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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-11-17

---Logopened Thu Nov 17 00:00:51 2011
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01:31<volkan>hii to all
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01:36<volkan>can someone recommand to me interface library for python in debian 6.0
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01:43<jeremy_>so I finally got my live usb persistent working! yay! now customizing is proving irritating.
01:44<jeremy_>problem is debian live gnome distro by default doesn't really have a 'root' user. it comes with 'user'...
01:44<jeremy_>the 'user' seems to have root privilege though.
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01:46<jeremy_>so I made a root password with an administrator account I created.
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01:46<jeremy_>but still can't figure out how to get rid of 'user' and make a real root su..
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01:47<jeremy_>i read somewhere that it may have to do with gdmsetup?
01:48<tamir>For Xubuntu
01:48<sney>!ubuntuirc tamir
01:48<dpkg>tamir: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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01:49<sney>jeremy_: it shouldn't, unless you just mean being able to log in as root to gnome
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01:53<jeremy_>sney: I'm not exactly sure. I've never setup a Debian Live this way before, and it just seems snarky that it automatically logs you in as this 'user'. I'd like for it to act the way a normal debian install would, i.e.- having a login screen after booting, and not su privileges by default.
01:54<jeremy_>not exactly sure how to go about it though.
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01:58<jeremy_>it seems like the original intention with the live distro was only for installation purposes. I don't think they meant for me to do persistent changes.
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01:59<simonlnu>it's a live cd system, it's not meant to be persistent
01:59<simonlnu>post-install sure
02:00<jeremy_>is there a better iso for this maybe?
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02:00<jeremy_>I used the latest debian gnome i386 iso
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02:05<jeremy_>maybe I'll just build my own then. from scratch. see ya'll in 2 months.
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02:11<_neil_>jeremy_: install debian on hdd good choice
02:11<obiwan>I am installing this week's Wheezy onto an Intel i5 PC, and it's telling me 'no installable kernel found'
02:12<obiwan>it has an intel motherboard too so it's boring as heck, as far as hardware is concerned
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02:12<obiwan>what gives
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02:12<JoeKickass>obiwan: use the stable installer and upgrade if you need to. Wheezy support is in #debian-next
02:13<obiwan>thanks. \
02:13<_neil_>obiwan: mount cdrom and chroot in /target
02:13<ky4k0b>can anyone help me to detect what network card I have installed in server
02:14<_neil_>in another console cp linux image kernel .deb in /target and dpkg -i
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02:14<_neil_>for fast
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02:14<ky4k0b>is there any something like device manager like in win?
02:15<obiwan>_neil_: do I do that from a console
02:15<JoeKickass>ky4k0b: for that run lspci -nn |grep -i net
02:15<JoeKickass>device manager no
02:16<_neil_>obiwan: yes, after install kernel failure
02:16<obiwan>ah so I say 'no don't continue'
02:16*obiwan is redoing it at the point
02:16<ky4k0b>JoeKickass, thanks
02:17<jm_>!which driver
02:17<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
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02:18<JoeKickass>ky4k0b: ^^
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02:21<iman>I installed flash player for my debian, unfortunately I can't see anything yet in youtube , would you please some one helo me
02:22<obiwan>_neil_: what's the linux kernel image .deb at?
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02:28<EmleyMoor>iman: 32 or 64 bit? How did you install Flash?
02:29<iman>EmleyMoor, 32, I installed it with synaptic
02:30<EmleyMoor>iman: Have you tried going to youtube in a completely new browser session?
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02:30<iman>EmleyMoor, yes
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02:31<iman>EagleRock, not just youtube, I couldn't see any video stream in every site
02:31<EmleyMoor>iman: Hmmm... what happens instead of video appearing?
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02:31<iman>EmleyMoor, I faced a black screen
02:33<jm_>iman: which browser is it?
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02:34<iman>jm_, iceweasel
02:35<iman>jm_, shall I copy a flash file in browser configuration ?
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02:39<jm_>iman: does "about:plugins" show it as enabled?
02:39<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to feed spamassassin with "misidentified spam" when using icedove? So far, it seems that's the one thing horde can do better...
02:40<iman>jm_, application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf
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02:41<iman>jm_, i think so it's enable
02:42<_neil_>obiwan: find /cdrom -iname "linux-image*"
02:43*EmleyMoor is looking for an addon to add a "bounce" option - so that spam could be bounced to an address that then pipes the mail to spamassassin... any other suggestions?
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02:44<jm_>iman: should be yes, so it may be an issue with flash - any errors on screen if you start iceweasel from a terminal?
02:44<_neil_>obiwan: i'm not sure but problem is in grub,too - lib*dev*map*
02:45<iman>jm_, no, I remember when I had like this problem, some one in this channel said me to copy flash file in one of the directory in iceweasel, but i don't remember where is it
02:45<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it seems that the University of Sheffield have an addon for that...
02:46<EmleyMoor>Er, no - it's actually a pointer to the real thing...
02:46<_neil_>obiwan: you must fix dependence of course, another way is in chroot /target edit /etc/apt/sources and install from network
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02:48<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can set up an email address that can only accept mail from real accounts in the same domain?
02:49<EmleyMoor>Damn, "Mail Redirect" is ancient...
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02:53<EmleyMoor>Any specific channel good for icedove/thunderbird?
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02:55<ompaul>EmleyMoor: ask the specifics here
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02:56<EmleyMoor>ompaul: I want to add a "redirect" or "bounce" button to icedove, so that I can bounce messages unaltered to an address that then feeds them through spamassassin
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02:58<ompaul>are you looking to make ham and spam folders?
02:59<jm_>iman: use find command to find it
02:59<EmleyMoor>ompaul: No - I have a spam folder already. I am just looking to feed spamassassin what it missed
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02:59<ompaul>assuming imap s/a will be on the same server and this can be fed back
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03:00<ompaul>consider using procmail and some scripting outside of the client
03:00<ompaul>that is the usual way aiui
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03:00<ompaul>drat 8am already would someone please stop the world I want another 15 minutes
03:00<Bushmills>sender addresses can be spoofed easily
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03:01<EmleyMoor>ompaul: Sorry, you appear to have misunderstood. This is not for sorting what spamassassin thinks is spam, it's for telling it "this is spam, not ham as you thought"
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03:03<jm_>are you saying thunderbird doesn't have pass selected mails to an external command option?
03:03<EmleyMoor>Not that I've found...
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03:30<Ezranda>there is a bill coming up for passage SOON in the U.S. Congress and U.S. Senate
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03:31<Ezranda>if you don't want the U.S. Gov telling you what you can say, and WHAT sites SHOW up restricting your internet view (we will no longer see what the rest of the world sees on the internet!)
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03:31<Ezranda>then go to google and Click their links
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03:31<Ezranda>fix it or pay the price
03:32<Ezranda>we will no longer have complete access to the network our tax dollars developed
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04:59<Slydder>am trying to get apache basic auth working based on server_alias. anyone have a link with further info?
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05:07<OpenTokix>Slydder: Server alias? do you mena vhost?
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05:08<gerson>whats this?
05:08<Slydder>in apache you have server_name and server_alias inside a vhost. I am needing to basic auth based on specific server_aliases that are visited.
05:08<gerson>im begginer in linux
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05:08<heikkila>gerson, support channel for the Debian distribution
05:08<gerson>ok gracias
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05:09<gerson>thanks heikkila
05:09<heikkila>gerson, no problems, there's a Spanish channel too
05:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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05:09<OpenTokix>Slydder: From a glance in the docs, I don't think that is possible. I think you need one vhost per auth-thing. Each server alias, is in the same directory and serve the same pages?
05:10<gerson>what can I do with this?
05:10<heikkila>gerson, with this channel? Ask Debian related questions.
05:10<gerson>ok Iĺl try in spanish
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05:13<gerson>thank heikkila, cause Im new in linux , and I am interenting in the open source
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05:14<gerson>just I wanna learn more about this, thabk heikkila im going to the spanish channel
05:15<gerson>see ya
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05:40<Flurry>Hello all!
05:41<Flurry>Can you recommend a good motherboard for dual processor compatible with Linux? With raid fake raid
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05:50<OpenTokix>Flurry: supermicro mobo + areca raid-card
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05:50<OpenTokix>Flurry: Works wonderful for me.
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06:06<alvaro_Alves>\msg NickServ authenticate genius87
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06:14<Flurry>OpenTokix, thank you very much!!! But what model of motherboard? It must be entered in a full tower case.
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06:15<OpenTokix>Flurry: Decide a mobo, then decide a case. I only use server rackmounted cases for my stuff. - Is this going to be a workstation or?
06:15<OpenTokix>Flurry: Why do you need dual socket?
06:17<Flurry>I need a full tower case no rack case. I need a workstation for video production and for compile scripts
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06:24<OpenTokix>Flurry: most of them are full ATX. So it should fitt in a big tower-case
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06:25<Flurry>OpenTokix, Supermicro X8DAL-I ATX and dual socket
06:26<OpenTokix>Flurry: looks perfect
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06:27<OpenTokix>Flurry: I really like the supermicro-stuff personally
06:27<ukine>AlvaroAlves, type /msg nickserv identify pass in the server console so that doesn't happen :]
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06:28<Flurry>OpenTokix: I already own a supermicro servers
06:28<Flurry>OpenTokix: I already own a supermicro server
06:28<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
06:29<OpenTokix>Flurry: me to, 100+ of them actually =)
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06:29<Flurry>have you a web farm?
06:29<OpenTokix>Flurry: yes
06:30<OpenTokix>Flurry: more then a billion hits/day =)
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06:30<OpenTokix>Flurry: but this is offtopic and not for this channel.
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06:31<Flurry>OpenTokix: Thanks for your advice! Can you recommend a powerful video card compatible with linux?
06:32<damiano>i have a problem reading media.... some discs (CDs more often) tend to make me wait for too long to open up. Eventually they do open, but it's kinda annoying. Moreover, that delay hangs up system for a while, so i can't do much.
06:32<damiano>some discs though startup real quick.
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06:32<damiano>any ideas?..
06:32<ukine>do those same discs always start up quick?
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06:33<damiano>and those that are slow are ALWAYS slow.
06:33<ukine>old drive or ribbon cable maybe
06:33<damiano>and no, it's not discs that are bad or my drive. It's probably something about what's ON them. It feels like that
06:33<damiano>not old drive.
06:33<ukine>so sata?
06:33<OpenTokix>Flurry: I have always prefered Nvidia, you might need to backport drivers for the latest nvidia-cards. - I can also recommend the OCZ Velodrive for really fast IO. (ie. HD-video editing)
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06:34<ukine>are you on squeeze damiano ?
06:34<damiano>just in case... on windows it's all fine. Here there's some glitch
06:34<damiano>yes, 6.0.3.
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06:36<ukine>windows may be overlooking some error checking that linux always does is the best idea i have
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06:37<damiano>ukine, i thought so too, but..... i don't think it's normal, my discs are alright.
06:37<ukine>i have an idea though hold a sec damiano
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06:40<ukine>well actually all it would tell you is if gnome is freezing up or if your drive driver is
06:40<ukine>i don't know where to go from there, still want to hear it?
06:41<damiano>but hang on.. i can tell you one more thing if that contributes anything to the story given..
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06:41<damiano>in windows if burning CDs it feels like no dma is on and it slows everything up a bit.. but DVDs are fine. I mean.. that's not normal actually, so perhaps there is something weird about my drive. But reading is anyway ok.
06:41<yids>I have a problem with jack and mixxx under debian squeeze, it seems to be not supported yet (jack ) i tried this but still does not work
06:42<yids>anyone an idea?
06:42<damiano>anyways.. tell me.
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06:42<ukine>well google all the bios options for your drive before this will be of verified use in telling whether it's the driver or gnome
06:43<damiano>ukine, and also.... one more thing... in gnome it opens up at least eventually. In KDE (Trinity, 3.5) it doesn't open at all. Though it takes him less to think.
06:43<ukine>eject media in question and in applications -> tools -> configuration editor go to / -> apps -> nautilus -> preferences and uncheck media_automount and media_automount_open . quit config editor and insert media, open nautilus, should register as unmounted (no eject button)
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06:44<damiano>ok.. let me see...
06:44<ukine>don't click it to mount it yet
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06:45<lamby_>what is an example of a binary blob pacakge in Debian?
06:46<ukine>then open gnome-terminal and type "dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/null bs=16k" without the double quotes
06:46<ukine>see if it slows down the same way
06:47<damiano>no medium found
06:47<damiano>should i put it back or what?
06:47<ukine>oh is the cd not in yet?
06:47<damiano>nope... let me do it
06:49<damiano>once again it's acting funny... despite those settings i've made it's still trying to identify it for too long.. and i typed in command while it's trying to access it, it's also waiting
06:50<damiano>it's done and it's doing something with the cd
06:50<damiano>what is this?
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06:50<ukine>it's just testing the drive
06:50<ukine>hit ctrl+c in there
06:50<ukine>the terminal
06:50<damiano>12193+0 records out
06:50<damiano>199770112 bytes (200 MB) copied, 146.332 s, 1.4 MB/s
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06:50<ukine>in nautilus did it mount it or is there no eject button?
06:51<damiano>both Mount and Eject are present
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06:51<ukine>so it's unmonuted right?
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06:52<damiano>appears to be so.
06:52<ukine>that is no eject symbol next to it in nautilus
06:52<damiano>oh yeah, no symbol.
06:52<damiano>but it's on the menu if i right click on it
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06:53<ukine>still in the terminal
06:53<damiano>nope, i'll start it up
06:54<damiano>ok, tell me.
06:54<ukine>press up arrow
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06:54<ukine>should put that command back
06:54<damiano>any corrections?
06:54<damiano>yeah, it's back.
06:54<ukine>run it again and check for the slowdown again
06:54<ukine>any slowdown after you hit enter?
06:55<damiano>you see... it's slow only when it's identified.. but not when it has passed that startup check..
06:55<damiano>well.. let me do it..
06:55<damiano>no, it just started reading it immediately.
06:55<ukine>so mouse and gui working fine?
06:55<damiano>i can do anything now
06:55<ukine>ok ctrl+c
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06:55<ukine>sounds like a driver issue
06:56<ukine>or if all the discs have something in common it could be that
06:56<damiano>all i know is that some discs are ok. And i'd never know which ones would be read and which not.
06:56<damiano>i mean.. read quickly.
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06:57<ukine>most likely the driver then
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06:57<damiano>but what could be possibly different about discs? How could the differ?
06:57<ukine>check that drive make/model against the driver being used
06:58<scisteffan>Hi, I have a dual monitor setup in Xorg. "xrandr" shows that "DP-1" is connected with a resolution. It is using the nouveau driver. Yet, the screen says "no input signal".
06:58<damiano>how do i do that?
06:58<ukine>it could be a problem reading certain kinds of cd header info with that drive/driver
06:58<damiano>yeah.. sounds like it.
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07:00<ukine>i'll be back in a few /msg me if you'd like to figure out the drive/driver combo damiano
07:00<damiano>sure! I have no other choice mate.
07:00<scisteffan>my screen is plugged in using a mini DVI to VGA adapter on a macbook pro
07:00<damiano>this is the last of the issues i have...
07:00<damiano>i've had quite plenty of those though...
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07:01<damiano>regarding video, audio, fonts.... and lotsa other stuff.
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07:06<lamby_>afternoon ;-)
07:07<project2501a>good morning
07:07<lamby_>project2501a: things like that will drive me insane ;-)
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07:08<project2501a>yeah. but it's good in a way, you know? shows we are an international crowd. not two slashdot geeks down in their mom's basement.
07:08<project2501a>? in the same timezone.
07:08<lamby_>indeed :)
07:09<damiano>lamby_, things like what?
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07:09<lamby_>damiano: ah it's a short story.
07:10<damiano>fire up)
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07:11<project2501a>damn, i forgot the insulin at home
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07:13<lamby_>project2501a: sounds like you should go back and get it??
07:13<lamby_>what's the quickest way of viewing stuff in non-free using apt ?
07:13<lamby_>just wanted to see which non-free kernels were in there. not getting on too well with the UI at
07:13<damiano>i'd use Synaptic instead of that monstrousity
07:14<lamby_>damiano: awww, apt is cute
07:14<damiano>for 70s perhaps ;)
07:15<lamby_>damiano: I'd choose function over beauty every time. Though maybe not in everything lol
07:15<damiano>lamby_, understood, but personally i found that apt intuitevily incomprehensible :)
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07:16<project2501a>^-- what damiano said
07:16<themill>lamby_: "non-free kernels"?
07:17<lamby_>themill: I was reading It says that since Squeeze you can get kernels with binary blobs INCLUDED. they're available in the non-free section
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07:18<themill>I'm not seeing anything there about non-free kernels; non-free firmware blobs are what is being discussed.
07:18<lamby_>themill: Debian have thus announced that . from the release of Squeeze . they will be providing whole kernels that include non-free blobs in the non-free repository
07:19<lamby_>do they just mean all the firmware-x pacakges ?
07:19<themill>yes. blob != kernel.
07:19<lamby_>because I didn't think binary blobs == firmware.
07:20<lamby_>i.e. where are all the non-free binary blobs. the realtek-firmware etc packages are just firmware not binary device drivers
07:21<lamby_>I read the article to mean that Debian had compiled their own custom kernels taht included non-free blobs in them and they were availabel in non-free section. So I was going to go and take a look out of morbid curiosity.
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07:25<ukine>damiano, pop the cd in again and click it then wait till it's responsive again
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07:25<project2501a>how on earth can i clear the color highlight from VIM after i selected something?
07:25<project2501a>without quitting, of course
07:26<damiano>sorry, was away smoking
07:26<damiano>now i'm here
07:26<lamby_>project2501a: :noh
07:26<ukine>likewise :]
07:27<damiano>damn... it was there, but i just re-inserted it...
07:27<damiano>now i have to wait :)
07:27<ukine>stops for about a minute?
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07:27<project2501a>lamby_: thanks :D
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07:27<batouzo>project2501a: woot name
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07:28<damiano>ukine, yes, sorta...
07:28<damiano>now i'm able to write :)
07:28<damiano>for a moment i couldn't.
07:29<ukine>ok open gnome-terminal again
07:29<damiano>there i am.
07:29<ukine>"df" , enter
07:29<damiano>ok, what to tell?
07:29<ukine>no delay?
07:29<ukine>/dev/sr0 in there?
07:30<metaspike>whats a good script/method to build debian packages from source?
07:31<lamby_>metaspike: apt-source
07:31<lamby_>metaspike: apt-get source
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07:33<metaspike>that's great but what if the source isn't in the repository?
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07:34<themill>metaspike: are you building a one-off hacky package or a package you want to maintain for a while and possibly even upload to debian?
07:34<ukine> i think you'll want to look at nautilus, so nautilus-dbg
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07:35<project2501a>hmmm, i was thinking: there should be a file named "INSTALL_THESE_DEBIAN_PACKAGES" along with those files named "INSTALL" "TODO" "README"
07:36<project2501a>in the upstream source tarball, i mean
07:36<ukine>the only similar bug i could google was 4 years old and had to do with vfat volumes
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07:36<damiano>i see...
07:36<damiano>i wonder why is always with me... some old time bugs..
07:37<ukine>damiano, i've been dealing with old time bugs with every prior version of any distro i've tried
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07:38<ukine>you're not alone so don't get too down :]
07:38<damiano>i see..
07:38<damiano>so.. do i really have to go through this.. debugging business?..
07:39<ukine>yeah unfortunately you have to see what exactly is freezing up
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07:40<ukine>damiano, have any other optical drives around you could try?
07:40<damiano>the prob is, i wanna USE it already, but i've been only debugging it for about 2 weeks :)
07:41<damiano>yeah, that's exactly what i was about to suggest too
07:41<damiano>i do
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07:41<damiano>but... even if they work out... what would it change? I mean... i don't really think i can leave them here, 'cause they're older actually. But they might work just fine!
07:42<damiano>and what if.... the same story?..
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07:42<metaspike>themill, the things im compiling would fit well in the debian repostiories with a few minor adjustments, but im doing it wrong obviosuly, as program pkg A cannot see library pkg B .i was wondering if there's anything reliable, script or tutorial that i can turn to assist me with reliable .deb creation. so i can study their contents, so i can reliably install, test, use and possibly maintain these packages...
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07:42<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see ,
07:43<ukine>damiano, if another drive works fine then the driver has a problem with the drive that's 'not working'
07:43<damiano>hm... ok.
07:43<damiano>i'll do it then... *sigh*
07:44<damiano>there's one little BUT...
07:44<themill>metaspike: you might also like to look at "man dpkg-deb" to see how to poke around inside an existing deb to see what you've actually got inside it; also "apt-get source $similar-package" to see how others have attacked similar problems
07:44<damiano>other drives are IDE
07:44<ukine>if they both do the same thing it could be nautilus or the drive doing something wonky on media initialization
07:45<ukine>*it could also be the drive doing something wonky on media initialization, or if both drives same you'll have to backtrace nautilus
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07:46<damiano>well i think it's more like my drive in unity with debian's driver. cause otherwise many people would've complained about it. But i once again seem to be the only guy with this prob.
07:46<damiano>ok man.
07:46<damiano> i'll have to do it. But first i'm gonna eat something... be back in a little.
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07:47<ukine>are you on ubuntu?
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07:57<dukejones>Hi everyone!
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08:26<Zathras>Hi. When I run top (sorted on memory usage) I see a list of processes but it does not even come close when summed up to the amount of memory used (about 90% or so). When I stopped the 2 most consuming processes/apps (tomcat + postgresql) the remaining sums up to about 3%. Still about 80% of RAM is used. What can cause this/how to investigate?
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08:27<Zathras>I am running Squeeze amd64 in a VM
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08:27<jm_>!free ram
08:27<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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08:31<damiano>ukine, no, why? I'm on Debian
08:31<damiano>back by the way
08:31<damiano>i wouldn't have come here if i was on Ubuntu :)
08:31<damiano>in fact, Ubuntu doesn't have such probs..
08:31<heikkila>Some people do though
08:32<damiano>though that still doesn't make me like it..
08:32<heikkila>Perhaps due to that Xchat in Ubuntu has #debian as a default channel?
08:32<damiano>i'd rather solve Debian's issues and enjoy good speed and interface
08:33<damiano>i shouldn't be the default though..
08:33<Zathras>jm_, ty. It is just that I have a monitor app running which warns me (among other things) on excessive memory usage. So this will be unreliable by definition?
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08:33<jm_>Zathras: depends how it's written I suppose
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08:33<themill>heikkila: fsvo "default", but not really.
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08:37<Zathras>it seems to use /proc/meminfo
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08:39<dukejones>I hate those stupid people you meet on 24/7 Chat things for like customer service on websites...
08:39<dukejones>They just irk me...
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08:40<kop>dukejones: #debian-offtopic
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08:42<damiano>ok, i'm back
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08:42<damiano>where is Ukine?
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08:45<lamby_>Debian maintainers guide looks good. Is Debian System also worth a read ?
08:45<project2501a>the intro guide needs work :/
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08:45<project2501a>i mean, my first language is Greek, but the guide shows it has not been edited by a native English speaker
08:46<project2501a>no disrespect to the great work people have applied on it
08:46<project2501a>put into it, even
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08:49<gk>hi... can anybody tell me, how would i know that my kernel is 32-bit or 64-bit.....i'm using squeeze
08:50<damiano>where's Ukine?
08:50<lamby_>gk: uname -m
08:50<project2501a>gk: uname -m
08:50<project2501a>he beat me to it
08:50<lamby_>I'm quick on the draw
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08:51<gk>it's showing i686... does it mean 32-bit?
08:52<ukine>gk, yup
08:52<lamby_>gk: amd64 means its 64
08:52<gk>oh..!! thanks everybody :)
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08:59<damiano>thank goodness
08:59<damiano>i've conducted the experiment
08:59<damiano>my old IDE drive works just fine
08:59<damiano>conclusion: poor compatibility with newer SATA drives?
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09:04<metaspike>damiano, your satadrive isn't working eh? do you have a brand name and model number.
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09:05<damiano>it's not that...
09:06<damiano>metaspike, i have probs with my SATA DVD/CD drive you see...
09:06<damiano>it's not that it doesn't work at all..
09:06<damiano>it has very funny issue of veeery slowly identifying some disks. Not all, just SOME. I know, it sounds stupid, but that's how it is...
09:07<damiano>so it takes like one minute for it to open up a CD finally... then it's ok
09:07<damiano>meanwhile i can't do anything, system hangs up a bit..
09:07<ukine>possible yeah it might just be too new or a slightly off-brand
09:07<damiano>i've upgraded kernel to .38 by the way.. just to see what happens..
09:07<damiano>maybe it'd help.
09:07<damiano>but if not... then there's just no way for me to use this drive.
09:07<damiano>normally that is.
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09:10<metaspike>it's hard to say without some specs, it could be that there's some firmware or driver that's required for it to work effecently which isn't avaliable in which case the system reverts to a generic one which isn't loading it as good as it could.
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09:12<lamby_>themill: heh. I've just seen vrms. better than aptitude search ~i~snon-free -F"%p# %s# %t#"
09:12<themill>actually, vrms does nothing better than an aptitude search. It's really not worth it.
09:13<lamby_>themill: fair point
09:13<lamby_>themill: is it possible to do a similar search using just apt ?
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09:14<themill>you can construct a fun pipeline with apt and dpkg if you want... also not worth it
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09:42<lolcat> <- this guy is a sexual predator
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09:43<lolcat>Stuart Prescott is a sexual predator
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09:43<project2501a>that's nice. has he contributed a patch to the Debian Project?
09:43<lolcat>project2501a: No idea
09:44<project2501a>so, he has nothing to do with this channel. go back to 4chan you old meme
09:44<dioz>^ lol
09:44<lolcat>themill: Have you contributed a patch to the debian project?
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09:44<dioz>i love lamers who believe that irc channels are on topic 24/7
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09:45<dioz>is this freenode or something?
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10:01<abrotman>lots of people here!
10:01<lamby_>yeah what's going on?
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10:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:49<jeremy_>anyone know how to properly view the debian-live manual? I can read it in a text editor, but it will give me a headache that way. Does it require some kind of installation?.. live-manual-3.0~a8
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11:00<houms>is the nvidia wiki still relavant running wheezy kernel and nvidia nv34m geforce FX 5200?
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11:03<chealer>houms: which nvidia wiki?
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11:05<houms>sorry chealer thanks ...
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11:07<chealer>houms: I don't see why that page wouldn't be relevant in that case.
11:07<houms>on 2.6.38 I was using nvidia-173xx-legacy
11:07<houms>it seems to imply that 173xx legacy is dropped
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11:08<jhutchins_lt>Main wiki documents should be focused on the stable release. Testing will change too much between now and release for it to be practical to post anything but interim documents.
11:08<tyche_>I have an HP Pavilion HPE computer with an NVidia GeForce GT 520 graphics card hooked to a Samsung 500Series (S27A550H) monitor. I am running Wheezy. The NVidia card requires a driver above 270.x.x. I understand that Debian has the 290.x.x driver and associated files. How can I get it?
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11:08<houms>sorry my connection dropped
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11:09<chealer>houms: I wouldn't say 173xx is "dropped", but the page does say it's not in testing
11:09<sney>tyche_: it's in experimental.
11:09<houms>so i should modify my sources?
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11:11<tyche_>Is there anything above 270.x.x that's not in testing?
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11:12<houms>am i supposed to add expermental and install nvidia per wiki and then disable experimental ?
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11:12<alexl>tyche_: i just updated my instance on testing, nv 273.36.mumble
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11:13<tyche_>OK, how can I get it? I'm trying desperately to get my screen out of 800 X 600. :-D
11:14<chealer>dpkg: info nvidia-glx
11:14<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA metapackage), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 280.13.really.275.36-1 (sid), Packaged size: 320 kB, Installed size: 761 kB
11:14<houms>chealer I am not sure I understand. If the package is no longer in testing, how do I go about installing it
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11:15<chealer>houms: why would you use experimental?
11:15<houms>chealer cause the driver for my card (go5200) is not in testing appearently
11:15<houms>any more that is
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11:15<houms>it was but seems like it has been dropped
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11:15<houms>chealer are you suggesting I use sid instead?
11:16<chealer>tyche_: yes ^^
11:16<chealer>houms: well, it's neither in testing nor in experimental
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11:17<chealer>houms: no, the driver is in sid but it's unusable
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11:17<chealer>houms: one way to use that driver would be to use squeeze
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11:19<chealer>tyche_: did you try to just use testing's current driver?
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11:20<houms>testings current driver basically tells me that it does not support that card so 280.13.really.... skips over the card, and xorg complains no screens found
11:21<houms>which makes sense
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11:23<tyche_>chealer: OK, I'll download and burn Sid and see what I can do. If that doesn't work, how broken is experimental?
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11:23<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
11:24<OdyX>experimental is not a distribution 'per se', "installing experimental" doesn't mean anything.
11:24<tyche_>Then I'll have to hope that Sid does the job. Thanks
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11:25<houms>so i should add squeeze to sources.list?
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11:35<jhutchins_lt>!why not sid
11:35<dpkg>sid is <unstable> (you should know that). It's not recommended unless you're a developer or have extensive Debian experience. Please consider stable, or tell us why <sns syndrome> is not why you're using unstable.
11:36<sney>tyche_: sid and testing currently have the _same_ nvidia driver
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11:37<sney>tyche_: what you need to do, in short, is to set your default release to wheezy, then add sid and experimental sources to your sources.list and then install the nvidia driver from experimental.
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11:41<EmleyMoor>Are icedove profiles reasonably transferable between machines?
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11:46*EmleyMoor will try - he wants the same setup on his laptop as a starting point
11:47<OpenTokix>EmleyMoor: yes
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11:48<EmleyMoor>OpenTokix: Apart from the SMTP settings and the news (not wanted on the laptop), it's going to be the same
11:49<OpenTokix>EmleyMoor: I just copy the entire folder, and it has worked numerous times.
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11:50<EmleyMoor>OpenTokix: Good to hear. Horde has its place but icedove has some nice features
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11:50<OpenTokix>EmleyMoor: ok, have fun =)
11:51<EmleyMoor>Shame I'm 16 miles away from my desktop machine - it makes the transfer slower
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12:13<EmleyMoor>The connection flaps here too
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12:20<Scratchy>Hey :) Anyone have made a Munin 2.0 Package ? Or Repository
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12:24<gnugr>Scratchy: better ask in #munin on
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12:25*jhutchins_lt prefers squirrelmail for web mail only.
12:25<Scratchy>Yeah ? Thanks! I tried on #munin on this network but three days and it seems that everybody's AFK.
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12:26<houms>I cannot get nvidia 173 series built on testing. I even changed my sources to squeeze but trying to install fails , tried dkms and it fails saying 173 only supports 2.6.x and later
12:26<houms>i assume it does not consider 3.0 later???
12:27<EmleyMoor>Wh do you want 173?
12:27<gnugr>Scratchy: i don't know about munin but check this out :
12:28<jhutchins_lt>houms: That may be one of the problems with the 3.x kernels, some systems don't recognze their versionnumbers.
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12:29<EmleyMoor>How are you trying to build it?
12:29<Scratchy>Yeah that's the demo of the lastest version. We can hardly compile it on a machine.. But I've 22 Debian Servers... =D Want to easily install it and remove it when a new update will be released. Thanks gnugr. I'll try to find them on freenode, even if there website says that they're here.
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12:30<jmcde>anyone had a prob with cve-2011-4313 ?
12:30<alexl>houms: you mean 273?
12:31<EmleyMoor>280.13.really.275.36-1 is in testing
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12:31<jmcde>does BIND run as root on Debian?
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12:33<cthuluh>jmcde: no
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12:34<Scratchy>Why are there two different channel Debian ? One on oftc and one on freenode ?
12:34<houms>alexi no i mean 173
12:34<Scratchy>Is the freenode one the official ?
12:34<houms>as 273 does not support my legacy card
12:34<retrospectacus>Scratchy: this is the official one
12:35<houms>i have go 5200 and the debian nvidia wiki no longer seems to apply
12:35<Scratchy>Incredible. They're tooo much ppl on #debian freenode
12:35<houms>everything was happy with 2.6.38 but upgraded kernel to 3.0
12:35<ompaul>Scratchy: well this like that one is a tech support channel, so if you have a question, fire away.
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12:36<EmleyMoor>Freenode used to be the official one
12:36<ompaul>that's a long time ago
12:36<anbe>houms, which version of 173xx are you using?
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12:37<Scratchy>Calm down ompaul. =/ That's not a nice welcome to a debian user. That's maybe why even Debian users switch to Ubuntu? ^^
12:37<retrospectacus>Scratchy: what???
12:37<ompaul>that's prepared methinks
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12:38<houms>anbe i think i need legacy
12:38<anbe>,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms
12:39<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 173.14.27-2; sid/non-free: 173.14.31-1
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12:43<houms>but it says it is already installed
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12:46<grummund>Hi, What options are there for downloading YouTube videos that don't require installing sid?
12:47<retrospectacus>grummund: use <tum> to grab one from sid without installing sid
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12:49<retrospectacus>grummund: both youtube-dl and clive have the latest versions in wheezy
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12:50<anbe>houms, 173.14.27 does not support recent kernels, but 173.14.31 does, but there is currently no backport available - the legacy drivers will be taken care of once a backport of the current driver is available
12:50<houms>anbe the 173xx does not seem to support kernel 3
12:50<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution
12:50<houms>anbe what to do then?
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12:51<anbe>stick to 2.6.32 for now?
12:51<gnugr>Scratchy: please check this too:
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12:51<retrospectacus>grummund: that's for if you're running wheezy... adjust it to be uhh <sum> if you have squeeze
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12:52<grummund>retrospectacus: i don't have wheezy..., only lenny & squeeze ;)
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12:52<grummund>would i use tum to install a wheezy package to lenny in the same way?
12:53<retrospectacus>grummund: so, echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security stable lines and change one set to wheezy then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t wheezy install foo to install foo from wheezy rather than stable as usual.
12:53<retrospectacus>yes but you should be upgrading to squeeze, not still being on lenny
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12:55<dpkg>[single-user mode] Enter 'telinit 1' as root to switch from multi-user to single-user mode. To enter this mode at boot, GRUB: choose the "single-user mode" (GRUB Legacy) or "recovery mode" (GRUB 2) boot option; LILO: press the left shift key when LILO appears, then add '1' to the boot prompt (e.g. 'LILO: linux 1').
12:55<retrospectacus>grummund: that's not it
12:56<retrospectacus>grummund: I made that up - "stable unstable mix"
12:56<grummund>yes okay ;)
12:56<retrospectacus>grummund: (tum is testing unstable mix)
12:56<joachim2>Hi. I need some help because my Debian box does not boot anymore (did some GPU kernel module update before). The first error message is "mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found." and then the root FS is not found. (The root partition is a LVM logical volume on a raid1 partition.) From the initramfs shell: /dev/sd* and /dev/md* are empty, /dev/mapper contains only "control", /lib/modules contains quite a few modules. I've tried
12:56<joachim2> to run update-initramfs from knoppix, didn't help. Any hints?
12:57*EmleyMoor is trying to find a way to add a "bounce" - i.e. forward as though from original sender to new recipient - button to icedove. Any ideas on how?
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12:58<madduck>joachim2: add rootdelay=15 to kernel boot line for a start
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13:00<joachim2>madduck: still the same problem
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13:04<grummund>retrospectacus: ok, in the case of "stable testing mix" (wheezy package on squeeze system), is it *only* the non-security stable lines in sources.list that need to be duplicated?
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13:05<grummund>or should the security lines in sources.list be duplicated also?
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13:05<anbe>EmleyMoor, install "mail redirect" extension
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13:06<gnugr>houms: get the driver from here:
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13:09<retrospectacus>grummund: you could probably put wheezy-security there too but you don't need to
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13:10<grummund>what if the package needs patching and wheezy-security is not there?
13:11<retrospectacus>then it'll be unpatched until it makes it into the regular repos
13:11<retrospectacus>but I don't think your youtube downloader will be an issue in that regard
13:11<grummund>ok, i'm curious that's all
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13:14<grummund>so to keep up to date, does "aptitude safe-upgrade" now need "-t wheezy" switch?
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13:15<free>ребят здраствуйте
13:15<free>помощь нужна
13:15<retrospectacus>that would upgrade you to wheezy, I suppose
13:15<retrospectacus>!ru free
13:15<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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13:15<houms>thanks gnugr. but at this point my install seems so borked i dont know what to do
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13:16<gnugr>houms: do you have any squeeze repos with?
13:17<gnugr>houms: do you know about pinning?
13:18<babilen>grummund: Do yourself a favour and upgrade your system to squeeze first. (follow the release notes) Do *not* mix lenny, squeeze, wheezy and sid! If you want to use a package that is only in wheezy or sid, but not already in backports (/msg dpkg bdo) you can backport it yourself by following (/msg dpkg ssb).
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13:18<babilen>,checkbackport clive
13:18<judd>Backporting package clive in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
13:18<free>как на русскоязычный ?
13:18<babilen>,checkbackport youtube-dl
13:18<judd>Backporting package youtube-dl in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
13:18<babilen>grummund: As you see ^^^^ those two packages should be easy to backport.
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13:19<babilen>grummund: clive is already in squeeze though so you don't necessarily have to backport it.
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13:22<houms>gnugr i tried adding squeeze repos and that is when it seems to have gotten worse. at this point i am jsut going to upgrade to sid and see if i can get things working in sid
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13:23<free>звука нету alc889 драйвер стоит а звука нет
13:24<project2501a>speak english, please
13:24<anbe>houms, keep Xorg from squeeze - the legacy drivers haven't been updated for Xserver 1.11, yet
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13:27<houms>oh crap. is it too late? it is in the middle of upgrading to sid
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13:28<project2501a><3 Debian
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13:28<retrospectacus>is there a way to find (using find or locate) symbolc links *to* a given location?
13:29<project2501a>reverse lookup, basically?
13:29<project2501a>haven't' come up to such situation, sorry
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13:29<retrospectacus>ok :)
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13:30<project2501a>ls needs statistical switches
13:31<project2501a>*between that date and that date*
13:31<project2501a>around that date
13:31<project2501a>that percentile
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13:31<retrospectacus>you can use find for that sort of thing project2501a
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13:32<project2501a>that's an idea
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13:32<project2501a>but with pb of info around, it might turn out that find is the new ls . hehe
13:32<retrospectacus>ls can sort its output by date ofc, with -t
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13:33<retrospectacus>show newest files: ls -lt|head
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13:34<project2501a>retrospectacus: yeah, but when you got 400k files into directory, and you just remember the approximate dates, it would be nice to say "list the files by size on the 80th percentile"
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13:34<project2501a>guess that is why metadata these days is not just the superblock and why the superblock on newer filesystems is not that simple, anymore. anyway. just thinking out loud.
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13:35<retrospectacus>ls has -S to sort by size... I'm not sure what you mean by the 80th percentile
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13:39<araneus>is there a way to do Debian Squeeze graphical install with PXE? I have the netboot.tar.gz from Squeeze, APPEND initrd=initrd.gz
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13:40<project2501a>retrospectacus: example: you would like to sort files by approximate size in a directory that has hundred of thousands of files, so you can archive them afterwards. it would be nice if you can tell ls "list the files in this directory, sort them by size, dynamically create a "scale": it should start with the smallest file size and the top should be the file(s) with the largest file size. then find out which files are around of that 80% and upward
13:40<project2501a>s in that specific scale" . then you could delete them. so in essence you would not have to specify a -size in find. find or ls would do that for you.
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13:42<retrospectacus>project2501a: seems kind of an odd thing to do but I'm sure you could, though not with just ls
13:43<project2501a>retrospectacus: in small filesystems, what i am proposing does not make sense
13:43<project2501a>it starts making sense once you got a couple of pb of data and million of files in a directory
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13:46<retrospectacus>project2501a: your ~80% largest files: ls -lS | head -n$(($(ls|wc -l)*80/100))
13:47<project2501a>oh, wow.
13:47<project2501a>nice :)
13:47<cooldude>by mistake a drug the logout button to the top panel, i cant right click and delete, what are my options for removing it
13:48<project2501a>retrospectacus: as i said, i was just thinking out loud, but kudos!
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13:59<jack_thompson>i have memleaks with the nvidia 285.9.5 and 275.36 drivers in unstable...
13:59<jack_thompson>and a kernel oops
14:01<jack_thompson>any recommendations (except nouveau.. i tried nouveau and it works great.. but is still a little too slow)
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14:08<joachim2>madduck: turned out that ahci.ko got corrupted and wasn't loaded, reinstalling the kernel solved the problem, thanks
14:08<madduck>joachim2: interesting problem, good analysis. ;)
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14:26<grummund>babilen: thanks for the advice. i installed cclive in squeeze but it has a problem (bug 607779) ...
14:26<grummund>the advice at the end of that bug report is to use unstable version of libquvi0, how can i do that?
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14:28<dpkg>Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
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14:38<araneus>okay, I found the answer to my problem myself: I was using the normal netboot.tar.gz instead of the gtk/netboot.tar.gz :)
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14:39<araneus>also APPEND vga=788 was required, otherwise screen stays black
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15:00<TobiX>Hi. There was a modern replacement to "dpkg --get-selections > bla; dpkg --set-selections < bla" that also preserves auto-install status, but I can't find it anywhere...
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15:01<ml|>TobiX: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ?
15:02<devil>TobiX: apt-mark?
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15:03<TobiX>ml|: Ah, nice, that one I was searching for.
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15:40<patricio>hola a todos
15:40<patricio>se puede instala openoffice en lubuntu
15:41<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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15:42<retrospectacus>de nada
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15:55<jankidudel>how to disable selinux ?
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15:57<retrospectacus>jankidudel: /msg dpkg selinux and go from there. SELinux is NOT enabled by default on debian.
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16:27<rss>hi all
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16:33<vrkalak>back in a sec. -- switching machines
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16:43<darkhalf>is RTL8101E/RTL8102E support in package firmware-realtek ?
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16:44<robsonpeixoto>Hi. I'd like to migrate from testing to unstable. With it I can report bug and use newer softwares. Is the unstable so unstable? Or is better keep on testing? I use my notebook for everything. thanks
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16:44<darkhalf>robsonpeixoto: if anything unstable is maybe better. because if something breaks it tends to get fixed quicker. in theory
16:44<eightyeight>robsonpeixoto: i don't have any issues running unstable personally. it's not realy 'unstable' as it would have you seem
16:44<devil>robsonpeixoto: please join #debian-next for unstable matters
16:44<eightyeight>robsonpeixoto: with that said, stuff does break on occassion
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16:46<darkhalf>is there a simple way to find out what driver eth0 is using?
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16:47<retrospectacus>lsmod|grep eth
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16:47<darkhalf>retrospectacus: thanks
16:47<retrospectacus>ehhh there's probably better ways, that might work
16:48<darkhalf>retrospectacus: erm, shows nothing. does that mean that the driver is built into the kernel directly or that the command isn't working?
16:48<robsonpeixoto>thanks darkhalf eightyeight
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16:49<rss>robsonpeixoto, have been running unstable on my production laptop since 1998. Stuff breaks so it is not for the faint of heart. but never for long. Some command line ability and knowledge of how to downgrade to previous version including downloading of packages and force installing is advised
16:49<eightyeight>darkhalf: no, lsmod(8) will work fine
16:49<eightyeight>darkhalf: grep(1)-ping for 'eth0' isn't the way to filter it
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16:49*ml| points to #debian-next
16:49<robsonpeixoto>darkhalf, eightyeight and rss: I will upgrade now +D
16:49<retrospectacus>darkhalf: it'll be somewhere in lsmod however I am not sure what to grep for
16:50<darkhalf>retrospectacus: i'll just use less and take a look at the full shebang
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16:50<darkhalf>retrospectacus: maybe grepping for modules that are in use?
16:51<devil>robsonpeixoto: next time #d-next please
16:51<retrospectacus>darkhalf: dmesg|grep eth should tell you
16:51<theta>can someone help me with restarting Apache? I get an error when I do service apache2 restart.
16:52<darkhalf>retrospectacus: that comes up blank too. weird. Now I do have eth0 listed in ifconfig.. so some driver is providing it somwhere. Just seeing if it's OK to remove firmware-realtek
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16:52<eightyeight>retrospectacus: no, it won't
16:52<darkhalf>one way to find out is to remove it and see if eth0 dissappears heh
16:52<eightyeight>retrospectacus: lsmod(8) only lists modules, not devices
16:52<retrospectacus>I know
16:52<darkhalf>eightyeight: yeah but devices use modules
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16:53<eightyeight>retrospectacus: so why do you think eth0 or eth should show in the output, when eth0 is a device?
16:53<retrospectacus>I said dmesg not lsmod
16:53<rss>darkhalf, lspci or lsusb might help to identify which devices you actually have.
16:53<eightyeight>yes. that is one way
16:54<eightyeight>theta: what is the error?
16:54<retrospectacus>(I did say lsmod earlier which works on some of my boxs but not others)
16:54<theta>Starting web server: apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs Action 'start' failed. The Apache error log may have more information. failed!
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16:54<theta>Even after killall and rebooting it happens.
16:54<eightyeight>theta: so, what is bound to port 80?
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16:54<rss>theta, that means something is already using port 80 (http) on the loopback ipv6 address
16:54<theta>just Apache
16:55<eightyeight>not according to that error
16:55<eightyeight>something else is
16:55<eightyeight>and apache can't bind to it
16:55<theta>How should I check?
16:55<darkhalf>rss: I think I found it: lsmod | grep r8169
16:56<rss>darkhalf, that sound right that is a network modules is it wireless?
16:56<darkhalf>rss: network module
16:56<retrospectacus>theta: netstat -plant |grep :80
16:57<theta>wow now that I joined IRC to ask it's not giving the error anymore.
16:57<theta>I'll reboot and see if it comes back.
16:57<retrospectacus>hooray, we fixed it
16:57<darkhalf>rss: which means I DO need the firmware-realtek package. Good job I didn't remove it then. Always safe to be sure
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16:58<rss>darkhalf, the reattek chips are ubiquitous. That means often used. with a recent kernel they should work out of the box. what are you trying to achieve?
16:58<theta>One other thing is I'm using virtual network devices for my other IPs and half the time when I reboot they won't come up or ping and I have to readd them all and reboot to get it working.
16:59<darkhalf>rss: err.. was just trying to clean up space. small system, removing unnecessary packages..
16:59<rss>darkhalf, small system? like a plug computer?
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16:59<eightyeight>theta: re: the virtual ips, are they saved to disk?
17:00<darkhalf>rss: indeed
17:00<theta>I believe so. I added them with Virtualmin.
17:00<theta>I'm not really sure where it saves that.
17:00<rss>darkhalf, which plug are you trying?
17:00<theta>I'm a noob lol.
17:00<eightyeight>theta: they should be saved in /etc/network/interfaces
17:01<theta>they are not in there
17:01<eightyeight>then that would explain why they are not coming up on boot
17:01<eightyeight>if you want something persistent across reboots, it needs to be saved to disk
17:01<theta>the first one is, which seems to always work, but the ones that sometimes work sometimes don't aren't
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17:02<theta>where do you think it's saved?
17:02<rss>theta, new debian use network manager and an empty interfaces
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17:02<eightyeight>good point
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17:02<eightyeight>theta: is network-manager installed?
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17:03<theta>I'll look
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17:04<theta>no, it's not
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17:04<rss>theta, eightyeight : ifconfig -a should show all interfaces. using traditional /etc/network/interfaces for registered interfaces should bypass network-manager for that interface
17:05<eightyeight>then /etc/network/interfaces is your config. i'm not familiar with virtualmin, so you'll probably need to read that documentation
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17:05<eightyeight>rss: correct
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17:06<theta>yeah that command is only showing eth0:1 and not eth0:2 eth0:3 eth0:4 which I tried to setup
17:07<retrospectacus>theta: is eth0:1 in the interfaces file?
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17:07<theta>yes it is
17:07<rss>theta, the ":" means that they are subinterfaces
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17:08<retrospectacus>so add the others in there
17:08<rss>theta, what doe ifconfig eth0 say?
17:08<theta>ok well in Virtualmin I went under all my interfaces activated on boot and went in them all and clicked save and apply in the gui and now that command is showing them with the others
17:08<retrospectacus>note that it might get clobbered by (or even break) whatever virtualmin is
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17:09<retrospectacus>we cannot support "virtualmin" - it is not part of debian
17:09<rss>theta, your replay says you are tring to use 4 subinterfaces on eth0 with no network config at all
17:11<rss>theta, what happens of you add a eth0 stanza and no just eth0:1 eth0:2 etc....
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17:12<rss>retrospectacus, agreed on possibly breaking virtualmin
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17:12<phin>how do i get dpkg to be setup to ask me more questions when i install packages?
17:13<theta>Is it okay if virtual interfaces use the same broadcast?
17:13<rss>phin, dkpg does not ask id executes what you say. apt-get might ask
17:14<retrospectacus>theta: yes, they probably should
17:14<phin>found it
17:14<phin>dpkg-reconfigure debconf
17:14<theta>Ok I'm trying to put it into the file manually.
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17:14<theta>I have another file in the same dir called Interfaces~ should I edit that one too?
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17:14<rss>theta, are you familiar with the /etc/network/interfaces stanza format?
17:15<retrospectacus>theta: note that virtual interfaces MUST NOT have a gateway line in their stanza just address and netmask is fine
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17:15<rss>theta, listen to retrospectacus about the gateway
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17:16<theta>no I am not familiar with any of this really lol
17:16<theta>so no gateway, ok.
17:16<rss>phin, dkpg-reconfigure debconf reconfigures debconf and not dpkg.
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17:17<virtual>hello, in gnome3 i have a regular desktop, mouse can move but i can't enter any action (neither click something nor use hotkeys e.g. ALT-F2) any suggestions ?
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17:18<retrospectacus>theta: here is a (modified for my security) one of mine for example
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17:19<theta>does this look right?
17:20<rss>retrospectacus, good paste. theta read it
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17:20<theta>so I do not need a broadcast?
17:21<retrospectacus>theta: looks OK... you don't need the broadcast and network lines though, it should work anyways as long as they're right
17:21<theta>I think I;
17:21<theta>I'll drop them because I have no idea if they are right
17:21<theta>that's how it was though.
17:21<retrospectacus>the system can figure those out itself from the address and mask
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17:21<phin>rss my apoligize. i just wanted something that would ask me more questions.
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17:22<retrospectacus>theta: you also have "auto eth0" additinally "allow-hotplug eth0" - I'm not sure if this is a problem but you only need one
17:23<theta>which one should I remove?
17:23<theta>doesnt matteR?
17:23<retrospectacus>ummm guessing this is a VM? then remove allow-hotplug
17:23<retrospectacus>since you can't really plug/unplug the NIC
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17:24<theta>By VM you mean VPS?
17:24<theta>no it's dedicated
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17:25<retrospectacus>auto is good
17:25<theta>so which one should I remove?
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17:25<theta>yeah so on another note, that apache error came back just now.
17:26<retrospectacus>apache can't grab port 80 and you've verified apache is not already running?
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17:27<retrospectacus>netstat -plant |grep :80 <- will tell you what is listening there
17:27<ml|>virtual: wheezy/sid: #debian-next
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17:27<virtual>ml|: thanks :)
17:27<theta>root@srv:~# netstat -plant |grep :80 tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 2885/apache2 tcp6 258 0 ESTABLISHED - tcp6 0 0 TIME_WAIT -
17:28<retrospectacus>so... apache2 is listening (pid 2885)
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17:28<theta>i tried killall apache2
17:28<rss>theta, your subnet is that means your first ip available is 145 and last 150
17:28<theta>didnt work
17:29<retrospectacus>it's already running, why kill it? You should use service apache2 stop
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17:29<theta>root@srv:~# service apache2 stop Stopping web server: apache2. root@srv:~# service apache2 start Starting web server: apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs Action 'start' failed
17:29<spacemonkey>invoke-rc.d apache2 stop
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17:30<theta>@spacemonkey starting it still gives error after that,
17:30<rss>phin, not a problem. debconf asks questions so reconfiguring that should help dpkg installs
17:30<spacemonkey>theta, it's probably not dying properly. try killall -9 apache2; invoke-rc.d start apache2
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17:31<theta>that worked
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17:31<theta>not the invoke part though
17:32<theta>i just did the first command you gave me
17:32<theta>and service apache2 start
17:32<spacemonkey>theta, sometimes stop/start doesn't work and you have to be a bit more angry with it, otherwise it can leave the socket bound
17:33<theta>I can get it started now but I'm trying to find out how I can get service apache2 restart to work without making it unstartable
17:33<spacemonkey>theta, I think restart will probably work now. you tried it?
17:33<theta>nope it wont
17:33<theta>same error again
17:33<spacemonkey>proftpd does a similar thing in stable when reloading the config via reload.
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17:34<spacemonkey>theta, might be worth filing a bug report with reportbug
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17:37<rss>theta, why the frown?
17:38<theta>can't get restart working lol
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17:39<retrospectacus>theta: anything in logs?
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17:42<theta>I says can't open logs so I don't think it's logging anything
17:43<retrospectacus>can't open logs? How did you install apache2 exactly?
17:43<theta> Starting web server: apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs Action 'start' failed. The Apache error log may have more information.
17:43<theta>does that mean it didn't log anything?
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17:44<retrospectacus>look in /var/log/apache2 and see
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17:45<rss>theta, the message you see means that there is already something using port 80 when apache start. possibly you have another webserver running before apache starts
17:45<theta>i found a pretty big log called error
17:46<theta>yeah well if I do the killall I can start it up but I want to be able to use restart
17:46<theta>I should only have Apache 2.
17:46<theta>I never installed any other server.
17:47<retrospectacus>theta: so what kind of errors are at the end of that log??
17:48<theta>ill find out when notepad starts responding lol
17:48<theta>its a big file
17:48<retrospectacus>lol notepad...
17:48<rss>theta, your last comment means that apache2 is not shutting down as it should. try /etc/init.d apache2 stop then ps ax | grep apache if that returns a running instance of apache that means your init.d scripts might not be current. if so try reinstalling apache2
17:48<retrospectacus>tail error.log is much faster
17:49<theta> -bash: /etc/init.d: is a directory
17:49<theta>command didn't work
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17:50<retrospectacus>he meant /etc/init.d/apache2 stop but it's identical to both service apache2 stop and the invoke-rc.d ...
17:50<rss>theta, sorry i had a type /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
17:50<theta> root@srv:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 stop Stopping web server: apache2 ... waiting . root@srv:~# ps ax | grep apache 5453 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep apache root@srv:~#
17:51<retrospectacus>seems to indicate it did stop
17:51<rss>theta, all apache processes should end after that command.
17:51<theta>yeah so I can do this
17:51<theta>root@srv:~# service apache2 start Starting web server: apache2. root@srv:~#
17:51<theta>and it works
17:51<theta>but I can't do restart.
17:52<theta> root@srv:~# service apache2 start Starting web server: apache2. root@srv:~# ^C root@srv:~# service apache2 restart Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting ...(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address no listening sockets available, shutting down Unab
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17:52<rss>theta, what does /etc/init.d/apache2 restart do?
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17:53<theta>root@srv:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 {start|stop|graceful-stop|restart|reload|force-reload|start-htcacheclean|stop-htcacheclean|status}.
17:53<theta>hang on
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17:53<dioz>nice paste
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17:54<theta>root@srv:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart Restarting web server: apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs Action 'start' failed. The Apache error log may have more information. fail
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17:56<rss>theta, so restart on the daemon does not work. stop and start does. possibly you have ann "old" version of the script. Does anyone know which apache2 package needs a re-install with a force overwrite?
17:56<retrospectacus>$ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache2
17:56<retrospectacus>apache2.2-common: /etc/init.d/apache2
17:57<rss>theta, di you catch retrospectacus comment?
17:57<theta>yeah so what should I do
17:57<theta> root@srv:~# dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache2 apache2.2-common: /etc/init.d/apache2 root@srv:~#
17:58<retrospectacus>(that tells you how you may see what package created that file on your system; the answer is apache2.2-common (for me!) )
17:58<theta>ok i got the same thing
17:58<retrospectacus>rss' idea is to reinstall/upgrade that package to get a better version of that file
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17:59<rss>retrospectacus, thanks. it is what i meant
17:59<theta>will delete everything that's setup? not sure how i should go about that
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18:00<retrospectacus>no it won't; apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common I believe is the command
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18:00<rss>theta, possibly apt-get install --reinstall apache2.... will work?
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18:01<rss>theta, sorry see retrospectacus answer it is more complete
18:01<theta>ok well it reinstalled
18:01<theta>still same error
18:01<rss>theta, how does restart work now?
18:02<theta>still gives the same error
18:02<theta>should I try killall first?
18:02<rss>theta, yes
18:02<theta>"killall -9 apache2"
18:02<theta>yep did that, restart works
18:02<theta>root@srv:~# service apache2 restart Restarting web server: apache2.
18:03<retrospectacus>and again?
18:03<theta>it didnt even give me that stupid wait... stuff
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18:03<theta> Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . root@srv:~# service apache2 restart Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . root@srv:~# service apache2 restart Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . root@srv:~#
18:03<theta>thanks guys!
18:03<retrospectacus>nice :)
18:03<rss>theta, you are welcome
18:03<theta>hopefully this sticks
18:04<rss>theta, it should
18:04<theta>so earlier when we were doing the interfaces should i have removed any of the auto stuff or is it ok that i left it as it was?
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18:04<rss>retrospectacus, thanks for the assist
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18:04<retrospectacus>sure thing :)
18:05<retrospectacus>theta: we have very bad memories... provide a detailed question
18:05<rss>theta, too far back for my buffer
18:05<theta>um well
18:05<theta>it was like
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18:05<bipoler>got banned
18:05<theta>auto etho
18:06<theta>and hotplug
18:06<theta>or something
18:06<bipoler>I am unbanibble
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18:06<rss>theta, auto eth0 sounds good
18:06<retrospectacus>oh yeah, drop the allow-hotplug line
18:06<theta>ok cool
18:06<rss>retrospectacus, exactly
18:07<rss>theta, a subinterface cannot hotplug
18:07<theta>allow-hotplug eth0 that right
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18:07<theta>yeah this is the main interface not a sub
18:07<theta>the subs dont have it
18:08<rss>theta, why not replace the hotplug with auto? if you are configuring subs that the main needs to be up and it should auto not when you plugin an ethernet cable
18:08<retrospectacus>the subs should have auto
18:08<theta>yeah i think subs have auto
18:08<theta>hang on
18:08<theta>ill paste
18:08<rss>theta, good
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18:09<theta>here it is
18:09<theta>i have auto for everything
18:09<theta>hotplug just for eth0
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18:10<retrospectacus>ya get rid of line 9 and it's good
18:10<theta>ok thanks
18:10<retrospectacus>auto everything :)
18:10<rss>theta, the allow hotplug is not needed you already auto eth0
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18:11<theta>ok cool
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18:11<theta>got it
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18:11<theta>what is the hotplug anyway?
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18:11<theta>this is a dedicated server not a VM
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18:12<rss>theta, hotplug means that a unconfigured interface with no ethernet connection can auto config when acable is plugged in
18:12<theta>oh ok
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18:14<rss>theta, mainly useful if you plugout of network and plugin to another. in combo with dhcp it gives plugout of net a an plug into net b and presto ip address router and dns
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18:14<theta>where'd you guys learn all this anyway? haha
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18:15<theta>wow I rebooted and the apache problem came back :(
18:15<theta>maybe I should wipe server and reinstall :/
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18:16<rss>theta, that means there is some legacy apache script that start in your boot sequence that should no longer be there
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18:16<theta>what should be my first step to check that?
18:16<rss>theta, what doe ls /etc/init.d | grep apa say
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18:17<rss>theta only apache2?
18:17<rss>what does /etc/default contain?
18:18<theta>a bunch of files
18:18<valdyn>rss: settings used by init scripts to configure services but are not in service config files
18:18<theta>not sure how to list them all
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18:18<rss>valdyn, sorry my mistake
18:19<rss>valdyn, enlighten us
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18:19<valdyn>rss: about what?
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18:22<theta>I just have my normal start up programs files in there.
18:22<rss>theta, does apache get started twice in your startup sequence?
18:22<theta>how should i check that?
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18:23<rss>theta, on my system apache only start on run level 2 3 4 5
18:23<theta>im not really sure where to check this
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18:24<rss>theta, sysv-rc-conf?
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18:24<valdyn>or find /etc/rc*.d -name "*apache*"
18:25<theta>oh its in the first one
18:25<rss>theta, valdyn's answer is also good. possibly better
18:26<valdyn>theta: KXYapache2 does *not* mean that it in that runlevel
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18:26<theta>im confused lol
18:26<theta>i have no idea what im doing right now
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18:27<rss>theta, are you familiar with th debian linux boot sequence?
18:27<valdyn>theta: if you ran my command you listed in which runlevel apache is starts (SXYapache2) and in which runlevel its stopped or not started (KXYapache2)
18:30<rss>valdyn, theta that looks like a normal start to me
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18:31<valdyn>theta: please kill all and any process that is listening at port 80, then verify that nothing is listening on port 80, then start apache
18:32<theta>well that's thing, that works, but the restart script wont work
18:32<rss>theta, valdyn :It's late where I'm at. My SO is saying light out in 10. ;) I hope valdyn can continue to assist. CU
18:32<valdyn>theta: if you have already done that and apache is still broken then you just configured it wrongly, that is you configured the same port twice
18:32<theta>if i kill it and start it it works fine, but then when i try service apache2 restart i get an error
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18:33<valdyn>theta: dont use kill -9
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18:33<theta>what should I use?
18:33<valdyn>theta: use /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
18:34<theta>that's what I get
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18:34<valdyn>theta: after you stop apache you need to verify manually that nothing is listening on port 80
18:34<spacemonkey>theta, /etc/init.d/apache2 stop clearly isn't stopping apache for whatever reason
18:35<theta>what command is that
18:35<theta>I don't remember any of the netstat or anything
18:35<valdyn>theta: netstat -plunt
18:35<theta>yeah it's not stopping
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18:36<valdyn>theta: try /etc/init.d/apache2 stop again and again
18:36<theta>ok i did it like 20 times
18:37<valdyn>theta: and its not giving an error?
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18:37<valdyn>theta: read the apache log files
18:37<spacemonkey>valdyn, ?
18:38<valdyn>spacemonkey: ok, but that looks like something else
18:38<theta>which log file should I read
18:39<valdyn>theta: if that bug report is whats affecting you then apache2 should be dead after a while waiting after /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
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18:39<valdyn>spacemonkey: but beside that it seems to be fixed after etch
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18:40<theta>yeah apache still seems to be running
18:40<valdyn>theta: whats in the log file?
18:40<theta>which log file?
18:40<theta>sorry I don't know much about any of this stuff
18:40<valdyn>theta: just read
18:40<valdyn>theta: thats all you need to do or know
18:41<theta>where is said log file?
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18:41<valdyn>theta: in /var/log/apache2/
18:41<theta>error.log right?
18:41<valdyn>theta: yea
18:41<valdyn>theta: its plain english
18:42<valdyn>theta: well mostly, i dont know anything about apache log files, i just read, as should you. Nothing out of the ordinary is required
18:42<valdyn>"[notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down"
18:42<valdyn>so *my* apache did shut down
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18:42<theta>i got that in mine
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18:43<valdyn>theta: now watch that log file while shutting down apache
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18:43<jhutchins_lt>There is a difference between apache beginning a shutdown and apache being fully shut down.
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18:44<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: sure
18:44<theta>did a stop again and nothing new
18:44<theta>in there
18:44<jhutchins_lt>I believe the default shutdown attempts to finish serving any current requests.
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18:45<valdyn>theta: so brute force kill it, then start it, then stop it, all while watching the log file
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18:45<valdyn>theta: so you might then see the "caught SIGTERM, shutting down" and you can check if its gone or not
18:45<theta>is brute force the kill 9?
18:46<valdyn>theta: now it looks like its failing to shut down, but we dont know before you tried
18:46<valdyn>theta: yes
18:46<valdyn>theta: dont do that on live systems, but now its ok
18:46<theta>ok i dont really remember the command
18:46<theta>just the kill -9 part lol
18:46<valdyn>theta: killall -9 apache2
18:47<spacemonkey>theta, what does restart do?
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18:48<theta>same old error
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18:48<theta>heres my lol
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18:48<theta>thats the new stuff
18:49<valdyn>theta: same old deal, apache2 tried to shut down but probably does not
18:49<theta>oh :/
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18:50<spacemonkey>I see you are getting lots of client connections. maybe apache2 is waiting before they're all served? also they're invalid files
18:50<valdyn>theta: i dont know why
18:50<scraze>aren't those errors something to take note of?
18:50<spacemonkey>scraze, yes
18:50<valdyn>theta: if spacemonkey is right it might take a long time till it shuts down
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18:50<theta>not sure how to fix that then
18:50<valdyn>scraze: failed GET? i would think thats irrelevant
18:51<spacemonkey>there are a few connections a second in some cases.. that's quite a lot
18:51<spacemonkey>you could certainly do netstat -pantl | grep 80
18:52<spacemonkey>or look at any TIME_WAIT / ESTABLISHED
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18:52<spacemonkey>that's your problem!
18:52<valdyn>theta: did you or someone else mess with tcp timeouts?
18:52<theta>i dont believe so
18:53<theta>wait what?
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18:53<theta>im the only admin and i'm not sure how to do that or what it is so probably not
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18:53<valdyn>theta: how is it possible that you are the only admin but you have so many concurrent accesses?
18:54<theta>no idea :/
18:54<theta>i have a few low traffic sites
18:55<valdyn>theta: thers like 18 concurrent accesses
18:55<valdyn>theta: from 9 hosts
18:55<theta>I had a Minecraft server running in java but it's not running right nopw
18:55<theta>spacemonkey: what's my problem?
18:56<spacemonkey>spacemonkey, you have connections. apache2 will wait a while before shutting down
18:56<theta>oh ok
18:56<spacemonkey>I can't tell you WHY you have those connections :)
18:56<theta>aw :/
18:56<valdyn>spacemonkey: but the init script should also cope with that properly (mine does)
18:56<spacemonkey>theta, but well done for buying minecraft ;-)
18:57<theta>mc has nothing to do with this right?
18:57<spacemonkey>valdyn, yes but how many CLOSE_WAIT do you have?
18:57<valdyn>spacemonkey: none
18:57<spacemonkey>maybe the sockets are never torn down properly...
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18:58<valdyn>spacemonkey: im talking about "... waiting" in the stop part
18:58<valdyn>spacemonkey: its supposed to wait, and the bug report sais that its working
18:58<spacemonkey>hmmm.. there are numerous bug reports even now about apache2 not waiting..
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18:59<spacemonkey>for example
18:59<theta>im pretty confused right now lol
18:59<spacemonkey>anyway, i gotta run. theta.. i hope you get it sorted :)
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18:59<spacemonkey>valdyn, good luck :P
18:59<theta>see ya
18:59<valdyn>spacemonkey: that bug report is something else
19:00<spacemonkey>valdyn, looks similar(ish) in that there is a race condition in the init scripts.
19:00<valdyn>spacemonkey: its not talking about apache not shutiing down properly but its talking about apache not being done *starting* after the script finishes
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19:01<spacemonkey>valdyn, I'm outta ideas... I've seen similar problems with init scripts for other services though over the years. proftpd springs to mind. I'll take a look at the apache2 scripts tomorrow as I don't run it and would have to install it
19:02<valdyn>spacemonkey: yes, im out of ideas too but are easy enough to do on irc
19:02<valdyn>spacemonkey: yes, im out of ideas too *that* are easy enough to do on irc
19:02*spacemonkey waves night night
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19:02<theta>i wonder whats wrong with my system lol
19:03<theta>If I wipe it and reinstall everything it'll probably work right?
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19:09<scraze>theta: if the file /etc/init.d/apache2 hasn't been touched since you just reinstalled apache2.2-common (confirm with debsums -e apache2.2-common | grep init.d) and if after killing apache2 the restarting works again, then probably you would be good if you could just find whatever is messing things up at boot
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19:11<theta>it says command not found
19:11<theta>debsums: command not found
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19:16<theta>hmm how should i fix my boot?
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19:28<damiano>anyone there?
19:28<damiano>oh goodie. ii have a weird problem with cd/dvd drive on Debian
19:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:29<damiano>some media opens up really slow. Whether DVD or CD... CD is more often.
19:29<damiano>and no, nothing's wrong with the disks or the drive.
19:29<devil>damiano: sata drive?
19:29<damiano>yesterday i put in BIOS yes.
19:29<damiano>but it was IDE there for some reason.
19:30<damiano>however... that didn't make it open up slower. But one thing did change... now at least it doesn't hang the system.
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19:30<damiano>cause it was temporarily freezing it and i couldn't do anything till it gets identified.
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19:30<devil>damiano: does your bios have any timeout settings?
19:31<damiano>hm.... dunno...
19:31<damiano>what's that?
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19:32<devil>older bios versions had those to give devices enough time to get settled
19:32<retrospectacus>damiano: check dmesg for CRC or "media sense" errors?
19:33<damiano>well yeah, there were some things like that... but let me show you
19:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <>.
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19:33<damiano>i know, thanks.
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19:34<metaspike>damiano, stable, testing or sid?
19:34<retrospectacus>ok :) just making sure you don't get booted
19:34<damiano>yeah, thanks..
19:34<damiano>that's what's been happening lately..
19:35<damiano>that's the only prob i got left... wanna get rid of it so bad..
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19:36<damiano>it reads ALL disks ok.. it just opens some of them i dunno what those errors are about.
19:36<damiano>once the disk is identified i can do anything i want with it.
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19:38<damiano>seems like it has probs reading headers sometimes for some reason. But i repeat - disks are ok. They all open the same in Windows.
19:38<metaspike>damiano, what version of debian
19:38<damiano>Squeeze stable
19:38<damiano>sorry, didn't notice your first one
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19:39<jhutchins_lt>damiano: How do you know it's not the drive?
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19:40<damiano>jhutchins, well because i had no probs with it on windows. There was no such thing like opening some media slower or faster.
19:40<damiano>it was all the same. Here it's kinda weird.
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19:41<damiano>i dunno, maybe Debian is more sensitive to some things
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19:41<jhutchins_lt>damiano: Just because the hardware _was_ ok doesn't mean it _is_ ok.
19:41<damiano>that which is ignored by windows
19:41<damiano>well.... i dunno.
19:41<jhutchins_lt>damiano: Are you dual booting?
19:41<damiano>no. Not yet.
19:41<damiano>but i'm planning to install windows just for games.
19:42<jhutchins_lt>It's either a problem with the driver, or a hardware problem, and frankly hardware is more likely.
19:42<damiano>hm... i see.
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19:42<jhutchins_lt>damiano: I'd check the cables.
19:42<jhutchins_lt>Some SATA cables are really crap and don't stay connected very well.
19:42<damiano>cables are alright... it's SATA.. i never touched the drive even. And i have this PC for two years only.
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19:42<damiano>ok... i have something else to tell you
19:42<damiano>if that contributes anything to the subject given
19:43<damiano>in windows there was actually one weird thing about it
19:43<damiano>when i was burning CDs (not DVDs, those are fine) it was slowing down things globally, like it didn't use dma mode, just like in old times on Win 98.... and that's it.
19:44<damiano>tell me just one thing, why is it only SOME disks but not all of them?
19:45<damiano>how are they different?
19:45<jhutchins_lt>Well, the quality of disks varies a LOT.
19:46<jhutchins_lt>I mean, I can link you to the CDR FAQ which will tell you EVERYTHING.
19:46<damiano>how come that didn't matter in windows?..
19:46<damiano>and hey, they are read normally once opened you see.
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19:47<damiano>ok.. do it please.
19:47<jhutchins_lt>damiano: Windows puts up with some errors it really shouldn't. Again, you can't be sure that how it works now is the same as how it worked then?
19:47<damiano>erm..... very good question bro.
19:47<damiano>no, i can't be sure, cause ever since i got onto linux i haven't really used windows much. So no, something might've changed of course.
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19:48<damiano>but i haven't been using it for a long time. Just a couple of weeks. Do you really think something could happen for such a short period of time?..
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19:49<damiano>you see, i like Debian, it's comfy in many ways
19:49<damiano>very agile
19:50<jhutchins_lt>damiano: Two years is plenty of time for a cable to oxidize or vibrate loose, so it's still worth checking. I also wouldn't be surprized if after two years a drive was bad.
19:50<damiano>but.. those little bugs and outdated software brings me in confusion sometimes. That's how i was torturing myself to find out why i keep getting audio probs like... sound gets jammed if multistream playback... or something takes over... and you know, it turned out that i had to install newer version of ALSA which i had to compile in turn.
19:50<jhutchins_lt>I can't rip more than about three CD's in a row on mine.
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19:51<damiano>ok... i see...
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19:51<jhutchins_lt>Heat will make them fail faster, but they're pretty cheap these days.
19:51<jhutchins_lt>Nobody wants to pay over $200 for a high quality drive.
19:52<damiano>i see.
19:52<jhutchins_lt>There's something else that could affect it, if you have bad RAM. Re-seat the modules and consider running memcheck overnight.
19:52<damiano>please tell me where the packages are stored in Debian. I can't remember the folder.
19:53<damiano>i need to retrieve everything for future re-installation.
19:53<jhutchins_lt>damiano: I think you have to install it, then it becomes a boot option.
19:53<damiano>i'll keep in mind
19:53<jhutchins_lt>damiano: which <command> to find a command, locate <string> to find a file.
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19:54<jhutchins_lt>The CD and the DVD use different physical devices to read and write, different frequency laser. If one is scratched or failing, one or the other won't work as well.
19:54<jhutchins_lt>Two years... you could try cleaning it.
19:55<jhutchins_lt>damiano: It could be that it's having trouble finding/aligning with the track, once it locks on it's fine.
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19:56<damiano>yeah, it happened to me before, with other drives, BUT.... those were really old and also i wouldn't know how fast they'd open those.. sometimes it was pretty quick. And now it uses like the same timeline always..
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20:01<metaspike>damiano, these dvd's wouldn't happen to be movies would they
20:01<damiano>and it happens more often to CDs actually
20:01<damiano>here i got old worn out Verbatim DVD-RW. It reads it just PERFECTLY
20:01<damiano>well.. it's still good actually.
20:02<damiano>opens up real quick
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20:02<metaspike>what kinda drive is it. apatec, lite-on?
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20:03<damiano>this one exactly.
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20:05<damiano>tell me one thing, can i install Debian first and only then Windows on the other partition and edit GRUB somehow?
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20:07<metaspike>yeah, but you might want to disable your linux drive in windows while installing windows incase it overwrites the mbr of your linux installation. (it happens)
20:08<damiano>ah.. yeah...
20:09<metaspike>no wait you're saying- on the same hard-drive? if you do that, then windows will over-write the mbr and you will need to reinstall it using a live-debian disc
20:09<damiano>aha.. so i have to install windows first after all.
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20:10<metaspike>you can use grub-install to reinstall it, and get chainload setup, but its really just easier to install windows first and leave adequte space for linux second
20:10<damiano>yeah... what if install Windows on disk C: and later Debian on D:?
20:11<damiano>will it be ok?
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20:12<metaspike>these days typically yes- debian-installer has gotten pretty good at grubbing windows installations.
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20:13<jhutchins_lt>The current windows bootloader can supposedly load linux.
20:13<damiano>listen.. is there any other media burning program on Gnome except for Brasero? I like it, but it lacks one feature.. it doesn't verify disks after burning.
20:13<damiano>let's see..
20:13<jhutchins_lt>damiano: That URL should have a complete list.
20:14<damiano>you mean the one above?
20:15<damiano>hm.. so it's a console thing....
20:15<damiano>isn't there any GUI program? Just curious.
20:15<cthuluh>just run md5sum /your/cdrom /your.iso
20:16<damiano>is that to check?
20:16<cthuluh>it should be enough
20:16<damiano>alright, thanks for telling.
20:16<metaspike>wodim is great.
20:16<damiano>i'll try it
20:17<metaspike>damino, you COULD manually configure your satadrive with hdparm, but it might void your warranty / destroy your hardware :p
20:17<damiano>is there any way to destroy it with a program?
20:17<metaspike>of course there is! linux can do anything ^_^
20:19<jhutchins_lt>damiano: It's not uncommon for DVD drives to have updateable/hackable/breakable firmware.
20:19<damiano>i see.
20:19<damiano>tell me the command line to check any media please.
20:20<damiano>hmm... hey listen... there's one weird thing here
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20:20<metaspike>you could enable the "use_dma" flag for your dvd drive for instance. hdparm -d1 /dev/sr0 - but you should read the warning for hdparm first, it's a doozy
20:20<damiano>seems like it's not only one prob.. look what wodim's doing now (actually Disk Utility showed the same)
20:21<damiano>Error trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
20:21<damiano>Error trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
20:21<damiano>Error trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
20:21<damiano>Error trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
20:21<damiano>Error trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
20:21<damiano>Error trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
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20:21<metaspike>damiano you will be kicked...
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20:27<metaspike>damiano, you could automatically set a few firmware settings with- hdparm /dev/sg0 - however hdparm is dangerous! so unless you're prepared to lose all use of that device, let alone install such a hacky program - just get a different drive, like a sony or lite-on.
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20:37<murisfurder>nu werkt het wel
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20:42<JoeKickass>murisfurder: is your keyboard broken?
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20:51<scraze>JoeKickass: 't was a language.
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20:53<JoeKickass>just google-translated - "now it works" :)
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21:09<g0rs>hello scraze
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21:34<diddier>anybody can help me
21:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:35<diddier>i have an usb modem internet 3g and i want to isntall it in my server but i dont wanna install graphical interface in it i wanna know how to do it in console thanks for helping
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21:35<diddier>my modem is a huawei e153
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21:36<diddier>i'm running debian 6.0.3 i like to read the documentation but i haven't find any because i need your help
21:37<JoeKickass>here's some diddier,
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21:37<JoeKickass>diddier: /msg dpkg 3g for some more
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21:39<diddier>i'll try it thanks a lot
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21:43<JoeKickass>no problem
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21:50<dimedo>help. my remote server has crashed and now only boots into the grub console. i have access via hardware console but i dont know what to do now
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21:50<dimedo>its a lenny server, so its not grub2
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21:51<dimedo>root (hd0,0) finds an ext2 partition, probably thats my boot
21:51<dimedo>how do i get a file list to select the kernel and initrd?
21:53<JoeKickass>dimedo: what's "find /grub/stage1" say?
21:54<dimedo>(hd0,0) and next lline (hd1,0)
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21:58<JoeKickass>did you upgrade anything? Or it just crashed?
21:58<JoeKickass>this thing I'm reading says run these: root (hd0,0) ; setup (hd0) ; quit ; reboot
21:58<dimedo>it ran for a damn long time
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21:58<JoeKickass>or maybe with hd1
22:03<dimedo>JoeKickass: that seemed to have worked
22:03<dimedo>JoeKickass: many thanks, you saved me
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---Logclosed Fri Nov 18 00:00:59 2011