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---Logopened Wed Nov 23 00:00:28 2011
00:06<julian>hello
00:07<julian>Mount google chromium, entering this website in China. trend.eeff.com not let me view language correctly, someone could help me? funds or need to install?
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00:09<sney>julian: fonts
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00:19<batouzo>is there some smart GUI tool to manage LVM/
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00:19<batouzo>overall I need to shrink lv_home and use reclaimed PE space to grow lv_usr
00:19<batouzo>what would be the steps/command?
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00:21<TCW>batouzo, system-config-lvm, but I really suggest you learn the CLI way *first*!
00:22<batouzo>oki, lets do it the CLI way like a man
00:22<TCW>lvm is fairly simple to use, the commands needed are not that complicaed.
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00:23<TCW>batouzo, you already *know* what pv and lv means?
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00:24<batouzo>yeah I read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
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00:25<batouzo>growing / LVM (ext4) will be possible without livecd? need to do that too
00:25<TCW>lvscan gives you a first glimpse what lvs you have
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00:26<TCW>batouzo, I guess so... with ext3 it is possible to *increase* the size of a filesystem live, I guess the same applies for ext4
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00:27<TCW>but to *decrease* a filesystem you need to umount it (ext3, never used ext4 but I guess the same applies here as well). that means you have to have /home umounted, which means, no logged in user, only root, which means no X, which means noch GUI tool, which means cli work :)
00:28<TCW>s/noch/no/
00:28<batouzo>ok /home is smaller. now lvm lvresize ?
00:29<TCW>batouzo, don't ask for the exakt commands you need to type in a user you don't know. And apart from that, I have NO idea how your setups looks like right now ;)
00:30<TCW>batouzo, but you dia already decrease the size of the home *filesystem* or the home *logical volume*?
00:30<TCW>s/dia/did/
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00:33<batouzo>aaaand done. That was surprisingly easy after all.
00:34<TCW>batouzo, you're sure you did all in the correct order?
00:35<batouzo>unmount home, lvm shrink /home, resize2fs shrink /home, lvm grow /usr, fs grow /usr, lvm grow /, fs grow /, remount home
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00:36<TCW>batouzo, if that was the order you did it... /home may be broken now
00:36<TCW>the filesystem I mean
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00:36<batouzo>ah typo. First /home FS was shrinked, then LVM. as logical
00:37<TCW>ok then :)
00:38<batouzo>lvm shrink could be more intelligent and verify if the shrink is safe or not considering FS size... actually, how to verify that by hand (check exact how much space FS uses, to which block)?
00:38<batouzo>because now it seems to always warn on shrink regardless
00:39<TCW>batouzo, there are frontends available... but as said, it is wise to know how to do it manually
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00:41<TCW>batouzo, and no tool can be as smart as an educated user... see, the filesystem may be somewhat broken, be indicated to be smaller as it actually is. fsck could repair it or even damage it further... that means even the own fsck tool may be not smart enough to know all facts, how should a tool that has nothing to do with the fs be smart enough?
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00:42<batouzo>call fstune or fs* to have them returned probably size. Then say either "this operation SEEMS safe (based on fs.... output)" or "This operation will probably destroy your filesystem (see fs.... output - have ... need ... space) use --force-destroy to proceed anyway"
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00:44<TCW>batouzo, send patch ;)
00:45<TCW>but beare there are several filesystems and not only extN ;)
00:45<TCW>beware even
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02:24<Guest17972>anyone have time to run me through burning ts files to a playable dvd ?
02:24<Guest17972>new to nix here ;)
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02:27<batouzo>Guest17972: yea
02:27<batouzo>Guest17972: cdrecord -dao theimage.iso
02:27<batouzo>and that should be all. possible do it as root user or with sudo
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02:29<ompaul>Guest17972: or install the brilliant k3b put all your files in a project and tell it to burn -- what batouzo left out was the whole growiso thing which is useful to know on the command line
02:30<ompaul>batouzo: ts are steam rips aiui
02:31<batouzo>ompaul: hm?
02:31<ompaul>vis the question you answered
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02:31<ompaul>parts a and b you did b ;-)
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02:33<jm_>TS files (when it comes to DVD-s) are video/audio streams or somesuch
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03:03<cesurasean>hey guys trying to do apt-get install pacemaker on squeeze, and no success. i checkd packages.debian.org, and it says that's the name of the package i do believe!
03:03<cesurasean>any help? please?
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03:03<cesurasean>need to get this load balancer up and running with haproxy :)
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03:03<cesurasean>well, it is running, just need to monitor it better lol
03:04<EmleyMoor>What do you mean by "no success"?
03:04<kenyon>cesurasean: pastebin what happens when you try to install
03:05<cesurasean>E: Couldn't find package pacemaker
03:05<cesurasean>yet, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pacemaker
03:06<kenyon>cesurasean: what says apt-cache policy pacemaker
03:06<miggs>hello. i'm trying to test some methods in NetBeans using Junit. However I get 'org.junit does not exist'. I installed junit / junit4.
03:07<kenyon>cesurasean: or apt-cache madison pacemaker
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03:08<cesurasean>madison?
03:08<jm_>,versions pacemaker
03:08<judd>Package: pacemaker on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.9.1+hg15626-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.9.1+hg15626-1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.5-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.6-2; wheezy: 1.1.6-2
03:08<cesurasean>W: Unable to locate package pacemaker
03:09<kenyon>cesurasean: pastebin your sources.list
03:09<jm_>!bat cesurasean
03:09<cesurasean>AH
03:09<cesurasean>this is a lenny box it seems
03:09<cesurasean>LOL
03:09<jm_>doh bat is not a CMD
03:09<cesurasean>must have grabbed the wrong disk
03:09<cesurasean>what is the best way to upgrade the system to squeeze?
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03:12<kenyon>cesurasean: debian.org -> "If you're upgrading to the latest stable release from a previous version, please read the release notes before proceeding." http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes
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03:12<kenyon>!tell cesurasean about lenny->squeeze
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03:14<gnuboy>Hello
03:15<gnuboy>how do I know a package belongs to which virtual-package?
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03:18<jm_>gnuboy: what do you mean?
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03:20<Amichay>hi all
03:20<Amichay>do you know how to install hebrew keyboard layout on debian?
03:20<Amichay>i can't find it on "system" menu
03:20<Amichay>:P
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03:22<gnuboy>jm_, e.g: iceweasel belongs to www-browser virtual-package
03:23<gnuboy>jm_, how can I find out "acpi" or any other packages belong to which virtual-package
03:23<gnugr>Amichay: System>preferences>keyboard check to add 2nd language
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03:23<Amichay>ok tnx :)
03:23<Amichay>fixed :)
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03:25<jm_>gnuboy: ok you mean provides field -there are several tools, dpkg-awk, grep-dctrl, aptitude
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03:25<gnuboy>jm_, can you tel me how to make use of them?
03:25<gnuboy>tell*
03:26<Amichay>gnugr: תודה רבה!
03:26<gnugr>alright tho
03:27<Amichay>i said thanks you in hebrew :)
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03:27<jm_>gnuboy: if you want a yes/no answer then yes I can
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03:29<gnuboy>jm_, :D so please tell me how to use one of those tools to get the result
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03:29<gnuboy>jm_, before that let me ask a question. is this a good way to find a package alternative?
03:30<jm_>gnuboy: aptitude search '~Pwww-browser'
03:30<gnuboy>jm_, my goal is to find alternatives for packages.
03:31<jm_>gnuboy: well as long as all packages declare it properly
03:31<kenyon>I have used that method to browse package alternatives
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03:31<kenyon>another way is with debtags
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03:31<gnuboy>jm_, thanks :)
03:32<jm_>gnuboy: no worries
03:32<jm_>yeah debtags is supposedly more universal
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03:33<gnuboy>jm_, oh there's a problem :D in this case I have to put virtual-package name
03:33<gnuboy>jm_, I just have simple package names
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03:34<gnuboy>jm_, this command tells me which packages included in www-browser, I need to do it reverse
03:35<kenyon>gnuboy: that does not make sense to me
03:35<jm_>gnuboy: no, it tells you which packages provides www-browser
03:35<jm_>provide*
03:36<gnuboy>kenoby, what does not make sense to you? :)
03:36<kenyon>gnuboy: reverse virtual package search, or whatever your request is
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03:37<gnuboy>jm_, kenyon I'm really poor in English, so accept my apologize
03:38<gnuboy>jm_, kenoby I'll try to explain it again
03:38<kenyon>ok
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03:41<jm_>gnuboy: no need to explain, just try to describe in a way we'll know what you want
03:41<jm_>sorry no need to apologize
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03:43<gnuboy>jm_, kenyon : my goal is to find alternatives for packages
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03:45<gnuboy>jm_, kenyon I'm trying to design a simple distribution based on debian, so I need to know what packages can be replaced
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03:46<gnuboy>jm_, kenyon for example is there any package I can use instead of "acpi"
03:46<gnuboy>I'm sorry I tried my best :P
03:46<kenyon>gnuboy: oh, so do aptitude show acpi, and see if it has a Provides: line
03:47<kenyon>gnuboy: if not, then probably no. but that's a highly imprecise method, because there really may be some package that provides similar functionality
03:48<jm_>gnuboy: do you know what ACPI is?
03:48<gnuboy>jm_, yes.
03:48<jm_>gnuboy: ok, so you shopuld know thjere's unlikely to be an alternative for that :)
03:49<gnuboy>jm_, yes, that was only an example :)
03:50<gnuboy>kenyon, thanks
03:50<gnuboy>jm_, thanks
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03:51<jm_>gnuboy: ok so the above method or using debtags is what you can use
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03:57<bykar>moin - kann ich mit dem installer von 6.03 ein verschluesseltes RAID1 (ohne LVM) anlegen? klappt hier irgendwie nicht
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04:00<kenyon>!de
04:00<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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04:01<petani>!id
04:01<dpkg>from memory, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
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04:04<bykar>ok - it is possible with the installer of 6.0.3 to get an encrypted raid1 without LVM?
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04:07<lastwill>hello
04:09<lastwill>how can i select a public key for encrypting a message while using a private key for signing it with enigmail?
04:10<lastwill>i'm a bit lost with asymetric encryption so don't hesitate to correct me if i'm wrong.
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04:11<Wayny>what filesystem is recommended on USB keys for people who want it to be compatible to windoze and GNU/Linux ?
04:12<lastwill>Waynt: EXT2 is pretty portable.
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04:12<Wayny>lastwill: are you sure it is read by windoze without third party software?
04:13<lastwill>indeed you need a driver for ext2
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04:14<lastwill>fat can be more portable but limited
04:14<lastwill>you can create a fat partition with ext driver
04:14<lastwill>for example
04:14<Wayny>lastwill: I am thinking about whether "mkfs.msdos" or "mkfs.vfat"
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04:15<lastwill>msdos is almost dead
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04:17<project2501a>you only need 640k!
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04:19<Wayny>lastwill: so vfat is still recommended when one won't install third party software on windoze machines?
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04:22<lastwill>I think every Windows generation is backward compatible with FAT even MSDOS partition.
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04:23<lastwill>And every system should support FAT at least for SD Cards.
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04:26<kenyon>lastwill: you need your private key to sign or encrypt. other people need your public key to decrypt or verify stuff you encrypt or sign with your private key.
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04:29<lastwill>kenyon: are you sure about the use of the public key for decrypting?
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04:29<kenyon>lastwill: yes
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04:32<lastwill>I thought people encrypt with my public key then i decrypt with my private key.
04:32<lastwill>vice versa
04:33<kenyon>lastwill: that's true too
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04:34<kenyon>it's all of the above, not one or the other
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04:36<lastwill>O_o
04:36<lastwill>if anyone can have my public key for decrypting why should i encrypt?
04:36<jm_>lastwill: no, you need private key to decrypt
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04:41<nevyn>anyone can have your public key for encrypting
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04:44<Lantizia>hey I chose not to install "standard system utilities" so i could see what they are using tasksel once it installed and choose which ones I really wanted... problem is this task doesn't show in tasksel - any ideas?
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04:46<Lantizia>nvm the wiki has answered my question
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04:49<Lantizia>can i run a command like "aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p" and have aptitude tell me what's already installed?
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04:53<Lantizia>ah nevermind just needed to take off -F&p
04:53<babilen>Lantizia: ~i ?
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04:54<hasanatizaz>I am using debian 6, everytime i need to go to single user mode and then switch to init 2 inorder to get my mouse nad keyboard working
04:54<hasanatizaz>and*
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05:02<Lantizia>an awful lot of the "standard" task packages are what the base system installs anyway :S
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05:06<jm_>hasanatizaz: why would init 2 change anything?
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05:07<hasanatizaz>jm: i don't know
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05:07<hasanatizaz>jm: i just discovered that switching from init 1 to init2 does the job for keyboard and mouse
05:08<hasanatizaz>i recreated initrd even then unable to fix this thing
05:09<jm_>hasanatizaz: perhaps check dmesg output after you do this - but hiw do you go to init 2 if keyboard is not working?
05:09<hasanatizaz>reset
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05:11<jm_>huh?
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05:11<fanto666>hello, after succesussfull installation of squeeze, kernel doesn't detect SCSI disks at boot. the sym53c8xx module is loaded but only after initramfs complaint
05:11<vmassuchetto>Why Isn't there any gtk3 engine package available appart from Adwaita?
05:13<vmassuchetto>Is it hard to install something like unico theme on Debian? (If it's not a #debian-next question)
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05:18<metaspike>fanto666, did you try the unofficial debian installer with nonfree firmware included?
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05:18<fanto666>no
05:19<fanto666>I haven't had problems during installer - detected disks, built md...
05:20<fanto666>i have installed non-free FW in rescue mode and tan upgrades (including kernel) after, w/o success
05:20<fanto666>should I add sym53c8xx to /etc/modules ?
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05:20<hasan>jm: i recreated xorg.conf even then sameee
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05:22<jm_>hasan: i'll be back in 20min
05:23<hasan>jm_ : ok
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05:25<fanto666>the problem is that after boot the disks nor MD's are detected
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05:31<fanto666>the scsi devices are detected (according to kernel messaged) after initramfs complains that it can't mount root FS
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05:39<afuentes>i made a vgrename on the root partition from a live cd. When i try to boot up it says it cannot find /dev/mapper/oldVGname--root where should i update this?
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05:39<fladi>is it a viable assumption that the mtime of /proc/<pid> is the time the process with pid <pid> was created?
05:40<@weasel>no
05:40<fladi>weasel, ok, is there a better way to get the time of creation for a process?
05:41<metaspike>fanto666, it wouldn't hurt, but if the only error message you've got is can't find root, it could be that grub is incorrectly identifying the root partition, does grub use a legitimate uuid for the root partition? otherwise, yeah- you could add that module to /etc/modules, but without more info it's hard to say what'll fix it.
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05:41<@weasel>better than absolute random garbage? maybe.
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05:42<@weasel>ask ps?
05:42<fanto666>metaspike: I (still) use lilo... the partition is correctly detected, however I don't see anything in /proc/partitions
05:43<fladi>weasel, where does ps get it's information? i would like to avoid parsing ps output so asking /proc seemed like a good alternative
05:43<fanto666>fladi wasel maybe timestamp of /proc/<pid>/cmdline ?
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05:43<@weasel>fanto666: no.
05:43<@weasel>fladi: probably $pid/stat,
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05:44<@weasel>fladi: however, parsing ps output is easier and maybe more portable. you can tell ps which format to give you
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05:44<@weasel>ps -eo pid,lstart
05:45<metaspike>fanto666, lilo heh? well, when i upgraded a box to testing, the setup mentioned that the new kernel (3.x) identifies partitions differently, and put uuid's into grub and fstab, because otherwise it mightnt work, sorry for the vagueness.
05:45<fanto666>metaspike: ehm, partition... lilo knows where to boot from, however the kernel sees no partitions at all, so I think the problem is at this level...
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05:46<fladi>weasel, nice one, thanks!
05:47<@weasel>ps -o pid,lstart 1
05:47<fanto666>metaspike: should update-intramfs be enough after creating /etc/modules?
05:47<@weasel>or just ps -o lstart $pid
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05:47<@weasel>ps --no-headers -o lstart $$
05:48<engla_>metaspike: where did you see this info? I also have problems booting 3.1 kernel (with .39 working)
05:49<fanto666>yes, it helped
05:50<fanto666>huh! I haven't set up root's password, is there any default?
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05:51<metaspike>can't remember, the only way i get testing to run is to switch from a basic squeeze installation, it came about during the switch.
05:54<metaspike>one of those debconf user interventions during upgrade.
05:55<fanto666>ok, changed PWD in another rescue run
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05:56<miggs>why isn't eclipse in wheezy? is there a way i can install it?
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05:58<jm_>hasan: is the problem with X or with the kernel then?
05:58<jm_>!why is eclipse not in testing
05:58<dpkg>eclipse is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=eclipse
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06:00<miggs>ok, thanks. is it ok if i install it from the official site?
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06:02<gnuboy>jm_, there is an alternative for acpi, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Battery-Powered/powermgm.html
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06:03<gnuboy>jm_, debtags really works
06:04<jm_>gnuboy: you mean APM?
06:04<gnuboy>jm_, yup
06:04<gnuboy>jm_, it has same functionality as acpi
06:05<jm_>gnuboy: it's only present on old machines, it's not an alternative in the sense you can use one or the other, machien will have onl one of them
06:06<gnuboy>jm_, wow thanks, I need this information, I will list all packages with same functionality and choose one of them, we will choose acpi and the reason is apm only presents on old machines
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06:30<yhlfh>hello
06:30<yhlfh>is anybody using kmail?
06:31<babilen>yhlfh: Just assume that you are not the only person on this planet who uses KMail and ask your real question ;)
06:32<yhlfh>babilen: ok
06:32<yhlfh>i configured an IMAP account in kmail, kmail shows a message as unread, but actually it was read
06:34<yhlfh>also, first time when i finish configure, it download every message and set as unread, actually, they were all read
06:34<yhlfh>i'm using debian squeeze
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06:35<@weasel>did your imap server have them marked read?
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06:39<yhlfh>weasel: my imap server have them marked read
06:39<yhlfh>but kmail shows as unread
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06:43<@weasel>how do you know your server had them marked read?
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06:43<fanto666>maybe you mistake seen and read?
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06:48<yhlfh>weasel: because i login to the web interface, it was read. and my cell phone's email client also showed as read
06:48<yhlfh>fanto666: didn't mistake seen. i did a test.
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06:57<yhlfh>i sent an email to my imap account, and login to web interface to read it. then i went to kmail, it showed the message as unread which was just been read moment ago
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07:01<yhlfh>anybody has same problem?
07:02<TCW>yhlfh, does it show the mail as unread even after a restart of kmail and imap folder refresh?
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07:02<yhlfh>TCW: still show unread after refresh, but i haven't tried restart
07:03<yhlfh>TCW: let me try now
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07:04<TCW>afuentes, did you rename the root-lv in /etc/fstab?
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07:05<afuentes>TCW, no need, it seems it was via uuid
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07:06<afuentes>TCW, i fixed it. I just had to update the entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst and update-grub
07:06<afuentes>thank you :)
07:06<TCW>afuentes, still using grub1?
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07:06<afuentes>yup
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07:07<TCW>yeah, then manual intervention in menu.lst may be necessary...
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07:08<afuentes>it was a fucking server and takes up to 20 mins in every boot u.u
07:08<afuentes>freaking servers
07:08<afuentes>boot=reboot*
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07:08<afuentes>i had to reboot a couple of times... more than an hour to fixed it...
07:08<afuentes>good damned
07:08<afuentes>u.u
07:09<TCW>those things happen, you can only gain experience so see it the positive way :)
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07:09<afuentes>yeah, i guess some of that stuff wont happen again
07:09<afuentes>x)
07:10<yhlfh>TCW: after a restart, the message became read
07:10<TCW>but 20 minutes for a reboot... all servers I have (apart from one that does not reboot at all *g*) need at most 5 minutes.
07:10<TCW>yhlfh, so I guess kmail is (again) a bit buggy / broken / dumb.
07:10<afuentes>well, its a server with 32G or ram and raids and stuff
07:10<TCW>imho KDE-apps tend to be that way ;)
07:11<yhlfh>TCW: well, yes, buggy / broken / dumb
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07:11<afuentes>just cheking the ran at start takes up to 5 mins
07:11<afuentes>tam*
07:11<TCW>tam?
07:11<afuentes>ram*
07:11<TCW>ah... ram :)
07:12<TCW>Ok, I did disable the RAM checking on all boxes. It has no real benefit anyway.
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07:12<yhlfh>or, maybe the develop think it is no need to check read status when you are using kmail, because since you are using it, you definitly will not read the message by another email client
07:13<afuentes>well, i found out that you can bypass ram check pressing esc... on my third reboot xD
07:13<afuentes>and by chance... there is nothing in the screen noticing you about it
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07:13<TCW>yhlfh, that does qualify for "dumb" :)
07:14<yhlfh>TCW: that's just my explaination to myself in order to accept the bug
07:14<TCW>thunderbird (icedove) does refresh the read status when read via another client, at least after the folder-refresh-timeout. IMAP still is pull-based and not push.
07:15<TCW>that's what I always liked about MAPI so much :)
07:15<yhlfh>TCW: what is MAPI?
07:15<TCW>yhlfh, basically "Microsoft Exchange"
07:16<TCW>the protocoll it uses to comunicate with outlook
07:16<yhlfh>TCW: does icedove support exchange?
07:18<TCW>yhlfh, I did not follow the prgress of an open-mapi-implementation in the last year closely (see www.openchange.org / www.sogo.nu) but some (patched) clients do support (lib)mapi
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07:19<yhlfh>TCW: push mail is good, but very less support
07:19<TCW>hm?
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07:23<yhlfh>TCW: OMG, i just did another test, i read a new message by web interface, then i start kmail, the new message was unread!
07:23<yhlfh>i need to restart it to make it as read
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07:24<TCW>yhlfh, err... that was teh conclusion we had already several minutes ago :)
07:24<yhlfh>OMG, kmail need to be start twice in order to get the read status right
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07:25<yhlfh>ballache kmail
07:25<TCW>maybe there were some kmail-leftover-processes after closing kmail the first time?
07:25<yhlfh>TCW: there wasn't
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07:25<yhlfh>kmail's imap support is too bullache
07:25<yhlfh>ballache
07:26<TCW>there are not that many clients with really good imap support... evolution is one of them. Sadly, it sucks in other regards :)
07:28<yhlfh>i am using thunderbird under windows, it behaves well.
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07:30<yhlfh>TCW: but thunderbird is actually download the message. kind like dIMAP feature in kmail
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07:30<TCW>yhlfh, you can disable the "caching" feature
07:31<yhlfh>TCW: really?
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07:31<GOd>Hi guys
07:31<TCW>yhlfh, really
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07:32<Guest18001>Noob ere
07:32<Guest18001>Anyone here
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07:32<devil>nah, all gone
07:32<Guest18001>Huh?
07:32<devil>Guest18001: just aks your question
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07:33<yhlfh>TCW: it's thunderbird 3.0.11 in squeeze. feature same as thunderbird 8?
07:33<devil>ask, even
07:33<Guest18001>who are you talking to
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07:33<devil>Guest18001: do you have a question?
07:33<devil>if so, just ask
07:33<TCW>yhlfh, iceweasel 3.1.16 in sid
07:34<Guest18001>Oh bout backtrack 4 r2.
07:34<Guest18001>Its kinda diffrent Interface here
07:34<devil>Guest18001: wrong channel :)
07:34<devil>!bt
07:34<dpkg>hmm... bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>.
07:34<Guest18001>huh?
07:34<devil>Guest18001: this is a debian channel
07:34<Guest18001>ya i knwo
07:34<Guest18001>Umm
07:34<Guest18001>Can you Direct me to the proper chat room? :D
07:35<devil>i tried :)
07:35<devil>!backtrack
07:35<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
07:35<yhlfh>TCW: iceweael or icedove?
07:35<TCW>yhlfh, is there not a "network & storage" option in the settings? There you can set the cache to a smaller value (or disable it completeley, which I wouldn't recommend)
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07:35<Guest18001>Thank You sir
07:35<TCW>yhlfh, err... icedove, sorry :)
07:35<devil>yw :)
07:37<yhlfh>TCW: i would give that a try. thanks. looks like thunderbird is still the best choice for mail client
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07:41<project2501a>why on earth do i have to install an MTA in order to use mutt?
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07:41<cthuluh>you don't
07:41<project2501a>node00:/home/user/src# apt-get install mutt
07:42<petani>how to mounting dvd iso dual layer?
07:42<project2501a>The following extra packages will be installed:
07:42<project2501a> exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light heirloom-mailx
07:42<Zaba>project2501a, mutt has a mta in its Recommends, it's not a hard dependency
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07:43<project2501a>Zaba: ah! ok! --no-install-recommends to the resque
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07:43<cthuluh>or just use aptitude and select packages interactively
07:43<TCW>petani, is there an error message when you try to mount it as a normal single-layer DVD?
07:43<Zaba>project2501a, if you keep running into unwanted recommends pulled in, you can add 'APT::Install-Recommends "0";' into some file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
07:44<project2501a>Zaba: thankies!
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07:47<Strom>Hi
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07:48<Cewe_Medan>Hi guys
07:48<Cewe_Medan>does anyone know albert ?
07:48<petani>TCW : sudo mount -o loop debian-edu-5.0.6+edu1-source-DVD.iso /mnt/iso
07:48<petani>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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07:49<yhlfh>!albert
07:50<laarmen>petani: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop my_image.iso /mnt/iso
07:50<laarmen>petani: I think it is the correct FS.
07:50<petani>learmen : thx
07:50<petani>laarmen: thx
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07:53<TCW>imho mount should figure it out on its own...
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07:54<TCW>maybe the image has two filesystems? UDF and ISO9660?
07:55<yhlfh>i think so . no need to say iso9669
07:55<TCW>petani, what does "file debian-edu-5.0.6+edu1-source-DVD.iso" say about the image?
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07:55<petani>all this result http://paste.ubuntu.com/746989/
07:56<TCW>petani, are you on ubuntu?
07:56<TCW>anyway, what does the syslog say?
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07:56<petani>oke
07:56<petani>sorry
07:57<yhlfh>dmsg
07:57<petani>i use blankon
07:57<TCW>blankon?
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07:57<petani>http://www.blankonlinux.or.id
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08:12<alfa>hello, I'm having some problems using monodevelop on debian testing 64bit, may I ask you some help about it?
08:13<devil>alfa: just ask
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08:14<alfa>I have monodevelop 2.4, when I launch it I have a lot of errors like this one
08:14<alfa>ERROR [2011-11-23 14:12:18Z]: Unhandled Exception
08:14<alfa>System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
08:14<alfa> at GLib.Object.NotifyCallback (IntPtr handle, IntPtr pspec, IntPtr gch) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
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08:14<alfa>after these errors it starts anyway
08:15<alfa>when I compile a solution it crashes
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08:15<alfa>I'm using the same version of monodevelop and the same solution on a virtual machine with debian testing 32 bit and everything work fine
08:16<alfa>but I'd like using monodevelop on my real machine
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08:17<devil>alfa: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=116543
08:18<devil>same on suse, fedora, debian
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08:19<devil>BTS #626663
08:19<alfa>perhaps it's some libraries, because I don't have gnome, I'm using lxde
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08:21<devil>the debian bugreport has no solutions or workarpounds yet
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08:23<alfa>it's a bad news, these messages on the forum were written on April :(
08:24<devil>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23626663 is from may
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08:26<rhiamom>another Stupid Noob question from me. does Google+ support any Linux browser? it seems to not like my iceweasel, which I like a lot.
08:26<devil>rhiamom: G+ works on any browser. works fine here on Iceweasel
08:27<alfa>so no solution until now... I hope that they'll resolve it soon
08:27<mosno>rhiamom: grab iceweasel 8 from mozilla.debian.net
08:27<rhiamom>when I try to go there it gives me the message my browser is not supported, with links to Firefox, safari, chrome
08:27<devil>alfa: if i was you i would add to the bugreport, that it crashes as well
08:27<kooll>rhiamom: eww. that's some ugly browser detection :)
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08:29<rhiamom>do I need to use the testing sources to get iceweasel 8?
08:29<mosno>rhiamom: no
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08:30<mosno>rhiamom: it is backported for squeeze
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08:30<rhiamom>it only offers 3, 3.5, 3.6, release beta and aurora
08:32<mosno>rhiamom: release
08:32<rhiamom>ty
08:32<alfa>how could I list the version of monovedelop and all the packages it depends on ?
08:33*EmleyMoor seems to have "stuck" nfs on one of the clients
08:33<devil>alfa: reportbug-(ng) does that for you
08:34<EmleyMoor>Is there anything on a client that can be restarted to help nfs work on it again?
08:34<alfa>devil: thanks, I'm trying it now
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08:37<pixmin>Hi, I have a script on my USB key that I run to make a backup of my files, in Ubuntu I would just plug the key and run the script, now in Debian I can't run the script (chmod +x a.sh is not working), any ideas?
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08:39<devil>pixmin: whats it do?
08:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... the nfs problem is definitely server-side - what should I do to put it back as though it had not been used, then restart it?
08:39<rhiamom>Mosno, it says I am already on the latest version, and yes I added mozilla backports to my sources
08:40<rhiamom>time to go Wheezy, then?
08:40<pixmin>devil, chmod +x backup.sh returns nothing but doesn't make the script executable
08:40<devil>it should not return anything but the prompt
08:40<pixmin>devil, it stays in 644
08:41<jm_>pixmin: which FS type?
08:41<pixmin>jm_, if I run mount, it says type vfat
08:41<devil>ouch
08:41<jm_>pixmin: chmod doesn't work on vfat, look at mount options
08:41<rhiamom>doh, forgot to update after adding
08:42<EmleyMoor>Anyone else seen nfs problems in squeeze with a backported kernel?
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08:42<pixmin>jm_, mount options seems to be: type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks)
08:42<mosno>rhiamom: what, so you're already running iceweasel 8?
08:42<pixmin>jm_, I have not mounted the key manually, just plugged it in
08:43<rhiamom>mosno, no I forgot to update after adding new source. But it says the package is broken
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08:43<jm_>pixmin: well you'll need to change this I guess
08:43<Tu>Hi
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08:44<Torsten_W>if it is a shell-script, bash a.sh or sh a.sh should work
08:44<EmleyMoor>I am unable to mount nfs from this machine on another, if I have restarted nfs-kernel-server. Never had this problem on the old kernel
08:44<Torsten_W>no need for chmod
08:44<Tu>Was geht
08:44<jm_>yes or that
08:44<jm_>good point
08:44<Tu>cool
08:44<pixmin>jm_, where are the default options stored? I see no reference to my USB key in /etc/fstab
08:44<devil>Tu: mit deutsch biste hier flasch
08:45<Tu>what's up ?
08:45<devil>debian
08:45<rhiamom>mosno, says it needs xulrunner-8.0 but it is not going to be installed
08:45<mosno>rhiamom: are you selecting the target release?
08:45<Tu>warum
08:45<rhiamom>yes
08:45<Torsten_W>pixmin, the stick is mounted by udisks
08:45<devil>Tu: because the channel is EN.
08:45<Tu>ok
08:45<EmleyMoor>rhiamom: How are you trying to install?
08:45<jm_>pixmin: to be honest, I don't know, check udisks docs (I don't use this stuff)
08:45<mosno>rhiamom: is it conflicting with the xulrunner in squeeze? we need more info
08:45<Tu>bye bye
08:46<Tu>bb
08:46<pixmin>Torsten_W, jm_ ok thanks, I'll check udisks. Thanks a lot for your help :)
08:46<EmleyMoor>rhiamom: Install xulrunner-8.0 as well, by choice, to get round that
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08:46<EmleyMoor>(it happens in some package managers)
08:47<jm_>pixmin: no worries
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08:47<Torsten_W>pixmin, the options ar set by an udev- or a polkit-rule
08:48<rhiamom>mosno, installing now
08:48<pixmin>Torsten_W, ho, ok, I have lost touch a bit after years of using Ubuntu but I guess I have to get back to it to fix a little my debian setup ;) thanks
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08:52<rhiamom>mosno, same thing from iceweasel 8
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08:54<Lantizia>hey the desktop task in tasksel doesn't seem to include any err... desktop?! how is it the cd installs one? is it done outside of tasksel?
08:54<grove>rhiamom: (disclamer: I don't use google+) Do you have some privacy extensions that could misrepresent your browser?
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08:54<rhiamom>mosno, clearing history and cache twice and restarting browser twice fixed it, working now, thanks very much
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08:55<mosno>rhiamom: np
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08:56<EmleyMoor>Oops
08:57<sml>EmleyMoor: you might want to change that password ;-)
08:59<pixmin>jm_, Torsten_W I don't get it, If I plug the drive in Ubuntu, it's also mounted as vfat yet the script is executable... the only difference in the mount options between ubuntu and debian is that in debian there is extra: showexec,uhelper=udisks
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09:00<Torsten_W>i never used ubuntu, and i never let an automounter mount my external drives
09:03<pixmin>Torsten_W, ok, is there a sure way to find out the FS type before debian mounts it? Or prevent debian from mounting it?
09:03<sml>pixmin: file -s /dev/sdc etc
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09:05<pixmin>sml, thanks, so it's FAT (32 bit), so I can run a script on this?
09:06<sml>pixmin: I don't know what you're trying to do. I was simply answering your question on how to determine the FS type.
09:06<pixmin>sml, sure, thanks :)
09:07<pixmin>sml, trying to understand why I can run the backup.sh script off my USB drive on ubuntu but not on debian (both mount it as vfat)
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09:07<pixmin>sml, s/can/can't/
09:07<sml>pixmin: because it doesn't have exec in the mount option ?
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09:08<pixmin>sml, neither on ubuntu, but I'm willing to try this, would you know how to change it?
09:08<sml>pixmin: mount -o remount,exec ...
09:10<jamuraa>does anyone know of a simple launcher that would for example just have some big icons on the desktop for launching apps, that I could use with a simple window manager like metacity or something for a kiosk?
09:10<engla_>jamuraa: lxlauncher
09:11<engla_>it's a bit ugly to be sure
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09:11<pixmin>sml, ok, that works, thanks, would you know how to make this by default?
09:11<sml>pixmin: you dont' want that do be the default. Debian does it properly. Ubuntu, seemingly, doesn't
09:12<sml>but if you really really do.. then I'd check your mount options in fstab or otherwise
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09:12<sml>I don't use X so I can't really tell you how to configure whatever automounting tool you're using
09:13<pixmin>sml, Why don't I want to be able to run my backup script from the USB key without having to remount it? :)
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09:15<sml>pixmin: I didn't say that. I just said you probably *don't* want that as your default for all external devices that you attach to your system. Depends on what your security requirements are. in this case I don't see why you can't just put an option in your fstab to mount your USB stick with those mount options. and all other usb sticks with what you have currently
09:15<sml>i.e. your default is noexec
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09:16<jamuraa>engla_: lxlauncher looks great. almost exactly what I'm looking for, I think I could theme it and customize the tabs to be exactly what I need. thanks!
09:17<pixmin>sml, I see, I agree, I would like it to be only for this specific USB key, I see there are UUIDs in /etc/fstab so I guess that if I can figure out what the UUID is for this key I can apply the exec settings to it and only it
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09:31<pixmin>sml, perfect, found the UUID with `ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/` added it to /etc/fstab and now it only mounts this key with the exec option! thanks a lot :)
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09:38<lastwill>hello
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09:39<lastwill>I'm asking again the same question since I'm still looking for a solution.
09:40<lastwill>How can I select a public key for encrypting a message while using a private key for signing it with Enigmail.
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09:41<sml>lastwill: using the key management features.
09:41<lastwill>seahorse?
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09:42<sml>lastwill: seahorse? Enigmail is an Iceweasel/Thunderbird add-on is it not?
09:42<lastwill>yes
09:42<sml>Ok.. well when you send a message just click the OpenPGP button which should be a button to the right of 'Send'
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09:43<sml>it will either prompt you to choose a key or if you've setup your key management properly it will be able to identify the correct one to use
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09:43<lastwill>indeed
09:43<lastwill>but I don't understand one thing
09:43<sml>lastwill: if you want to sign just select 'Sign message'. The options aren't mutually exclusive since they provide different functionality
09:44<lastwill>if i'm correct i have to use a public key to encrypt the message
09:44<lastwill>but for signing i need the private key
09:44<sml>lastwill: that's correct
09:44<lastwill>how to setup each other in enigmail
09:45<sml>lastwill: Account settings->OpenPGP Security
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09:46<lastwill>i have only the OpenPGP menu in Icedove
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09:46<lastwill>or the OpenPGP menu in the account settings
09:47<sml>lastwill: like I said.. the OpenPGP Security section in Account Settings :)
09:47<lastwill>which allow to enable OpenPGP for the account
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09:47<sml>lastwill: there you can select a specific OpenPGP key to use ..
09:48<sml>babilen: that's the one..
09:49<lastwill>i don't know if you're talking about the OpenPGP options available in the settings for a specific account
09:49<sml>lastwill: I am
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09:50<lastwill>i can select a key but i don't see any distinction between private/public key
09:50<sml>lastwill: you get an OpenPGP set of settings for every accoutn you have. Which may only be one depending on how you use your email agent
09:50<sml>lastwill: you don't need to. it's a key pair. it will use the right one :)
09:52<lastwill>but i thought i have to use the public key from the receiver to encrypt my message
09:52<lastwill>an signing with my private key
09:52<lastwill>and*
09:53<sml>lastwill: you do. you grab a person's key from a public key server or they can send it to you using some form of communication
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09:53<sml>it's then in your keyring. which you can manange via gpgp directly or via the nice cuddly front end provided in the OpenPGP menu.
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09:54<sml>lastwill: like the keys you use with apt infact :)
09:55<lastwill>but the key pair private/public are for a specific user right?
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09:55<lastwill>if i select my own pair how enigmail can select the public key from others?
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09:57<sml>lastwill: you only have a keypair for yourself. all other keys are public key only
09:57<lastwill>yes
09:58<lastwill>i'm afraid that engimail encrypt with my own public key instead of using the key from others
09:58<lastwill>then only me can decrypt my own message
09:58<sml>lastwill: well there's nothing to be afraid of. Only you will be able to read it ;-)
09:59<lastwill>yes but it seems useless
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09:59<f0rk>lastwill: if you have the recipient's key, it should use it
09:59<f0rk>do you have their key?
09:59<Phoenix87>hallo
09:59<sml>lastwill: you need to grab someone's public key. Add it to your keyring. then when you choose to encrypt a message if the key for that email address is in your keyring it will be selected automatically. if it isn't then Enigmail will ask you to choose the right key from your keyring
10:00<lastwill>Ok
10:00<Phoenix87>some murrine themes don't seem to be working correctly, controls looks ugly but window borders are pretty fine
10:00<Phoenix87>any ideas?
10:00<lastwill>so the only key i have to setup in enigmail is my own pair
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10:00<lastwill>the public key is selected automatically in the keyring
10:00<sml>lastwill: the first time you set it up, this will probably be the way. since if you were already using gpg you'd probably be using a proper MUA like mutt ;-)
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10:01<sml>lastwill: the public key will be selected AUTOMATICALLY but only if you've imported it somehow (from a mail, grabbed it from a key server, imported it from a USB stick etc)
10:02<sml>lastwill: if it's not in your keychain, it can't be used; obviously. but then , Enigmail will prompt you as it won't know what to do. It won't just use your public key. Becuase, as you corretly pointed out, this would be pointless :)
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10:03<heikkila>What other proper MUAs are there?
10:03<lastwill>ok i should test signing and encrypting a mail to my different email address instead of using the same
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10:04<sml>heikkila: lots. can't think of any good ones that are designed to look like Outlook though
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10:04<sml>lastwill: of course :)
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10:04<heikkila>ah
10:04<lastwill>sml: thank you for your explanation
10:04<sml>lastwill: welcome. it's not that tricky it's just a little bit abstract until you get your head around it :)
10:05<heikkila>I don't think I've used Outlook in 10 years, if I ever used it at all, so looks are not important.
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10:05<sml>heikkila: it seems all the GNOME and KDE mail user agents are all trying to be some big fat monolithic cludge
10:05<heikkila>yes :(
10:05<f0rk>thunderbird, too
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10:06<f0rk>and mutt in debian crashes all the time
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10:08<sml>f0rk: I've not had that experience with mutt in Debian but then I've not run it as my primary MUA since Sarge or before..
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10:09<f0rk>yeah, I think it is something to do with ssl
10:09<f0rk>but I compiled my own, never crashes
10:11<babilen>f0rk: It does not crash all the time. In fact I am using it constantly and did not have a single issue.
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10:11<f0rk>it crashes several times a day
10:11<f0rk>I'll paste a stack trace when it does
10:12<babilen>It must be specific to your configuration then. You might want to report that bug to Debian so it can be fixed.
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10:12<babilen>s/must/could :)
10:14<f0rk>I don't think I have anything too crazy, but I connect to gmail
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10:18<laarmen>f0rk: do you use mutt's IMAP support or go with the offlineimap solution ?
10:18<f0rk>IMAP support
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10:20<laarmen>It might come from that. You might consider switch to mutt+offlineimap, I never had any problem with it :)
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10:20<f0rk>the mutt I built by hand uses IMAP, never had the same issue
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10:22<laarmen>does it link against openssl or GNU TLS ?
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10:22<laarmen>(I'm just fishing here, I have no idea how the debian package is built)
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10:25<f0rk>I *think* I built against gnu tls
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10:25<f0rk>although I probably built it against openssl
10:26<laarmen>Easy enough to check : ldd /usr/local/bin/mutt
10:26<laarmen>(assuming you put your version in /usr/local/bin, of course)
10:27<f0rk>yeah, libssl, so openssl
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10:27<laarmen>Whereas my version is against libgnutls
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10:28<f0rk>hmm
10:28<f0rk>I'll try a build against gnutls later for shiggles
10:29<laarmen>The best you could do would be to do it from the source package
10:29<f0rk>true
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10:53<pyRite>debian squeeze 6.0.3 version states while using firestarter program , firestarter loading script says illegal runlevel specified for firestarter:?
10:53<pyRite><pyRite> # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 listed: /etc/init.d - script
10:53<pyRite><pyRite> my question is why am I getting the firestarter is not loading error on boot?
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11:03<jhutchins_lt>pyRite: Have you checked the BTS?
11:04<pyRite>No I haven't what is that BTS?
11:05<sney>!bts
11:05<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
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11:08<wd40s>im trying to get rid of all gui packages to make my server headless again. whenever i do apt-get remove --purge x11-common it complains about libice6 having dependencies. But then when i do apt-get remove --purge libice6 it wants to install 75 new packages (some of them gnome libs).
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11:12<sney>wd40s: do it at the same time as the remove gnome procedure.
11:12<pyRite>jhutchins_lt: Thanks for suggestion!
11:13<pyRite>sney: Thanks for help
11:14<jhutchins_lt>pyRite: Let us know if you find it there and if they have a workaround. I'm guessing there might be a formatting error in the script.
11:14<pyRite>Looks that way so far
11:14<Rand>I want to install Virtaulbox on my amd64 Linux kenel. There are tons of so called transitional packages. What exactly is meant with "transitional"
11:16<sney>it's a dummy package that installs the correct one
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11:22<wd40s>thanks sney. hah hopefully this works, i'm going down to a mere 89 packages.
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11:25<project2501a>um, is it just me or is --dry-run kinda useless ?
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11:29<Rand>sney so basically its just metadata for core components? Well whatever, I'm not a programmer. I need to install Virtualbox with the guest additions and also use the contrib USB2 components on this amd64 Kernel (Sandy Bridge 2600) Its important that I can use the VT-d in this CPU. Virtualbox gave me 31 hits in synaptic.
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11:30<Zaba>Rand, suppose there was a package "foo". Then it was renamed to "bar", and "foo" became a transitional dummy package that depends on "bar". So that people who have "foo" installed get "bar" on an update.
11:30<project2501a>python-minimal breaks python-support (<< 1.0.10ubuntu2)
11:30<project2501a>wtf
11:31<project2501a>ubuntu?!
11:31<project2501a>on a debian package?
11:31<sney>Rand: you'll probably want virtualbox 4 from squeeze-backports
11:31<project2501a>4.1
11:31<sney>project2501a: yeah, sometimes the version numbers cross over
11:31<babilen>project2501a: happens
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11:31<project2501a>*grumble*
11:31<babilen>:)
11:33<Rand>sney I am on a system using Debian base (testing repos), lightdm, xfce as a DE, Emerald as my windows manager and Compiz for compositing. Kernel 3.1.0-1-amd64
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11:34<sney>Rand: oh, ok. testing support goes to #debian-next and forget what I said about backports
11:34<Rand>sney kk
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11:39<fanto666>does installesr modify BIOS boot order?
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11:39<babilen>fanto666: No
11:39<project2501a>fanto666: niet
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11:39<fanto666>well, must be bios then
11:39<fanto666>thx
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11:40<babilen>self-modifying bioses?
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11:40<fanto666>hard to say. maybe it removes flash when i pull it out
11:41<sney>I've seen some bioses with a rudimentary autodetect function that just decides the hard drive order on its own
11:41<fanto666>hmmm i can't detect scsi disks before MD starts .. again
11:41<sney>usually stuff like hp/dell
11:41<fanto666>this is intel
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11:42<lastwill>sml: I added only the public key of X and tried to send a mail from Y to X but it failed. O_o.
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11:43<lastwill>I checked only the encrypt box.
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11:44<lastwill>I thought Enigmail select automatically the public key according to the destination email address.
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11:46<rpetre>you need to have a trust path afaik
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11:49<fanto666>when sending mail?
11:49<ratnick>Is this a friendly channel?
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11:49<sney>ratnick: it's a computer support channel for Debian users
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11:50<lastwill>rpetre: I gave the maximum trust level to the public key but Enigmail say that key is invalid.
11:51<rpetre>did you sign it?
11:52<ratnick>Using squeeze on an i386 32bit
11:52<lastwill>no
11:52<rpetre>try something like echo "test" | gpg --encrypt -r recipient -a
11:52<rpetre>see if gpg complains or encrypts the data
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11:53<aya>Hi. How do I add /usr/local/lib to the shared libary path?
11:53<lastwill>it failed
11:54<lastwill>public key not found
11:54<sney>aya: it should be already, via /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf
11:55<aya>yeah
11:55<aya>my program won't start, although the libs are installed there
11:55<sney>have you run ldconfig?
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11:56<aya>I get ./a.out: /usr/lib/lib.so not found
11:56<aya>but the lib is installed in /usr/local/lib
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11:56<fanto666>lib.so?
11:57<sney>aya: have you run ldconfig since installing your lib to /usr/local/lib ?
11:57<aya>no
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11:57<aya>okay
11:57<aya>that fixed it
11:57<aya>thank you
11:58<sney>when you install stuff with apt, this is done automatically, but when you install things manually you have to run ldconfig yourself
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12:01<ratnick>Is an ISO for 6.0.3 available yet?
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12:04<zykotick9>ratnick, yes - it's all over the download page(s)
12:04<wintellect>ratnick: perhaps (i386) here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/
12:04<lastwill>rpetre: actually it worked replacing recipient but the email address matching with the public key
12:05<lastwill>s/but/by
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12:06<ratnick>Thanks. I have it in browser.
12:06<rpetre>lastwill: then my knowledge stops (i know gpg, i don't know enigmail) :)
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12:07<lastwill>thanks for trying to help me ;-)
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12:08<lastwill>anyone can explain me why i can't encrypt with enigmail and only the public key corresponding to the destination address?
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12:10<ratnick>Can't see for looking. I'm already using v 6.0.3 (Squeeze)
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12:14<lastwill>Enigmail complains about the public key from the sender, I don't understand why.
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12:19<sircco>when creating debian dir with dh_make which package class I need if i want to have library and binaries inside, no headers. Its our own made software that we are packaging for clients
12:20<fred_>i don't understand
12:20<sircco>single/multi/library/cdbs ...
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12:21<sircco>this is multi/library i guess so i dont know which one to choose
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12:21<lastwill>split your software in 2 packages
12:22<lastwill>for binaries and libraries
12:22<sircco>ok..
12:22<sircco>and when packaging lots of python code?
12:22<sircco>cdbs ?
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12:23<gnugr>sircco: read this " http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html "
12:23<razekinn>apt-get update shows "Failed to resolve ftp.sernet.de", but i can ping on it (it occurs with any repository).. any idea?
12:24<sircco>read that and i already made package with cdbs but ...
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12:24<sircco>but what if client has older distribution that doesnt have cdbs? would it be smarter to do it older way somehow
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12:26<lastwill>older way often means longer way
12:26<sircco>yeah but if someone complains i cant install on debian from 5 years ago what then
12:26<sircco>also if someone knows about deb - > rpm
12:26<sircco>there was this tool alien
12:26<sircco>would it work with cdbs
12:26<sircco>or is there some better solution..i think i last created rpm with alien 10 years ago
12:26<lastwill>if you wish to support unsupported distribution...
12:27<lastwill>it could be a bug trap
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12:28<sircco>well..we'll see ..this is initial deb / rpm package but im trying to squeeze out some initial problems by asking around..
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12:29<Rand>Im running the amd64 bit kernel. I took for granted that userland would was also 64 bit. Is this the case?
12:30<razekinn>apt-get update shows "Failed to resolve ftp.sernet.de", but i can ping on it (it occurs with any repository).. any idea?
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12:30<Rand>Or at least the GNU stuff would be 64 bit hence GNU/Linux
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12:31<cybersphinx_>razekinn: Set a proxy for it that's down now?
12:31<lastwill>Rand: amd64 kernel need amd64 binaries
12:31<razekinn>cybersphinx_: there is no proxy
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12:32<cybersphinx_>Rand: If you installed an amd64 version it should all be 64 bit, though you can run a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland.
12:34<Rand>cybersphinx_ yeah always been the amd64 kernel from day one. Funny I am only finding x86 Virtualbox in all repos?
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12:35<Rand>cybersphinx_ since I have vt-d I can still install a 64 bit guest but still ...
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12:35<cybersphinx_>http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/virtualbox.html says "arch: amd64 i386"
12:36<Rand>cybersphinx_ going to look at that now =D
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12:37<razekinn>cybersphinx_: this can help: i can't wget that also..
12:37<cybersphinx_>razekinn: No clue, sorry.
12:37<razekinn>cybersphinx_: thanks
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12:44<lastwill>i'm still looking for a solution for encrypting with Enigmail and the public key of the destination address.
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12:45<lastwill>i don't understand why enigmail is looking for the public key of the sender and can't find the public key of the receiver.
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12:48<valdyn>lastwill: that indeed makes no sense, whats the actual error message?
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12:51<lastwill>valdyn: enigmail say the destination email address is invalid then a new window appear to choose the key
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12:52<lastwill>after choosing the correct key there a new box with "xxx address not found"
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12:53<valdyn>lastwill: a key is tagged with the email adress
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12:53<lastwill>s/address/key
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12:53<lastwill>i don't understand how enigmail can't find the key but print it in the selection window
12:54<valdyn>lastwill: hmm, that error message is very ambigous
12:54<valdyn>lastwill: the key should be tagged with the proper email adress, which is how it would find the key autmatically
12:54<valdyn>lastwill: now its not tagged and you can select one and enigmail still seems to insist on the email adress matching
12:55<valdyn>lastwill: somehow i doubt this, but you can try running icedove in terminal to see if enigmail will print more useful errors there
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12:58<lastwill>i got nothing from the terminal :-/
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12:58<lastwill>i will try with the default key size
12:58<valdyn>lastwill: i tried this, works for me, so i cant really debug this
12:58<TaZeR>sup bredrins
12:59*TaZeR is using X-Sys v2.2.0 (http://dev.gentoo.org/~chainsaw/xsys)
12:59<XeonBloomfield>Hello
12:59<XeonBloomfield>I have an interesting question
12:59*TaZeR is using X-Sys v2.2.0 (http://dev.gentoo.org/~chainsaw/xsys)
12:59<TaZeR>os[Linux 3.0.0-13-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "oneiric" 11.10] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 3.38GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 70.3% free] disk[Total: 19.7GB, 77.2% free] video[InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter] sound[ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH]
13:00<XeonBloomfield>Which PHP, Apache2 and MySQL version is more secure: debian squeeze's or latest from it's site?
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13:00<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: we cant tell
13:00<Sicelo>fine TaZeR
13:00<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: Saying about "same" config?
13:00<TaZeR>im just testing ubuntu on a vm in debian to play with gnome 3
13:01<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: we cant know which versions is more secure
13:01<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: Debian Squeeze has applied security fixes for these apps, but latest versions provides new functions and security fixes which sometimes cannot be patched down on old Squeeze's app version
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13:02<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: So there is an plus and minus for it
13:02<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: and new versions sometimes add new bugs
13:02<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: so -> we cant know
13:02<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: plus - security fixes, minus - like you said new functions can provide new bugs
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13:03<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: So another topic - much other
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13:04<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: or... no... I answered for new topic in my mind :P
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13:16<mirabootalebi>hello
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13:17<mirabootalebi>iam mr mirabootalebi
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13:17<lastwill>valdyn: did you make your test on squeeze?
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13:25*Pumba Bonsoir
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13:30<ratnick>I just trashed IceWeasel in Squeeze and downloaded the latest Firefox. The old Mozilla (IceWeasel) browser was getting dropped at at least one website. Now I'm good to go. (For a while)
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13:34<ratnick>Listening to: http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-11-23.sbd.unknown.7861.sbeok.shnf
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13:35<ratnick>Happy Thanksgiving all
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13:36<marcel_>hi
13:37<ratnick>hi and welcome to #debian
13:37<marcel_>thank you
13:37<marcel_>my first time ;)
13:37<keropok>tq
13:37<ratnick>504 users listed
13:38<marcel_>wow my laptop is hot
13:38<marcel_>not sexy
13:38<marcel_>warm
13:39<ratnick>fans are for sale
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13:40<marcel_>i have got one
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13:40<ratnick>costs power to keep it cool from using power. What's wrong with that...
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13:41<ratnick>entropy and gravity both suck
13:42<marcel_>oh better ;)
13:42<ratnick>cool
13:42<marcel_>i cant lay on my bed with my laptop
13:42<TobiX>A shame that most of the power that goes into a CPU is converted into heat...
13:42<marcel_>but on a table is ok
13:42<ratnick>good in Winter
13:42<marcel_>lol
13:42<marcel_>but i like when is cold
13:43<marcel_>i open a window when i go sleep
13:43<ratnick>laptop runs better when cold
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13:44<marcel_>but not -20 of celcius
13:45<marcel_>any way... could you help me find a good name for my project?
13:45<ratnick>http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
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13:46<marcel_>google says that all names i thought about are in use :|
13:47<marcel_>even for porn :|
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13:48<laarmen>marcel_: All the names you could think of are already used by computer-related projects ?
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13:48*laarmen wonders what kind of project would be named porn
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13:49*rhiamom doesn't want to know
13:49<TobiX>laarmen: apt-get install pornview
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13:50<TobiX>Then we have libsexy, liboobs, etc...
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13:58<Guest18034>hi
13:58<ratnick>"The electrical resistance increases with temperature. An intuitive approach to temperature dependence leads one to expect a fractional change in resistance which is proportional to the temperature change"
13:58<Guest18034>necesito ayuda con atheros cabeado me sale un mensaje de dispositivo de red no gestionado
13:59<babilen>!es
13:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:59<ratnick>babelfish?
13:59<babilen>ratnick: You probably want #debian-offtopic
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13:59<ratnick>sorry
14:00<babilen>No problem. Just thought that you weren't aware of that channel.
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14:12<valdyn>lastwill: no, not in squeeze
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14:24<valdyn>lastwill: i tried on squeeze.. same deal
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14:29<javierito>hello lal
14:29<javierito>all
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14:29<javierito>i am a spanish people and have one cuestion
14:31<retrospectacus>but you're not going to ask it?
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14:31<ompaul>best kept secret :)
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14:31<retrospectacus>probably
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14:33<jhutchins_lt>!es
14:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:33<Norwack>i need help
14:34<ompaul>telepathy said - guess what
14:34<retrospectacus>Norwack: go on
14:34<ompaul>which is a much better answer
14:34<Norwack>i download a torrent from linuxtracker named : debian-6.0.3-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso
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14:35<Norwack>its 4gb and im not sure if its the full one, sine it says DVD-1 at the filename
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14:36<babilen>Norwack: It is the full first DVD for Debian's source packages -- What do you plan to use it for?
14:36<Norwack>install it, offline one
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14:36<Norwack>i need the .iso
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14:37<ompaul>Norwack: see the md5sum in this directory it should be 4.4 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-dvd/
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14:38<Norwack>its the sameone
14:38<babilen>Norwack: You want to install Debian? Or you want to have access to source packages on an offline installation?
14:39<Norwack>I Want to install Debian, but the one that doesnt require internet connection
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14:40<AgentC>Norwack: about 10 cd'S
14:40<Norwack>holy shit
14:41<babilen>Norwack: See also http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ (for amd64) and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/ (for i386)
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14:42<babilen>Norwack: You typically only need DVD1 for the installation of Debian *with* a complete Gnome desktop. Those DVDs (and the CDs fwiw) contain *all* packages in Debian.
14:42<Norwack>but its possible to get those packages without all the cd's? like download later if i need them from terminal or something
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14:43<AgentC>Norwack: yea, later you can download all packages and install it by aptitude
14:43<retrospectacus>not if you're offline like you said... :|
14:43<ompaul>Norwack: you are looking at the source cd
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14:43<Norwack>but i might offline on the install
14:44<Norwack>only be*
14:44<babilen>Norwack: You cannot download anything if you are offline -- If you are only offline during the installation, but not later you can easily download packages from the internet.
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14:44<ompaul>Norwack: perhaps you want these dvds http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/
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14:45<Norwack>for only installing the full gnome desk?
14:45<ompaul>Norwack: it is also very adviseable to install while connected to the internet it just makes using the network facilities later
14:45<ompaul>easier
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14:45<retrospectacus>Norwack: use DVD1 from here if you want 64bit http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-dvd/
14:45<ompaul>Norwack: you may want features that are not on gnome, if you are going offline I sugest that
14:46*ompaul looks at retrospectacus ;-)
14:46<retrospectacus>you linked to the CDs ;)
14:46<Norwack>I Got a 32 bit, and i only want the os that is working, and then install additional packages later trough an internet connection, is that possible?
14:46<ompaul>Norwack: I suggest you grab as many dvds as time and bandwidth allow, dvd1 will get you a basic system running,
14:46<ompaul>retrospectacus: look to the bottom
14:47<ompaul>Norwack: you can navigate back behind 64bit to 32
14:47<retrospectacus>no dvds there
14:47<ompaul>retrospectacus: it has all the dvds in there too (strange though, and maybe a bug)
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14:48<AgentC>Norwack: if you have debian installed on your system you can , with internetconnection , always use "aptitude" to install missing packages from network
14:48<AgentC>!aptitude
14:48<dpkg>aptitude is, like, a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
14:48<ompaul>Norwack: anyway if you can download more than one get more than one - if you can only get one get that - always best to set the box up connected to some wire than try to do it later
14:48<houms>i have a list of servers with only output info from df -h command listed, Is there a way I can return only the used space?
14:48<Norwack>so i can go ahead and burn debian-6.0.3-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso to a disc and boot install it?
14:49*ompaul says sorry - got it wrong there
14:50<retrospectacus>Norwack: I don't believe that is an installer at all, it just has source code
14:50<retrospectacus>but I could be wrong
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14:51<retrospectacus>houms: simple with awk
14:51<Norwack>do you know about a linux that got a smaller package? not debian, just want to get into linux. (not on my own internet these days and the one im on is slow)
14:51<Norwack>and then get debian later
14:52<retrospectacus>Norwack: plenty of live cds out there
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14:52<Norwack>any linux that i can install, want to get into linux before i use debian..(everything except ubuntu, it sux)
14:53<AgentC>Norwack: yepp on a live-cd you must firstly not install, you can boot it from disk
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14:53<Norwack>but i want install
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14:54<retrospectacus>Norwack: you can install debian with just CD1 too
14:54<lastwill>valdyn: ok thanks.
14:54<Norwack>but i want something that isnt that big(file size) to begin with
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14:56<retrospectacus>Norwack: go to distrowatch.com and find something you want. We are only going to recommend debian ;)
14:57<retrospectacus>houms: example, to see free space on / run: df -h | awk '$6=="/"{print $3}'
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14:58<houms>retro what if i want used space and not free
14:58<houms>?
14:59<retrospectacus>oh. yeah that's what that is. 3rd column
14:59<retrospectacus>$3
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14:59<lastwill>Norwack: why don't you just download a CD iso instead of DVD iso?
14:59<retrospectacus>he left
14:59<lastwill>arf
15:00<houms>so retro the command you posted is for space used and not free space ?
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15:00<petemc>does one not beget the other?
15:00<retrospectacus>houms: it says "if the sixth word is "/" then print the third word"
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15:01<retrospectacus>houms: you understand pipes?
15:02<houms>yes i do retro, but that cannot be executed remotely over ssh can it?
15:02<retrospectacus>sure - the awk could be done locally too
15:02<jordanm>houms: please do not cross-post
15:03<retrospectacus>houms: ssh foo df -h | awk '$6=="/"{print $3}'
15:03<jordanm>retrospectacus: he is already getting help in #bash on freenode
15:03<retrospectacus>the awk will be run locally but it matters not
15:03<retrospectacus>so?
15:04<houms>retro i must be missing syntax or something
15:04<jordanm>help is being duplicated, and cross-posting is bad etiquette
15:04<houms>using the line you printed returns nothing
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15:04*retrospectacus is not in #d over there
15:04<valdyn>houms: theres something to be said for using cut & paste
15:04<jordanm>retrospectacus: not #d, #bash
15:04<houms>and trying to throw double quotes around the entire command(s) results in syntax error
15:05<retrospectacus>oh. he'll probably get better help there. I'm there too :P
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15:05<retrospectacus>houms: of course... too many quotes. Probably just need to escape some
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15:18<javierito>sorry all, i forget this chanel and ask the cuestion in debian-es sorry :D
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15:43<yoge>hola
15:44<retrospectacus>hello
15:44<yoge>que tal como estas?
15:44<retrospectacus>!es
15:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:54<TobiX>Hmm... "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl-modules'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" - Is this a known problem?
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16:02<devil>TobiX: no. what debian flavour are you on?
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16:05<jordanm>TobiX: is it is a known issue from the perl transition
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16:07<ompaul>TobiX: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade does that get rid of it for you>
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16:08<gabriele>ciao
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16:17<damiano>hi
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16:17<damiano>can anyone tell me why when i run any mp3 Totem keeps popping up on the task bar while i have it associated with Audacious?
16:17<damiano>i mean it doesn't run, but it's just annoying
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16:20<TobiX>ompaul: You sure? Hmm, maybe my local mirror is not current... Let me check that...
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16:21<smhar>now with the gnome-shell, how to change enable multiple keyboard layouts?
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16:29<damiano>can anyone tell me why when i run any mp3 Totem keeps popping up on the task bar while i have it associated with Audacious? i mean it doesn't run, but it's just annoying
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16:32<lastwill>valdyn: After uninstalling/installing Enigmail it seems to work properly.
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16:40<lastwill>I created 2 pairs of key for (A) and (B), next keeping the public key of (A) for sending an encrypted mail from (B) to (A). Then removing the pair of (B) for keeping the pair of (A). As a result decrypting the mail from (B) to (A).
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16:42<ompaul>TobiX: and?
16:42<devil>damiano: rightclick on a mp3 file, go to properties, klick the little tool-icon on the right
16:42<damiano>ok
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16:43<TobiX>Seems my local mirror is 1 day old... I will try to get it up-to-date and try again
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16:45<lastwill>valdyn: I think guessed why i didn't work. I tried to encrypt without any personal pair but only with the public key.
16:46<damiano>hm
16:46<damiano>i see no tool icon
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16:49<devil>damiano: its small and on the right side
16:50<devil>just a lil tool
16:50<damiano>i know that icon!
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16:50<damiano>but it's not there...
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16:50<damiano>but ive seen it somewhere earlier
16:50<qxt_>I am about to clone a few git and svn projects. Where s the proper place to put the src code?
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16:50<qxt_>opt?
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16:51<qxt_>/usr/src ?
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16:52<retrospectacus>qxt_: I like $HOME/sandbox - if I install something it goes in /usr/local
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16:52<scraze>imo proper is relative in this case, if /usr/src is on a partition with not enough space available then it would still be the wrong place :p I use /usr/src & ~/src/
16:53<qxt_>OK thx guys
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17:02<jhutchins_lt>!fhs
17:02<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
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17:03<jthomas>I can no longer mount local USB drives; I get errors "org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.PermissionDenied: Not Authorized" . This just happened after a reboot. How can I remedy this?
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17:04<www>hy
17:04<www>everyone
17:05<jthomas>got it, from here http://www.suurmeijer.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65:solved-orgfreedesktopudiskserrorpermissiondenied-not-authorized&catid=38:debian&Itemid=63
17:05<jhutchins_lt>jthomas: What kernel?
17:05<jthomas>3.0.2
17:05<jthomas>no
17:05<jthomas>3.0.0-2-686-pae
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>jthomas: Congratulations! Your testing successfully found an error!
17:06<jhutchins_lt>,kernels
17:06<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
17:06<jthomas>lol
17:06<jhutchins_lt>jthomas: On the other hand, that doesn't appear to be a Debian kernel.
17:06<jthomas>maybe not the most recent, but it is a debian kernel
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17:07<www>anyone know a program that can change the ip ?! on ubuntu ?
17:08<www>i am a starter on linux
17:08<Torsten_W>and in the wrong channel
17:08<jthomas>www this isn't for Ubuntu help, but look into the commandline app 'ifconfig'
17:08<www>sorry
17:08<www>i am just asking
17:09<TobiX>Pah, ifconfig, iproute2 ftw!
17:09<www>how can i enter on an ubuntu chanel
17:09<apoleon>jthomas: what debian version are you using? maybe it is a problem related to policykit
17:09<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc www
17:09<dpkg>www: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
17:09<jthomas>need to connect to a different server, irc.freenode.net, then type in /join #ubuntu
17:09<www>thanks
17:09<www>sorry for the trouble
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17:10<jthomas>no biggie
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17:13<damiano>devil, http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot-4.png
17:14<www>i still cannot connect
17:14<www>i am using smuxi
17:14<www>and it connected me directly to your channel
17:15<devil>damiano: i am using dolphin and it shows in every file
17:15<damiano>ahhh
17:15<damiano>that explains it
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17:15<devil>damiano: but you got a 'open with'-taqb there
17:15<devil>tab, even
17:15<damiano>yeah, it works, BUT...
17:15<damiano>it still attempts to start Totem. But not always though...
17:16<damiano>it depends
17:16<damiano>Totem doesn't run however
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17:16<damiano>it just appears there, saying "Starting.." and then goes away. Same happens with Root Terminal by the way.
17:16<damiano>but mp3 is played by Audacious anyway.
17:17<devil>Same happens with Root Terminal?
17:17<damiano>yep, when i start it it opens up, BUT... it attempts to run another instance of it
17:18<damiano>though it never starts. It opens basically two tabs of Root terminal, one of which works and another one just "Starting.." and then it goes off.
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17:18<devil>sounds strange
17:18<damiano>i've heard many people have that thing.
17:18<damiano>it's not only me
17:18<jhutchins_lt>I can never remember, is it 2 >& 1 > or 2 &>1 > ?
17:18<damiano>there's a parameter in Root Terminal launcher
17:19<damiano>i can't quite remember which one exactly.. but i should specify "False" instead of "True" there.
17:19<retrospectacus>2>&1
17:19<damiano>and then it doesn't happen
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17:21<damiano>tell me how do i make pictures not appear as thumbnails on desktop?
17:21<damiano>i just want files
17:21<damiano>but no minimized pics
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17:32<Johnny_Demonik>hello
17:32<Johnny_Demonik>i need help
17:32-!-andres is now known as zz_andres
17:32<Johnny_Demonik>with the network end on debian 6
17:32<SynrG>please state the nature of your debian emergency
17:32<Johnny_Demonik>easier is to do this
17:33<SynrG>!ask
17:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:34<Johnny_Demonik>Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)
17:34<Johnny_Demonik>wow
17:34<Johnny_Demonik>ok apt-get erroers out
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17:34<devil>Johnny_Demonik: please no momlogues
17:34<Johnny_Demonik>ping dont reach google unless i use command ping -I eth0 google.com
17:34<devil>Johnny_Demonik: if apt errors, pastebin the complete output
17:34<Johnny_Demonik>ok
17:34<Johnny_Demonik>thats what i was doing
17:35<devil>i dont see it
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17:36<Johnny_Demonik>http://pastie.org/2911408
17:37<ompaul>Johnny_Demonik: you couldn't use http://paste.debian.net that thing is dying on its knees with GA
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17:37<Johnny_Demonik>ok thanks for the info
17:37<Johnny_Demonik>woundered why it didn't work
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17:38<ompaul>Johnny_Demonik: cat /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.debian.net thanks
17:39<Johnny_Demonik>Could not add your entry to the paste database:
17:39<Johnny_Demonik>Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)
17:39<Johnny_Demonik>your paste.debian.net
17:39<Johnny_Demonik>suck.....
17:40<SynrG>well, don't use special characters and make it 10 characters or less then, hm?
17:40<SynrG>or make it anonymous. it really doesn't matter.
17:41<ompaul>we want a url not a name
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17:42<Johnny_Demonik>http://paste.debian.net/146795
17:42<ompaul>so you don't have your cd in the machine, please put a # in front of the first two lines
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17:43<ompaul>then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
17:44*ompaul tries to rugby tackle devil misses eating dirt instead
17:44<Johnny_Demonik>ya i saw that
17:45<Johnny_Demonik>and was wrokin on it
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17:46<ompaul>Johnny_Demonik: excuse me while I indulge my perverse sense of humour, this is more for some other people than a poke at you
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17:46<ompaul>if you were working on it ... it might have been done already (hey I spelt it right :PP)
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17:46<Johnny_Demonik>i changed it earlier
17:46*ompaul is one of the worst cases of bad typo this side of whenever
17:46<Johnny_Demonik>and i guess it wasn't saved
17:46<Johnny_Demonik>so...
17:46-!-Rand [~qxt@c-5fcae455.025-521-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit []
17:46<ompaul>well it should work now
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17:47<Johnny_Demonik>http://paste.debian.net/146797/
17:47<Johnny_Demonik>and it doesn't
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17:48<ompaul>!tell Johnny_Demonik about noipv6
17:49<ompaul>Johnny_Demonik: go read about how to disable ipv6 and see if that helps or fix your ipv6
17:49<ompaul>I'd say the former first
17:49<ompaul>re enable later
17:50<Johnny_Demonik>ok
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17:51<Johnny_Demonik>ouch
17:51<Johnny_Demonik>im usen squeeze
17:51<Johnny_Demonik>lol
17:52<ompaul>and
17:52-!-janos_ [~janos@95.180.48.10] has joined #debian
17:52<ompaul>its all answered there
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17:55<atty>is someone knows how encode google-chrome browser cache file?
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18:08<jw>when I do "aplay hello.wav" it works as expected, but if I try "aplay -D hw:0,0 hello.wav" it doesnt. I triedl all combination of hw:0,0 hw:0,1 etc but none works... any ideas?
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18:11<pirateao>aquí hablan español, esto es un canal?
18:12<jhutchins_lt>!es
18:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:12<pirateao>gracias, es mi primer dia en ubuntu, y en xchat, gracias!
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18:13<retrospectacus>!ubuntu-es
18:13<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
18:13<jhutchins_lt>pirateao: useo #ubuntu-es, no useo #debian-es
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18:14<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Ah, so it's happened before then.
18:14<retrospectacus>:)
18:14<pirateao>gracias, chau
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18:18<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: lots of debian derivatives don't comprehensively replace Debian IRC channel defaults with their corresponding IRC channel in their IRC client packages. Ubuntu is no exception to that, though maybe they do change some of their clients - I have no idea.
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18:19<jhutchins_lt>Hydroxide: I got some grief for reporting that as a bug on Ubuntu at one point.
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18:20<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: they really opposed that? wow. hopefully one of their "big-picture" people or one of their upstream relations people (I know there are such) can make it happen
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18:22<Hydroxide>jhutchins_lt: if not, maybe we can make Debian's packages check if the current distro is debian or not and set the default accordingly. we might also be able to check for a few derivatives to set their defaults, but probably shouldn't be done without their involvement or approval
18:22<Hydroxide>though further discussion of this should happen outside of #debian, probably.
18:23<jhutchins_lt>I think the people who criticised me felt I was not adequately dilligent in verifying that it was in fact the case.
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18:26<jhutchins_lt>Hydroxide: #debian-offtopic
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18:46<vmassuchetto>What is the best way to reset network-manager options?
18:47<vmassuchetto>Tried to --purge with no success.
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19:12<scraze>jw: do you get an error message when using hw:0,0 ? you could also use a specific PCM, should have the desired result - get a list of PCMs with aplay -L (you can use -D with a PCM name)
19:12<philipp>guys i tried to install my nvidia following this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries did not work... xserver did not restart
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19:12<philipp>i did my part reading and googleing stuff now its ur turn
19:13<philipp>come on dont be lame! help me!
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19:13<scraze>philipp: did you also do the Troubleshooting part at the bottom?
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19:14<philipp>scraze i tried but im too dumb/noobie for that =/
19:14<philipp>bash: nomodeset: command not found
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19:15<scraze>philipp: I suggest we start a pm session :p
19:15<philipp>scraze kk
19:16<babilen>scraze: It is typically preferred to keep it in the channel as that allows others to give suggestions or correct mistakes
19:17*babilen recommend dkms
19:17<babilen>!nvidia dkms
19:17<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
19:17<scraze>babilen: ah, I thought of that but also read (in the FAQ I hope) that lengthy & simple stuff should be taken to PMs
19:18<philipp>babilen its cool... i work with him and come back with the results (or play my FPS)
19:18<babilen>Not really
19:18<philipp>key....
19:18<scraze>understood :)
19:18<philipp>so how do i check if i have installed headers?
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19:18<babilen>Do whatever you want though -- But there certainly isn't the need and it is most definitely not encouraged
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19:19<babilen>philipp: "aptitude search '~n^linux-headers'"
19:19<victor__>anybody managed to compile latest kernel (3.1.2) on testing? I think I have hit a grave bug, now asking for workarounds
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19:20<philipp>i A linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common
19:20<philipp>does it mean yes?
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19:21<philipp>sry my bad.... i linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 is prob what we r looking for
19:21<scraze>philipp: i means installed, A means automatically so
19:22<babilen>philipp: That means yes
19:22<philipp>its my current kernel... i checket
19:22<philipp>checked
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19:23<philipp>i think i missconfigured my xorg.conf... can we check that next?
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19:24<philipp>come on guys dont get lazy! noob needs help :P
19:24<babilen>philipp: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" and your xorg.conf to http://paste.debian.net please? Also note that it is typically preferred these days to just create little configuration snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) -- How to do that is detailed in dpkg's factoid above.
19:24<scraze>sure, your Xorg.0.log should give plenty of information about xorg.conf, and your xorg.conf as well - you can easily get them to paste.debian.net with the package/command pastebinit ; apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf; pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log;
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19:25<babilen>philipp: I would also be happy if you weren't so pushy
19:25<babilen>ah, no X at all right now? You can also pipe into pastebinit
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19:26<philipp>scraze ye interpretateing that info was the part i failed on troubleshooting... i begin with that
19:26<babilen>Make sure that the kernel module is installed, in place and that you reboot after installing it to activate the nouveau blacklist
19:26<babilen>philipp: Did you actually install the kernel module?
19:27<philipp>i think so but one by one... working on the paste
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19:27<scraze>philipp: you can also use pastebinit as a pipe (it's not confusing! :p) to paste output that's not in a file, like this: aptitude search ~i~nnvidia | pastebinit
19:28<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146801/ <<< the log
19:28<philipp>scraze thx i will try
19:29<babilen>Yeah, that is not using nvidia
19:29<philipp>means? i screwed up?
19:29<babilen>I'd recommend to remove your xorg.conf and run the commands given above. (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms) reboot and check again.
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19:31<babilen>brb
19:31<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146803/
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19:32<philipp>here is my aptitude http://paste.debian.net/146803/ my kernel version is 2.6.32-5-686
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19:34<scraze>philipp: do you understand what dpkg (the bot) says when you do /msg dpkg nvidia dkms ?
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19:34<philipp>ahhhh... on it
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19:35<philipp>nope...
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19:35<philipp>ok reading
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19:37<babilen>philipp: You installed the precompiled kernel module. The dkms method will build the kernel module itself (for whatever kernels are installed given that their headers are installed) This means that you don't have to install the dkms package as well.
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19:37<philipp>okey im confused... can u tell me what to do? =/
19:38<babilen>philipp: This means that the problem might be due to one of: 1. You did not reboot to enable the nouveau blacklist 2. Your xorg.conf is wrong somehow 3. You have an old nvidia card and need the legacy driver
19:38<babilen>philipp: Relax :) Did you reboot?
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19:38<philipp>ye and i bought my card this year
19:39<babilen>philipp: Ok, then remove your xorg.conf and run "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" and restart Xorg/login manager
19:40<babilen>philipp: Oh, "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" first
19:40<scraze>babilen: is it also possible that there is no blacklist for nouveau yet ?
19:40<philipp>babilen on it
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19:40<babilen>I don't know the precompiled modules and am not entirely sure how they behave.
19:42<bill__>philipp, do you have another machine you can use for the chat here? If you only have one machine and it comes up to a black screen you may be in for difficult times. If you have another machine I'd get on IRC to here with that one before going onwards with trying to get the nVidia driver working.
19:42<babilen>philipp: Could you run "lsmod|grep -E "(nvidia|nouveau)" -- What do you get?
19:43<babilen>philipp: bill__'s suggestion would also allow you to SSH into the machine we are working on which simplifies pasting
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19:44<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146806/ babilen
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19:44<philipp>bill__ i was stuck there already twice... if it dont reboots i just move the xorg.conf again
19:44<philipp>kk guys time for restart *scared*
19:45<bill__>philipp, good luck!
19:45<philipp>ill come back in 2 min aproximatly
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19:47<babilen>Yeah, nouveau was loaded and nvidia was not
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19:49<philipp>boy that was scary....
19:49<damiano>http://pastebin.com/j9vEjT8z
19:49<philipp>there was no xorg.conf and gdm3 was not starting
19:49<damiano>can anyone tell me what that is
19:49<damiano>it doesn't bother me, i just wonder
19:49<damiano>dmesg brings that up sometimes.
19:50<babilen>philipp: You created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file?
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19:50<philipp>babilen yes but i hate to "rm" it so i could restart x
19:51<babilen>And you removed the xorg.conf before? Could you paste the Xorg.0.log.old (that is hopefully the one with nvidia) and the lsmod output?
19:51<scraze>damiano: acpi call \PRID.P_D0._STA seems related to an ath card, but that's all I don't even know :]
19:51<philipp>babilen i tested it... did not work... then i deleted it so im can start my awsome 800x600 gui again =/
19:52<damiano>hm
19:52<damiano>ok
19:52<damiano>thanks
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19:53<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146808/
19:54-!-mode/#debian [+l 477] by debhelper
19:54<philipp>i hope so too
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19:55<scraze>philipp: does lsmod|grep -E "(nvidia|nouveau)" still show lines with nouveau ?
19:56<babilen>philipp: I'll leave soon -- I would make sure that nouveau is blacklisted (i.e. that /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf contains the blacklist) and that the nvidia kernel module is actually in place. (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko) -- You really only need that 20-nvidia.conf file to enable nvidia. The Xorg configuration is *not* the problem but the nvidia kernel module is not loaded.
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19:57<babilen>philipp: It might also be worth a try to remove the nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 package and install nvidia-kernel-dkms, but both should work™
19:57<philipp>babilen you know i removerd that xorg.conf.d.whatever file?
19:58<babilen>philipp: You can always recreate it -- btw just rename it to something *not* ending in .conf to disable it
19:58<philipp>can i have the recreation command again? restarted between =)
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19:59<babilen>The main line of inquiry is: Why is the kernel module not loaded. Once that happens the Xorg configuration should be in place.
19:59<babilen>!tell philipp -about nvidia dkms
19:59<babilen>philipp: You probably also have it in your shell's history
20:00<philipp>ye but something happend
20:00<philipp>i did dpkg aptitude command and its installing something
20:01<babilen>Are you installing the nvidia-kernel-dkms package now?
20:02<philipp>to be honest i dont know =(
20:02<babilen>heh
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20:02<philipp>anything between that and a forkbomb... whatever dpkgs command was...
20:03<babilen>philipp: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms" ?
20:03<philipp>ye... i think
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20:04<philipp>DKMS: install Completed. the terminal responded....
20:05<philipp>okey i recreated ur file.... what can i do more to increase my chance of sucess?
20:05<babilen>Ok, that install the kernel headers (which you already have) and the dkms package. Did it remove the nvidia-kernel-2.6.32* packages?
20:06<philipp>The following NEW packages will be installed:
20:06<philipp> dkms{a} linux-headers-2.6-686 nvidia-kernel-dkms
20:06<philipp>0 removes it sayes
20:06<babilen>philipp: AFAIK that should be all you need. I am not entirely sure why the module is not loaded though. Could you check that /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf blacklists nouveau? You would also have to reboot. If that still fails paste "dmesg|grep -i nvidia"
20:07<babilen>philipp: You might want to remove those packages (the pre-built ones)
20:07<philipp>how do i check this blacklist? lets do that before reboot
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20:08<philipp>i just paste it...
20:08<f0rk>babilen: was I talking to you about mutt earlier?
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20:08<f0rk>at any rate, http://nopaste.snit.ch/96683
20:08<babilen>f0rk: I think so, yes
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20:09<philipp>babilen i catted it -> http://paste.debian.net/146810/
20:09<scraze>philipp: the last line indeed blacklists nouveau, so that's good
20:09<babilen>philipp: Looks fine
20:10<philipp>thats good
20:10<babilen>f0rk: Hmm, must have something to do with your GMail config -- never had problems like this in the last, well, 7 years :)
20:10<philipp>well i restart now *scared like ***** see ya
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20:10<scraze>good luck philipp :D
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20:10<f0rk>meh. looks like I'll be filing a bug
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20:13<philipp>no good
20:13<philipp>im desperate
20:13<retrospectacus>what happened?
20:13<philipp>same result => black screen with just a curser blinking
20:14<scraze>philipp: could you check again if lsmod|grep -E "(nvidia|nouveau)" still showslines with nouveau ?
20:14<philipp>im porberbly doing something wrong
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20:15<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146813/ how can it get more? o_O
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20:16<scraze>philipp: well yes, that's scary - it is blacklisted.. I'll have to google for a bit :]
20:16<philipp>btw thx for beeing so patient with me... i realy apprechiate it
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20:16<philipp>scraze proberply i just did something wrong... i dont even have a xorg.conf right now =(
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20:20<scraze>philipp: the nouveau module is loaded at boot, long before Xorg comes into play - so you don't have to worry about the xorg.conf just yet
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20:21<philipp>scraze but i still do =/
20:21<scraze>philipp: how many lines do you get for rgrep -i 'nouveau' /etc/modprobe.d/ ?
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20:22<philipp>one -> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf:blacklist nouveau
20:22<anbe>philipp, did you rebuild your initrd? otherwise the blacklist is not active at boot
20:23<philipp>anbe i dont know
20:23<scraze>anbe: he just installed nvidia-kernel-dkms
20:23<scraze>before the reboot.
20:23<anbe>run update-initramfs -u
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20:24<philipp>it did someithing -> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
20:25<anbe>reboot again
20:26<philipp>okey... scraze ill brb
20:26<scraze>ok :)
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20:27<anbe>scraze, babilen: the nvidia packages in squeeze may need a manual rebuild of the initrd, otherwise the nouveau blacklist does not get activated early enough during boot. this has been fixed in wheezy
20:28<scraze>was just figuring out whether to ask you or to try to look it up.. thanks for the information :)
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20:30<philipp>no good
20:30<philipp>im proberply to stupid
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20:30<scraze>philipp: does lsmod|grep -E "(nvidia|nouveau)" show nvidia yet?
20:30<babilen>... I would also make sure that the card does not need a *newer* version of the drivers. "dmesg|grep -i nvidia" and the READMEs on nvidia.com should clarify that (together with "lspci -nn|grep -i vga") -- ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/275.36/README/README.txt (version in wheezy)
20:31<babilen>READMEs for other versions exist
20:31<babilen>ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/
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20:32<babilen>good luck and until the morrow
20:32<philipp>one more thing
20:32<philipp>can u tell me how i get my card version?
20:32<scraze>good night babilen !
20:32<scraze>philipp: lspci -nn | grep -i vga should do that
20:33<philipp>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1200] (rev a1)
20:33<philipp>wtf??? what does it mean?
20:33<philipp>night babi
20:34<scraze>it's a listing for the nvidia PCI card, the PCI id is 10de:1200
20:34<scraze>,pciid 10de:1200
20:34<judd>[10de:1200] is 'GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1200 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
20:35<philipp>well u have any idea what could help besides suicide?
20:35<scraze>that seems to say that the default nvidia kernel provided by nvidia-kernel-source / nvidia-kernel-dkms doesn't support your card, you'd need a newer driver
20:35<scraze>philipp: lots of options ;]
20:36<philipp>booze?
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20:36<scraze>could do a dmesg|grep -i nvidia | pastebinit ?
20:36<scraze>could you do *
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20:36<anbe>275.36 is sitting in squeeze-backports NEW queue ...
20:36<philipp>command not found...
20:37<philipp>anbe the driver is in backports?
20:37<philipp>means if i enable backports i proberply get happy?
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20:37<scraze>iiuc it's not yet in there but almost
20:38<anbe>not yet, may need a few more days - http://backports-master.debian.org/dak/new.html
20:38<scraze>anbe: would it be a solution to grab the deb already ?
20:38<scraze>debs*
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20:39<philipp>what was my card again? i try to just dl the driver from there homepage...
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20:40<scraze>philipp: it's best to use the debian packages, even if it's a bit more of a pain to get it installed - the installer from nvidia does not play nice with the package maintainer
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20:40<scraze>philipp: for instance there's a good chance that if a new kernel is installed you'll end up at the same problem again
20:40<philipp>scraze you have a idea what i can do now?
20:40<scraze>if you use nvidia's installer, that is :]
20:41<babilen>philipp: As I suspected -- That version is not supported by the driver version in squeeze and you need wheezy's or sid's version. You have to backport those drivers by following the method detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb"
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20:41<scraze>there are a few things you could do, but anbe knows everything on this topic, so I'm hoping he knows what to do best :p
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20:41<babilen>,checkbackport nvidia-kernel-dkms
20:41<judd>Backporting package nvidia-kernel-dkms in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, archignore, squeeze-backports.
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20:42<babilen>They will (finally!) arrive in proper backports soon so you don't have to keep on maintaining these backports yourself. Just come back in a couple of days/weeks and ask what to do.
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20:43<philipp>can i install some unstable version meantimes?
20:43<philipp>so its getting patched out when the real backports are comeing?
20:43<anbe>if someone wants to do a nvidia ssb, build from svn branches/squeeze-backports (nvidia-graphics-drivers and nvidia-support are both needed)
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20:44<babilen>anbe: thanks btw for the backport :)
20:44<anbe>philipp, the package from wheezy has a lot of dependencies you probably don't want (e.g. a libc6 update for multiarch)
20:44<philipp>so there is nothing i can do right now?
20:45<philipp>you have a idea what i can do? because i dont have...
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20:46<scraze>philipp: the backport option is a good one; it does involve some work
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20:47<philipp>u can help me with it?
20:47<scraze>sure :)
20:47<philipp>okey... and thx!
20:48<philipp>lets do it... first i need the seed backports?
20:48<scraze>np :] yep, so add the line "deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:49<philipp>scraze ye i will do it whith the graphical one if ok
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20:50<philipp>btw i realise what we r doing now... it realy is a smooth solution
20:50<philipp>how do i build the dependency for the make?
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20:51<philipp>u still there? i updated my source
20:52<scraze>oh wait, anbe just said you should from svn branches
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20:52<scraze>hold on while I find out where to find those :p
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20:55<philipp>do i have to install a svn client for that?
20:55<philipp>anbe come on... you are not writeing a lot for someone who knows that much :P
20:56<scraze>philipp: you probably need subversion and subversion-tools
20:56<scraze>and it's mostly those in the know that are silent - they're too busy doing stuff with their knowledge :p
20:57<philipp>scraze done... svn installed
20:57<anbe>svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers/branches/squeeze-backports
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20:58<anbe>you can browse the whole stuff at http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-nvidia
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20:59<scraze>nice, thanks anbe
20:59<philipp>scraze can u use subversion? =/
21:00<anbe>for the tarball run debian/rules get-orig-source, you will need the nvidia-support package as well, but glx-alternatives is already in backports
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21:01<scraze>philipp: you can do a svn checkout on that url in a dir where you want to store the src, so for example as a normal user: mkdir -p ~/src/nvidia-backports; cd ~/src/nvidia-backports; svn checkout svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers/branches/squeeze-backports
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21:01<anbe>good luck and good night
21:01<scraze>thanks again anbe, good night!
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21:02<philipp>anbe thx for all! gn!
21:02<philipp>what a pro...
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21:03<philipp>scraze does it has a makefile?
21:03<scraze>yes, I'm afraid you got stuck with the runt of the litter, i.e. me :p
21:04<scraze>hold on while I try tofind out .. :]
21:04<philipp>ur the man! =)
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21:06<onryo>I was wondering if there was a reason that "Turbo Boost" does not get enabled when pushing the Sandy Bridge 2600 to 100%. Even using cpufreq governors show a max of 3.4 GHz.
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21:07<onryo>if I do a cpufreq-info I can see 3.4GHz twice and not the Boost of 3.8GHz
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21:07<philipp>onryo yea thats strange
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21:08<onryo>philipp yeah really is. Nothing wrong when I popped in a Windows 7 disk so its not the system or bios
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21:09<philipp>onryo proberply the feature in debian is not implemented... guess u have to wait for the backports or download svn :]
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21:10<scraze>ha, there's a quick learner :p
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21:11<onryo>philipp I just tried it on this kernel too 3.1.0-1-amd64
21:11<onryo>philipp same same but same!
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21:12<philipp>onryo ur useing squeeze too?
21:13<H>hello
21:13<philipp>scraze ur still doing the ugly stuff for me?
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21:13<philipp>sorry but im too stupid =/
21:13<H>what are we talking about?/
21:13<onryo>philipp both testing and testing (wheezy) on two machines.
21:13<scraze>philipp: I'm trying to make sure I'm saying the correct things so I'm going over what anbe & babilen said and reading the README's in the svn
21:14<BillPickett314>philipp, there is no too stupid, there is just not enough reading yet. ;)
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21:14<philipp>scraze good boy/girl =)
21:14<onryo>philipp the weird part is the two 3.4GHz things from cpufreq-info : cpufreq stats: 3.40 GHz:14.61%, 3.40 GHz:0.26%, 3.20 GHz:0.25%, 3.00 GHz:0.20%, 2.80 GHz:0.46%, 2.60 GHz:0.18%, 2.40 GHz:0.18%, 2.20 GHz:0.14%, 2.00 GHz:0.13%, 1.80 GHz:0.14%, 1.60 GHz:83.46%
21:14<scraze>boy :p didn't realise my name was so ambiguous :p
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21:15<philipp>BillPickett314 i am useing ubuntu for years but debian still is over my limits
21:15<philipp>i hate unity
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21:16<philipp>onryo how much cpu do you have? o_O
21:17<BillPickett314>philipp, I switched to Debian Squeeze just because I can keep GNOME 2.30 for another year before the next major release and then another year after that as oldstable. ;) Every single thing I learned I learned by breaking it (well mostly) - I wouldn't have learned much if I didn't try stuff!
21:17<onryo>philipp Just a Sandy Bridge 2600 in this box and a 2700k in the other.
21:17<mosno>BillPickett314, so given the wheezy freeze is in 6 months, that gives us what... 3 years with a supported gnome 2?
21:17<mosno>as an estimate
21:18<philipp>u guys are sad and funny but i like ur way of lerning and thinking
21:18<BillPickett314>mosno, the longer the better ;) I plan to stick with GNOME 2 as long as possible just to give 3 time enough to mature. 3 is perfect: for tablets. With the way Linux is going, desktop will never be won, tablets are where the DE's *should* be going because that's where Linux is winning.
21:19<philipp>debian has a major release every year now?
21:19<scraze>philipp: progress is slow but so far it's apparent you'll need the package devscripts :p
21:19<mosno>BillPickett314, well wheezy won't get a newer gnome 3 than 3.4
21:19<mosno>philipp, no
21:20<philipp>scraze lets try... how do i try?
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21:20<mosno>BillPickett314, unless you plan on running sid or wheezy+1 i guess
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21:20<onryo>As far as Unity goes dear cough*die in a fire mofo*cough Mark Shuttleworth said about 3 weeks ago that the "bigger picture" of Unity was to sell Smartphones and Tablets with in 2014. Dude is going to pull a "Steve Jobs" with Ubuntu.
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21:21<BillPickett314>mosno, I like stable - it doesn't break very much! ;) On Squeeze and the only thing I did was compile in Python 3 from source - other than that full standard repo's for everything else.
21:21<mosno>onryo, he's got a lot of work ahead of him. i ran 11.10 in a virtualbox vm on win7... it was a very sluggish system
21:21<scraze>philipp: apt-get install devscripts (try do not; do you must!0
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21:22<philipp>scraze done! restart? (scared)
21:23<scraze>philipp: no! :O that's just a package you need to use upon the svn download
21:23<philipp>:D
21:23<onryo>mosno I think that leaving The Standard Desktop Computing Metaphor is the dumbest thing on earth if using a desktop PC.
21:23<philipp>='(
21:24<mosno>onryo, there really isn't a standard
21:24<philipp>scraze dude im clueless what to do....
21:24<mosno>onryo, gnome3's panel is like OS X from what i've seen
21:25<mosno>but yeah, it is different to Windows :)
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21:25<philipp>better windows than that osx crap
21:25<mosno>meh, whatever works :)
21:25<onryo>mosno Sadly a lot of the Gnome devs that I know are all Mac horny.
21:25<scraze>also, the svn you downloaded was for 1 of the 2 packages you need, namely nvidia-graphics-driver, you also need nvidia-support - so if you used my example command above, correct my mistakes :p : cd ~/src/nvidia-backports/; mkdir nvidia-graphics-driver nvidia-support; mv squeeze-backports nvidia-graphics-driver; cd nvidia-support; and then get nvidia-support with svn checkout
21:25<scraze>svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-support/branches/squeeze-backports
21:25<mosno>as long as they have good keyboard shortcuts, unlike OS X which has a severe lack
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21:27<philipp>scraze u need the list? whats next?
21:28<philipp>mosno as long as u can kill it and install xfce....
21:28<onryo>mosno I set my systems up to look and feel almost exactly like Gnome 2.32 using xfce as a DE, lightdm, Emerald as the Windows Manager and Compiz for compositing. You really cant see this is not old Gnome at first glance.
21:28<scraze>philipp: if both dirs are now healthily filled, then it's packaging time, but this is new for me as well and I'm not that fast
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21:29<mosno>onryo, i tried xfce on squeeze... gnome2 was much better. not just the visual aspect
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21:29<mosno>onryo, xfce 4.8 might be better, i don't know
21:29<philipp>scraze okey... tell me whats next when u know... i try to find out if mosno or onryo are hot and female meanwhile :P
21:29<mosno>philipp, this is debian, of course you can
21:30<mosno>philipp, freenode is the wrong place to pick up :)
21:30<scraze>haha, sure :)
21:30<philipp>mosno u sure? can u check again? =/
21:31<onryo>mosno xfce looks soooo bad unless you customize it. I have two panels even the debian icon where the Applications menus are. A lot of work but worth it.
21:31<mosno>again, it wasn't the look that i had a problem with, it was the functionality
21:31<mosno>although i wish the project every success
21:31<onryo>mosno I can agree it does need some work.
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21:32<onryo>mosno but its miles better then Unity or Gnome3.
21:32<philipp>unity was interresting for me for a while but now its just anoying
21:33<mosno>onryo, better than unity. not sure about gnome3
21:33<mosno>(because i haven't tested it properly)
21:34<onryo>mosno I tried for 3 weeks to get used to Gnome3 but it ended up with me pouring a scotch and saying F#¤% this. I really did try though =)
21:34<philipp>ye maybe just a simple command line is the best
21:34<scraze>!tell philipp about debian/rules
21:34<scraze>just a tiny step further
21:35<onryo>philipp some of the tile wm are not that bad. If your into them. Awesome is nice for example.
21:35<mosno>onryo, i am reserving judgement until sometime after the wheezy freeze
21:36<philipp>scraze ye but make what? =/
21:37<philipp>in my opinion the only way to make life bareable is with HUGE amounts of alcohol and drugs
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21:38<philipp>but maybe a nice female on ur side does the trick too
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21:39<onryo>mosno I really am hopping for the best with Gnome3. Its just to much work to do with I did with my system. Gnome started out in in 1997 to get to 2.32 and Gnome3 still has a lot of growing pains.
21:39<scraze>philipp: just to be sure run debian/rules prepare-squeeze-backport in both squeeze-backports dirs
21:39<heikkila>mosno, this is OFTC ;)
21:40<mosno>heikkila, whoops!
21:40<mosno>heikkila, i'm connected to both
21:40<heikkila>I've figured :)
21:41<mosno>heikkila, this is what happens when i multitask ;)
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21:44<philipp>scraze sry i dont know how ><
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21:45<scraze>philipp: you have the svn in ~/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver and ~/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-support right ?
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21:45<scraze>philipp: and those dirs each contain a dir squeeze-backports?
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21:46<philipp>~/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver/squeeze-backports/debian/
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21:47<philipp>scrazes yes but there is a subdirectory before called debian
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21:48<philipp>what growing pain of gnome are you talking of? gnome runs smooth... just dont want that osx graphic style
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21:49<scraze>philipp: that's good, debian contains everything we need - except for one, I'll get to that later
21:50<scraze>philipp: and you have the same thing for nvidia-support right ?
21:50<scraze>meanwhile, do : aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot;
21:50<philipp>~/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver/squeeze-backports/debian/
21:50<scraze>you already have devscripts :p but aptitude knows that.
21:50<philipp>u mean that?
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21:51<scraze>no, if all is well you did two svn checkouts, the first one was for nvidia-graphics-driver and the other one was for nvidia-support
21:51<scraze>so the same dir but with nvidia-support instead of nvidia-graphics-driver
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21:52<philipp>~/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-support/squeeze-backports/debian
21:53<philipp>this one?
21:54<scraze>that's it :]
21:54<philipp>one of u guys wanna exchange jabber id with me?
21:54<philipp>i have 0 friends online =/
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21:56<scraze>philipp: so go into ~/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-support/squeeze-backports and run debian/rules prepare-squeeze-backport
21:56<scraze>then do the same in ~/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver/squeeze-backports
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21:56<scraze>while you're there, also do debian/rules get-orig-source in one
21:59<philipp>dh: Unknown sequence get-orig-source (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build clean install)
21:59<philipp>u mean binary?
21:59<philipp>binary works as target
21:59<scraze>squeek.. what was the command?
22:00<scraze>it should just download a file
22:00<philipp>debian/rules binary
22:01<philipp>no it built one
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22:01<scraze>well that can't be right .. :p
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22:02<philipp>what shall i do?
22:02<philipp>dh: Unknown sequence get-orig-source (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build clean install)
22:03<philipp>i just did binary
22:03<philipp>it did some building and made a .deb i think
22:04<philipp>it dont know get-orig-source nicht glaube ich
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22:04<scraze>phorce1_home: it should look like http://paste.debian.net/146828/
22:04<scraze>whooops, wrong completion
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22:05<philipp>i could try if install works
22:05<scraze>philipp: to see if any debs were really built: find ~/src/nvidia-backports/ | grep deb$
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22:07<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146829/
22:07<philipp>yes it seems so... thats good?
22:07<dioz>is this #debian of the debian operating system of the world amen?
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22:08<philipp>world amen?
22:08<philipp>debian is an OS
22:08<dioz>of the world
22:08<dioz>amen
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22:08<philipp>no from the earth
22:08<dioz>you're trollin me now bro
22:08<dioz>arencha
22:09<philipp>world earth
22:09<scraze>philipp: I thought there should be a nvidia version number in the package names but other than that, looks interesting..
22:09<dioz>i crossed my legs and accidentally kind of sacked myself
22:09<philipp>shall i install both?
22:09<dioz>the worst feeling in the world
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22:10<scraze>philipp: first try to get the same for nvidia-graphics-driver :]
22:10<philipp>dioz i once brushed my teeth and hit my eye with the toothbrush
22:10<scraze>xD
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22:14<scraze>philipp: if you have a deb for nvidia-graphics-driver as well, then I say give it a whirl :]
22:14<philipp>i dont have ><
22:14<philipp>it does not work >><<
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22:15<scraze>ok then let's just take the originally planned route ;p
22:16<philipp>wich is?
22:16<scraze>can you pastebin the output of cd /root/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver/squeeze-backports/; debian/rules get-orig-source ?
22:17<scraze>then to be sure (don't know if it came through) aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot
22:17<philipp>its downloading....
22:17<scraze>oh, nice :]
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22:18<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146830/
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22:20<philipp>get-orig-source makes an error...
22:23<scraze>it should also download the normal NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.36.run, to correct: cd /root/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver/get-orig-source/; wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/275.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.36.run
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22:24<philipp>yeeeeeeeeee
22:24<philipp>it downloads
22:24<philipp>im so happy =]
22:24<philipp>hit the 100
22:24<philipp>get-orign-src?
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22:27<dioz>philipp: i have totally done that
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22:28<scraze>unfortunately debian/rules get-orig-source does not check whether the files are already downloaded, so let's make a quick hack; open debian/rules in a text editor, go to line 346 / search for get-orig-source, then comment the lines 347 to 351 by putting a # in front (so from rm -rf to test )
22:28<scraze>then run debian/rules get-orig-source
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22:31<philipp>i try
22:32<philipp>wich lines are they
22:32<philipp>i have no line counter
22:33<philipp>on it
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22:34<scraze>philipp: to make it easier :p : mv debian/rules debian/rules.backup; wget -O debian/rules http://paste.debian.net/download/146831
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22:35<damiano>can anyone suggest me any widget that shows CPU job and other things on the desktop?
22:35<scraze>and permissions: chmod 766 debian/rules
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22:37<philipp>ls: cannot access *-x86-*.run: No such file or directory
22:37<philipp>i made chmod +x
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22:38<philipp>u need the paste?
22:39<philipp>ur thinking?
22:40<scraze>philipp: it's looking for that file in get-orig-source, that dir was created by debian/ruless get-orig-src and should still be at /root/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver/get-orig-source/
22:40<scraze>a paste couldn't hurt :]
22:41<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146832/
22:41<philipp>dude there is a .run in the dir
22:42<scraze>ah, that one should be in get-orig-source
22:44<philipp>i moved it in the debian folder... no good...
22:44<scraze>eep, no, I meant that NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.36.run should be in get-orig-source, so mv debian/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.36.run get-orig-source
22:46<philipp>its gone no < . <
22:46<philipp>i cant find it
22:46<philipp>lawl
22:47<scraze>find /root/src/ | grep NVIDIA :P?
22:49<philipp>/root/src/nvidia-backports/nvidia-graphics-driver/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.36.run
22:49<philipp>haha
22:49<philipp>cant stop laughting
22:49<philipp>thx man!
22:49<philipp>it worked
22:49<scraze>it's probably a good idea to back those two .run's up ( / copy the get-orig-source dir ) because debian/rules throws it away
22:49<scraze>oh.. too late :p
22:50<scraze>the final step is a little confusing, I think you're supposed to do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us but I get an error here
22:50<philipp>xD
22:50<philipp>i like you =]
22:50<philipp>u have to give me ur jabber adress after
22:51<scraze>why thanks :] I don't do IMs though .. but I'll be here
22:51<philipp>so
22:51<philipp>now
22:51<philipp>bianary?
22:51<philipp>rules binary?
22:51<philipp>im to scare to do it without ur confirm =S
22:52<scraze>that might be good as well, but over here it gives the same error as pkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us .. I'm on wheezy though
22:52<scraze>that should be dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us
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22:52<marioxcc>hello
22:52<philipp>mine is going crazy... i paste
22:52<marioxcc>when trying to install qemu-kvm I get
22:52<marioxcc>FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported
22:52<marioxcc>
22:52<marioxcc>
22:52<marioxcc>Module kvm_intel failed to load ... failed
22:52-!-marioxcc was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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22:53<marioxcc>sorry if those 2 lines are considered flood
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22:54<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146834/
22:54<scraze>marioxcc: if you're sure your motherboard has Intel KVM capabilities, perhaps you need to turn it on in the BIOS
22:55<scraze>philipp: you saw a lot more than those 5 lines right?
22:55<marioxcc>scraze: CPU has 'vmx' flag, I will check motherboard
22:55<philipp>ye but the terminal crashed i think
22:55<philipp>i try to get them again
22:56<scraze>philipp: try dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 2>&1 | pastebinit
22:56<scraze>or debian/rules binary 2>&1 | pastebinit
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22:57<scraze>(terminal works with different streams, main ones stdout and stderr, stdout (1) for normal output and stderr (2) for errors, a pipe usually catches only the stdout, 2>&1 reroutes the stderr stream to stdout so that everything is in stdout)
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23:00<philipp>i found it
23:00<philipp>on an other dektop B)
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23:00<scraze>found what :o?
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23:01<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/146835/
23:01<philipp>the terminal
23:01<philipp>its not crashed i moved it (somehow) to an other workspace
23:02<scraze>ah :} well snap, that's the same error I've been getting.. somewhere we need an extra step
23:03<philipp>can we do it?
23:03<scraze>I still think we can :p
23:03<philipp>letz do it
23:03<philipp>sleep is overrated
23:03<scraze>indeed
23:03<philipp>u know whats going wrong?
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23:04<scraze>not entirely, it's something in the unpack_stamp portion of debian/rules
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23:06<philipp>u can find out?
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23:07<scraze>I'm trying to :p I wish there was an INSTALL file
23:08<scraze>or anbe was a bot that needed no sleep :p
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23:09<philipp>like you
23:10<scraze>shh, it's a secret
23:11<philipp>u have a idea what we can do
23:11<philipp>cause im so clueless what we r even doing....
23:11<scraze>heh.. there is a build_module_packages.sh, that seems to do a lot more
23:11<scraze>so maybe just try that.. cd debian; sh build_module_packages.sh
23:11<scraze>it may explode, I don't know :]
23:12<cesurasean>fucking debian. how do i purge files when removing them?
23:12<scraze>whoops, those are hyphens: sh build-module-packages.sh
23:12<cesurasean>apt-get remove --purge?
23:13<scraze>that should work, also aptitude purge
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23:15<philipp>it made an error somewhere in the middle but ended smoothly...
23:15<scraze>philipp: for me it built .deb packages in /usr/src but only for nvidia-kernel
23:16<philipp>ye i got debs there too
23:16<philipp>nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686_195.36.31-6+2.6.32-38_i386.deb
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23:18<scraze>since your current situation is quite horrible, you /could/ try to install that one and the debs from nvidia-support .. first uninstall the packages you have right now though: apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
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23:19<scraze>if it says it can't find nvidia-kernel-2.6.32 or something, just do apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-dkms
23:19<marioxcc>thanks to whoever reminded me to enable the virtualization instructions in the BIOS, hehe
23:19<marioxcc>that was the problem
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23:20<philipp>there is a directory with source files of some nvidia stuff
23:20<philipp>with a makefile
23:20<philipp>u seen that?
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23:20<philipp>Building and installing the NVIDIA kernel module:
23:20<philipp> $ make module
23:21<scraze>yeah, that's probably in /usr/src/modules/
23:21<scraze>but it doesn't involve the rest of the debian-specific stuff
23:21<philipp>okey lets clean up the mess *g*
23:23<philipp>u know how my graphic card was called?
23:24<scraze>,pciid 10de:1200
23:24<judd>[10de:1200] is 'GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1200 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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23:25<philipp>500 something it was....
23:25<philipp>got it
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23:25<scraze>meh .. maybe it's better to go with NVIDIA's own installer until the nvidia-graphics-driver and nvidia-support packages hit squeeze-backports in a few days :/
23:25<philipp>hope i can unistall it after a while
23:25<scraze>me too :]
23:26<scraze>sniff.. I failed!
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23:26<philipp>you were awsome
23:27<philipp>if u would be hot and female i would marry u
23:27<scraze>haha :]
23:27<philipp>(concider it doing it anyway)
23:27<sney>when the nvidia driver is backported, hopefully nvidia-installer-cleanup will be as well
23:27<philipp>nah im kidding
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23:27<philipp>if not i just reinstall my debian
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23:28<philipp>scraze the installer wants me to stop x for install... this is goodby
23:28<philipp>feels strange ur were awsome
23:29<philipp>sencerely hope i see u again man
23:30<scraze>ok :) well good luck, the installer should create a xorg.conf that works .. have fun :] and may I say it's a joy to work with an enthusiastic 'noob' as well ;]
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23:31<philipp>=)
23:31<philipp>bye
23:31<scraze>cheers philipp !
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23:34<philipp>lol it just worked
23:34<philipp>thats kinda funny thats kinda sad xD
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23:54<wayne>Hey guys, I'm have a really, really hard time getting wireless to work with Linux mint Debian. Anybody know about pre made drivers to connect without everything else.
23:54<wayne>I'm having a hard time with getting wireless to work
23:55<wayne>I found, the mac address and I think the SSID is the routers name ? and the code below that looks like the mac address I got that too yet the wireless still doesn't work
23:55<sney>!otherchannel wayne #linuxmint-help irc.spotchat.org
23:55<dpkg>wayne: The channel you are looking for is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org. Please do /server irc.spotchat.org and then /join #linuxmint-help. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-help
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