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---Logopened Mon Nov 21 00:00:03 2011
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00:02<Jef91>group I need to add myself too nevyn?
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00:09<nevyn>Jef91: yep.
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00:33<sekon_>which package contains gtk-config, i already have libgtk2.0-dev installed
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00:34<gan>I like to but the model Intel High Defination chipset Motherboard QT65 and QT 67 and i3 based processor, is the model supported by debian ?
00:34<sekon_>and locate gtk-config is not giving any thing, so is dpkg -S gtk-config
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00:37<cmr>sekon_: gtk2 doesn't use gtk-config anymore, it seems.
00:39<sekon_>cmr: thanks a lot
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00:41<Chipzz>sekon_: you're doing several things wrong
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00:42<sekon_>Chipzz: ??
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00:42<Chipzz>dpkg -S only works on packages that are already installed on your system
00:42<dpkg>You Fool! only works on packages that are already installed on your system is installed!
00:43<Chipzz>also, it's the wrong command to use
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00:44<sekon_>Chipzz: which is the correct command to use ??
00:44<Chipzz>'dpkg -S gtk-config' answers the question "what package was 'gtk-config' installed by"
00:44<Chipzz>but since it's not installed, that's the wrong command
00:44<sekon_>so is there a way to do the same for package not installed locally
00:45<sekon_>dpkg -S for all packages in for example
00:45<dpkg>Dingos ate my for all packages in for example!
00:45<Chipzz>you can a) try "apt-cache search gtk-config", b) try using apt-file, or c) search on
00:45<nevyn>sekon_: apt-cache search gtk-config
00:46<sekon_>Chipzz: nevyn Thanks
00:46<Chipzz>gtk-config is from gtk+1.2
00:46<Chipzz>which has been deprecated for AGES
00:46<Chipzz>I *think* gtk+-1.2 isn't in the debian archive anymore
00:46<Chipzz>and you shouldn't install it either
00:47<Chipzz>it's obsolete and no longer maintained
00:47<nevyn>it isn't and packages.d.o gave me sadtimes for a filesearch for gtk-config
00:48<Chipzz>you could try to download gtk+1.2, and compile it yourself, but that would be a very very very bad idea IMO (don't do it)
00:48<cmr>sekon_: What do you need gtk-config for?
00:48<Chipzz>THIRD. don't compile from source anyway. down that path lies evil. lots of evil
00:48<cmr>Chipzz: Why's that?
00:48<sekon_>a old software .. no debian package availabe
00:49<Chipzz>cmr: judging from his questions, he's a "newb". :) chances are, that if he starts to compile from source, he WILL fuck his system. BADLY
00:50<cmr>Chipzz: Heh, fair enough. Gotta learn somehow though, right?
00:52<Chipzz>cmr: if you MUST, go to and look for the last available source package for gtk+1.2 (was there ever a gtk+1.4? I don't recall) and glib1.2, and try to recompile these.
00:53<Chipzz>although my guess is those won't be available due to its disk crash :S
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00:57<Chipzz>sekon_: the bottom line is, gtk+ 1.2 has been obsolete for over 10 years. if the software you're trying to compile hasn't been updated in over 10 years, it probably isn't worth using and you're probably better off trying to find a more recent alternative and install that
00:59<Chipzz>sekon_: what are you trying to install, anyway?
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01:05<Chipzz>heh. there he goes. ah well.
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01:07<gan>I like to but the model Intel High Defination chipset Motherboard QT65 and QT 67 and i3 based processor, is the model supported by debian ?
01:07<gan>I like to buy the model Intel High Defination chipset Motherboard QT65 and QT 67 and i3 based processor, is the model supported by debian ?
01:07<Chipzz>gan: no need to repeat yourself
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01:08<Chipzz>gan: and it probably is. support for motherboards doesn't tend to be an issue. I'ld be more concerned with the other hardware
01:08<sney>intel stuff is usually very well supported. you should be fine. Just be careful when you choose your graphics card.
01:08<Chipzz>like video card
01:08<sney>ha. hive mind
01:08<gan>Chipzz, yes grahics card having problem
01:09<gan>sney, what to do for that
01:09<Chipzz>also, why are you buying a i3 based motherboard when there are better processors available?
01:09<sney>maybe dude is broke
01:09<sney>and it's not like it's a early-00s celeron or something
01:09<Chipzz>no, but there's i5 and i7
01:09<gan>Chipzz, in my school, they planned to have this model
01:09<Chipzz>if he's broke I would buy an i5 based motherboard I think
01:10<sney>ah, the decision is out of his hands
01:10<gan>sney, yes
01:10<sney>gan: newer ati and nvidia graphics can be difficult to support. there will be a solution soon for new nvidia drivers but I'm not sure about ati
01:11<gan>I installed debian in the sample system , i faced the graphics problem
01:11<Chipzz>sney: recommand your school to buy sth that isn't outdated the moment you buy it ;) tell them to go for i5 based setup at the least, I'ld say
01:11<Chipzz>or were tey already bought?
01:11<gan>they already bought some sample here ..
01:12<sney>gan: do you know what video hardware it uses?
01:12<gan>Chipzz, & they need linux support
01:12<Chipzz>ah well. bummer. anyway, I'm off.
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01:13<gan>Chipzz, no idea
01:13<gan>Chipzz, how to find out
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01:14<Chipzz>gan: you mean "sney". also, try lspci, that will most likely tell you what video card is in it
01:14<Chipzz>really off now. bye :)
01:14<sney>yeah, lspci, or if you don't have software access, you can open the case and look
01:14<gan>Chipzz, I am sending a mail regarding grapics card
01:15<gan>sney, right now i am supporting through mail
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01:16<sney>gan: ok
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01:16<sney>gan: it is possible to make almost anything work. Some things are just more difficult
01:17<gan>sney, ok .. thanks
01:18<diego021>sorry, i'm looking for a web fuzzer compatible with debian, any suggestions?
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01:19<diego021>it's a security audit tool
01:19<nevyn>sney: a security tool for exercising apps and confirming that bounds checking is correct
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01:19<nevyn>it's kinda like crashme.
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01:21<nevyn>diego021: apt-cache search shows wapiti - Web application vulnerability scanner
01:21<nevyn>when you search for fuzzer
01:21<diego021>i will try
01:22<diego021>i found another but the problem is that is a bit buggy
01:22<diego021>it's called wfuzz
01:23<nevyn>wapiti looks reasonably capabil from the description
01:23<nevyn>zzuf looks unlikely to be what you want (unless you're doing db side validation you want to exercise)
01:25<diego021>intresting, thanks you
01:25<diego021>i'll try it out
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01:56<andersonbr>i'm runnin debian squeeze and havin some troubles, it restarts all of the sudden
01:57<andersonbr>i got this log msgs : Nov 21 04:54:14 debian kernel: [ 20.917803] agpgart-via 0000:00:00.0: AGP 3.5 bridge
01:57<andersonbr>Nov 21 04:54:14 debian kernel: [ 20.917835] agpgart-via 0000:00:00.0: putting AGP V3 device into 8x mode
01:57<andersonbr>Nov 21 04:54:14 debian kernel: [ 20.917930] pci 0000:01:00.0: putting AGP V3 device into 8x mode
01:57<andersonbr>Nov 21 04:54:15 debian kernel: [ 22.044499] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
01:57<andersonbr>Nov 21 04:54:15 debian kernel: [ 22.177522] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
01:57<andersonbr>is it ralted?
01:57<nevyn>what's the stuff before the restart in the log?
01:57<nevyn>pastebin btw
01:57<nevyn>not here.
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02:00<andersonbr>nevyn, is it related?
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02:01<nevyn>please don't pm me.
02:01<cmr>andersonbr: That is *right* before the restart?
02:01<cmr>andersonbr: Which log is that from?
02:01<nevyn>please paste more including the restart line.
02:02<andersonbr>what do u mean by restart line?
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02:03<nevyn>when the system restarts the first thing the kernel does is write to the log "System Restart¨
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02:05<andersonbr>where's it?
02:05<cmr>andersonbr: I think you want to be looking at /var/log/syslog
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02:06<andersonbr>i could find it
02:07<INTERGALACTIC_COMMANDER>hi debianers, hw r u guys
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02:10<andersonbr>anyone could help me?
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02:13<nevyn>andersonbr: when you say it restarts... what EXACTLY happens?
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02:14<andersonbr>nevyn: well...just reboots...i hear a kinda click song and it restarts
02:14<nevyn>andersonbr: so it goes all the way back to the bios?
02:14<nevyn>and then you see grub and the kernel loading etc?
02:15<andersonbr>nevyn: yup...just like i had just turned on the pc
02:15<nevyn>andersonbr: so you need to go back in syslog to the point where the system rebooted.
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02:15<nevyn>this will be marked with a System Restart
02:15<nevyn>we need 15-20 lines before that.
02:15<nevyn>this will be hundreds of lines back in the syslog
02:16<nevyn>because linux startup is chatty.
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02:19<andersonbr>is it written "system restart"?
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02:21<bones_was_here>probably it should be "system reboot"
02:22<andersonbr>can't find any anyway
02:22<bones_was_here>but that will not be logged if the hardware resets unexpectedly
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02:24<nevyn>system start is logged as the first message by the kernel on bringup
02:24<nevyn>it doesn't rely on sensible messages on the way down.
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02:27<andersonbr>well...thz u all ...i can't find it right now, besides i must go to bed....but thx for helping me out dudes!
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02:27<andersonbr>i'll take care of it later
02:27<andersonbr>c y'all
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03:45<ayaka>somtimes rsyslog start very slowly,is there any problem?
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03:57<ayaka>jorge, hello
03:57<jorge>hello ayaka
03:57<jorge>i have a segmentation fault at empathy
03:57<jorge>i had traced it
03:57<jorge>what is the best way to notify it ?
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04:00<jm_>jorge: check BTS
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04:07<ayaka>onethings,jack is not a audio server what is it?
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04:08<nevyn>yes it is.
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04:11<mekt>What is a good source of information on using debootstrap --second-stage ?
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04:13<mekt>I don't know what it does.
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04:16<gnugr>mekt: read this it will help you " "
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04:27<benjr>how do i exit x server so i can install nvidia drivers?
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04:28<devil>benjr: why would you exit X to install those?
04:28<Sicelo>i wonder if u really need to exit
04:28<Sicelo>oh, devil ;)
04:28<benjr>ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before nstalling.
04:28<devil>benjr: how are you installing?
04:29<devil>using the nvidia blob?
04:29<benjr>just tried to run the .run file while im in xfce
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04:29<devil>then i am out. why not use apt-get?
04:30<benjr>devil, my cards been our for over a year and still no support for it in the version in apt-get
04:31<devil>benjr: i dont follow nvidia enough to know, but are you sure?
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04:32<benjr>yeah, the version in apt-get is 195, the version on nvidias page is 280
04:32<cmr>benjr: Could drop down to runlevel 1
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04:32<devil>benjr: the version apt gives me is: 280.13.really.275.36-1
04:33<devil>benjr: but that is sid. maybe look at backports. 195 is very old
04:33<benjr>oh thats weird, mine says 195.36.31-6
04:33<devil>benjr: as i sais, i am using sid
04:33<cmr>Not weird at all... there are different versions of debian you know :)
04:33<devil>so mine is more recent
04:34<devil>benjr: please look into backports
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04:34<benjr>judd says sid and weezy are 280, experiemental is 290
04:34<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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04:35<jm_>backports doesn't have it, you'll need to backport it yourself
04:35<benjr>jm_, can you refer me ot a page explaining how to do that?
04:35<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
04:36<jm_>benjr: see above
04:37<benjr>looks complex lol
04:37<benjr>!deb-src sid
04:37<dpkg>You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list.
04:37<jm_>it's relatively simple if it works without extra dependencies
04:38<devil>well, it could be a bit complicated for nvidia, but worth a try
04:39<devil>you probably need a more recent x-server with a newer nvidia driver
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04:40<benjr>yeah im not actually sure which specific packages i need, i just put nvidia in synaptic search to get that that version 195 reference
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04:41<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>.
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04:43<benjr>what does this build-essential doing?
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04:44<cmr>build-essential is make, gcc, etc. Everything you'd need to compile a package in the most basic case.
04:45<benjr>ah ok
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04:48<cmr>aptitude build-dep takes care of any of the other dependencies that the package would need.
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04:49<benjr>im upto that comand now, try to work out which package to use
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04:51<benjr>got this error, did i miss a step? "E: Build-Depends dependency for nvidia-graphics-drivers cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements"
04:52<damiano>is there anyone who uses skype on amd64 version?
04:52<damiano>cause i have a few things to report
04:53<damiano>almost everyone has those issues.
04:53<damiano>nevyn, did you have problems with skype crashing as it just starts up?
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04:54<damiano>and you're using amd64?
04:54<damiano>ok, which Debian distribution then?
04:54<damiano>ahhh... that explains it
04:54<damiano>though some people say it happens on Sid too.
04:54<damiano>but anyway.. it's probably a bit different.
04:54<damiano>nevermind then.
04:54<nevyn>it dies whenever pulseaudio restarts
04:54<nevyn>it's too stupid to reconnect to the pcm
04:54<nevyn>which is annoying
04:54<damiano>well yeah, pulseaudio works differently, it usually crashes with Alsa
04:55<damiano>but anyway, i solved the prob of crashing at startup by creating Logs folder. It never happens again.
04:55<anarxia>i am having problems with gnome in sid since yesterday. Modal dialogs either appear blank or not at all. What can I do?
04:55<damiano>but one more thing is still left. When the call is over by the other side it crashes too, but not always.
04:55<damiano>i mean i may come back, there are no people talking and no skype anymore
04:56<damiano>anarxia, you know, i can't help you with that, but if i got something like that i'd just use a good ol' windows approach.... re-install the whole shit. But it's not an advice, just saying what i'd do.
04:56<damiano>cause fixing things on linux can by quite tiresome
04:57<damiano>and usually with no success.
04:57<Bushmills>anarxia: one thing you could do would be to fix it
04:57<damiano>Bushmills, tell him HOW
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04:57<damiano>Bushmills, cause what you said could be worth a dollar each time you do it
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04:57<Bushmills>too late :P
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04:58<damiano>i guess he just took my advice.. which wasn't meant to be such.
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04:58<cmr>Might just be a bug in a recent update.
04:58<damiano>but i know no other way to solve global glitches.
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04:58<Bushmills>as general advice? something like "use your brain"
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05:00<zenios>Hi guys.There seems to be a problem with modal dialogs in debian sid after i upgrade.Every time a modal dialog is about to be shown it shows blank or nothing at all and the whole system stack.Any help?
05:00<Bushmills>zenios: try stable
05:00<cmr>or #debian-next
05:01<zenios>Bushmills, Thank you
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05:01<benjr>got this error, did i miss a step? "E: Build-Depends dependency for nvidia-graphics-drivers cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements"
05:01<jm_>benjr: which version of debhelper does it want?
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05:02<benjr>jm_, it doesnt say, thats all the error says, but i have 8.0.0 installed
05:02<jm_>benjr: try getting it from backports, almost the newest version is there
05:03<benjr>to do that i just do the same ssb instructions i was follwing for installed nvidia?
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05:05<benjr>ah nevermind i found a wiki page on backports
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05:10<laarmen>damiano: It does sound like an advice (and a preterition on top of that).
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05:10<benjr>ive done the "aptitude build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers" & "apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers" now its thrown me back to the prompt, how do i "install the resultant debs"?
05:10<damiano>laarmen, listen.. i just don't think he's ever gonna solve it. Just like i couldn't solve minor, pathetic but nevertheless unsolvable probs.
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05:11<damiano>laarmen, to resolve it you have to be one of the Linux and Gnome crew :)
05:11<laarmen>Or ask someone on the Gnome crew.
05:12<damiano>well yeah, but even they wouldn't tell you. But yet because they're all lazy there... just like on ALsa, PulseAudio and such..
05:12<damiano>if that was their prob they'd do it quickly
05:12<damiano>they never helped me with sound.
05:12<damiano>i solved it myself.
05:12<laarmen>I dunno. Last time I had a problem with Gnome, they found me a workaround within the hour :-)
05:12<damiano>with help of one guy who just assumed one of the solution, but he didn't know that was the case.
05:12<damiano>well.. you were lucky.
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05:13<cmr>damiano: That's what happens when your support is unpaid volunteers.
05:13<nevyn>hrm.. all problems are tractable. but you have to find the right volunteer
05:13<Nemoder_>benjr: dpkg -i thefile.deb
05:13<benjr>Nemoder_, one at a time for all 26 .deb's?
05:14<nevyn>or understand enough of how it all hangs together to go hunting yourself
05:14<nevyn>potentially into code.
05:14<Nemoder_>benjr: wow that's a lot of debs
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05:14<damiano>cmr, perhaps you're right.
05:14<laarmen>benjr: you can use shell expansion , like dpkg -i *.deb
05:14<damiano>cmr, that's why Linux is still not for normal users, but same volunteers ;)
05:14<damiano>volunteers develop, volunteers use.
05:15<cmr>damiano: tbh windows support generally isn't that much better, the problems just aren't as bad.
05:15<damiano>i feel like a crash test participant :)
05:15<laarmen>[nitpick] Actually, Linux itself is mainly developped by professionals
05:15<damiano>cmr, the problems in Windows are less ridiculous and more often resolvable.
05:15<nevyn>damiano: you're kidding right?
05:15<damiano>in linux you can have some totally stupid thing and you might never find a solution for it
05:15<damiano>nevyn, no, i'm not.
05:16<damiano>nevyn, i'm pretty much serious. I've used windows, and i could solve all the problems with it.
05:16<damiano>in linux.... uh-hah....
05:16<nevyn>how long have you used windows?
05:16<damiano>well.. for most of my life, haha :) Well, now i'm on Debian.
05:16<laarmen>damiano: just out of curiosity, what version of debian do you use ?
05:16<Nemoder_>can always hire a consultant
05:17<damiano>laarmen, stable. Squeeze.
05:17<damiano>what else would i use.
05:17<nevyn>damiano: and exactly how much time have you spent using Debian GNU/linux?
05:17<damiano>i don't think it matters.
05:17<damiano>but i'll tell you, for a couple of weeks.
05:17<laarmen>Yes, it does
05:17<damiano>nah, it doesn't. And you know why?
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05:17<damiano>because i had probs here, and NOONE could solve it. just NOBODY.
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05:18<damiano>and i still got one more left. And i won't ever solve it i think :)
05:18*nevyn wonders what damiano's problem was?
05:18<damiano>well... first i had probs with Alsa
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05:18<nevyn>what problem?
05:18<benjr>i got a pre-dependency error, do i need to build-dep and -b source for the package in this pre-dependency error too?
05:18<damiano>sound didn't mix. Everytime it could be taken over by some other app like Skype, Audacity, Wine etc
05:18<damiano>those progs would just just off anything
05:19<Zaba>damiano, that's right, alsa normally doesn't do mixing
05:19<damiano>i was messing with those asound.conf/asoundrc.conf things and it didn't do any good.
05:19<cmr>That is normal.
05:19<nevyn>Zaba: ootb it should do dmix
05:19<Zaba>damiano, you need a sound server (dmix counts as that)
05:19<nevyn>but the right answer is to use pulse (imnsho)
05:19<Zaba>damiano, and that's, uh, by design, lol
05:19<damiano>Zaba, right, that's what they told me many times) LIke turn dmix on :)
05:19<Zaba>damiano, and you don't have to tell _me_ that it's bad design, linus didn't want in-kernel mixing for some reason and now we all suffer
05:19<damiano>but.. it should work by default
05:19<nevyn>in kernel mixing is stupid
05:19<damiano>listen, you didn't let me finish
05:19<laarmen>Zaba: Wasn't ALSA supposed to be able to play multiple tracks at the same time ?
05:20<damiano>i wanna tell you how i fixed it
05:20<laarmen>(at first, of course.)
05:20<damiano>i have no probs with sound anymore.
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05:20<damiano>and i have the same version of Alsa
05:20<nevyn>dmix should mix ootb.
05:20<nevyn>you installed oss4?
05:20<damiano>nah :)
05:20<damiano>see? You wouldn't ever guess :)
05:20<Zaba>nevyn, in-kernel mixing is a natural thing to do if you want a kernel to abstract hardware..
05:20<damiano>i just compiled ALsa from sources, and it appears to be the same version. With one little difference: this way it WORKS!
05:21<nevyn>Zaba: the problem is it's a policy issue audio is becoming more complex and audio requirements are evolving
05:21<nevyn>Zaba: pulse is the right answer with a few implementation problems.
05:21<Zaba>nevyn, right, so provide a nice API to control the mixing that would work equally for both software and hardware mixing
05:21<nevyn>Zaba: nothing does hardware mixing it's a lie
05:21<nevyn>it's like cake
05:22<laarmen>cake ?
05:22<laarmen>I'm confused. Cake is a lie ? :P
05:22<Zaba>damiano, so, right, it happened to help you somehow.. and you didn't do much research afterwards, right
05:22<damiano>of course not!
05:22<damiano>how can i do it!?
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05:23<damiano>you want my head to explode or what
05:23<nevyn>damiano: so what's your final problem?
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05:23<damiano>nevyn, ok, CD/DVD drive behaves funny. In windows i don't have such prob.
05:23<Zaba>damiano, well, good point, seeing how it's alsa we're dealing with - but it could be that the problem is really pretty simple, too :P
05:23<damiano>it doesnt open some media FAST
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05:23<cmr>damiano: Which programs?
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05:23<Zaba>damiano, what's 'open'? What's 'media'?
05:24<damiano>CD/DVD drive
05:24<damiano>media = CD/DVD-R
05:24<damiano>it doesn't open some disks quickly, i have to wait, moreover it hangs up the whole system for a while
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05:24<damiano>it takes about 1 minute
05:24<Zaba>what does dmesg say?
05:24<damiano>ok, wait.
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05:25<Ru>Windows rulez
05:25<damiano>by the way, here's what i have with skype currently (one more little prob)
05:26<damiano>[ 87.724814] process `skype' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT
05:26<damiano>[15859.274196] operapluginwrap[7542]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007fff6a125a88 error 14 in operapluginwrapper-native[400000+3b000]
05:27<Zaba>those two lines are unrelated
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05:27<damiano>ah.. yes.
05:27<damiano>it's Opera
05:27<damiano>back to the drive
05:27<damiano>now i have to insert problematic media
05:27<damiano>which is not really. It's something about Debian.
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05:27<damiano>and get the error.
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05:28<benjr>how do i install these deb's and make them do the dependencies too? i run nvidia-glx is says it needs libgl1-nvidia-glx, i run that it says it needs nvidia-alternatives, that needs glx-alternative-nvidia ... is there a faster way instead of doing this?
05:28<damiano>even if i get it... how do i understand what the prob is? :) It's not human language.
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05:28<Zaba>pastebin dmesg output
05:28<damiano>ok, opening.
05:28<damiano>now i'm gonna get stuck for a minute
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05:28<damiano>i won't be able to write probably.
05:28<Zaba>damiano, how do you 'open' it, anyway?
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05:29<damiano>damn.. i don't open it, i just put the CD in.
05:29<damiano>from Nautilus
05:29<Zaba>and you have automatic mounting, right
05:29<damiano>no, it's disabled by now
05:29<damiano>but it didn't help.
05:29<damiano>now... look at this
05:30<damiano>i put it in....... but it hasn't stuck yet because now i have to go to Nautilus and click on the icon with CD. And as soon as i do it i get frozen temporarily.
05:30<damiano>and then it opens it up and i can do anything with it.
05:30<damiano>It reads it normally.
05:30<Zaba>and.. does dmesg say anything?
05:30<damiano>i opened it just fine.
05:30<damiano>let me check something...
05:31<damiano>dmesg said nothing.
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05:31<damiano>let me try another CD
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05:32<damiano>now it's.... so-so, but ok...
05:32<damiano>probably because i did something to Nautilus recently
05:32<damiano>i don't wait THAT long this time
05:32<damiano>it's almost perfect
05:32<damiano>let me show you what i did.
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05:36<benjr>how do i install these deb's and make them do the dependencies too? i run nvidia-glx is says it needs libgl1-nvidia-glx, i run that it says it needs nvidia-alternatives, that needs glx-alternative-nvidia, i dont have that do i build-dep and -b source it, now that needs glx-alternative ... is there a faster way instead of doing this?
05:36<benjr>that so i*
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05:38<benjr>its like these deb files cant see their dependencies that are in the same folder as them
05:38<damiano>gconftool-2 -s /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount_open -t bool false
05:38<damiano>gconftool-2 -s /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount -t bool false
05:38<damiano>gconftool-2 -s /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_autorun_never -t bool true
05:38<damiano>gconftool-2 -s /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible -t bool false
05:39<damiano>that's what i did to speed up the opening of the media.
05:39<damiano>it helped. Now it's "identified" faster
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05:39<damiano>but still... kinda slow.
05:39<damiano>but it was much worse.
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05:41<damiano>some disks are alright though.
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05:42<damiano>i mean.. it's not disks....
05:42<damiano>in windows it didn't matter. Maybe they have different headers or something.. i dunno
05:42<damiano>maybe my drive is not setup correctly...
05:42<damiano>and linux is more sensitive to it.. no ida
05:43<damiano>and it doesn't matter if some disks i burnt on a different drive and on my current. Absolutely doesn't.
05:43<damiano>some from different, some from present - same thing.
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05:46<damiano>16.575682] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\SECD.S_D1._STA] (Node ffff88011fada6c0), AE_NOT_EXIST
05:46<damiano>[ 16.575698] ACPI Error (uteval-0250): Method execution failed [\SECD.S_D1._STA] (Node ffff88011fada6c0), AE_NOT_EXIST
05:46<damiano>what's that?
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05:51<nevyn>that's your bios is buggy and crap.
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05:52<nevyn>it told linux to run some ACPI method if some event occured and then running the method failed
05:52<damiano>oh really.
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05:53<damiano>and what am i to do now?
05:53<nevyn>well you can ignore it. or mail it to lkml with this seems wierd (make sure your bios is current before doing this
05:54<nevyn>or bitch at your hardware vendor
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05:59<damiano>could you type me a private message?
05:59<damiano>and just using my nickname here.
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06:16<madduck>any hints for solving a problem on a system by which X aborts when I start iceweasel, play a video with vlc, but not when I start other windows, including other GTK windows?
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06:19<laarmen>madduck: Any hint from your .xsession-errors logs ?
06:21<madduck>firefox-bin: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.
06:21<madduck>2011/11/21-12:15:37 HUP'ing server
06:21<madduck>strace shows SIGABRT
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06:21<madduck>i suppose i can investigate this further…
06:22<babilen>madduck: I guess that you want to follow -- It is a bit of work but KiBi et al. will be happy. Which GPU is this and which driver do you use? Anything interesting in your Xorg.0.log?
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06:23<madduck>nothing in the Xorg log
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06:23<madduck>GPU is Radeon HD 4350 and I use the in-kernel driver
06:24<madduck>KMS, radeon/radeon
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06:24<madduck>linux kernel 3.1.0
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06:25<madduck>installing -dbg packages
06:25<babilen>madduck: Ok. Does it happen with 3.0.0 as well? But the best line of inquiry is probably still to run X in gdb and (if necessary) valgrind.
06:26<madduck>yes, 3.0.0 as well
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06:28<babilen>madduck: I haven't heard about that problem and it sounds as if you should file a bug report. By the way, we also have a #debian-next channel for wheezy/sid support and I probably don't have to tell you about #debian-x, but I guess that they want to see the backtrace as well. I certainly haven't heard of that particular problem before.
06:30<madduck>babilen: thanks.
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06:30<damiano>could anyone help me to write a proper line in fstab to automount partitions?
06:30<madduck>i will take this to debian-x, sure thing, but I wanted to ask here in case someone else knew what I was talking about
06:30<madduck>damiano: don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
06:30<damiano>isn't that what i did?
06:31<babilen>madduck: Sure, good luck!
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06:35<benjr>ok ive installed the nividia drivers from sid (i think), tried to fire up minecraft, it errors with, among other things "org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Could not init GLX"
06:35<babilen>benjr: Which version of Debian do you run and how did you install the drivers?
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06:36<benjr>babilen, i run squeeze and i installed it going by the guide through !ssb
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06:36<babilen>benjr: Which packages did you install? (i.e. what does "aptitude versions ~nnvidia" give you?)
06:37<babilen>benjr: →
06:37<babilen>benjr: Err, make that "aptitude versions ~i~nnvidia"
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06:38<jm_>benjr: did you build the nvidia kernel module?
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06:39<benjr>jm_, unless that's accomplished by build-dep, -b source, then installing each .deb, no
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06:40<madduck>damiano: you asked if someone could help you. just print the line you are using and state your problem.
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06:40<damiano>madduck, i want to automount partition in fstab
06:40<damiano>partition with windows
06:40<Hardhead>hello ppl
06:40<madduck>right, and what have you tried thus far?
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06:41<madduck>damiano: have you read man fstab?
06:41<Hardhead>does any1 user virtual machine manager
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06:41<madduck>Hardhead: what is any1 user? And the answer is probably yes.
06:41<jm_>benjr: well you have -glx package installed which depends on it
06:41<Hardhead>uses sorry
06:42<benjr>jm_, does that mean i have dont it, or i need to do it?
06:42<benjr>done it*
06:42<Hardhead>i have a error when trying to login to my machine
06:42<damiano>madduck, dunno what you mean
06:42<jm_>benjr: it should be installed: lsmod|grep nvidia
06:42<Hardhead>i have all packets installed but still nothing
06:42<Hardhead>no connection driver available for No connection for URI xen:///
06:42<Hardhead>Traceback (most recent call last):
06:42<Hardhead> File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/", line 1022, in _try_open
06:42<Hardhead> None], flags)
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06:43<madduck>damiano: damiano xserver-xorg-core-dbg
06:43<benjr>jm_, doesnt return anything, that cant be a good sign
06:43<jm_>benjr: really? doesn't it say 'installed' for nvidia-glx? (dpkg -s nvidia-glx)
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06:44<madduck>Hardhead: try the #virt channel
06:44<seeS>man that is some nic you got there
06:44<Bea>ke kiere
06:44<Bea>elk te explico
06:44<dpkg>ANFDRREARBNGVZBHJGSDFBNMCGKJVB, Bea: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
06:45<Bea>elk te explico
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06:47<jm_>benjr: ok what does this show? find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep nvid
06:47<benjr>just 2 lines, dont kick me bot :s
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06:50<damiano>GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; the most common cause is a missing or misconfigured D-Bus session bus daemon. See for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.)
06:50<damiano>what's that?
06:50<damiano>i get it when i run gedit from su
06:50<damiano>it works though, but leaves this thing
06:50<babilen>damiano: Run it with gksu/sux -- does it happen as well?
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06:50<damiano>let me try
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06:51<damiano>with gksu it says this: EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported
06:51<babilen>benjr: Anything in "dmesg|grep -i nvidia" that could enlighten us? What about your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? (you might want to paste that)
06:51<jm_>benjr: try dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
06:52<benjr>sorry i dont rerally know where to look without your guidance, i was just blidly follwoing a guide when i insyalled (or didnt install) it int he first place
06:53<benjr>dmesg|grep -i nvidia [ 1.891717] hda_intel: Disable MSI for Nvidia chipset
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06:55<babilen>benjr: And there you have your answer. Please provide headers for the .39 kernel as well.
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06:56<benjr>i think i might have got in over my head, im mostly just copy and pasting commands, i really only understand half of the words
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06:57<babilen>benjr: That is: You want to install either linux-headers-2.6-amd64 (metapackage) or linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 from backports. After you've completed the installation run the dpkg-reconfigure command jm_ gave you earlier.
06:58<benjr>ah ok
06:58<babilen>benjr: "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 && dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms"
07:00<benjr>looks good DKMS: install Completed.
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07:01<benjr>kernel stuff requires a reboot?
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07:02<McArcher>ATI AMD Catalys
07:02<McArcher>ATI AMD Catalyst
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07:03<damiano>anyone, write me a PM
07:03<damiano>need to check something
07:04<McArcher>can anyone remind Catalyst IRC channel ?
07:04<damiano>do it again please
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07:05<McArcher>is dpkg bot?
07:05<benjr>yes i think so
07:05<babilen>McArcher: Yes. Are you looking for #fglrx on
07:06<McArcher>yes. thanks. how can i write your name in chat? I am new to IRC...
07:06<babilen>!tell McArcher -about irc tutorial
07:07<babilen>McArcher: "bab<TAB>" should work. (nickname tab-completion)
07:07<McArcher>babilen, ok, ty
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07:12<McArcher>can anyone tell why i see a slideshow after installing atalyst 11.11 on Debian 6 (amd64) ?
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07:15<devil>McArcher: you probably want fglrx.
07:15<devil>hm, cant believe, i said that
07:15<devil>McArcher: noone here can support catalyst
07:17<McArcher>is fglrx and Catalyst not the same?
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07:18<devil>McArcher: fglrx is in the debian repos. i guess you installed a blob from ATI
07:18<ada>you can you for 3d
07:18<McArcher>i installed .run from AMD's site
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07:19<McArcher>that was a mistake?
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07:19<devil>McArcher: thats catalyst. the debian package iscalled fglrx
07:19<devil>McArcher: supportwise it was a mistake, yes
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07:19<McArcher>how can i deinstall that .run ? :(
07:19<devil>but other than that, they are mostly both broken
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07:20<devil>McArcher: it should have a de-install routine
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07:20<devil>that said, i admit, i never owned a ATI card
07:20*devil softly retreats
07:21<McArcher>where should i look for deinstall routine? sorry, I a noob
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07:23<Sicelo>deinstall for what?
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07:23<Sicelo>look for the package in Synaptic, else dpkg -r <package> in terminal as root
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07:24<devil>Sicelo: catalyst!
07:24<melmothX>McArcher: /usr/share/ati
07:24<melmothX>there's a which will wipe it out
07:24<devil>Sicelo: how would dpkg know about that?
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07:24<McArcher>/usr/share/ati/ ?
07:25<McArcher>or /usr/share/ati/ ?
07:25<devil>the latter
07:25<Sicelo>sorry. just reading backlog. thought he just wanted to remove a package.. hence my question
07:25<devil>Sicelo: he does
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07:25<devil>Sicelo: it was just not installed through the package management
07:26<McArcher>yes. it was installed from .run
07:26<Sicelo>i get the point. once again, sorry folks
07:26<benjr>babilen, jm_ i think its working now dmesg|grep -i nvidia says NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 275.36, and my screen resolution has been changed, for some strange reason i cant change my resolution to what my monitor supports
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07:27<devil>benjr: what does glxinfo | grep -i direct say?
07:28<jm_>benjr: x ogfile will give you some details of what has been detected etc.
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07:28<McArcher>so, if i understand correctly, after deinstallation and rebbot, i shout search for fglrx package and install it, right?
07:29<babilen>!tell McArcher -about fglrx dkms
07:29<devil>benjr: its not working yet
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07:29<devil>babilen: nvidia-glx is installed?
07:29<dpkg>Slink (Debian GNU/Linux 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <slink->potato>. Get old slink ISOs here:
07:30<McArcher>babilen, ty
07:31<AgentC>:=) no support hm ? ;-)
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07:31<devil>AgentC: you must be joking
07:31<benjr>devil, i think it is
07:32<AgentC>devil: yep :) have 10 cdroms of that old version here incl. m68k support ;)
07:32<devil>benjr: please pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:33<AgentC>devil: mv cdroms trashcan/
07:33<benjr>devil, woah this files massive, 1832 lines
07:33<devil>AgentC: keep them for sentimental reasons
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07:34<devil>benjr: thats why you use a pastebin :)
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07:35<devil>benjr: if you'd paste it here, you'd be banned for ever and 3 lives :)
07:35<devil>lifes even
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07:36<benjr>is that a normal size for the log or does its mere size imply an issue?
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07:38<babilen>benjr: Did you configure Xorg to use the nvidia driver? (As, for example, detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms") If not: Which horrible tutorial did you follow?
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07:38<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
07:38<devil>benjr: that logsize is normal
07:38<benjr>i just did what that says
07:39<devil>babilen: i think, nouveau is getting in the way. does it need to be blacklisted manualy? i thought, nvidia did that
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07:40<benjr>added some lines to sources.list, build-dep, -b source, dpkg -i, and then dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
07:40<babilen>devil: It should be blacklisted (after a reboot), but I also suspect that benjr did not configure Xorg to actually use nvidia.
07:40<benjr>havnt configured anyhting for xorg
07:41<babilen>benjr: Ok, please run "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" and reboot.
07:41<devil>benjr: did you set a xorg.conf snippet for it?
07:41<devil>ah, babilen was faster
07:41<benjr>devil, the only things ive done is exactly what i typed before, just those few lines
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07:41<devil>benjr: follow what babilen just wrote
07:42<devil>that'll create the xorg.conf snippet thats needed
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07:42<jm_>you don't need to reboot
07:43<babilen>jm_: It is necessary to blacklist nouveau
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07:44<benjr>glxinfo | grep -i direct, looks more promising
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07:44<babilen>benjr: Please paste "glxinfo |grep -i render" -- Just checking for direct rendering is not enough.
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07:44<benjr>oh sorry
07:45<babilen>(or the complete glxinfo output)
07:45<jm_>babilen: are you saying it doesn't support module unloading?
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07:45<babilen>jm_: It is also used by KMS
07:45<mmas>oi como vai
07:45<babilen>benjr: yeah, that looks fine. Do you have any issues now?
07:46<mmas>litle beat
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07:46<mmas>como vai artista
07:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:46<benjr>babilen, looking good, my resolution is back to what it should be, and the only thing i have to test the 3d (minecraft) is runing smoothly
07:47<babilen>ELANG :)
07:47<mmas>how was the week end
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07:47<benjr>babilen, this might be off topic, but how do i make sure that my video card is going my video decoding too when i play vidoes?
07:47<benjr>doing my*
07:47<babilen>mmas: This is a technical support channel for Debian users. If you are looking for a chat channel use a different network or "/join #moocows"
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07:48<babilen>benjr: No idea. What makes you think that it is isn't used right now?
07:49<jm_>babilen: I don't use KMS so I don't know how that affects unloading
07:49<benjr>babilen, oh i have no way to tell, ive just never had a vidoe card that could do video decoding before and i wanted to egt one for this build
07:49<jm_>benjr: you need software that support vaapi
07:50<jm_>benjr: uhm that's vdpau for nvidia, not vaapi
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07:51<benjr>ah i installed the libvdpau1 and nvidia-vdpau-driver packages :)
07:51<babilen>And the packages are installed
07:52<benjr>jm_, babilen devil, thanks for the help all of you
07:52<jm_>benjr: mplayer from dmm should have vdpau support
07:52<benjr>whats was the benfit of doing it this was as opposed to just running the files you nvidia's website?
07:52<benjr>this way*
07:52<devil>benjr: this way you have support
07:52<babilen>benjr: We support it
07:52<AgentC>devil: I tried slink 1999 on an amiga 1200/030 , that was running pretty nice, without x, but everything was working as aspected
07:53<AgentC>devil: is there also a squeeze m68k version ? ;-)
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07:53<benjr>ah, so if i ran that file and had this same issues youd just tell me to goto #nvidia? lol
07:53<AgentC>devil: and whats about amiga one ? :-) (power-PC)
07:54<benjr>fair enough, glad i had support :)
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07:54<devil>AgentC: dont ask me :)
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07:56<AgentC>devil: i was thinking about a minimal platform with atmel mega (atmega) processor to run a linux in an embedded environmen ... a little linux i think there is not much hardware required, only thin that drivers for v-hdd support must be selfprogrammed, is there perhaps an introducion for debian to use on minimal embedded systems ?
07:57<AgentC>devil: i was thinking at devices like routerboxes or other dedicated system-boxes !? have you experience with crosscompiling ?
07:57<devil>AgentC: you want tolook at embedian
07:58<devil>and you are OT
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07:59<AgentC>devil: really? there'S a group for hw/linux devel ?
08:00<AgentC>devil: here on this irc server?
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08:00<devil>AgentC: i have no idea, its not my cup of tea
08:00<devil>just know, it exists
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08:03<AgentC>devil: i think so too, cause linux kernel is mostly portable, the little part of unportable code minimize the work to get linux work on other systems. why not on embedded atmega processors. so slow as it sounds they arent.
08:05<AgentC>devil: slink did run on a 50 MHz 68030 processor stable, why not on a 6510 ;-) hehe (smile) ;)
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08:08<AgentC>devil: think of the first pc-emulators on amiga, to startup a win95 there were 2501 cups of tea to wait. interessting was, on timezoom, you can see any graphical error while building the screen up, so i saw truely MICROSOFT suxx ;-)
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08:10<AgentC>devil: tell me, would a debian squeeze compiled for m68k run? or would it be too slow out of much extensions within the last 10 years ?
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08:44<Zap-W>how do I get only the debian patches for kernel source, and apply them to the original kernel instead of d/l a pre patched debianized linux kernel source
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08:45<Zap-W>In sort I want to see the debian patches
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08:51<AgentC>nevyn: what is woody ?
08:51<nevyn>AgentC: release before squeeze
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08:52<nevyn>or was sarge before squeeze
08:52<Zaba>er, no, release before squeeze is lenny.
08:52<nevyn>then etch then sarge then woody
08:53*nevyn is an old fart
08:53<nevyn>woody seems like just yesterday
08:53<eightyeight>hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy
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08:54<dvs>no bo?
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08:57*nevyn didn't use hamm or slink
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08:57<nevyn>I started with frozen potato
08:58<eightyeight>i started with potato as well
08:58*dvs started with bo
08:58<eightyeight>aug 2001
08:59*nevyn was a little before that.
08:59<nevyn>`99 or so.
08:59<eightyeight>i was on red hat during that time. :S
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09:00<dvs>I tried Red Hat but couldnt stick with it
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09:00<bjb>I left Red Hat when they dropped sparc support
09:00*nevyn ran from rh5 to debian potato
09:00<eightyeight>it lasted 2 years for me. been on debian since, although i did the ubuntu song and dance from 2004-2006
09:00<bjb>since then I went to intel but kept Debian
09:00<nevyn>man this was before stuff like redhatprovides
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09:00<nevyn>it was pain
09:01<nevyn>and rpm's depended on files and stuff
09:01<nevyn>because they were being halfassed about packages still
09:01<eightyeight>still are
09:01*eightyeight digresses
09:01<nevyn>you can use them or not up to you if you're a solaris refugee you can build your own libc and packages will still work
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09:06*nevyn graphed the dependancies of suse with graphviz the other day
09:06<nevyn>it was insane
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09:22<AgentC>nevyn: do you remember PTS linux ? an old dist like slink ? it was simple to install for that time
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09:22*nevyn remembers monolithic install tarballs
09:22<AgentC>never saw any newer dist in case of that name
09:23<nevyn>so you dumped it on a filesystem and ran lilo and then just booted it
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09:34<AgentC>nevyn: usefull i found, there is a kind of diskeditor for harddrives, you can install it on a floppy bootable and then show the contents of a physical harddrive sector by sector, edit, copy, paste, load/save sectors (512byte) and so on, including partition editor and editor for filesystem allocation tables like msdos/fat32 , thats usefull if a fs-partition was broken ...
09:34<nevyn>man it's so long since I've needed to work at that level.
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09:35<AgentC>nevyn: but is it as old that it is not bootable by usb
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09:36<AgentC>yeah i know, but really it is good to have such tools and the kownledge to do, cause its sometimes the only way to rescue broken things in case of hdd-crashs
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09:36<AgentC>mostly there are good repairtools for most fs-systems, but not anytime for everything
09:36<jhutchins_lt>... which is why we make backups.
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09:37<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: me too, i store by dd the hole partitionblock, sometimes hole disk.
09:38<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Norton Disk Doctor - may still be available from Symantec, commercial.
09:38<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Don't know of an equivalent for Linux.
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09:38<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: On the other hand, a binary editor should be able to treat the disk like a file.
09:39<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: btw, could you name me a bin-editor /hexedit with x86 asm disassebler like HIEW (hackers view) for linux ?
09:40<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: Sorry, no.
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09:43<PuerScyphu> Create your own unique T-SHIRT.In our website you can upload your image and create your own design and order the product you made
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09:43<AgentC>me and an old friend was working 1999 on an own OS called hyperOS, complete programmed in assembler as half-finished it is. it was bootable with all c-basic functions like printf etc., devicedrivers were not present cause we breaked the developement (too much work), but it was a nice learning-experience. i think on such a small basesystem it would be possible to create a basic-repair system like diskeditors
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09:44<LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa>hola contestarç
09:44<LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa>estais ahi
09:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:45<Samkov>I was wondering if anyone knew of any bluetooth usb adapters that work out of the box with squeeze?
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09:45<nevyn>Samkov: they're class compliaint hardware (ie they just work) aiui
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09:47<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: maybe it should be used to create a small rescue system, would be good, then the much work wasnt for nothing. hos contains a memorymanagement (flatmodel) incl. relocation for loaded modules, drivers , programs etc, all in protected mode with A20 gate enabled.
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09:48<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: i have a archivebackup of the sources here, can be used for free by anyone. as i sad, it was for us two just a learning project (cachekerneldesign).
09:49<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: maybe, you know simon hausmann (tronical) , he is in the KDE developer-group
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09:49<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: but i didnt heart about him since long time ....
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09:50<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: you could look at posting it as a project on
09:52<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: yea i should do, to beware of datalost when i die ;-)
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09:52<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: is there any assembler witch can assemble old TASM 5.0 sources ?
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09:53<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: I know many old languages have been ported to emulators in Linux, but I am not a coder and do not know any such details.
09:53<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: in that time we used 4dos-batches, an own make-processor and an own linker (PLINK, made in C)
09:53<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: ok
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09:54<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: I can do a pretty smooth run of code for an IBM System 370 in assembler, but all I do on PC's is scripting.
09:54<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: would you like to take a look to the sources for short look ?
09:54<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: It seems like some snooping around and might be fun for you.
09:55<jhutchins_lt>AgentC: No. I do not do PC code.
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09:56<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: i know sourceforge : see this one is an allsystem-compatible porting-library of me ;) also not finished, but a good source-bibliothek for many things, also graphic functions with virtual screen and sprite support :)
09:57<AgentC>was much wok
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09:57<AgentC>jhutchins_lt: freashmeat i didnt known, what is it ?
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09:58<Chipzz>freshmeat is no more btw
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09:58<Chipzz>it got a new name
09:59<Chipzz>freecode it appears
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10:01<LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa>my friend is maria jose
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10:02<LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa>and you
10:02<Dennis>cool :)
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10:02<LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa>:) :(
10:02<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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10:03<jhutchins_lt>Chipzz: Ah, thanks for that.
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10:04<devil>LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa: this is support, not jadda jadda
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10:05<devil>LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa: you are in the wrong channel.
10:05<LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa>any idea
10:05<devil>LuCiA_CaLlAtE_La_BoCa: go away.
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10:21<amoe>hey, I am setting up a headless server using wifi (unavoidable in my situation) and ifupdown. The network connection seems to drop after a few days, and the machine doesn't come back onto the network. Is it likely that using network-manager instead of ifupdown would help with this?
10:22<amoe>I am going to try it and see, but just wondering if anyone had any tips first.
10:23<amoe>It's not a critical server so brief outages of network access are acceptable, as long as it comes back up within a few minutes.
10:23<nevyn>nm is likely to make that situation more painful.
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10:23<nevyn>have a cronjob that checks for network connectivity and tries to bring the nic up if pinging the router fails?
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10:24<amoe>nevyn: I tried that before, though not on a Debian machine, and it seemed to degrade the NIC. I don't know why.
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10:25<amoe>nevyn: I went through two wifi NICs in about 6 months doing that. Could have been coincidence though, and that was on netbsd as well.
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10:26<laarmen>amoe: Have you tried wicd ?
10:27<amoe>laarmen: no, I haven't used it. I will give it a shot.
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10:31<amoe>hey Sunshine
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10:35<AgentC>asulil: Hi ? are you online ? why dont you use winson as your nick anymore ?
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10:37<asulil>AgentC: Hi my Friend
10:37<asulil>how are you?
10:37<AgentC>asulil: let's talk in privat chat, moment
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10:53<vrkalak>question to any Devs here: when building an .iso file with a 'Live' feature ... is the Live kernel built on an internal virtual platform?
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11:01<Guest17789>nickname who-want-to-hack-my-network
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11:03<babilen>vrkalak: That very much sounds as if you want to ask in #debian-live (that is if you use "lh" or "live-build")
11:03<jhutchins_lt>amoe: I use n-m and my connection periodically drops and has to be re-established manually. I would recommend using a cron job as suggested before.
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11:04<jhutchins_lt>amoe: It would not have any effect on the duraability of the hardware, except that the hardware would be expected to be in use 100% of the time. If it were not durable enough to handle that it might fail, but that's what you want anyway, so it's a matter of getting better hardware.
11:04<jhutchins_lt>amoe: Better hardware might also be less likely to drop the connection, although it could as easily be the router's fault as the NIC's.
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11:10<vrkalak>thanks, babilen I'll check out the #debian-live channel
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11:14<amoe>jhutchins_lt: thanks for the experience, I will give the cronjob another shot. I'm pretty sure the NICs I was using were fairly shoddy, so that could well be it.
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11:24<damiano>is there any good graphic viewer/editor for linux?
11:25<damiano>cause i either get viewers with limited functions or heavy editors..
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11:25<Zaba>I find feh sufficient for viewing purposes and gimp sufficient for editing purposes, but I don't do much of either
11:25<laarmen>What do you want to edit ? Text ?
11:25<damiano>no, size mostly
11:25<damiano>i need some handy tool like ACDSee in windows. Sorry for refference.
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11:26<damiano>photoxx is something similar, but it has some negative points.
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11:27<damiano>gimp is too heavy to edit photos.
11:27<damiano>i need a combined thing..
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11:27<damiano>like viewer and fast editor to change the size of the picture.
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11:29<laarmen>damiano: What is your desktop environment ?
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11:30<laarmen>I have never tried it, but it seems that fotoxx might suit your needs.
11:32<laarmen>BTW, a simple research on could have given you that name :)
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11:59<jhutchins_lt>damiano: You might find imagemagick to be exactly what you need if you can get around not having a GUI.
12:00<jhutchins_lt>damiano: I don't see what's wrong with gnome for editing though.
12:00<damiano>i seen it...
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12:00<damiano>it was too... limited i think. But i'll try, thanks.
12:01<ml|>imagemagick is a great tool; does a ton of stuff
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12:02<damiano>ok, i'll give it a shot :)
12:03<damiano>i can't find it
12:03<damiano>i did run it once, but i don't remember how and where from
12:03<jhutchins_lt>The only image editor I've seen that's less "limited" than gimp is professional Photoshop.
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12:08<mercutio22>where do I find startup-apps in gnome3?
12:10<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: You might check in #debian-next
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12:11<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: ok.. thanks
12:11<damiano>jhutchins, Photoshop is even more bloated. It's a special kinda tool, not "quickie photo chop" thing
12:11<damiano>but that's the point, i don't need less limited thing, i need MORE limited thing to make it faster
12:12<damiano>but not just plain viewer
12:12<jhutchins_lt>damiano: Do you have a marginal system that can't handle image editing in gimp?
12:12<damiano>no, but i can't use gimp as a viewer
12:12<damiano>and i wanted two-in-one thing
12:13<damiano>like fotoxx... but it's a bit... weird. But anyway....
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12:13<damiano>i can't run imagemagick.. where is it?
12:14<sney>it was replaced by graphicsmagick a few years ago
12:14<damiano>let me see
12:14<sney>and it isn't installed by default, you will need to install it
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12:14<jhutchins_lt>Why can't you use gimp as a viewer?
12:15<jhutchins_lt>,versions imagemagick
12:15<judd>Package: imagemagick on i386 -- lenny-security: 7:; lenny: 7:; squeeze: 8:; wheezy: 8:; sid: 8:
12:15<damiano>alright, thanks
12:15<damiano>i have imagemagick installed, but i can't run it
12:15<damiano>i dunno where it is
12:15<f8l>damiano: It's a set of programs.
12:15<MrFrood>there is no "imagemagick" command
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12:15<jhutchins_lt>damiano: Start with the docs. It's not a gui program, it's a set of cli tools.
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12:16<MrFrood>and jhutchins_lt beat me to the next line
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12:19<damiano>i think i found something suitable..
12:19<damiano>i'll try it out
12:20<damiano>and gThumb
12:20<damiano>looks like nice thing
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12:20<damiano>yes, gThumb is just a right thing.
12:20<damiano>thanks for assistance
12:20<damiano>i'll try imagemagick too
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12:22<MrFrood>damiano: 'display image_name" will show an image (display is one of the tools provide by imagemagick) - that said I normally use the program feh to view images
12:23<damiano>oh nooooo....
12:23<damiano>i installed it.....
12:23<damiano>and it deleted lots of my programs...
12:23<damiano>now.. what the hell for..... whyyy//
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12:24<tatie>hello can someone help me with XFCE Thunar and samba
12:24<sney>damiano: this is why we look at the list of what apt is going to do before saying Y
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12:25<tatie>i've followed these instructions:
12:25<damiano>sney, well.. .this time i installed it from Software Center, but usually i don't do it!!!
12:25<damiano>just because there was a list of things i could choose from
12:25<tatie>i am not sure what i am doing wrong,
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12:26<tatie>thunar doesn't give permission to my user to mnake a shared folder
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12:27<damiano>hah... it deleted all standard games for some reason..
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12:27<damiano>actually, i didn't delete anything i needed
12:27<damiano>it's still weird
12:27<Gregor3000>is usershare supposed to be username?
12:28<Hydroxide>hey, anyone know what the magic trick is to get an Intel 82577LM gigabit ethernet chip working in squeeze? the e1000e module loads and recognizes it but the link is never ready even after bringing the interface up.
12:28<damiano>and mostly surprisingly.. it deleted Software Center while i was still inside
12:28<damiano>oh well.. whatever.
12:30<damiano>i need that program anyway.
12:30<Hydroxide>damiano: you can reinstall software center.
12:31<damiano>i did already
12:31<damiano>also, Mirage is just a fine thing too.
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12:31<damiano>actually.. i should've installed Mirage at once... maybe it wouldn't delete stuff.
12:31<damiano>it's lighter and faster
12:32<damiano>and does the stuff too.
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12:33<XeonBloomfield>If someone want multi-core compression with tar
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12:34<XeonBloomfield>checkout my wrappers:
12:34<jhutchins_lt>XeonBloomfield: That kind of thing is more appropriate to the mailing list than to IRC.
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12:35<XeonBloomfield>jhutchins_lt: if someone will be interested, will check
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12:38<damiano>i've found what it has removed
12:38<damiano>for some reason.
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12:42<spacemouse>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. What advantages are there than Debian GNU/Linux, or if I have to ask should I definitely use Linux? I hear Squeeze is a technology preview for this port?
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12:43<vrkalak>i have built a debian from a net.install [snapshot] ... has nothing but a debian-base, xorg-system-core, fluxbox-wm and xterm (the only few apps i have are cli-apps) ... question is: i'm not using a stable wired-connection but want to connect via wireless/wifi
12:44<vrkalak>how do i do that without first having a connection?
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12:46<spacemouse>vrkalak: i think you need the wireless-tools package?
12:46<sney>vrkalak: figure out what your wifi hardware is, and install what you need to get it going. most wifi stuff is short on dependencies and can be downloaded on another system from on another system if needed
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12:47<vrkalak>sney: download what i need on another OS - save to flash-drive - then install in the new OS (sounds right?)
12:47<sney>vrkalak: yes
12:48<vrkalak>thanks guys . . .
12:48<spacemouse>vrkalak: lspci -nn to find out your wireless hardware
12:48<vrkalak>ahh . . .
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12:51<spacemouse>the encrypted LVM install that you can do when running the installer for stable. is that LUKS?
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12:53<damiano>tell me, why do i have a network icon in tray that shows that i have no network connection?
12:53<damiano>i got it after this.... re-installation stuff...
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12:55<spacemouse>damiano: you still get the icon even if you dont have the driver(s) loaded
12:55<damiano>well, before there was a socket with a wire plugged-in. Now it's two computers..
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13:19<bet0C>anyone know the output ::1:25 , after executing netstat -tunap
13:20<bet0C>is localhost ipv6?
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13:21<cthuluh>well... ::1 is localhost
13:21<jordanm>bet0C: that is the ipv6 equiv of
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13:23<bet0C>jordanm: thanks
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13:30<EmleyMoor>When installing nvidia-kernel-dkms, what exactly should I install to get round the error "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed."?
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13:31<Torsten_W>install the kernel-headers for your running kernel
13:31<rss>EmleyMoor, At least install kernel headers
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13:31<EmleyMoor>rss: They are installed...
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13:32<EmleyMoor>rss: Getting that message despite the presence of the relevant headers package
13:32<rss>EmleyMoor, Hmm, I was not aware that actual source was needed. I do not personally use nvidia at the moment. try installing the kernel source
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13:33<Torsten_W>not needed
13:33<Torsten_W>headers are enougth for building the nvidia-module
13:33<rss>Torsten_W, explain to EmleyMoor please
13:33<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, paste uname -a && ls -al /lib/modules
13:33<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: So, what is it that I am actually missing if it's not the headers?
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13:35<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, please paste ls -al /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
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13:36<damiano>you again!!
13:36<damiano>will that guy stop ruining my chatbox?!
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13:36<damiano>do something about him
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13:37<steinex>damiano: you know /ignore, do you?
13:37<damiano>it wouldn't help, it's his nickname
13:37<damiano>it stretches my nickname panel
13:37<steinex>ignore his nickname, then?
13:37<damiano>would i not see it?
13:37<EmleyMoor>ls -al /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
13:37<damiano>how do i remove network notification?
13:38<steinex>damiano: depends on client of course, but you can usually ignore nick/ident/host, yes.
13:38<damiano>i need only network monitor
13:38<damiano>i mean it shows that i'm not connected for some reason
13:38<damiano>but it's on actually
13:38<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, there is missing the link build with target /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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13:42<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: Right - now gettitg a different error
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13:44<EmleyMoor>make.log shows: Makefile:287: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo.2-common/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory
13:45<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, you have not the right headers installed, i would say
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13:46<rss>EmleyMoor, What version of debian are you running? it should be squeeze. are you running a stock kernel or some other debian derivative?
13:46<EmleyMoor>Ah, you could well be right...
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13:46<EmleyMoor>squeeze, bpo kernel
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13:46<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, that's the reason, why the symlink was not in /lib/modules/$(uname-r)
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13:46<rss>EmleyMoor, what is bpo? is there a bpo kernel headers package?
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13:47<EmleyMoor>rss: I had not installed all the necessary packages - doing so now...
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13:47<rss>EmleyMoor, what is bpo?
13:47<EmleyMoor>rss: And yes, they match - it's backports
13:48<rss>EmleyMoor, OK backports makes sense
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13:48<EmleyMoor>(need newer kernel to be able to record sound - standard squeeze one just gives hiss when recording)
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13:50<rss>EmleyMoor, what are you recording?
13:51<rss>EmleyMoor, what are your recording with?
13:51<EmleyMoor>rss: audacity but anything else was the same
13:52<EmleyMoor>Still can't build... /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/195.36.31/build/nv-linux.h:22:28: error: linux/autoconf.h:
13:52<EmleyMoor>No such file or directory
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13:52<rss>EmleyMoor, what input are you using? and which backend? alsa / pulse / jack?
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13:53<EmleyMoor> - nvidia make.log
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13:53<EmleyMoor>rss: Line in, alsa. Mixer lacked controls with old kernel, much better with new
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13:55<rss>EmleyMoor, have you tried making alsa modules for your kernel from source
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13:55<EmleyMoor>rss: Yes - it was a disaster - hanging the machine
13:56<EmleyMoor>rss: With the backported kernel, it works
13:56<rss>EmleyMoor, OK that rules out that option then.
13:57<EmleyMoor>Need to get nvidia modules built somehow
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13:59<rss>EmleyMoor, I understand. I'm not a nVidia user and do not personally run squeeze on a box that needs sound. Maybe the nVidia users can help out here. I use jackd for all my audio input and output
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14:01<rss>EmleyMoor, You could try to install the bpo kernel source
14:01<damiano>do you know any desktop gadgets showing CPU job and stuff?
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14:01<EmleyMoor>I've just mailed the backports list, but if anyone can advise why I'm still not managing to build nvidia modules, that would be good
14:01<rss>EmleyMoor, unless you are really running low on disk space. A full recompile should not then be necessary
14:02<EmleyMoor>rss: I actually doubt it will help but I am happy to try it
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14:03<rss>EmleyMoor, with kernel source installed and module installer maybe installing nvidia modules without dkms could work
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14:05<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... might see if I can work that way...
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14:07<rss>EmleyMoor, on my sid box that would be m-a a-i install module you do need a modules build package but that may be available check /usr/src
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14:07<EmleyMoor>It looks like autoconf.h is not in the headers from backports
14:07<rss>EmleyMoor, where module = alsa or some other module
14:07<EmleyMoor>rss: alsa is no longer a problem to me
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14:08<EmleyMoor>rss: Unless I go back to the stable kernel, that is
14:08<rss>EmleyMoor, I understand that is is an example for you possible m-a a-i nvidia ?
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14:10<rss>Torsten_W, do you have any thoughts on EmleyMoorś problem?
14:10<Torsten_W>i don't know, which driver version should be installed
14:11<rss>Torsten_W, MAybe EmleyMoor should say ;)
14:11<EmleyMoor>If there's anything I can say, I'd like to know what form it takes
14:12<rss>EmleyMoor, what version of the nVidia drivers are you trying to install?
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14:13<rss>EmleyMoor, thanks Torsten_W does that info help?
14:13<EmleyMoor>And no, I can't build with module-assistant either
14:13<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, which header-packages you have installed?
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14:14<rss>afk going shopping for some beer
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14:15<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo.2-common and -amd64,
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14:16<EmleyMoor>They appear to lack autoconf.h - so they actually appear to be the source of my problem at this point
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14:20<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, are this 2 packages the only 2 aviable header-packages?
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14:23<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: ... for that version of the kernel, yes.
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14:23<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, i'm asking, because autoconf.h is normaly in linux-headers-$(uname -r) and then in /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/generated/autoconf.h
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14:24<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: A search for files like it on pdo shows that the file is absent in the headers for that kernel version
14:24<EmleyMoor>(yet present in those for squeeze's standard kernel)
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14:25<EmleyMoor>It's the path ending "linux/autoconf.h" that's missing
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14:26<EmleyMoor>It is in fact in include/generated...
14:26<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, use a newer driver
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14:26<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, a newer driver will search in the new path
14:27<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: No newer driver yet available to me
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14:27<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, no one sayes, that this old driver works with this relative new kernel-version
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14:28<rss>back from shopping
14:28<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, so i would say, you have 2 choices, use stable with the old kernel or update to testing
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14:29<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: I don't want to update to testing and need my sound card to work. I have mailed the backports list - one person says "backport of nvidia driver in preparaion", another says "the existing one should work" - now I know which is right...
14:30<rss>EmleyMoor, I agree the driver in prep seems that way to go for you. Why don't you want to use wheezy?
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14:31<EmleyMoor>rss: Because it is not my policy with this machine to stray far from stable until at least the freeze
14:32<Torsten_W>EmleyMoor, 195.36.31 is mor than 1 year old, this driver will never work with a 2.6.39 kernel
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14:33<EmleyMoor>The new driver was supposed to hopefully be available over the weekend - it hasn't happened yet...
14:33<rss>EmleyMoor, OK, fair enough. but backports is pretty bleeding edge in that regard. Using the old kernel is likely the only option for you then. What does an alsa build with the module installer do for you?
14:33<EmleyMoor>rss: Hangs machine on boot.
14:34<rss>EmleyMoor, Ouch
14:34<rss>EmleyMoor, is changing to jackd an option?
14:35<EmleyMoor>rss: Had to use grml to break the drivers out of the loop to roll back!
14:35<EmleyMoor>rss: jackd still needs drivers to work over, does it not?
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14:36<rss>EmleyMoor, Yes, jack does. but maybe the hiss is not related to the kernel but the manner in which inputs are connected.
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14:37<rss>EmleyMoor, possibly an open microphone that is also recording.
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14:37<EmleyMoor>rss: The hiss is related to the fact that alsa as supplied with the kernel does not properly support the sound card. No open microphone present. Evidence: mixer has far too few controls.
14:38<EmleyMoor>rss: It's a steady white noise I get if I record
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14:40<rss>EmleyMoor, I understand. OK as Torsten_W says either use the squeeze kernel and fix ALSA or wait for the nVidia package for your relatively recent kernel.
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15:20<djura-san>I have issues with hostname. A few weeks ago it changed to dhcppp0 and i'm unable to change hostname. I tried to change /etc/hostname, to type "hostname my_new_hostname" but noi luck
15:20<djura-san>it just breaks my current session
15:20<djura-san>what to do?
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15:20<sney>sounds like the dhcp server is forcing you to have a specific hostname
15:21<sney>there is probably an option for dhclient to disallow this
15:21<sney>I don't know what the option is but that's where you should start searching
15:21<djura-san>i se
15:21<djura-san>sney: okay, thank you for hint
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15:26<rss>System: Host bran Kernel 3.1.0-1.dmz.2-liquorix-686 i686 (32 bit)
15:26<rss> Desktop Enlightenment 0.16.999.65346 Distro Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid
15:26<rss>Machine: System Hewlett-Packard (portable) product HP Compaq nw8240 (PG818EA#ABU) version F.11
15:26<rss> Mobo Hewlett-Packard model 0940 version KBC Version 43.1D
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15:27<rss>psted in wrong screen sorry
15:27<rss>pasted in wrong screen
15:28<rss>sney, yeah was meant to be a pastebin for another channel. blushing with embarrassment now.
15:28<retrospectacus>!pal rss
15:28*dpkg points at rss and laughs hysterically
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15:31<rss>crawling under table now and wishing ground would open up and swallow me
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15:31<sney>rss: don't be such a drama queen
15:32<rss>sney, grin
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16:11<administrator>Hi, I can't run binary files unless I copy them for example to /usr/bin. System: Wheezy AMD64 + KDE. Any thoughts?
16:11<cmr>administrator: How are you invoking the binary?
16:12<administrator>I mean applications (executables)
16:12<cmr>Yes, but how are you invoking it.
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16:14<administrator>cmr: clicking in dolphin
16:15<administrator>I have installers from indie bundle and can't run them
16:15<cmr>Ah. I have no idea about dolphin or any KDE stuff.
16:15<retrospectacus>use the terminal. You will get much more useful info
16:15<cmr>Pop open a shell and do "./name_of_program"
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16:16<administrator>it says "access denied"
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16:17<cmr>What does "stat -c %A name_of_program" say?
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16:18<cmr>There you go, it's not actually executable.
16:19<john_>hey guys, on windows I can do 'net use' to mount a network drive, how can I do this on linux?
16:19<cmr>administrator: chmod u+x name_of_program
16:19<cmr>john_: You can use samba and smbmount, assuming it's a SMB share.
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16:20<john_>idk what an SMB share is
16:20<f0rk>what windows uses for file sharing
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16:20<f0rk>also supported by linux
16:21<administrator>ok it works from shell but not from dolphin (it doesn't know what app use to run this file)
16:21<cmr>What is it? A shell script? Compiled binary?
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16:22<konverguoju>hello, is there any lightweight WM for debian like Xcompmgr for archlinux to enhance openbox features?
16:22<cmr>konverguoju: debian has xcompmgr
16:22<administrator>it is an installer of Cortex Command game - one big executable
16:23<cmr>administrator: Don't know what to say, I don't use dolphin. Sounds like it isn't the best, though.
16:23<retrospectacus>you should definitely install it from the terminal. Then you will probably get a menu entry to play it
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16:25<administrator>ok I will try to do something myself later. Thanks for your help:) And actually what did this command "chmod u+x" changed?
16:25<cmr>It made the file executable for the owner.
16:25<administrator>ah ok:)
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16:28<administrator>sorry one more thing: when I try to run it without "./" at the beginning, it says "bash: cortex_command-amd64-installer-b25-1.bin: can't find a command"
16:29<cmr>Yes, that is because it is looking for the executable in your PATH ("echo $PATH"), and it is not there. ./foo gives it a path to find the executable. ./ is the current directory.
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16:32<administrator>cmr: but when I run my simple programs made in kdevelop, I don't have to type it
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16:33<administrator>they work anywhere
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16:33<cmr>administrator: Where does it put the executables? /usr/local/bin ?
16:33<cmr>They are somewhere on your PATH.
16:33<cmr>Use "command -v $PROGRAM" to find out what the shell is using for the binary.
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16:36<administrator>sorry but when I paste "command -v $PROGRAM" in the shell there is no reply
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16:36<cmr>replace $PROGRAM with the name of the program.
16:36<cmr>That's syntax for a shell variable.
16:37<administrator>for "command -v cortex_command-amd64-installer-b25-1.bin" there is no reply
16:37<cmr>Of course, because it isn't in the path.
16:37<cmr>Try one of the programs you made with kdevelop
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16:41<administrator>ok there is another problem: my prog worked only because I copied it to usr/bin/. And I could run it from my home directory until I deleted a copy from /usr/bin.
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16:42<administrator>So: I can't run any programs unless I use "./" prefix
16:42<cmr>Yes, that is how it works.
16:42<cmr>You really shouldn't be touching /usr/bin, let APT take care of that. Put your stuff in /usr/local/bin
16:43<Hydroxide>administrator: that's standard on almost every version of linux or unix out there. DOS and Windows are different.
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16:44<thorgrin>administrator: for "your" binaries and scripts you can create ~/bin and put it in PATH
16:44<Hydroxide>administrator: you also need to set the binary executable, which nothing is by default. you use chmod +x followed by the file name (with or without ./) to do that.
16:44<Hydroxide>also listen to what thorgrin said
16:44<retrospectacus> $HOME/bin goes in PATH automatically if it exists
16:45<cmr>retrospectacus: what magic causes that?
16:45<retrospectacus>for login shells
16:45<retrospectacus>cmr: ~/.profile
16:45<cmr>retrospectacus: Oh neat, look at that.
16:45<administrator>Ok, great!! thank you very much for help. I will later try to fix the dolphin problem:)
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16:47<thorgrin>nice, something new for me too ;-)
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17:45<damiano>how to check latest installed updates?
17:46<damiano>latest files that have been installed.
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17:47<retrospectacus>damiano: if you installed them with apt you can read /var/log/dpkg.log
17:47<damiano>erm.. no, with automatic updates.
17:47<retrospectacus>that counts
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17:48<damiano>the things is.. i added one repository.. and it asked for updates, but i thought that those are from main stable repository.. there were two files. Though i used safe update, but still, i'd like to know what those two files were...
17:48<damiano>i mean.. i saw them, but can't remember.
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17:49<retrospectacus>damiano: look at dpkg.log
17:50<damiano>ah! Found it...
17:51<damiano>it's libqt3-mt for Ubuntu...
17:51<damiano>i didn't use Ubuntu repository.. something else..
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17:52<damiano>and libogg
17:52<damiano>these two
17:52<damiano>should i... remove them?..
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17:53<damiano>dunno... they might be of some disturbance?..
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17:53<retrospectacus>why did you install them? Are they causing or fixing any problems?
17:53<damiano>as i said, that wasn't standard squeeze repository.
17:53<damiano>it's just that they were technically redundant i think
17:54<damiano>and i just didn't know those were coming from a different repository
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17:54<damiano>ok, it's from Trinity repository
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17:54<damiano>hey, you better set up your bot better
17:54<retrospectacus>damiano: I don't understand what you did, why, or what you are trying to do.
17:55<scraze__>have a prod server here where something went awry with grub (apparently), now booting with netinst/business card gets me a shell with either grub-installer (no man, help, etc) or grub-install from the mounted root partition : "Your /usr is broken; please fix it before calling this wrapper!" .. all I need is one lousy grub-install
17:55<damiano>if i'm typing too fast doesn't mean i'm flooding... Jesus..
17:55<damiano>retrospectacus, ok... listen.
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17:56<damiano>i wanted to get Trinity k3b and soundkonverter. Basically the same programs from KDE, but due to the fact that they're KDE3.5 interfaced i wanted to use those instead. I added the Trinity repository and then updated the list. Then i got updates. I thought it's from main debian servers. But it was from Trinity. I didn't get it and installed the updates, and then i got another pack which i didn't install, and i realized that those 2 files came from Trinity r
17:56<damiano>got it?
17:56<simonlnu>it's a bot, it can't tell the difference...
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17:57<damiano>well... there are people responsible for it, isn't it?
17:57<damiano>bot didn't create himself
17:58<retrospectacus>damiano: what is Trinity
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17:58<damiano>well..... basically a group of people they have revived KDE3.5 desktop, but also they've been updating and fixing it.
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17:58<scraze__>anyone out there with the answer how one gets a working grub-install executed (any iso will do)
17:58<damiano>so if you want a real working KDE3.5 - it's TDE for you (Trinity Desktop, which is based on KDE3.5)
17:59<simonlnu>and trinity isn't supported here
17:59<damiano>i know
17:59<damiano>the guy just asked
17:59<damiano>and i had no intention of discussing it here
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17:59<simonlnu>ok nm i, got confused
18:00<retrospectacus>damiano: you still haven't described any problem you are having, but in any case we cannot support that trinity stuff; it sounds like it's for ubuntu
18:00<damiano>listen.. you didn't get anything
18:00<damiano>it's not Trinity that matters here!
18:01<damiano>it's just those two files that came from other place than official releaseaseefadfgfdg
18:01<damiano>seems like youre doing it deliberately
18:01<ManuelCalavera>Problem with Network Manager, keeps asking for Wifi password and does not connect, can anyone help? thanks
18:01<retrospectacus>what about them??
18:01<damiano>nothing... just nothing...
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18:01<damiano>forget it
18:01<damiano>and thanks for help
18:01<scraze__>any pointers to documentation of grub-installer (default for squeeze's netinst & business) would be very welcome as well
18:01<damiano>it really worked for me
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18:07<scraze__>as one might expect, the error (from both grub-install and grub-installer) was correct, I forgot to mount the separate LVM partition for /usr.
18:07<damiano>is it ok to delete the packages from Archive folder?
18:08<damiano>cause they're just taking space.
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18:08<retrospectacus>apt-get clean will delete them all
18:08<damiano>ah! Cool
18:08<damiano>thanks again
18:09<damiano>now, you're one really helpful fella
18:09<retrospectacus>just spreading the debian love
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18:09<damiano>i seee... that's a very nice thing to do :)
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18:09<retrospectacus>anybody can do it :)
18:09<damiano>i know :)
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18:10<damiano>well.. i'm kinda young Debianist... i'm using it for a couple of weeks maybe
18:10<damiano>solved lotsa stuff
18:10<damiano>now it's ok
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18:10<damiano>just a bit paranoid to do some stuff... that's why i care for single alien files in my system
18:11<retrospectacus>you should be able to get the functionality you want (media converting?) with the standard system, no need for crazy alien packages
18:12<damiano>well yes... i wanted a tiny bit more enhanced converter than sound converter
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18:13<damiano>i could use Sound Konverter for KDE4.... but it's ugly.... i mean it does all the stuff, but it looks cheesy, just like everything in KDE4.. like KDE4 itself
18:13<scraze__>mencoder is in all repos afaict
18:13<damiano>as for Trinity versions.. they're just the same as in KDE4, they just look nicer
18:13<scraze__>oh, GUI. nevermind :]
18:13<damiano>sorry for bringin it up again,i just tried to explain it)
18:14<damiano>well yeah, GUI, cause i dunno how you do it with console only
18:14<damiano>i mean.. that must be really uncomfortable)
18:14<cmr>Converting audio? Nah.
18:14<damiano>changing bitrates for example
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18:14<damiano>alright, i'll come for instructions next time :)
18:15<cmr>Save yourself the trouble and 'man ffmpeg', or 'man mencoder' :)
18:15<damiano>ok, i'll consider that :)
18:15<cmr>vlc also converts, but VLC's interface is nasty (IMO)
18:15<damiano>bye bye for now. By the way.. i've made Xchat to make sounds!
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18:16<damiano>but... little did i know that i only had to use sound theme for gnome.... and should've downloaded stuff for xchat, like sound pack... which didn't work later..
18:16<scraze__>sox is very easy: sox --rate 16k foo.wav bar.ogg for example
18:16<damiano>yeah... looks like piece of cake..
18:17<damiano>alright, thanks
18:17<damiano>i'll be going now.. ta-ta...
18:17<damiano>good luck.
18:17<retrospectacus>GL HF :)
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18:17<damiano>TY YTOO :)
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19:07<skizzhg>hi, how java is envolved in mplayer? I compiled it yesterday on Debian to make a test and 'aptitude build-dep mplayer' installed a bunch of java crap
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19:26<grummund>listed by ps as STAT 'S'
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20:08<retrospectacus>test failed
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20:09<galaxy27>test successful
20:09<daemonkeeper>How do you know, maybe it was a Turing test?
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20:10<galaxy27>it's on Debian - it just works
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20:10<galaxy27>trying out irssi
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20:18<DYSW>Hey all. Im wondering if there is a shutdown command like reboot ? But that just powers off the server.
20:18<dondelelcaro>DYSW: shutdown -h now;
20:18<dondelelcaro>DYSW: man shutdown
20:19<DYSW>both will work ?
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20:19<DYSW>and thx btw
20:19<sney>'poweroff' typically does the same thing as well
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20:19<dondelelcaro>poweroff invokes shutdown unless you're in runlevel 0 or 6
20:20<dondelelcaro>(but yes, it'll do hte same thing)
20:20<nevyn>except on solaris where it tells openfirmware to just turn the box off.
20:20<nevyn>hrm not solaris
20:21<DYSW>good thing im on debian then
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20:22*nevyn was being ot. but it's a trap to think that poweroff does the right thing everywhere. it doesn't
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20:32<scraze__>trying to diagnose a server crash, had no time to make a backup of the disks and no extra disk to swap with one in the array, so logs are being touched; have made a snapshot of /var/log/ but syslog and messages just suddenly stop at the time of crash. Any pointers are welcome :}
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20:33<sney>no error? hardware failure
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20:45<scraze__>that's what I fear; I wish I could pinpoint the exact error, but either way updated the BIOS and.. well.. will take up praying.
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21:56<xdunlapx>how do i find out if my wifi card will work in debian 6?
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21:58<dvs>get the pci or usb id
21:58<xdunlapx>ok got it
21:59<xdunlapx>though it seems odd. it's 0c:00.0
21:59<dvs>that's not it
21:59<xdunlapx>its a pci card
21:59<xdunlapx>how do i find it? id id 'lspci'
21:59<xdunlapx>*i did
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22:00<dvs>lspci -nn
22:00<xdunlapx>oh 8086:5222
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22:01<dvs>,pciid 8086:5222
22:01<judd>[8086:5222] is 'Unknown device' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also
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22:02<xdunlapx>hmm there are no entries for it on that site
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22:03<xdunlapx>im just trying to figure out if i need the net-install or the dvd's to install debian. i know in debian 5 i needed more than the first dvd and couldn't do the net-install without directly connecting to my router via ethernet
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22:03<dvs>wireless installs rarely work
22:04<xdunlapx>i figured
22:04<xdunlapx>then i guess the question is how many of the dvd's do i need to burn?
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22:05<xdunlapx>ok ill give that a go.
22:05<xdunlapx>thanks :)
22:06<vrkalak>not the net.install . . . but the Debian 6 release/snapshot
22:06<xdunlapx>yes. im currently downdloading 6.0.3 DVD 1
22:06<vrkalak>the net.install doesn't have enough ... you need the whole DVD
22:07<dioz>the net isntall has it all...
22:07<dioz>you just have to download all the packages
22:07<dioz>isntead of them b eing on the dvd's
22:08<vrkalak>dioz: if you don't have an existing connection, then the net.install is not enough
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22:09<grummund>Is it possible to delete files *as* they are added to a .tar.gz archive? so as to not require temporary space.
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22:51<chasckbv>hola como estan
22:51<chasckbv>me uni a debian en estos dias
22:52<chasckbv>tengo una notebook que la cual no tiene los drivers de la tarjeta grafica
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22:52<chasckbv>alguien me ayuda con eso
22:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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23:53<luis_>Hi there. I'm very new on Linux and I would like to know if somebody knows why my Video Card on my laptop is getting so Hot
23:53<batouzo>luis_: you might say what card and laptop
23:54<batouzo>maybe linux does not manage power on it correctly, or you have 2 cards and linux doesnt switch to the power-saving one
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23:56<luis_>Ok. Batouzo. I'm trying to get off of Windows, and start working with linux. I love the way it works but the only problem is my Video Card. Do you have any command where I can check my Video Card Please?
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23:59<luis_>batouzo I have a VAIO VGN-FZ140e
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