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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-11-16

---Logopened Wed Nov 16 00:00:11 2011
---Daychanged Wed Nov 16 2011
00:00<jyre>okay so would i use the ip route command from a shell on the pc connected to eth0?
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00:00<jyre>i mean to tell where to look for connections
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00:01<cthuluh>go to the main menu, select something like "configure network cards"...
00:02<jyre>okay
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00:03<jyre>i think i see
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00:07<siswa>ahahahah
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00:08<jyre>hi
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00:11<jyre>okay i have the connection manually configured to point to the eth0 ip address and i rand the iptables command you specified but now it seems like the DNS lookups are failing for the debian archive mirrors
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00:12<cthuluh>what's the dns server you're using then?
00:12<alex_>ola
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00:13<dardevelin>boas
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00:13<dardevelin>!portuguese
00:13<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
00:13<alex_>???
00:15<alex_>como uso?
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00:15<jyre>well my laptop certainly doesn't have a dns server...
00:16<dardevelin>alex_, /join #debian-br
00:16<alex_>alguem pode me orientar?
00:17<estebian>Hi
00:17<dardevelin>alex_, write /join #debian-br
00:17<cthuluh>jyre: try running wget 195.88.84.51
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00:18<cthuluh>if you got 403 forbidden, then you only have dns problems
00:18<dardevelin>escreva a mensagem entre aspas (sem as aspas) "/join #debian-br" e clique enter
00:19<alex_>ok
00:19<alex_>no caso
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00:20<alex_>a como me reportar a uma pessoa?
00:20<estebian>many years ago that did not use an IRC client
00:20<estebian>I'm happy
00:21<dardevelin>alex_,This is a channel for help in english-> Este é um canal para ajuda em ingles
00:22<estebian>If someone needs help, i am ready to help you.
00:22<alex_>ok
00:22<alex_>aos poucos vou entendendo como funciona aqui
00:23<dardevelin>alex_, please speak in english, so people can understand you
00:24<estebian>Only you need to read some documentation about IRC commands an generic use.
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00:24<estebian>alex_,Only you need to read some documentation about IRC commands an generic use.
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00:25<alex_>rsrrsrs
00:25<alex_>me descupe não sei falar ingles ainda
00:27<estebian>alex_, can you read http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html before
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00:27<jyre>cthuluh, looks like it is not just a dns problem
00:27<dardevelin>estebian, unfortunately i think he either doesn't get it, or is trolling. I already said what he needed to do in portuguese..
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00:28<alex_>estebian, vou ler
00:28<dardevelin>i understand portuguese, but is u polite to be talking another language in a room for help in other language. Because majority of people wont understand and/or can help
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00:29<dardevelin>*un-polite
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00:29<estebian>alex_, i want to help you but only english. Before read the manpage please.
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00:31<alex_>estebian, I am using a translator, if you think something strange is why I spoke.
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00:32<estebian>alex_, try in #beginner first
00:33<alex_>estebian, learn to speak English.
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00:33<alex_>ok
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00:34<dardevelin>alex_, why don't you go to a room that people speak portuguese and save the trouble ? - Porque não vai para uma sala onde se fala portugues e poupar-se ao trabalho?
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00:36<estebian>alex_, I'm not here to fight, i want to help you if you want, sorry but i don't skpeak in portuguese.
00:36<alex_>dardevelin, save yourself the trouble to learn, but?
00:36<alex_>I can overcome here.
00:36<alex_>thanks for the motivation.
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00:38<dardevelin>if you want to learn english this is not the appropriate room. The room for that is #english. -> Se quer aprender portugues este não é o canal correcto. O canal para é o #english
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00:39<dardevelin>*Se quer aprender ingles
00:39<haylo>so he speaks english and is trolling with a portugese translator?
00:39<dimedo>hi. I'm trying to create a Xen 64 bit HVM guest on an old Debian Lenny amd64 hypervisor. always when trying to boot the kernel from cd the machine freezes. same config with 32 bit installer cd works fine. what am i doing wrong?
00:39<dimedo>the guest machine freezes, not the hypervisor
00:40<alex_>estebian, I know, thank you for your help.
00:40<alex_>sorry if I said something wrong.
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00:41<dardevelin>haylo, he doesn't speak english and was only speaking in portuguese. I requested him to either go to a pt room or to speak in english. He decided to make use the translator. But then he was not making question about debian, so he should be using the english room for that
00:41<dardevelin>s/english/#english
00:42<alex_>ok
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00:43<estebian>Alex_, i undestand you, but only english. if you need that i help to you about debian, i will help you.
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00:46<alex_>estabian, I'm going, thanks for the help.
00:46<alex_>yes I need help.
00:46<alex_>come on another day.
00:46<alex_>was a pleasure.
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00:55<estebian>See you tomorrow
00:55<estebian>;)
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02:03<pepper>hi
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03:21<lau>does gnome update-manager use apt-get or aptitude to upgrade packages ? (wheezy)
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03:42<Hogren>hello world
03:43<Hogren>how are you today ?
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03:43<kooll>a bit drunk.
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03:44<haylo>up late and blitzed. cold but happy
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03:54<Hogren>where are you ?
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03:59<alumno_>que pasaaa !!
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04:00<alumno__> pasaa
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04:00<JASDJKAJIDS>OLA
04:00<JASDJKAJIDS>JUJUJU
04:00<alumno__>qu eputas
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04:01<JASDJKAJIDS>JUjujujuj
04:01<JASDJKAJIDS>NOmaso mamahuevasoo!
04:01<alumno__>chuparmelos huevos por debajo del culo
04:01-!-BRYAN [~alumno@158.Red-213-97-108.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
04:01<JASDJKAJIDS>no tienes,,
04:01<BRYAN>hola
04:01<JASDJKAJIDS>enanooooooooooooo
04:01<BRYAN>hey
04:01<JASDJKAJIDS>JAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJJAJAA
04:01<JASDJKAJIDS>xD
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04:02<alumno__>jajaja otro gay
04:02<JASDJKAJIDS>QUE DICWEA¿¿
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04:02<alumno__>chuparme el culo
04:02<JASDJKAJIDS>PUTOPO NOMOOOOO
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04:02<alumno__>calla maricona
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04:02<Guest17254>alan?
04:02<JASDJKAJIDS>NOMO A QUE TE BLOQUEO?
04:02<ansgar>!ops alumno__ JASDJKAJIDS
04:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: alumno__ JASDJKAJIDS
04:02<alumno__>pue sno
04:02<alumno__>ami no me bloquean no tienen huevos
04:03<debuser2>dpkg flgrx
04:03<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net.
04:03<alumno__>alan a muerto
04:03<alumno__>el profe es un viciao
04:03<JASDJKAJIDS>0IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITG
04:03<JASDJKAJIDS>HGF
04:03<Guest17254>a que si
04:03<JASDJKAJIDS>HGF
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04:03<alumno__>se tira toas las horas jyugando
04:03<Guest17254>pero es mas alto que tu
04:03<alumno__>quien es guest ?
04:03<Guest17254>tu papi
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04:04<alumno__>eres un puto mierdas
04:04<paola>KLK A TOODOS
04:04<debuser2>no fglrx in testing huh
04:04<alumno__>chupame el culo
04:04<paola>KK ME LA CHUPEN TODOS
04:04<paola>VERGANTES
04:04<paola>VAALEN ARTA
04:04<paola>XD
04:04-!-tu [~alan@158.Red-213-97-108.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
04:04<alumno__>jajajaja va unos gays
04:04<tu>klk
04:04<tu>llave
04:05<paola>Q A SIDO JIMMY
04:05-!-nOMO [~sOLOCAGOp@158.Red-213-97-108.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
04:05<tu>llego su papasote
04:05<alumno__>tu callate
04:05<Guest17254>jajja
04:05<Guest17254>papasote
04:05<tu>abla bn men
04:05<paola>ÇJJAJAAJA
04:05<Guest17254>quien?
04:05<tu>ya tu sabe
04:05<nOMO>HEYYY KLK
04:05-!-trampster [~daniel@203-109-173-159.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #debian
04:05<alumno__>pos no se
04:05<tu>tuku
04:05<paola>KLOK
04:05<paola>MUCHACHO
04:05<nOMO>AJJAJAJAJAJJA
04:05<paola>YA TU SABES
04:05<nOMO>XD
04:05<tu>llave men vamos pa un paris
04:05-!-Guest17254 [~alumno@158.Red-213-97-108.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
04:05<tu>si o ke
04:05<nOMO>NOOO
04:05<paola>Q¿?
04:05<debuser2>hello?
04:05-!-peter [~peter@158.Red-213-97-108.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
04:05<paola>DILO
04:05<tu>full peladas y full chelas
04:05<paola>A DONDE NOS VAMOS
04:05<peter>hola amigos
04:05<paola>YO VOY TU
04:06<paola>OLA PETER
04:06<paola>AHHA
04:06<peter>tu eres un gay
04:06<nOMO>QUE ES ESO DE PARYS??
04:06<paola>PETERRR
04:06<nOMO>:s
04:06<nOMO>hUBICATEE!
04:06<nOMO>XD
04:06<peter>nomo eres un mierdas
04:06<tu>llave un fiesta de full peladas llave
04:06-!-peter is now known as Guest17255
04:06<tu>vamos si o ke
04:06<paola>YO ME AOPUNTO
04:06<Guest17255>esto esta to guapo iia tenemos entretenimiento
04:06<nOMO>pUTO MONO!
04:06<Guest17255>nomo ese no soi iio
04:06<tu>oe llave maduren lokitos
04:06<tu>comportensen bn
04:07<paola>HABLO AQUIO
04:07<tu>llave
04:07<paola>DEE KIIEN ESS ESTOO ?
04:07<tu>qien es ese llave
04:07<tu>miooooooooo
04:07<paola>DE ALAN
04:07<nOMO>el ke?
04:07<paola>ESSTEE
04:07<tu>este
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04:07<miguelgay>hola
04:07<paola>DEE TODOOSS UDS WEEBOONES
04:07<paola>XD
04:07<tu>k verga llave
04:07<miguelgay>tu que pasaa
04:07<simonlnu>!ops ^^^
04:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: ^^^
04:07<tu>paoo tk muxooooooooooooooooooo
04:07<miguelgay>soy gay busco marido
04:07<nOMO>puto nomo del diablooo!!
04:07<paola>CALLAATEE MEN
04:07<paola>NOO AGGAS BUULLA
04:08<paola>TU PAPI
04:08<tu>abla bn
04:08<nOMO>sexo por cam
04:08<tu>llave
04:08-!-tu was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
04:08<paola>YO A TI TAMBN
04:08<miguelgay>mi nombre es miguel aimara y busco un hombre que me de biien duro
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04:08<paola>HAA
04:08<berto>paola: os importa ir a jugar a otro sitio?
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04:08<miguelgay>adios nomo
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04:08<simonlnu>\o/
04:08<simonlnu>thanks
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04:09<DAvid>tomo de mierdaaa
04:09<simonlnu>seems to be all from the same ip
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04:09<berto>yes, some classroom
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04:09<haylo>debian is trolled by non english speakers this evening
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04:09<debuser2>an IP ban should do the trick, die bot!
04:09<simonlnu>that'll do it \o/
04:09<berto>here's the dark side of linux in schools :)
04:10<haylo>lol
04:10<berto>I wonder why they're always spanish speakers
04:10<berto>this time they were not from spain
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04:11<haylo>i really dont know who was that first guy? miguel or something
04:11<berto>oh, they were (by looking at their ip)
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04:11<ansgar>berto: They were. rima-tde.net: Administrative City...... MADRID
04:11<berto>omg how kids write nowadays
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04:12<berto>strange, some of the expressions they used sound latin american to me
04:12<debuser2>while things are relatively quiet id like to push my question, looks like there's no fglrx package in testing, i dont want to mess things up with the ati installer, so i should just hang tight and wati for it to arrive?
04:12<simonlnu>pretty much
04:13<debuser2>no worries.
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04:13<haylo>ooh i cant wait- im stuck using ubunut till fglrx works a little better
04:13-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*miguelito@*.Red-213-97-108.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by Ganneff
04:13<haylo>i used the ati installer- it is ok but not ideal
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04:14<simonlnu>you might break things doing that... so it's not recommended here
04:14<haylo>kk
04:16<jm_>!why is fglrx not in testing
04:16<dpkg>fglrx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fglrx
04:17<jm_>!why is fglrx-driver not in testing
04:17<dpkg>fglrx-driver is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fglrx-driver
04:17<jm_>sorry for wrong url earlier
04:17<debuser2>hmmm thanks i will have a read of that, thanks jm_
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04:33<|Ferderik>Does anyone know a way to log the creation, move and removal of all cgroups?
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04:34<project2501a>dash is making lsf not run in squeeze :9
04:34<project2501a>:(
04:35<project2501a>ahem
04:35<project2501a>hi guys. I am running Squeeze. I am also running version 7.0.6 of a batch scheduler called "LSF" from Platform LSF.
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04:36<project2501a>they got some initialization scripts. the claim their scripts are sh kosher, but they are far from it. they got more bashisms in them, than greece has dept
04:37<project2501a>man, i lost my train of thought.
04:37<project2501a>n/m /me waves at themill
04:37<themill>checkbashisms may be of interest
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04:38<project2501a>yeah, i saw it. the problem is, that there are several problems arising from how debian handles the software itself
04:38<project2501a>for example
04:38<project2501a>the stupid f**ks are using awk to pick up the machine type from uname -a
04:39<themill>alternatively, you can switch /bin/sh back to bash if you really need to; you just lose the benefits that dash brings (mainly faster boot that is probably not interesting where you're using a batch scheduler)
04:39<project2501a>so, while that will work in x86 machine
04:39-!-OkropNick [kuba@host-n2-72-190.telpol.net.pl] has joined #debian
04:39<project2501a>so, while that will work in x86 machine with a single core
04:39<project2501a>it will not work on a machine with more than one core
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04:39<kooll>project2501a: hmm. Where does that happen ? In which script ?
04:39<project2501a>cuz then it's argument $12 not $11
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04:39<themill>I imagine it struggles with -bigmem/-pae kernels and -amd64 on i386 too
04:39<project2501a>kooll: you familiar with LSF?
04:40<kooll>project2501a: not really. But I'm familiar enough with shell to know that mixing uname -a and awk is really ... not something one should do usually. (unless alcohol is involved too)
04:40<project2501a>lol
04:40<project2501a>very true
04:40<project2501a>our friends in the PRC are not very good programmers, then :P
04:41<kooll>considering that the output wanted is probably the one from 'uname -n'
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04:41<project2501a>kooll: here's my delema. this is licensed software. i do not think it is within my rights to give you a copy of the script
04:41<kooll>(as a rule, uname -a should never be parsed anyway. there are options for each parts of the output...)
04:41<themill>they probably wanted the output of `arch` and that got taken away from them
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04:42<project2501a>kooll: but i think i can give you the patches i made
04:42<project2501a>themill: yeah
04:42<project2501a>the software works by miracle
04:42<project2501a>they got 500 lines of code to detect which version of linux they have
04:42<kooll>project2501a: I'm pretty sure I don't want to use that software, if it's coded that way :)
04:43<project2501a>and at the end of that they got an catch-all else clause for "mystery linux"
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04:43<project2501a>and *that* is how it works
04:43<ompaul>project2501a: that's what you get when you mix good stuff with that kind of thing, wrong thinking from the off but anyway
04:43<project2501a>_libcver=`$glibc 2>/dev/null | grep "GNU C Library" | $AWK '{print $7}' | $AWK -F. '{print $2}' | sed 's/,//'`
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04:43<themill>oh the humanity
04:43<project2501a>that is how they are trying to find out the libc version
04:43<project2501a>works well in lenny
04:43<project2501a>does not work in squeeze
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04:44<ompaul>project2501a: ask them why it does not work on squeeze ;-)
04:44<project2501a>cuz in squeeze its the 10th arguemnt
04:44<project2501a>ompaul: did. they said it's not a supported operating system
04:44<themill>why do they *want* to know the version of libc?
04:44<project2501a>funny way, it does not work in RHEL 6 either
04:44<kooll>project2501a: http://www.platform.com/workload-management/high-performance-computing/lp this is the project you are talking about ?
04:44<project2501a>but they support that os.
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04:45<project2501a>kooll: yup.
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04:45<ompaul>project2501a: tell them that the o/s is the same it is the branding that differs they need to change their jargon it is faulty
04:45<project2501a>ompaul: man, i tried.
04:46<project2501a>they didn't even accept my patches
04:46<ompaul>project2501a: guess you have to live with it then
04:46<project2501a>yeah
04:46<project2501a>on their side i have.
04:46<project2501a>but i can do something in debian
04:46<project2501a>e.g., i make a dash debugger
04:46<project2501a>and a dash linter
04:46<kooll>or to find a way to live without them, too. But I assume that's not really an option for you
04:46<project2501a>nah
04:46<ompaul>project2501a: what kind of math modeling are they doing?
04:46<kooll>the 'easy' way is probably to patch their script by changing /bin/sh to /bin/bash ? :)
04:46<project2501a>kooll: platform lsf is kinda the default batch manager for bioinformatics
04:47<project2501a>kooll: that's a thought, most def. what i did was to dpkg-reconfigure dash
04:47<project2501a>ompaul: hm? math modeling?
04:47<themill>project2501a: oh? I though everyone was still using pbs
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04:47<project2501a>nope
04:48<project2501a>i'm thinking of switching to the sun grid engine
04:48<kooll>I don't know that domain very well. I know at some point SGE was used by some universities.
04:48<project2501a>or at least offering the sun grid engine as an option as well.
04:48<project2501a>anyway
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04:48<kooll>I do think SGE is not really 'good' anymore.
04:48<ompaul>enkrypt: that is considered hostile by some
04:48*kooll tries to focus on his memories. alcohol does not help
04:48<project2501a>got some bones to pick with the libc debian maintainer
04:48<themill>enkrypt: don't do that. thanks
04:49<enkrypt>sorry, new irc client :-s
04:49<project2501a>i mean yeah, being dependent on the output string of the library *IS* stupid
04:49<project2501a>but
04:49<kooll>ah, right. sge changed after oracle bought sun
04:49<ompaul>project2501a: careful now, you might end up with an open source project to do work on :P
04:49<themill>project2501a: I presume you've found the discussions about schedulers and debian on the debian-science mailing list
04:49<kooll>it's now oracle grid engine, and it's no longer free
04:49<|Ferderik>there are free forks of SGE
04:49<project2501a>at the same time, it gives a reason to the "enterprisey" people to say "look at debian, it is not enterprise"
04:49<|Ferderik>Son of Gridengine, for example :-)
04:50<|Ferderik>https://arc.liv.ac.uk/trac/SGE
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04:52<ompaul>project2501a: ask them what makes it not enterprise - oh you didn't pay a shed load for it, why not pay for an extra admin and get the system you want
04:53<project2501a>themill: no i haven't. can i have the URL please?
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04:54<project2501a>ompaul: i haven't quite figured it out yet, but i think for a linux distro to be enterprisey, it means that you have to pay a shitload of money into support fees, and make sure your sysadmins are incompetent enough, so they call support to do their work for them all the time.
04:55<ompaul>http://debianclusters.org/index.php/Main_Page might be useful
04:55<project2501a>relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhrSqBgrHI
04:56<project2501a>next asshat who says "sysadmins are not supposed to code" gets my fist in his face
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05:01<Hogren>project2501a > I didn't read all your messages but the last is lol. It's true, many "admin" says that, and they show that they aren't not good admins.
05:02<themill>project2501a: perhaps sysadmins coding is the explanation for LFS...
05:02*themill hides behind ompaul
05:03<Hogren>Bash scripts are really useful
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05:03<project2501a>themill: :P
05:03<project2501a>i can code, thank you very much :P
05:03<ompaul>themill: most likely hang on if I put you in /usr/local/bin/ nobody will find you ;-)
05:03<project2501a>took me 15 years to put my thoughts in order, but yea, i can finally say i can code.
05:04<themill>project2501a: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2007/05/msg00028.html references therein and follow-ups. There may well have been another discussions since. giyf.
05:04<ompaul>project2501a: saying != coding
05:04*ompaul hides in front of themill
05:04<project2501a>saying != coding?
05:04*ompaul waits for the penny to drop on project2501a's head
05:05<project2501a>ompaul: yeah, i know, i just don't understand what you man by that
05:05<Hogren>ompaul > say "I code" don't means I can code.
05:05<project2501a>ah
05:05<Hogren>is it that ?
05:05<project2501a>now i get it
05:06<ompaul>Hogren: if we take that != is does not equal I think we can say it out loud :)
05:06*ompaul needs a box of commas
05:06<project2501a>i need some whiskey
05:06<ompaul>my second coffee is not finished yet
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05:07<heikkila>Finisihed with what?
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05:07<gnugr>get a glass of frappe not whiskey
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05:07<haylo>his second coffee lie waiting, not yet finished, next to the dusty box of commas
05:07<project2501a>gnugr: no frapper re :P
05:07<project2501a>we found the other greek :P
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05:07<project2501a>*carmina burrana*
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05:08<ompaul>heikkila: not finished with me drinking it.
05:08<heikkila>ah
05:09<heikkila>it's not drunk yet
05:09*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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05:17<david>hola
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05:19<ompaul>!es
05:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
05:19<Hogren>a tiny survey : what is your favorite web browser ?
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05:19<ompaul>use popcon
05:20<Hogren>^ ok
05:20<Hogren>^^
05:20<ompaul>Hogren: ;-)
05:20<|Ferderik>Does anyone have a recommendation of which type of bonding to use to maximize network throughput for NAS? I am a bit lost in all thos different types.
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05:20<alumno_>duis
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05:21<alumno_>hello !!
05:21<alumno_>i fock with you
05:21<ompaul>alumno_: this is a tech support channel so I guess you don't
05:21<|Ferderik>balance-alb looks nice, but I'm wondering if this works well, it seems a bit hacky
05:22<Hogren>ompaul : iceweasel and epiphany are installed automatically.
05:22<ompaul>Hogren: only on gnome
05:22<Hogren>yes but gnome is in default
05:22<ompaul>only if that is what you choose
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05:22<alumno_>me cao en tu puta madre cabron
05:23<|Ferderik>guess we need an ops here
05:23<ompaul>!ops I make a claim that sweary alumno_ is weary
05:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: I make a claim that sweary alumno_ is weary
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05:24<Guest17259>goo to #goltv
05:24<Guest17259>free bikes there
05:24<ompaul>it's not even sunday
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05:25<ubuntu2>hola
05:25<ubuntu2>hay alguien?
05:26<ompaul>Hogren: users who are somewhat familar with debian might just happen to choose the netinstall cd and then some other desktop
05:26<heikkila>ubuntu2, you probably want a Spanish Ubuntu channel.
05:26<ubuntu2>hello
05:26<ubuntu2>now i am english
05:26<ompaul>!ubuntu-es
05:26<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
05:26<haylo>i think it is another trollolo
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05:34<AdamJCAMERON>hello
05:34<AdamJCAMERON>wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww\
05:34<AdamJCAMERON>cbghgdhfghsgdfhfahgiytfysjfyfdyhy
05:34<ompaul>AdamJCAMERON: stop
05:34<AdamJCAMERON>why?
05:35<AdamJCAMERON>uh ompAUL WHO THE FUCK ARE U
05:35<AdamJCAMERON>LEAVE ME ALONE
05:35<ompaul>AdamJCAMERON: let's see if I can ring your school :)
05:35<AdamJCAMERON>OK?
05:35<ompaul>!ops AdamJCAMERON need I say more
05:35<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: AdamJCAMERON need I say more
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06:10<DebianN00b>hey guys
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06:43<jillsmitt>hello everybody
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06:44<jillsmitt>i have some mailed docs here, schemes in VSD file format
06:44<jillsmitt>is there any sofware to open it?
06:44<jillsmitt>i mean debian packages
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06:44<jillsmitt>searching by "VSD" has no result in synaptic
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06:46<slush>maybe Dia
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06:47<DebianN00b>hey jill
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06:48<DebianN00b>hey slush
06:48<jillsmitt>slush, i have it but it cant open this format
06:49<ompaul>jillsmitt: I think they can dump them in pdf format also, they can save as csv and the like so there has to be some sanity in that
06:49<ompaul>well maybe that is hoping for too much
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06:50<slush>jillsmitt: so its states in their faq .. https://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq#Can_Dia_open_Visio_.vsd_files.3F
06:50<DebianN00b>you guys ever used pyrit?
06:54<ompaul>DebianN00b: conversation around that kind of thing is not encouraged as far as I know.#
06:55<jillsmitt>slush, thanks
06:56<jillsmitt>usefull
06:57<DebianN00b>sorry
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07:27<gemunu>I'm tooo tired of installing finger print gui on debian 6. Can some one help me on this. It's been two days now..
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07:34<ompaul>gemunu: finger print gui, what is that?
07:35<gemunu>I can log into the system with my finger print without giving the pwd
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07:37<gemunu>http://www.n-view.net/Appliance/fingerprint/
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07:38<ompaul>gemunu: have you seen this ?http://wiki.debian.org/FingerForce
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07:39<gemunu>nope
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08:13<lamby_>on a Debian system with two identical server-grade harddrives what's a sensible strategy for backing up. dd ?
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08:13<DebianN00b>hey guys, just a question
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08:14<DebianN00b>does the shred command completely wipe a hard disk?
08:14<DebianN00b>making data totally unrecoverable
08:14<mbr>DebianN00b: doubt it :x
08:14<mbr>DebianN00b: have a look at dban.org
08:14<lamby_>DebianN00b: take a hammer to it
08:14<DebianN00b>does that do the job?
08:14<DebianN00b>lol
08:14<mbr>not sure if thats 100% safe though
08:14<uggwar>DebianN00b: pyrit and now shred? tsk tsk tsk :-)
08:14<DebianN00b>dban?
08:15<DebianN00b>haha, im just a curious dude i guess
08:15<mbr>sure you are ;x
08:15<DebianN00b>lol
08:15<lamby_>DebianN00b: you could always wipe the entire disk with /dev/urandom
08:15*mbr whispers to DebianN00b that the feds are there aswell
08:16<mbr>lamby_: yeah pretty much the same as dban i quess
08:16<mbr>just keep re-writing it
08:16<lamby_>and then triple encrypt it with AES256 and then batter it with a sledge hammer
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08:16<lamby_>or just learn to use Private Browsing in Chrome ;-)
08:16<DebianN00b>damn, how do you guys know all this!?
08:16<lamby_>ala 'Porn mode'.
08:16<DebianN00b>lol
08:16<mbr>lamby_: lol thats prolly not the reason ;x
08:18<DebianN00b>anyway, off the subject now, sorry to bother you guys, and thanks for your input
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08:18<mbr>DebianN00b: lol we diddnt help that much ;x hf using awsome pwrd debian
08:18<DebianN00b>hf?
08:19<DebianN00b>sorry guys, N00b here, lol
08:19<mbr>have fun
08:19<DebianN00b>oh thanks mbr
08:20<mbr>hf
08:20<DebianN00b>cheers
08:20<uggwar>cheers :)
08:20<DebianN00b>cheers uggwar
08:21<uggwar>DebianN00b: have a bucket of thermite ready in the basement. only safe disposal of "top-secret"-hds ;)
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08:22<project2501a>dpkg needs some options to answer dialog boxes with.
08:22<dpkg>project2501a: I don't know, could you explain it?
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08:24<uggwar>dang. forgot to mention the ventilation issues
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08:38<bony>I was trying to comile a package which requires dvbdev.h. I get an error saying dvbdev.h no such file or directory
08:39<bony>I searched the forums but didn't find a solution that solves this problem
08:39<|Ferderik>bony: search it on http://packages.debian.org
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08:41<bony>I searched the packages.debian.org and it says there are no packages with this keyword
08:43<f0rk>bony: I think you would use apt-file for that sort of thing
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08:45<|Ferderik>apt-file does exactly the same as searching on http://packages.debian.org
08:45<devil>bony: is that for debian?
08:45<f0rk>except without a web browser
08:46<bony>devil: the site mentions it is for linux
08:46<f0rk>that's like saying synaptic or whatver does exactly the same thing as apt-get
08:46<bony>I will explain
08:46<devil>| http://packages.debian.org shows .h files?
08:46<|Ferderik>sure, if htp://packages.debian.org does not find the file, apt-file won't find it either
08:47<devil>bony: apt-file search cant find dvbdev.h
08:47<|Ferderik>duh :p
08:47<devil>|Ferderik: sure, but for different reasons
08:47<bony>I am trying to setup aver media tv tuner card model number a833. When i say dmesg it shows the model and make
08:47<|Ferderik>try asking #linuxtv
08:47<|Ferderik>on irc.freenode.org
08:48<bony>|Ferderik: I tried the site where all the supported cards were listed the nearest card that was supported compaired to mine was a850
08:49<bony>well aver media gave a linux package http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Support/DownloadCount.aspx?FDFId=5075. In this package there is a shell script running that script will install the required kernel module
08:49<f0rk>bony: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/01/msg00877.html
08:50<lamby_>is it just me or is packages.debian.org really hard to use to find stuff ( I fear it's just me )
08:51<f0rk>not just you. easier to let google do the heavy lifting
08:51<bony>f0rk: so which package should i install in order to get dvbdev.h?
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08:51<|Ferderik>there is no debian package to install, because it's not there. so ask #linuxtv on irc.freenode.org where you get this file from
08:51<f0rk>bony: I don't think there is one
08:51<abrotman>!apt-file
08:51<dpkg>apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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08:52<f0rk>abrotman: 08:43 < f0rk> bony: I think you would use apt-file for that sort of thing
08:52<hoshi411>Hello all
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08:52<abrotman>f0rk: and he's still asking ?
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08:53<hoshi411>I'm trying to install debian-kde squeeze i383 and im having trouble at the part where it asks to select a mirror
08:53<hoshi411>it seems like no matter which one I select... none of them work
08:53<abrotman>hoshi411: is your ISP using a proxy?
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08:54<hoshi411>abrotman: I don't think so.... but I don't know how to find out
08:54<hoshi411>but if it was a network error I would have gotten an error before this stage right?
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08:54<abrotman>hoshi411: you'd probably know .. but you could call them to find out .. alternately .. yank the NIC cable .. setup network and mirrors after the install is done
08:54<hoshi411>wouldn't it give me errors when trying to set my time with the network time server?
08:55<abrotman>different protocol
08:55<lamby_>what is software RAID like in the stock stable kernel..?
08:55<hoshi411>abrotman: but i'm doing the install from the netinstall iso so ... unless it connects to a mirror... im pretty much not going anywhere
08:55<abrotman>hoshi411: wrong .. it will complete the install ..
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08:56<f0rk>lamby_: that's rather open ended, can you be more specific?
08:56<hoshi411>but unless I don't want to install a DE.... im going to have to connect sometime O_o
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08:57<hoshi411>I actually already did the install with the CD iso but that did not have enough software for me... so I decided to just go with the netinstall because I thought I would be able to choose at install
08:57<bony>f0rk: I didn't find the file. as you suggested i should go to #linuxtv and ask them on how to fix this problem. Thanks for your inputs
08:57<hoshi411>funny that I never had this problem when installing debian on my powerpc
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08:57<hoshi411>O_o
08:57<lamby_>f0rk: sorry. I have two 250GB drives. Server grade. getting hardware RAID is going to cost a lot.. so for resiliance I'm trying to work out if I should go for software RAID, or, just use LVM snapshots and create live clones to the 2nd disk using dd (or something like that).
08:58<f0rk>if this is production anything I would say go with hardware raid
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09:00<f0rk>I use software raid at home, but I can't comment on resilience because since I set it up I haven't lost a disk
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09:00<lamby_>f0rk: it's production in so far as I'm using it for my own services and they're important. but a business doesn't depend on it. but at the same time I'd like to make best use of the two disks. not sure what my options are
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09:06<f0rk>lamby_: you could try lvm then. there is even a way to "fail" disks so you can see waht happens
09:06<lamby_>f0rk: oh is there. I'm glad you told me about that. I'll RTFM.
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09:12<f0rk>lamby_: also I feel compelled to point out that raid is not backups :)
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09:13<lamby_>f0rk: I know. What I need is some kind of redundency. Either by mirroring or.. mirroring myself in user space
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09:14<f0rk>lamby_: good :) because some people confuse the two
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09:14<dmm>jwz on backups: http://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html
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09:15<lamby_>f0rk: I don't even need to do it I'm just trying to mitigate against drive failures and since I have TWO disks I may as well make use of them somehow :)
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09:15*f0rk nods
09:16<dmm>lamby_: Copy the first disk to the second every night. If the first disk fails, just boot off the second
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09:16<lamby_>dmm: exactly what I was thinking of doing. hence lvm snapshots to backup the live filesystem using dd. create a pure physical image. if the 1st one fails just boot 2nd one
09:17<lamby_>dmm: but I wasn't sure if I may be better of using software RAID-1
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09:18<dmm>I like regular, manual copies because that protects you from accidental "rm -rf"s as well
09:18<dmm>lvm is a lot of fun though
09:19<lamby_>f0rk also mentioned a feature of LVM to failover to the 2nd disk.. which sounds interesting. Just wanted to ask here before I set it up :)
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09:27<hoshi411>im having trouble finding the debian squeeze kde install dvd
09:27<hoshi411>can someone pitch me a link to it
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09:27<hoshi411>google is just giving me the iso page but I cant seem to find it there
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09:29<hoshi411>i found the cd kde iso but I cant find the dvd kde iso
09:29<hoshi411>you know with more packages bundled
09:29<hoshi411>the cd iso was amazingly lacking O_o
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09:30<hoshi411>so Im looking for the squeeze-kde-dvd.iso
09:30<dmm>hoshi411: Are you installing onto a machine without internet access? Why not install with the cd and use 'aptitude' to get the rest of what you want?
09:30<hoshi411>dmm how can I use aptitude without internet access?
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09:31<hoshi411>i'de rather install from the dvd so there is more software that can help me configure my internet and then from there install with aptitude
09:31<dmm>hoshi411: You can. It's just not very useful :)
09:31<hoshi411>:p
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09:32<dmm>You couldn't get your network connection working with the cd install?
09:32<hoshi411>dmm right
09:32<hoshi411>i got an error at the beginning that
09:32<hoshi411>i didnt have drivers for the intel network ... something or other
09:32<hoshi411>iwlwifi
09:32<hoshi411>so that might have something to do with it but I thought that was just wifi
09:32<hoshi411>I tried connecting with the lan cable
09:33<hoshi411>that did not work either
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09:34<dmm>The iwlwifi firmware is non-free. It won't be included on an install cd. You can tell the installer where to get it I think.
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09:34<hoshi411>dmm yea but I don't think I need it to connect via ethernet
09:34<hoshi411>but anyways
09:35<hoshi411>does anyone know where I can get the install dvd for the kde spin of squeeze?
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09:35<hoshi411>i only have like 20 more min of internet to get it downloaded
09:35<ansgar>hoshi411: At the same place where you can get the others?
09:35<hoshi411>ansgar it's not there
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09:36<ansgar>hoshi411: Hmm, there is a KDE CD, but no KDE DVD. Maybe both GNOME and KDE are on the first DVD then?
09:37<dmm>hoshi411: Is there a kde specific dvd?
09:37<hoshi411>check for yourself http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/
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09:38<hoshi411>ansgar: OK i guess ill just download the dvd and check if kde is on it
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09:40<tale>hoshi411: There is KDE Live for Debian. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/
09:41<hoshi411>tale: that is even better thank you
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09:42<toilet>hey boy
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09:45<hoshi411>in the kde version does anyone know what graphical package manager I use?
09:45<hoshi411>like gnome has synaptic
09:45<hoshi411>but ... kde is different right?
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09:46<project2501a>god, veto is fuckin up youtue
09:46<hoshi411>after the cd install .... kde left me hanging with no way to troubleshoot my internet access problem and no graphical package manager O_o
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09:57<Zathras>hi. I am running Debian Squueze on some HP hardware. I tried to install some HP specific packages as provided by their deb repository. It appears that they do not support my hardware. But the "hp-health" package get 1/2 installed. I cannot uninstall it or purge it as long as it is not fully installed. So their install scripts are crap.
09:58<project2501a>Zathras: the HP packages have a dependency on snmp
09:58<Zathras>This still leaves me with the question: how to get rid of it. dpkg --force-all -i did not do the trick of installing. Similar thing for force uninstall
09:58<project2501a>fix the uninstall script
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10:03<terceroeso>hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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10:03<estela>hola
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10:04<polooooooooop>HELOU
10:04<polooooooooop>JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ
10:04<babilen>!es-social
10:04<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:04<polooooooooop>tercerosesos
10:04<polooooooooop>jajajajajajajajajajajaja
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10:05<ansgar>Same people as this morning.
10:05<babilen>Indeed
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10:11<Zathras>project2501a, I was hoping for an alternative to fixing a rather lengthy start/stop script
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10:11<Zathras>http://pastie.org/2872645 <-- at least it seems that an exit 1 is playing a part in this
10:12<project2501a>Zathras: they are not that lengthy
10:12<project2501a>it's an easy fix
10:12<project2501a>just make sure that before you install hp's utils you got ntp, ifs and snmp* installed. in that order
10:13<project2501a>iLO 3 ftw
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10:20<Zathras>script is over 800 lines long. changing an exit value did not do the trick
10:20<project2501a>erh
10:20<project2501a>set #/bin/sh -xv
10:20<project2501a>easier to debug
10:20<project2501a>anywya
10:20<project2501a>it's an easy fix
10:21<project2501a>i think will open a new section on the blog "LSF: how much does it suck.
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10:32<Zathras>got it fixed now
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10:54<giovanni>que pasa amigos
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10:57<madduck>does anyone know of a pdf editor with page thumbnails that I can use to re-arrange and selectively delete pages in a PDF?
10:57<madduck>gscan2pdf kinda does it, but thumbnails on imported docs are broken.
10:57<jhutchins_lt>madduck: PDFs are designed to NOT be edited.
10:58<jhutchins_lt>madduck: You are supposed to have the original non-PDF document and make your changes to that.
10:58<madduck>jhutchins_lt: that's just wrong.
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10:58<madduck>maybe the page itself should not be content-edited, but pages can be rearranged trivially
10:58<madduck>e.g. pdftk
10:59<madduck>for this task here (250 page document), I would prefer to be able to use a graphical tool though
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10:59<madduck>just because there are no open-source PDF editors, or no usable ones anyway, does not make PDF an uneditable format
10:59<jhutchins_lt>madduck: No, it's how PDF's were intended.
11:00<jhutchins_lt>madduck: Adobe's intention was to have the electronic equivalent of a printed page.
11:00<jhutchins_lt>madduck: You can't edit a printed page.
11:00<madduck>but you can rearrange them
11:00<madduck>anyway, I am not interested in this debate
11:00<jhutchins_lt>madduck: Even Adobe's own PDF editor has very limited ability, and PDFs can be created that it can't edit.
11:00<madduck>if you don't have a solution, then maybe someone else does
11:01<jhutchins_lt>madduck: This is not me not having a solution, this is me knowing how PDFs were developed by Adobe.
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11:01<jhutchins_lt>madduck: You can try converting them to a different format that's meant to be editable.
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11:02<jhutchins_lt>madduck: Adobe's intention is that you have the original document, and if you need to make changes you edit the original and create a new PDF.
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11:06<madduck>jhutchins_lt: please stop telling me about adobe's intentions or other such theories when I am trying to ask a different question.
11:06<project2501a>how on earth can people produce so much shit code
11:06<madduck>does anyone know of a pdf editor with page thumbnails that I can use to re-arrange and selectively delete pages in a PDF?
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11:06<project2501a>how on earth can you compile without using -Wall -Werror -pedantic ?
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11:07<madduck>project2501a: "-Wall -Werror -pedantic" is for debugging, not for release code. Compilers and linkers change, and it would be wrong to use -Werror on released code.
11:07<project2501a>why?
11:08<project2501a>it's compiled code
11:08<madduck>but it might then not be compilable again with a new compiler
11:08<project2501a>*shrug* my standard for the past ten years has been gcc
11:09<project2501a>it has shown to be quite up to the task of handling large chunks, and not failing to be ansi compliant
11:09<project2501a>which is not what i can say for the intel compiler
11:09<madduck>but gcc brings new warnings with each release, created to help people write better code that can be compiled and optimised even better by gcc
11:09<sney>your own standards for quality / stability may differ from those established by, for instance, a linux distribution
11:10<project2501a>sney: true
11:10<project2501a>thank god i am running the best distro ever :D
11:10<madduck>if you have -Werror and your code compiled cleanly with 3.2, and now debian does a archive-wide recompile with 4.0, it might fail due to new warnings
11:11<themill>madduck: pdfshuffler
11:11<madduck>that said: I agree that everyone should develop with those flags!
11:11<babilen>yay themill!
11:11<project2501a>hehehe
11:11*project2501a ^5s madduck
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11:12<madduck>project2501a: right, but you must remove -Werror from the release tarball
11:12<madduck>i.e. only use it when DEBUG is defined
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11:13<project2501a>hm
11:13<project2501a>ok
11:13<project2501a>madduck: been fixing other people's code all day
11:13<madduck>good person
11:13<project2501a>not really
11:14<project2501a>said people don't publish under the gpl
11:14*babilen serves tea and cake in #debian-offtopic if you want to continue this discussion ;)
11:14<project2501a>erh. sorry :)
11:14<babilen>No problem at all ..
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11:15<madduck>themill: seems nice, but why do some pages show up as thumbnails and others as full size?
11:16<themill>madduck: nfc... I've only ever used it once; normally pdftk suffices for me
11:16<madduck>yeah, normally, except in this case it's too much typing ;)
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11:17<dimedo_>hi. I'm trying to create a Xen 64 bit HVM guest on an old Debian Lenny amd64 hypervisor. always when trying to boot the kernel from cd the guest machine freezes. same config with 32 bit installer cd works fine. what am i doing wrong? detailed problem description here: http://serverfault.com/questions/331386/64-bit-hvm-guest-freezes-while-booting-on-debian-lenny-64-bit-xen-hypervisor
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11:20<amoe>hrm, is it a bug that isc-dhcp-server fails to start when it's first installed?
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11:20<amoe>apparently it needs to know the subnet through debconf, but it doesn't ask me any debconf questions
11:21<madduck>amoe: the dhcp server needs more configuration upon first install than can reasonably be exported through debconf, so yes
11:22<sney>there may also be something in /etc/default/dhcpd or so that is keeping it from starting as a safety measure
11:22<amoe>... so it is a bug? or not? I know it's trivial, but just wondering if i should report it or not
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11:24<madduck>amoe: it is not a bug
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11:24<madduck>amoe: it might be a worthwhile feature request, but I guarantee you that it won't get honoured without a patch
11:24<amoe>madduck: ok :) thanks
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11:30<jhutchins_lt>amoe: Not a bug, more "Read the directions and find out what you're actually doing before you do something that will crash a network" feature.
11:30<jhutchins_lt>madduck: A dhcp server should _not_ be started automatically without manual configuration.
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11:31<jhutchins_lt>I have spent hours tracking down rogue DHCP servers because some idiot plugged in some linksys router with dhcp enabled.
11:32<amoe>jhutchins_lt, ack.
11:33<lamby_>jhutchins_lt: A lot of bad manufactuers of basic routers come with DHCP server enabled as a default which is braindead.
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11:33<jhutchins_lt>lamby_: Yeah, I know. Oh how I know.
11:34<madduck>jhutchins_lt: I never suggested it should. Please take your time to read.
11:35<jhutchins_lt>lamby_: With wireless becoming more necessary in large network environments, which are slow to roll out new technology, there were a lot of cases where people would just go buy a wrt54g and plug it in to their network jack.
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11:36<sney>doing that with the uplink should be safe, so I guess you have people buying wrts and then plugging them in wrong. are you a campus sysad?
11:37<sney> /ot
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11:37<vomver>Hi, i need help with ATI Drivers...
11:37<sney>what gpu?
11:38<vomver>6870 HD
11:38<lamby_>jhutchins_lt: exactly the same problem here and exactly the same model!
11:38<sney>!fglrx dkms
11:38<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
11:38<sney>vomver: ^ follow those instructions
11:38<vomver>Thanks! :D
11:38<sney>np
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11:45<iman>when I went to youtubw and some similar website to show stream movie, I can't see anything except an black screen, would you please some one help me, i'm not professional in debian
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11:50<MrFrood>iman: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
11:50<ballison>sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Sense Key : Medium Error [current]
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11:51<ballison>is that the first or second drive in array?
11:51<iman>MrFrood, so appreciate man :)
11:52<ballison>thats got to be second drive. first drive would be sda 0:0:0:0
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12:01<grummund>Hi, i'm having trouble with wget not honouring the --no-parent switch with a recursive download.
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12:02<grummund>also tried --exclude-directories=... to no avail, it still ascends to the parent directory
12:03<grummund>anyone else seen this behaviour or have a suggestion, please?
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12:11<Vomver>This script kill my X server...
12:11<Vomver>I cant install the 6870 drivers :S
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12:13<sney>Vomver: the *first step* of those instructions is to quit your X server.
12:13<Vomver>and i did it
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12:13<Vomver>well... i search on google, and i do /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
12:14<Vomver>and before run the script, and the X dont start...
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12:15<Vomver>after reboot, only the ttys are...
12:15<sney>Vomver: please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I have to leave now but someone else may be able to help you, and they will need it as well
12:15<Vomver>mmm... there is any IRC Client for shell?
12:16<sney>irssi
12:16<alexl>Vomver: irssi among others
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12:16<Vomver>Ok thanks
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12:20<ukine>does ntfs-3g make use of the system volume information folder?
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12:23<vomver>Hi, anyone can help me with my X server?
12:24<vomver>I've tried to install ATI Drivers and the graphic interface downs
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12:27<chealer>vomver: just ask your question
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12:28<vomver>My graphics interface don't starts, what can i do?
12:28<retrospectacus>vomver: sney asked you to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log - you can install and use pastbinit to do this without a gui
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12:31<vomver>My Xorg.0.log in -> http://pastebin.com/nKMw6zQC
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12:32<retrospectacus>nice work. Now read that file yourself and you will see the problem
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12:34<vomver>No screens detected? (Sorry, im from Spain and my english is too bad)
12:34<retrospectacus>Parse error on line 1 of section InputClass in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf
12:34<retrospectacus>"-e" is not a valid keyword in this section.
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12:35<retrospectacus>you probably messed up the "echo" part of the instructions. Try it again.
12:35<vomver>run the script again?
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12:36<retrospectacus>what script?
12:36<retrospectacus>just open that file for editing with nano or vim and fix it
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12:36<vomver>oh, ok
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12:41<Vomver>now i have this message: Unsopported Hardware
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12:42<retrospectacus>Vomver: what is the output of: lspci -nn |grep -i vga
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12:42<Vomver>now im on other OS... now i cant enter to a ttys
12:42<retrospectacus>gave up on irssi?
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12:43<Vomver>I cant enter to the ttys and cant enter to Gnome :S
12:43<Vomver>Now im on other O.S.
12:44<retrospectacus>then we can't really help you, can we?
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12:44<Vomver>I erase the -e in the file
12:44<Vomver>and reboot the computer... and seems a message: "Unsuported Hardware"
12:44<jhutchins_lt>Vomver: irssi is a console based IRC client. lynx is a console based browser. GPM is a mouse daemon that gives you cut-and-paste in consoles.
12:45<retrospectacus>he's got his xorg.conf such that he cannot access the TTYs or gdm, apparently
12:45<Vomver>Yes, but now, i cant enter to debian :S
12:46<Vomver>Do i have to reainstall all the system?
12:47<jhutchins_lt>!es
12:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:47<jhutchins_lt>Vomver: Can you boot to rescue mode?
12:48<jhutchins_lt>,versions clementine
12:48<judd>Package: clementine on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 0.5.3-1.3; sid: 0.7.1+dfsg-4; wheezy: 0.7.1+dfsg-4
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12:48<Vomver>wait, i go to try it (boot to rescue mode)
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12:50<jhutchins_lt>We'll be here...
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12:51<vomver>Yes, now im in Rescue Mode
12:51<retrospectacus>vomver: great, now what is the output of: lspci -nn |grep -i vga
12:52<vomver>i need to exit irssi, i only have one tty
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12:54<vomver>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:6738]
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12:56<vomver>I haven a HD 6870
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12:59<chealer>vomver: which driver do you use?
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13:00<vomver>First the public driver, but the problems wents when i try to install que privative driver
13:01<retrospectacus>vomver: are these the directions you followed to install the proprietary driver? http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
13:02<vomver>No, i followed the official .run of AMD/ATI webpage
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13:03<chealer>vomver: ATI's installer is not supported here.
13:03<vomver>mmm I'm new with Debian
13:03<vomver>I dont know what install, public or private...
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13:05<vomver>What can I do to repair the system?
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13:08<vomver>I have to reinstall all the debian?
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13:10<retrospectacus>vomver: that would work, or try following the directions I just sent you, or remove that fglrx.conf file to (hopefully) go back to the default driver
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13:10<chealer>vomver: no. you can uninstall the driver you install
13:11<vomver>chealer: how?
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13:16<damiano>greetings
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13:18<jhutchins_lt>Wouldn't it work to just move/rename the xorg.conf file and let it autodetect again?
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13:20<jhutchins_lt>,pciid 1002:6738
13:20<judd>[1002:6738] is 'Barts XT [ATI Radeon HD 6800 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6738 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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13:22<retrospectacus>Barts?
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13:24<confrey>hi everybody
13:24<confrey>I need some help, I downloaded first wheezy dvd, but installation don't complete
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13:28<babilen>confrey: Which is why you don't use a development version of the Debian installer. Please use the stable *installer*. I would also recommend to install squeeze with it first (and not use the stable installer to install wheezy) and upgrade to wheezy after the installation. Please note that wheezy is supported in #debian-next
13:29<babilen>confrey: The issue might also be easy to solve, so what is the actual problem? (but lets take it to -next)
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13:39<confrey>ok, go to -next
13:39<confrey>thanks
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13:40<AquaL1te>is there a way to get smoother animations in squeeze? i ran wheezy very smooth but compiz in squeezy is a bit less smooth
13:40<chealer>retrospectacus: presumably an ATI codename
13:40<AquaL1te>i have nvidia
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13:43<AquaL1te>with iceweasel closed it's solved, then squeeze is smooth again...
13:44<AquaL1te>i first had 3.5 i now upgraded to iceweasel 8.0, the same issue
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13:45<dimedo_>hi. I'm trying to create a Xen 64 bit HVM guest on an old Debian Lenny amd64 hypervisor. always when trying to boot the kernel from cd the guest machine freezes. same config with 32 bit installer cd works fine. what am i doing wrong? detailed problem description here: http://serverfault.com/questions/331386/64-bit-hvm-guest-freezes-while-booting-on-debian-lenny-64-bit-xen-hypervisor
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13:50<EmleyMoor>I'm running squeeze with a backport kernel and cannot get nfs-kernel-server to work. http://paste.debian.net/145633/ is what happens
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13:54<lau>I just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy but got the libgstreamer0.10-0 issue any idea how to fix this ?
13:55<babilen>lau: Please ask in #debian-next, thank you very much! It would also be great if you could tell us what "the libgstreamer0.10-0 issue" is :)
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14:01<EmleyMoor>If I could fix nfs I could happily work on a few other ideas I've got up my sleeve... not that any of them needs nfs, it's just that they're less urgent
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14:15<EmleyMoor>I'm no longer scratching my head about nfs on this setup - I'm now banging it
14:17<EmleyMoor>I don't have to use the backported nfs, of course, unless the non-backported won't work - but all the evidence suggests that it doesn't
14:18<EmleyMoor>(I do have to use the backported kernel, if I watnt sound recording)
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14:28<EmleyMoor>Got the squeeze-proposed-updates nfs on now, but it's not serving effectively
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14:29<EmleyMoor>(the whole reason I tried the backport)
14:31<AquaL1te>looks like the debian community isn't the best one at support :(
14:31<AquaL1te>the forum isn't helpful either for me
14:31<EmleyMoor>Normally very helpful - very quiet on this issue though
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14:32<AquaL1te>okay :) hope so
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14:33*EmleyMoor is rolling nfs back to mainline squeeze
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14:34<EmleyMoor>That doesn't serve either
14:36<EmleyMoor>This is looking like a problem with the backported 2.6.3[89] kernel
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14:40<carlos_>ola
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14:48<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not as bad as I thought...
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14:58<steph_>hi, does anyone know about active channels for usb live creation?
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15:01<grise-eminence>good evening
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15:03<grise-eminence>do you now if the asus x53sc is compatible with linux debian? i haven't found anything in internet...
15:04<g0rs>grise-eminence: there is a website which lists all laptops compatible with debian . I dont recall its name
15:04<grise-eminence>linunx-laptop.net?
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15:05<g0rs>not sure , maybe
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15:06<grise-eminence>However, the site doesn't say anything...
15:07<grise-eminence>how do I?
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15:08<steph_>hi, does anyone know if it is possible to resize a partition on usb that contains a bootable os???
15:08<EmleyMoor>I don't know quite how, but nfs works again :-)
15:08<steph_>I have tried with gparted but get an error...
15:08<g0rs>grise-eminence: not sure, there might be information out there to set up debian os
15:09<grise-eminence>ok thanks
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15:10<steph_>btw it's formatted fat32, 4gb kingston, with debian live in one big partition...
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15:11<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way I can add authentication to exim, so that when I'm not on my home network, I can still send mail through it?
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15:13<EmleyMoor>(I want exim to be open to my internal systems, and to be able to authenticate to it to then send mail through it from outside)
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15:14<EmleyMoor>This is so that Icedove and the like could be used remotely
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15:26<vomver>Does the stable version support HD 6870?
15:28<valdyn>EmleyMoor: thats in the usual README in /usr/share/doc
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15:28<sney->vomver: good question
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15:28<sney->judd: versions fglrx-driver
15:28<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-10-1
15:28<jhutchins_lt>steph_: Debian live on fat32?
15:29<jhutchins_lt>steph_: There's always the traditional backup-repartition-restore option.
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15:31<_neil_>jhutchins_lt: fat32 is bad... not for you
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15:33<chealer>vomver: neither yes nor no... support is relative. that card is surely not completely supported, and must be minimally supported too
15:33<steph_>jhutchins_lt:yes, I made it using the universal usb installer prgram for windows...
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15:33<steph_>it's a really easy way to make live usb.
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15:34<steph_>some distros it offers support for persistent changes, and allows you to partition the flash drive within.
15:34<steph_>but not for debian.
15:35<steph_>so I try to use gparted to resize after creation, but no dice.
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15:40<Romen>hi everyone xD
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15:42<Romen>I need help with my sound. Ive got Debian Squeeze and I dont have sound in any installed browser.
15:42<Romen>KDE installed
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15:43<Romen>so? no one is going to help me? xD
15:44<retrospectacus>patience
15:44<sney->kde uses pulseaudio by default
15:44<sney->and pulseaudio is mysterious voodoo to me
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15:44<sney->romen, do you have sound otherwise? like from a media player?
15:44<retrospectacus>Romen: 64 bit?
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15:45<Romen>32 bit, yes, sound works in Kopete, Amarok etc
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15:45<Romen>also checked skype and works perfectly
15:45<retrospectacus>Romen: what website are you trying to get sound out of
15:46<Romen>youtube
15:46<Romen>and some browser games
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15:47<Romen>I think I found a problem, but I dont know how to solve it:
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15:48<Romen>In System Settings my default card is VIA52xx, but in /proc/asound/cards I can see that my SBLive! is set as default
15:48<Romen>still, sound in apps work in VIA52xx
15:49<Romen>sry, VIA82xx
15:49<Romen>may it be the reason?
15:49<retrospectacus>well I have a similar problem where flash cannot play while any other app is using the soundcard, I have to stop them and refresh the page (sometimes several times) but that is on amd64
15:50<retrospectacus>*flash can play but has no sound
15:50<chealer>Romen: which browsers?
15:50<jhutchins_lt>Romen: Some apps like amarok access the sound drivers directly. Others go through KDE's sound system. What browser are you using?
15:50<Romen>chrome, opera, icewheasel
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15:51<jhutchins_lt>Romen: Have you tried changing the card in the system settings?
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15:51<Romen>yes, as I said, my default card in system settings is VT82xx (its just like I want to)
15:53<jhutchins_lt>Romen: Ok, what you need to change is the Alsa setting that's creating /proc/asound/cards then.
15:53<jhutchins_lt>!alsa
15:53<dpkg>The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
15:53<Romen>ok, can I have any help? :D
15:53<Romen>or I have to google it myself?
15:53<valdyn>Romen: no, you need to google before you even ask here
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15:54<Romen>I know but there wasnt any solution for my problem so I asked here. Im fighting with it for 2 days :D
15:55<Romen>+ I have another problem :D It doesnt do anything bad but its annoying
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15:55<valdyn>Romen: which sound applications work simulatously, which dont
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15:55<Romen>so
15:55<Romen>Amarok works perfectly
15:55<Romen>Skype also
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15:55<Romen>I have KDE login and logout music
15:55<valdyn>Romen: simultanously?
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15:56<valdyn>Romen: run "ps aux | grep pulse"
15:56<_neil_>Romen: can you turn of build audio card in BIOS?
15:56<valdyn>Romen: does amarok work fine while youre using skype?
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15:57<Romen>valdyn: Wait a moment, I want to check it :P, neil: I want to use my built-in audio card
15:57<retrospectacus>Romen: why do you have an additional soundscard at all?
15:57<chealer>Romen: let's take Iceweasel. how did you verify you don't have sound in it?
15:58<valdyn>Romen: you make being helped hard if you have not done basic tests before asking, fyi
15:58<Romen>retro: for my microphone
15:58<Romen>valdyn: yes, it work at the same time
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15:59<valdyn>Romen: ok, now what about that "ps aux | grep pulse" ?
15:59<jhutchins_lt>Romen: See the resources that dpkg posted above.
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15:59<Romen>tomek 4926 0.0 0.0 3316 776 pts/1 S+ 21:59 0:00 grep pulse
15:59<jhutchins_lt>Romen: I told you what you needed to do.
15:59<valdyn>Romen: ok
15:59<Romen>too many questions at the same time
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16:00<Romen>chealer: I went on youtube and heared that there's no sound in films there
16:00<valdyn>Romen: whats in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc ?
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16:01<valdyn>Romen: btw, i forgot this: does skype and your amarok use the same sound card?
16:01<Romen>yes, it does
16:01<chealer>Romen: please be specific...what kind of films?
16:01<valdyn>Romen: ok
16:01<valdyn>Romen: so far your tests confirm that only iceweasel is not being cooperative?
16:01<Romen>no sound in chrome and opera as well
16:02<valdyn>Romen: yea, some deal, but is that confirmed by all tests you did so far?
16:02<valdyn>Romen: *same* deal i mean -> its all adobe flash
16:02<Romen>yes, its all adobe flash
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16:02<valdyn>Romen: show us /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
16:03<_neil_>Romen: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
16:03<valdyn>Romen: also show us /dev/dsp
16:03<Romen># which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
16:03<Romen>ICEWEASEL_DSP="none"
16:03<Romen>its in /etc/icewheasel/icewheaselrc
16:03<valdyn>Romen: funny uh
16:03<valdyn>Romen: change that "none" to "auto"
16:03<Romen>flash plugin is already installed
16:03<valdyn>Romen: you had sound switched off there
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16:05<_neil_>valdyn: i have got ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" there, but it works for me
16:05<_neil_>maybe another problem....
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16:05<valdyn>_neil_: its possible that this is only for old flash
16:06<valdyn>_neil_: its just a LD_PRELOADER for /dev/dsp wrappers i believe
16:06<valdyn>_neil_: and newer adobe flash does not use that
16:06<valdyn>_neil_: but lets see what Romen finds out..
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16:06<_neil_>ofcourse
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16:07<Romen>no, it didnt worked
16:08<valdyn>Romen: how do you know its not using the other sound card?
16:08<Romen>its completely muted and its at the last position in the systemsettings
16:08<chealer>Romen: if you didn't test anything but Flash, it's likely just a problem with Flash
16:09<valdyn>im sure its a problem with flash anyway
16:09<valdyn>but im less sure he did a proper test between amarok and skype
16:10<valdyn>Romen: can you look up in skypes configuration what the sound output device is set to ( literally please )
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16:11<valdyn>Romen: if its muted then you cant hear adobe flash outputting sound there...
16:11<_neil_> cat /etc/group|grep audio - audio:x:29:neil
16:12<valdyn>_neil_: skype is working
16:12<Romen>HDA VIA VT82xx, ALC883 Analog Default Audio Device (default:CARD=VT82xx)
16:12<valdyn>Romen: thats *specifically* set to a device it seems
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16:12<cooldude>by mistake a drug the logout button to the top panel, i cant right click and delete, what are my options for removing it
16:12<_neil_>valdyn: sorry
16:12<valdyn>Romen: but adobe flash might be using you sb live
16:13<valdyn>Romen: didnt you state earlier that sb live is your default device?
16:13<valdyn>Romen: yea you did
16:13<valdyn>Romen: flash is there
16:13<dardevelin>Hi, sorry i know this is unrelated however affects us all - Today, Congress holds hearings on the first American Internet censorship system.
16:13<dardevelin>This bill can pass. If it does the Internet and free speech will never be the same.
16:13<dardevelin>Join all of us to stop this bill. http://americancensorship.org/
16:13<Romen>but its no default in system settings
16:13<valdyn>Romen: ok, theres your error
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16:13<valdyn>Romen: system settings are irrelevant for this
16:14<Romen>ok
16:14<Romen>so
16:14<valdyn>Romen: hold on...
16:15<Romen>ok
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16:16<valdyn>Romen: look at the paragraph "How do I ste the default device?" at http://www.seehuhn.de/pages/alsa
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16:16<anecdotalrabbit>I have two desktops and three hard drives. Desktop A is a HP, Desktop B is a Compaq; Harddrive 1 has Mint 11, Harddrive 2 has Mint 11, and Harddrive 3 has Windows 7. Desktop A will load all of the harddrives, Desktop B will only load harddrive 3 however if I try to load either Mint install it gives the error message "No Input Support." Anyone on who can help with this?
16:18<Romen>ok, Im gonna check it
16:18<Romen>I hope it will works, thanks for a trouble
16:18<valdyn>Romen: proprietary software tends to be years late to the game in the linux audio stack developments - thats why your system settings cant fix this
16:18<_neil_>valdyn: well
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16:19<haylo>what do you get when you cross A with B and then mutilpy by desktopx? anecdotalrabbit
16:20<anecdotalrabbit>You'll need to explain that for me, haylo
16:20<Romen>if Im here, do you know any solution to constantly appearing kernel:[ 6081.934367] do_IRQ: 0.91 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) in my console?
16:20<valdyn>Romen: hardware bug most probably
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16:21<valdyn>Romen: i would ignore this if it has no effect that really matters
16:21<Romen>not really, its just annoying when typing sth in console
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16:21<Romen>ok
16:21<valdyn>Romen: ok, read the top lines in /etc/sysctl.conf
16:23<Romen>it says that /etc/sysctl.conf is configuration file for setting system variables :D
16:23<valdyn>Romen: try a few more lines
16:24<ml|>better to use /etc/sysctl.d/ read... /etc/sysctl.d/README.sysctl
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16:26<Romen>valdyn: it says sth about network security
16:26<Romen>but nvm, I gtg now ;)
16:26<Romen>thanks for help
16:26<Romen>and for trouble
16:26<valdyn>Romen: ok, my file sais # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console
16:27<Romen>so if I uncomment it, this message wont appear anymore? :D
16:27<valdyn>!tias
16:27<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
16:27<Romen>:D ok
16:28<Romen>I was seeing some things in Ubuntu some time ago and it havent gone well
16:28<Romen>so I want to be careful
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16:43<joansirley>hello her
16:43<sweil>Is out of bounds access to a std::vector a security problem or just a simple bug (it causes a crash of debian application)?
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16:44<joansirley>first time here
16:44<joansirley>and newbie
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16:45<joansirley>some human here
16:45<joansirley>;)
16:45<retrospectacus>joansirley: welcome to the Debian support channel. Please just describe your problem in as much detail as possible.
16:45<joansirley>ok
16:45<devil>joansirley: if you have a debian-related question, just ask directly
16:45<joansirley>ok
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16:45<joansirley>#ubuntu
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16:46<devil>:)
16:46<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc joansirley
16:46<dpkg>joansirley: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
16:46<ompaul>na we aren't
16:46<joansirley>thanks a lot dpkg
16:46<joansirley>;)
16:47<ompaul>the bot is clever
16:47<joansirley>it's humn like
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16:48<ompaul>it has to answer humans, it was programmed by humans, ;-)
16:48<ompaul>devil: du safely today?
16:48<ompaul>wooops
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16:49<joansirley>do /server irc.freenode.net
16:49<joansirley>sorry
16:49<joansirley>first time in ir
16:50<joansirley>irc
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16:50<ompaul>no spaces in front of the /
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17:04<glow_wolf>what is the default login manager for kfreebsd whith xfce
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17:05<retrospectacus>glow_wolf: probably nothing. use startx or install one
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17:06<glow_wolf>I installed kfree and selected graphic desktop and used aptitude install lxde then xfce4 xfce4 starts when i type start xfce4
17:07<glow_wolf>I cant find a login manager on the install disk
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17:08<retrospectacus>!display manager
17:08<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer
17:08<glow_wolf>Thats really what i wont to know is there one on the disk
17:09<retrospectacus>I do not have a disk here to check that.
17:09<glow_wolf>Ok
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17:18<EmleyMoor>Almost got exim doing what I want
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17:18<EmleyMoor>I can't see how to make it demand auth from outside, and not need it inside - and how to define them
17:18<EmleyMoor>(TLS and auth are up)
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17:32<EmleyMoor>One odd problem with my laptop - Network Manager allows me to connect to my mobile network via my phone, once - but ceases to list it if I disconnect - it is listed again the next time I log into the machine. Why would that happen?
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17:33<EmleyMoor>(not sure it actually works again without a reboot, either)
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17:36<EmleyMoor>Ah - it could be the phone that needs resetting, on the "not working again" - but that doesn't explain why it disappears
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17:53<EmleyMoor>What's the right way to set the permissions on /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket so that exim can use it?
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17:57<EmleyMoor>Got it doing just what I need now, but unsure of those permissions...
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18:02<EmleyMoor>How can I use nvidia drivers with thi 2.6.39 kernel in squeeze-backports? (will the drivers from wheezy work?)
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18:06<Mephisto>hi
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18:07<Mephisto>i have a problem mounting CD media for some reason... when i insert it it takes a long time for system to respond and everything freezes up. Eventually it gets unfrozen, but that's kinda annoying. Any ideas?
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18:08<retrospectacus>Mephisto: anythink interesting in dmesg?
18:08<Mephisto>erm.. tell me where it is... i'm new to linux in general... if you don't mind,
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18:09<retrospectacus>run "dmesg" in the terminal. This will show you umm messages.
18:09<Mephisto>ok
18:09<retrospectacus>!dmesg
18:09<dpkg>dmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents.
18:09<Mephisto>i see.... thanks
18:09<Mephisto>well... lotsa text..
18:10<retrospectacus>yes if your drive is acting up you may see some messages about it at the bottom
18:10<retrospectacus>most of it is stuff from booting
18:10<Mephisto>thanks you!
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18:11<ml|>EmleyMoor: best to wait for a backport or try it yourself /msg dpkg ssb
18:11<EmleyMoor>ml|: I'll wait, until I either overcome the issues that are currently swaying me against nouveau or until there's a backport
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18:12<Mephisto> 41.863922] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code
18:12<Mephisto>[ 41.863930] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
18:12<Mephisto>[ 41.863938] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Medium Error [current]
18:12<Mephisto>[ 41.863947] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error
18:12<Mephisto>[ 41.863955] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 04 e8 56 00 00 01 00
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18:13<Mephisto>sorry.
18:13<retrospectacus>Mephisto: looks like errors. May be a bad optical drive or disk
18:13<Mephisto>can't be...
18:14<Mephisto>works normally on... well, you know what.
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18:14<retrospectacus>hmmm
18:14<Mephisto>it's very good.. so something else is wrong here... something about mounting devices..
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18:14<Mephisto>by the way.. usb acts funny too.. but only one thing, i can't "safely remove" the device, only eject it. When i click the first one it brings some error too.
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18:15<Mephisto>in other words, i eject it instead. Works the same way, though.
18:15<Mephisto>dvd mounts normally.
18:15<Mephisto>only cd is funky
18:15<Mephisto>any cd
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18:18<EmleyMoor>Sounds like a dodgy drive
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18:19<jhutchins_lt>Mephisto: Yeah, sounds like hardware, bad drive or possibly bad disk.
18:20<Mephisto>drive maybe, yeah..
18:20<EmleyMoor>If it fails similarly with all CDs, it will be the drive - had it happen once that one lost CD but was fine with DVD - other way round more common though
18:21<Mephisto>i can tell you how it acts on windows...
18:21<Mephisto>it was slowing up my system when i was burning CD.
18:21<Mephisto>like dma didn't work for it.
18:21<StudentT>How is Debian's hardware raid controller driver support? It looks like it loses out on Intel and maybe IBM cards due to licensing issues. Does 3view make good quality products(they seem to support Debian out of box)?
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18:25<alexl>StudentT: you mean 3ware?
18:25<StudentT>Yes, sorry about that.
18:26<alexl>i used to run em a few years ago. they were pretty nice then, if you needed the performance, but i skipped a raid controller in leiu of dm-raid in my last builds. never looked back.
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18:27<sney->dm-raid? really?
18:28<StudentT>My interest in hardware raid is mostly related to data integrity. If the power goes out, I need to know that whatever was writing will finish.
18:28<sney->md is great, but dmraid is those bios-only motherboard chips with no parity...
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18:28<sney->yeah, battery backed cache is wonderful. Actually, a lot of Compaq smart array boards are fully supported by the kernel
18:28<sney->scsi only, but you know
18:28<alexl>sney-: ack, sorry about that, ment linux software raid
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18:29<sney->StudentT: also, invest in a good quality UPS
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18:30<alexl>sney-: its pretty nice to take the same array across 3 incarnations of a machine for sure.
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18:32<sney->I wonder if you can use a smart array on a system with a non-compaq bios
18:32<sney->I know their setup tool has been linux-based for a while so I bet it's possible
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18:34<StudentT>Isn't HP dumping their hardware division? I'm a little worried about future product support while they figure out their new business plan. Also, what brands would you suggest I start looking at for a UPS?
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18:35<sney->StudentT: I've been out of enterprise IT for a while and hadn't heard that about HP. bummer, but they do continue legacy support on everything for a million years, so I wouldn't worry terribly.
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18:36<sney->StudentT: and the only option for UPSes is APC.
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18:36<alexl>++, run APCs on all my stuff at home. never had an issue.
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18:43<StudentT>I've heard APC is the way to go a few times before, so good to continue to hear corroboration. If 3ware works, I'll look at them a little more closely. Thanks for the help.
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18:49<Mannequin>I'm making my head around the difference of "debian" vs "debian live"
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18:50<Mannequin>is "debian live" the right starting point if I'm trying to create a persistent install on an USB drive?
18:50<Mannequin>(a pendrive)
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18:51<sney->it's where I'd start. well, depending on the capacity/speed of the flash device anyway
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18:52<Mannequin>sney: I was planning using a 4GB USB flash memory. Not sure about the speed.
18:53<Mannequin>I'll look into buying a reliable brand (Sandisk, Kingston, or Verbatim)
18:54<sney->if it was 8GB or larger I'd probably just do a regular install on it, but 4 can be a squeeze so you're better off with d-live
18:55<Mannequin>a regular install on an 8GB stick becomes "persistent", correct?
18:56<Mannequin>I think I've read about that method, but I wonder if it's "flash-friendly"
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18:56<Mannequin>in the sense that it may wear out the USB faster than other method of persistent installs
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18:58<sney->yeah I've heard of flash memory "wearing out" but I've never actually witnessed it
18:58<Mannequin>sney. OK, good to know.
18:59<Mannequin>so, if I understand you correctly, a regular install on an USB stick will already be persistent, correct?
18:59<Mannequin>(i.e. programs installed after booting will remain there)
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19:01<sney->Mannequin: yes, it's just like a hard drive really
19:01<babilen>Mannequin: The Debian Live Manual actually had a good chapter on persistence, but it looks as if the manual is offline.
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19:02<Mannequin>babilen: yes, the Live manual is currently down
19:02<babilen>Mannequin: You might want to nag #debian-live
19:03<babilen>SynrG: intentionally down? ^^^^
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19:05<adminime>hello all
19:06<adminime>i have a qustion about file system partitioning
19:06<sney->ask away
19:07<adminime>i have always split away /var on a separate slice
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19:07<adminime>left over habit from BSD days
19:08*themill often does that too
19:08<adminime>i have been told that will lead to problems on debian when you have to upgrade
19:08<adminime>?
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19:15<babilen>adminime: How so?
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19:16<dimedo>I'm trying to create an amd64 HVM guest on a Debian Lenny amd64 hypervisor (Xen 3.2). The guest freezes in the boot process. What's causing this? More detailed: http://serverfault.com/questions/331386/64-bit-hvm-guest-freezes-while-booting-on-debian-lenny-64-bit-xen-hypervisor
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19:16<sparky4>I have a major hard drive issue (I cannot mount this partition!!)
19:17<sparky4>pm me for dmesg | tail
19:17<adminime> the other admins theory is that if you split it up from / and if /var is not available upon reboot it will break the upgrade.
19:17<retrospectacus>you could get problems having separate /var/ if something tries hard linking across it
19:17<retrospectacus>sparky4: no, pastebin it: paste.debian.net
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19:18<sparky4>http://paste.debian.net
19:18<retrospectacus>that's the one
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19:19<adminime>thanks retro.
19:19<retrospectacus>dimedo: you may have good luck asking in a Xen channel
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19:20*adminime googling what hardlinks to /var
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19:20<sparky4>http://paste.debian.net/145874/
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19:21<sparky4>retrospectacus: http://paste.debian.net/145874/
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19:21<retrospectacus>yes I see it, thanks... I'm not your designated helper btw...
19:22<retrospectacus>but I would recommend backing up that drive if at all possible
19:22<sparky4>how.....
19:22<sparky4>it cannot mount....
19:22<dimedo>retrospectacus: i did numerous times, no help yet
19:22<retrospectacus>sparky: try another PC or one of those adapter thingys,
19:23<sparky4>retrospectacus: I am
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19:26<scraze>sparky4: you can back up partitions without mounting them; if you can't access the partitions, you may have to back up the whole drive instead
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19:27<sparky4>scraze: I can acssess it's boot partition just fine (mount and all)
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19:29<scraze>sparky4: I see, it's sdd2 .. then it may be best to back up sdd2 first
19:29<sparky4>scraze: how?
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19:32<scraze>sparky4: normally one would use dd, but perhaps in this case ddrescue would be better; with dd(rescue) you can copy a partition to a file or to another partition
19:33<scraze>sparky4: package is called gddrescue , documentation: http://www.gnu.org/s/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html
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19:34<sparky4>scraze: thank you
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20:16<benjr>my google skills must be lacking, does anyone know where i can find statistics on computers with support for pdf files?
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20:16<benjr>im having issues with a government department which is demanding files only in word format
20:16<kooll>benjr: hmm. I have no idea how one would make such a statistic.
20:17<sney->I can't imagine a situation in which statistics about something will change how a government agency operates
20:17<sney->not directly, anyway. it'd have to go through a law-making body.
20:17<kooll>but it's probably not the correct answer to that kind of request anyway. they want those documents that way ... you may try to show laws to them.
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20:17<kooll>that's about the only thing that would make them change their mind
20:18<benjr>im dealing with an ignorant person who believes "these p-d-f thingees" are obsecure, i thought some statistics might prove otherwise
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20:21<benjr>perhaps i should change my strategy and try to get in touch with their IT dept and see if they can my contact
20:22<benjr>can help my*
20:22<sney->heh, well, good luck
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20:30<kooll>benjr: tell them that if that format is good enough for all documents on http://ict.govt.nz it should be good enough for them ? (assuming I guessed correctly the gov :) )
20:30<benjr>you did
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20:31<kooll>I was looking for a specific document on it about open/non-proprietary formats that should be preferred, but the wording of it doesn't apply to this case.
20:32<kooll>but it's one of the format recommended by ict for public access of data. And word .doc is definitely not in the list
20:32<kooll>I'm pretty sure that kind of fact should be more effective than statistics
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20:33<kooll>(it might be hidden somewhere in e-GIF documents. if you are patient ;) )
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20:33<benjr>the want me to redo my work on their open-access machines which have word installed, so they are giving me options, but i dont think i should have to do that
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20:43<sparky4>scraze: should i copy the partition?
20:44<sparky4>or the whole HDD?
20:44<sparky4>the boot partition is OK
20:45<scraze>sparky4: I'd start with the partition, and if you have the time and space it's probably a good idea to get the rest backed up as well
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20:46<sparky4> / partition....
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20:49<scraze>sparky4: meanwhile if it's an ATA drive you could check with smartctl how the disk is doing
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20:51<sparky4>usb is not suppoted ><
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20:52<sparky4>it's an IDE drive connected to this system via usb
20:52<sparky4>scraze: # ddrescue -i0 -s50M /dev/sdd2 ~/compy4.img ~/compy4.log is this correct?
20:53<scraze>ouch.. that's indeed a restriction
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20:53<sparky4>scraze: use the original system?
20:54<haylo>hey sparky :)
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20:54<scraze>sparky4: looks good to me, as long as you have enough space in your home dir
20:55<sparky4>scraze: only 42 GB is used on that partition but the drive is massive
20:55<scraze>smartctl could be helpful, but I think ddrescue works fine over USB
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20:56<sparky4>scraze: # ddrescue /dev/sdd2 ~/compy4.img ~/compy4.log for entire back up of the parition?
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20:58<scraze>sparky4: ddrescue copies the partition completely, yes
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21:03<sparky4>scraze: it's working~ i think
21:03<sparky4>scraze: how do i know m data is copied sucssesssfully?
21:05<scraze>sparky4: ddrescue keeps track of all sectors that fail and writes to the logfile, then when it is done with the first run where it just reads every sector once, it goes over every failed sector and tries to read it as well as it can - so basically, just watch the output
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21:05<sparky4>ok
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21:05<sparky4>scraze: how do i acssess the files in the HDD image file?
21:06<scisteffan>Hi, I've got an external monitor plugged in. When I run "Xorg -configure" the error "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices" appears. What does this mean?
21:07<scraze>sparky4: backing up is just the first step, it's to be sure that any subsequent action is reversible (as long as you keep one copy ontouched) - ddrescue tries to handle drive errors but does not interact with the filesystem on the partition, so the filesystem in the backup is probably just as broken
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21:09<sparky4>scraze: ohh dear how do i fix broken fs?
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21:10<scraze>sparky4: if you want to try to mount the backup I suggest doing it readonly by removing write permissions from the file / mounting readonly; mount -o loop,ro partition.img /path/to/mount/on/
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21:11<sparky4>scraze: ok!
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21:12<scraze>sparky4: as far as I can tell, you'll at least need to restore the superblock of the Ext4 fs; there are some guides out there but I'm not sure which one is best
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21:13<sparky4>scraze: ^^; Is that a HDD sector?
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21:13<sparky4>I come from MS-DOS / WINDOWS 9X world
21:13<sparky4>specifically Windows Me
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21:14<exxteban>hola
21:14<sparky4>hola
21:14<exxteban>de donde eres sparky?
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21:15<sparky4>exxteban: Louisiana
21:15<sparky4>wwww
21:15<Hydroxide>!es-social
21:15<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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21:16<scraze>sparky4: I believe the superblock normally relates to physical sectors, yes
21:16<sparky4>scraze: ohh dear....
21:16<exxteban>Alguien que pueda ayudarme con el ajuste de brillo para debian squeeze?
21:16<scraze>sparky4: that is, they are normal sectors, at the beginning or end of a partition - just designated to hold special information
21:16<Hydroxide>!es
21:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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21:17<sney->haha it's amazing how weird it is for a spanish speaker to actually want help with debian
21:17<sney->usually they're just 12-year-old ubuntu users /offtopic
21:17<haylo>well especially since the channel has been trolled in spanish for 30 hours now
21:18<sney->there
21:18<sney->there's some netbook seller in spain that preloads ubuntu. I think periodically they go on sale and that explains the flood we get.
21:19<sparky4>ubuntu is just heavy
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21:19<sparky4>Not ideal for Windows Me user....
21:19<Hydroxide>we *do* have a lot of spanish speakers in the debian community
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21:19<sney->anyway I shouldn't have said anything, very offtopic. and now I'm leaving
21:20<Hydroxide>but, yes, most of the spanish speakers who legitimately want help don't go to the english-language #debian first
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21:21<sparky4>scisteffan: about your screens......
21:21<sparky4>scisteffan: i am just as confused as you are
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21:26<sparky4>scraze: no errors and at 30000 MB
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21:40<scisteffan>Hi, more info for debugging my screen problem: http://paste.debian.net/145894/
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21:41<scisteffan>sparky4: ^ that is the log file (Xorg.0.log) from the Xorg -configure command
21:43<sparky4>scisteffan: This computer is damaged.......
21:43<scisteffan>it seems to show 3 screens - I've got a laptop screen with an external monitor plugged in
21:43<scisteffan>:(
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21:43<sparky4>scisteffan: mine is damaged
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21:50<scisteffan>sparky4 - why is your computer damaged?
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21:51<sparky4>scisteffan: milk+ lappy = bad
21:51<scraze>scisteffan: the log says 'Using config file: "/root/xorg.conf.new"' - does that file perhaps define three screens?
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21:55<scisteffan>spark4 - yes it does.. I'll delete the third screen definition and try again
21:55<scisteffan>brb
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22:00<sparky4>scraze: you know in MS-DOS there is the scandisk /surface program
22:01<sparky4>scraze: GNU/Linux's equivalent is?
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22:04<scraze>sparky4: I'm not sure what a surface scan is, but it seems to check the filesystem and look for bad sectors at the same time. You can use badblocks to scan for bad blocks/sectors, and fsck.ext4 to check the filesystem
22:05<scisteffan>scraze - unfortunately, editing that file does not affect the "Xorg -configure" command. After running "Xorg -configure" it goes back to its original content, defining three screens
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22:06<scisteffan>oh, I guess I can copy and paste the contents instead
22:07<metaspike>if i install a program with "aptitude -R install package" to install it without recommended dependencies, then later decide i want those dependencies, is there an easy way to go about this?
22:07<scraze>scisteffan: hm, tricky :/ one other thing I noticed is it seems to want to use fbdev instead of nouveau or nvidia
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22:12<scraze>metaspike: there is a specific command for it but I don't recall, but perhaps aptitude reinstall pkg would work as well
22:13<metaspike>thanks scraze i'll give it a shot
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22:27<scisteffan>well I've copied and pasted the code for two screens only, and changed both drivers to nouveau, to no avail
22:27<scisteffan>let's try nv
22:28<scisteffan>vesa*
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22:36<sparky4>scraze: this will take a long as time ....
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22:42<sparky4>119000 out of my predicted 30500
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22:43<sparky4>119000 out of my predicted 305000*
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23:19<CookieJar>anyone want to help me install drivers for my ati radeon hd 4670 in debian squeeze?
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23:20<haylo>hmm i have installed them in cb i can send you the info if you want
23:20<CookieJar>alright
23:21<CookieJar>i currently have a .run file downloaded from the amd site that supposedly contains the drivers
23:21<haylo>just sedn me private msg they dont want ati stuff here this is the debian channe;
23:21<CookieJar>ok
23:21<haylo>but is good keep that
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23:34<kolopik>Hi, I wish to start translating Debian documentation (website) or whatever is needed the most, but I can't find any straightforward info about where to start. Does anyone know where and how I could start. Is it OK if I start translating in a plain txt format? Can it be published as a translation on the debian.org site or does it need to be hosted elsewhere? etc.
23:38<sney>what language?
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23:40<kolopik>Serbian (should be easy to convert to Croatian/Bosnian)
23:40<sney>neat
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23:42<sney>anyway, there is most likely a mailing list on the topic
23:43<sney>http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-serbian/ here you go
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23:45<kolopik>Ah, Ok, I will ask there for instructions etc. Thanks.
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23:47<sney>np
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