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00:46<ayaka>I have problem with xen and nvidia
00:50<kop>So, why when I do scp -f -p foo bar baz foo:blah/blah/ does it seem to hang? scp is not supposed to have a -f option....
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00:56<ballison-home>i'm on a system that i did NOT build. it had a bad drive. how do i check to see if there is software raid setup so i can disable the bad disk?
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00:58<kop>ballison-home: The mdadm utils query option (perhaps -Q?)
00:58<ballison-home>kop: i'm looking at mdadm options - not sure which one - i don't even know the device name of the raid
00:59<kop>ballison-home: One of those query options lists/tests all devices, but I forget the details.
00:59<ballison-home>kop: yeah - when you know the device name
00:59<ballison-home>kop: like mdadm --detail /dev/md0
00:59<ballison-home>but i don't know the device name of the array. i just see /dev/sda1
01:00<ballison-home>i just see /dev/sda1 in df
01:02<kop>ballison-home: Does not sound like a md array.
01:02<kop>ballison-home: Perhaps they've setup one of those fakeraid controllers.
01:03<kop>ballison-home: In any case, one of those query options does test everything. I _think_. Haven't done it in an age.
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01:13<gsimmons>kop: (re scp) It's an undocumented option (Debian bug #389011).
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01:17<ballison-home>kop: It's hardware raid
01:18<ballison-home>now where can i find MegaCLI for debian? i found it for redhat.. but i need it for debian.
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01:25<ballison-home>nevermind i used alien to conver the rpm to .deb
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01:28<jerryclunsford>How can I use an usb mouse on debian squeeze laptop It shows up in the /var/log/xorg.log but it does nothing?
01:29<jerryclunsford>scraze: got new replacement hard drive works great
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01:45<ballison-home>why would "/opt/MegaRAID/MegaCli/MegaCli -PDList -aAll
01:45<ballison-home>return no data at all?
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01:49<ayaka>I have problem with xen and nvidia,is there any idea?
01:50<jerryclunsford>be more specific and someone might help you what is the problem and what nvidia card
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01:56<jerryclunsford>ayaka: is it an driver installation problem?
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01:57<ayaka>jerryclunsford, no,X can't start at xen
01:58<jerryclunsford>then it is probably a driver problem
01:58<jerryclunsford>have you checked the X log
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02:00<ayaka>jerryclunsford, yes I use non-free nvidia,it cause problem
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02:01<jerryclunsford>Ok did you use the proprietary drivers or the debian drivers
02:01<ayaka>jerryclunsford, so it can boot into recover mode,proprietary drivers
02:02<jerryclunsford>I am not running xen but the prop. drivers did cause problems on squeeze
02:03<jerryclunsford>do you know how to load the non proprietary drivers?
02:03<ayaka>jerryclunsford, but I think nv won't,I have search it ,but answer is too old
02:03<jerryclunsford>There is a very good site on installing them let see if I can find it
02:04<ayaka>jerryclunsford, yes,as nvidia one,install it other may use insmod
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02:05<jerryclunsford>well there are 3 drivers the proprietary the nv and an non-proprietary
02:07<ayaka>I think nv=non-proprietary one
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02:09<jerryclunsford>have you looked at ?
02:09<jerryclunsford>has this card worked before or new install
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02:15<jerryclunsford>some people have good results with the nouveau drivers for Nvidia or you can install the non-free drivers Which I used installed in the debian way
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02:16<jerryclunsford>the nouveau drivers did not perform as well as the the non-free ones
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02:21<jerryclunsford>ayaka: sorry I left a #nv of of that address should be
02:23<jerryclunsford>Got to go have to reboot
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02:45<sklo>hello, i've installed compiz, and only once it was real opacity now i cant get to it, am changing options and there is no result on opacity
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02:47<ayaka>sklo, do you follow the wiki?
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02:48<sklo>ok i will go there
02:50<Zaba>so I have fn+f3 on my keyboard give me "keyboard: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 248" in dmesg. Nothing in xev, nothing in showkey -s. Wonder how to get the key to work.
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02:50<cmr>Zaba: Is that the "make screen brighter" button?
02:50<Zaba>it's the mic mute button
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03:38<summon_>hello all
03:39<ayaka>summon_, hello
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03:39<summon_>I'm using debian testing and have just dist-upgraded. Actually i was sure that there would be no gnome2 to gnome 3 update
03:40<summon_>but now i have gnome 3. Is there safe way to get back gnome 2
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03:47<benjr>I cant get the spell checked on openoffice to work. Under the language settings and writing aids I see multiple dictionaries listed, however when i misspell a word on purpose and do a spell check it says there's no mistakes. Openoffice was installed automatically with debian and/or xfce
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03:48<ayaka>!tell summon_ next
03:49<ayaka>!tell summon_ about testing
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03:50<summon_>Sorry. I've read the topic. I'll ask there. Thanks.
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03:55<lio>what is the gool of this server.?
03:56<ayaka>lio, I think you could ask this question in offtopic
03:56<Bushmills>to go where no man has even gone before
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03:56<Bushmills>ever, even
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03:57<luca_>non mi funziona webcam
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04:01<lio>le mode +i lio????
04:01<lio>+i lio
04:03<ayaka>lio, stop please
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04:04<lio>u dont help me .and still u ask me to stop.
04:04<lio>what do u want me to stop..
04:04<devil>lio: this is debian support
04:04<EmleyMoor>Is there a way, in LibreOffice Calc, to stop it messing about with capitalisation of letters?
04:04<Bushmills>what you need help with? medical emergency? legal advice?
04:05<lio>ubuntu is a sort of debian if i understand
04:05<Bushmills>or just tight economics?
04:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:05<lio>thank u Bushmills
04:06<lio>thanks dpkg
04:06<lio>ok i m downloading debian
04:06<dpkg>rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
04:06<lio>and i will test it
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04:07<lio>im downloading a live cd image 1.?? gb
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04:17<jerryclunsford>I can not find out how to set up an usb mouse on a laptop running Squeeze. It does not show up in dmesg | grep usb .
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04:18<Bushmills>jerryclunsford: in general, plugging it in suffices. does it show with lsusb?
04:19<jerryclunsford>no lsusb only shows the hubs
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04:20<jerryclunsford>eg. Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
04:21<jerryclunsford>tried two different mice same thing
04:21<Bushmills>for usb mice, you probably need the usbhid module loaded, though the mouse should show among usb devices even without
04:21<jerryclunsford>Hadn't thought of that had to use it for a joystick on another computer
04:22<jerryclunsford>I'll give it a try
04:22<ayaka>I wan to how to let jackd1 autostart
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04:25<jerryclunsford>Bushmills: will this require a reboot?
04:25<Bushmills>not needed
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04:27<jerryclunsford>still not there
04:27<mctipsy>I've done a fresh install of windows and it's erased my grub, how do I go ahead and reload grub?
04:28<jerryclunsford>I don't suppose I would have to disable the touchpad?
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04:30<Bushmills>mctipsy: boot from a live cd. then there are several possibilities. one is, mount root partition, the proc and dev into the empty dirs on the mounted root. chroot, grub-install, update-grub
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04:32<jerryclunsford>I hate that touchpad but can't find anything online
04:32<Robles>you speak spanish¿?
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04:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:33<ompaul>Robles: /join #debian-es
04:33<Bushmills>"... con /join #debian-es ..."
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04:35<mctipsy>bushmills: is there not an easier way to install grub, like burning it and booting with it?
04:35<Bushmills>mctipsy: there's a way to put grub on a cd or a floppy, and use that one to boot
04:40<ayaka>I wan to how to let jackd1 autostart
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05:06<mitr>Anyone running Sandy bridge desktop based system here with Debian Squeeze?
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05:10<devil>mitr: with debian unstable
05:10<ayaka>I wan to how to let jackd1 autostart
05:10<ayaka>I want to know how to let jackd1 autostart
05:11<mitr>devil: does the intel xorg driver work for your onboard video or do you use dedicated?
05:12<devil>mitr: i use the HD3000, and yes, it works fine.
05:12<babilen>mitr: Should work with a kernel (and most likely Xorg) from backports
05:12<mitr>Hmm I have had problems upgrading the kernel from stable to the kernel from backports
05:12<mitr>That was a while back, I guess I could give it another shot
05:12<mitr>What is HD3000?
05:13<babilen>You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever
05:13<devil>mitr: why would one have probs with a kernel upgrade?
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05:13<babilen>mitr: HD3000 is the integrated intel GPU in snady bridge
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05:13<devil>mitr: HD3000 is the gfx chip on a i7 2600k
05:14<devil>there is also HD2000 in other configurations of i7
05:14<mitr>ok so what device driver do I use in xorg.conf
05:14<devil>mitr: you dont need a xorg.conf
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05:14<devil>mitr: please rename it
05:14<babilen>mitr: You don't need a xorg.conf as Xorg configures itself automatically
05:14<devil>mitr: or do you have a special reason to use one?
05:15<mitr>I know you don't need one, but I am using one at the moment because I tried to get it to use the intel driver
05:15<mitr>Had to revert to VESA
05:15<devil>mitr: please rename it
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05:15<devil>it might confuse more than it helps
05:15<mitr>Yeah, it defaults to VESA
05:15<mitr>So I created one to use Intel
05:15<mitr>that failed
05:15<babilen>You need the right Xorg version for sandy bridge, not a xorg.conf
05:16<mitr>OK, so steps should be, 1: upgrade to kernel from backports
05:16<mitr>Upgrade xorg from ?
05:16<ayaka>I wonder why my audio always have problem,it seems noone can sovle it,ok another question
05:17<ayaka>does my still need cjk for latex or latex have support chinese?
05:17<mitr>babilen: where do I get the updated xorg from if I am using stable
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05:18<babilen>mitr: From backports as well
05:18<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg-core
05:18<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny4; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:1.7.7-14; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:; sid: 2:
05:18<mitr>babilen: how stable is that?
05:19<babilen>mitr: Not at all (for Debian's definition of stable which essentially means unchanging) -- But it will not break anything.
05:19<babilen>ayaka: Doesn't jack1 or rather jackd ship an init script?
05:20<ayaka>yes I use enveriment to start it,but it doesn't work
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05:21<devil>what is the most common and most useless error message in support? 'it does not work'
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05:22<cmr>devil: Also the most true :)
05:22<devil>well, yeah, unfortunately that does not add to its usefulness
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05:24<mitr>Ok, I will give backports a shot
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05:26<mitr>So I want: linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 - Linux 2.6.38 for 64-bit PCs?
05:28<babilen>.38? Don't we have .39 in backports?
05:28<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
05:28<babilen>,kernels --arch amd64
05:28<judd>(kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
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05:29<mitr>Installing now
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05:29<themill>both 2.6.38 and 2.6.39 are in backports
05:29<mitr>Yep, I missed it. Installing .39 now
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05:35<user_3>Hi , I'm trying to debug an error I got when using freetds, acording to the error the file I should look for is SQLConnect.c the problem is apt-file search can't find it (it is related to freetds , libct4 , unixodbc ) could any one help ?
05:36<user_3>the line : [ODBC][2848][1321179524.647865][SQLError.c][430]
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05:37<cmr>user_3: Looks like it'd be in the source of freetds, something which apt-file doesn't search.
05:37<user_3>also did apt-get source for each of the debs
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05:38<user_3>and didn't find the files there :-(
05:39<amitz>do you have the right /etc/apt/sources.list ? just checking
05:40<user_3>as far as I know yep (the same version ) : deb sid main contrib non-free
05:40<user_3>deb-src sid main contrib non-free
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05:41<mitr>Hey thanks for getting me onto backports guys...
05:41<mitr>The new kernel and the new xorg has fixed many issues for me
05:41<mitr>I can set my Gamma now!
05:42<mitr>Now to test evdev constant deceleration for my mouse
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05:45<user_3>amitz , cmr anything else I might be missing ?
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05:46<amitz>user_3: get the file from ?
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05:47<user_3>hmm .. isn't it the same as apt-get source ?
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05:47<user_3>I'm allready on sid .
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05:51<XeonBloomfield>Why on that line:
05:51<XeonBloomfield>if [ "$(grep 'resync=DELAYED' /proc/mdstat)" != "" || "$(grep 'check =' /proc/mdstat)" != "" ]
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05:51<XeonBloomfield>I get error "[: missing `]'"
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05:51<babilen>XeonBloomfield: #bash on
05:52<XeonBloomfield>it's little bug
05:52<ansgar>XeonBloomfield: Unrelated to that problem you want to look at grep -q.
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05:53<XeonBloomfield>ansgar: in "variable=$(grep ...)" command stdout went to $variable
05:53<XeonBloomfield>probably stderr also, so all output
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05:56<XeonBloomfield>babilen: It's quite connected to Debian Squeeze - checkarray from md is bugged and does not check all from my 10 md arrays (it checks only 1 from it)
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05:56<ansgar>XeonBloomfield: So? There is no "variable=".
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05:57<XeonBloomfield>ansgar: but there is: if [ "$(grep trololo /proc/uptime)" != "" ]
05:58<XeonBloomfield>ansgar: output is stored in memory and does not print to console
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05:58<ansgar>XeonBloomfield: If you are not interested in the output anyway, just tell grep to not output anything and just check the exit status?
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06:00<XeonBloomfield>ansgar: yeah - it is also an idea
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06:17<Bushmills>ansgar: you don't need to test grep output against empty string. when grep can't match an expression, it signals by return value
06:18<Bushmills>i.e. grep foo file && echo found. or, with if: if grep foo file; then echo found: fi
06:18<Bushmills>-q would be a good option to go with grep
06:20<Bushmills>that above goes to XeonBloomfield, not ansgar
06:21<XeonBloomfield>Bushmills: yeah, in that way grep -q is great
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06:35<Gerowen>Is there a built in system variable for "gateway"? For example, if I wanted to ping the default gateway of the network I am currently connected to without specifying the IP address, is there a variable for that?
06:35<Gerowen>Just curious
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06:36<Blackhold>could someone give me some help on corkscrew please?
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06:37<Blackhold>I'm trying to connect through proxy to do ssh connections, but with one server it works, but with an other proxy server it don't. I have checked property transparent is on the one is not working, it was not, I've been added it to it, restarted the service but continue not allowing to access using corkscrew
06:37<Blackhold>the strange thing is that the answer is really fast
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07:05<jackyboy633>Hey everyone, I have a problem with my wireless network.
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07:05<jackyboy633>I have posted in the Debian User forums to see if anyone can help me.
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07:06<_hjp>oh?What's the problem?
07:06<jackyboy633>Here is the link:
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07:08<jackyboy633>_hjp, are you speaking to me?
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07:08<_hjp>In fact,I was a ubuntu user...
07:08<jackyboy633>Well basically, I have a wireless dongle which is powered by the RTL8187B chipset.
07:09<jackyboy633>It basically will not see my wireless network, but it sees others in my area.
07:09<_hjp>I have seen the site
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07:11<Nazcafan>anyone using gnome3 here?
07:11<Nazcafan>can't shut down reboot from gnome, need to logout first
07:12<jackyboy633>On the shutdown menu, you have to press the 'ALT' key, then the Power Off menu will appear.
07:12<_hjp>sudo -i XXX
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07:17<Nazcafan>jackyboy633, how did you find that out?
07:17<Nazcafan>jackyboy633, any similar trick for reboot?
07:17<jackyboy633>Just by experience of GNOME 3. :-)
07:17<Nazcafan>jackyboy633, found for reboot, thanks
07:18<jackyboy633>You're welcome :-D
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07:19<jackyboy633>Now, if anyone can help me with my networking problem.
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07:20<Nazcafan>jackyboy633, what is your networking problem
07:21<jackyboy633>Well basically, you can find out about it here:
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07:21<jackyboy633>Well basically, you can find out about it here: (Fixed link)
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07:25<Nazcafan>jackyboy633, you sure it's fixed?
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07:26<jackyboy633>I'm on the computer with the problem ,and it still cannot see my network.
07:26<jackyboy633>I'm using a Ethernet HomePlug at the moment, but it's very slow and unreliable.
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07:30<Nazcafan>jackyboy633, your link is no good
07:32<amitz>where is the default location of youtube file downloaded (as a cache) using gnash?
07:32<amitz>of debian squeeze's gnash.
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07:32<jackyboy633>Here's the full link then:
07:33<jackyboy633>Hope this works
07:34<Osiris_X>having continuing problems with "Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library debian" messages - "export [LANGUAGE|LANG|LC_ALL] = en_GB.UTF-8 fixes the problem, but is not permanent across reboot
07:34<Osiris_X>where should I put these commands - /etc/environment? (which is now blank)
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07:48<jackyboy633>Can you get on now, nazcafan?
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07:49<flowchart>is there a default password for remastersys the iso i made seems to want a dif password then th os i made it from
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07:51<lala>hi i need help installing gempak on debian
07:52<lala>seem to get error Makefile:26: /config/Makeinc.common: No such file or directory
07:52<lala>where as i checked all the paths are corect
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08:00<XeonBloomfield>have a nice day
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08:01<jackyboy633>come on
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08:07<Brandon_>Hi there! I would like to chroot two users in the same directory so they can simply share files (.doc generally) there
08:09<Brandon_>Is simply add: "testuser /home/testuser" to chroot.conf is fine ?
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08:53<sh4un>is anyone here running squeeze successfully with a 3.x kernel?
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08:56<devil>sh4un: unstable, not squeeze
08:57<sh4un>devil: just wondering if it's easy/possible/hardwork?
08:57<devil>sh4un: its in backports afaik
08:57<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-6); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
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08:58<sh4un>devil: I seem to recall someone saying that there were problems with udev
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08:59<devil>sh4un: sorry, cant tell
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08:59<sh4un>devil: no probs. thanks anyway. maybe I should try asking on debian-next?
09:00<devil>sh4un: more appropriate, yes
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09:09<iuriguilherme>devil: I am using squeeze with sid repositories, so the kernel now is 3.
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09:10<devil>iuriguilherme: tell sh4un, i have 3.1 with sid
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09:10<gin>hi, i can not write files in /etc with echo.. im in sudoers as gin ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: ALL, thanks
09:10<iuriguilherme>devil: but i have not compiledthe kernel when my debian was only squeeze
09:11<devil>i didnt say anything about compiling
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09:11<iuriguilherme>devil: and how did you expect to have linux 3.x in squeeze?
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09:12<devil>i didnt. i said it was in backports
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09:13<iuriguilherme>devil: i just realized that sh4un was asking that
09:13<devil>thats what i told you :)
09:13<iuriguilherme>where are my glasses
09:13<iuriguilherme>better ask my wife
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09:14<devil>where is your wife? :)
09:14<iuriguilherme>maybe if i turn off the monitors i'll find her quicker
09:14<iuriguilherme>good afternoon
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09:17<bartm>franklin, hi, are you there ?
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09:27<metaspike> im compiling the vanilla 3.1.1 kernel in squeeze now, so far so good.
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09:32<iuriguilherme>metaspike: since squeeze is meant to be "stable" i don't see why it would not work. Unless of course, there is something very different that makes something not work as expected, in this case you would have to add some unstable repositories
09:34*themill wonders how that would help
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09:38<metaspike>iuriguilherme, indeed. if there's something in the basesystem that looks for new kernel things, that would be a problem.
09:39<metaspike>now the moment of truth...
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10:26<Gav>hi there
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10:27<Guest16910>I'm wondering if there's a way of limiting a particular log files size?
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10:31<f0rk>Guest16910: look at logrotate
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10:41<Guest16910>f0rk, thank you
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10:49<jerryclunsford>I installed squeeze amd 64 on an emachines E525 yesterday the only thing that will show up in lsub are usb flash drives: mouse, joystick and sound device do not show up at all.what could be wrong I installed input joystick and input mouse the glide point on the laptop works.
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10:51<jerryclunsford>that should be lsusb
10:52<jhutchins_lt>jerryclunsford: Possibly they're on a differnt bus. They work?
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10:53<jerryclunsford>the built in glide point works the only that will show up when plugged into the usb port are flash drives
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10:55<jerryclunsford>usb mouse ( i tried 2 different ones) , usb keyboard, joystick, external usb hub none show up in lsusb.
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11:01<skypce>hi can you helpme con ufw please
11:01<skypce>i was installing it
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11:01<skypce>and activate
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11:01<skypce>i put ufw default deny
11:01<skypce>but the webpages i can look same
11:02<skypce>it doent work for me , i am with pinguyos
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11:03<f0rk>!tell skypce abount pinguyos
11:03<f0rk>!tell skypce about pinguyos
11:03<skypce>it is a excellent distro
11:03<skypce>very complete
11:03<f0rk>and also not supported here :)
11:04<skypce>it have docky and concky for manage windows
11:04<skypce>ahh ok sorry
11:04<f0rk>try #pinguyos on freenode
11:04<skypce>i go to #ubuntu
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11:08<jerryclunsford>I don't guess creating an Xorg.conf for the mouse would help since it doesn't show up?
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11:10<sney>jerryclunsford: sounds like a possibly broken usb port
11:11<jerryclunsford>would a flash drive work and mouse not?
11:11<sney>hmm, I don't think so
11:12<jerryclunsford>well flash drive shows up in lsusb and works.
11:13<jerryclunsford>I don't know a lot and this is giving me a headache.
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11:14<jerryclunsford>Everything I have test it with works fine on other debian Squeeze machine.
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11:16<jerryclunsford>is there possibly something wrong with udev.d
11:16<bjb_>jerryclunsford, what is the output of uname -r
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11:16<jerryclunsford> one moment
11:16<bjb_>and do you see anything in /var/log/kern.log related to usb when you plug in the non-working (or working) devices?
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11:17<dpkg>fenderlinux: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con
11:17<jerryclunsford>bjb: checking
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11:21<jerryclunsford>bjb: the flash drive shows up and shows when disconnected non working items do not
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11:22<bjb_>jerryclunsford: hmm ... do the devices light up when you plug them in (if they are supposed to light up)?
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11:22<bjb_>I wonder if it's a power thing -
11:23<jerryclunsford>Yes, laser on mouse lights
11:23<bjb_>strange ... well you've hit my knowledge limit - sorry
11:23<jerryclunsford>Thanks, Gone way past mine.
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11:25<jerryclunsford>I guess I look into usb pin outs and see if any are used for devices that are not used for flash drives
11:25<bjb_>jerryclunsford: probably the Xorg.conf and the udev.d things won't help if the kernel doesn't report anything.
11:26<jerryclunsford>That's what I figured but doesn't hurt to confirm.
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11:27<bjb_>jerryclunsford: check out this link (it may be relevant even if it's for another OS):
11:27<bjb_>try googling for your mobo model name, your device name (as close as you can get it) and "debian" or "linux"
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11:30<jerryclunsford>Thanks looks like nothing usb would work if one pin is broken
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11:33<sney>jerryclunsford: didn't you say you have another identical system with the same squeeze configuration and that one works?
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11:36<jerryclunsford>no different one with problem is emachines E 525 series laptop one without is hp Proliant dl360 g4p server
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11:37<jerryclunsford>both running squeeze amd64
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11:39<jerryclunsford>The rack mount server is great but hard to carry with you.
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11:41<sney>well, I still think it's a hardware problem.
11:41<jerryclunsford>I don't think the laptop has a asus motherboard I haven't find out what it has yet.
11:42<jerryclunsford>sney: could be it beats me why flash drives work and everything else I have plugged in doesn't
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11:45<jerryclunsford>bjb: sney: thanks for the input I guess I will let y'all get back to what you where doing and pull some more hair out later. Take it easy.
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12:40<BusMaster>I have 5.1 channel speakers, wired up correctly. but I hear front left and front right coming out of the center speaker and can't hear any other channels. how do i begin to fix this?
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12:45<lamby_>can much be done to improve font rendering (legibility) in X? any tips?
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12:47<scraze>BusMaster: if you're positive about your setup, then there are two things to check: (1) is the app trying to use 5.1 (2) is the soundcard correctly recognized & initialised
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12:49<BusMaster>scraze, I'm positive about my setup because it worked with Ubuntu (before I jumped ship) and I haven't touched any wires. The app is speaker-test -c 6 -t wav so yes, it is trying to use 5.1. How do I check if my card is correctly initialized? In the sound preferences, the sound output device is selected as Internal Analog audio surround 5.1
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12:50<chrisign>is there any documentation for encrypting ssd? Do I still need leave some space on that ssd unformated?
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12:57<zulu>hi, I run sid, and I would like to install last gallium3d stack, is there somewhere a doc to switch from fglrx?
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12:58<scraze>BusMaster: it is possible that the default kernel modules of squeeze recognize some of your card but not all, there are various ways to go about this but lets first check on PCI id - what do you get for lspci -nn | grep -i audio
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12:59<BusMaster>scraze, 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 06)
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13:02<BusMaster>scraze, and just so you know, in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf, I have uncommented the following settings: default-sample-channels = 6 \n default-channel-map = front-left,front-right,rear-left,rear-right,front-center,lfe
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13:03<BusMaster>scraze, should I comment out the default-channel-map ? No docs I've read mention fiddling with it... everybody just says to uncomment the dofault-sample-channels and set it to 6
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13:04<scraze>BusMaster: I'm not really familiar with pulseaudio :/ so perhaps best to factor that out and just test with alsa instead (
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13:05<BusMaster>scraze, hmm. ok. The linux audio system is just such a jungle
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13:06<BusMaster>scraze, how do I test with just alsa?
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13:07<BusMaster>scraze, I did pulseaudio -k to make sure it gets killed. Then after running speaker-test -c6 -twav, I notice that the pulseaudio has been started up again
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13:09<scraze>BusMaster: can't deny that :] speaker-test is in fact an alsa test, to make sure you're not using pulseaudio: pulseaudio --kill (temporary) or echo 'autospawn = no' >> ~/.pulse/client.conf (permanent) for per-user sessions, otherwise /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop (temporary) or set PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START to 0 in /etc/default/pulseaudio (permanent), to make sure it 's not running : lsof /dev/snd/* | grep pulseaudio
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13:10<scraze>BusMaster: any change if you add option -Dsurround51 to the speaker-test command ?
13:11<BusMaster>scraze, no, it is absolutely the same. The only difference is in the text that speaker-test outputs. It either says using device default (if I don't specify anything) or using device surround51
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13:13<scraze>BusMaster: ok, I guess this is as good a time as any to get some detailed info with the alsa-info script: wget -O /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; chmod 700 /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; alsa-info (it offers to upload the results, please do so :])
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13:16<BusMaster>scraze, ok. I'll do that now. just wanted to say that after disabling pulseaudio permanently, running speaker-test without -Dplug:surround does not work. Running it with -Dplug:surround51 gives the same results as before.. so I guess that means that the problem lies in alsa, not in pulseaudio
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13:17<nizzle>hi all. in what circumstances do I need to run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config ?
13:18<nizzle>I'm just wondering if I can use it to improve the legibility of the fonts
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13:19<scraze>nizzle: according to , that would be a valid circumstance - "to change default font rendering"
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13:19<nizzle>I may have a play then. I was just wondering if there's anything to bear in mind, I don't want to make my fonts worse
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13:20<BusMaster>scraze, ok, I ran the script and uploaded the information. Wonder how it'll help. I mean, I was using alsa with Ubuntu, and that worked. so this must be something with debian/mint
13:20<scraze>BusMaster: could you give me the url :P? The idea is to check whether the card was fully initialized
13:20<BusMaster>Your ALSA information is located at
13:21<BusMaster>scraze, Your ALSA information is located at
13:21<scraze>and instead of asking to perform a multitude of commands, the one script should contain .. everything :]
13:21<BusMaster>scraze, I ran the script with pulseaudio disabled
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13:24<BusMaster>scraze, I also have a Creative USB webcam with a built-in mic. But hopefully, that isn't messing up the works. It works fine
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14:07<thorgrin>Good evening. I have a problem installing a package,
14:07<thorgrin>I use postfix but it wants to remove it... no idea why
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14:07<madtux>hello to all the channel
14:08<jordanm>thorgrin: you need to remove exim4-base. are you using debian's postfix package?
14:08<madtux>sorry guys somebody know how to expand a vmware virtual disk?
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14:08<thorgrin>jordanm: yes. but postfix instalation removes exim automatically
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14:08<thorgrin>or so I thought
14:09<babilen>thorgrin: Try running "apt-get install postfix-pcre exim4-base-" otherwise remove/purge all exim packages with "aptitude purge ~n^exim4" first
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14:10<MrFrood>thorgrin: `aptitude why|why-not package-name' should tell all
14:11<thorgrin>the exim4-base removal helped
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14:12<thorgrin>another question, I have a broken slapd package installed, dpkg --configure fails. slapd runs fine though and I want to use it. Is it possible?
14:12<german>i need help understanding some things that i cant find
14:13<german>what mades an application to depend of an desktop enviroment?
14:13<german>if i write a gtk application do i have to install gnome libraries?
14:14<babilen>thorgrin: And "apt-get install postfix-pcre exim4-base-" did not work?
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14:15<scraze>thorgrin: it's probably best to fix the brokenness, slapd may work now but if dpkg can't work with it, it may also break at some point(/upgrade)
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14:16<scraze>german: ;][
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14:18<jordanm>german: it will need to depend on libs that it uses or is linked against
14:19<jordanm>german: dpkg-shlibdeps will handle this in the most cases of compiled applications
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14:22<thorgrin>babilen: I first tried removing the exim-base and it worked, did not try the second one
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14:23<thorgrin>scraze: I would really like to fix it, because it breaks all the time and I have to restore configuration and database from the backup... But I do not know how to fix this issue
14:23<scraze>thorgrin: I guess you've tried aptitude reinstall/purge ?
14:24<heffay>Is anyone here using Iceweasel from backports on Squeeze?
14:24<thorgrin>scraze: I work with apt-get, but slapd was purger/reinstalled many times
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14:25<scraze>thorgrin: then perhaps a manual intervention is necessary .. could you pastebin the output of dpkg --configure -a ?
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14:27<heffay>How do I run an application from the terminal but still be able to use that terminal?
14:27<heffay>I can't remember what the option is
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14:27<jhutchins_lt>heffay: &
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14:29<jhutchins_lt>heffay: or screen, or nohup.
14:29<thorgrin>scraze: and of course, it destroys my configuration in process;-)
14:29<heffay>thanks jhutchins_lt
14:29<babilen>thorgrin: That command was indeed the first one I gave you ;) -- But great that it worked out. (To explain it "apt-get install exim4-base-" will actually remove exim4-base)
14:29<scraze>thorgrin: ouch :] it seems that the post-installation scripts are failing exactly on the point of saving/loading configuration
14:30<thorgrin>babilen: thanks ;-) I do not know much more than apt-get install/remove and apt-cache search.
14:30<thorgrin>scraze: It would seem so. Is there anything I can do? Or should I just install from source?
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14:33<tesseract>I'm trying to install debian on an old tecra 8200
14:33<scraze>thorgrin: you could grab older or newer versions of slapd, ie from or from sid's repo
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14:34<thorgrin>how would I go about that?
14:34<tesseract>Dont have cdrom so i booted a live gentoo cd en dd'ed a fresh debian netinstall on hda booted from that but now the installer is bitching bout the cdrom.
14:35<scraze>thorgrin: you're on squeeze?
14:35<thorgrin>and slapd version is 2.4.23-7.2
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14:36<german>thanks you scraze and jordanm, i thought that more applications depends on the desktop manager, as i see they usually depend on qt or gtk only
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14:39<scraze>thorgrin: I think the best option is to get slapd 2.4.25-3 from wheezy through pinning
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14:41<scraze>thorgrin: /msg me if you want a detailed instruction (saving the channel some flood :])
14:41<tesseract>ty MrFrood
14:41<thorgrin>dpkg: tell me about pinning
14:41<Misa3l_>buenas tardes.. alguien habla español?
14:41<Misa3l_>i need help in port parallel? XD
14:42<babilen>scraze, thorgrin: Don't do this if this evern remotely resembles a production system. (slapd seems to imply that)
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14:44<thorgrin>babilen: don't worry. This is pure testing school project But thanks for the warning. What would be the solution for production system?
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14:47<babilen>One could backport slapd from sid -- /msg dpkg ssb -- explains how.
14:47<babilen>.checkbackport slapd
14:47<babilen>,checkbackport slapd
14:48<judd>Backporting package slapd in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.1), libdb5.1-dev.
14:48<babilen>As you can see you also have to backport dpkg-dev and libdb5.1-dev.
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14:50<scraze>thorgrin: the corresponding bug has officially been declared fixed as of 2.4.25-4 which is the version from sid - someone reported it working with 2.4.25-1 so I assumed 2.4.25-3 would be safe, but perhaps it might be worth doing it through babilen's suggestion instead
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14:52<babilen>One should generally mix stable *only* with backports (/msg dpkg backport) and nothing else. If a backport is not available on yet one can create one manually by following the "simple sid backport" instructions (ssb) -- This particular package also requires you to backport its build-dependencies (libdb5.1-dev and dpkg-dev and installing them first.
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14:54<thorgrin>there is no backport for slapd, so I have to use sid a.k.a. unstable
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14:55<thorgrin>and what is the reason for using deb-src instead of deb?
14:55<thorgrin>when backporting from sid
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14:57<scraze>with my feeble understanding of the matter, I shouldn't try to answer that question, but I presume you're recompiling the debianized source of the newer version of the package for your repo
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14:59<babilen>scraze: exactly -- You recompile the sid package for squeeze (aka "create a backport")
14:59<jerryclunsford>bjb_: ever hear of a usb mouse laser flashing on and off rhythmically?
14:59<babilen>Which is also the reason why one downloads the *source* package from sid.
15:00<babilen>jerryclunsford: Mine did that shortly before it died completely
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15:01<thorgrin>babilen: what does "recompile for squeeze mean?" is it making compatible with squeeze libraries? or something else?
15:01<jerryclunsford>Well I installed squeexe and my usb devices are not detected except for flash drives and they work fine when I plug in a usb mouse it just flashes and is not detected
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15:03<jerryclunsford>I tried 2 mice, a keyboard and joystick none of them where detected
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15:05<kb1rma>Hey does anyone have experience running UCARP behind a NAT?
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15:06<kb1rma>I'm having trouble with the router blocking the multicast address (default
15:07<babilen>thorgrin: You are compiling on squeeze and against the squeeze libraries. (if they are actually in squeeze, dpkg-dev and libdb5.1-dev are not in the required version in squeeze, so you need to backport them as well)
15:07<kb1rma>An external IP is being forwarded to the ucarp virtual IP but only works with one host
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15:07<kb1rma>when the other host takes over, the external IP no longer forwards, however it works properly from within the local network to the virtual IP
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15:13<darksim>i'm a noob to this linux thingy
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15:15<ompaul>darksim: we are noobs at telepathy ;-) , it works like this, if your question is debian related then you tell us the version, you tell us the what happened, what you thought should have happened, and then when you are asked to pastebin you use and then we all get to resolution fairly fast, if you follow advice in random blogs you most likely will have problems stick with the wiki the dot org site and it will all go brilliantly for you :) oh
15:15<ompaul>and welcome to gnu/linux the choice of a debian generation
15:16<darksim>Thank you
15:16<darksim>now where do i go from here
15:16<ompaul>what do you want to do with it?
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15:16<ompaul>you can do anything or nothing
15:17<ompaul>but you can't do everything (on the first day anyway ;-))
15:17<darksim>lol so true
15:17<darksim>but i can try
15:17<ompaul>na, you can't even get close to trying trust me - there are over 20k programs, of which each might have upward of 15 options each
15:18<darksim>lol i realize
15:18<ompaul>in some cases there are hundreds of options
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15:18<darksim>The first i was trying out is the Im's
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15:19<ompaul>ok, so let me break that down for you, IM instant messaging is a way to talk machine to machine, however you have tumbled into #debian an IRC chat room devoted to debian support
15:19<ompaul>so this is a one to many medium
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15:20<darksim>well actually the Im's are for me to keep in touch with my contacts on the other side
15:20<darksim>I came here for litttle assist
15:20<darksim>just this is my first time
15:20<darksim>so i trying to get little contacts if possible
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15:21<ompaul>the use of short lines is discouraged as it causes the screen to scroll by, so do full lines tell us a specific issue and lets see who takes your question on, and take it from there, also useful for you to say what version of debian you are using and is it GNOME or KDE
15:21<ompaul>(there are many other options there but those are the most common)
15:22<darksim>oh ok
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15:22<darksim>well i'm using linuxmint 11
15:23<ompaul>darksim: you are in the wrong channel, this is #debian one moment
15:23<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
15:23<darksim>lol sorry
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15:24<ompaul>darksim: so you need to do something like /server and /join #linuxmint-help
15:24<Misa3l_>Quizás quisiste decir: compre una pci para puerto paralelo y no me da la direccion 0x378 sino que me da la direccion 0xe800 quiero saber si puedo
15:24<darksim>oh ok thatnks see ya
15:24<Misa3l_>Escribe texto o la dirección de un sitio web, o bien, traduce un documento.
15:24<Misa3l_>traducción del español al inglés
15:24<Misa3l_>buy a pci parallel port and does not give me the address 0x378 but that gives me the direction I want to know if I can 0xe800 want to know if the default is or is 0xe800 0x378?
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15:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:25<Misa3l_>I need to practice the famous "turn led" XD
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15:28<ompaul>Misa3l_: /join #debian-es
15:28<ompaul>Misa3l_: stop
15:28<Misa3l_> debian-s no help! :S
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15:28<Misa3l_>no people
15:28<Misa3l_>no person -.-"
15:28<ompaul>Misa3l_: #debian-es
15:29<ompaul>es not s
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15:31<thorgrin>I'm trying to backport slapd from sid. It seems that I need dpkg-dev and debhelper, but I need to update both of them and each depend on each other. What is the solution to this?
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15:31<dpkg>methinks sbs is Simple Blog System. See
15:32<ompaul>!tell thorgrin about ssb
15:32<ompaul>thorgrin: the info from the bot should sort you out
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15:36<nik_>remind me again, how do I write the output of a command to a file? is it using echo?
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15:37<thorgrin>ompaul: thaks. It looks like installing from squeeze-backports should work
15:37<ompaul>thorgrin: you are welcome
15:37<ompaul>nik_: action over here | tee > foo
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15:38<jonn>nik_: you redirect the standard output/error to a file. echo 'blah' > file.txt
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15:38<jonn>sorry I see ompaul already replied
15:39<nik_>so if I want to write the output of
15:39<g0rs>is anybody writing device drivers for debian here?
15:39<nik_>lspci -vvv to abc.txt
15:39<nik_>what would I write?
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15:39<jonn>nik_: lspci -nn > abc.txt
15:39<scraze>ompaul: with | tee > foo the output only prints to foo, not to stdout - you meant | tee foo right?
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15:40<nik_>oh, okay
15:40<scraze>g0rs: device drivers are probably written for linux, not debian :]
15:40<nik_>I was using echo which is writing just the command
15:40<g0rs>scraze: i meant linux, sorry
15:40<g0rs>scraze: do you write software for linux
15:40<scraze>g0rs: :p if noone reacts here, perhaps people in #debian-devel .. I'm certainly not writing (real) software, sadly :]
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15:41<g0rs>i'm assuming that almost all drivers for linux are already writen unless there is something new gadget invented
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15:42<scraze>not quite, there is still a lot amount of hardware out there with only proprietary drivers
15:42<g0rs>scraze: are you talking about generic drives for devices like cameras, printers , hard drives , flash /nand memories etc
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15:43<g0rs>lot of hardware is not generic so there is proprietary support from hardware vendors themselves.
15:43<scraze>yes, for instance - the Terratec H7 receiver
15:44<babilen>g0rs: Drivers are typically developed for Linux (i.e. the kernel -- What are you really interested in?
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15:45<g0rs>babilen: nothing in specific, perhaps something to do with file systems, nand , hard drives ( eSATA) or peripherals in general
15:45<jonn>why is it that sometimes I click on the speaker icon and I get a window with 'Volume Control: HDA...' and other times , seemingly at random, I get a window with a title of Sound Preferences, and a completely different UI, instead?
15:46<ompaul>jonn: right vs left click?
15:46<kb1rma>does anyone know how to get UCARP to use broadcast instead of multicast in /network/inferfaces?
15:46<babilen>g0rs: That covers a wide spectrum of kernel development -- You might be interested in
15:46<kb1rma>is there a script that's called?
15:47<jonn>ompaul: I just tried that, and if I right click I get a context menu.. so it's not that :-S
15:47<g0rs>scraze: the gadget for usb hdtv is interesting
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15:47<g0rs>babilen: thanks
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15:48<g0rs>babilen: is there an irc channel for kernel developers?
15:48<ompaul>unlikely they tend to hang out on the linux kernel mailing lists but not too much the volume is insane
15:49<g0rs>babilen: there it is
15:49<steinex>well, there is #kernelnewbies
15:49<steinex>some kernelhackers hang out there
15:49<steinex>i think its on freenode, but not sure.
15:49<ompaul>steinex: that here or freenode?
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15:49<g0rs>its on oftc
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15:52<jonn>ompaul: maybe some problem with it reverting from PulseAudio to Alsa? or vice versa?
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15:53<ompaul>jonn: that can be fun, generally I get an audio device, turn it on, play music as background and get on with my life
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15:55<jonn>ompaul: audio works fine. it's just every now and then I get a completely different UI when I click on the sound icon in the gnome panel. not sure if it's a bug at all. I had a look on Google but could only find a person with a similar problem using mint not debian :-S
15:56<ompaul>jonn: I don't do gnome so I guess I am not in the cross section of society you may have a similar experience as :)
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16:05<jillsmitt>my wifi rtl8192se does not work in debian, how can i fix it?
16:06<jillsmitt>my wifi rtl8192se does not work in debian, how can i fix it?
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16:07<woden>how do I manually copy an epiphany profile to another computer?
16:07<cthuluh>!tell jillsmitt -about rtl8192se
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16:12<sumpter>hey how do i launch installed .deb packages?
16:12<sumpter>i downloaded chrome from the internet, but it's not showing up on the gui
16:12<devil>sumpter: start it from konsole as user
16:13<sumpter>devil ?
16:13<sumpter>devil how?
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16:13<devil>write chrome & and hit enter
16:13<Torsten_W>google-chrome does make a menu-entry
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16:14<sumpter>i don't see one
16:14<sumpter>its not chromium, its chrome
16:14<Torsten_W>i know, what chrome is
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16:14<Torsten_W>and i have a menu-entry here
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16:16<jillsmitt>when i have installed firmware should i reboot after installation process?
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16:16<sumpter>torsten_w sorry i meant no disrespect. I don't have one for chrome though. Are you running Debian, with gnome?
16:16<Torsten_W>i'm running xfce
16:16<NIN>jillsmitt: usually it should be sufficient to reload the module...
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16:17<jillsmitt>!tell jillsmitt -about reload module
16:17<ompaul>!tell jillsmitt selftell
16:17<ompaul>!tell jillsmitt about selftell
16:17<sumpter>how would i install xfce?
16:18<sumpter>i tried apt-get but it didn't find the package
16:18<Villain>ahh ya beat me
16:18<ml|>sumpter: /msg dpkg install xfce4
16:20<sumpter>downloading now
16:20<Torsten_W>maybe an update-menus is enougth
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16:20<jillsmitt>and how to know module name?
16:20<Torsten_W>for having a menu-entry install a other DE?
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16:21<sumpter>torsten_w didnt help
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16:22<NIN>jillsmitt: lsmod | grep rtl - maybe you find it there if it is loaded, or just reboot...
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16:23<sumpter>torsten_w how do i start xfce now?
16:23<jillsmitt>interesting, i install firmware-realtek but lsmod | grep rtl shows nothing
16:24<NIN>then the module simple wasn't loaded, I think the easiest for you would be a simple reboot.
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16:25<NIN>you could of course search for it via find in /lib/modules/`uname -r` but I don't know...
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16:28<sumpter>torsten_w it says another session manager is open when i try startxfce4
16:28<sumpter>so i assume i need to close my current one, I just don't know how to
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17:17<Cire>Who's good at approx labor times on a job ?
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17:20<ompaul>Cire: it is always skills dependant
17:20<ompaul>Cire: divided by resources and multiplied by the quality of the coffee
17:21<ompaul>Cire: so what is your real debian quesiton
17:21<Cire>LOL, coffee is always top notch !
17:21<Cire>Fresh install Debain and Rsync
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17:21<Cire>with one windows box backing up would be job complete
17:22<Cire>just an approx,
17:22<ompaul>that does not parse, what is the function of windows in this?
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17:23<Cire>windows is the file server being backed up over the net to the rsync server. Debain acting as the backup location off site
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17:24<ompaul>Cire: ok, the windows side, install cygwin rsync and ssh with other deps as needed - depends on network speed dsl call it an hour - far away box call it an hour also scripting 15 minutes to test and prove then test
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17:24<ompaul>Cire: that allows the bandwidth to be reasonable for all tasks, then it down to the hardware
17:25<Cire>And the Linux box install ?
17:25<ompaul>its in there
17:25<ompaul>far away box
17:25<Cire>a few hours ?
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17:25<ompaul>if you spend more than three hours on it you need new hardware
17:25<ompaul>the bit that will get you is the backup script
17:25<Cire>..... Ok, thought it was taking a while. Been a few weeks.
17:26<Cire>yea, that I get
17:26<ompaul>doing it right from winodws is a pain
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17:26<ompaul>and that is not a matter for #debian
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17:26*ompaul just realised how offtopic he was :)
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17:26<Cire> **THUD** oops.... My bad
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17:27<Cire><--- Noob
17:27<ompaul><-- grumpy old git
17:28<Cire>HA !
17:28<Cire>Thanks Sir !
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17:34<casa>i need help which one is better ubuntu or mint
17:34<Bushmills>now how will you get that help? and where?
17:35<casa>well i was trying to install linux mint ver 11 and it dont have the exe
17:35<ompaul>casa: you need debian to understand
17:36<Bushmills>maybe linux from scratch will appeal to you
17:36<ompaul>Bushmills: you could be right there
17:36<Bushmills>it actually comes with a catchy acronym: LFS
17:37<ompaul>which stands for linux from scratch :)
17:37<casa>when i go to download i dont know which one to download is to many
17:37<Bushmills>how did you guess :)
17:37<ompaul>oh, I'm not too sure.
17:37<Bushmills>!tell casa about netinst
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17:38<ompaul>casa: what is your processor?
17:39<casa>i download the 64bit USA freedom but when i try to install and run it from window 7 it dont have the exe
17:39<Bushmills>that sounds like a problem with windows 7
17:39<Bushmills>it may be lacking the binary compatibilty mode, required to run linux
17:40<ompaul>casa: you boot the machine with this in the CD rom drive see the netinstall cd it is all yo uneed as long as the machine is connected by wire to the internet you can get rid of that windows virus
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17:40<Bushmills>your windows distribution may be incomplete
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17:41<ompaul>casa: basically linux is a replacement / alternative system to windows - so it lives in a world where .exe is a mistake and error in thinking design and execution
17:42<casa>so what do i have to doo
17:42<ompaul>casa: you are in #debian which helps people with then Debian GNU/Linux system - you can install debian if you like
17:43<casa>is the same as linux mint
17:43<ompaul>casa: else we remember your nick from some other day
17:43<Bushmills>i'd call the microsoft support line, and ask for the linux compatibility modules
17:43<ompaul>it is similar you could say it is Mints daddy
17:43<casa>yes becouse i had the linux mint 10 ver and i was trying to install the 11 ver but it dint work
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17:44<ompaul>so then you know what linux is - go get yourself debian and be happy we gave you the links
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17:45<casa>so download debian the lestest one
17:45<ompaul>I just pointed you at it
17:45<streuner__>!tell casa about mint
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17:45<ompaul>lastest stable
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17:47<casa>do is debian easy to use?
17:47<streuner__>if you able to read and learn
17:48<casa>it just that linux mint is similar to window
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17:48<casa>right know i have ubuntu 11.10 ver but i dont like it.
17:48<streuner__>no, Linux is Unix after all
17:48<streuner__>if you want windows, you shouldnt change
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17:49<casa>before i had window 7 and linux 10 ver, two OS
17:50<devil>casa: linux 10?
17:50<streuner__>ubuntu 10
17:50<streuner__>whatever 10 is...
17:51<casa>i was trying to get the new one but which is 11 ver
17:51<f0rk>streuner__: 17:43 < casa> yes becouse i had the linux mint 10 ver and i was trying to install the 11 ver but it dint work
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17:51<streuner__>f0rk: whatever mint or bunt, its just a waste of time...
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17:53<f0rk>streuner__: convincing this guy to use linux or those distros?
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17:55*devil opts in for both
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18:08<PovAddict>how do I enlarge a tmpfs?
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18:12<iuriguilherme>casa did not told us that he is running ubuntu in a vm
18:13<iuriguilherme>probably he was asking if mint has wubi
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18:13<iuriguilherme>which it doesn't
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18:13<iuriguilherme>i mean not even vm but directly under windows
18:13<themill>PovAddict: at runtime or are you looking for /etc/default/tmpfs?
18:14<PovAddict>at runtime -- just found -o remount,size=2G
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18:14<PovAddict>I wanted to put a 1GB file in a ramdisk and /dev/shm was 768M
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18:30<Nesto>So I've been using Ubuntu for a while... but it's pissed me off
18:30<Nesto>Now I have debian installed
18:30<Nesto>I'm trying to install xchat on there but idk how to
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18:31<Nesto>so can anyone help me out?
18:32<devil>Nesto: apt-get install xchat?
18:32<devil>same as ubuntu
18:32<f0rk>not from the gui it isn't
18:32<Nesto>i tried that
18:32<Nesto>not the gui... what gui?
18:32<f0rk>like thing with windows and pictures that you use a mouse with
18:33<devil>f0rk: whywould you want that?
18:33*PovAddict glares at devil
18:33<devil>for adminstrative jobs
18:33*devil glares back at PovAddict
18:33<Nesto>I try sudo apt-get install xchat
18:33<f0rk>devil: I wouldn't :) but some people use these things
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18:33<f0rk>Nesto: what did that command output?
18:33<devil>Nesto: debian has a real root.
18:33<Nesto>I get the ero "nesto1000 is not in sudoers file"
18:34<devil>Nesto: either become root with su/sux or setup sudo
18:34<f0rk>you need to `su - root`
18:34<Nesto>so type su -root then?
18:34<f0rk>su - root
18:34<PovAddict>with the space
18:34<f0rk>(note the spaces)
18:34*PovAddict always sets up debian to use sudo instead of a 'real root', and then many things break because they expect to use 'su' by default, such as aptitude
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18:35<Nesto>so "su -root username pass"?
18:35<f0rk>I set up sudo *and* real root
18:35<heikkila>aptitude doesn't break by sudo
18:35<f0rk>Nesto: no
18:35<f0rk>su - root
18:35<f0rk>you will be prompted for a password
18:35*devil never used sudo but in scripts
18:35<PovAddict>heikkila: the 'become root' item in the menu is what breaks
18:36<Nesto>you know what...
18:36<Nesto>I just noticed the "root terminal"
18:36<PovAddict>heh, that will work too :)
18:36<heikkila>PovAddict, do you mean 'root terminal'?
18:37<heikkila>Or all admin tasks
18:37<Nesto>man I was freaking out over nothing!! xD
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18:38<PovAddict>heikkila: run aptitude as a normal user, go to "Actions -> Become root" in the aptitude menu bar, and it will try to use su
18:38<PovAddict>even if you told the Debian installer to use sudo from the beginning and not give root a password
18:39<Nesto>so on to the next issue...
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18:39<heikkila>PovAddict, oh, I never use the aptitude ui, just cli
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18:39<Nesto>how can I install firefox? lol
18:39<heikkila>Nesto, install Iceweasel
18:39<devil>Nesto: its callede iceweasel in debian
18:39<Nesto>so apt-get install iceweasel?
18:40<heikkila>Nesto, if you are using Debian squeeze and want a more recent Iceweasel you can follow instructions here:
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18:41<PovAddict>"more recent", from a page that only lists up to 3.6? *mistrust*
18:42<Nesto>looks like I'm up to date
18:42<heikkila>PovAddict, release is the latest release
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18:46<heikkila>I guess it's the most practical, so you don't have to change your repo every time Firefox makes a new release.
18:46<PovAddict>I don't; I use testing :P
18:47<PovAddict>so I already get a new-enough iceweasel
18:47<Kirsten>#debian-next provides support for testing
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18:48<PovAddict>Kirsten: I didn't think the command for resizing a tmpfs would have changed between stable and testing
18:49<Kirsten>unlikely i agree, but u newer know
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18:51<heikkila>PovAddict, very well. The advice was directed to Nesto (and it considered squeeze).
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18:55<angelito0>necesito ayuda
18:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:55<DebianSick>someone know if the right configuration for maintainers in pbuilder is with SID?
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18:57<heikkila>DebianSick, sounds like a query for #debian-next
18:57<DebianSick>heikkila thanks
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18:57<DebianSick>and sorry
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18:59<heikkila>DebianSick, unless you mean something else with SID than the experimental version of Debian?
19:00<DebianSick>heikkila yes
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19:02<DebianSick>heikkila i have 2 packages in ITA and i want to packaging, i assume the right choice is SID
19:04<themill>DebianSick: I presume you've carefully read through the new maintainer's guide at this stage…
19:04<DebianSick>themill yep
19:04<DebianSick>but i have some troubles with sid in pbuilder
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19:35<diego>hi guys, I just updated and gnome3 got installed and I think it really sucks, any way to make it look like gnome2
19:35<diego>this totally sucks
19:36<diego>I want all my icons, multiple desktops
19:36<diego>this gnome3 is like windows!
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19:36<diego>its even worse than the new gmail design
19:36<diego>I would like to avoid downgrading if possible to make this look like the old one
19:36<diego>there is not even a minimize button in the windows!
19:37*Black_Prince laughs @ "worse than the new gmail design"
19:37<Black_Prince>diego, use fallback mode if you like.
19:37<diego>really , they totally screw up
19:37<diego>fallback mode looks the same shitty way to me :S
19:38<Black_Prince>It is more like gnome 2 :)
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19:38<Black_Prince>metacity+gnome-panel ... Isn't that what gnome 2 uses?
19:38<diego>I will try logging off and on , but ...
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19:40<diego>Heya, you were right, fallback looks a bit better
19:40<diego>still pretty shitty, I want my desktop and top bar icons back
19:40<Black_Prince>panel isn't the same ... But it feels like gnome 2
19:41<diego>and the hour on the right
19:41<diego>and this shitty gnome3 is too big like gmail new ugly buttons
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19:42<diego>so, anyone knows how to tweak this gnome3 lol ?
19:42<Black_Prince>gnome-tweak-tool, gconf-editor, dconf-editor and gnome-control-center
19:42<Black_Prince>choose whatever you like ...
19:42<diego>:) lets try
19:42<Black_Prince>yeah, they did pretty good job of hiding of some settings
19:42<Black_Prince>But, not hard to find :)
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19:47<diego>thw worse thing is that every site and every system seems to be screwing up ... I dont know how they believe this new design is better lol
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19:48<diego>kde also did something alike
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19:49<Black_Prince>Linus Torvalds described gnome 3 as unholly mess :) ... But, we are not the same. If some of us does not like it, some do like it.
19:50<Black_Prince>It has still some minor drawbacks ... But even I don't like the idea of fixing desktop that was not broken. :-|
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19:50<diego>I could just recover my desktop
19:51<diego>still cant recover my launch buttons in the top bar
19:51<Black_Prince>panel is changed ...
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19:52<DebianSick>diego try erasing the .config .gnome2 .gconf and re-loging
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19:54<blueVenom>what would be the best channel for help with my ati radeon hd 5870?
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19:56<diego>ok, will try
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19:58<blueVenom>perhaps someone in here could help me figure out what's going on with my graphics card?
19:59<Black_Prince>blueVenom, well maybe if you ask.
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20:07<blueVenom>i have an ati radeon hd 5870...debian 3.0.0-1-amd64...and installed script from and now i have an issue with shared library
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20:09<metaspike>hi blueVenom i also have an ati radion hd however i used the respository to install the non-free driver and it works fine.
20:09<blueVenom>just the fglrx driver?
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20:10<roddie>I have a friend who's bought a secondhand iPod and wants to keep some of the music that is currently stored on it before syncing it with her iTunes. Are there any tools in the repos that would allow me to do this?
20:11<blueVenom>metaspike...fglrx-driver and fglrx-glx?...or should i get the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd?
20:11<Black_Prince>dpkg, fglrx
20:11<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. #ati on
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20:12<Black_Prince>and iirc, fglrx does not yet work with xorg server 1.11.x
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20:12<metaspike>blueVenom, what i got was... fglrx-glx fglrx-driver fglrx-modules-dkms . after install i had to run aticonfig --initial as super user.
20:12<Black_Prince>roddie, gvfs and libimobiledevice could work ...
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20:14<metaspike>roddie, ive had succes with gtkpod
20:14<blueVenom>i will try that metaspike
20:14<blueVenom>thank you
20:15<roddie>Thanks, I'll check out both those suggestions
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20:15<Black_Prince>gvfs has backends for accessing idevices through libimobiledevice
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20:16<metaspike>blueVenom, you should ask dpkg about it as stated above though. it doesn't hurt to have all the info.
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20:16<blueVenom>hey dpkg maybe so i can get all the facts on my radeon hd?
20:16<Black_Prince>blueVenom, dpkg is a bot.
20:17<metaspike>dpkg. tell blueVenom dpkg
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20:18<blueVenom>dpkg, fglrx dkms
20:18<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
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20:19<Black_Prince>blueVenom, you can also use /msg dpkg keyvalue, eg /msg dpkg fglrx dkms
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20:21<metaspike>it seems dpkgbot isn't interested in trivial like aticonfig. let us know how it goes bluevenom.
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20:27<scraze>is there an HTTP interface for dpkg that returns XML/JSON instead of a full HTML page? (otherwise I'm scripting something to parse the output of :])
20:29<abrotman>for dpkg the bot ?
20:29<abrotman>scraze: please do not abuse that server .. what are you really trying to do ?
20:30<scraze>indeed for the bot .. my aim is to have something I can call in the terminal instead of using the browser
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20:32<abrotman>scraze: why not get the mysql dump of the data and setup your own DB server instead of scraping that site
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20:33<scraze>I wasn't going to scrape it, just use wget as browser instead of something more bloated like chromium... but that's certainly an awesome option, I'll check it out - thanks!
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20:34<abrotman>dpkg: tell scraze about your factoids
20:34<abrotman>scraze: a better question would have been "how can i get a local copy of dpkg's factoids?
20:34<scraze>yes, I was unaware that it was an option at all
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20:35<scraze>otherwise, I surely would've posed it.
20:36<babilen>scraze: You might want to read about "xy problem"
20:36<xun>dpkg, hold
20:36<dpkg>hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771.
20:37<babilen>xun: Please message the bot -- /msg dpkg hold
20:37<xun>I assume thats the easiest way to not have to upgrade to gnome-3? :)
20:37<abrotman>is to not use gnome .. it's coming sooner or later .. get used to it
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20:38<xun>yes, but I dont have the time right now to configure it all over again
20:38<metaspike>unless a worthy fork presents itself as linus suggested.
20:38<xun>so Im hoping to postpone it until later
20:38<babilen>xun: You can not keep *all* gnome/gtk packages on hold for the rest of time. Better accept it right now and get used to it. Gnome3 is quite usable IMHO and there are plenty of alternatives.
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20:39<abrotman>xun: you can try .. but things may stop working correctly
20:39<xun>babilen, no, not for the rest of time, ofc not, but I would like to postpone it until I have time do deal with it
20:40<babilen>xun: You can certainly postpone it, but I wouldn't wait too long.
20:40<xun>no, ofc not
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20:43<xun>hmm, that did not work as I expected (holding gnome), ofc it tries to update all deps
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20:44<babilen>No surprise there
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20:46<metaspike>i do have a basic understanding of "upstream" but i still think people should be able to run their computers how they want to, isn't that a big part of FOSS?
20:47<abrotman>metaspike: who is stopping you?
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20:49<xun>can I, with aptitude, hold all dependencies of a packge too?
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20:50<babilen>xun: something like "aptitude hold ~Rgnome" ?
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20:50<xun>i dont know, where can I find the docs on those search parameters?
20:50<babilen>xun: Why don't you just not update for the next 3 days and take care of it then?
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20:50<babilen>xun: aptitude documentation (search term reference)
20:51<xun>I dont like running an "outdated" system
20:52<xun>but I think that might be the easiest sollution, thx for your help anyway :)
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21:18<qboster>hi all. How can I use apt-get to install rsh-client package(actual package not virtual package )?
21:19<abrotman>in which version of linux ?
21:19<qboster>debian squeeze 6.0
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21:19<abrotman>judd: info rsh-client --release squeeze
21:19<judd>Package rsh-client (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: client programs for remote shell connections. Version: 0.17-15; Size: 31.7k; Installed: 124k
21:19<abrotman>seems to be it?
21:20<manishe>so what's the problem then?
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21:24<qboster>I had make a test package to depend on rsh-client in control file, and when I apt-get install this test package, the rsh-client package doesn't installed
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21:27<qboster>then I check the openssh-client provide the rsh-client, so apt-get doesn't install the rsh-client actual package, I don't know how to install rsh-client actual package, when my test package install
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21:34<manishe>deinstall your package then install rsh-client
21:34<manishe>and something must be wrong with your package, if it not forces apt to install depend packages
21:36<qboster>my package depend on rsh-client Version: 0.17-15
21:38<qboster>I seems find the way... writing rsh-client version in Depends field
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22:27<CaperucitaRoja>buenas... estoy tratando de compilar un módulo con module-assistant y no hay caso, alguien en toda la web veo gente con el mismo problema pero ninguna solución
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22:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:30<CaperucitaRoja>someone can help me whith a compile issue, with module-assistant, i don't know what can be
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22:30<cmr>CaperucitaRoja: Can you pastebin the error messages?
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22:32<CaperucitaRoja> /msg dpkg pastebin
22:32<mrpain>im having trouble installing mysql-server-5.1 and openssh-server heres the apatitude log
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22:37<CaperucitaRoja>also if someone knows how to send comands to vlc from console it would be an good alternative
22:38<CaperucitaRoja>i was looking arround rvlc but no luck
22:39<parshimers>is there anything that affects the character set of terminals besides the locale?
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22:39<cmr>parshimers: Font?
22:39<parshimers>thats been my thought, but, usually the behavior that happens
22:39<parshimers>is if the character doesnt exist in the normal font
22:40<parshimers>somehow that character is found in another font and displayed
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22:40<parshimers>is it part of xft?
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22:42<sney>mrpain: unknown paste id
22:42<dark_ac>hey guys , I'm using Ubuntu via Wubi on my laptop, the battery life isnt so good, even with lowered brightness, are there any tools to optimize it ?
22:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:43<cmr>dark_ac: powertop maybe, pm-utils, and the newer kernels have better power management (as in, 3.0 and up)
22:43<mrpain>1 hour
22:43<gsimmons>CaperucitaRoja: Known issue with the i2c driver (Debian bug #562512). If you don't need it, deselect via debconf ; /msg dpkg lirc
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22:45<CaperucitaRoja>gsimmons i will see, thanks very mutch
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22:55<CaperucitaRoja>bad luck with this try i got a generic, i deselect all i can, but still the same errors...
22:56<CaperucitaRoja>someone can help me whith a compile issue, with module-assistant, i don't know what can be
22:56<CaperucitaRoja>also if someone knows how to send comands to vlc from console it would be an good alternative
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22:59<sney>mrpain: see dpkg response below
23:00<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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23:06<mrpain>sney :
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23:10<sney>mrpain: hmm. well, it's related to vzquota, you could try doing 'update-rc.d -f vzquota remove' for the time being and the install will likely work
23:10<sney>mrpain: also, look in the bts for vzquota, see if anyone else has reported the same issue with its init script
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23:13<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
23:14<mrpain>no such package on the update-rc.d
23:15<sney>that's weird
23:16<sney>are you using openvz currently or just setting up?
23:16<mrpain>i blieve openvz
23:16<mrpain>lemme check
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23:18<mrpain>the control panel is solusvm
23:18<sney>oh, you're not the host. hmm
23:18<mrpain>no, vps renting
23:19<sney>it sounds to me like the openvz client stuff got corrupted on install. I don't know if it's safe to touch those on a vps. you should probably ask your hosting provider or maybe in #openvz on
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23:31<josmbrio>i just configured a driver for samsung ml-1915 printer, and now my laptop get freeze miliseconds every 3 or 4 seconds
23:31<josmbrio>what could be wrong?
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23:34<chl501>Does debian provide any prebuilt package for luster?
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23:37<mrpain>sney i forgotmy password on freenode :(
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23:54<chl501>I tried make-kpkg but it seems the parameter --added-patches has been removed
23:55<chl501>what is the replacement for this parameter?
23:55<chl501>I follow this page to build lustre fs
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