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---Logopened Mon Nov 14 00:00:32 2011
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00:28<Osiris_X>anyone know what is happening to version 4.2 of libgtkhtml-[|common-|editor-]4.0-0 - evolution 3.2 depends on it?
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00:40<metaspike>chl501, not sure, i used the "patch" command before, then compiled- and that worked for me
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00:45<jesus>hi i just got my compiz desktop cube workinjg but now i cant move my windows around anyone know how to fix this
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00:45<tale>jesus: Is this on Debian system? Which version?
00:45<jesus>no sorry ubuntu 11.10
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00:46<tale>jesus: Ask on Ubuntu channel.
00:46<jesus>ok thanks
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00:53<chl501>metaspike: do you mean `make-kpkg ... patch` ? currently i run with `make-kpkg ... debian` which seems the only command relates to patch. hope it works.
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01:46<ph4nt0m_x>is it just me or is everyone having flash issues on ubuntu
01:46<ph4nt0m_x>youtube vids just wont load
01:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
01:46<ph4nt0m_x>ok ty
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02:07<alazare619>so odd problem
02:08<alazare619>you know how synaptic and the root terminal usually ask if you wana save the password for this session forever etc
02:08<alazare619>im not prompted at all for that
02:08<alazare619>gnome-keyring is installed btw
02:08<alazare619>and libpam
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02:15<tale>alazare619: Are you running Gnome as desktop?
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02:16<alazare619>xfce tale
02:16<alazare619>never had this problem before
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02:16<alazare619>last install was xfce-live debian
02:17<alazare619>i just recently netinstalled
02:17<tale>alazare619: So remembering the root password worked before with xfce?
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02:17<alazare619>with debian-live xfce yes
02:17<alazare619>but after netinstall i havent been able to get it to work
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02:18<tale>alazare619: What did you netinstall?
02:19<alazare619>i reformated
02:19<alazare619>and netinstalled minimal debian
02:19<alazare619>then apt-get x11 etc
02:19<alazare619>then xfce meta
02:19<alazare619>synaptic gnome keyring etc
02:19<tale>alazare619: Perhaps you have not installed the part that does that "remember root password" stuff.
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02:24<tale>Bah, alazare619 left. Was going to tell it seems gksu is the package he is missing.
02:27<alazare619>i have gksu installed btw
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04:15<luiiisiitaa>kien tiene tuenti
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04:16<luiiisiitaa>ii tuu
04:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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04:16<kmz>ty weasel
04:16<luiiisiitaa>k dicee
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04:28<lac_>I am trying to download the SDK. I keep getting told I get told Failed to fetch URL, reason: Failure initializing default SSL context
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04:29<lac_>How do I find out what that means?
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04:47<boss>how do i get the driver for scanner
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04:49<ganesh>i want to have the support for the scanner Ricoh Aficio MP 2000
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05:16<shtrb>Hi , tdsodbc conflicts with libct4 and that makes that if person uses kde4 he cannot connect using freetds to SQL Server any ideas how to work around this issue ?
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05:37<mjrosenb>uhh, so it looks like my system is attempting to commit seppuku
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05:38<heikkila>How do you figure, mjrosenb?
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05:42<heikkila>mjrosenb, are you by any chance using wheezy or sid?
05:46<heikkila>That's why then, mjrosenb
05:47<mjrosenb>is this generic "unstable is unstable", or is something else wrong?
05:48<heikkila>mjrosenb, the /topic in #debian-next has some clues, which is the appropriate support channel for wheezy/sid
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05:49<mjrosenb>oh, my bad.
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06:06<szacs>hi there, if I want to install debian from a USB is it enough to use the CD 1?
06:07<szacs>i see there are 52 of them
06:07<cthuluh>yes it is
06:08<cthuluh>and please do not use unetbootin
06:08<szacs>then what? the dd command?
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06:09<cthuluh>yup, as stated in the official documentation
06:09<szacs>ok, thanks for attention
06:09<babilen>szacs: Are you on Linux right now?
06:09<szacs>hope to be back from debian
06:10<szacs>yes, using Kubuntu
06:10<babilen>!tell szacs -about usb install
06:10<babilen>szacs: In short: "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (replace /dev/sdX with the block device in question for your usb stick. For example "/dev/sdb")
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06:38<nslutje>does the swap partition have UUID?
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06:39<petemc>nslutje: run 'blkid;
06:39<petemc>erm, 'blkid'
06:39<nslutje>petemc: it sais not
06:39<petemc>/dev/sda5: UUID="9237c78e-22c6-4099-b6ad-d1c86bfa9fa9" TYPE="swap"
06:39<nslutje>petemc: /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap"
06:39<nslutje>is all I get
06:41<nslutje>petemc: it is a debian 5, I'm gonna update it to 6, but i've been advised to use UUID in fstab before updating
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06:44<Bea>que querias
06:44<ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB>como se qjuiutan las cosas esas
06:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:44<Bea>te pones en la ventana y en la parte derecha hay una flechta dale y pone suprimir gadget
06:44<Bea>dale y se quita
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06:47<Bea>editalo, dale donde pone google, abajo a la derecha pone Cambiar tema, dale y cambialo x
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06:48*gnugr nice job Ganneff ty
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07:04<aleksandar>hi people :)...I did the all apt pinning and adding testing and unstable but I can't install nothing from it...I use -t option
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07:08<aleksandar>so any ideas, resolving solution :) ??
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07:08<gnugr>aleksandar: for testing join #debian-next
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07:08<eli0>hey guys. i hope i'm not bothering you bet i have a problem, yesterday i installed debian on my machine Asus N53-sv and i have a wireless problem. after some time of using internet it disappear. wireless indicator near clock shows that everything is ok but it isn't, so if i want to use internet again, i need to restart wireless adapter manually or restart my computer. any ideas?
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07:09<gnugr>aleksandar: can you paste your sources.list in "" ?
07:10<aleksandar>gnugr, yes just a moment
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07:13<gnugr>aleksandar: that is a mess
07:13<gnugr>aleksandar: remove cdrom deb nad backports
07:13<aleksandar>gnugr, give a suggestion, btw I just forgot to paste in the unstable but its there
07:14<gnugr>aleksandar: check this out : "
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07:14<jillsmitt>hello again, i have realtek firmware installed and rtl8192se here, i am trying to find out how to enable my wifi card in debian 6 amd64
07:15<jillsmitt>can you help me?
07:16<gnugr>aleksandar: you don't need apt-pinning for any case
07:16<aleksandar>gnugr, but then there will be all the time updates from testing and unstable that I don't want to use
07:18<gnugr>aleksandar: testing is still testing, needs also base stable repos plus testing
07:18<gnugr>its up to you what you need
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07:19<gnugr>apt-pinning is if you use stable-testing-unstable repos
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07:20<aleksandar>gnugr, thx
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07:24*gnugr best is to stay with squeeze+backports as i do
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07:31<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>.
07:32<gnugr>jillsmitt:see this ^^^
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07:33<jillsmitt>gnugr, and i need to install 3.0 linux then?
07:33<gnugr>as you can see, yes i guess
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07:34<jillsmitt>gnugr, and there is no way to use current stable system? ^(
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07:35<gnugr>jillsmitt: please joi #debian-next and ask there
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07:36<gnugr>!realtek firmware
07:36<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su> and <r8712u> drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for the RTL8111D(L) and RTL8105E Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. Firmware required by the <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> drivers are all packaged since firmware-realtek version 0.34.
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07:49<gnugr>jillsmitt:check this source for firmware-realtek " "
07:50<jillsmitt>lets see
07:50<gnugr>i hope you can install them
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07:50<jillsmitt>if it possible then i will
07:51<gnugr>look for firmware-realtek_034_all.deb
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07:53<gnugr>then you can install rtl8192se driver
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08:12<winner>люди всем привет ?
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08:12<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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08:21<nslutje>normally when I use APT-GET INSTALL and I press <Tab> after a part of the name, I get a list of possibilities. I recently re-installed my ARM device, and now this <Tab> function does not work. Who's got an idea?
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08:22<tale>nslutje: the <tab> fills in names of files in the working directory. not package names.
08:23<heikkila>nslutje, if you are using bash it's probably the package 'bash-completion'
08:23<grove>tale: Some shells are smarter than that
08:24<nslutje>heikkila: ty
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08:24<tale>I have bash-completion installed, and apt-get install em<tab> does not show anything.
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08:25<heikkila>em<tab><tab> actually
08:25<jillsmitt>gnugr, i build source codes of rtl8192 and it works
08:25<jillsmitt>it must be added in wiki as a simplest way
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08:25<jillsmitt>because article there is very strange
08:25<tale>heikkila: Still not, even several tabs show nothing.
08:26<jillsmitt>anyway thanks gnugr
08:26<tale>heikkila: Is it in testing or something?
08:26<heikkila>tale, strange, it sure works fine for me
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08:26<heikkila>tale, squeeze
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08:27<heikkila>tale, but now I recall I had problems with that bash-completion one setup, when I had installed squeeze with English locale, but later changed to Swedish.
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08:28<heikkila>It actually didn't work at all and I didn't solve it.
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08:30<tale>heikkila: It is necessary to do: source /etc/bash_completion
08:30<tale>heikkila: That got apt-get install em<tab> working.
08:30*grove switched to zsh before bash started getting smarter completions, and with that I apt-get commands when completing after 'apt-get', and package names after 'apt-get install'
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08:50<heikkila>grove, I liked that typo-correction with zsh too :)
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09:18<hoshi411>i added sid to my sources.list but the package I want to install is not showing up in synaptic
09:18<hoshi411>I know im not getting any key server errors so it can;t be that
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09:18<hoshi411>im on linux mint debian
09:19<hoshi411>kernel 3.0 i686 dual core 32 bit
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09:19<themill>hoshi411: (a) ask the mint people, (b) be thankful that it's not working
09:19<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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09:19<hoshi411>themill: yes they don't know so I came here
09:19<weasel>too bad for you
09:19<weasel>we can't help you
09:19<weasel>we can't support anything that isn't exactly debian.
09:19<hoshi411>ok so can you help me with a debian question then?
09:20<themill>hoshi411: you might like to include the availability of clueful support as a consideration the next time you're choosing a distro.
09:20<weasel>but you're not running debian, are you
09:20<hoshi411>themill: well I do have debian powerpc running on my mac and use it full time . I ahve always loved and supported debian
09:21<hoshi411>that is why i switched from mint-ubuntu to mint-debian
09:21<hoshi411>on my pc
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09:21<themill>hoshi411: mint is not debian. We have no idea what they've done to it and we don't really want to know. Please ask them.
09:21<hoshi411>on my powerpc I am running squeeze
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09:22<hoshi411>themill: yes I understand that they have mixed stuff up and done who knows what.... my question is about the debian package system though
09:22<weasel>you haven't asked any questions yet tho
09:22<Goddess>will debian update more reguarly now than in the past. Before squeeze came out, lenny was stone age to me and NEWER an option to use at all.
09:22<hoshi411>if im on a dual core 32 bit system will i383 packages show up in apt to install?
09:22<Goddess>Im affaid squeeze will have the same problem in 3 years time if package versions is not updated at all
09:22<weasel>lenny is still good.
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09:23<themill>Goddess: debian is aiming to release every 2ish years. That's not going to change any time soon.
09:23*themill still has lenny machines too
09:23<hoshi411>for a dual core 32 bit x86 system do I need i383 packages or amd64?
09:23<hoshi411>that was my question
09:23<babilen>!tell Goddess -about stable
09:23<Goddess>themill > so if php 5.3.3 is the version now squeeze will also use this version in 2 years
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09:24<mcgregor>has anyone tried installing on a dell poweredge r210?
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09:24*weasel whines bitterly about hoshi411's question.
09:24<Goddess>babilen > thanks. Sadly this just makes debian useless to me
09:24<babilen>Goddess: Use a distribution that fits your needs then
09:25<themill>Goddess: I have a different perspective on that question though but I phrase it more in terms of php's problems, not debian's.
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09:25<hoshi411>so I am running squeeze stable and have gvfs 1.6.4-3 installed and working fine
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09:26<hoshi411>but when I added the sid repo
09:26<hoshi411>gvfs 1.8.2-2 does not show up in apt to upgrade
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09:26<themill>hoshi411: mixing sid and stable isn't a good plan. Be happy it hasn't worked so far and stop trying to do so.
09:26<hoshi411>computer is 32 bit dual core x86 machine with linux kernel 3.0 i686
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09:27<weasel>still sounds like your mint question to me.
09:28<Goddess>babilen > debian always suits my needs, i just need apt-get apache2 vsftpd. Nothing more. But why keep updating a old package instead of just releasing a updated version. Makes no sense. I would love to see why
09:28<heikkila>hoshi411, amd64 is for 64 bit cpu
09:28<babilen>Goddess: Debian stable is just that: stable (as in not changing)
09:29<hoshi411>heikkila: right but then why would the gvfs 1.8.2-2 package not show up in apt to upgrade?
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09:29<hoshi411>the only reason I can think of is that the sid repo does not support the kernel I have installed or something like that
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09:29<jillsmitt>i have two additional hotkeys on keyboard: Fn+F4 and Fn+F5 wich are decrease and increase volume
09:30<jillsmitt>but it does not work for me
09:30<Goddess>babilen > by that statement there will be no sercurity updates of packages at all in 2yrs, My point, why release a security update and not just a newer version including that same security patch.
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09:30<jillsmitt>how can i fix this problem, other Fn+F(X) keys work good
09:30<amitz>Goddess: I love debian because I can just leave an installation for years without getting into trouble in one of the upgrades.
09:31<nitalaut>may be someone knows why i'm unable to create a route ? ip route add default via table tunnel
09:31<nitalaut>RTNETLINK answers: No such process....ip r get
09:31<nitalaut> via dev tun0 src
09:31<nitalaut> cache mtu 1500 advmss 1460 hoplimit 64
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09:31<nitalaut>sorry (
09:32<jillsmitt>if i try asign Fn+F4 or Fn+F5 in gnome hotkeys utility there is no reaction
09:32<Goddess>amtiz > Sure i use it for simple hosts as well. But i hate to use old packages. There is a reason new verisons come out you know.
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09:32<heikkila>Yes, to make the web even worse.:(
09:33<nitalaut>Maybe someone know why I'm unable to create a route ?
09:33<babilen>Goddess: If you had read the factoid dpkg told you about you would be aware that Debian naturally does provide security fixes for stable and fixes critical bugs.
09:33<amitz>Goddess: debian keeps patching old packages with security update. As for your other statements, everybody to each of their own. *shrug*. too long to say what I mean anyway.
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09:34<dpkg>hello, dominick
09:34<Goddess>Sure i know, but why a security update of the same version and not just the newer version. Doest make sense. A new package can be deemed stable by developers just as easily as a old package. Thanks for your input both. Not that it makes sense
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09:35<laarmen>Goddess: When you upgrade a package to a new upstream version, you introduce some new code that is potentially buggy, hence potential source of instability on your system.
09:35<babilen>Goddess: Stable systems are important in production environments. Nobody wants to deal with constantly changing environments in terms of its behaviour, configuration and whatnot.
09:35<babilen>Goddess: Please realise that Debian's definition of stable is "not changing" and has nothing to do with "not broken" -- We work, however, very hard to ensure that packages in stable are, in fact, not broken or buggy.
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09:36<Goddess>laarman > Cant the developers test new packgaes and deem the stable, the packge doenst have to be old to be stable
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09:36<amitz>and shit happens.I like to err more into the conservative side hence I choose debian.
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09:36<XeonBloomfield>Is it possible to make user "a" and "b", where "b" has access to "a" files with X from XYZ chmod when file chown = "a:a"?
09:37<amitz>because bugs are really unpredictable depsite best effort.
09:37<Goddess>babilen > I get your point. Get mine. There is a reason new packages come out, if you ignore that fact, you seem rather crazy in my book
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09:38<Zaba>Goddess, developers' and system administrators' definitions of "stable" tend to differ
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09:38<amitz>XeonBloomfield: can you rephrase?
09:39<amitz>Zaba++ , but that person feels trolly so...
09:39<Goddess>Zaba > I know. But lets take an example. php 5.3.3 is out now. Does this mean that php developers have two years to make php 5.3.4 stable ? If this is not the case they are going nothing for 2yrs and just spend a few month adapting a package to the next release
09:39<XeonBloomfield>You create 2 users: "a", "b". Is it possible to give permissions for user "b" to access user "a" files with owner chmod, when chown of these files = "a:a"
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09:40<melmothX>XeonBloomfield: put "b" in group "a" and chmod accordly
09:40<heikkila>XeonBloomfield, probably not with owner chmod, but with other or group chmod
09:40<babilen>Goddess: That is exactly the reason why we are working on new stable releases that are well tested and ready for production. Debian stable is *not* a rolling distribution (/msg dpkg rolling) and will never be. Debian would be completely useless in production environments if it were. It should be noted that the development branches of Debian (testing/unstable) do receive new versions of packages, but those branches are in no way ready to be ...
09:40<babilen>... deployed on production systems.
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09:41<amitz>XeonBloomfield: also, depending on your need, sudo can do such thing too.
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09:41<XeonBloomfield>I know that this way is possible, but there are not any solution to give rights like I said to user "b"?
09:41<Goddess>babilen > I know all that. But what does the php developers do for 2 yrs now ?
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09:41<babilen>Goddess: There are, however, other ways to install new software version on stable (/msg dpkg bdo -- /msg dpkg ssb) but those will always remain seperate from the actual stable release.
09:42<Goddess>the php version that will be in debian 7 is not even releases yet, so they cant be preparing that version right
09:42<heikkila>XeonBloomfield, if you want only user a and b to access those files you could put user a and b in the same group, but if you want both a and b to own the same file, then I think you should use ACL lists for that.
09:42<Goddess>I cant see they develop anything at all in the 2yrs
09:42<babilen>Goddess: Develop against deployed versions. PHP is a mess anyway in regard to their definition of "backward compatibility"
09:43<themill>Goddess: bringing in a new php into stable would break existing applications in stable -- there's no way that can be allowed. (The fact that you want a newer php than the one in squeeze is sufficient proof that php fiddles with things in a disturbing way even for micro version updates)
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09:45<Goddess>btw. wasnt lenny out with 5.2.X when php said that wasnt supported anymore ? If this is true, isnst that a security problem
09:45<themill>Goddess: php in lenny still receives security fixes
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09:46<Goddess>themill > LoL that makes no sense when php said "Change its not supported anymore"
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09:46<Zaba>right, because your deployed and mission-critical php apps will automagically fix themselves to be compatible with the new version
09:47<Zaba>you really insist on missing the point, don't you?
09:47<themill>Goddess: umm... providing security fixes is entirely different to randomly redefining the syntax of the language.
09:48<heikkila>XeonBloomfield, Is it possible to give permissions for user "b" to access user "a" files with owner chmod, when chown of these files = "a:a". Well, yes, if you set "other" permissions to rwx (or just r--) then b can access those files, but user c (or whatever) can also access those files. I don't think a file can have two owners. Only several people in the same group, but I don't think b should be a member of group a, if there is user a.
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09:49<XeonBloomfield>have a nice day
09:49<anbe>XeonBloomfield, acls may help you, see setfacl/getfacl in the acl package
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09:50<XeonBloomfield>anbe: I know about ACL
09:50<XeonBloomfield>anbe: I was wondering if it is possible without it
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09:50<XeonBloomfield>have a nice day
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09:52<screenn>I'm using squeeze corporative ejabberd server with default mnesia database, but now implementing ldap infrastructure, maybe exists an easy way to migrate database?
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10:05<farmerbob>i'm having trouble with the iwlagn wifi driver for the intel centrino advanced-n wimax 6250...
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10:05<GTRsdk>farmerbob, what is or isn't happening?
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10:06<farmerbob>GTRsdk: i can scan and find networks...but i can't connect to a non-broadcast ssid with WPA(2).
10:07<farmerbob>GTRsdk: so i feel like the firmware, etc. are generally functioning...but WPA don't work.
10:07<GTRsdk>farmerbob, which version of Debian are you using?
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10:08<farmerbob>GTRsdk: sorry, squeeze.
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10:11<daleko>i need help
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10:11<GTRsdk>farmerbob, is it a stock kernel?
10:11<GTRsdk>daleko, what do you need help with?
10:11<farmerbob>GTRsdk: yes. fresh, stock install (amd64)
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10:12<daleko>with openoffice
10:12<szacs>hi all
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10:13<szacs>i have a fresh install of debian 6.0.3, what repository should i add to have most of packages?
10:14<@Ganneff>none, you already have it
10:14<szacs>i wanted to install emerald and got into dependecy hell
10:14<GTRsdk>daleko, Why not use LibreOffice instead of
10:14<@Ganneff>wth is emerald?
10:14<daleko>i dont know how
10:14<szacs>No package 'xrender' found
10:14<szacs>No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
10:14<szacs>No package 'libwnck-1.0' found
10:14<szacs>No package 'libdecoration' found
10:14<szacs>No package 'pangocairo' found
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10:15<daleko>just for a minute pls
10:15<heikkila>szacs, most... you can add repos. Like contrib and non-free.
10:15<farmerbob>GTRsdk: i'd appreciate any tips/direction...i've tried everything i've found on the wiki, in the install docs, on forums...
10:16<@Ganneff>the package names from szacs dont sound like debian packages
10:16<szacs>i tried to configure emerald from tarball
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10:16<GTRsdk>farmerbob, So you are trying to connect to a hidden WPA2 network?
10:16<szacs>then i need them
10:16<farmerbob>GTRsdk: yes. personal, not enterprise.
10:17<farmerbob>GTRsdk: though i think it's safe to assume enterprise won't work either.
10:17<@Ganneff>szacs: now, define "wanted to install". what are you actually doing?
10:17<szacs>downloaded emerald, unzipping the lzma
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10:18<szacs>started ./configure
10:18<babilen>szacs: You are aware that emerald is deprecated and has been replaced/integrated/whatever into "fusion"?
10:18<szacs>and at this point e get stucked
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10:18<GTRsdk>farmerbob, I haven't tried any connecting to a hidden WPA2 network, so I can't help with that. Does it work when it is not hidden?
10:19<@Ganneff>szacs: aha. then you want to hunt for the lib$foo-dev packages mostly
10:19<szacs>ok, what is the point?! I wanted my debian to look like Windows 7 (i like the look of it)
10:19<farmerbob>GTRsdk: open, non-hidden networks work fine.
10:19<szacs>i installed the package from gnome-look
10:19<farmerbob>GTRsdk: but i *have* to connect to wpa networks...for work, etc.
10:19<szacs>but to make some customisation i need emereld, i think
10:19<@Ganneff>szacs: so what? get the dev packages, build that thing, use it. if you dont see the point, then dont do it and live without...
10:20<farmerbob>GTRsdk: network-manager uses wpasupplicant, yes?
10:20<szacs>Ganneff, sorry if you missunderstood me
10:20<szacs>i just wanted to express my point, when i used that expresion
10:20<GTRsdk>szacs, What are you trying to do? Make Debian look EXACTLY like Windows?
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10:21<GTRsdk>farmerbob, I think so. It was possible for me to connect to a non-hidden WPA2 network. But I don't know how well hidden networks can be connected to.
10:21<szacs>GTRsdk, i like the freeness of linux and the skin of windows
10:21<szacs>i try to combine them
10:22<szacs>thats all
10:22<szacs>babilen, is there a replacement for emerald
10:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
10:23<GTRsdk>szacs, It is possible to get the backgrounds, but if you would want more Windows look, then I think you would be better using JULinux or Linux Mint. They both seem to be able to look like Windows
10:23<babilen>szacs: I can only repeat that emerald has been deprecated (AFAIK, but I don't follow compiz development that closely) -- you might want to discuss this in #compiz on and to my knowledge "emerald" has been replaced/integrated into "compiz fusion" (whatever that might be)
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10:24<jillsmitt>why use GNU/Linux to find Windows?
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10:24<szacs>babilen, thanks for your answer
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10:25<farmerbob>GTRsdk: do you know if there's any work on this sort of thing going on in wheezy?
10:25<wp>szacs: then why not just install Ubuntu..? it uses patched versions of libcario2 which supposedly look nice to people that like things that look nice
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10:25<szacs>i'n not so much after unity
10:26<szacs>u was an ubuntu user, but unity didn't convine me
10:26<jillsmitt>it may be replaced by shell
10:26<jillsmitt>gnome-shell* i think
10:26<GTRsdk>farmerbob, I think so. It wouldn't make sense for there to not be any work on it in Wheezy.
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10:27<jillsmitt>i want to ask, if i compile wifi drivers and installby own hands, then other stuff; if i will update debian in future - should i remake all i made now?
10:29<szacs>well sorry for bringing some hard questions, i though linux is cool for some reasons, one of them is that can ce configured as you wish [so unity is the opposit] i just wanted to make my debian look as i want, i didn't intend to make windows from it
10:29<wp>jillsmitt: i think you can compile your own module that will also have compatibility with other kernels. not sure what it's called.
10:30<wp>szacs: you can make gnome look how you want, but if you want it with minimal effort then there are other distros which look nicer , maybe, out of the box
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10:31<wp>szacs: hell you can even isntall teh windows TrueType fonts if you like
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10:31<szacs>wp i understand, but i preffer the rich package repositories of debian, or ubuntu
10:31<jillsmitt>wp, where can i find any instructions about module creation?
10:31<gsimmons>jillsmitt: The next stable release (wheezy) will have the in-tree rtl8192se driver provided; compiling/installing your existing out-of-tree driver will be unnecessary.
10:32<jillsmitt>gsimmons, good
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10:33<wp>gsimmons: it's a very good point :)
10:33<farmerbob>GTRsdk: GTRsdk: do you think it would make sense to file a bug report?
10:33<Zaba>gsimmons, except... the out-of-tree rtl8192{d,c,s}e is quite different from the in-kernel one. For example, with my rtl8192ce the in-kernel driver keeps crashing, whereas the one from doesn't.
10:33<Zaba>gsimmons, just by looking at the code one can tell that they've diverged somewhat. It's weird.
10:33<farmerbob>GTRsdk: ...against network-manager?
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10:33<GTRsdk>farmerbob, Sure, but ONLY if you did things the debian way
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10:34<farmerbob>GTRsdk: i can't imagine how i did anything any other way.
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10:34<farmerbob>GTRsdk: but i'm not sure what you mean.
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10:35<TCW>Is there a way to use network manager for a seldom plugged-in network-card (usb-wireless) but leave the main network connection (including the link to the internet) alone and NOT thinking the machine is offline?
10:35<farmerbob>GTRsdk: alternatively...should i try ndiswrapper?
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10:35<wp>szacs: if you're just looking to improve the look of gnome, a simple ~/.fonts.config and sub-pixel rendering (and hint enable/disable) may improve your experience. there are docs on the net
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10:36<wp>and he's gone.. was also going to mention dpkg-reconfigure fontsconfig-config
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10:37<GTRsdk>farmerbob, I am assuming that you followed the instrustions at ?
10:37<terceroeso>rocio jejejejeje
10:37<terceroeso>eza zoy yop
10:37<terceroeso>que haseis zicas¿
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10:38<farmerbob>GTRsdk: sure. then tried wicd/wpasupplicant. no joy.
10:38<farmerbob>GTRsdk: went back to network-manager...which shows available networks, etc...but never connects to wpa-secured hidden networks.
10:38<terceroeso>que hases?
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10:39<GTRsdk>farmerbob, Did you enter the SSID and the proper encryption type?
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10:39<terceroeso__>quienes soys?
10:39<grove>terceroeso__: Stop it!
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10:39<farmerbob>GTRsdk: repeatedly.
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10:39<terceroeso_>quienes sois?
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10:40<GTRsdk>farmerbob, and you are selecting WPA2 personal?
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10:40<farmerbob>GTRsdk: yes. i have an ubuntu machine that connects fine with the same settings.
10:40<gsimmons>Zaba: Not that weird. The in-tree drivers come from the vendor, adjusted to use common/shared routines and modified as necessary for inclusion in mainline. Have you filed a bug report about your issue?
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10:41<GTRsdk>farmerbob, have you typed the password correctly? and which version of Ubuntu?
10:41<Zaba>gsimmons, I got in contact with realtek regarding that issue, and they told me to use the out-of-tree driver, which didn't have that issue.
10:41<GTRsdk>because it may be better to use Debian WHeezy then
10:42<farmerbob>GTRsdk: yes. i've tried dozens of times.
10:42<farmerbob>GTRsdk: you think i should try wheezy?
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10:42<farmerbob>does anybody here use ndiswrapper?
10:42<GTRsdk>farmerbob, It probably wouldn't hurt to try. I have found Wheezy to be fairly stable. The non-LTS versions of Ubuntu get packages copied from Wheezy
10:43<farmerbob>GTRsdk: ok...i'm using older versions of ubuntu on a couple of laptops and they connect fine...i'm assuming it's the firmware/driver for this chipset in squeeze.
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10:45<GTRsdk>farmerbob, Yeah.
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10:47<wp>when is the 'kinda' scheduled release date for Wheezy? April 2012? ish?
10:48<GTRsdk>wp, I thought it was 2013
10:48<amoe>wp: June 2012 was the tentative schedule for the freeze
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10:49<amoe>I think squeeze was frozen for about six months? maybe more.
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10:49<wp>amoe: and when it's frozen it's only critical bugs/security issues?
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10:50<amoe>wp: yes
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10:51<amoe>I have no idea if the squeeze freeze was the average length though.
10:51<wp>just trying to work out when's a good time to upgrade ;-)
10:51<farmerbob>GTRsdk: ok. thanks...i'll try ndiswrapper on squeeze first...then wheezy.
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10:52<amoe>wp: don't worry about wheezy now, unless you want to use testing.
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10:54<wp>amoe: I could do with the newer kernel but I can wait..
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10:55<amoe>wp: if you have hardware issues with the squeeze kernel, report a bug.
10:56<wp>amoe: no bug. just there's support in kernel 3 for my chipset but there isn't in 2.6.39 which I'm running. SO , not really the kernel team's fault.
10:57<amoe>wp: I believe the policy of Debian kernel team is to backport new hardware support to the squeeze kernel, so it's useful for them to know about your chipset.
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11:01<wp>amoe: Oh well that's something I didn't know. Shall I just use reportbug?
11:03<amoe>wp: yes you can reportbug on the 'linux-2.6' package. They seem to be quite overloaded though, so if you need it urgently I would still do your own workaround in the meantime.
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11:04<wp>amoe: erm that was interestng. I just got a floating point exception in reportbug trying to report the bug!
11:04<amoe>wp, can you paste it?
11:04<amoe>(to a pastebin)
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11:04<wp>sure.. hang on
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11:08<amoe>interesting ;) the gtk ui seems to be buggy itself
11:08<wp>amoe: how do you report a bug to THAT? bit of a chicken and egg problem? ;)
11:08<amoe>I didn't even know it had a gtk ui, so there you go... I would just use reportbug -u text
11:09<amoe>here is the relevant bug fyi ;)
11:09<wp>amoe: it worked OK the last time I reported a bug using it in gtk mode. I've used it before console-only so I'll just do that.
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11:14<Tenacious>Hey Guys, I was wondering if anyone here would be able to help. I keep hitting a snag with custom udev rules on a custom kernel on an arm board.
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11:19<SynrG>Tenacious: maybe if you described the actual problem, you'd get more responses
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11:25<Tenacious>Haha, that's very true. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't talking to an empty room. Here's the issue: I am running a custom 2.6.29 debian kernel on a ts7200 arm board. When booting the kernel that a different employee (who has since left) made, Udev works fine. When I say that it works, I mean that it properly populates /dev with the custom udev rules that are on the board. When booting a new kernel, none of the udev rules come up and /dev doesn't proper
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11:35<bzed>Tenacious: that kinda sound slike there is some config option missing in your kernel
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11:35<GTRsdk>Are there old new packages on the Debian mirrors?
11:36<bzed>Tenacious: you might want to take the config from your former co-worker's kernel and build your kernel with that config
11:37<Tenacious>I took the /proc/config.gz config from his kernel and compiled it. This resulted in a properly working udev. Then, I changed the one thing I need to change (tun/tap support), and then that seemed to break udev.
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11:41<jillsmitt>i have cellphone with s60
11:41<jillsmitt>can i use some sync with debian?
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11:44<GTRsdk>jillsmitt, s60? I think as long as it can connect to the computer you can move files
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11:45<jillsmitt>GTRsdk, meant sms, contacts, not just audio\video
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11:46<heikkila>Like that NokiaConnect program? I suppose you can do that with that program anyway...
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11:47<jillsmitt>i will try, thanks
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11:48<SEJeff>Is apt-get deprecated in favor of aptitude?
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11:49<dpkg>rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see or
11:49<@Ganneff>see the "ask me about" part
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11:50<bzed>jillsmitt: gammu kinda works
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12:15<jillsmitt>how can i change interface language back to english?
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12:17<tale>jillsmitt: On whole systemn: dpkg-reconfigure locales
12:17<tale>jillsmitt: In your own account: GUI login screen should have it.
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12:19<XeonBloomfield>Question for native English speakers: Is writing "1 hours, 1 minutes or 1 seconds" is acceptable?
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12:20<drewdavis>XeonBloomfield: No. 1 hour, 1 minute, 1 second. You don't add 's' to the end unless it's plural.
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12:22<XeonBloomfield>drewdavis: Is "1 hour(s)" acceptable?
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12:23<drewdavis>XeonBloomfeld: No, not really.
12:25<themill>XeonBloomfield: both are commonly used, both are always slightly jarringly incorrect
12:25<kooll>it's acceptable if it makes the program writing it simpler ;)
12:25<XeonBloomfield>kooll: I like that way of thinking ;)
12:25<kooll>(else, there are functions to specifically deal with that kind of things)
12:26<kooll>ngettext might be a decent example
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12:29<jillsmitt>and how to change language in grub back to english?
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12:30<tale>jillsmitt: How did you change Grub language to something else than english?
12:31<jillsmitt>when i use debian installer cd in other language
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12:34<tale>jillsmitt: Check if the docs tell that:
12:35<jillsmitt>in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
12:35<jillsmitt>set lang=en
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12:36<babilen>jillsmitt: No, those files should not be edited by hand
12:37<jillsmitt>lets check then, time to sleep if its broken now
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12:37<babilen>jillsmitt: If you take a look at /etc/grub.d/00_header you will see the snippet "grub_lang=`echo $LANG | cut -d . -f 1`" -- set $LANG accordingly when regenerating grub.cfg with "update-grub"
12:38<babilen>or not
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12:40<jillsmitt>babilen, if i change it by hand, what errors can hapen in future?
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12:40<jillsmitt>today it works
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12:41<babilen>17:37:43 <babilen> jillsmitt: If you take a look at /etc/grub.d/00_header you will see the snippet "grub_lang=`echo $LANG | cut -d . -f 1`" -- set $LANG accordingly when regenerating grub.cfg with "update-grub"
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12:42<babilen>jillsmitt: That file is generated and will be overwritten, *always* configure grub2 in /etc/default/grub (read " info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
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12:42<babilen>jillsmitt: and familiarise yourself with the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ -- Those shouldn't be edited either with the exception of *_custom
12:42<jillsmitt>babilen, then i should first change locale in system, after that update grub?
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12:42<babilen>jillsmitt: Just make sure LANG is set correctly
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12:45<vesper>when i add jboss to eclipse it says missing classpath entry
12:45<vesper>can anyone help
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12:46<babilen>vesper: I would recommend #eclipse on if nobody can help you here (or even if ;)
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12:53<plopix>new perl-5.14 has removed my linux-image. Is there a guide to get back the kernel?
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13:02<babilen>plopix: I would recommend to pay attention to the actions proposed by apt-get/aptitude in the future to make sure that *you* don't remove the kernel in the future. You are experiencing the perl transition (see /topic in #debian-next) and it would be interesting to know what happens if you just install the kernel again. If that fails you can easily restore the system from your backup.
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13:03<babilen>plopix: I would recommend not to dist-upgrade right now and to pay close attention to what you are doing with your system. "Think when you type and think again before you hit enter"
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13:04<babilen>plopix: Given that the kernel packages depends on perl, this might turn out to be a tricky situation.
13:04<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
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13:07<babilen>plopix: Depending on what you did you *might* be able to manually downgade perl-base (and related packages you installed)
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13:07<babilen>No idea if that works though
13:08<bzed>plopix: make sure you have testing in your sources.list and then try to install a kernel. that should make it easier to bring toe old perl + a kernel back
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13:08<babilen>plopix: You should also consider to discuss this in #debian-next (wheezy/sid support channel)
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13:13<wullst>need help on possibel hardware failure. my network card seems broken. i feel a little lost. i'm on squeeze and use /etc/network/onterfaces for network configuration (not network manager etc. here).
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13:13<sney>wullst: ok, what happened?
13:13<wullst>here is what i did so far:
13:13<wullst>what happened:
13:13<wullst>i boot up.
13:14<wullst>i open my browser
13:14<tale>wullst: Use pastebin for long listings.
13:14<retrospectacus>wullst: type it all out before hitting enter
13:14<wullst>i try to access a web page and this fails: server not found.
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13:15<wullst>then i used the ifup/ifdown command to bring the interface up again and realized that i do not get an IP.
13:15<tale>wullst: You said it was hardware malfunction?
13:15<wullst>i suppose so because: the cable is not broken. the router is not broken. oher people here have net access.
13:15<wullst>on the ame router.
13:16<sney>wullst: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ?
13:16<tale>wullst: Do the link leds light up when you connect cable?
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13:16<mekt>dpkg, !enter >wullst,
13:16<dpkg>mekt: bugger all, i dunno
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13:17<penguin204>I have a problem with removing Iceweasel. If I do, Iceape gets installed, when I remove Iceape, Iceweasel gets installed.
13:18<mekt>how do you do the message direction with dpkg bot?
13:18<tale>mekt: Ask dpkg bot.
13:18<mekt>penguin204, try to remove package xul-runner ?
13:18<wullst>here's my interfaces file:
13:19<sney>mekt: only some of the factoids will prepend with someone's nick, most don't support that
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13:19<sney>wullst: which one is the one with the problem? wired?
13:20<babilen>mekt: "tell $NICK [-]about $FACTOID" -- It is an infobot so read the infobot manual.
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13:20<wullst>and strangely: all wired stuff, as i found out installing an extra ethernet card.
13:20<penguin204>mekt, Nope, removing Iceape still asks for Iceweasel and now also Xul-runner again.
13:21<tale>wullst: So you have two ethernet cards installed?
13:21<wullst>the interface cannot be brought up.
13:21<sney>wullst: since you apparently have network access through wifi now, can you install ethtool and run ethtool eth0?
13:22<wullst>ok. i'll try that
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13:22<wullst>yes now its two. the system does some renaming on boot up. but that's all.
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13:22<tale>wullst: Does it work if you remove the other card?
13:23<wullst>i installed the other card because it did not work.
13:23<wullst>run ethtool as root?
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13:23<sney>do it while the cable is plugged in
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13:24<wullst>i'll pastebin that...
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13:25<sney>the cable was connected when you did that?
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13:26<wullst>think so
13:26<sney>double check and if so then yep it's a hardware problem
13:26<wullst>you know what. i just uninstall the other card for reducing complexity
13:27<wullst>i'll be back in a second.
13:27<wullst>thanks so far
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13:38<penguin204>Sorry, had to quickly go earlier.
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13:40<g0rs>hi penguin204
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13:43<penguin204>I have an issue with Iceweasel. I'm trying to uninstall it, attempting to remove it installs Iceape, and removing Iceape installs Iceweasel again. I've removed Xul-runner but that's not changed anything.
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13:45<Qazjap11>Hello, when I try to modify the "Server" header in apache, adding 'Header set Server "XYZ"' to the virtualhost conf it doesn't work, although with other headers it does. Does anyone knows how to bypass this limitation? Thanks. (version: 2.2.16)
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13:48<retrospectacus>Qazjap11: that's probably a question for #httpd on
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13:50<Qazjap11>retrospectacus, thanks
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13:51<retrospectacus>penguin204: your system is insisting on having a web browser installed.
13:52<penguin204>retrospectacus: I have chromium installed which is what I wish to use, therefore removing Iceweasel.
13:53<retrospectacus>that should work. How did you install chromium?
13:54<penguin204>Via Synaptic (essentially apt-get install chromium)
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13:55<cooldude>im having trouble mounting a drive /dev/sdb1 63 781417664 390708801 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT, says special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
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13:56<retrospectacus>penguin204: mysterious. Both provide gnome-www-browser
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13:56<jordanm>cooldude: did you just partition it? check fdisk -l to make sure the device name has not changed?
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13:58<cooldude> havnt partitioned it, i had windows on my 80 gb drive and sdb is my biugger drive, i just trashed windows and through debian on the primary drive. knoppix and ubunu live will open my other drive just not in here for some reason
13:58<retrospectacus>cooldude: does /dev/sdb1 exist?
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13:59<cooldude>Disk /dev/sdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
13:59<cooldude>/dev/sdb1 63 781417664 390708801 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
13:59<penguin204>Thought I said earlier, looks like I didn't. I'm using Parsix, which is based on Debian testing.
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13:59<jordanm>!based on debian
13:59<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
14:00<retrospectacus>penguin204: then we cannot help you. Go ask in a Parsix channel
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14:00<ballison>I'm logged into a system with hardware raid (dell) and I'm running MegaCli and I'm getting NOTHING back from MegaCli -->
14:00<penguin204>My bad, thanks for your help anyway.
14:00<retrospectacus>cooldude: how are you trying to mount it and how is it failing?
14:02<cooldude>usually mount /dev/sdb1 /media/windows would work but ive tried mount –t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/windows
14:02<cooldude>error is mount: special device /deb/sdb1 does not exist
14:02<ballison>notice how MegaCli returns nothing for each queiry... am i used the tool wrong? i installed the rpm version using alien.
14:02<cooldude>yet it does
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14:02<penguin204>cooldude, Are you mounting as root?
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14:03<retrospectacus>ballison: we almost certainly cannot help you with that
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14:03<retrospectacus>cooldude: so what is the output of ls -l /dev/sdb1
14:03<cooldude>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 Nov 14 09:53 /dev/sdb1
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14:06<tumulte>does anyone here have had the problem of CPU peak because of Nvidia after xorg update
14:07<cooldude>retrospectacus, its been kind of a mystery for me, ive been all over google and i know it has to be something simple
14:07<babilen>tumulte: Update from what to what? Which version of Debian are you running?
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14:08<retrospectacus>cooldude: yes if /dev/sdb1 exists then ''mount /dev/sdb1 /media/windows'' should say something other than "/deb/sdb1 does not exist" for sure.
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14:12<cooldude>im gunna reboot real quick again and try it because thats what its been saying for the past 2 days and it makes no sense it says it doesnt exist when it clearly does
14:12<retrospectacus>cooldude: try ''strace mount /dev/sdb1 /media/windows '' (you may need to install strace)
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14:17<ballison>this is so not the right place to ask - but i don't know where else to ask. LSI Raid controller having errors - where would i SEE these errors? Tried rebooting and going into the LSI Config Utility but see nothing about logs there.
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14:18<ballison>also thought i could pull those logs via MegaCli but that didn't work either. :/
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14:20<cooldude>retrospectacus, strace didnt work either, now that i removed it out of my fstab and rebooted the mount command says mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/windows/ busy
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14:22<retrospectacus>cooldude: that's much better
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14:22<retrospectacus>strace wasn't supposed to magically make it work, it just outputs a trace of what the mount command is doing
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14:22<cooldude>ohh, yeah it trough out a bunch of crap and lots of files dont exist
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14:23<retrospectacus>that's normal. It can be difficult to isolate problems with strace but it helps
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14:24<cooldude>in computer i now see a drive, well looks like 2 drives says vg, id assume thats because its an intel board running there crap raid mirrored but it doesnt let me open it or give me anything useful in properties
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14:29<tumulte>babilen: it's the repport :
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14:31<tumulte>the latest version of xorg went wrong with nvidia
14:31<babilen>tumulte: I take it that you are running wheezy then?
14:31<tumulte>so I'm running the previous version
14:31<tumulte>behanw: sid
14:31<tumulte>is it an answer?
14:31<sney>testing/unstable support goes to #debian-next
14:31<babilen>tumulte: That bug is fixed in sid (and you want the #debian-next channel)
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14:32<sney>oh, it's fixed but of course running an upgrade in sid right now is _hilarious_ and not really recommended, right?'
14:33<jordanm>isn't that the case 50% of the time?
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14:34<sney>yes, but today it removes all installed kernels
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14:34<tumulte>babilen: thanks a lot!
14:34<devil>jordanm: no, its not.
14:35<tumulte>jordanm: based on many people(s experience it's not that bad
14:35<tumulte>and most time it's just fine
14:35<tumulte>and in few cases such as mine, it's needed when you want some features
14:36<jordanm>I am aware of how often it breaks. basically anytime there is a major transition. I was just exaggerating
14:36<jordanm>tumulte: that's what backports is for
14:37<tumulte>see you debian now
14:37<tumulte>I'll go to debian-next
14:37<jordanm>sney: out of curiosity, what is the bug # causing that?
14:37<tumulte>I didn't know I was nexr
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14:37<sney>jordanm: I don't know about a bug number but there is
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14:39<jordanm>sney: linux-2.6 is listed as "unkown" rather than bad
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14:41<sney>jordanm: it's currently being removed by updates.
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14:43<cooldude>retrospectacus, thanks for your help i figured it out when i realized it was a raid 0 setup after thinking for a min, it was hiding in /dev/mapper/isw_cjggfbjccf_Volume01
14:44<retrospectacus>nice work dude :)
14:46<cooldude>is there anything special i need to know when adding it to fstab since its raid 0
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14:51<sney>raid 0 is pretty straightforward, but you'll probably want to add it to fstab using the uuid
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14:55<reza>Need help configuring graphics card for nvidia geforce 4 420
14:55<reza>worked fine since started using 9.10 through all upgrade to 10.04
14:55<reza>intalled 11.10 last night & graphics are shot
14:55<sney>!ubuntuirc reza
14:55<dpkg>reza: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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14:56<reza>thanks for pointing in the right direction
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15:31<amoe>A squeeze machine that I just installed does not auto-boot Debian from grub, though as far as I can see the timeout is set correctly. AFAIK squeeze normally boots with a 5 second timeout by default, no?
15:31<amoe>This is /etc/default/grub: completely stock
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16:01<Osiris_X>having big problem with "perl: warning: Setting locale failed."
16:01<Osiris_X>should my /etc/environment be empty?
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16:03<devil>Osiris_X: look at the topic
16:03<devil>ups, wrong channel
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16:04<devil>Osiris_X: is that on squeeze?
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16:04<Osiris_X>devil - not sure what you mean by your 1st statement
16:04<Osiris_X>devil - no it is on wheezy/sid
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16:04<devil>Osiris_X: perl is transitioning in sid
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16:05<Osiris_X>devil: aaahhh ok thanks
16:05<devil>Osiris_X: lease move to #debian-next and look at the topic :)
16:05<Osiris_X>devil: lol ok cheers
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16:17<BusMaster>i just installed squeeze. sound with alsa works, but after i did apt-get install pulseaudio and added pcm.pulse and ctl.pulse to .asoundrc, i still cannot hear any sound using pulseaudio. have i missed some step?
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16:17<ptr1>So, running testing here. Just got gnome3 unexpectedly. The "Appearance" control panel seems to have disappeared from Preferences. Any idea how to get it back?
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16:20<kb1rma>Is there a good way to lock a package at a specific version?
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16:20<tesseract>hi there.
16:20<kb1rma>so when I run apt-get upgrade it ignores a package?
16:21<tesseract>i installed debian on an tecra 8200.
16:21<tesseract>Now i cant get the wifi working anyone?
16:21<ptr>Any idea what package provides the appearance control panel in gnome 3?
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16:21<tesseract>During install the hardware showed up but now when i run lspci nothing..
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16:22<tesseract>I see in syslog that the system sees it.
16:22<tesseract>But now.. Its nowhere to be found.
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16:22<tesseract>Its an orinoco pci card.
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16:27<tesseract>Been at it all freaking day.
16:28<tesseract>Its driving me nuts. :p
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16:30<devil>tesseract: did you install the needed firmware for that chip?
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16:34<tesseract>thought so devil..
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16:34<tesseract>Just found something on the debian wiki i missed before..
16:34<tesseract>So trying that.
16:34<devil>tesseract: do you have a pci-id for the device?
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16:35<tesseract>Yes but not right now. ;)
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16:45<sney>tesseract: a lot of the information on the wiki is for Lenny, so make sure you only follow directions under Squeeze headings
16:45<tesseract>did that.
16:45<tesseract>Worked like a charm.
16:45<tesseract>I feel like an idiot that i just found it.
16:45<tesseract>a whole day..
16:46<tesseract>Now i can see the networks..
16:46<tesseract>There all wep.. even the wpa's..
16:46<tesseract>But when i go to the key section it gives the option wpa.
16:46<tesseract>I just cant connect with it.
16:47<tesseract>"Connection failed: Bad password"
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16:47<tesseract>And its not.
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16:55<DeepDiver>Anybody here with packaging and copyright knowledge here?
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16:55<kop>tesseract: You might try a newer kernel from backports, but that's just a guess. I can never seem to get wireless working myself.
16:55<kop>!tell DeepDiver about ask
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16:56<DeepDiver>Copyright belongs to human beings right?
16:57<DeepDiver>What should be written within debian/copyright in case source code contains that:
16:57<DeepDiver># Chosen, a Select Box Enhancer for jQuery and Protoype
16:57<DeepDiver>## by Patrick Filler for [Harvest](
16:57<DeepDiver>Available for use under the [MIT License](
16:57<DeepDiver>Copyright (c) 2011 by Harvest
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16:58<tesseract>i know.. it sucks.
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16:59<tesseract>I do one thing and it seems to work for some part but than the other part is giving me problems.
17:00<jmaslibre>DeepDiver: I am not a lawyer, but IMHO it could be assigned to a company.
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17:01<jmaslibre>DeepDiver: and Harvest seems to be a company.
17:01<DeepDiver>yes Harvest is a company
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17:02<kop>DeepDiver: It all depends on what country you live in. You could wikipedia.
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17:02<chealer>jmaslibre: not necessarily directly
17:02<chealer>jmaslibre: sorry
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17:02<chealer>DeepDiver: not necessarily directly
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17:07<DeepDiver>Okay - just had a look at debian/copyright of php5. There is a copyright statement about Red Hat.
17:07<DeepDiver>Just in case someone is interested:
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17:08<jlarson>would anyone here feel up to assisting me with a kernel/module issue?
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17:08<retrospectacus>jlarson: not unless you ask
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17:09<jlarson>of course retrospectacus, i have a need to build the following module for a 3.x kernel:
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17:09<ptr>any idea what happened to the appearance control panel in gnome3? It appears to have disappeared post-upgrade
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17:10<jlarson>but included files in the module from the kernel source tree no longer exist in the 3.x series... i'm not sure where to go from here
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17:10<retrospectacus>you both should go to #debian-next for help with post-stable debians
17:11<jlarson>ok, thanks a lot!
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17:26<gsimmons>tesseract: Does "iw dev eth1 scan" report WPA protocol information? You would need to reload the orinoco_pci module otherwise.
17:27<tesseract>What is iw?
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17:28<gsimmons>tesseract: A tool for configuring wireless devices ("iwlist eth1 scan" can alternatively be used).
17:28<tesseract>Device is busy.
17:29<jhutchins_lt>tesseract: Are you running wicd or network-manager?
17:29<jhutchins_lt>You'll have to stop it in order to work with the card directly.
17:29<jhutchins_lt>tesseract: Why wicd instead of network-manager
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17:30<jhutchins_lt>nm will work with xfce. You might need the gtk applet.
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17:32<jhutchins_lt>tesseract: I don't know the whole problem or what release you're on.
17:32<tesseract>squeeze and cat get my wifi to do what i want.
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17:33<metaspike>i want to update fglrx from squeeze backports. can anyone figure out the command for me? :)
17:33<jhutchins_lt>tesseract: I found nm worked better than wicd for me on squeeze, wicd didn't even see the card.
17:34<jhutchins_lt>tesseract: Where are you at this point? Does wicd see it?
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17:37<metaspike>wpa_supplicant, dhcpd and dhclient. works for me.
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17:39<tesseract>thats an option..
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17:39<tesseract>Where's the wpa_supp config file?
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17:40<gsimmons>tesseract: There isn't one, you can use wpa-* options in /etc/network/interfaces. An external (user-supplied) wpa_supplicant configuration file can be referenced using the wpa-conf option.
17:40*Pumba Bonsoir & bonne nuit.
17:41<metaspike>i'll even share my little wlan script with you: wpa_supplicant -Dwext -wlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B & dhcpcd wlan0 & dhclient - after editing /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf using feedback from wpa_cli "scan" and "scan_results"
17:41<metaspike>it's not exactley user friendly but effecient.
17:42<tesseract>yeah but when i put it in the interfaces file i will have to delete the auto line right?
17:42<tesseract>Or it will try to connect @ boot?
17:42<tesseract>thanks metaspike.
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17:43<tesseract>pasted it in a file.
17:43<tesseract>Have a look tomorrow.
17:43<tesseract>Now zzzZZZzzzZ
17:43<gsimmons>tesseract: Before all that, is "WPA-PSK supported" shown in your system's kernel ring buffer? (dmesg)
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17:45<tesseract>But again.
17:45<tesseract>Its getting late.
17:45<tesseract>Here it is anyway.
17:45<tesseract>I will fix this Sh*t tomorrow.
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18:00<Mike632T>Hi Is this a good place to ask about xorg on squeeze - if not feel free to direct me elsewhere..
18:00<retrospectacus>Mike632T: this is the place
18:00<cthuluh>I'd say it is
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18:03<Mike632T>OK - I've two machines one with an nVidia card the other with an intel 845G, other then that they are almost identical. I have no problem with the nvidia machine, and if I copy my xorg.conf to the intel machine and change driver to "vesa" it works but if I change the driver entry to "intel" it doesn't work
18:04<sney>if you are using squeeze with intel graphics you do not need an xorg.conf at all
18:04<sney>it will auto-detect
18:05<sney>xorg.conf is only required for proprietary (ati/nvidia) drivers and stuff like weird multi-monitor setups
18:05<Mike632T>I need to set the video mode (or just the refresh rate) to get my monitor to work with my KVM switch
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18:06<sney>you can put the Monitor section of xorg.conf in a text file by itself - say 20-monitor.conf - and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
18:06<sney>that will handle your refresh setting while leaving the rest on automatic
18:07<Mike632T>What about selecting a particular resolution..?
18:07<Mike632T>can I do the same with the screen section in a screen.conf ?
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18:08<sney>if any of these snippet files use identifiers, just make sure to keep them consistent so X doesn't get confused
18:10<Mike632T>Problem is the mode timings the screen is an LED panel which - I think that as a result it reports a default timing mode at 1920x1200 with a very short or no blanking period, although it has no problem with the resolution and refresh rate the timing reported by the monitor throws the KVM switch. Fixed on the nVidia machine by specifying a mode "1920x1200_60_0"
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18:12<Mike632T>Will try settings in a new file '20-screen.conf' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and see what happens - back in 10...
18:12<sney>the intel driver likely doesn't support the same special options as nvidia, or at least they have to be in a different syntax. I'm not sure - haven't messed with that stuff much, but nvidia and fglrx tend to go their own way with regards to special options
18:13<Mike632T>xrandr should let me generate a custome mode line..?
18:13<kristianpaul>Any body can recommend me a reverse proxy provider?
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18:14<kristianpaul>is for a friend's bar, he got linux installed now i want to setup a blog for her, but its ISP dont provide public ip adressing by default
18:15<sney>holy pronoun confusion, batman. also, that's not really a debian issue - maybe ask around in offtopic, or google it
18:16<kristianpaul>hum yes
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18:16<sney>Mike632T: it should, yes, give it a shot and if X doesn't load you can pastebin your Xorg.0.log and I'll take a look at it
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18:18<Mike632T>Does the kernel framebuffer need to be enabled for intel to work..?
18:18<Mike632T>Currently using nofb and i915.modeset=0 to get console to work
18:19<sney>err yeah it might
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18:20<iuriguilherme>Mike632T: You are trying to do this work automatic or you are willing to change the resolutions/rates manually?
18:20<Mike632T>suspect it does ....
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18:22<iuriguilherme>Mike632T: nevermind, you are changing the computer, not the monitor
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18:30<jhutchins_lt>Intel Xorg driver for squeeze won't load without the kms framebuffer.
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18:35<Mike632T>20-screen.conf seems to be ignored log file here
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18:45<Mike632T>sney or iuriguilherme tried creating 20-screen.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ but X still uses default resolution
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18:47<pumafyre>I installed Debian Squeeze to my hd, but didn't see an option to encrypt my home directory. is there a way to do it now?
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18:51<mercutio22>I have an acer aspire one 722 netbook. Just figured out it has a slot for an extra wifi module. I got one from an old dead netbook and plugged it in. I can't see it listed in lspci. Do I have to load the driver module before it is listed or should it be listed already?\
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18:57<sney>Mike632T: looks like it doesn't like the syntax of your monitor conf
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18:57<draxima>come va?
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18:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:59<Mike632T>Used screen section from xorg.conf (previously working with vesa)
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19:02<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
19:03<draxima>ma xk nessuno chat?
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19:05<jyre>i am trying to set up a dhcp server on my laptop to do pxeboot on a single board computer
19:06<jyre>it was working at one point...
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19:09<retrospectacus>jyre: and then?
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19:10<jyre>well the pxeboot was working and i was in the debian network install but from that point i was unable to figure out how to get the SBC to the external network to actually download packages
19:11<retrospectacus>the dhcp server should provide a default gateway (also name servers)
19:11<jyre>yeah i guess i failed my dhcpd.conf
19:12<jyre>this was all months ago, now i am trying again because i actually have a use for the sbc
19:12<jyre>the storage medium on the sbc is a 2 or 4 gig CF card
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19:16<jyre>do i need a name server on my laptop?
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19:16<retrospectacus>jyre: you need a name server.
19:17<retrospectacus>it can be the one your ISP provides
19:17<jyre>how do i find that/
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19:17<retrospectacus>only you can answer that
19:18<retrospectacus>your router probably knows, if you are having that kind of setup
19:19<retrospectacus>and if so, you can probably give your router's IP as the DNS (probably!)
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19:19<retrospectacus>as it is probably being a DNS forward/cacher
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19:20<retrospectacus>you could also check /etc/resolv.conf on the laptop and use whatever's in there
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19:20<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
19:21<renat>тут из русиш есть кто?
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19:24<cortana>can someone tell me how to make gnome-mount do anything other than print out its version number?
19:25<cortana>trying to trouble shoot something over the phone here... i think the user is typing: 'gnome-mount -d /dev/sdb1' but the output is just 'gnome-mount 0.7'
19:26<retrospectacus>cortana: what version of Debian is that? I have no "gnome-mount" command
19:26<cortana>lenny AFAIK
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19:30<jyre>retrospectacus, when setting up the default gateway in dhcpd.conf, do i use "option routers #.#.#.#"?
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19:30<retrospectacus>jyre: that sounds right. Aren't there a ton of examples in that file?
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19:30<jyre>yeah but it never worked which led me to doubt
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19:33<ptr>Running wheezy x86_64. Just got gnome3.
19:33<ptr>A whole bunch of control panels (among them Appearance and Power Management) have disappeared. I can't find the corresponding packages
19:33<retrospectacus>ptr: wheezy support goes to #debian-next
19:33<ptr>any idea what's happened?
19:33<ptr>ooh, sorry
19:33<retrospectacus>no problem :)
19:33<ptr>Thanks for letting me know retrospectacus
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20:55*grrrrrr is away: LIBERACION ANIMAL
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20:56<babilen>grrrrrr: Turn that off please
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21:40<mybox-amerks>hi all
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21:40<mybox-amerks>Anyone here from NYT
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21:52<bremner>hi all. I'm looking for a good cli tool to generate static html photo galleries. Any suggestions? I saw webmagick, but it looks a bit dead.
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21:57<jingfeihu>Hi, I want to search the installed packages during the latest passed one hour, how to use apt-cache or dpkg-query to accomplish this?
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22:01<tale>bremner: apt-cache search html gallery
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22:01<bremner>tale: thanks! I never would have thought of that.
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22:02<Ceaerrepe>i need help for install : broadcom 4313
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22:04<tale>Ceaerrepe: What does this command show: lsb_release -d
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22:05<Ceaerrepe>Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 (squezee)
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22:06<tale>Ceaerrepe: Have you read this:
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22:10<Ceaerrepe>tale, ok
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22:21<Ceaerrepe>tale, W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8186e-2.fw for module r816
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22:22<tale>Ceaerrepe: Some devices need their firmware loaded at boot.
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22:23<Ceaerrepe>tale, as I do
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22:25<sney>rtl8186 firmware is unrelated to your broadcom wireless though
22:26<Ceaerrepe>sney, then because the message
22:30<tale>Ceaerrepe: Does your WLAN work now after following the insturctions in than wl page?
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22:30<Ceaerrepe>tale, yes
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22:32<binarymutant>I just did a dist-upgrade, can't boot now :(
22:33<tale>binarymutant: Dist-upgrade from what to what and using which upgrade manual?
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22:33<binarymutant>tale: sid for a kernel update
22:33<binarymutant>I also autoremoved the old one :'(
22:34<binarymutant>no grub menu now
22:34<tale>binarymutant: Upgrading to Sid may well break your system.
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22:35<binarymutant>first time ever for me that unstable actually is unstable
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22:38<sney>dpkg noo
22:38<dpkg>sney: I give up, what is it?
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22:41<alexl>hey all, my workstation died this morning, and it was replaced with a sandy bridge system. updated to kernel 3.0.0 to get support for the network card, but now my openvz is hosed, as there is no 3.0.0-openvz kernel.
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22:41<alexl>debian testing. been hacking on it all day and got nowhere.
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22:41<alexl>Ceaerrepe: i presume thats a bad sign?
22:42<JoeKickass>openvz kernels stopped at 2.6.32 I believe
22:42<alexl>JoeKickass: yeah, they're mainly targeting rhel/centos releases, which leaves debian high and dry. bit of mailing list drama around that from time to time it would seem
22:42<Ceaerrepe>alexl, not recognized
22:43<alexl>tried to patch the debian 3.0.0 kernel, but it didnt like that very much
22:43<JoeKickass>alexl: yeah. it sucks.
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22:44<alexl>JoeKickass: what really sucks is since it blew away my 2.6.32 kernel source package, and its no longer in the repos, i cant roll back cleanly and try to fix the network card instead :/
22:45<JoeKickass>rough times in the alexl household
22:45<alexl>(because of nvidia card.. i know, i know, dont get me started)
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22:45<alexl>JoeKickass: its what i get for being a bleeding edge hipster
22:46<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
22:47<alexl>yeah yeah.. tried that. got sucked into testing because of updated X features from stable
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22:48<alexl>whats the odds on cleanly rolling back from /testing to /stable ?
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22:49<alexl>oh wait, nevermind, then id have an unusable X instance. feh.
22:49<JoeKickass> LXC is supposed to be what we use instead of openvz but I haven't tried it yet
22:51<alexl>oh, its userspace. how nifty is that. i shall meditate on this insight.
22:51<JoeKickass>I don't think it's really the same thing but it's containers
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22:53<Ceaerrepe>I can not install
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22:54<learning_noob>anyone on here?
22:54<JoeKickass>learning_noob: hundreds of us
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22:55<learning_noob>sweet...i'm a learning-noob as the name says and having difficulty installing downloaded software
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22:56<JoeKickass>oh yeah. What did you download?
22:57<learning_noob>well since my xfinity wouldn't work on my current firefox version, I tried to upgrade that and also downloaded google chrome, but not sure how to get em running
22:58<JoeKickass>you should install those using apt. What version of debian do you have?
22:58<learning_noob>i'm using backtrack 4r2...i'm am currently running the apt-get update
22:58<learning_noob>that just finished
22:58<JoeKickass>we can't help with backtrack here
22:58<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
22:59<learning_noob>oh bad sorry bout that...thanks for a point in the right direction
22:59<JoeKickass>not a problem
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23:39<ayaka>when I booting ,I saw the rsyslog staring very slowly is there any problem?
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