT, let you do it!
05:04<gemunu>I'm new to this IRC chat
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05:04<gemunu>actually today is the 1st
05:05<shanks>gemunu: welcome
05:05<gemunu>i'm currently running ubuntu11.04 with win-7.
05:06<gemunu>so what is the best way I can install debian.
05:06<shanks>gemunu: Ubuntu is not supported here
05:06<gemunu>yep
05:06<gemunu>ubuntu to debian
05:06<babilen>shanks: Please read the backlog
05:06<XeonBloomfield>shanks: he want to move from Ubuntu to Debian
05:06<shanks>gemunu: you can install it via a VM, if you have space on your hardisk you can dual boot
05:06<jm_>gemunu: read installation manual
05:06<gemunu>dual boot
05:07<babilen>!tell gemunu -about ig
05:08<gemunu>thanks.
05:08<amitz>what is the debian recommended way to install eclipse as an external program? /usr/local/ or /usr/local/bin/ . The installation has a folder named eclipse, which contains everything.
05:09<babilen>amitz: I would unpack it to /usr/local/stow/eclipse and stow it (/msg dpkg stow) -- Squeeze/Wheezy/Sid?
05:10<shanks>babilen: stow looks pretty neat.
05:10<amitz>squeeze but interesting, let me about this stow feature. thanks
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05:10<shanks>is there an apt or aptitude command that will show me what packages I have installed that are not in main (i.e. non-free, contrib etc)
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05:11<babilen>shanks: "aptitude search '~i~snon-free"
05:11<shanks>babilen: thanks :)
05:11<shanks>is there a way to do a negative regex? Like ! main ?
05:11<babilen>err, I missed one ' at the end
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05:12<babilen>shanks: Use, use !
05:12<shanks>babilen: ta.
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05:12<babilen>double-use :) -- See http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html for details
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05:15<shanks>babilen: for me it says redircing to http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html and then times out
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05:16<jm_>shanks: same info in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
05:16<babilen>shanks: Ah, right. Well, the aptitude manual is also in aptitude-doc
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05:16<shanks>jm_, babilen super.
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05:30<gemunu>can anyone tel me where to install GRUB. I have a boot partition and It ask me to tinstall the grub boot loader to the master boot record.
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05:31<jm_>you'll need to use alternate method to boot Debian if you don't let it install in MBR (i.e. configure currently used boot loader to do it)
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05:33<thorgrin>gemunu: are you using ubuntu's grub now?
05:33<gemunu>yes
05:33<jm_>that shall be simple with os-prober
05:33<gemunu>I wanna get rid of ubuntu
05:33<gemunu>comletely
05:34<gemunu>sorry
05:34<gemunu>completely
05:34<thorgrin>so select the disk where ubuntus grub is
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05:35<gemunu>actually I have no idea about it. Is there a way to do it.
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05:35<user>hi
05:35<thorgrin>in short, install it to the master boot record, it will replace current one
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05:36<gemunu>so I have to select yes option. right?
05:37<thorgrin>yes
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05:37<gemunu>thanks men.
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05:37<gemunu>oh one more question.
05:38<tumulte>hi :)
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05:39<afuentes>gemunu, one big advantage of installing debian over ubuntu (at least without alternate installer): lvm
05:39<afuentes>something to look up ;)
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05:39<gemunu>is it the same network manager which I used in ubuntu?
05:39<afuentes>gemunu, the network manager belongs to gnome, so yes
05:40<gemunu>thanks.
05:40<afuentes>i like it more wicd, so thats what i use
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05:40<gemunu>I'm using e220 usb dongle.
05:41<gemunu>is it working with wicd
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05:41<tumulte>I got a weird problem : I've got an azerty keyboard. Most softs take it as it is, but some (blender, inkscape...) are stuck in qwerty
05:41<tumulte>do you have any idea where I should seek the solution?
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05:51<dreamer>wth, trying to install libpurple-dev and apt wants to install 109 packages o.O
05:51<dreamer>all kinds of idiotic stuff like dosfstools, gstreamer, linux-sound-base, ntfs-3g
05:51<dreamer>this is insane
05:52<dreamer>http://pastebin.com/EKTPMB5n
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05:54<afuentes>tumulte, ASAIK the layout should be taken care of by the windows system :S
05:55<afuentes>try messing with the keybs layout configuration, but no idea
05:55<afuentes>other than that
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06:06<g3munu>Im strucked here
06:06<g3munu>Installind debian.
06:08<g3munu>can any one tel me where to install GRUB
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06:10<babilen>g3munu: You typically want to install it to the MBR
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06:54<d33p3ddy>hi folks, is there someone who can help me with hardware issue?
06:55<amitz>d33p3ddy: don't ask to ask, just ask, as long as the hardware is running debian.
06:56<d33p3ddy>i've got 2 soundcards in my sony vaio laptop - ati's one and soundblaster
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06:56<d33p3ddy>debian sees only ati. how can i make soundblaster primary?
06:57<jm_>what does 'cat /proc/asound/cards" show? careful, don't paste here, use a pastebin
06:58<d33p3ddy>must check.
06:58<d33p3ddy>and does alps touchpad supported in debian?
07:00<d33p3ddy>/proc/bus/input/devices doesn't show anything
07:00<jm_>apparently ALPS works OK
07:00<jm_>try using xserver-xorg-input-synaptics driver
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07:01<d33p3ddy>thnx 4 help
07:02<jm_>it has this file /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.alps
07:02<d33p3ddy>ok. will check it
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07:08<idealist>hello dear ladies and gents. does anyone of you know where I can find the web interface of redmine?
07:08<idealist>I've deleted the inteface from /var/www/redmine
07:08<idealist>how can I restore it? (I don't have backups)
07:09<idealist>I tried removing redmine and reinstallign it
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07:20<devil>ever heard of chili, a fork of redmine? i know it dont solve your problem....
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08:15<brantwu>hi
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08:25<techmaniack>getting this error while upgrading >> http://paste.debian.net/144777/
08:26<techmaniack>SID 3.0.0-1-686
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08:29<aigarius>techmaniack, something is seriously wrong in your /var/lib/dpkg/info folder. libcpufreq0.list should be a file there
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08:32<aigarius>techmaniack, http://exain.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/failed-in-buffer_readfd-on-ubuntu/ this should help
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08:33<techmaniack>aigarius: my debian partiton crashed a few days back and i had to boot into Fedora and do a fsck on the debian partiton and hece the error :(
08:34<babilen>restore from backups
08:35<aigarius>techmaniack, and if you don't have them, once you get the apt-get running again, there were ways to redownload and reinstall all installed packages to repair any other corruption (except in config files)
08:36<aigarius>techmaniack, the easiest for me is to use synaptic, get it to show all installed packages, select them all and choose reinstall :)
08:37<babilen>.. that would be "aptitude reinstall ~i"
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08:38<aigarius>babilen, cool, I knew there must be an easier way, but never needed to actually find it
08:40<babilen>aigarius: ~i matches all installed packages
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08:56<sumpter>how do i change ownership of a folder?
08:56<sumpter>the /usr folder is set to root ownership
08:56<devil>its supposed to be
08:56<thorgrin>sumpter: chown user:group folder
08:57<sumpter>yeah i know its supposed to but i need to change it
08:57<thorgrin>but that one is ok
08:57<babilen>why?
08:57<devil>sumpter: you dont want to change it
08:57<sumpter>okay
08:57<sumpter>well what about the home folder?
08:57<devil>like thorgrin said
08:57<babilen>What are you trying to do/achieve?
08:57<sumpter>i need to install something and it can't install to folders i don't own
08:57<sumpter>install neverwinter nights
08:58<devil>you install with root rights anyways
08:58<sumpter>how?
08:58<sumpter>its a install script
08:58<devil>depends on the software
08:58<devil>well, then run it
08:59<devil> ./foo or whatever
08:59<babilen>sumpter: Install it to ~/stow/nwn/ and use stow to create suitable symlinks in your home, adjust PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, MANPATH (i.a.) accordingly
08:59<babilen>sumpter: You don't have root on that machine?
08:59<sumpter>I have root
08:59<sumpter>how do i install to stow?
09:00<babilen>!tell sumpter -about stow
09:00<babilen>!tell sumpter -about stow usage
09:00<sumpter>-en Enter the install directory. (/usr/local/games/nwn): /usr/local/games/ [: 64: 0: unexpected operator -e Possible write error -e Please try a different folder or change permissions on /usr/local/games/
09:00<sumpter>thats what it says
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09:01<babilen>sumpter: I have no idea how nwn is installed, but you most likely have to choose an installation path. Make that something like /usr/local/stow/nwn-VERSION, then "cd /usr/local/stow ; stow nwn-VERSION" and you are done.
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09:02<babilen>I guess it is expecting to be executed by bash but uses "#!/bin/sh" which is dash on your system. Run "bash ./the_install_script"
09:02<sumpter>ill try that
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09:03<babilen>You also don't have to use stow .. It is just that I find it preferrable as it makes it easy to remove manually installed software.
09:04<sumpter>it runs via bash, but i still cant use the directory
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09:04<sumpter>im downloading stow now
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09:06<sumpter>@babilen so what is the stow usage?
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09:08<amitz>it basically makes you able to make one directory to share multiple installation. but ignore it for now, it doesn't help you do things you want to do atm.
09:08<amitz>installation of different applications.
09:08<sumpter>ah
09:08<sumpter>is there any dir i can install to?
09:09<sumpter>the script won't use root permissions
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09:10<sumpter>is it possible to make the /usr dir read/write?
09:10<amitz>sumpter: are you using debian?
09:10<sumpter>yes
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09:11<sumpter>um now i cant access /usr
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09:11<sumpter>i put in chmod /usr -rw in the terminal and now i cant open /usr
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09:12<sumpter>@amitz yes
09:12<sumpter>@amitz i put in chmod /usr -rw in the terminal and now i cant open /usr
09:12<babilen>sumpter: Why did you do that? What happened when you run the installation script with bash? (still as root!)
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09:13<sumpter>@babilen it said the same thing as before, that i needed to find a different folder or change permissions
09:13<babilen>sumpter: /usr should be drwxr-xr-x
09:13<devil>sumpter: why do you think i told you NOT to change ownership of /usr?
09:13<sumpter>i didn't know, sorry
09:13<babilen>sumpter: How exactly are you running the installer? Could you show us the complete output on http://paste.debian.net ?
09:14<babilen>sumpter: And please make sure you revert your changes to /usr
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09:14<sumpter>how do i fix it?
09:15<Pryon>man chmod
09:15<_Tarcz_>chmod u+rwx,go+rx,go-w /usr
09:16<babilen>sumpter: What did you do? If you just ran "chmod -rw /usr" then undo that with "chmod +rw /usr"
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09:16<sumpter>http://paste.debian.net/144803/
09:16<babilen>sumpter: You can also just run "chmod 755 /usr"
09:17<babilen>sumpter: You are not executing that script as root
09:17<sumpter>thanks that fixed the /usr
09:17<sumpter>i ran it with bash
09:17<babilen>sumpter: Run it as root/with sudo
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09:18<sumpter>it says im not in the sudoers file
09:18<sumpter>but im the only account on the computer
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09:19<thorgrin>then run it as root
09:19<devil>sumpter: sudo needs to be set up in debian
09:20<devil>sumpter: debian has, contrary to ubuntu, a real root, accessible by su or sux
09:20<devil>so sudo is not needed in debian to become root
09:20<sumpter>http://paste.debian.net/144805/
09:20<amitz>sumpter: you must have run su before doing chmod /usr -rw before. Hence you must run su before doing "chmod 755 /usr"
09:20<devil>su or sux will do
09:20<sumpter>thats what i did this time
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09:21<sumpter>the link shows i did put in su and sudo both
09:21<devil>sumpter: just forget sudo for now.
09:22<sumpter>okay
09:22<sumpter>i really hope you guys can help me out. This is my favorite rpg of all time
09:23<devil>rpg?
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09:23<thorgrin>role playing game
09:23<devil>oh, sorry, never touched a computer game
09:23<sumpter>lol
09:23<devil>is that funny?
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09:24<sumpter>kinda. just how you said it. like its a drug or something. almost like: "never touched the stuff"
09:24<shanks>sumpter: it is a drug
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09:24<babilen>sumpter: So, become root with "su -" and execute the script. Is that working?
09:25<devil>sumpter: i just dont have time for it
09:25<shanks>devil: no need anyway. life's a game
09:25<devil>shanks: and has priority
09:25<sumpter>@babilen so should i use bash or sh to execute?
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09:26<sumpter>im root right now
09:26<andrea>sumpter (babilen and devil): I would just create /usr/local/lib/nwn, 'chmod sumpter /usr/local/lib/nwn' and then install nwn in that directory... Could that be more simple?
09:26<babilen>sumpter: bash (the installation script is buggy so you have to use bash explicitly)
09:26<babilen>andrea: Take a look at stow, it is the right tool for the task.
09:27<devil>andrea: if the game has a install script, it hopefully has a uninstall script. if so, that is to prefer
09:27*andrea now shuts up - three guys for installing a game on Debian is more than enough :)
09:27<babilen>But orthogonal to sumpter's issues right now
09:27<shanks>devil: renice?
09:27<andrea>babilen: you are right but I am thinking of a simple way to let sumpter understand what he is doing
09:28<andrea>babilen: then he will learn also stow, some day
09:28<sumpter>i can't chmod sumpter
09:28<andrea>devil: of course, I mean with the install script
09:28<sumpter>it says invalid mode "sumpter"
09:28<babilen>sumpter: What do you mean exactly? What are you trying to do now?
09:28<thorgrin>sumpter: its 'chown sumpter'
09:28<babilen>sumpter: Did you install the game?
09:28<andrea>sorry, I wanted to write CHOWN, not chmod
09:28<andrea>sorry
09:29<sumpter>its still telling me the same thing
09:29<andrea>assuming the username is 'sumpter' in your machine
09:29<sumpter>i tried the install on ubuntu and it wouldn't detect the optical drive, so i tried debian
09:29<babilen>sumpter: So, you became root (with "su -"), executed the installer script and installed to the default location already?
09:30<sumpter>plus i was getting tired of using sudo to execute root commands
09:30<sumpter>no i can't select a install location
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09:30<sumpter>thats what i've been trying to do
09:31<babilen>sumpter: You become root with "su -", then run the installation script with "bash /path/to/install-nwn.sh", accept the default paths and you are done. What is the problem you are facing now?
09:31<sumpter>it keeps saying possible write error
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09:31<sumpter>i can't accept the default paths
09:31<sumpter>there are none, i have to manually put in paths
09:32<sumpter>its a terminal installer, not a installshield type installer
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09:32<babilen>And you are not sure where to install the game?
09:32<sumpter>it suggests usings /usr/local/games/nwn but that says the same thing as everything else
09:32<sumpter>i know where i want to install it
09:33<sumpter>but it won't let me
09:33<devil>did you already paste the complete error?
09:34<sumpter>i would like to install to /home/sumpter/games/nwn
09:34<sumpter>@devil yes
09:34<babilen>sumpter: Ok, please do the following: "su -", "mkdir -p /usr/local/stow/nwn", "bash /path/to/install-nwn.sh", use "/usr/local/stow/nwn" as installation path, "cd /usr/local/stow", "stow nwn" DONE
09:35<babilen>sumpter: If you don't want to use stow use: "su -", "mkdir -p /usr/local/games/nwn", "bash /path/to/install-nwn.sh", use /usr/local/games/nwn" as installation path DONE (don't think that it will be on the PATH in that case though)
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09:36<EmleyMoor>How do I get icedove to poll my mail folders automatically?
09:36<babilen>The thir option (stow + games) would be "su -", "mkdir -p /usr/local/games/stow/nwn", "bash /path/to/install-nwn.sh", use "/usr/local/games/stow/nwn" as installation path, "cd /usr/local/games/stow", "stow nwn" DONE
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09:37<babilen>pick your poison -- If you run into problem, show use all your commands and the complete output on http://paste.debian.net
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09:37<sumpter>@cd
09:37<sumpter>whoops sorry
09:38<sumpter>its not working
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09:38<sumpter>i've got to go too. ill be back on later around 3pm EST
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10:08<CaperucitaRoja>someone knows why the options set in /etc/modprobe.d are not recongnized when at startup?
10:09<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: How do you set them in there?
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10:11<CaperucitaRoja>it's an add, there for a TVcard
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10:11<CaperucitaRoja>i can use it, but loading de modules by command line
10:12<CaperucitaRoja>or in de rc.local unloading and loading again whith de right options
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10:12<CaperucitaRoja>babilen
10:13<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: So you created a file, say, /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf in which you specify the options and it is not working? Please show me the exact filename and its content. How do you determine that it is not working?
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10:16<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: /etc/modprobe.d/saa7134.conf CONTENT: options saa7134 card=121 tuner=43 - When i start the machine i can't view tv, after reload i can... it could be something else i supouse
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10:18<CaperucitaRoja>already check the spell... i have some problem, i admit it
10:20<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: That looks fine -- And it works if you reload the module? (i.e. after executing "modprobe -r saa7134 ; modprobe saa7134" ?)
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10:21<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: no, doesn't work either.... like this: modprobe -r saa7134 && modprobe -r tuner && modprobe saa7134 card=121 tuner=43
10:21<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: What does "ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/" give you?
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10:22<CaperucitaRoja>i got a nvidia video card and have some options set there working perfect...
10:22<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: So you have to remove the tuner module as well? I have to confess that this is an area in which I don't have much experience. Is the tuner module loaded after you run that command?
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10:23<rebli>is there an image of debian with most of desktop managers (gnome3, kde, xfce, lxde) so I can try them?
10:24<steph7>hi, wireless tools are disappeared someone can help me?
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10:24<EmleyMoor>How do I make icedove poll my mail folders automatically?
10:24<CaperucitaRoja>rebli: yes, but is recomend stick in one lib, for memory
10:24<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: yes, the cards
10:24<CaperucitaRoja>sorry
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10:26<shanks>EmleyMoor: Account Settings, Server Settings. Set the poll interval
10:26<babilen>Bachue: Is the "tuner" module loaded after you run " modprobe -r saa7134 && modprobe -r tuner && modprobe saa7134 card=121 tuner=43" ?
10:26<shanks>Check for New message very X minutes.
10:26<steph7>:-(
10:26<EmleyMoor>shanks: And if it doesn't? (which it doesn't!)
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10:27<EmleyMoor>Actually, it may be working now
10:27<shanks>EmleyMoor: Do you get new mail when you click on Get Mail ?
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10:28<EmleyMoor>I'm sorry, it's too busy to tell right now... but no, I didn't before.
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10:29<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: sorry, the message above was meant for you
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10:30<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: yes, this cards have to components, one is the tuner, the other the chipset... ¿procesor?, so you have to search for the right "tuner" and "card option", some cards are recognized by the sistem, mine not... so the sistem load something like a "dumy", by defect... modprobe.d should resolve that, i think... it sims i'm wrong
10:30<EmleyMoor>If it could work with a local maildir, that would be fun...
10:31<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: Is the "tuner" module loaded after you run that command?
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10:31<CaperucitaRoja>yes
10:32<Pirulays>Hello people
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10:32<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: yes
10:32<shanks>EmleyMoor: Thunderbrid is primarily designed for Windows, I believe. But yes, if it could be set to use a locally running SMTP and also local mail spool that would be great. Maybe there's a plugin ? Sounds useful for people on Linux.
10:32<Pirulays>i have a question about cms made simple smarties and UDT
10:32<Pirulays>how i can set a var to use on my UDT ?
10:32<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: Ok, I guess that the tuner module is loaded and does something wrong. You could try to blacklist it and see if that helps. Also: Does it work if you omit the options from your command?
10:32<Pirulays>like news post date set a var and use php for create my string ?
10:33*EmleyMoor is running imap as horde needs it - but looking for a "proper" mail program... giving icedove a try anyway
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10:34<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: i need to use that module... blacklist it? modprobe saa7134, doesn't recongnize the options in the modprobe.d/saa.conf
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10:38<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: I was referring to blacklisting tuner .. Another approach would be to set suitable options for tuner as well
10:38*EmleyMoor just clicked "Get Mail" - four folders definitely have new mail - but nothing happened
10:39<shanks>EmleyMoor: are you able to see OLD mail ?
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10:39<EmleyMoor>shanks: I am able to see old *and* new mail if I go to the folder.
10:39<shanks>EmleyMoor: oh right. IMAP ?
10:40<EmleyMoor>Yes
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10:41<shanks>EmleyMoor: Thought so. It does that. Annoying isn't it? You have to click on all the subfolders to get them to refresh. You can try going into Advanced settings on the Server Settings tab and select 'Server supports IMAP subfolders"
10:42<shanks>but YMMV.
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10:43<EmleyMoor>MMDWDV!
10:43<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: i'm pretty shure, doesn't work like that, but i will try... thanks.
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10:43<EmleyMoor>icedove is not good (!)
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10:44<shanks>EmleyMoor: It's a pile of crap. You're better of using a proper mail user agent like mutt, but then it doesn't look pretty and doesn't come with calendars :)
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10:44<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: this card are a really kick in the face, till i shot to the config i get a litle crazy, i was hopping find someone with the same problem... thanks again :)
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10:45<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: Good luck :-/
10:45<EmleyMoor>shanks: I'm better off with horde - know any way to make mailto: links work with it?
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10:45<kop>I'm sick of balsa, and thinking to switching to claws. But have other painful things to do first.
10:45<shanks>EmleyMoor: I've never used it. Sorry.
10:45<kop>EmleyMoor: Ask google?
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10:47<EmleyMoor>Doesn't look hopeful :-(
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10:48<EmleyMoor>Is there any good and modern mail program for use with imap?
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10:49<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Dozens.
10:51<petemc>dozens of good mail clients? i think not
10:51<cmr>EmleyMoor: Define modern
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10:52<babilen>EmleyMoor: mutt?
10:52*babilen hides
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10:52<cmr>I'm a fan of sup.
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10:53<jhutchins_lt>I like pine, packaged for debian as alpine.
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10:54<EmleyMoor>mutt and pine are "old fashioned"
10:54<EmleyMoor>(mutt is good, I have to say)
10:55<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: sorry. Problem solved. It was a major problem in my brain.
10:55<shanks>EmleyMoor: you mean command line. mutt is an icredibily well designed and capable email client.
10:55<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: Please elaborate
10:55<shanks>EmleyMoor: let me see if there's a way around the sync'ing of IMAP sub-folders..
10:56<EmleyMoor>shanks: Command line has its place... and mutt is my choice when I need it
10:56<shanks>EmleyMoor: Sure. That's why we have choice :)
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10:56<shanks>I usee Thunderbird but only because I need all the crappy extensions needed to be able to do my job at work. And then it makes it easier to use the same thing at home. but it is utter crap
10:57<shanks>But then they all are :)
10:57<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: there was no problem, it was a spell problem, i check again and i note it. sorry for make you loss the time, i felt the need of apologies
10:57*EmleyMoor is glad he's not the only one that thinks icedove is a poor show
10:58<shanks>EmleyMoor: On Windows there's not much competiton and so it probably wins. On Debian you've a whole world of great email programs to use, but sadly all the best ones are still comamnd line. All these do-it-all mail clients are just bloat.
10:58<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: I don't see the spelling problem. Are you sure that you showed me the original content?
10:58<shanks>EmleyMoor: anyway let me have a quick dig and see if there's a simple solution :) hang on
10:58<babilen>CaperucitaRoja: Or am I blind?
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10:59<EmleyMoor>If mailto: links could be made to work and it could handle inline html, horde/imp would suit me perfectly. As it is, it's OK in all other respects
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10:59<shanks>EmleyMoor: I'm sure there's a way to set up some kind of handler for that but I don't know how.
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11:00<shanks>EmleyMoor: I did something similar in GNOME to get magnet links working
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11:01<shanks>EmleyMoor: OK... you need to set mail.check_all_imap_folders_for_new true
11:01<shanks>(nice hidden setting)
11:01<EmleyMoor>How do I make a hidden setting?
11:01<CaperucitaRoja>babilen: yes, but i put wrong the numbers, it will never work, the options were token, but the options were wrong... you can call me idiot, lo merezco... now modprobe saa7134 cautch the options also, but the options ar rigth, go for reboot to clean all doubt, bye bye...
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11:01<shanks>EmleyMoor: what version of Icedove ?
11:02<EmleyMoor>3.0.11
11:02<CaperucitaRoja>¡jaaaa!
11:02<shanks>EmleyMoor: OK.. go here : http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:thunderbird#showing_new_mail_in_imap_subfolders
11:02<CaperucitaRoja>things that happends
11:03<CaperucitaRoja>thank you again
11:03<shanks>EmleyMoor: it tells you how. basically you edit the user.js file (which is just a file containing user side Javascript)
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11:05<EmleyMoor>:-)
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11:06<shanks>EmleyMoor: success ?
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11:06<EmleyMoor>Looks like it
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11:06<shanks>yee har.
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11:10<EmleyMoor>We'll see what it's like in 10 minutes...
11:10<shanks>EmleyMoor: probably using 800MB RAM
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11:18<EmleyMoor>Well, now I'm impressed...
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11:20<EmleyMoor>I've actually been looking for a reasonable integrated mail and news program since 1995!
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11:21<shanks>EmleyMoor: you not seen Gnus then ?
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11:21<EmleyMoor>shanks: No
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11:21<EmleyMoor>(and, as it happens, in 1995 I was still primarily using MS-DOS!)
11:22<shanks>EmleyMoor: Well. Enjoy. You're bound to find other braindead things Icedove does but enjoy the honeymoon :)
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11:51<iOSS>how do i convert from seconds since epoch to something usable by "date -d STRING"?
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11:52<mgelman>I customized debian cd buy having it run some scripts from the preseed file...specifically using apt-get...is it possible to show the progress bar of that apt-get on the main installer ui
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11:52<cmr>iOSS: See the man page for date.
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11:53<mgelman>debconf-progress doesn't show up when I use it from my script
11:54<iOSS>cmr: i just finished reading and i found nothing
11:54<cmr>iOSS: They show how under 'examples'
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11:55<iOSS>cmr: oh you mean the info page
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11:55<cmr>iOSS: No, I mean the man page.
11:55<cmr>The info page simply explains why the example in the man page works.
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11:56<iOSS>cmr: thanks :)
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12:00<mgelman>is it possible to pipe apt-get progress running a late command from preseed?
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12:02<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... tvtime won't work on nouveau...
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12:05<EmleyMoor>Is hardware YUY2 overlay support available in nouveau?
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12:33<IceUx>Guten Abend
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12:35<IceUx>jemand da, der mir bei der Einrichtung eines Oki-Nadeldruckers helfen kann???
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12:36<retro|blah>!de
12:36<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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12:38<babilen>Oki-Nadeldrucker? Heh, the 80s are calling :)
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12:39<ompaul>they want their 10base T back
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12:47<EmleyMoor>Is hardware YUY2 overlay support available in nouveau? tvtime needs it - any other TV viewers that are good and safe as alternatives?
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12:49<Bushmills>EmleyMoor: i used zapping and xawtv when i still had a tv card in my box
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12:51<EmleyMoor>I am using xawtv now - getting lots of "whole desktop" flicker, and had it cause crashes in the past
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12:52<Bushmills>EmleyMoor: you can also use mplayer as tv viewer, but that's less comfortable than a dedicated tv viewing app
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12:54<EmleyMoor>mplayer might do - how do I use it to do that?
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12:55<Bushmills>something like tv:// -tv driver=v4l2 on the command line or config file
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12:55<Bushmills>consult man page for details, i'm citing from memory, potentially incorrect
12:56<EmleyMoor>tv:///1 with thad driver gives me a window. I'd like to be able to blow it up to full screen, which tvtime did so well... but this will do for now
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12:57<EmleyMoor>that, even
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12:59<EmleyMoor>tvtime was just great, so if hardare YUY2 overlay can be done with nouveau, that would be good...
12:59<EmleyMoor>hardwar.e
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13:09<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Hit f
13:11<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: That gives me a small picture in the middle of an otherwise blank screen
13:12<EmleyMoor>This is not the only thing nouveau doesn't like...
13:12<jhutchins_lt>Hm. Perhaps there's a way to tell mplayer to scale it differently.
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Is this a tuner you're working with or a camera/
13:13<jhutchins_lt>?
13:13<EmleyMoor>A tuner - only actually using composite as the signals the tuner works with are going off in April
13:14<Bushmills>there is. -zoom -fs
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13:14<Bushmills>you may have to change to another video output with -vo
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13:14<EmleyMoor>Is there a key for zoom?
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13:23<abhishek>can anyone direct em to a channel where i can learn about beginning development for ubuntu or linux in general
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13:25<EmleyMoor>The -zoom switch helps
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13:26<jhutchins_lt>!ubuntu
13:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:27<abhishek>thanks
13:28<jhutchins_lt>abhishek: Google's probably a good first step.
13:28<abhishek>what do u think are the pre-requisites?
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13:29<iOSS>it seems the most convenient approach is to use a perl one-liner that replaces epoch time with $(date +%T) but i don't know perl
13:29<iOSS>could you help?
13:29<abhishek>I know C and php, but I don't know qhat level of knowledge is required to be a developer
13:29<iOSS>cat <file> | perl -pe 's///'
13:30<iOSS>something like that
13:30<iOSS>sorry
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13:32<JoeKickass>iOSS: date -d@1321036354 +%T
13:32<iOSS>i don't know how perl places MATCHED_STRING in cat <file> | perl -pe "s/\b\d{10}\b/$(date -d '@$MATCHED_STRING')/Eg"
13:33<iOSS>JoeKickass: yeah, but it's more like a perl question
13:33<JoeKickass>hm I see
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13:34<iOSS>JoeKickass: i don't know how to refer to MATCHED_STRING
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13:34<JoeKickass>well you can't put bash $( in there like you have
13:34<jhutchins_lt>JoeKickass: What's probably best is to start going through bug reports and reading related code. If you can start supplying successful patches to fix existing code that's the first step toward developing your own.
13:34<JoeKickass>you'd need to use pure perl
13:34<jhutchins_lt>JoeKickass: Look for projects that are looking for help.
13:34<iOSS>JoeKickass: i think it's safe because i used " and this lets bash kick in first
13:34<JoeKickass>jhutchins_lt: you have the wrong guy
13:35<jhutchins_lt>JoeKickass: Look for idiots who trust tab complete too much.
13:35<jhutchins_lt>abhishek: Um, that was meant for you.
13:35<JoeKickass>:P
13:35<JoeKickass>heh that's not even close
13:35<jhutchins_lt>abhishek: You could also install Debian and join #debian-mentors
13:36<iOSS>uh i think you're right that it's more complicated than i'd thought
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13:37<iOSS>i still can't get bash to use date inside the perl regex (obviously)
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13:38<JoeKickass>exactly
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13:39<JoeKickass>the " quotes will let bash evaluate the $( but it will happen at the wrong time, at the start, not for every line in the perl
13:39<iOSS>yeah, that's all clear to me now
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13:42<EmleyMoor>The only thing I don't like about using mplayer for TV is the interlace-related effect.
13:42<iOSS>is there any way in bash to parse a file line by line
13:42<iOSS>?
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13:44<JoeKickass>iOSS: while read line; do ..... echo $line ; done < yourfile.txt
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13:44<iOSS>thanks
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13:45<JoeKickass>iOSS: you can use awk and the strftime function
13:45<iOSS>that would mean learning too much for today :)
13:46<iOSS>i'll try to use plain sed and read line
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13:47<thorgrin>iOSS: might be a bit easier with awk
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13:47<JoeKickass>if you ONLY want the formatted date in the output it'd be much easier, but I think you want it replaced
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13:48<JoeKickass>iOSS: can we see one example line of the input file?
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13:49<iOSS>"1321037358 and some more text"
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13:52<Bushmills>while read arg1 restofline; do "do something with $arg1, then print along with $restofline"; done < file
13:52<JoeKickass>awk '{$1=strftime("%T",$1); print}' yourfile.txt
13:52<JoeKickass>I'm guessing %T is valid for that function
13:53<iOSS>$1 means first word in line?
13:53<JoeKickass>yes
13:53<iOSS>and does it replace them in-place?
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13:53<JoeKickass>the way I have typed it, yes
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13:53<iOSS>i mean does process the file in-place
13:53<iOSS>it*
13:53<JoeKickass>no. it will output to the term
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13:54<JoeKickass>awk '{$1=strftime("%T",$1); print}' yourfile.txt > newfile.txt
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13:54<iOSS>yes,
13:54<iOSS>thanks a lot
13:54<JoeKickass>does it work?
13:54<iOSS>trying now
13:55<iOSS>it works perfectly
13:55<iOSS>does it use my timezone?
13:55<iOSS>let me check that too :)
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13:56<JoeKickass>great
13:56<JoeKickass>yes it should
13:56<iOSS>just curious, would awk support running bash code too?
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13:57<thorgrin>yes, with system() command
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13:58<iOSS>thank you guys
13:58<iOSS>it saved me a lot of time
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13:59<JoeKickass>that'll be $120
14:00<iOSS>;)
14:00<JoeKickass>iOSS: just joking, this isn't Windows!
14:00<iOSS>GNW :P
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14:00<iOSS>(gnw's not windows)
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14:23<sumpter>hey is anyone on from earlier?
14:23<sumpter>who was helping me with my Neverwinter nights install?
14:24<francesco>Hello there, I need some help: after an unexpected reboot, I'm stuck at the Gnome 3 login screen. I succesfully log in but the screen goes black then the login screen appears again.
14:24<tale>sumpter: Look at topic, it shows where channel logs are.
14:24<tale>francesco: Press control-Alt-F1, log in to console, see logs in /var/log directory.
14:25<sumpter>I know who was helping, and it says they're on, but im not sure if they are on and just logged in, or actually looking at irc
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14:25<devil>sumpter: îs it working?
14:25-!-stevecotton [~stevecott@host109-155-61-73.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
14:25<babilen>sumpter: Just ask :)
14:25<ml|>francesco: wheezy/sid: #debian-next
14:25<sumpter>@devil; @babilen still no go
14:25<francesco>I suspected that :P sorry
14:25<devil>sumpter: why?
14:26<sumpter>@devil I still can't choose a directory
14:26<tale>sumpter: Use command /wii nickname or something similar in your irc client.
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14:26<devil>sumpter: error message please
14:26<sumpter>@tale for what?
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14:26<sumpter>let me run it again to get it
14:26<babilen>sumpter: Please paste *all* your commands + output to http://paste.debian.net
14:26<tale>sumpter: To see if those nicks are idle and when they logged in.
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14:26<tale>sumpter: Those things you claimed you wanted to know.
14:28<sumpter>@tale thanks
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14:28<sumpter>@babilen; @devil http://paste.debian.net/144888/
14:28<sumpter>@babilen; @devil error is at the last attempted command
14:28<jhutchins_lt>sumpter: No need for the @ in IRC.
14:28<iOSS>JoeKickass: i still can't figure out what to use instead of $1 if i want to refer to the string i want to replace by regex (e.g. /[0-9]{10}/) rather than position in line (e.g. $1): for instance, awk '{/[0-9]{10}/=strftime("%T",$1); print}' file (but it isn't working)
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14:29<devil>sumpter: ls: cannot access /root/English_linuxclient167_xp2.tar.gz: No such file or directory
14:29<sumpter>jhutchins_lt thanks i didn't know
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14:29<artag>can anyone give me some help with icedove / thunderbird ?
14:30<sumpter>devil it finds it later
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14:30<devil>sumpter: yeah, just seen. does /nwn excist?
14:31<devil>artag: just aks
14:31<babilen>sumpter: Does /usr/local/games exist? What about /usr/local/games/nwm? What are the permissions in question? Could you paste the install script as well? Why are you not calling Blizzard support? ;)
14:31<devil>ask
14:31<JoeKickass>iOSS: you need to tokenize the input and use $1=str...
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14:31<JoeKickass>iOSS: you can use a different separater than spaces
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14:32<iOSS>JoeKickass: oh, so awk doesn't support regexes?
14:32<JoeKickass>it probably does but I'm no expert - you should ask in #awk over on freenode
14:32<thorgrin>iOSS: http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~oostr102/docs/nawk/nawk_92.html
14:33<babilen>And I still have the impression that the scripts are buggy (in that they call other scripts that expect bash)
14:33<artag>cheers. I'm on squeeze, with icedove 3.0.11. I tend to keep it in 'view as text' mode, because flashy coloured email irritates me. But I've started getting stuff that doesn't display at all in that mode. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_%28Thunderbird%29#Displaying_messages implies that it should always show something.
14:33<thorgrin>ioSS: this is to manipulate strings that you've matched
14:33<iOSS>thorgrin: great, thank you
14:34<sumpter>devil; babilen the directories exist, the game was made in 2004 i doubt i can get support
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14:34<thorgrin>iOSS: you might be interested i gsub function
14:34<babilen>sumpter: Ok, lets try another thing. I think it just boils down to their buggy scripts (they expect /bin/sh to be bash) -- Could you run "dpkg-reconfigure dash" and answer "No" to the question if you want to use it as system default shell?
14:34<thorgrin>iOSS: i mean sub and/or gsub, of course
14:34<babilen>sumpter: Or lets fix those scripts if you can edit them :-/
14:35<sumpter>babilen I'm running dash?
14:35<sumpter>babilen i thought debian already used bash
14:35<babilen>sumpter: That is: Replace "#!/bin/sh" with "#!/bin/bash"
14:35<sumpter>babilen if so that is most likely my problem
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14:36<babilen>sumpter: Debian uses dash as default for /bin/sh since squeeze
14:36<babilen>!tell sumpter -about dash
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14:36<sumpter>babilen i think you just solved my problem. I had to do this before when I installed, i just assumed debian already used bash. Thank you
14:36<german>hi
14:36<german>synaptic get hanged
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14:36<iOSS>thorgrin: wow, but awk is pretty full-featured. why doesn't it obsolete sed?
14:36<devil>german: is there error messages?
14:36<babilen>sumpter: Make sure to switch it back to dash (faster boot and so on)
14:37<german>how could i kill it without restarting?
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14:37<german>just hanged
14:37<sumpter>babilen i will
14:37<german>im tring to learn linux but this is reaaaally rare
14:37<devil>german: that is a good reason against synaptic and for apt in a terminal
14:37<babilen>sumpter: So, it is installing fine now? I had hoped that executing the script with "bash the_script.sh" would suffice, but apperently it calls other scripts.
14:38<devil>german: you can kill dpkg, but its not really recommendable
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14:38<Bushmills>iOSS: because every tool, while there may be functional overlap with others, may be preferable over the others for specific applications
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14:39<Bushmills>others wondered why perl hasn't obsoleted awk
14:39<german>i cant find synaptic process
14:39<sumpter>babilen it is going farther now, no crashes yet
14:39<german>maybe because it running in root mode
14:39<babilen>sumpter: great .. buggy scripts then.
14:39<thorgrin>iOSS: awk is more like a programming language, sed is not. each has different uses...
14:39<devil>german: i told you the process
14:39<german>oh
14:39<german>let me see, sorry
14:40<devil>german: synaptic is just a gui
14:40<iOSS>thorgrin: do you mean it uses too much memory?
14:40<german>how do i find process id
14:40<sumpter>babilen im having an issue with the cd reading though
14:40<iOSS>Bushmills: can you give me an example of thing that sed does and awk doesn't?
14:40<german>kill dpkg doest work..
14:40<thorgrin>i would not worry about it. but sed is often easier to use in scripts
14:41<babilen>sumpter: Please elaborate, but note that we can not fix scratched installation media via IRC.
14:41<thorgrin>iOSS: there is no such example, sed is turing complete (afaik)
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14:41<sumpter>babilen lol i know that. its saying it can't find some file on the cd
14:41<iOSS>thorgrin: did you mean awk?
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14:42<babilen>thorgrin: We are proud to announce the first release of "awkward" - The first WM written in awk:)
14:42<iOSS>thorgrin: then i really meant an example of something that sed makes more easier
14:42<thorgrin>babilen: ;D
14:42<devil>german: pidof dpkg
14:42<scraze>babilen: I'm in.
14:42<sumpter>babilen i think i know the issue
14:42<iOSS>much*
14:43<Bushmills>iOSS: invalid question. any turing complete language can do anything you can do with any other.
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14:43<sumpter>babilen it wants some file called "disk2.zip" while the actual file on the disk is "disk2.bzf"
14:43<thorgrin>iOSS: i really do not use sed, but some simple find/replace things should be easier
14:43<babilen>sumpter: *shrug*
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14:44<sumpter>babilen is there a way to modify the script to look for the .bzf file instead of the .zip file?
14:44<Bushmills>so that's a bit like asking "is there anything sed can do what P'' can't' :D
14:44<iOSS>Bushmills: but sed is not
14:44<Bushmills>awk is
14:44<iOSS>or is it?
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14:45<babilen>sumpter: If you think that will fix it → edit the script(s), search for "disk2.zip" and replace it with "disk2.bzf" -- I am sure that thorgrin loves to come up with a "sed -i" command for that ;)
14:45<thorgrin>;-)
14:46*thorgrin pretends he is not here
14:46<sumpter>babilen how would i do that?
14:47<german>wow it doesnt work either
14:47<babilen>sumpter: Open the scripts in an editor, replace the strings in question, save ... But seriously: We moved far beyond Debian support right now.
14:47<german>no output from that command
14:47<devil>german: killall -9 dpkg
14:47<steinex>devil: damn, stop to suggest crap
14:47<sumpter>babilen yeah sorry about that, i didn't mean to make you do more stuff
14:48<german>dpkg: no process found
14:48<dpkg>wish i knew, german
14:48<devil>steinex: i told him up front, i cant recommend killing dpkg
14:48<sumpter>babilen what is a good script editor
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14:48<jhutchins_lt>german: kill wants the PID of the process, not the name. Not sure about killall.
14:48<steinex>devil: if pidof doesn't say anything, dpkg is not running anyway.
14:48<jhutchins_lt>german: pkill <process name> may work, and you can also specify a kill level.
14:48<babilen>sumpter: It's ok, just saying. Unfortunately I don't think that a #neverwinter-nights channel exist -- You can use *any* editor to edit scripts as they are just plain text files.
14:48<devil>steinex: i must have missed pidof not saying anything
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14:49<jhutchins_lt>german: If you have a window displayed, you can pres Ctrl-Alt-Esc, move the resulting skull-and-crossbones over the window, and click to kill.
14:49<babilen>sumpter: I am also not sure that "disk2.bzf" is actually the same thing as "disk2.zip" and that fixing the scripts would help.
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14:51<sumpter>babilen you're probably right
14:52<iOSS>it seems awk is more like a successor of ed than of sed. am i right?
14:53<babilen>sumpter: I would suggest to google for "neverwinter nights linux disk2.bzf disk2.zip" -- That query results in a couple of hits and the solution might be detailed somewhere.
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14:54<babilen>sumpter: Is that the "Gold" edition? If so: "download Ravage's normal NWN installer and the seperate installer for the expansion and you're good to go"
14:54<babilen>sumpter: Lets take it out of the channel
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14:57<carlos_>kien eres
14:57<carlos_>ola
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14:59<german>i have the synaptic window, but it doesnt get selected by "magic border"
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14:59<german>i going to restart, this is frustrating :-(
14:59<sney->synaptic usually is
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15:05<jhutchins_lt>german: May we suggest learning the command-line tools? They are much more efficient, and when something goes wrong they usually tell you what.
15:06<cmr>And sometimes they suggest a fix!
15:06<german>ok
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15:08<jhutchins_lt>german: aptitude even has a text menu mode.
15:09<german>i dont know packets names and i think it easier to find them on a gui
15:09<babilen>(aptitude even has a gtk interface)
15:09<cmr>german: aptitude search
15:09<german>I'll have to adapt myself
15:10<german>thanks you for your tips
15:10<houms>you could always aptitude search 'searchterm'
15:10<jhutchins_lt>There's a web page out there somewhere that lists suggestions/equivalents for various Windows apps in Linux.
15:10<cmr>jhutchins_lt: alternativeto?
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15:11<jhutchins_lt>cmr: If that was meant as a suggestion could you post the full url?
15:11<cmr>http://alternativeto.net/
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15:12<jhutchins_lt>Not the one I was thinking of but looks useful.
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15:12<jhutchins_lt>german: There are also http://sourceforge.net and http://freshmeat.net
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15:13<jhutchins_lt>german: We're usually pretty helpful here too, especially if you ask about what you want to do as opposed to how you would go about it in Windows.
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15:28<Clas6>hello
15:28<Clas6>I need help please
15:28<Clas6>I want to install nvidia driver
15:28<Clas6>and I am a newbie
15:28<zloty>hmm what help?
15:29<@Ganneff>!nvidia
15:29<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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15:29<babilen>Clas6: You can ask the bot about all the factoids in <...> by messaging it -- E.g. "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms"
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15:31<babilen>Clas6: I recommend the dkms method (if that wasn't obvious already)
15:31<Clas6>babilen, thanks for the reply. I am reading the wiki page right now
15:31<babilen>Clas6: Read (and follow) "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms"
15:32<Clas6>the problem is, I installed a game called 'torcs' today, and I can not play it. before installing debian I could play it in ubuntu or win 7
15:33<ml|>reading the wiki should come first, IMHO
15:33<Clas6>thanks ml
15:33<babilen>ml|: yeah .. that should have been: "after reading the wiki, read "/msg ..." as well and follow that" ;)
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15:34<ml|>:)
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15:35<sumpter>hey guys sorry about this, but i have another issue
15:35<sumpter>its completely debian related this time
15:35<babilen>heh
15:35<ml|>sure ;)
15:35<sumpter>i can't use usb drives
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15:35<sumpter>it says something about bad superblock
15:35<sumpter>when i try to mount /dev/sdb1
15:36<babilen>Sounds as if the filesystem on there is broken -- Which filesystem is this?
15:36<devil>sumpter: and how do you try to mount it?
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15:37<sumpter>devil i just put in mount /dev/sdb1
15:37<sumpter>it was working earlier
15:37<sumpter>its with any flash drive
15:37<sumpter>and my cell phone
15:37<sumpter>its an android phone
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15:38<Torsten_W>and fdisk -l shows this drive?
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15:39<sumpter>torsten_w it says fdist: command not found
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15:40<Torsten_W>fdist != fdisk
15:40<Torsten_W>and btw, you have to do that as root
15:40<Torsten_W>any problems with reading?
15:40<sumpter>what?
15:40<sumpter>ah
15:41<sumpter>my bad i said fdist
15:41<sumpter>i put fdisk into the terminal
15:41<sumpter>it works now, i wasn't root
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15:41<sumpter>yes it does show the device
15:42<sumpter>should i format or something?
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15:42<Torsten_W>btw mount /dev/sdb1 would never work without a corresponding entry in /etc/fstab
15:42<Torsten_W>there is the mountpoint missing
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15:42<sumpter>torsten_w how do i get that back? should i try restarting?
15:42<Torsten_W>get back what?
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15:43<devil>or use pmount
15:43<devil>sumpter: with mount you need to specify the mountpoint also
15:44<thorgrin>I would try to specify the mountpoint as well as filesystem type (-t option)
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15:45<sumpter>im a linux noob so im not sure what the mountpoint should be
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15:45<Clas6>one more question. Is it possible to use the Nvidia Geforce 310m in full capacity while using free Debian drivers?
15:45<ml|>sumpter: make a directory and mount it there
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15:46<thorgrin>mountpoint is an directory under which the contents of the file should be listed. for example /mnt/usb
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15:47<babilen>sumpter: I'd recommend pmount though -- you can run it as user and it'll mount it to /media -- That being said: If you use Gnome or another desktop environment then you would be well advised to use their filemanagers as they support mounting.
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15:48<ml|>I also recommend pmount and usbmount
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15:48<sumpter>i got it mounted with the mount command
15:49<thorgrin>babilen's right, I was just trying to suggest the mount command to solve the bad block issue.
15:49*weedeater64 has this in fstab,
15:49<weedeater64>/dev/sdb1 /home/jeff/usb vfat rw,noauto,async,user 0 0
15:49<luette>hi, i asked google for almost an hour now and couldn't find an answer. so, hopefully someone here can help me. the problem is, that if i press my mute key on the lenovo ideapad z360 i can't enter any text in any window. the mouse will not open the menus but shortcuts (like restarting xserver) still work... does somebody know how to deal with this?
15:49<ml|>yep, using a DE like gnome, things should just work
15:49<sumpter>unfortunately, i can't eject it now
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15:50<babilen>sumpter: You can use "umount" or "pumount" to unmount it
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15:51<sumpter>babilen thanks
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15:52<babilen>sumpter: umount if you use mount and pumount if you used pumount
15:52<sumpter>babilen how can i get it to automount again
15:52<sumpter>my cell won't auto mount and thats the only way to connect
15:53<sumpter>i need to run an adb interface on it
15:55<babilen>sumpter: How did you mount it now?
15:56<sumpter>idk, it always mounted on its on
15:56<sumpter>it's not even showing with fdisk
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15:59<babilen>sumpter: You just said: "I got it mounted with the mount command" -- Which command exactly? And if "it always mounted on its o[w]n" does that mean it stopped doing this? Is this your android phone?
15:59<babilen>sumpter: I'll be afk for a while
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16:01<sumpter>no its my flash drive that i mounted
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17:00<rss>hi all
17:01<steinex>hi
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17:02<rss>steinex, any user with problems?
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17:03<steinex>not that i know of at the moment.
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17:03<rss>steinex, OK just signed on no history ;)
17:04<rss>listen mode on
17:04<rss>oops read mode on
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17:07<EmleyMoor>Is there a TV viewer that will easily go fullscreen with nouveau, other than mplayer?
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17:08<rss>EmleyMoor, possibly xbmc
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17:14<cmr>Is there a way to install *only* the dependencies of a package?
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17:15<rss>cmr, what about the dependancies of the depandancies?
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17:15<cmr>rss: Those too!
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17:16<cmr>rss: Installing a package generally pulls in its dependencies.
17:16<rss>cmr, apt-get -ud install <package> should do that. unless you have a really broken system
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17:17<rss>cmr, after that apt-get -u install <package>
17:17<rss>the -u shows what is needed rather that just doing.
17:17<cmr>rss: I don't want to install the package, I am doing development work with it, but I want its dependencies from APT so I don't have to fight with that later.
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17:20<babilen>cmr: I would recommend to just dpkg -i the package you are working on and use "apt-get install -f" to install the (missing) dependencies. You probably also need the build-dependencies (aptitude -R build-dep) to work ...
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17:21<cmr>babilen: Hmm, I didn't think of trying build-dep because it's a perl app, but that is actually everything I needed.
17:21<rss>cmr, OK, I understand the problem now. Could apt-get build-dep help?
17:21<cmr>rss: Yep!
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17:22<babilen>cmr: You can, however, install the dependencies with, say, "aptitude install ~RPKG" (replace PKG with the package in question)
17:23<cmr>babilen: What is that ~R syntax?
17:23<cmr>Where can I find it documented?
17:23<babilen>cmr: aptitude-doc-en -- /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html
17:23<steinex>EmleyMoor: look at tvtime
17:24<steinex>EmleyMoor: and grettings to #irchelp ;-)
17:24<cmr>babilen: Thanks
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17:25<EmleyMoor>tvtime doesn't appear to work at all with nouveau... needs hardware YUY2 overlay
17:25<steinex>oh, okay
17:26<steinex>other than that i only know xawtv
17:26<steinex>but it's not pretty
17:27<rss>steinex, if its not pretty would mplayer not suffice?
17:29<steinex>He asked for "other than mplayer" in the initial question, so i guess not :)
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17:29<rss>steinex, OK I understand that.
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17:33<EmleyMoor>xawtv flickers the whole desktop and won't easily fullscreen
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17:35<EmleyMoor>Trying xbmc but really not sure what I'd need to use it as a TV viewer
17:35<rss>EmleyMoor, apparently xbmc is capable of TV http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Watch_TV_in_XBMC
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17:37<rss>EmleyMoor, I don't watch tv on my laptop and do not use the nouveau drivers. So my expertise is questionable.
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17:44<EmleyMoor>Can't see any way xbmc can deal with it on its own
17:45<petemc>it doesnt really do dvb
17:45<EmleyMoor>This isn't DVB anyway
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17:45<petemc>what is it?
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17:46<EmleyMoor>In this case a simple video input - though the card is capable of "regular" TV (until April)
17:47<nevyn>it can be a mythfrontend
17:47<EmleyMoor>myth was pretty poor performing last time I tried it
17:48<rss>EmleyMoor, out of my depth, soory
17:49<rss>EmleyMoor, out of my depth, sorry
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17:50<nevyn>EmleyMoor: how so?
17:51<rss>OK guys signing off. My bed is calling "come to me, come to me"
17:51<EmleyMoor>Sluggish to respond to controls, awkward to get it set up...
17:52<nevyn>EmleyMoor: it's a non-trivial application for a trivial problem ;)
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18:01<Guest16772>why was multiarch triplets abandoned for gnu style triplets?
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18:18<nwmcsween_>does anyone know why multiarch abadoned 'debian' style triplets for gnu style triplets?
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18:25<zero_>I don't really know how to ask this. I have a small device running debian but the internal flash memory where the system is installed is getting quite full and I was wondering whether it was possible to make further package installs on another partition, is this possible?
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18:27<dondelelcaro>zero_: yes
18:27<dondelelcaro>zero_: though it's certainly not trivial
18:28<thorgrin>maybe you could move some data to the other partition and create symlinks to their previous location?
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18:29<zero_>dondelelcaro: can you guide me on how to do it? or at least where i should look in?
18:30<dondelelcaro>zero_: if you can have an entirely separate partition, like say /usr, that's the ideal method. If not, you can do things like unionfs over the top
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18:31<zero_>dondelelcaro: this device has an internal partition called rootfs, apart from that there's not even /usr, but i plan to install everything on a new external HD, i can mount it as /usr if that's what you mean...
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18:39<POPEYE>what is the point in files "icon-theme.cache"?
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19:22<sumpter>hey everyone
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19:22<sumpter>i feel bad, but I have a few more questions
19:22<sumpter>somehow I totally ruined my Debian install on my pc, and so I'm going to reinstall in a little while
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19:24<sney->just ask away and if anyone is here / knows the answer, they will help
19:24<jhutchins_lt>sumpter: Well, re-read the release notes and the install guide, take your time and keep notes so you know exactly what you did.
19:24<sumpter>in the meantime, I have a device running a debian command line
19:24<sumpter>i need to install a gui on it
19:24<sumpter>what is a good, lightweight gui?
19:24<jhutchins_lt>Torvalds like xfce
19:25<sney->lxde, windowmaker, xfce come to mind
19:25<sumpter>thanks, ive tried lxde but i couldn't install it
19:25<sney->windowmaker is old school, a little weird to use but it's really super tiny
19:25<sumpter>it's a touch screen device, and i don't have up/down arrows
19:26<sney->huh, maybe kde-plasma-netbook would be better then. it's good on small screens, though it's not really "minimal"
19:26<sumpter>i need something i can install with just text input to the command line
19:26<sumpter>size?
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19:26<sney->there is nothing in Debian that you can't install with just text input at the command line.
19:26<sumpter>not the lxde
19:27<sumpter>it wanted me to configure my keyboard, and so a box came up, that i had to select my keyboard type
19:27<sumpter>problem was i couldn't move up or down to select anything
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19:27<sney->there's an option you can pass to apt that keeps debconf from giving you menus like that
19:27<sney->I can't remember what it is though
19:28<sumpter>thanks, maybe i can find that somewhere
19:28<themill>DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
19:29<sumpter>im accessing the device from my computer, but it looks so wierd
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19:29<sumpter>the blue configuration box is just a bunch of symbols
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19:41<DYSW>Can i choose only to install nginx to load static content like html,jpeg files ?=
19:41<sney->that is all handled in the configuration
19:41<sney->it may pull php in as a dependency but you are not required to use it
19:43<DYSW>ahh okay, so apache is not needed at all
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19:46<sney->DYSW: nginx and apache are both webservers, if you are installing one you certainly don't need the other one
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19:48<DYSW>Now that makes sense. Thanks sney
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19:50<cooldude>running sid gnome_fallback i have no icons on desktop, am i just stupid or is it a bug?
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19:54<sumpter>im installing kde-plasma-netbook now
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19:54<sumpter>hopefully this will work
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20:04<sylae>Is anyone here familiar with liquidsoap?
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20:05<steinex>sylae: i have played with it. it is very promising.
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20:06*Pumba plop
20:07<sylae>Okay, so I've had it working on my testbox for about a month now, but recently I've been trying to get the source to scrobble to audioscrobbler/last.fm, but it's being...difficult, to say the least. Have you had any luck? I'm running 0.9.2
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21:22<`boz>Hi all
21:22<sylae>Hello.
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21:23<`boz>Hi, I have recently upgraded to ubuntu 11.10 and it appears my USB ports are not functioning correctly
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21:23<cmr>!ubuntu
21:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:23<`boz>does anyone know of any solutions?
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21:24<`boz>cheers
21:24<nik_>argh. the only flash videos that play are on youtube. everywhere else it's a black screen. help?
21:24<nik_>I'm using opera
21:25<bartm>nik_, using gnash ?
21:25<nik_>yeah, that's what is there when I right click
21:25<bartm>have you tried flashplugin-nonfree ?
21:26<nik_>I have the .so in my libs folder, is that what you mean?
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21:28<nik_>the thing is, it wasn't working on youtube either, but I reinstalled opera, then it worked, but ONLY on youtube
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21:30<bartm>I don't think opera is in debian, is it ?
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21:30<nik_>what do you mean? no it's not in the repository
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21:31<nik_>should I try disabling gnash?
21:31<bartm>nik_, try installing iceweasel and flashplugin-nonfree, should work fine
21:32<bartm>don't forget to use "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" because Adobe has released a new plugin version
21:32<nik_>i dont see flashplugin-nonfree?
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21:33<bartm>it's in section "contrib"
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21:35<nik_>ummm
21:35<nik_>InstallFiles not yet supported by backend
21:35<bartm>?
21:35<nik_>I get that error when trying to install it
21:36<nik_>nevermind, dpkg works
21:36<nik_>yeah okay works great in iceweasel
21:37<nik_>how can I get this to work like that in opera?
21:37<bartm>I'm afraid opera is not in debian
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21:38<nik_>I can't configure the flashplugin to work there as well?
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21:38<bartm>maybe you can. I don't know what you can :)
21:38<nik_>haha
21:38<nik_>okay
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21:44<adlk>hi, I noticed today the hostname on computer changed, starts with dhcp[...] could this be caused by an update?
21:44<sumpter>Hey again. How do I disable the configuration windows in apt-get?
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21:45<sylae>DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive maybe?
21:47<sumpter>Put that in the terminal?
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21:49<sumpter>Okay im trying the installation again
21:49<adlk>anyone is hostname changing normal or should i be worried?
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21:50<bartm>adlk, I guess the hostname changing with "dhcp..." comes from your internet provider, and should be normal
21:51<sumpter>Its still wanting to configure the package
21:51<retro|blah>adlk: What dhcp client are you using?
21:52<adlk>@bartm; thanks was thinking somthing like that but it's not happend before
21:52<sumpter>I m trying to install KDE-plasma-netbook and it wants to configure my keyboard but I can't interact with that window
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21:53<sumpter>Anything I can do?
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21:55<adlk>@retro not sure what you mean i normally use 'dhclient' on a terminal if the connection drops
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22:02<sumpter>Anyone?
22:03<sumpter>How would I disable that?
22:05<adlk>are you installing from a terminal or a gui pakage manager
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22:08<sney>sumpter: you have to put the DEBIAN_FRONTEND part on the same line as the command
22:08<sney>so DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install kde-plasma-netbook
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23:13<benjr>im running debian and xfce, i just tried to play minecraft but the fps was terrible, what could be the cause of this?
23:13<benjr>according to mincraft's wiki my hardware should be fine
23:15<sney>3d drivers, or maybe java
23:15<simonlnu>3d not enabled, opengl in sw mode, check syslog and Xorg.0.log
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23:18<victor>Faaala
23:18<benjr>Xorg.0.log is 12mb, any ive onyl been running debian for about a week, is that normal?
23:18<victor>oooquue?
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23:19<victor>Faaalllla
23:19<sney>benjr: yeah, it's pretty verbose
23:19<sumpter>hey i installed kde-plasma-netbook, how do I launch it from the terminal?
23:19<sney>sumpter: make sure xinit is installed and run 'startx'
23:19<victor>Brazil
23:20<sney>victor: congratulations. this is a computer help channel.
23:20<victor> congratulations. this is a computer help channel.
23:20<sney>o_o anyway
23:20<sney>benjr: what gpu does your computer have
23:20<victor>xD
23:20<victor> computer
23:20<victor>fECERBOK
23:21<cygnus>Alcohol?
23:21<sumpter>i get a fatal server error. "cannot open virtual console 2 (no such file or directory)"
23:21<benjr>sney, ive got a gt430, i know its more of an htpc card, but minecraft is the only game i play
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23:21<sney>benjr: no, that should be more than enough
23:22<benjr>sney, 95% of the xorg log is this one statement over and over "(EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument"
23:22<sumpter>sney but ram and processor would be more important then
23:22<victor>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
23:22<sumpter>minecraft is actually fairly demanding
23:22<sumpter>but the gt430 should be enough
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23:22<benjr>sumpter, its a new box, i5 2400, 8gb, gt430
23:22<sumpter>so about the fatal server error im getting
23:22<sney>my dinky old laptop can run it just fine. it's more demanding than it looks but it's not insane
23:23<sumpter>mine can't lol. stupid intel with their integrated chips
23:23<sney>sumpter: without knowing much about this device you're using I can't really say. has X worked on it before?
23:23<sumpter>sney ive never used it
23:23<sumpter>is there some way to start it without xinit?
23:24<benjr>how do i check if i have 3d drivers enabled?
23:24<sney>sumpter: anyway the last line of the fatal server error never tells us much, can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
23:24<sney>benjr: glxinfo |grep -i render
23:24<sumpter>can't
23:24<sumpter>its on a touch device
23:24<sney>you can type on it, right?
23:24<sney>!pastebinit
23:24<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>.
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23:25<benjr>sney, i dont have glxinfo, tired to apt-get glxinfo, and glx, says neither exist
23:26<sney>benjr: sorry, it's in mesa-utils
23:26<benjr>direct rendering: Yes
23:26<benjr>OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
23:27<sumpter>so when do i use pastebinit
23:27<sumpter>after i try startx i just put in pastebinit?
23:27<sney>sumpter: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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23:28<benjr>sney, im guessing that should say Hardware Rasterizer
23:28<sney>benjr: actually, it would say nvidia and the model name
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23:29<sney>benjr: what debian version are you using?
23:29<sumpter>http://pastebin.com/dNchmgg3
23:29<sney>unknown paste id, check for typos sumpter
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23:30<sumpter>http://pastebin.com/dNcmhgg3
23:30<sumpter>that should be it
23:30<sumpter>i mixed up the m and h
23:31<benjr>sney, sorry took me a bit to remember that command Linux version 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.39-3~bpo60+1) (norbert@tretkowski.de) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8)
23:31<ml|>looks like squeeze
23:31<sumpter>what do you mean?
23:31<sney>ok, so squeeze with backports. unfortunately since your gpu is pretty new you only have 2 choices to install the nvidia driver. one is to wait for the backported driver to show up (maybe a week) and the other is to install it from www.nvidia.com and possibly break things :/
23:32<sumpter>I think im running squeeze
23:32<sney>sumpter: have you asked in #debian-arm?
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23:32<sumpter>no should i go there?
23:33<sney>since you have an arm device, yeah. they're better equipped to help you get X going
23:33<sumpter>thanks
23:33<sumpter>i just joined, hope they can help
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23:33<benjr>sney, it seems both mine and sumpter's questions are similar, was the connection about pretty new gpu aimed at him or me?
23:33<benjr>the answer*
23:33<ml|>you
23:33<sney>benjr: the nvidia thing was aimed at you
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23:35<benjr>sney, just checked wikipedia, says my gpu was released mid last year, you think it'll turn up in maybe a week?
23:35<benjr>backport i mean
23:36<sney>roughly. I know the nvidia maintainer is going to do it
23:36<benjr>ah
23:36<benjr>i can wait then
23:37<sney>you could try backporting it yourself (the main package names are nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx) but I can't walk you through that tonight
23:37<ml|>judd: checkbackport nvidia-glx
23:37<benjr>i onyl have a very vague idea of what backport means, and ive onyl been suing debian for a week or so, i think ill pass on that lol
23:37<judd>Backporting package nvidia-glx in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied.
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23:38<ml|>judd: checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
23:38<judd>Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied.
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23:38<sney>ml|: yeah, it checks out, and there are plans for an official backport as soon as the one in sid hits testing.
23:38<ml|>looks promising
23:38<ml|>yes I remember anbe saying that
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23:39<sumpter>slight problem
23:39<sumpter>theres no one there
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23:40<sumpter>on the arm channel
23:40<benjr>sorry for this amature question, as i understand term backport means ported to an older version, so why would i be using backported on this, what i believe is the newest verison of debian?
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23:41<ml|>dpkg: backport
23:41<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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23:42<sumpter>is there any option when starting startx?
23:42<ml|>man startx might help
23:42<benjr>ml|, so that means im not running the latest version then?
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23:42<Guest16796>Is it possible to have command line latex rendering?
23:42<ml|>benjr: you are; the lastest stable version
23:43<benjr>ml|, ah, so its backported to the stable, from the testing versions?
23:43<ml|>benjr: /msg dpkg releases
23:43<ml|>usually or sid
23:44<benjr>well thats a relief, i thoguht person id screwed up and installed a really old version of debian
23:45<benjr>perhaps*
23:45<ml|>your fine
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23:46<Guest16796>I am using surfraw + screen + elinks + vim to take notes off the web
23:46<benjr>how wil i know when these 3d drivers are backported? where do i check?
23:46<sumpter>i think ive got it
23:46<Guest16796>I need a solution for equations
23:46<sumpter>apparently i need to make more virtual consoles
23:47<Guest16796>is there a script to convert text to pdf file?
23:47<Guest16796>html with jsmath?
23:47<ml|>benjr: you can /msg judd versions xserver-xorg-video-nvidia try it now
23:48<sumpter>how do i make more virtual consoles in debian?
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23:49<benjr>ml|, thanks heaps for the help :)
23:49<ml|>np
23:49<sumpter>anyone?
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23:49<ml|>benjr: don't forget sney :)
23:49<sumpter>my bad didn't mean to leave
23:49<benjr>sney, oh yes you too, much love :)
23:49<sumpter>so, virtual consoles in debian
23:50<sumpter>how do i make some more
23:50<sumpter>it says no such file or dir when trying to access virtual console 2
23:50<sumpter>so i assume i need to make one
23:51<ml|>control-alt-F[1-6] to change to another tty
23:52<sumpter>im in the command line
23:52<sumpter>not a gui
23:52<sumpter>im trying to start one though
23:53<ml|>does not matter
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23:53<sumpter>what do i do then
23:53<sumpter>i have another terminal up
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23:54<ml|>dunno, you asked for another tty
23:55<heikkila>sumpter: press CTRL+ALT+F2, there's your second tty, there you would have to make another login.
23:55<heikkila>sumpter: or perhaps you need more than your 6 default ones?
23:56<sumpter>i don't have any f keys
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23:58<heikkila>sumpter: I don't know how to rebind the key combination, but there's always screen and/or tmux
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23:59<ml|>I think he wants to start X
23:59<heikkila>aha
23:59<sumpter>tmux?
23:59<sumpter>okay
23:59<sumpter>well im trying it a different way
23:59<sumpter>with ubuntu instead of debian
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