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---Logopened Tue Nov 22 00:00:11 2011
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00:00<batouzo>luis_: lspci
00:00<batouzo>luis_: lspci | grep -i vga
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00:00<batouzo>luis_: check on internet is this a dual gfx card laptop. if yes then maybe disable the faster one in bios until you find a proper fix (with switching of cards)
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00:02<luis_>batouzo 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c)
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00:04<luis_>batouzo, my Bios it's made by phonix and for some reazon there is no way posible to play too much with my Bios in this laptop.
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00:04<batouzo>luis_: you have just this one card? looks ok
00:04<luis_>I can change the Time, make a password and change the way it boots my Laptop.
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00:05<luis_>but that's it.
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00:05<batouzo>luis_: then I don't know, maybe someone else will
00:06<luis_>is ok. Thank Very much for your help batouzo
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00:08<batouzo>luis_: if googling card model does not help, then maybe linux, debian and other web forums
00:09<luis_>ok, That is good to know
00:09<luis_>Thanks again batouzo
00:09<batouzo>no pron
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01:11<engine64>phi all, any networkl experts here? how do you restrict clients from reaching each other (can't ping each other). We have this campus pre-paid wireless implementation and we don't want to allow clients to communicate each other. If a solution exists, what it is called? thanks in advance.
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01:14<reklipz>Is this channel and #debian @ freenode linked?
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01:16<jm_>reklipz: define linked
01:16<reklipz>typie typie here - echo echo there
01:16<reklipz>they're not
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01:19<reklipz>I recently installed a new mobo in one of my boxes.
01:20<reklipz>Newer version of the AMD7xx series chipsets; different peripherals, different manufacturer.
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01:20<reklipz>I tried to boot via AHCI, but it wouldn't boot (I messed up the disk boot ordering).
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01:21<reklipz>I didn't realize I had the boot ordering incorrect, so I followed some silly advice onilne: `update-initramfs -u` with 'list' mode in initramfs.conf and 'ahci' and 'libahci' in modules
01:21<reklipz>Now, I receive: regardless if I'm using Legacy IDE, or AHCI for the controller.
01:22<reklipz>I suspect I just need to boot from a Live CD or some shell and chroot into the installation, and then rerun update-initramfs.
01:22<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
01:22<reklipz>Not a grub issue.
01:22<reklipz>However, that's easier said than done, as this system has no CD/DVD-ROM, no floppy, and I don't have any mass storage via USB laying around.
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01:22<jm_>the point was in the commands - mount, chroot etc
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01:23<reklipz>jm_: yeah, gotcha, sorry for the snappiness. My point was that the issue isn't so much how to do it once I have the install disk booted, but how to boot the install disk.
01:23<reklipz>I could try netboot?
01:23<reklipz>The ethernet supports PXE and RPL (I think that's what it listed...).
01:23<jm_>reklipz: yes, try netboot
01:24<reklipz>Let me boot this machine into debian; back in a flash
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01:24<jm_>but did you try using rescue shell first?
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01:26<reklipz>Ok, backs.
01:27<reklipz>Is there anything built into the system (like an awesome package / script) for netbooting Debian, from Debian?
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01:36<reklipz>jm_: wait, you think I could just stick the hdd in this machine and modify the mdadm config?
01:36<reklipz>err... chroot into it
01:37<reklipz>yeah, that's much easier
01:37<reklipz>don't have to mess with DHCP and the like
01:38<jm_>reklipz: it will probably be much easier if you can do this
01:38<jm_>reklipz: the easiest option is if you can repair it using the busybox prompt you got
01:38<reklipz>I didn't buy those hotswap bays for nothing, :)
01:38<reklipz>jm_: I concur, but for some reason, it says it can't connect the tty device, and the keyboards don't seem to respond.
01:39<reklipz>CTRL+ALT+DEL doesn't even reboot
01:40<jm_>reklipz: bummer\
01:41<reklipz>jm_: I suspect it's because it is a USB keyboard?
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01:41<jm_>reklipz: ahh right, you might be missing modules for it in the initramfs image I suppose
01:42<kop>reklipz: I've not been following but, boot off the install cd, go into rescue mode and do a updateinitramfs -u ?
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01:43<reklipz>kop: You haven't been following, :). That's essentially the solution, yes.
01:44<reklipz>kop: here's another brain buster: how can I manifest a SATA power connector out of thin air?
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01:47<kop>reklipz: If you've got a molex then you can ebay a converter. Ebay is _almost_ thin air. :)
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01:48<reklipz>Heh, I think it's easier/quicker to open the other side of my case and fish out a connector, but, thanks for being on your toes.
01:48<rbrito>Hi there. Is there anybody successfully using systemd with Debian?
01:49<rbrito>How ready is it?
01:50<kop>rbrito: What's it got that insserv does not?
01:51<rbrito>kop: it's said to be faster and event-based, which would be a good thing to avoid, say, bringing up bluetooth daemons when I have bluetooth disabled...
01:51<reklipz>Does anyone care to explain initramfs? I believe it specifies what kernel modules are built into the initial ramdisk for booting linux. Is that it?
01:52<kop>rbrito: You could try #debian-next. It's not in stable.
01:52<kop>reklipz: Yup.
01:52<jm_>reklipz: it's not just modules - it's also initial root fs which gets mounted
01:52<kop>reklipz: Plus the stuff that's otherwise needed to boot, like mount to mount the root fs.
01:53<reklipz>hmm... this wasn't such a good idea.
01:53<reklipz>root@desmas-d:/# update-initramfs -u
01:53<reklipz>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64
01:53<reklipz>mdadm: cannot open /dev/md0: No such file or directory
01:53<rbrito>kop: I actually use unstable, as that's what's needed to build my packages so that I can upload them to ftp-master.
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01:54<reklipz>I don't need the RAID disks on here when I do this, do I?
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01:54<reklipz>I suppose I just need to be able to boot, and then I can do the update-initramfs on that machine.
01:54<kop>reklipz: Right.
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01:55<kop>reklipz: I forget the details regards /dev/ and and a chroot and updating the initial ramfs. Too tired.
01:55<reklipz>kop: no biggie, I think I've got it worked out.
01:55<reklipz>It's just nice to have folks confirm / deny and to follow along
01:56<reklipz>No one really messes with this stuff often enough to be a guru at it.
01:56<reklipz>And if you do... you must maintain lots of machines or something.
01:56<rbrito>reklipz: Just to set the record straight, are you trying to create an initramfs for another machine?
01:56<reklipz>I've got a whopping three (and a fourth at work).
01:56<reklipz>rbrito: I've chrooted into a root from another machine, on this machine.
01:57<reklipz>I fubar'd the initramfs for the other machine, so it wouldn't boot.
01:57<reklipz>my only resort was netboot, or this.
01:57<reklipz>this was easier.
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01:59<jm_>reklipz: did you check if it mkinitramfs keeps an old file handy?
02:00<rbrito>OK, so you are logged the machine with the problem, but inside a chroot? And do you need it to create/update the initramfs?
02:00<reklipz>Machine boots; great success.
02:00<rbrito>Does the /dev directory of the chroot have the contents that it is supposed to, including your /dev/md0?
02:00<reklipz>jm_: I did not check, I just assumed it didn't.
02:00<jm_>quick look at update-initramfs suggests it does (but this will obviously not help if the command has been run multiple times)
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02:01<reklipz>rbrito: no, I did not attach the RAID devices, thus no /dev/md0.
02:01<reklipz>However, they are not necessary to boot.
02:01<reklipz>Now that it's booted in the machine, I can update-initramfs on the machine itself, with the hardware from that machine.
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02:02<rbrito>reklipz: well, when you have them attached, you can regenerate the initramfs'es...
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02:02<reklipz>rbrito: Yep, that's the plan. She's all good to go now; just did the update-initramfs in the machine; thanks!
02:02<rbrito>In the worst case, you can mount --bind stuff in a chroot environment...
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02:03<reklipz>Now, back to my original issue. This new motherboard has different chipsets. How can I automatically install the packages with the firmware/drivers/utilities for these chipsets (similar/the same as when running debian-installer)?
02:04<sney>the vast majority of drivers are included in the linux kernel and are loaded or not loaded depending on what hardware is present
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02:04<rbrito>reklipz: your question is not clear: doesn't the kernel have all the necessary drivers?
02:04<reklipz>I apologize, the drivers are likely fine, yes.
02:04<sney>generally, you can take a hard drive from one computer and boot it in another and it will work just fine.
02:04<reklipz>But things like firmware wrappers and userspace tools
02:04<rbrito>If you only need the firmware to make the drivers work, then you can just install the respective firmware packages...
02:05<sney>if you know you need those, just make sure they're installed and available before you do your move
02:05<sney>if you need a firmware installer, there is one available
02:05<sney>!firmware image
02:05<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install guide>.
02:05<reklipz>rbrito: sney: Ok, so there is no tool to automatically determine which firmware packages are necessary, at least not outside of debian-installer.
02:05<sney>no tool, yeah
02:05<reklipz>I can deal with that, I just didn't want to if there was a tool available.
02:06<sney>most firmware is in firmware-linux-nonfree anyway
02:06<reklipz>I suppose... in this case... I am the tool.
02:06<sney>in more ways than one! haha, I kid
02:06<rbrito>reklipz: you can see the firmware that the modules you use need with the modinfo command.
02:06<reklipz>rbrito: :)
02:07<rbrito>It will spit out, among other things, the firmware blobs that are needed...
02:08<jm_>reklipz: most drivers will tell you they are missing the firmware so just look at dmesg output after boot
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02:10<rbrito>You can see what a given driver needs as in:
02:10<rbrito>modinfo e100 | grep firmware:
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02:20<reklipz>rbrito: Got it, thanks again.
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02:20<rbrito>reklipz: You're welcome.
02:21<reklipz>Does anyone know what netselect(-apt) uses as criteria for it's "speed test"? Is it bandwidth, latency, or both?
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02:21<reklipz>The reason I ask is because my ISP has this "speedboost" crap it uses to reign in more customers, and that will likely skew the results (in favor of the first few).
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02:22<reklipz>I suppose I could just test under lots of traffic.
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02:23<rbrito>I forget now which is which (netselect-apt/apt-spy), but I'm not mistaken, netselect-apt uses netselect, which is, essentially, a ping-based utility...
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02:24<rbrito>It measures the round trip of the packets... you can try netselect in a very verbose mode to see what it is trying...
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02:25<xpom>hi all! i need player for mp4 files> so can anyone give me a good link for this?
02:25<rbrito>xpom: try clementine.
02:26<reklipz>xpom: I've never heard of clementine, but I like VLC.
02:26<reklipz>mplayer is handy as well.
02:26<rbrito>xpom: errr... What do you mean by mp4 files? Video also?
02:27<reklipz>rbrito: I think you had the right... nevermind!
02:27<rbrito>If yes, then, smplayer is my first choice...
02:27<xpom>sorry aim not power linux user
02:27<reklipz>go with VLC or mplayer (unless clementine is video too and not just an audio player).
02:27<rbrito>clementine is only for audio...
02:27<rbrito>It is a replacement for amarok 1.4
02:27<reklipz>Ah, ok.
02:28<xpom>thx people=) hello from russia=)
02:28<reklipz>you're welcome; enjoy!
02:28<rbrito>xpom: if you are not a power user, then do yourself a favour and install smplayer (which is a gui for mplayer).
02:29<reklipz>rbrito: how is smplayer different from gmplayer?
02:29<reklipz>(gmplayer == GTK+/GNOME mplayer)
02:29<xpom>i need to try it from console? or from rmp packages ?
02:29<reklipz>xpom: Are you running Debian?
02:30<xpom>xubuntu>latest release
02:30<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
02:30<rbrito>reklipz: in many different ways. smplayer is based on Qt (pure Qt 4 only, which uses the GTK 2 theme of your environment)...
02:30<rbrito>Besides that, it is *so* much more powerful...
02:30<reklipz>xpom: try `apt-cache search mplayer` (or `apt-cache search gmplayer`)
02:31<reklipz>rbrito: I tend to stick with `mplayer` but I'll have to check it out.
02:31<rbrito>xpom: you can get smplayer from the repositories...
02:31<sney>xpom: please go to the correct channel for xubuntu... this is #debian and we can only guess what is different in your case
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02:31<reklipz>xpom: as in: # aptitude install smplayer (# means at root prompt). Good luck in #ubuntu!
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02:32<rbrito>reklipz: you may, perhaps, want to install mplayer2 (a fork of mplayer) to play with it...
02:32<reklipz>rbrito: I believe I was playing with that a while back. My HTPC took a crap (motherboard, as hinted earlier), and I'm just now getting around to fixing it. I will give it a whirl when I find some time.
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02:32<reklipz>Thanks for the suggestion.
02:33<rbrito>reklipz: mplayer2 is able to use multithreads to decode video...
02:33<reklipz>rbrito: Yeah, I think that's why I looked into it originally.
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02:33<reklipz>Since then, though, I've bought a card that can support VDPAU, and the integrated card supports ATI's equivalent (some TLA, I can't remember, UVO or something like that?)
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02:34<reklipz>I wonder if my TV supports PIP from VGA, HDMI, and Component... I may try running X three times, just for fun.
02:35<rbrito>Are you able to use hardware acceleration? I wish that I could with my Radeon card, but newer kernels just give me the blues...
02:35<rbrito>And no kernel developers seem to care for the issues that I have...
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02:35<reklipz>rbrito: The motherboard came with an integrated GPU.. 4200 something I think.
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02:36<reklipz>But, I have an NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS.
02:36<reklipz>Which does VDPAU, and is fanless.
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02:36<jm_>and high temperatures ;)
02:36<reklipz>It's not so bad, it's a low end card.
02:36<jm_>mine was running at 73C constantly
02:37<reklipz>I'll have to check mine
02:37<reklipz>that's the card; got it for like... $20
02:37<reklipz>"Dear Thomas and other people," <-- made me laugh, :)
02:38<jm_>ahh that one has better heatsink so it should be a bit lower
02:38<rbrito>Despite that, Thomas Gleixner didn't reply. Only Dave Airlie...
02:39<reklipz>I was trying to do 1080p (high bitrate) on the AMD CPU (2.8GHz, OC'd it a bit for the time), but It just couldn't muster above 14mbps
02:39<reklipz>rbrito: I will read in a moment, sorry.
02:39<reklipz>I then started messing with that AVCore or whatever non free solution; didn't work so well.
02:40<rbrito>Dave Airlie's last message to that thread ended as "but I've no real idea about the irq subsystem." (Dave Airlie is the maintainer of the Radeon drivers, while Thomas is the hacker of the IRQ subsystem).
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02:42<jm_>surely someone else reviewed his change so they should know a bit about it too, but anyway, that's a discussion for a different channel
02:43<reklipz>jm_: hovering around 50 centigrade when watching a rip
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02:44<xpom>thx all<sry for not my channel>did it from console=) bye!
02:45<reklipz>rbrito: I've never `git bisect`ed before. Did you have to test and reboot your kernel each of those trials?
02:45<reklipz>xpom: you're welcome
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02:45<jm_>reklipz: yeah sounds much better, this was mine
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02:45<rbrito>jm_: are you talking about reviewing the patches that went in? Well, it seems that the rewrite of the IRQ subsystem in the .39 kernels were not that well behaviour preserving.
02:45<reklipz>Ah, definitely smaller heatsink. Do you have it in an HTPC?
02:45<reklipz>s/HTPC/HTPC Case/
02:45<rbrito>reklipz: yes, with reboots.
02:46<jm_>rbrito: yup
02:46<reklipz>mine is in a mini tower case, that could be part of the deal.
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02:46<reklipz>sorry, misread rbrito as jm_.
02:46<jm_>reklipz: naah, this was at work in a midi tower case
02:46<reklipz>rbrito: So, did git create that nice tree with the "good" "bad" output?
02:47<rbrito>reklipz: yes, that's automatically generated when you mark each commit as good or bad.
02:47<rbrito>git bisect log generates that output.
02:47<reklipz>Did it keep state like it would if you were doing git rebase (where you have to fix a conflict and --continue)
02:47<reklipz>Awesome! I'll have to use that more often.
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02:47<rbrito>No, you don't have to rebase anything: it simply checks out the version at that point and nothing else.
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02:48<rbrito>It is very handy to do a binary search to see where things have gone wrong, indeed.
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02:50<reklipz>jm_: I suspect this is part of why I win here:
02:50<reklipz>At the end of 2007 NVIDIA released a new GeForce 8400 GS based on the G98 (D8M) chip.[8] It is quite different from the G86 used for the "first" 8400 GS, as the G98 features VC-1 and MPEG2 video decoding completely in hardware, lower power consumption, lowered 3D-performance and a smaller fabrication process. The G98 also features dual-link DVI support and PCI Express 2.0. G86 and G98 cards were both sold as "8400 GS", the difference show
02:50<rbrito>A silly question here: is there anybody that has any suggestion in replacing a notebook's mini-pci wireless card with a newer one? In particular, I would like to get one that supports the 802.11n standard...
02:50<EmleyMoor>rbrito: Only done a like-for-like on mine
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02:51<reklipz>rbrito: We use the Intel 6250 cards in a laptop at work, they seem pretty slick.
02:52<reklipz>Beyond that, I don't use a laptop much beyond my Dell Vostro 1510 (crappiest model available, with cheapest wifi chip).
02:52<reklipz>It works well for me too, however.
02:52<reklipz>LP-PHY Broadcom, which gave headaches for a while, but the guys at linux-wireless worked their magic, and now it spanks.
02:53<rbrito>Did the substitution occur with no problems? Are there any incompatibilities among cards that are supposed to be mini-pci compliant, but are not?
02:53<EmleyMoor>I have a Dell Inpiron 17 (1750) with Intel 5150 card - works quite well, not had time to evaluate it properly since I got the new firmware but it used to typically go fine for days.
02:54<pumafyre>I'm on a Dell Inspiron 1525
02:54<jm_>reklipz: most definitely
02:55<EmleyMoor>I suspect that using one not approved by the laptop manufacturer might cause problems if you ever install Windows...
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02:56<reklipz>EmleyMoor: I could definitely see that happening too. Although, I never install the proprietary drivers' userspace software and always allow Windows native to deal with the settings (unless I absolutely have to), so I suspect this shouldn't cause too much of an issue.
02:57<reklipz>rbrito: The card in the laptops at work was not swapped, but the best card from the listing that Dell gave when my bosses decided to buy it. I believe they were all Intel series 5000 or 6000 in the choices they could have chosen from.
02:57<EmleyMoor>I would hope that Linux wouldn't actually care that much as long as it's a supported card
02:58<reklipz>My roommate swapped one in his crappy laptop (running Windows), and I'm pretty sure it wasn't a like card in anyway, and it works fine.
02:58<rbrito>EmleyMoor: yes, I would too... :)
02:58<reklipz>Well, the swap worked fine; the system and software can access/read the hardware.
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02:58*EmleyMoor contacted Dell who wanted 75 pounds for the part - eventually found it for about 30 elsewhere
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02:59<rbrito>I will try to see if I find something around here for not so extorsive amounts of money... Otherwise, I will have to go with a USB dongle, which is inconvenient...
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03:01<reklipz>rbrito: Are you in the US? If so (or perhaps it is international...) I would be inclined to check craigslist for something like this.
03:01<rbrito>No, I'm in South America...
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03:02<Chipzz>rbrito: I would advise you to buy from dell even despite the high price. Some vendors have a whitelist of supported cards and will simply not accept any others, so a cheaper card might actually be wasted money.
03:03<rbrito>Chipzz: that's good to know, thanks.
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03:05<Chipzz>EmleyMoor mentioned above "when you install windows", I'm not sure if that's only an issue on windows or not. I'm also not sure if Dell does that. I would advise you to research both issues thoroughly before buying any card though. Maybe you're in luck and a 30$ card will work anyway.
03:06<EmleyMoor>The Intel card I bought as a replacement was described as a "Dell" one, as opposed to Fujitsu, which the same place also sold.
03:06<Chipzz>rbrito: anyway, do your homework I'ld say :)
03:07<rbrito>Chipzz: well, no problems with that. I just wanted to know if people had some experiences with that... Oh, and BTW, I don't use windows... :-)
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03:07<Chipzz>good for you :)
03:08<Chipzz>from what I recollect the whitelist thing was a BIOS thing though. I might remember wrong though
03:08<EmleyMoor>I never plan to put Windows on my laptop - and don't plan to get rid of it until it's BER.
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03:10<reklipz>Chipzz: Yep, it's a hardware deal; definitely not something the manufacturer wants you to be able to easily change.
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03:11<EmleyMoor>Might get a netbook if I ever feel flush enough but the 1750 will stay. It wasn't my initial choice but my partner insisted that we were only having one and it had to have a number pad...
03:12<EmleyMoor>And, as it happens, it's a great machine for running Debian on
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03:16<rbrito>OK, I'm going now, people... See ya!
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03:19<reklipz>I hate the internet.
03:20<reklipz>I just read every single comment on this stupid post:
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03:40<dan_>hello? (new to IRC, rel. new to Linux; checking if connected successfully to #debian?)
03:41<spacemouse>dan_: you are
03:41<dan_>great! thanks. is this an appropriate place to ask an installation question?
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03:42<EmleyMoor>If it's installation of Debian, yes
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03:44<spacemouse>dan_: and if it's Debian stable
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03:51<dan_>alas, it's not Debian-specific. a little googling led me here, since it seems several would-be Debian users (trying to install) have had a similar problem. but I don't want to be disrespectful of anyone's time, so if this isn't for general (i.e., SQUASHFS) install issues, I don't want to pester. thanks anyway, though. :)
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04:03<devil>dan_: just ask :)
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04:07<nocturnal>when I do sudo crontab -e I keep getting GNU nano for some reason. my own users EDITOR is vim, and if I do su or sudo bash and then crontab -e I get vim too. so both root and my user have EDITOR=vim yet sudo crontab -e opens nano.
04:07<nocturnal>where is this being set?
04:07<nocturnal>debian 6.0.2
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04:10<jm_>nocturnal: are you aware that sudo by default removes almost all variables?
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04:10<nocturnal>#Defaults env_reset
04:10<nocturnal>but maybe it doesn't help to comment it
04:11<nocturnal>if it's default behavior
04:11<nocturnal>so where is the default environment then? I can't see any EDITOR set in /etc/profile, I'm using bash.
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04:13<jm_>editor alternative perhaps, or a result of using sensible-editor
04:13<nocturnal>I tried adding export EDITOR=vim to /etc/profile but that didn't help.
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04:13<MrFrood>nocturnal: have used the alternatives system to set the editor?
04:13<nocturnal>no I have not
04:13<nocturnal>I was not aware of this
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04:14<nocturnal>so I assume I'm not supposed to edit /etc/alternatives manually?
04:14<nocturnal>you have some fancy tool starting with a d most likely
04:14<mosno>nocturnal: update-alternatives
04:15<MrFrood>nocturnal: the alternatives system is covered in the documentation, the setting for the editor sets the system wide default editor
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04:24<dan_>devil: thanks for your openness. :)
04:24<dan_>I'm in the middle of an install on a machine with a shoddy DVD drive. I got all the way up to configuring the kernel (was in the middle of selecting network drivers), when all of a sudden the screen was taken over by a repeating SQUASHFS error (Unable to read data cache entry… ). I'm actually still in the kernel config (via make menuconfig), and moving the arrow keys refreshes the screen to allow me to choose options, but the screen keep
04:24<dan_>getting overwritten. I'm hoping that at this point in the installation process I've moved beyond the need of the optical drive, so I'd like to try just suppressing the error and moving on with the install. I've tried switching to another terminal (ctrl+alt+f2), but the same error pops up there. Any suggestions of how to suppress this error, or send its output to /tmp? Or suggestions where to look? Any help much appreciated.
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04:25<jm_>!printk console
04:25<dpkg>rumour has it, printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel)
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04:25<jm_>try with that
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04:26<karth>hi #debian..
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04:27<karth>i configured HP-laserget-p1566 printer with my debian derived linux distro
04:28<karth>it not show any error in configuration.. but when i try to print it prints nothing..
04:28<EmleyMoor>Debian derived? Not actual Debian then...
04:28<karth>yes EmleyMoor .. the distro named as BOSS
04:29<karth>and the kernle is 2.6.39
04:29<babilen>karth: You want to ask in their channel then as we only support Debian here.
04:29<dpkg>rumour has it, boss is a powerful, annoying creature, usually devoid of any clue, especially when ordering people around. "Bharat Operating System Solutions" (BOSS), an Indian GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian>; support is at #boss-nrcfoss on and
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04:33<karth>ok then.. i will check in that channel thanks..
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04:34<Dalas_>оО скоко народу тут (
04:34<Dalas_>а мой ип на далнете запабене *( кто то посторался
04:34<gede>whois amphi
04:34<Dalas_>что все грустят )
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04:35<Dalas_>я не понимаю тебя )
04:36<EmleyMoor>Dalas_: What are you doing
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04:36<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
04:36<Dalas_>i don't know
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04:36<Dalas_>oO nifiga ti po russki sharish )
04:36<devil>Dalas_: this is a EN channel, see above for a RU-chan
04:36<devil>Dalas_: stop!
04:36<Dalas_>oke )
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04:37<EmleyMoor>Shame I don't get Cyrillic characters here - I do at home
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04:38<EmleyMoor>(not that I understand it, but it would have dropped me a hint)
04:38<Dalas_>You will have problems if I write in Russian?!))))
04:39<jm_>yes, Putin will try to join to improve on his elite status
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04:40<EmleyMoor>(a) it is not understood here, this is an English speaking channel (b) when I am connected the way I am at the moment, only Latin-1 characters actually show
04:40<Dalas_>hmm i no understand
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04:41<Dalas_><EmleyMoor> ok )) all under,,,
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04:42<Dalas_>There are cheerful jokes?!))
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04:44<Tempos>Can anybody help troubleshooting? Or simply tell where can I find help (:
04:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:44<Tempos>It'll be veeery big text (:
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04:45<gede>is it beginner channel
04:45<EmleyMoor>Tempos: If you need to paste stuff, use a pastebin like
04:45<babilen>gede: Users of all levels are in this channel
04:46<gede>okey thanks
04:46<Dalas_>go all to #debian-russian )))))
04:47<EmleyMoor>Dalas_: No point for those of us who don't speak Russian
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04:54<Tempos>I have debian (sid) on externall HDD...And, wile being mounted in windows, it was unproperly removed. There was dameged MBR (fixed), damaged fs (i run fsck, it found some errors and fixed them), then fixed error=ro... state in fstab for root fs, aptitude found missing dependencies (and it say's that for now they are fixed), but... Before crash i had about 1790 packages, for now just 1745 (not
04:54<Tempos>a problem, if they're not required by dependencies, and aptitude sais that all OK), and when i run startx (gnome 3.x, I don't remember exactly), if it runs on usual mode (no regression to 2.x decor, don't know how it's correctly named), it crashes on trying do write to home directory - when saving files with iceweasel/gedit, launcing deluge-gtk client etc... When it lanches in 2.x mode it's
04:54<Tempos>all works fine, in tty there's no problems too. I don't now, is there any files missing in /home (it's separated logicall disk) - not hidden are all OK, but i dont know about hidden config/etc... Also, dpkg-reconfigure -a crashes around cron, rpcbind can't find some files in /usr... directory (when booting)... Well, its seems all I founded for now (:
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04:55<Tempos>Oh, yes, there was inode problem on /home drive to, and probles in lost+found (count 2, need to be 1) - fixed too by fsck
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04:55<gnugr>Tempos: this is not a way to ask, please type a question
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04:56<Tempos>Question?) How to fix Gnome, dpkg-reconfigure -a error's and rpcbind missing files
04:57<gnugr>type dpkg --configure -a to see for missing files
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05:03<Tempos>damn...Yesterday in the evening all worked fine, shutted down by "sudo halt", and now trying to lounch in virtualbox sais a lot for error's, ext4 to, mounting all RO and for my login it sais that it's incorrect(((
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05:47<grummund>Could anyone suggest a low-resource httpd capable of doing domain redirects please?
05:48<grummund>it's just needed for permanent redirect of --> (hosted on another server).
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05:49<simonlnu>grummund: nginx, lighttpd
05:49<simonlnu>apache is not low-resource
05:49<@weasel>who cares.
05:50<grummund>weasel: hmm, well that would be nice since it's already set up but it seems to want >250MB
05:50<simonlnu>the asker
05:50<chl501>is it possible to install/ restore gcc 4.3 in wheezy?
05:51<chl501>i upgrade system to wheezy, but when installing nvidia driver, it said only gcc 4.3 is supported.
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05:52<fb>grummund: you can run python in simplehttpserver mode
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05:53<fb>chl501: I doubt nvidea's driver supports anything other than stable
05:53<simonlnu>it'll use about as much as nginx and be about as fast too
05:53<babilen>chl501: The nvidia package compiles just fine on wheezy. We do not support's installer.
05:53<babilen>!tell chl501 -about nvidia dkms
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05:54<babilen>chl501: You have to adapt that to wheezy (kernel version for example)
05:54<fb>babilen: nvidia provide the source then ?
05:55<fb>grummund: you can probably use a reverse proxy (squid for example) to do what you want
05:56<babilen>fb: (but why do you need that?)
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05:56<babilen>fb: And to answer your initial question: gcc-4.3 is *not* in wheezy
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05:56<grummund>fb: i'm content to use one of the lightweight httpd's but i wasn't sure if they were so lightweight as to even not support domain redirects
05:58<simonlnu>the 'domain redirect' in nginx or lighttpd would be all of 4 maybe 5 lines about 120 characters total
05:59<grummund>thanks all. i'm doing some reading based on those recommendations...
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06:01<simonlnu>for python i suspect it would be about the same amount of typing ;)
06:03<babilen>fb: Please just install the drivers as detailed in dpkg's private message. Alternatively you can seek support in #nvidia on (I'd recommend the former)
06:04<fb>babilen: chl501 had the question concerning nvidia support in wheezy.
06:05<simonlnu>!coffee babilen
06:05*dpkg decants a fine broth of organic Colombian for babilen, courtesy of simonlnu
06:05<simonlnu>oh yummy
06:05<fb>I've already had three cups of coffee or I'd be jealous ;-)
06:07<babilen>simonlnu: ta :)
06:08<babilen>chl501: Please see all my former messages while I drink the coffee and wake up ;)
06:09<chl501>fb & babilen: i will test that with debian way (previously i d/l from nvidia website so it warned with that message). thanks for those information. : )
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06:10<babilen>chl501: Good luck, also note that we have a #debian-next channel for wheezy/sid support.
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06:18<scorphus>alguém de iceweasel atualizado no SID que abre normalmente?
06:19<scorphus>I'm having problems with iceweasel on sid when trying to open it just hangs
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06:22<scorphus>this is the error: ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXRender: GLXBadRenderRequest; 2 requests ago: file /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-8.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 199
06:22<scorphus>Segmentation fault
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06:22<fb>scorphus: for sid you need to ask on #debian-next
06:22<scorphus>right on topic, sorry again
06:23<gob_bluth>we upgraded our munin server from 1.25 (on deb5) to 1.4 (now on deb6) and we're getting really, _really_ high load for the same number of systems and checks. munin would prior never rise about 2.0 and now it's hitting 40 load and this is with more cpu's provisioned (4), is there some bug i'm missing or is it not compatible with debian 5 clients ?
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06:54<dan_>anyone know a good way to persistently display battery status without the need for a window manager? (I'm picturing zsh with a thin bar across the bottom of the screen, green/red based on battery charge)
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06:56<babilen>dan_: 0.1s google →
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06:57<dan_>babilen: that's perfect! i /have/ been googling away, didn't know how to find this. *feels silly* thanks :)
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06:58<babilen>dan_: as well -- /me recommends googling for "zsh battery"
06:59<jm_>or various screen prompts perhaps
06:59<jm_>status bars, not prompts
06:59<dan_>i think i was looking in the wrong place; i was trying to find the most minimal window manager possible, didn't think to do it in zsh itself
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07:01<babilen>dan_: You said that you want it in zsh -- My understanding was that a requirement of your setup was that it does *not* require Xorg. If you do, in fact, use X with whatever window manager I'd take a look at dzen and conky
07:02<yopyop>Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to run list of command in screen to get it split, with choosen commands ran at startup ?
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07:06<hoshi411>is there a debian channel for powerpc?
07:06<dpkg>PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture ( See "Debian for PowerPC" at . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on and
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07:08<hoshi411>jm_: thanks ^_^
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07:09<jm_>hoshi411: no worries
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07:10<jm_>yopyop: you can issue commands via .screenrc
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07:36<gob_bluth>andybody familiar with munin ?
07:36<jm_>depends on what you mean with familiar
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08:04<nevyn>man... installling the firmware for an emu10k1 card is pain.
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08:30<dani>helloo motherfuckeeeers
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08:45<Twigg>Does anybody have tried to join win 7 clients on a samba/openldap PDC ?
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09:10<houms>just update kernel to 3.1 and i have broadcom 4312-phy version
09:11<houms>i followed this wiki
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09:14<batouzo>how would you copy important logs online automatically to other computer?
09:14<houms>b43 dows not load on reboot
09:15<houms>i can modprobe it
09:15<houms>but i have to do that everytime
09:15<batouzo>how to verify am I now using kernel mode switching
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09:17<houms>read that batouzo should answer your questions
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09:19<houms>how can i get b43 to load on boot
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09:19<houms>the wiki does not explain that part
09:20<batouzo>houms: to load it automatically on start? afair my old lapopt with b43 was working automatically when booted up...
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09:22<houms>that is what i am miffed about . the wiki says b43 is what is needed for BCM4312 LP-PHY
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09:22<houms>i installed as instructed in the wiki, and it loads when modprobe'd but on reboot i need to modprobe it again
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09:23<batouzo>how to configure X to have it use radeon card? on open drivers
09:24<batouzo>where to get the initial xorg.conf .. it was not auto generated, shouldn't it?
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09:25<houms>i found my problem. there is a broadcom-sta-common.conf which i think is from previous wireless setup
09:25<houms>which is strange as it is loading wl driver
09:26<houms>can anyone confirm which is the correct driver for b4312-lp-phy?
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09:26<houms>batouzo did you install xserver-xorg-video-radeon ?
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09:27<batouzo>houms: yes
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09:29<houms>what DE is installed?
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09:32<houms>how can i remove the broadcom-sta module that was built via m-a a-i?
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09:34<batouzo>houms: ok it works now.. I did X -configure by hand
09:34<batouzo>and copies resulting ~/
09:34<nolan_>i can't seem to find a package in synaptic but it's in the debian repositories according to the website
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09:34<danols_work>hi all anyone know anything about a script fuck
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09:35<danols_work>my co-worker found one of our PHP servers filled up and that script in it
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09:36<CrZyWiz>\j ubuntu
09:36<danols_work>it's own by user test and group test
09:37<houms>nevemrind it is bad documentation. there is conflicting info on the debian broadcom wiki
09:37<CrZyWiz>Excuse me guys, how do i edit the autostart list in xubuntu?
09:37<houms>danols please psatebin script
09:38<houms>crzywiz you are probably better off asking in ubuntu
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09:38<houms>you may want to try xfce4-autostart-editor
09:38<danols_work>pwd > livezone.dir
09:38<danols_work>dir=$(cat livezone.dir)
09:38<danols_work>echo "* * * * * $dir/y2kupdate >/dev/null 2>&1" > cron.d
09:38<danols_work>crontab cron.d
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09:40<monkeyking>hello everybody.. not sure if I am in the right place, but here goes.. I have installed libreoffice 3.4.3 from debian-backports and hunspell-en-us and it works great. But, I cannot get the thesaurus (and synonyms) and hyphenation to work. According to some google research I need mythen-* and hyphen-* packages, but I can't seem to find them anywhere.. does any of you know how to get thesaurus and hyphenation running in libreoffice 3.4.3?
09:41<danols_work>where can I find SSH logs?
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09:42<houms>its not mythen i believe it is mythes-thesaurus-*
09:43<houms>ssh logs should be in /var/log/secure, but you should check your sshd config file to confirm
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09:43<bjb>danols_work: /var/log/auth.log
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09:44<monkeyking>yes mythes, sorry.. mythes-thesaurus-* is not available. Only package available is libmythes-1.2-0 and it is installed..
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09:45<danols_work>when there is an incorrect login in ssh what string should I look for ?
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09:47<danols_work>the script is in a user home directory TEST is that default user?
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09:52<danols_work>is there any way to see the password set on a user account
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09:52<project2501a>danols_work: no.
09:52<project2501a>that's the whole point.
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09:54<danols_work>is there something that install default user test
09:54<project2501a>huh? what do you mean?
09:55<danols_work>the user that has been hacked is user TEST
09:55<danols_work>thats where the file was
09:55<danols_work>is that part of a default install for anything ?
09:55<project2501a>dude, i got no idea what you are talking about, and frankly, you should be talking to your sysadmin.
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09:56<danols_work>a user test
09:56<danols_work>username test
09:56<danols_work>is that a created by deafult by anything ?
09:56<project2501a>not that i know of
09:56<project2501a>again, you should be talking to your sysadmin.
09:58<danols_work>i know
09:58<danols_work>but please bear with me
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09:59<danols_work>is there a way to find out exactly when a file was created or that can be changed as well
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10:00<grove>danols_work: There is no timestamps on a file that can't be changed.
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10:23<rhiamom>Pardon me for asking a stupid noob question. The Linux Compatibility HowTo is sadly out of date. I want to know if I will be running into any issues installing Squeeze on my computer. AMD Phenom II x6, Radeon 6570 video, Realtek sound and Internet. I recall Realtek was well supported in the ancient past when I used Debian (when Etch was unstable) as were ATI video cards and AMD processors.
10:25<abrotman>it really depends on the exxact model
10:25<abrotman>and the video card should be okay i think ..
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10:26<rhiamom>The Windows device manager is singularly unhelpful when it comes to ascertaining chipsets...
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10:27<kop>rhiamom: Generally the old stuff works, but the easiest thing to do is try it. If you don't want to touch the hd then use a live cd.
10:27<rhiamom>I suppose I'll just give it a go, and deal with any issues. It's not like I wasn't a Debian distro whore for 7 years.
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10:29<rhiamom>and I thank you, abrotman and kop
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10:55<Guest17906>can anyone recommend a good package to burn video_ts to dvd ?
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10:57<Guest17906>can anyone recommend a good package to burn video_ts to dvd?
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10:59<pyRite>I like k3b Guest17906
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11:18<fb>is kernel 3.x going to get backported to squeeze at any point soon?
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11:21<project2501a>hm. there is this software, called "platform lsf" . it a batch scheduler . it has a bunch of /bin/sh scripts. the company claims that the scripts are sh compatible, only they got horrible bashisms. now, i want to re-write the scripts in dash. and distribute them as part of the main debian distro. i also want to make a package, which allows sysadmins to repackage this software in .deb format, to use in their own installations. would that be a good
11:21<project2501a> idea?
11:21<project2501a>gnugr: kot kot kot
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11:31<fish_>during the upgrade grub-pc, grub-setup was run: grub-setup --force --directory=/boot/grub --device-map=/boot/grub/ /dev/sda
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11:31<fish_>and it still hangs there - since about a month
11:31<fish_>it's in a uninterruptable sleep state
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11:32<fish_>lsof shows that it has /dev/mapper/control and /dev/sda open
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11:35<fish_>I'm not sure if it's a good idea to reboot the system in that state
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11:37<fish_>in dmesg I have a call trace for that as well
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11:45<touil>Hi everybody. Does someone know how to install a quickcam express on a debian squeeze ? Thanks in advance for you answers.
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11:46<laarmen>touil: stupid question, but did you try plug it in and start your favorite webcam client software ?
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11:50<touil>Yes. It looks like the module is installed. But when I start cheese or vlc, I only see a black screen.
11:51<touil>How could I know if my webcam is correctly installed ?
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11:52<laarmen>What does dmesg says ?
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11:55<touil>Cheese says :
11:55<touil>cheese[3031]: segfault at 8 ip 08057f93 sp bf8f0700 error 4 in cheese[8048000+24000]
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11:55<touil>I don't know if this is what you asked for.
11:55<touil>(Sorry, I'm a real newbie)
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12:00<laarmen>Ouch, segfault. Not good.
12:00<laarmen>There's a bug somewhere in cheese, I'm afraid.
12:01<laarmen>(and no, that wasn't what I meant)
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12:01<laarmen>But wait. you said vlc didn't work either ?
12:01<touil>vlc[3053]: segfault at 69 ip b759c49f sp b473f7dc error 4 in[b7529000+140000]
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12:02<touil>Maybe it's when I tried the TV-tuner card.
12:02<touil>Anyway, I don't know how to check whether the driver for my webcam is properly installed or not.
12:02<laarmen>Ok, I'm going to bet on crappy driver.
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12:04<laarmen>If there is no linux driver on the manufactor website, you most probably have to rely on the ones provided by default within the kernel.
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12:05<laarmen>Do you have the default squeeze kernel or a backport version ?
12:05<batouzo>how to install normal man reader?
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12:05<laarmen>batouzo: the man reader of the man command ?
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12:07<touil>I have the default squeeze kernel. I followed a tutorial and install the qc-usb driver in the synaptics thing, which is suitable for my webcam model, it seems.
12:08<batouzo>laarmen: man anything reads the man page via "more" program, while I would like something that has a search / function and scrolling up/down
12:08<batouzo>laarmen: it is so since I installed minimalistic system
12:09<laarmen>batouzo: Do you have less installed ?
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12:09<batouzo>laarmen: oh now it works. thanks
12:09<laarmen>You're welcome
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12:10<gsouque>i try to configure xen hypervisor on debian 6 but i have an issue whith libvirt. at startup of the hypervisor domU marked with autostart flag don't start.
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12:14<gnugr>gsouque: read this " " and /join #debian-xen
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12:18<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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12:19<laarmen>Arf, too slow...
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12:25<darkcore>hey, I have a question: I have a computer with no CD-ROM drive. And I'm trying to install debian on it. However, I tried with unetbootin and the netinst image on a USB stick. This fails as the installer doesn't find a CD-ROM drive. What do I do?
12:26<sney>darkcore: the squeeze netinstall iso can be written directly to a usb device
12:26<retrospectacus>darkcore: forget unetboootin, create your usb like this: cat /path/to/netinst.iso > /dev/sdb
12:26<retrospectacus>where sdb is your usb stick!
12:26<sney>or if you're on windows,
12:27<darkcore>but this won't fix the problem with it not being able to detect a CD-ROM drive, right?
12:27<darkcore>as there is no CD-ROM drive in the box
12:27<sney>no that issue is most likely due to unetbootin doing something stupid
12:27<retrospectacus>it should, I did exactly this not 1 week ago and it worked great
12:27<sney>I have a couple production servers that have no cdrom drives and installed this way with no issue as well
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12:29<darkcore>hmm worth a try I guess
12:29<darkcore>so basically just unpack the iso to the USB then?
12:29<retrospectacus>not unpack.
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12:30<retrospectacus>with the command I gave you or the windows tool sney gave you
12:30<eightyeight># dd if=/path/to/netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb
12:30<retrospectacus>or that!
12:30<eightyeight># md5sum /path/to/netinst.iso /dev/sdb
12:30<eightyeight>make sure they match when you're done
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12:31<darkcore>cool. I'll give it a try. I haven't balled around much with ISOs. Only burning to CDs or installing with USB on boxes that actually have CD-ROM drives :)
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12:41<retrospectacus>I am having a problem with audio, am unable to record from the mic. This is the second audio card I've tried and I'm wondering if there is anything I should be cleaning up after taking the first one out
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12:43<retrospectacus>judd: pciid 13f6:8788
12:44<judd>[13f6:8788] is 'CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio]' from 'C-Media Electronics Inc' with kernel modules 'snd-oxygen', 'snd-virtuoso', 'snd-hifier' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-oxygen', 'snd-virtuoso', 'snd-hifier' module.
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12:45<gnugr>can't you see your mic in sound settings?
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12:47<jthomas>My 'sudo' isn't working any more, any ideas? I can't 'sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart'
12:47<jthomas>but i can run 'sudo su -' to become root, just fine
12:48<gnugr>jthomas:you don't need sudo with debian
12:48<sney>well maybe he wants it
12:48<sney>jthomas: what does it say when you try to run a command with sudo?
12:48<darkcore>hey! it seems to work! thanks a bunch :D
12:49<sney>darkcore: no problem
12:50<gnugr>sney: with root terminal sudo works anyway
12:50<jthomas>yes, i don't need it, but i do want it. with Samba:
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12:51<sney>jthomas: did you recently update sudo, and get a message asking if you wanted to replace your /etc/sudoers with the new one?
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12:53<retrospectacus>sorry I got distracted
12:53<retrospectacus>I don't have any DE for "sound settings" but I can adjust the mic in alsamixer
12:53<gnugr>check for alsa-source modules
12:54<jthomas>no; as I mentioned, I can 'sudo su -' fine. I can also 'sudo aptitude update' but installing with 'sudo aptitude install ___' gives these errors:
12:54<retrospectacus>/etc/modprobe.d# grep alsa-source * -> nothing
12:55<retrospectacus># lsmod |grep alsa-source -> also nothing
12:55<gnugr>use m-a
12:55<valdyn>retrospectacus: why are you looking for alsa-source ?
12:55<sney>retrospectacus: that's not the name of the modules. I think gnugr is suggesting you rebuild alsa
12:55<retrospectacus>valdyn: gnugr asked about it
12:55<laarmen>jthomas: You should have a file like /etc/sudoers.dkpg-new
12:55<retrospectacus>oh... do what now?
12:55<sney>jthomas: does your /etc/sudoers contain the following lines?
12:56<sney>Defaults env_reset
12:56<sney>Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
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12:56<laarmen>jthomas: nevermind, sney superseded me :)
12:56*sney suspects someone has stolen retrospectacus's computer
12:56<jthomas>sney: i have the file 'sudoers.dpkg-dist' but not -new . I do have the ' Defaults env_reset' but not the next one
12:57<jthomas>not the 'secure path'
12:57<sney>jthomas: add the secure path line and your problem will be solved
12:57<jthomas>thanks much!!!!
12:57<retrospectacus>sney: nope it's me, the cold guy... I don't know much about alsa :P
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12:58<sney>retrospectacus: install module-assistant and run m-a a-i alsa-source. the version of alsa in squeeze is slightly older than the one available in apt, so you're actually getting a minor upgrade, and it tends to fix these "all mixer settings are fine but still $thing has no sound" issues
12:59<retrospectacus>cool, thanks. I have backports sources too (2.6.39 kernel) should I use that?
12:59<sney>oh you're already on a new kernel?
13:00<retrospectacus>yep 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64
13:00<sney>hmm, crap, you have the upgraded version already then
13:00<nah>any ideas if today testing netinstall images are broken or it dont like only my pc? after waiting for /dev to become fully populateg it went to blank screen and stopped to boot without any message
13:01<sney>nah: it's recommended to install the base system with the squeeze installer and then upgrade if you want to use testing. the testing installer is still... well, you just found out
13:01<retrospectacus>sney: should I try it anyways? I had a different sound card in here when I installed that kernel
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13:02<sney>retrospectacus: yeah, it might be worth a shot anyway
13:03<nah>sney: ok i will try this way :D thanks, will do this tomorrow
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13:06<retrospectacus>sney: the build failed
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13:06<retrospectacus>/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/hwdep.c:25:28: error: linux/smp_lock.h: No such file or directory
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13:07<sney>retrospectacus: sorry, don't know then, and it would be a downgrade anyway. try a different tack - are there any relevant-looking options available when you run modinfo on your sound modules?
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13:11<retrospectacus>sney: I think no:
13:11<retrospectacus>what does judd mean by "out of tree"?
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13:12<gnugr>retrospectacus: that failed because m-a needs to update, then to prepere and then to select, only m-a a-i sure will fail without updates
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13:13<SynrG>out-of-tree modules are those which do not ship with the kernel
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13:14<retrospectacus>SynrG: but it appears they do
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13:15<cristiano>terminate xserver?
13:15<cristiano>how can i do?
13:16<retrospectacus>cristiano: invoke your DM's initscript with "stop" - e.g. "service gdm stop" or "/etc/init.d/kdm stop"
13:20<retrospectacus>gnugr: did all that with m-a and it still fails to compile
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13:22<gnugr>you have alsa-base and alsa-oss installed?
13:22<retrospectacus>gnugr: I have alsa-base, source and utils but not oss
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13:24<gnugr>get alsa-oss too
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13:26<gnugr>and check advanced options in sound settings for mic
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13:27<retrospectacus>I'll give it a shot in a bit... right now I'm concerned about the build failing - says linux/smp_lock.h does not exist which I believe *should* be in the linux-headers package which I do have installed
13:29<retrospectacus>but I guess the 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 does not have that - does it mean I have to tell m-a to adjust somehow or ?
13:30<gnugr>i had familiar prob with my cam 'n sound on cheese and skype. solved with w32codecs
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13:31<gnugr>that happened with wheezy
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13:31<gnugr>same kernel
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13:31<retrospectacus>hmm well I am trying to record WAV using arecord, should need any codecs
13:32<retrospectacus>should not*
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13:45<cyrusnk>I did a dist-upgrade from squeeze 6.0.3 to wheezy and the upgrade stops with Could not perform imediate configuration of libgstreamer. i searched the net but i didn't find a fix. Anyone can help me?
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13:46<sney>cyrusnk: wheezy support goes to #debian-next
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13:56<cristiano>who's knows how update the nvida'driver for NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 PRO64 on XUBUNTU?
13:57<retrospectacus>cristiano: not us, we use debian! Please go to an ubuntu channel
13:57<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc cristiano
13:57<dpkg>cristiano: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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13:58<cristiano>AND WHERE IS IT?
13:58<retrospectacus>dpkg JUST TOLD YOU and keep your voice down
13:58<dpkg>retrospectacus: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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14:23<hb8>when i try to install debian Wheezy with cd or dvd; it didnt install GRUB and other packages. It only install standart base system. How can install wheezy with cd or dvd ?
14:23<hb8>hi? is there anyone ?
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14:24<retrospectacus>hb8: the wheezy installer is not ready. Install squeeze and upgrade if you need to
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14:29<Lantizia>Can I lookup what packages each task installs? (I'm talking about the tasks you see on tasksel)
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14:35<Black_Prince>tasksel --task-packages <tasksel command> (ie webserver, desktop, standard, laptop)
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14:38<Lantizia>Black_Prince, thanks :)
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14:39<kristjan>is anyone using gnome 3?
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15:07<devil>shoot me, if syou ever see me using that :)
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15:11<ompaul>devil: was that a gnome 3 related shooting you were requesting?
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15:11<ompaul>devil: aiui, it comes with a gun with a single bullet and you can self(fatal_shoot) or some such ;-)
15:12*ompaul hides on the gnome fans by standing in the middle of the channel
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15:28<engla>are uuids required in fstab?
15:28<engla>my old powerpc isn't booting the latest debian 3.0 and now 3.1 kernels (can't find root)
15:28<dondelelcaro>engla: you probably want to add them though
15:28<engla>dondelelcaro: ok, why?
15:28<cmr>engla: Device nodes might change. uuids are forever.
15:29<engla>well, could that be what happened with the kernels after 2.6.39
15:29<XeonBloomfield>Is there any option to run application in sandbox than SELinux?
15:30<engla>cmr: what happens to make the device nodes change?
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15:30<dondelelcaro>engla: you add a device, the drivers load in a different order, etc.
15:30<cmr>engla: New drivers, that happened in an update around April though. Addition or movement of disks around inside could cause device node to change.
15:31<engla>cmr: might be that then, the 2.6.39 is probably from before april
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15:31<cmr>No, 2.6.39 is fairly recent.
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15:32<XeonBloomfield>People - Linux + sandbox utility to run applications in it, anyone?
15:32<cmr>XeonBloomfield: What do you want to sandbox?
15:33<XeonBloomfield>cmr: I want to run application X, which creates a lot of things in for e.g. home dir in diff places - I want to get all that shit to one place
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15:36<XeonBloomfield>cmr: Ok, I get solution for that
15:37<ambrish>never do remove perl5 lololol
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15:37<ambrish>brb reinstall
15:37<XeonBloomfield>for time of executing it change $HOME to /tmp/xeon for e.g.
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15:39<cmr>XeonBloomfield: I don't know of any sandbox that lets you redirect file opens like that. But perhaps this can be better accomplished differently. What happens now, and what do you want to happen instead?
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15:40<XeonBloomfield>cmr: I want to direct all wine files to /tmp/xeon
15:40<XeonBloomfield>I'm nearly to do it
15:40<cmr>XeonBloomfield: instead of ~/.wine ?
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15:40<XeonBloomfield>cmr: I'm software developer, not a newbie
15:41<XeonBloomfield>cmr: all that thing like: /.local/share/applications/wine
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15:43<BE>XeonBloomfield: Is it possible that you start the application you want to change the file open calls for with a library of yours? Perhaps the way Valgrind does with memory allocations?
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15:45<XeonBloomfield>BE: You are taking about something like a proxy for specified calls through your lib?
15:45<BE>I think Valgrind somehow changes the functions calls for malloc and free.
15:46<BE>Probably by changing the dynamic linking at the start of the program
15:46<cmr>BE: do you know if it uses LD_PRELOAD or glibc malloc hooks?
15:46<BE>I do not know how it works exactly.
15:46<XeonBloomfield>BE: Valgrind at all can do strange modifications in program memory
15:47<BE>I just thought that using this technique it would be possible for XeonBloomfield to change calls for open, close etc. to first call his wrapper functions.
15:47<XeonBloomfield>BE: It is possible, but it will make wine so unstable
15:48<BE>ah alright
15:48<cmr>XeonBloomfield: Why would it? Writing your own using ld_preload or even ptrace is the same as what a sandbox would be doing..
15:48<XeonBloomfield>cmr: SELinux has implementation for that
15:49<cmr>You said other than selinux.
15:49<XeonBloomfield>cmr: main goal - it has to be simple, more advanced things = slower wine
15:49<cmr>XeonBloomfield: A custom open(2) wouldn't slow things down much if at all.
15:49<BE>Hmmm why do you want to do it at all? I joined later so I was not able to follow your motivation.
15:50<XeonBloomfield>cmr: I am checking wine env variables to try to fake wine only one time
15:50<BE>I just think from your explanation that something simple like setting WINEPREFIX or setting a symlink is not enough.
15:50<XeonBloomfield>BE: WINEPREFIX only changes ".wine" to something other
15:51<XeonBloomfield>BE: I do not want things like ".local/share/applications/wine", ".local/share/desktop-directories/wine*", etc...
15:51<BE>ah I see
15:51<XeonBloomfield>Is there standard env variable where ".local" is stored?
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15:51<engla>XeonBloomfield: there is XDG_DATA_HOME for ~/.local/share
15:52<engla>XeonBloomfield: and matching XDG_CACHE_HOME and XDG_CONFIG_HOME no guarantee that they are used, but glib etc knows them
15:52<XeonBloomfield>changing $HOME to /tmp/xeon from /home/xeon changes only standard WINEPREFIX to /tmp/xeon/.wine
15:52<XeonBloomfield>/home/xeon/.local/... is still used
15:53<engla>anyone have a good strategy for how to find out why the new kernel does not find the root disk? The disk works (I'm on .39 kernel now) and it reads the kernel off of it.
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15:55<XeonBloomfield>engla: My env has only declated $XDG_DATA_DIRS which has value: "/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share/gdm/"
15:55<cmr>engla: check grub, see if it's configured properly with the root. Perhaps the initrd is out of date.
15:55<engla>XeonBloomfield: the others aren't normally defined by default
15:56<engla>cmr: it's powerpc, there is no grub there is an old thing called yaboot
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15:56<engla>cmr: what I know, the root is configured correctly, but it uses a /dev name
15:56<engla>the only difference from the working boot is the path to initrd and vmlinux images
15:57<engla>but maybe the initrd is busted yeah
15:57<cmr>What filesystem are you using? iirc an unsupported filesystem might cause that.
15:57<cmr>definitely not that then.
15:58<XeonBloomfield>xeon@desktop:~$ wine VLCPortable_1.1.11.paf.exe
15:58<XeonBloomfield>- /home/xeon/.local/share
15:58<XeonBloomfield>- /usr/local/share/
15:58<XeonBloomfield>- /usr/share/
15:58<XeonBloomfield>- /usr/share/gdm/
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15:58<XeonBloomfield_>engla: Did you get that?
15:59<engla>XeonBloomfield_: until the kick yes
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15:59<engla>but I don't get it, no :-)
15:59<XeonBloomfield_>ending at "- /usr/share/gdm/"
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15:59<XeonBloomfield_>it seems like $XDG_DATA_HOME
15:59<engla>it probably respects XDG_DATA_HOME if you set it
15:59<XeonBloomfield_>yeah xD
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16:00<engla>that it is in .local/share is after all an indication of that
16:00<engla>even if some apps probably just hardcode it
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16:01<XeonBloomfield_>engla: funny but I did it at the first time
16:01<XeonBloomfield_>engla: XDG_DATA_HOME = $HOME/.local/share
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16:01<XeonBloomfield_>when I changed HOME to /tmp/xeon - everything changed
16:01<XeonBloomfield_>wine shown "/home/xeon/.local/share"
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16:02<XeonBloomfield_>but it was really /tmp/xeon/.local/share
16:02<engla>cmr: I don't like that ext3 is not compiled in though
16:02<XeonBloomfield_>engla: It was wine visual bug
16:02<engla>cmr: it's in initrd too
16:02<engla>XeonBloomfield_: sounds good
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16:05<XeonBloomfield_>engla: Checkout that paste
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16:06<engla>ok. does it work?
16:06<XeonBloomfield_>engla: no
16:07<XeonBloomfield_>engla: instead of "~" in wineprefix should be $right_home
16:07<XeonBloomfield_>engla: without it WINEPREFIX = "/home/xeon/wine/sandbox/home/wine/sandbox"
16:07<engla>I don't use wine so I don't understand that much of this
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16:09<jordanm>XeonBloomfield_: I think that playonlinux accomplishes what you are trying to do. perhaps their sourcecode will offer some hints
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16:09<XeonBloomfield_>engla: I set wine "config" dir to /home/xeon/wine/sandbox and it's "store" dir to /home/xeon/wine/sandbox/home
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16:09<XeonBloomfield_>jordanm: I want to use clean wine
16:10<XeonBloomfield_>jordanm: I know PlayOnLinux
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16:10<jordanm>XeonBloomfield_: upstream playonline bundles wine, but the version in debian uses debian's wine
16:10<XeonBloomfield_>jordanm: as you see... it is not necessary - I made it working at clean wine and bash
16:10<XeonBloomfield_>jordanm: I use own build of wine
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16:11<XeonBloomfield_>jordanm: I use Debian Squeeze and in repo I have Wine 1.0.1-3.1
16:11<XeonBloomfield_>jordanm: I am using own build of Wine using latest stable Wine tarball
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16:12<byuu>Hi, I have the Debian Squeeze install DVD. Using a Quadro FX 580, which does not work with nouveau. Instantly when the disc starts, I get a black screen and can do nothing. Is there any way I can boot the install disc without nouveau?
16:13<astra_>where can i find the development package (debug information) of apt-get ? (apt-dev apparently does not exist)
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16:15<XeonBloomfield_>astra_: apt-get source code?
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16:15<Astra>XeonBloomfield_: probably
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16:16<Astra>i did experience segfaults with apt-get, but do not know where they come from
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16:16<Astra>i have a core file, but no debugging symbols
16:16<XeonBloomfield_>At top right select version od Debian which you use
16:16<XeonBloomfield_>download is on the bottom of the page
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16:22<XeonBloomfield_>have a nice day
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16:23<Astra>technically it is a ubuntu, but as debian seems to be the upstream provider of apt
16:23<Astra>as i cannot find *any* stripped debug information for apt :/
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16:39<EmleyMoor>How do I manage identities (outgoing addresses) on icedove?
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16:40<cmr>EmleyMoor: is Edit > Account Settings what you're looking for?
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16:40<EmleyMoor>Um.... it might be, but it's a question of "and then what?"
16:41<EmleyMoor>Ah, fousd
16:41<EmleyMoor>There's a button on that
16:41<cmr>The accounts are listed in the tree on the left, with the options to edit and then on the right is the editing things.
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16:42<EmleyMoor>cmr: It's the "Manage Identities..." button I needed... kept missing it
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16:44<Astra>well, bug was in input.. specified wrong gdb parameters *selffail*
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16:46<batouzo>hoe to set video mode used by KMS?
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16:49<batouzo>Torsten_W: what are possible options here?
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16:53<Torsten_W>batouzo, do i know your whishes?
16:54<Torsten_W>batouzo, your question is also less specific to give a right answer
16:55<batouzo>Torsten_W: my console is in 1280x1024 mode. dmesg | grep drm shows Im using KMS. So this console is in framebuffer mode?
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16:55<Torsten_W>batouzo, sure
16:55<batouzo>I would like to set some other mode for it, like 1024x768. or, how to see list of modes possible (on this gfx/monitor)?
16:56<batouzo>since text is too small, scrolls slowly, and flickers a lot
16:56<Torsten_W>batouzo, then add video=1024x768 as kernel-parameter
16:56<batouzo>in /etc/defaults/grub + update-grub ?
16:57<Torsten_W>batouzo, for a 1st test, i would edit the commandline on grub-prompt
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16:57<Torsten_W>batouzo, it it is fine for you, then /etc/default/grub
16:57<batouzo>there is no way to reconfigure already booted up console?
16:57<Torsten_W>batouzo, no
16:58<batouzo>would you recommend to use FB also for the X server, instead of radeon opensource driver?
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16:58<batouzo>for stability, security
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16:59<cmr>framebuffer is slow.
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16:59<batouzo>it's one of servers. rarely one might attach monitor to it to do some administation
17:00<batouzo>some for of X is wanted just to have option to see what VMs are doing )e.g. how they boot up)
17:00<cmr>For that why not set up vnc or use it as an X server?
17:00<batouzo>VNC on the host? idea was that it runs absolutely 0 services
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17:01<batouzo>on the guests - will not catch bootup
17:01<batouzo>but this sounds like an idea too, cmr
17:02<tomlabirt>is there anybody here who knows how can install the boost1.44 package?
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17:02<batouzo>how to have my server send all logs into remote location (other linux box), in secure and quick way (e.g. so that no one can tamper with logs even if machine compromised)
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17:03<EmleyMoor>tomlabirt: You mean instead of, or as well as, 1.42?
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17:04<tomlabirt>EmleyMoor: instead of 1.42
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17:06<EmleyMoor>tomlabirt: It's not available - 1.42 is in stable and 1.46 in testing
17:06<batouzo>tomlabirt: building from source is not that hard. remember to get jam packet first . also #boost
17:07<byuu>Is there any way to get just GCC 4.6 on Squeeze? Won't allow me to pull it from Wheezy without removing GNOME 2 and downloading GNOME 3 ...
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17:09<engla>byuu: it should be possible without removing gnome 2, that's for sure
17:09<batouzo>Torsten_W: video=1024x768 seems to be ignored.
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17:10<byuu>I could live with having GNOME 3 even though I don't want it, but would prefer if it were avoidable.
17:10<Torsten_W>batouzo, where have you put this?
17:11<sney>normally backporting is how you get software from testing into stable without damaging stable, but backporting gcc would not be easy
17:11<batouzo>Torsten_W: edited option in grub2, edited the main line
17:11<sney>or at the very least it would not be fast
17:11<batouzo>how to see from runtime what options where used in boot
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17:12<Torsten_W>cat /proc/cmdline
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17:12<byuu> <- that's what I get when trying to install it
17:12<batouzo>Torsten_W: ok that option was not used... let me trt again then.
17:12<byuu>if I try and update (install) libglib2.0-0, it tries to download all of GNOME 3
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17:13<sney>byuu, did you add wheezy sources to sources.list to get that? it's really a bad idea to mix stable and testing
17:13<Torsten_W>batouzo, you have to put that in the kernel-line
17:13<Torsten_W>batouzo, since this is a kernel-parameter
17:13<byuu>I'd like to not do that, however stable does not have gcc-4
17:14<byuu>And I absolutely need that, all of my personally developed software requires lambdas added in 4.5
17:14<batouzo>worked, thanks to
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17:15<sney>byuu: ok, so look into backporting, or run wheezy. those are your choices. trying to install wheezy software in squeeze will either break your system or just plain not work
17:15<engla>byuu: check backports first. maybe aptitude can resolve it better (make it more clear why you get conflicts)
17:15<sney>byuu: if you run wheezy and don't want gnome3, there are loads of other wm/de options available
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17:15<sney>a lot of gnome2 fans are switching to xfce
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17:16<byuu>I specifically want GNOME 2. I use gedit+gnome-system-monitor+file-roller, no good Xfce alternatives
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17:16<byuu>And all of Xfce's themes do not work with GNOME 3, so I have to get a different theme, and honestly ... all of the GNOME 3 themes are ugly
17:16<byuu>makes the apps stand out like a sore thumb
17:16<engla>I'm trying to hold back on gtk3-upgraded programs.
17:17<sney>byuu: then see dpkg's response that I'm about to trigger:
17:17<byuu>How do I check backports for gcc-4.6, if you don't mind?
17:17<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
17:18<sney>,checkbackport gcc-4.6
17:18<judd>Backporting package gcc-4.6 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.0~ubuntu4), binutils (>= 2.21.51~) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.21.51~), libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~), libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~).
17:18<sney>looks like a bumpy road
17:18<byuu>backports does not have gcc-4.6
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17:19<byuu>Yes indeed. That's really shitty. I don't want to be stuck on Ubuntu 10.10 forever :(
17:20<engla>what about compiling vanilla gcc?
17:21<byuu>I'd be okay with trying it, if I could find good instructions
17:21<byuu>Google shows me a few attempts that ended in failure and didn't specifically even name the packages required
17:21<sney>gnu probably has build instructions for gcc, you could install it in /usr/local with stow to keep your system sane
17:21<sney>!stow usage
17:21<dpkg>A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>.
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17:22<EmleyMoor>I use xstow to manage local builds - it's an improved stow that doesn't even need perl
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17:28<cthuluh>the only thing I like when reading the xstow project page is "Automatically merging GNU-Info's 'dir' files."
17:29<cthuluh>maybe could that feature be backported into the original stow
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17:34<BitPuffin>I am trying to set up a C++ compiler but I'm not sure what to do
17:35<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: then you probably shouldn't. Why are you doing that?
17:35<BitPuffin>clang gave me hw.cpp:1:10: fatal error: 'iostream' file not found
17:35<BitPuffin>because non of them can find iostream?
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17:35<BitPuffin>gcc gave me even worse
17:35<BitPuffin>gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: File does not exist
17:36<cthuluh>you need some headers. something like libstdc++-foo-dev
17:36<retrospectacus>what are you trying to do?
17:36<cthuluh>ah, you don't even have a c++ compiler
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17:36<sney>setting up a c++ compiler in debian should be nothing more than 'aptitude install g++'
17:37<retrospectacus>or good old build-essential
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17:37<BitPuffin>I though gcc was enough
17:39<cthuluh>even gcc's c compiler requires a c++ compiler to be built
17:40<laarmen>IIRC, some parts of GCC are written in C++, while others are still in C
17:40<BitPuffin>okay now it seems to compile code wise
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17:40<BitPuffin>but now I get things like undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()
17:40<BitPuffin>probably because I don't have a .h file
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17:41<cthuluh>now you need the library...
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17:42<byuu>well here goes nothing, building 4.6.2 from source.
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17:42<byuu>should be done in 20 hours or so :D
17:42<cthuluh>BitPuffin: have you installed the build-essential package?
17:42<cthuluh>byuu: sounds like masochistic...
17:42<byuu>Indeed it is.
17:42<BitPuffin>I'm new to debian
17:43<cthuluh>so you didn't listen to retrospectacus. bad...
17:43<BitPuffin>I did
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17:43<laarmen>byuu: if you don't need, don't forget to disable multilib
17:43<BitPuffin>he said G++ or build-essential
17:43<BitPuffin>but I installed g++
17:44<laarmen>byuu: (and the languages you won't use, especially java...)
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17:45<BitPuffin>okay I have build essential and things like that
17:45<rss>BitPuffin, if you want to use clang as a c++ compiler use clang++
17:45<BitPuffin>still getting undefined reference
17:45<BitPuffin>rss oh?
17:45<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: what are you trying to compile?
17:46<BitPuffin>searching clang in the repo only gave me clang and no ++
17:46<BitPuffin>just a hello world program to test things out
17:46<rss>BitPuffin, clang is the C compiler clang++ is the c++ compiler
17:46<BitPuffin>maybe that was in the old days?
17:46<rss>BitPuffin, installing clang is all you need to do.
17:47<byuu>laarmen: I used ./configure --prefix=/opt/gcc-4.6.2 --disable-bootstrap CFLAGS="-g3 -O0" --enable-languages=c,c++ --disable-multilib --program-suffix=-4.6
17:47<BitPuffin>it's supposed to be C, C++, Objective-C
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17:48<rss>BitPuffin, exactly. that is why you do not need to install clang++ you need to invoke it as clang++
17:48<BitPuffin>rss, no. Because then it doesn't find <iostream>
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17:49<BitPuffin>that gave me the file and all
17:49<BitPuffin>but it's called a.out?
17:49<rss>BitPuffin, use the -o <filename> option
17:50<BitPuffin>thanks rss
17:50<byuu>well that seems to have worked very well ... now to install dev libraries and test it
17:51<rss>BitPuffin, You're welcome.
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17:53<laarmen>byuu: And you need 20 hours for that ? oO
17:54<laarmen>Are you compiling on a netbook ? (I actually had to do that once... Never again)
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17:55<byuu>and it works :D
17:55<byuu>Well, it took me 20 hours to build gcc-4.6 via macports on my Mac Mini
17:55<byuu>this only took 20 minutes, go figure
17:55<byuu>happy surprise
17:56<laarmen>Sounds more like it
17:56<BitPuffin>by the way, I have an Mbox 3 mini. It doesn't work by default. Does anyone know what I need to be able to use it?
17:56<byuu>one last stupid question ... any way to add /opt/gcc-4.6/bin to my environment path permanently?
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17:56<byuu>(I can copy the binaries to /usr/bin too, of course)
17:56<laarmen>sensible-editor .bashrc
17:57<rss>BitPuffin, what is a Mbox 3 mini
17:57<retrospectacus>byuu: you can add it in /etc/profile or various other places that adjust PATH
17:57<rss>byuu maybe a symlink?
17:57<BitPuffin>rss, Audio interface
17:57<rss>retrospectacus, byuu : yes that is better
17:58<babilen>byuu: Just set the PATH, there is no reason whatsoever to fiddle with symlinks.
17:58<byuu>good enough then, thanks
17:58<BitPuffin>sound card
17:58<byuu>yeah, i explicitly ask for gcc-4.6 in my makefiles
17:58<rss>BitPuffin, does not sound familiar. are ther no alsa drivers?
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17:58<retrospectacus>byuu: /usr/local/bin is preferred over /usr/bin also
17:58<BitPuffin>I think there might be
17:58<BitPuffin>it works in ubuntu
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17:59<BitPuffin>oh wait
17:59<BitPuffin>maybe apt-get alsa-utils
18:00<BitPuffin>hmm, allready had that
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18:02<rss>BitPuffin, my sound setup uses jackd and manullay compiled drivers from alsa source when needed. I have never heard of the Mbox 3 mini. I cannot help further on that. Maybe someone else here can.
18:02<BitPuffin>well, thanks anyway!
18:02<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: run "lspci -nn", copy the line which is your sound card, and paste it here. We may at least be able to confirm whether is supported.
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18:03<BitPuffin>well that's one big list haha
18:04<orkester>will this list help?
18:04<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: that's your hardware. Just look for the line about the sound card and paste it here
18:04<BitPuffin>but there's one built in
18:05<BitPuffin>and one external
18:05<BitPuffin>anyways here is a full paste
18:05<BitPuffin>I'll keep looking though
18:05<rss>BitPuffin, so paste them both
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18:05<BitPuffin>just in case someone feel like trying to find it before me :)
18:06<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: there's no Mbox whatever there.... is it a USB thing?
18:06<BitPuffin>yeah a USB interface
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18:07<jaidormi>hi everyone. does anyone here know how to get KMS virtual consoles to rotate their picture?
18:07<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: run "lsusb" and paste its line here please
18:08<BitPuffin>nothing says Mbox or avid here either
18:08<BitPuffin>but I think I know which one it might be
18:08<rss>BitPuffin, Pastebin!
18:08<BitPuffin>probably the one on line 8?
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18:09<rss>BitPuffin, looks like 0dba:5001 is your device
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18:10<BitPuffin>yep that's what I was guessing
18:11<retrospectacus>I got nothing
18:11<rss>BitPuffin, maybe jfgi on 0dba:5001 + linux wil help point you in the right direction
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18:12<BitPuffin>jfgi didn't exist?
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18:12<rss>BiG_NoBoDy, jfgi just F* google it
18:12<rss>oopd BiG_NoBoDy sorry was meant for BitPuffin
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18:13<BitPuffin>Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis!
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18:13<retrospectacus>yeah they probably know what driver to use ;)
18:13<BitPuffin>I'm an idiot
18:13<rss>BitPuffin, no, "just f* google it"
18:14<BitPuffin>got nothing
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18:15<rss>BitPuffin, I guess no linux driver in your kernel yet. possibly no identifier for your hw in the usb database yet either.
18:15<rss>minh0, Hi yourself
18:15<BitPuffin>too bad :(
18:15<BitPuffin>weird that it works in Ubuntu though
18:16<retrospectacus>it might just need a newer kernel, you could try the backports one
18:16<rss>BitPuffin, what does lsusb and lsmod on ubuntu say?
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18:16<BitPuffin>no Idea, Ubuntu isn't installed anymore
18:16<BitPuffin>Had decided to go debian instead :)
18:16<rss>BitPuffin, ubuntu livecd?
18:16<BitPuffin>but I'll give it a go when Linux mint 12 comes out
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18:17<BitPuffin>I would do that
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18:17<BitPuffin>sort of time to go to bed now though :(
18:17<rss>BitPuffin, I hear a but comeing
18:18<BitPuffin>well it's 00:18 and I have school at 8:30
18:18<rss>BitPuffin, backports kernel is something you could try
18:18<rss>BitPuffin, just as retrospectacus said
18:18<babilen>BitPuffin: "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
18:18<BitPuffin>oh I missed that one
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18:19<rss>BitPuffin, what one?
18:19<BitPuffin>the thing that retrospectacus wrote!
18:20<BitPuffin>what does /msg dpkg bdo kernel do?
18:20<rss>BitPuffin, look at babilen's comment also
18:20<retrospectacus>ya just type what babilen said and the dpkg robot will tell you how to get the backport kernel
18:20<rss>babilen, \o/ ?
18:21<babilen>rss: Picture two arms raised upwards in a gesture of happiness
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18:21<rss>babilen, got it now :)
18:21<pumafyre>Has anyone here successfully installed MintMenu into Squeeze?
18:22<babilen>pumafyre: What is mintmenu?
18:22<rss>pumafyre, what is mintmenu
18:22*retrospectacus was imagining babilen waving his arms to get BitPuffin's attention
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18:22<BitPuffin>sorry! I'm kinda tired :(
18:22<rss>retrospectacus, yep got that one alse <grin?
18:22<BitPuffin>doing my best though
18:22<pumafyre>babilen: rss it's the default menu in linux mint
18:23<pumafyre>it's slick as heck
18:23<spacemouse>pumafyre: there's steps how to do it online.. they package it as a deb
18:23<pumafyre>for gnome
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18:23<pumafyre>spacemouse: thankx, I'm following those instructions and it's not showing up in my "add to panel" selections
18:23<spacemouse>(and make it available for other distros to use)
18:23<pumafyre>spacemouse: yeah, I just downloaded it
18:23<babilen>pumafyre: You can probably compile the source package and install it on squeeze -- No idea how to get hold of mint's source package though.
18:24<spacemouse>pumafyre: hmmm wait a minute.. i have some docs on it somewhere let me look it up
18:24<pumafyre>babilen: I already downloaded it and extracted it, I'm new to squeeze though and may not have done it correctly
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18:25<pumafyre>when I download .deb packages, what directory should I extract them into?
18:26<retrospectacus>you are supposed to install them like: dpkg -i foo.deb
18:26<rss>Got to go guys. My bed is calling come to me! Well the occupant already there is ;) CUL8R
18:26<retrospectacus>rss: enjoy :)
18:26<rss>retrospectacus, Will ! thanx
18:27<babilen>pumafyre: You would install it with "dpkg -i" -- But be warned: That might or might not work as the packaging has not been done for squeeze and the package might declare a plethora of dependencies that are not satisfiable in Squeeze/Debian. For all we know it might even play Mozart for the next two hours. I would therefore recommend to download the source package and compile it locally. (probably adjusting some dependencies)
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18:27<retrospectacus>heh. Mozart.deb
18:27<pumafyre>babilen: thank you
18:27<babilen>pumafyre: The method to do that is detailed in "/msg dpkg package recompile" -- Lazy people would just install the package ;)
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18:28<pumafyre>phew. I love debian
18:28<spacemouse>pumafyre: instructions i have are to wget the debs from (mint-translations & mint-common & mintmenu) and install them using dpkg -i *.deb
18:29<babilen>spacemouse: No surprise there
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18:29<julian>QUESTION: I will set up a dedicated server with debian 6, I can download the CD 1 ... installed with this .. to install the basics with this .. or do you recommend? or a net install? it would be better? and faster? I guess the net install or what?
18:29<spacemouse>babilen: nope. but slightly dangerous advice is they were anything other than self-contained config files
18:30<spacemouse>julian: netinstall
18:30<dondelelcaro>julian: if you have a reasonable network connection, use the netinst, but it doesn't really matter
18:30<babilen>pumafyre: You can try that, but we can not support their packaging and your system might just go *puff* -- It probably won't but I personally prefer to investigate the packaging and check that the dependencies are satisfiable.
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18:30<julian>dondelelcaro, thanks
18:30<spacemouse>he's gone..
18:30<BitPuffin>where is the place where you change the update thing to stable?
18:31<BitPuffin>instead of following 6?
18:31<BitPuffin>just need to know because I'm gonna have a debian server later on in life
18:31<retrospectacus>6 is stable
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18:31<babilen>BitPuffin: Could you paraphrase that question as I don't understand it
18:31<retrospectacus>as of now. but "6" is not valid in any case
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18:32<BitPuffin>well I heard that there is some file with different setting where you can change what debian will update
18:32<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: your answer is probably "/etc/apt/sources.list"
18:33<BitPuffin>by default it updates from the distro version (6), you are supposed to change it to "stable" or something
18:33<BitPuffin>and you will not have to worry about redeploying
18:34<BitPuffin>because it will upgrade to 7 when it comes out
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18:34<BitPuffin>yeah this is probably correct
18:34<BitPuffin>maybe you changed "main" to "stable"
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18:35<retrospectacus>BitPuffin: you seem slightly confused, the numbers are not relevant, but you can track "stable" or "squeeze" which are the same now but stable will be wheezy once it is released.
18:35<retrospectacus>don't touch "main" you'll regret it
18:35<BitPuffin>yeah that's what I ment
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18:36<BitPuffin>basically find and replace squeeze with stable?
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18:37<retrospectacus>umm I'm not sure if stable will work on sources like squeeze/updates and backports but yeah basically
18:38<retrospectacus>then run apt-get update - if it fails on anything you'll have to adjust
18:38<BitPuffin>I see
18:38<BitPuffin>not gonna do that now though :)
18:38<BitPuffin>just needed to write it down
18:38<retrospectacus>sure thing, have a good night
18:39<BitPuffin>you too
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18:39<BitPuffin>goodnight everyone, and thanks for being patient(not sure if spelled right) :)
18:39<babilen>BitPuffin: It is a bad idea to use "stable" instead of the actual names as you will probably upgrade to the next release without the necessary preparation.
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18:39<BitPuffin>babilen how do you mean?
18:40<retrospectacus>patient is correct :)
18:40<babilen>BitPuffin: It is very much recommended to use the names and follow the release notes of the next release and *not* to be surprised by it.
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18:41<BitPuffin>but will I have to reinstall?
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18:41<retrospectacus>not at all, it just won't upgrade your system unexpectedly, you get to do it when you are ready
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18:42<BitPuffin>makes sense
18:42<babilen>BitPuffin: No, you just follow the release notes to upgrade. An upgrade *might* be ore complicated than just installing a bunch of new packages.
18:42<retrospectacus>(by changing "squeeze" to "wheezy" and following the directions carefully)
18:42<babilen>And don't run into it unexpectedly
18:43<BitPuffin>well, thanks! goodnight :)
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19:14<Evollana>Hi, I am trying to check the signature on my tor bundle for linux as shown OK so 'Erinn Clark"
19:14<Evollana>looks fine
19:15<Evollana>now I dl the asc file
19:15<dondelelcaro>Evollana: why not just aptitude install tor; ?
19:15<Evollana>and did a gpg --verify for that asc file
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19:16<Evollana>dondelelcaro feels better using the bundle from Tor.
19:16<dondelelcaro>Evollana: why?
19:16<dondelelcaro>if you're that concerned about it, you can build from the Debian source package yourself after checking that the tarball signatures match up
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19:17<Evollana>dondelelcaro yes I dont want a daemon on my system. Just want a static bundle. I use Debian (testing)
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19:19<Evollana>thing is that when I do gpg --verify blah blah for the asc file I get a msg saying gpg: no signed data
19:19<Evollana>gpg: can't hash datafile: file open error
19:19<dondelelcaro>Evollana: not sure what you mean
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19:19<wide>what's the name of package to connect via wifi? my laptop doesn't see any antennas, but i have one in the family & there r others in the bldg. thanks
19:19<Evollana>dondelelcaro OK lets say I want to drop that folder on a USB
19:19<Evollana>at times
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19:20<dondelelcaro>tor is kind of pointless on a machine you don't control, but whatever works; anyway, you want gpg --verify foo.asc foo;
19:21<dondelelcaro>presumably after having gone gpg --recv-keys 63FEE659;
19:21<retrospectacus>wide: what's your wireless? /msg dpkg what's my wireless
19:21<Evollana>dondelelcaro I am wired and then piped though a VPN.
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19:23<damiano>hi there
19:24<Evollana>So I am using tor though my AES256 VPN. My friends and I all have VPN servers and clients and who is doing what is hard to say. Use OpenVPN on TomatoUSB (toastman) routers.
19:24<damiano>i wanna build a deb package out of bz2. I know, it's kinda tricky... but could you tell me how to do it?
19:24<damiano>i need it to fix StarDict google translate issue
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19:25<damiano>i've already fixed the wrong line in it, but now i have to build the sources
19:25<Evollana>damiano I guess the easy way would be to use checkinstall
19:25<damiano>hm... ok
19:25<Evollana>dhmake is the real way if you want to be anal about it
19:25<damiano>anal, eh..
19:26<Evollana>damiano if you want to send it to the Debian repos and maintain it
19:27<damiano>ah.. i see..
19:27<damiano>well it's weird that nobody has done it yet...
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19:29<damiano>ok.. here's what i have... stardict-3.0.1.tar.bz2
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19:29<damiano>now it's in Downloads folder. What would i do next?
19:29<damiano>checkinstall is installed.
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19:30<Evollana>damiano this will make a deb packet ./configure
19:30<Evollana>sudo checkinstall --pkgname=Tor --pkgversion=give_your_version --backup=no \
19:30<Evollana> --deldoc=yes --fstrans=no --default
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20:20<user8_>По горизонтали:
20:20<user8_>3.Специальная микросхема для управления внешним устройством.
20:20<user8_>6.Устройство, обеспечивающее выполнение логических и арифметических операций.
20:20<user8_>10.Жесткий диск.
20:20<user8_>11.Печатающее устройство.
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20:20<cmr>Did he say something naughty?
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20:21<damiano>it's a cutpaste from some technical PC guide
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20:21<damiano>but i really dunno why would he do that..
20:22<damiano>probably testing sometihng
20:22<babilen>Lets move on
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21:23<julian>I will install x2goserver .. debian 6 .. to give x2goserver aptitude install ... I get a lot of dependencies and things .. I want to install everything you need .. to put no problems after? as I can do?
21:24<TCW>julian, what is you native language?
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21:28<julian>TCW, Why? what happened?
21:29<TCW>julian, becauee I have trouble getting what you want...
21:29<f0rk>julian: your sentence isn't valid english :P
21:29<f0rk>there might be a debian channel that speaks your native language!
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21:30<sney>looks like he's already found debian-es. must be dead in there or something
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21:41<TCW>f0rk, apparently "not valid english" is not the issue, not really... but at least one has to have a clue what the other one wants. Tough thing with him for at least "me" :)
21:42<f0rk>TCW: true, but I've already told him how to solve his problem in #debian-es
21:42<f0rk>or at least I think, because I don't *actually* speak spanish :P
21:42<TCW>f0rk, *lol*
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21:43<mobius420>Hello #debian :)
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21:44<mobius420>I have spent the evening installing squeeze 6.0.3 to an HP touchpad and have to say this is really neat :)
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21:44<TCW>a whole evening fpr installing squeeze? What the hell went wrong?! :)
21:45<mobius420>well for me it was not a normal install, the HP touchpad device is a little finicky
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21:46<mobius420> am still dealing with some weirdness with the x server
21:46<TCW>such as?
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21:46<mobius420>though did manage to get chrome running, am hoping to find a way to install a browser which supports flash
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21:47<TCW>mobius420, it is rather not a question of teh browser...
21:47<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
21:47<mobius420>:D thnks
21:48<TCW>gnash may not be very helpful for current web content. It only supports older flash-stuff... so I guess adobe flash is the way you want to go
21:50<mobius420>I am curious. I assume this touchpad is now running some version of linux built for ARM processors is this correct?
21:50<TCW>mobius420, yo should know what hardware you have there ;) anyhow, uname -r will tell you
21:51<TCW>and at least I think, with arm adobe flash is a no-go
21:51<mobius420>thanks :P
21:51<mobius420>is that right
21:52<TCW>adobe only supports x86
21:52<TCW>afaik :)
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22:10<julian>Question: free nx is free? (
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22:54<ml|>packages installed from bpo are updated automatically?
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23:00<abrotman>should be?
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23:00<cthuluh>starting with squeeze, yes
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23:03<ml|>cthuluh: thanks
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23:04<ml|>asked since I was not sure and IIRC before you had to add/edit a file for that to work
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