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00:26<wamani>Morning dreamfishers, how many will be having a generous heart today?
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00:52<andrew09>Hi, What's the iptables syntax to forward something coming from a specific interface and IP address to a specific interface? example from to interface eth3
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01:13<cesurasean>guys, i keep getting this damned message when upgrading from lenny to squeeze!!!!!!! - insserv: warning: script 'K01stunnel' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'stunnel' missing LSB tags and overrides,
01:13<cesurasean>Tests have determined that problems in the boot system exist which prevent migration to dependency-based boot sequencing:
01:14<cesurasean>someone please help!!! i need a super hero here! lol i forgot all this stuff since i switched to squeeze!!
01:14<jm_>do you still use stunnel? what state is the package in?
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01:19<cesurasean>i removed stunnel
01:19<cesurasean>actually i think i needed it
01:19<cesurasean>i may have made a regression
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01:19<cesurasean>i think iw as using haproxy with stunnel, does this sound right?
01:19<cesurasean>stunnel for SSL?
01:20<cesurasean>but, i installed it, and shit so it didnt seem installed though. not sure if maybe when i did the stunnel4 and removed it, if maybe it removed sunntel
01:21<cesurasean>i wish debian had an option to slow down the update and such and easier to SEE whats going on!!!
01:21<cesurasean>so i can catch bugs easier!
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01:21<JoeKickass>you can scroll up with shift-pgup
01:21<cesurasean>where does the script stunnel lie, can i not remove it to trick the reconfigure, and then add it back?
01:22<cesurasean>well i use putty,
01:22<cesurasean>and it only stores so many lines
01:22<JoeKickass>it's in /etc/init.d
01:22<cesurasean>someday i will learn microsoft and make my own ssh client that does what putty does not haha
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01:22<cesurasean>so, it's bitching about stunnel in /etc/init.d?
01:23<JoeKickass>it's bitching that the file /etc/init.d/stunnel does not have LSB headers
01:23<cesurasean>how do i check if stunnel is installed?
01:23<cesurasean>whereis stunnel?
01:23<cesurasean>i think i had to compile from source
01:23<cesurasean>thats why i was able to use aptget to install it
01:23<cesurasean>and thats why its not fixing the problem
01:24<JoeKickass>that doesn't matter, you can just add the headers. They're already on every other file in there, just copy and paste, you'll have to think logically about what they need to say
01:24<cesurasean>thats the case
01:24<cesurasean>its a compile stunnel
01:24<cesurasean>so how do i fix it? fuck with the init files?
01:24<JoeKickass>yes. like I just said
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01:25<cesurasean>so the header is changed?
01:25<cesurasean>i dont see that difference
01:25<cesurasean>begin init info? that stuff?
01:25<jm_>dpkg -s stunnel4
01:25<dpkg>You Fool! stunnel4 is installed!
01:25<JoeKickass>as of squeeze, the init scripts need those headers. Your thinger does not have them, so you need to add them... capeesh?
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01:26<cesurasean>i removed stunnel4
01:27<cesurasean>those headers meaning what?
01:27<cesurasean>the begin init info stuff?
01:27<cesurasean>apt-get remove --purge stunnel4
01:27<JoeKickass>then you can remove /etc/init.d/stunnel and proceed with the upgrade (retry the step that failed)
01:27<jm_>!missing lsb info
01:27<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added:
01:27<jm_>in that case K01stunnel should have been removed
01:28<cesurasean>ok now it just says this; insserv: warning: script 'K01stunnel' missing LSB tags and overrides,
01:29<cesurasean>where is K01?
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01:30<cesurasean>i found 3 of them on system
01:30<jm_>find /etc/rc*|grep stunnel
01:30<cesurasean>so i must remove all 3?
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01:32<cesurasean>nope i edited those files or chmod them 000 or whatever and still same problem
01:33<cesurasean>how can i update the files to make them work??!
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01:34<cesurasean>insserv: warning: script 'K01stunnel' missing LSB tags and overrides, - FUCK
01:34<cesurasean>must i remove the files?
01:34<cesurasean>i try to just change chmod
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01:37<cesurasean>that was real fun! lol
01:37<cesurasean>finally got it.
01:37<cesurasean>had to remove those files, and i guess ill put them back. :P
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01:40<cesurasean>thanks guys. y'all take care while im gone!!! peace out!
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02:06<lastwill>Does anyone know why Enigmail generates 1 public key with 1 subkey?
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02:06<lastwill>I don't understand the goal of the subkey.
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02:10<OpenTokix>lastwill: for the actual email address?
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02:11<lastwill>Yes for the same email address.
02:12<lastwill>I've just created 1 pair and I see a subkey in the details.
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02:15<OpenTokix>lastwill: yes, for the email address you have for the key. (I assume) then you can change email, revoce the subkey and still have you pubkey intact for the new email.
02:16<lastwill>I was expecting to see only 1 public key. It sounds weird to me.
02:17<OpenTokix>lastwill: probably the key is named username@machine-name, with the email subkey
02:20<lastwill>It seems to be tagged with the same username and email address.
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02:38<cesurasean>hey guys. i upgraded to squeeze, and then now i can't connect to my box. seems i can ping the network card itself, but not my own router. any ideas?
02:38<cesurasean>maybe im missing the firmware-nonfree?
02:39<cesurasean>i didn't touch any cabling or anything either. once i had fully upgraded i rebooted, and same problem.
02:39<cesurasean>can ping both network cards in the box, but can't seem to connect to other machines
02:39<cesurasean>or connect to the box
02:39<cesurasean>ifconfig shows it has an ip address......
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02:42<cesurasean>please help me!!!!! :)
02:43<ompaul>cesurasean: what did you upgrade from?
02:44<ompaul>if it has an ip address it got that after it rebooted, what kind of networking is it
02:45<ompaul>(that is unless you have one specified in /etc/network/interfaces
02:45<cesurasean>to squeeze
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02:45<cesurasean>everything looks good on the terminal, i can log in whatever, but networking is shot.
02:45<cesurasean>2 different cards, too.
02:46<ompaul>are they for different networks?
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02:46<cesurasean>and i get no route to host when i ping the router
02:46<cesurasean>same network
02:46<cesurasean>one comes in, and then 1 goes out
02:46<lastwill>Ethernet or WiFi?
02:46<ompaul>change the wiring
02:46<cesurasean>i didnt touch the wires
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02:46<cesurasean>nor touch the box
02:47<cesurasean>i just rebooted after upgrade
02:47<ompaul>I wonder if the upgrade changed eth0 for 1
02:47<lastwill>did you disabled the DHCP server on the box?
02:47<cesurasean>eth1 or eth0 should both work
02:48<cesurasean>i dont use DHCP, lastwill
02:48<cesurasean>it's some config issue or something with upgrading
02:48<cesurasean>and i love to fix this as this machine is in production lol
02:48<ompaul>cesurasean: one in one out - so the question I'm asking has squeeze got them the wrong way around
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02:49<cesurasean>neither card can ping the router!
02:49<cesurasean>but they can ping themselves
02:49<cesurasean>i can ping , and .4
02:49<cesurasean>but not .1 which is router
02:49<cesurasean>pinging router says no route to host
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02:49<JoeKickass>cesurasean: perhaps because you removed the stunnel thing
02:49<lastwill>Have you set a gateway to pass through your router?
02:49<cesurasean>what would stunnel have to do with networking?
02:50<ompaul>bring one of the interfaces down if you have not got jnettop installed (no it's not java) get it from the box you are on packages.debian and install it manually, then look at traffic on the interfaces see what they can see
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02:50<ompaul>maybe you get a clue from there
02:50*ompaul pours a hot irish one for Bushmills
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02:51<cesurasean>is it possible the correct firmware-nonfree is not installed?
02:51<cesurasean>and that's the cause?
02:51<cesurasean>seems a driver issue maybe
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02:51<Bushmills>a toddy?
02:51<ompaul>cesurasean: if you are going to second guess my guesses and ideas given I'm running away it is unlikely but you could download it and load it the way I suggested the other also
02:51<ompaul>Bushmills: aye
02:51<lastwill>but if you can ping the router the broken link lie between your router and the box
02:51<ompaul>keep the cold out
02:52<lastwill>can you ping the box from the router interface?
02:54<cesurasean>i can not ping the box
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02:54<cesurasean>in unplugged both cables and plugged back in. no cigar.
02:54<cesurasean>seems the upgrade fubar my networking
02:55<cesurasean>i check resolv.conf, and /etc/network/interfaces
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02:57<lastwill>have you replaced the cable?
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02:58<cesurasean>i replaced the cables
02:58<cesurasean>same thing
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03:02<stanislav>Hi. DesktopVisor - is it good name program for monitor desktop computers?
03:05<cesurasean>can someone help me?
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03:27<cesurasean>so, no one can help me get my network working again?
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03:29<lastwill>sorry but i have no idea if not it's an upgrade problem.
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03:30<lastwill>usually i prefer a complete installation to avoid such problems
03:30<fanto666>do you see any packets from network?
03:30<fanto666>tcpdump -i <interface> -n
03:30<cesurasean>i replaced 2 different cards, same problem
03:30<cesurasean>so the problem is not the card
03:31<cesurasean>some other part of debian is fucked
03:31<fanto666>different pieces or different type?
03:31<cesurasean>they can ping themselves
03:31<cesurasean>but not outside that
03:31<fanto666>correct netmask?
03:31<cesurasean>interfaces file never changed
03:32<fanto666>ok, do you see traffic from network and does any other host traffic from you?
03:34<cesurasean>why do you ask me that?
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03:45<fanto666>well do you want to solve the problem?
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03:45<fanto666>are all the interfaces on? do they see network alive?
03:46<fanto666>you can ping your interfaces even without cables iirc
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03:59<Marco>is any expert of apache can help me in private chat for a domain prob? work but no!
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04:05<grove>Marco: I'll put you on ignore if you pm me about it, but that sounds like a DNS issue rather than an apache issue
04:06<Marco>thank a lot sorry
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04:34<g0rs>is it possible to use a cloaked ip address?
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04:41<SynrG>you're likely already aware of tor. in general, all anonymity on the internet is pseudoanonymity. at some point you have to trust someone that they won't reveal your real ip#.
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05:00<Mcpk>hi, I'm really new to linux anyone willing to offer some help?
05:01<devil>Mcpk: just ask
05:01<Mcpk>I'm trying to set up a ftp
05:01<Mcpk>and I'm running into quite a few problems
05:02<Mcpk>I tried stuff online but it hasn't exactly worked
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05:02<jm_>are you using debian?
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05:03<Mcpk>I'm using ubentu
05:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:03<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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05:05<Mcpk>I havn't really used unbentu that much would you suggest using debian over it?
05:06<Bushmills>otherwise we'd all be using ubuntu, wouldn't we?
05:06<Mcpk>what is the difference?
05:07<Bushmills>ask #ubuntu what they made different to #debian
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05:09<lastwill>Mcpk: See the difference:
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05:13<Eren>I'm experienced in packaging, repository maintaining, etc. I've been a developer of a local linux distribution here
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05:14<Eren>I need to learn how is the process in debian for packaging
05:14<Eren>I've found a documentation but it says it's obsolete
05:14<Eren>and I could not find a recent document
05:14<devil>Eren: you might be better off in #debian-mentors
05:14<Eren>devil: thank you
05:15<lastwill>Eren: you should install the maint-guide package.
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05:17<Eren>lastwill: maintainer's guide?
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05:22<Eren>lastwill: found it online. It seems it is what I was looking for
05:23<Eren>the quick question (without RTFM) if you can excuse me, how architecture-dependent patches and configurations are handled in packages, and how it is build?
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05:24<Eren>it was a hard problem for us because our package manager was not intended to support multi-architectures (only x86). We did a little bit workaround that we added a keyword for Patch pointing out that this patch is only for that architecture (e.g arm)
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05:25<jm_>well you can easily make generic patches that have #ifdef for given arch
05:25<jm_>as for build - dpkg-buildpackage, or front-ends, like debuild
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05:26<Eren>jm_: so in the debian source, it's handled with preprocessor?
05:26<jm_>Eren: to be honest, I don't know, but it shouldn't be hard to check
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05:28<Marco>hi i am getting HTTP/1.1 500 Server Error on Server: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) if i do not write www before my domain. the DNS records are ok. there are 2 e xxxx type A pointing to the IP of the server. Anyone can help me?
05:29<lastwill>you should be able to manage the architecture in your build script and makefiles from the source
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05:30<lastwill>Marco: You should write a redirection from to xxx.
05:31<Marco> a cname possible xxx to ?
05:31<pron>Marco: you got serveralias ?
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05:31<lastwill>see you apache config file
05:31<pron>i mean you can have 1 servername and lots of serveraliases
05:31<Marco>ok thanks i will see
05:31<pron>then , check what your serverside code does
05:32<Marco>htaccess also?
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05:32<pron>maybe some rwerite or stuf fliek that is messing up
05:32<pron>soz for tons of typos ;x
05:32<lastwill>i don't think the htaccess file manages aliases
05:32<pron>it doe snot manage aliases
05:33<pron>but there might be some stuff that messes up
05:33<pron>other things
05:33<Marco>so could be enoght add a cname record in dns like ->
05:33<Marco>now with www is workin
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05:33<pron>well , you have access/error log definition in your virtualhost
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05:34<pron>check those files tocheck if the request goes to correct vhost first
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05:34<Marco>right thx a lot pron for the moment
05:35<pron>imho you can get some 5xx error if rewrite goes to endless loop or things like that =)
05:36<Marco>ok good to know
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05:37<pron>Marco: just apaches error log can help too
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05:48<nah>it is better to install full system with everything i wont and then upgrade to testing or install just minimal and after upgrade it install other stuff?
05:49<pron>i would say minimal =)
05:49<pron>but, why u cant install just testing
05:49<pron>without upgrade
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05:50<nah>i tried a day before yesterday and it failed to boot
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05:55<pron>not mutch inf bout what exactly failed ;x
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05:58<nah>dont realu know- after message that it waitingo for /dev to populate it just stop to boot and after few minutes just reboot itself
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06:00<nah>it don't matter now cause i just formated this disk
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06:22<afuentes>ive got this at the beggining of one of my init.d scripts ${DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG:+ set -v -x} but im not that familiar with bash to know how i am suppose to use the debug with those scripts
06:22<afuentes>can anybody help me?
06:24<jm_>afuentes: set DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG variable or simply edit it and enable it uconditionaly
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06:26<afuentes>thanks jm_
06:26<jm_>afuentes: no worries
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07:08<project2501a>oh shit. wheezy has no /lib/ soft link
07:08<project2501a>there goes Platform LSF
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07:10<philipp>someone here who know pulseaudio?
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07:19<OdyX>joss: you want to stop those "what I am listening" notifications.
07:19*joss Escuchando: Dr. John "Skoo Ra" (Album: The Anthology)
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07:26<project2501a>can i declare a dependency within a shell script and then some tool or another pick that dependency up?
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07:33<philipp_>guys im too stupid to configure pulseaudio... no program notices that i installed it...
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07:34<project2501a>philipp_: sokay, pulse audio does not really have any easy way of being configured, in the first place
07:34<project2501a>it is not an easy piece of software
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07:49<philipp_>how can i stop pulseaudio?
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07:52<philipp_>come on be helpful -.-
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07:55<philipp_>ahhh that might help
07:55<philipp_>ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:995:(_snd_pcm_pulse_open) Unknown field
07:55<philipp_>its an error isnt it?
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08:06<project2501a>philipp_: yes it is
08:06<project2501a>philipp_: to stop paulseaudio, i would guess you have to be root and do /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop
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08:10<project2501a>philipp_: it is an error, but not a configuration error
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08:27<kie27>hiya all, saw a video about a plugin for gimp called mathmap that let's you do the droste effect, i wanted to try it but I can't find the mathmap in any repositories (i think it was there a couple of years ago), anyone have any idea what happened to it?
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08:28<philipp_>guys how to upgrade to testing?
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08:29<project2501a>philipp_: did you try googling your question?
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08:32<philipp_>actually no... im not even sure if i want to
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08:33<philipp_>you could help me
08:34<metaspike>philipp_, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list then - aptitude dist-upgrade
08:34<philipp_>i installed an new debian and im noob... what are the first things u do to fit ur debian in?
08:34<philipp_>metaspike thx
08:34<metaspike>you might want to take a long hard look at the debian wiki
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08:35<OpenTokix>philipp_: edit /etc/inputrc and uncomment: set bell-style none
08:36<philipp_>i thought more on thinks like install graphic driver (what i already did)
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08:37<project2501a>philipp_: you want to.
08:37<philipp_>nvidia... had to do the nvidia version cause my driver is too new for debian version
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08:38<jm_>probably the card is too new, not the driver
08:38<philipp_>come on guys.... u know what i mean, install gracard, install pulseaudio, edit souces with contrib and non free
08:38<philipp_>whats next?
08:39<metaspike>lol, that depends what you're trying to do with your computer philipp_
08:39<project2501a>philipp_: you might want to start with reading "Learning the Unix Operating System" 6th edition, by O'Reilly and Associates.
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08:40<philipp_>u guys are very low help...
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08:40<project2501a>philipp_: here is not #ubuntu
08:40<OpenTokix>philipp_: your question is like asking: how long is a rope, very open ended with no "right answer"
08:40<project2501a>hand-holding is minimum.
08:41<OpenTokix>project2501a: But there is no reason to be rude either.
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08:42<philipp_>sry... waiting for my medicine... while i dont have im pretty much braindead
08:42<philipp_>need to wait till 6pm
08:42<babilen>philipp_: I've read what you've been doing last night -- I think that it was way too complicated (for people not accustomed to packaging) and that a straight backport of the driver should have been enough. (/msg dpkg ssb) Unfortunaly I and anbe weren't around anymore.
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08:43<babilen>philipp_: Running testing requires some knowledge of Debian as you *will* run into problems and I wouldn't recommend it to someone new to Debian.
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08:43<philipp_>babilen it was fine... i installed the nvidia vesion
08:43<metaspike>debian has aptitude, use aptitude/synaptic to find out what's avalible software wise, if you have something specific to accomplish- then just be specific and someone here can probably help.
08:43<jm_>heh having that on backports would be really neat
08:43<babilen>jm_: "that" ?
08:43<jm_>babilen: nvidia
08:44<babilen>jm_: It is in bdo's NEW queue right now --
08:44<philipp_>okey problem 1: pulseaudio crashes when i start urban terror
08:44<jm_>babilen: very nice, so we will soon be able to direct people to use that, thank you
08:44<babilen>.oO( Don't start Urban Terror )
08:45<babilen>jm_: Thank anbe who packaged it :) But yeah, that is great.
08:45<philipp_>urban terror is a awsome game
08:45<jm_>i will soon need it before i upgrde to 3.0 kernel too
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08:46<jm_>so less work doing it myself
08:46<babilen>philipp_: Do you get any error messages? Does it happen without PA? How did you setup PA (did you?) ? Does it happen with other applications?
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08:46<philipp_>on it to paste...
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08:49<philipp_>babilen u got it?
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08:50<metaspike>philipp_, pulseaudio is pretty shifty (imho), and outdated quake3 ports wont support the new version correctly or at all.
08:50<babilen>philipp_: Please learn patience
08:50<babilen>philipp_: Could you create /etc/asound.conf with and try again? (You have to restart PA, which can be done by logging out and back in, or by running ...
08:50<babilen>philipp_: Here is my (unfinished) reply for the impatient
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08:50<babilen>It might turn out that UT is not running with P
08:50<babilen>A at all
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08:52<philipp_>babilen sry i was not sure u have seen my response... well thats exact what i have in my asound.conf
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08:53<babilen>philipp_: th4t's g8! nO workie tau? ("That is great, but it is not working?)
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08:54<babilen>philipp_: Well, try it with plain alsa then -- "pulseaudio -k" will kill the PA daemon, but that assumes that alsa is configured properly.
08:54<metaspike>yup that's the simple solution
08:55<philipp_>babilen it seems so... music stopped but now i have no sound entirely
08:56<babilen>philipp_: But UT starts?
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08:57<philipp_>babilen ut started before too... just with no sound...
08:57<philipp_>same result now
08:57<metaspike>philipp_, aptitude purge pulseaudio
08:58<metaspike> /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
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08:58<metaspike>(as root) - to remove pulseaudio and restart the alsa sound system.
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08:59<philipp_>done but pulseaudio seems still down i did the -k thing...
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08:59<babilen>philipp_: Searching for this problem online yields a plethora of hits. It appears as if you need to install the "libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio" package, but I haven't investigated this issue enough to be entirely sure. I would suggest that you read some of the bug reports as well, so we can share the work.
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09:01<philipp_>babilen how to start pulseaudio again?
09:01<babilen>philipp_: "man pulseaudio" → "pulseaudio --start"
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09:02<project2501a>theoretically speaking, how should one detect if multiarch is there or not?
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09:02<philipp_>it doesent find pulseaudio anymore at all now o_O
09:02<philipp_>i reinstall
09:02<project2501a>and how does one write scripts in lenny/squeeze that are "future-proof" against multi arch?
09:02<babilen>philipp_: it can't find it if you purged it earlier
09:02<project2501a>man,i 'm confused
09:03<philipp_>babilen is that good or bad?
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09:04<babilen>project2501a: (plus top-level pages, there is also #multiarch) -- You might be interested in "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH" ...
09:04<philipp_>well i have no sound now at all... shall i restart my system?
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09:05<babilen>philipp_: Please do that
09:05<project2501a>babilen: ta
09:05<babilen>philipp_: What exactly should be good or bad?
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09:09<philipp>music working again
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09:10<babilen>philipp: Did you reinstall PA? What about the libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio? How does UT behave?
09:10<project2501a>"Users can use your library package with userspace emulators such as qemu without needing to use a dedicated chroot - making it easier to build environments that emulate only the parts that need emulating." so one of the goals of multiarch is to be able to emulate all/most machines and/or environments with the minimum of changes.
09:10<babilen>project2501a: Indeed
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09:11<project2501a>and so far chroot was used to minimize the damage done by libraries that had the same name but different architecture
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09:11<project2501a>man, i am not that stupid after all.
09:11<philipp>babilen i reinstalled pulseaudio after the purge and the lib u tould me... music works but ut dont starts anymore (error with video mode o_O)
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09:12<babilen>philipp: Well, we can not really support UT, but you might paste the error anyway as the solution/problem might be obvious.
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09:14<philipp>how can a change in audio settings cause a video error?
09:15<babilen>philipp: What does "glxinfo" give you?
09:15<babilen>(and your Xorg.0.log)
09:15<project2501a>i have a system from squeeze -> wheeze but i cannot quite reboot it as it is in ram only. what will happen if i keep running with the old version of udev?
09:16<philipp>odd very odd...
09:16<babilen>Guess that your shiny new nvidia setup is borked ...
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09:17<philipp>babilen i can do the setup again but i have to stop gdm3 shall i?
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09:19<babilen>philipp: I am still waiting for the Xorg.0.log -- But the nvidia installer is known to not respect Debian's GLX setup and I guess that it is borked now. That is one of the reasons why we recommend to use the Debian packages. Reinstalling the nvidia driver might help, but you'd have to ask #nvidia ( for support with that.
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09:19<metaspike>!tell philipp nvidia
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09:21<philipp>babilen i dont find the log
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09:21<philipp>i try to reinsall nvidia brb
09:21<metaspike>dpkg nvidia
09:21<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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09:25<Lantizia>Hey I have 5 packages that are not in repositories, can I somehow pre-cache them with apt (as though apt did download them from repositories and knows about them in it's index) and install them via apt-get rather than dpkg ?
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09:26<babilen>!tell Lantizia -about own repo
09:26<babilen>Lantizia: something like that?
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09:26<Lantizia>babilen, nah I don't want to create a repository as the packages won't stay around on the system
09:26<babilen>hh: *never* identify within a channel as you might leak your password
09:27<babilen>Lantizia: In that case "No"
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09:27<philipp>rofl it got like 1000 errors back what did not work but urban terror seems to run now proberply
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09:27<philipp>love you guys
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09:36<project2501a>i have a system from squeeze -> wheeze but i cannot quite reboot it as it is in ram only. what will happen if i keep running with the old version of udev?
09:36<hh>So what is this chatroom for?
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09:38<hh>I haven't used irc in over a decade, I think. Is it like DC++ where each person can share a folder and I can search for shared files?
09:38<project2501a>it's more like a series of tubes
09:39<philipp>well guys the sound sounds different in ut
09:39<philipp>i would say...softer
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09:40<heikkila>hh, irc is about the same it was 10 years ago, this is a support channel for Debian
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09:45<Lantizia>babilen, that info that dpkg-scanpackages puts in Packages... can it be output by dpkg (i.e. if I can dpkg per package and >> it to one Packages file)
09:46<Lantizia>dpkg --info doesn't seem to be the same
09:46<dpkg>i don't know, Lantizia
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09:47<Lantizia>dpkg -f !!
09:47<dpkg>i haven't a clue, Lantizia
09:47<philipp>guys can we try to increase the quality of my pulseaudio sound?
09:48<babilen>Lantizia: What's wrong with dpkg-scanpackages?
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09:49<Lantizia>babilen, where i'll be generating the Packages file the .deb's are in several directories... but when Packages will be read (the end system) they'll all be in one directory... dpkg-scanpackages is doing relative paths
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09:49<Lantizia>not got many packages anyway so figured it may be easier just to ls them dpkg -f and >> to Packages
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10:07<Lantizia>babilen, this works too :) find . -iname '*.deb' -type f -exec dpkg -f {} \; -exec echo Filename: {} \; >> Packages
10:07<Lantizia>quite literally bob a load of .debs in a dir, run that... add the dir to your repos... away you go :P
10:09<Lantizia>aww damn Size mismatch :S
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10:11<philipp>guys did i mention that i love you?
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10:39<screenn>how to detect more than 1tb hdd's in debian?
10:39<cmr>screenn: What do you mean detect?
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10:42<hx>where are you, guys
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10:42<screenn>I've added 2tb hdd and detected as 1tb hdd
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10:43<cmr>screenn: Added how? Detected how?
10:43<screenn>did you try 2 tb hdd's in debian?
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10:43<screenn>now it's still 1tb
10:43<cmr>I use my 1.5TB hard drive all the time.
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10:43<screenn>but 2tb in BIOS
10:44<cmr>screenn: I ask you again, added how, and what is detecting it?
10:44<screenn>2TB in bios, I got it 1TB in debian
10:44<prgmrchris>screenn: you need to use gpt partitioning
10:44<screenn>addet to sata
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10:44<screenn>fdisk detecting by fdisk -l
10:44<prgmrchris>fdisk doesnt read gpt i dont think
10:44<prgmrchris>use parted
10:45<cmr>screenn: then what prgmrchris said, you can't use fdisk. Use gdisk or parted
10:45<screenn>prgmrchris are you sure it helps, fdisk -l -> output 1tb hdd
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10:45<prgmrchris>screenn: yes fdisk will not work
10:45<prgmrchris>you need parted/gparted/gdisk
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10:47<screenn>parted shows -> Disk /dev/sdd: 1000GB
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10:47<cmr>screenn: did you already format the disk?
10:48<cmr>(Using fdisk)
10:48<screenn>how can I format my 2TB when I got 1TB only?
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10:48<screenn>I don't want 1TB partitioning
10:49<cmr>screenn: Has the disk already been partitioned?
10:49<screenn>clear partition table
10:50<cmr>screenn: and does gdisk also show 1TB?
10:50<jhutchins_lt>What size are the sectors?
10:51<jhutchins_lt>screenn: which kernel is this? (uname -r)
10:51<screenn>now, I'll paste output to pastezone
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10:53<screenn>maybe someone knows the way how to fix it problem?
10:53<jhutchins_lt>screenn: which kernel is this? (uname -r)
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10:59<pedro>Guys, I installed Quake 4 native and when I run the following error appears:
11:00<pedro>My video card is a 220 Gt 1Gb.
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11:01<INTERGALACTIC_COMMANDER>adakah orang indonesia di sini ?
11:02<pedro>Could anyone help me?
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11:03<babilen>pedro: What's your GPU and which driver do you use? Please also note that quake4 is not packaged for Debian and that we do not support it.
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11:04<XeonBloomfield>I am looking for Firestarter like software to prevent DoS/DDoS attacks for server.
11:05<pedro>Nvidia 220 Gt, and use a Nvidia-glx.
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11:05<babilen>pedro: How did you install it? Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" to ?
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11:09<XeonBloomfield>I am looking for anti DDoS solution.
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11:09<XeonBloomfield>Anyone knows any good solution?
11:10<cthuluh>unplug the cable
11:11<XeonBloomfield>cthuluh: something with smaller effect than filtering everything?
11:11<cthuluh>use netfilter's rate limiting capabilities?
11:12<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
11:13<jhutchins_lt>screenn: That doesn't appear to be a current Debian kernel. Perhaps you should update the system.
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11:16<dpkg>A firewall is a boundary - usually a computer or network appliance - between your private network and the Internet. A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. Ask me about <iptables>. See also <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <firehol>.
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11:17<jhutchins_lt>XeonBloomfield: Perhaps you should understand a little bit more about what you're trying to protect your system from, and how the linux firewall system works.
11:17<jhutchins_lt>XeonBloomfield: As the factoid says, the firewall can't really protect the system it's running on - once the packets have reached that machine it has to deal with them somehow.
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11:18<omry>anyone here has some experience with debian on ec2? I am trying to find a different kernel image for debian squeeze without much success
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11:18<omry>amazon ec2
11:18<omry>if you dont know that, you probably can't help :)
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11:19<sney>there are a lot of acronyms for things
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11:19<sney>I don't have any experience using it, but I suspect they do something special with the kernels. what's the full version? uname -r
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11:19<screenn>jhutchins_lt why you think it would help?
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11:20<jhutchins_lt>screenn: It would give you an environment we could check against a current install.
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11:21<jhutchins_lt>By the way, the partition table limit is 2TB, not 1TB.
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11:22<jillsmitt_>i have only 9.2 Gib of my / (root) partition and i have only 3 Gib free space, how can i change / (root) or /usr settings or maybe drive\partition settings to get up more space here
11:22<jillsmitt_>i have 200 Gib at /home
11:23<jhutchins_lt>screenn: I can guess a lot of things. It could be the driver for your controller isn't quite right. It could be other things. This does not appear to be a common problem, but in any case the first step is to install the current kernel.
11:23<tylerlong>Downs anyone know how to add an input box to the Openbox menu that allows me to run a command, similar to what Archbang has?
11:23<jillsmitt_>can i change it to 9 -> 15 and 200 -> 194 or something like that?
11:24<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: Before you do anything with the partitions make sure you have a good backup.
11:25<sney>omry: the people in #debian don't have experience with every single thing debian users want to do, but we know a lot about how debian works and how linux works in general, and we can often help people puzzle through just about anything. if you wait for a debian/ec2 expert you may be waiting a long time, but if a debian expert is good enough...
11:25<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: You can move things like /var and /etc to /home and bind-mount them.
11:26<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: What I would suggest is that you repartition to a single partition + swap so this doesn't happen again.
11:26<omry>sney, thanks. I know quite a bit about debian and I did upgrade/build kernels before. the ec2 way is different though.
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11:26<omry>sney, I am also approaching it on different channels, just thought I`ll ask here as well
11:27<jhutchins_lt>omry: What you really need is ec2 support rather than Debian support.
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11:27<omry>jhutchins, ec2 support will probably tell me debian is not supported.
11:27<omry>but I am already approaching them
11:28<omry>its fine if no one here can help, it was just a hopeful attempt.
11:29<sney>without you telling me anything about the problem, I'm going to guess that you need to build the kernel on a different system since it's unlikely that amazon allows a toolchain on their public servers. You will probably also need to apply a patch or two. no idea if they're free.
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11:29<jhutchins_lt>omry: That kind of thing is probably easier to find on a forum where the few other users don't have to be present in real time.
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11:31<jillsmitt_>jhutchins_lt, i dont have here more than 9 Gib device to back up now but where can i read more about moving /var and /usr at /home?
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11:32<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: In that case I would recommend against altering partitions.
11:33<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: man mount would be a place to start.
11:33<jhutchins_lt>You woulld copy the partition, update the fstab, mount it, verify that it boots, then delete the old partition (and maybe verify again).
11:34<jillsmitt_>will you here toworrow? when i record all to optical disks, i want to try altering but i afraid i will can not without help
11:35<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: There will probably be people who know more than me around tomorrow too.
11:35<jillsmitt_>i know the simplest way is nfs up and load all data to another debian computer then wipe all drive and partition again
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11:36<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: gparted can alter existing partitions, but that may be slower than repartitioning and restoring.
11:36<cmr>I'm not certain, but won't using LVM allow you to change sizes of volumes and such on-the-fly? Perhaps migrating to that would be easier for future things.
11:36<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: There will also be more people here from Europe during the business day there.
11:36<jillsmitt_>should i use it under this debian or i need to boot live drive for that?
11:37<jhutchins_lt>jillsmitt_: I understand that you _can_ use it from the system, but I would boot to a live CD.
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11:37<jillsmitt_>okay, thanks
11:37<jillsmitt_>tomorrow i will try ^)
11:38<jillsmitt_>bye everybody
11:38*jillsmitt_ omg... every body :)
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12:03<philipp>any hot female here who wanna give me there cell phone numbrer? :P
12:03<TobiX>Still get "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl-modules'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" in unstable...
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12:05<jose>hello! anyone running debian stable with the stable kernel on i386?
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12:07<TobiX>jose: Probably, why?
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12:07<jose>Just updated aptitude and a new kernel-image is
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12:08<jose>but there's no announce on
12:09<jose>and the package website shows the previous release (
12:09<apoleon>it's not a security fix, just an update
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12:09<jose>you've just upgraded?
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12:09<TobiX>It's a security-un-fix :(
12:09<jose>then I'll upgrade
12:09<jose>I was kind of paranoid
12:10<TobiX>"This reopens CVE-2011-2699."
12:10<jose>ok, I'll upgrade then. Thanks for your help :)
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12:12<jose>btw, anyone has a broadcom ethernet card? a GBit one
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12:13<jose>just saw this warning while installing the updated kernel
12:13<jose>Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3
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12:13<jose>where those modules moved to linux-firmware-free ?
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12:28<XeonBloomfield>Can anyone tell me what means crossing out and another icon at "arno-iptables-firewall" in second list of firewalls on that page?
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12:31<cmr>XeonBloomfield: it's a link to a bug, not a package.
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12:31<cmr>XeonBloomfield: since the bug is marked done, it's crossed out.
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12:33<XeonBloomfield>cmr: 1. it is bug for really old version of that package, 2. why it is not link to package in sid like all other?
12:33<cmr>XeonBloomfield: I'm assuming when that wiki page was written the package didn't exist yet.
12:33<cmr>And it just hasn't been edited since.
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12:36<XeonBloomfield>Does anyone know where is stored "debconf.cfg" file for exim4?
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12:39<AoSiX>Hi, how can i change ldap admin password on Debien Squeeze ?
12:40<Losba>I've been getting the error "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" for both of my debian systems, one of which was working fine before (except I just recently had to reformat my /home partition on it) and one of which never used alsa before
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12:45<apoleon>Losba: what does cat /proc/asound/cards tell you? you should check whether your soundcard module is loaded, what happens if you use alsamixer
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12:48<philipp>any hot female here who wanna give me there cell phone numbrer? :P
12:48<jillsmitt_>how can i save videoclip from youtube by epiphany or cli tool?
12:49<philipp>youtube-dl ?
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12:49<jillsmitt_>cant find in synaptic
12:49<jillsmitt_>not stable?
12:49<jillsmitt_>i mean is it only way?
12:49<Chipzz>dunnow if there's a package
12:49<apoleon>youtube-dl is not in stable but you can use clive
12:50<jillsmitt_>clive does not work
12:50<apoleon>or download the latest version from sid (work for me)
12:51<philipp>how do i download the latest version of sid?
12:51<jillsmitt_>clive works
12:51<jillsmitt_>apoleon, thanks
12:51<apoleon>you're welcome
12:52<philipp>hey guys have you a idea how to get my extra keys for my razer black widow keyboard working?
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12:52<retro|blah>philipp: Wrong channel
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12:53<jillsmitt_>and the second question :) what utility can change video format from to mp4 and good if it has manpages
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12:53<philipp>retro thats nice... you tell me the right one too? :P
12:53<cmr>jillsmitt_: mencoder, ffmpeg, vlc, I'm sure some more
12:54<jillsmitt_>which of they has gtk user interface?
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12:57<philipp>someone wanna give me his jabber adress? i have 0 friends =(
12:58<apoleon>jillsmitt_: you can also use winff a gui for ffmpeg, quite easy to use
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13:00<philipp>guys can u help me? i need help!
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13:01<jillsmitt_>apoleon, i found ffmeg -i *.flv *.mpeg4 is nice and simple way
13:01<retrospectacus>morning Debianers!
13:01<Chipzz>jillsmitt_: I hope you understand how wildcards work?
13:02<jillsmitt_>Chipzz, wildcards?
13:02<apoleon>jillsmitt_: you're right, the beauty lies in simplicity ;)
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13:03<retrospectacus>here's mine for converting WMA audios to MP3: find music -iname '*.wma' | while read i; do ffmpeg -i $i -ab 192k ${i%%.wma}.mp3 < /dev/null && rm $i ; done
13:04<retrospectacus>hmm some quotes are missing
13:04<retrospectacus>find music -iname '*.wma' | while read i; do ffmpeg -i "$i" -ab 192k "${i%%.wma}".mp3 < /dev/null && rm "$i" ; done
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13:04<retrospectacus>read the man page to adjust for your desired formats :)
13:05<jillsmitt_>looks complex for newbee
13:05<retrospectacus>should inspire learning
13:05<jillsmitt_>can i save and remake your example for my own tasks?
13:06<jillsmitt_>thank you
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13:07<retrospectacus>note that ffmpeg eats stdin which will break the loop (stops after 1st file) if you don't put < /dev/null there
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13:08<jillsmitt_>looks powerful string
13:08<cybersphinx>retrospectacus: Install gnu parallel, and then "find music -iname \*.wma | parallel ffmpeg -i {} -ab 192k {.}.mp3"
13:08<jillsmitt_>and is there any software to remake broken symbols in my audio tags, i download some music from my friend's storage and it looks like rhythmbox cant use other-language non-UTF symbols
13:09<jillsmitt_>his Windows\Doors\Balcony system write it in different encoding and my player cant show correctly
13:09<cmr>jillsmitt_: id3 is what I use
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13:13<retrospectacus>cybersphinx: can't find that. Could just put & after my command in the loop though. That would bring your system to its knees though, most likely
13:13<retrospectacus>cybersphinx: does gnu parallel limit threads to the number of CPUs?
13:13<cybersphinx>Last time I looked it wasn't in Debian. Yes, that's the default.
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13:19<retrospectacus>cybersphinx: very interesting, thanks
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13:22<cybersphinx>Yeah. Unfortunately moreutils already has a /usr/bin/parallel, so the itp is still open after over two years...
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13:24<furgar>hello everybody
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13:34<Agiofws>is anyone here using icedove ?
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13:36<ompaul>Agiofws: the same people tend to be in both channels in terms of those who will answer your query ;-)
13:36<vichy>I am using icedove
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13:36<Agiofws>wait a second
13:36<ompaul>Agiofws: I made a suggestion in the other debian channel if I got your question right
13:39<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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13:48<tirbo>Hello all
13:49<userchosen>What's up today?
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13:49<tirbo>userchosen: Today it's about email and wanna-be spamfighers
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13:50<tirbo>For me, it's most comfortable to use own mail server, but most services reject mails from DynDNS hosts.
13:50<tirbo>I tried open mail relays, that worked for some time, now for quite long not any more.
13:51<userchosen>Well, I that's understood.
13:51<tirbo>OK, one might say "use free mail" - but freemailers make more and more problems, like one must "activate" account using mobile phone or so - being handled like a criminal for no reason,
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13:52<userchosen>sounds like you send quite a bunch of emails
13:52<tirbo_>or some "secure" freemailers block access to user's mailbox and all of its context offering re-activatiting access for quite some money
13:53<userchosen>or you try to send a bunch
13:53<tirbo_>userchosen: not really. No bunch. Some mails to bumpmail, that's probably all
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13:55<userchosen>maybe dynamic dns has been utilized in the past for those types of things
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13:55<tirbo_>In fact, I can mail people using web mail interface, but that's really inconvenient, or using GUI mail clients - already better, but I work mainly in command line, and there best mua Heirloom Mailx/nail gets problems with most of "free and secure" aceholes
13:55<userchosen>I am thinking spam has been a chief complaint of end users
13:56<tirbo_>userchosen: Maybe, but not my address. I care that nobody can use my server for sending spam, not only because of spam to others but first of all because of general security, which is very important to me.
13:57<tirbo_>userchosen: It seems 1) you are not English native speaker and you did not have really enough practice in English, and 2) you are not really up-to-date in the topic.
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13:57<tirbo_>userchosen: You tell about spam and spam, but what do you know about it? Do you know that most spammers today use freemailers, who claim to fight spam?
13:58<userchosen>I have begun to use this operating system relatively recently
13:58<tirbo_>userchosen: And that admins of freemailers sell their users' info to everybody who's ready to pay for it, including spammers, but not only?
13:58<tirbo_>userchoesn: This info's been available on the Net years ago, you seem to be late in the topic.
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13:59<tirbo_>userchosen: OK now it's all clear.
13:59<userchosen>Well, I think that my use of this language, is good, but a response to what you stated seemed anticipated.
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14:00<Agiofws>does anyone know why my collected addresses in icedove has disappeared or why icedove refuses to collect addresses when i receive or send email ?
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14:01<userchosen>tirbo_, do you mean that spammers use free hosted email?
14:01<tirbo__>fscking ISP b!tches
14:02<tirbo__>userchosen: if you express it that way. They use services like, gmail, or less popular ones, like - service I learned from some spammers who sent mail to me.
14:03<tirbo__>Agiofws: What do you mean actually? Tell more in more details. Do you mean address book, or what?
14:03<Agiofws>yes in address book
14:03<Agiofws>NO collected adds
14:04<tirbo__>Agiofws: Donno, I normally use Evolution or nail - I prefer nail for it's on command line, where I work mostly
14:05<userchosen>Well, I am planning to get some stuff accomplished later.
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14:05<tirbo__>Agiofws: did you try to just add new entries to address book?
14:05<Agiofws>Personal is abook.mab and Collected is history.mab
14:05<Agiofws>tirbo_, yes
14:06<Agiofws>and since collected adds are gone
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14:13<tirbo_>Agiofws: can you go to $HOME/.icedove?
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14:15<tirbo_>Gonna go out. Bye all.
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14:16<Agiofws>tirbo__, offcourse
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14:17<Agiofws>what ?
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14:29<furgar>i just installed debian squeeze for the first time and i am getting a no screens found when i try startx
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14:29<furgar>can someone please point me in the right direction?
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14:32<lastwill>Did you install a Desktop Environment?
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14:33<furgar>i think the netinstall used gnome
14:33<praetor>How do I get my Vostro microphone port working in Linux
14:33<praetor>I tried using it and it didn't work
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14:33<furgar>i just excepted the defaults
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14:34<praetor>I tried using every device in Gnome volume control, but couldn't get it to work
14:34<praetor>fuckin lickholes
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14:36<lastwill>praetor: what is your sound card?
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14:36<lastwill>furgar: what does gdm?
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14:39<furgar>lastwill: i cannot even run the gdm
14:39<slava>fuck your self motherfucker
14:39<chaos>i realize it's only half debian question but still.... how do i access my stuff shared by debian server from a win7 ultimate box?
14:39<slava>from anal american
14:39<chaos>it's asking for login/pass i did give it the right one but it doesn't work
14:39<slava>stupid fuck
14:39<furgar>lastwill: is there a command that will help configure x from the command line?'
14:40<slava>rm -rf /
14:40<slava>help for you
14:40<chaos>slava why don't you go find some other channel to annoy?
14:41<slava>don know
14:41<slava>i am banned from all
14:41<chaos>wonder why
14:41<thorgrin>no wonder...
14:41<XeonBloomfield>Die hater!
14:41<thorgrin>lucky bastars with ignore command;-)
14:42<slava>fuck your self
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14:42<slava>i am from
14:42<furgar>i have never got the chance to ignore someone before
14:42<furgar>im new to all this
14:42<cmr>furgar: it's very convenient.
14:43<lastwill>furgar: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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14:43<furgar>lastwill: awsome thank you
14:43<slava>try sudo rm -rf /
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14:43<slava>damn it
14:44<fuckbutt>anyone know how to make SD card reader work in fresh debian install? I have tried adding 'tifm_sd' to the /etc/modules file. any suggestions?
14:44<slava>open the the terminal
14:44<fuckbutt>i know the reader works bc it worked when i used windows 7
14:44<thorgrin>this channel sorely misses the option to vote about kickban for annoying people;-)
14:45<slava>fuck your self windows user
14:46<slava>and fuck fuck your mom permanently
14:46<lastwill>fuckbutt: what gives you lsusb?
14:46<furgar>addscreen/screeninit failed for server 0
14:46<fuckbutt>wow, slava: you must be very sad that no one loves you on thanksgiving.
14:46<slava>ha ha linux save the worlds
14:47<slava>i fucked some american young guys
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14:47<slava>and want more
14:47<slava>open whore world
14:48<fuckbutt>lastwill: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
14:48<fuckbutt>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
14:48<fuckbutt>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
14:48<fuckbutt>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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14:48<slava>american bastards
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14:48<slava>some fucking try to hacking me
14:48<slava>o no
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14:48<SynrG>!ops slava, fuckbutt profanity, off-topic
14:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: slava, fuckbutt profanity, off-topic
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14:49<slava>god damn it
14:49<lastwill>fuckbutt: try to avoid spamming the channel using pastebin for example ;-)
14:49<fuckbutt>oops got kicked for pasting, but that was what lsusb gave me...
14:49<fuckbutt>new to irc.
14:50<thorgrin>read the kick message ;-)
14:50<lastwill>is your reader detected?
14:50<SynrG>ah, well, the irc nick makes you a walking target. may not make you kickworthy
14:50<thorgrin>and use the next time
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14:51<lastwill>do you known what kind of chip it owns?
14:51<furgar>lastwill: are you talking to me?
14:51<slava>fucking hackers
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14:52<I2ancoI2> hier ein deutscher?
14:52<furgar>lastwill: i think its an old nvidia caard
14:52<retro|blah>!de I2ancoI2
14:52<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:52<furgar>lastwill: like nvidia vanta or something like that
14:52<chaos>Ganneff: awwww
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14:53<lastwill>furgar: sorry i was thinking about the card reader lol
14:53<furgar>lastwill: no problem
14:53<lastwill>but it's still interesting to know the thing
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14:54<lastwill>furgar: have you reconfigured x?
14:54<lastwill>the vesa module should work for all video card
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14:55<furgar>lastwill: when i typed the command you gave me nothing happened
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14:56<furgar>lastwill: i have a config file i am testing and when i replace nv with vesa it still does not work
14:56<fuckbutt>sorry, still trying to paste the output of lsusb...
14:56<AquaL1te>can some of you look at this thread?
14:56<furgar>lastwill: but i am probably missing something
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14:58<fuckbutt>so i have made a thing at pastebin; then do i just paste here the link or what?
14:58<retrospectacus>makes sense
14:59<lastwill>you can't paste more than 4 lines before being kicked
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15:00<lastwill>fuckbutt: if you unplug your reader does it change anything to lsusb?
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15:01<fuckbutt>yes; ahah, it was unpluggged for that first lsusb; now when a card is insterted, it has an extra line
15:02<lastwill>the goal is to identify your device then the module
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15:05<lastwill>fuckbutt: you can't see the reader in nautilus?
15:05<Lantizia>The quickest/easiest repository setup ever :P...
15:05<Lantizia>find . -iname *.deb -exec bash -c 'dpkg -f $1;echo -e "Filename: $1\nSize: $(stat -c %s $1)\nMD5sum: $(md5sum $1|cut -f1 -d\ )"' _ {} \; > Packages
15:05<Lantizia>echo "deb file://$(pwd) ./" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tmp
15:05<Lantizia>apt-get update
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15:05<Lantizia>worth it :P
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15:07<fuckbutt>not sure if i am using nautilus; i am running gnome on squeeze?
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15:08<sandro573>Ciao a tutti/e !!!
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15:09<sandro573>Ciao Bart
15:09<sandro573>hello Bart
15:09<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:10<onyx> hi guys, apache2 is setup on my web dev laptop, but doesn't start when pc rebooted. I cannot find anything mentioning apache in the logs at all...where do is tart to look for the cause of this?
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15:12<lastwill>fuckbutt: maybe you can try to mount the device file sd(a/b/c/d)1 and see if it matches with your card
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15:13<fuckbutt>man, i'm not sure how to do that.
15:14<fuckbutt>device file sd?
15:14<fuckbutt>like fstab?
15:14<lastwill>fuckbutt: look at your mtab
15:14<lastwill>see what devices are mounted
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15:14<lastwill>your reader shouldn't appear
15:14<lastwill>the look at /dev/sdx1
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15:15<lastwill>i mean look for a device file unused by the system
15:15<lastwill>then try to mount it
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15:16<lastwill>normally you can only mount partition numbered
15:16<lastwill>sda1 for example
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15:17<lastwill>"man mount" if you never used this command
15:17<chaos>i would assume if you tail -f messages while you attach the device it'll give you hint
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15:17<fuckbutt>ok, i will show the mtab...
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15:19<lastwill>ls /dev | grep -e "sd"
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15:20<lastwill>try the partition unmounted
15:20<lastwill>mount /dev/sdd1 for example
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15:21<onyx>lastwill: how about dmesg ? it will normally show the usb devices at the end
15:21<lastwill>onyx: indeed
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15:22<fuckbutt>only sda, sda1 - 7 are listed. these are hdd partitions, correct?
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15:25<lastwill>i'm afraid the system missed the module for the reader
15:26<fuckbutt>dmesg output shows what looks like it maybe? i will paste bin in a second..
15:27<lastwill>fuckbutt: in fact new detected devices should appear in dmesg
15:28<fuckbutt>this is only one little snipit; dmesg has bunches of output.
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15:31<Sicelo>kernel probably..
15:32<Sicelo>let's see your lsmod
15:33<lastwill>according to this there's no module for your reader in the squeeze kernel
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15:33<Sicelo>strange.. i'm on squeeze too
15:33<lastwill>you have to compile your own module or upgrade your kernel
15:33<Sicelo>modinfo cb710
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15:34<Sicelo>description: ENE CB710 memory card reader driver
15:34<Sicelo>filename: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/misc/cb710/cb710.ko
15:34<lastwill>I mean for the UB6250
15:34<lastwill>that's the fuckbutt reader shown in the dmesg copy
15:34<fuckbutt>ENE Technology, Inc. SD card reader (UB6250)
15:35<fuckbutt>(from lsusb)
15:36<sney->I'm surprised it isn't just usbstor
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15:39<Black_Prince>Aye we could try to keep this channel family friendly in every way. So fuckbutt I ask you nicely to change your nick, it is a bit inapropriate (no offense)
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15:40*Sicelo agrees with Black_Prince
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15:41<lastwill>it seems you need at least a kernel >= 2.6.39
15:41<fuckbutt>ok; how to chnge it?
15:41<Black_Prince>/nick newnickhere
15:41<Sicelo> /nick newnick
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15:41*Black_Prince chuckles
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15:43<lastwill>lol: you may upgrade your kernel from squeeze to sid
15:43<scraze>I believe there is a 2.6.39 in bpo
15:43<lol>commnd to identify my kernel #?
15:43<lastwill>uname -r
15:44<lastwill>squeeze kernel is 2.6.32
15:44<lol>2.6.32-5-686, yep
15:45<Black_Prince>judd, kernels
15:45<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
15:45<sney->!bdo kernel
15:45<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
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15:45<lastwill>thks :-)
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15:47<lol>learning all kinds of new stuff today!
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15:48<lol>is it advised to go to sid? i heard it is for more experienced users than I.
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15:50<lastwill>you can follow a package from a particular distribution with priorities
15:50<lastwill>sometimes it's useful
15:50<lastwill>since you change your kernel to sid
15:50<sney->lol: it's not a good idea to jump into sid right now. too many transitions going on.
15:51<sney->lol: get the 2.6.39 kernel from backports as instructed above if you need a kernel upgrade.
15:51<lastwill>i'm not sure if it worth keeping squeeze packages around the 3.1 kernel
15:51<lastwill>but squeeze packages are "stable"
15:52<sney->lastwill: the 3.1 kernel is probably directly installable along with the updated linux-base, but some programs may complain about a non 2.6.x version string
15:53<lastwill>2.6.39 backport may be a solution but the module is still in an early stage in this kernel
15:54<thorgrin> I need help, some man pages do not show whole using man command. man printf is ok, man fopen is shortened, only
15:54<thorgrin> part is displayed and it ends abruptly in middle of the word. I've managed to trace the problem to the pipe that
15:54<thorgrin> man is using, specifically | /usr/bin/zsoelim | /usr/lib/m preconv -e UTF-8, both commands shorten the output. It
15:54<thorgrin> is deterministic, always the same part is missing. Any ideas?
15:54<thorgrin>damn, why is it in so many messages... sorry
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15:55<lol>thank you lastwill, I will try these things...
15:55<lastwill>good luck ;-)
15:55<lol>happy turkey day if you eat it!
15:56<sney->thorgrin: anything in the bts for man?
15:56<sney->thorgrin: also, what debian version?
15:56<lastwill>i eat pigs exclusively :-P
15:56<thorgrin>squeeze, what is bts?
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15:57<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.
15:58<thorgrin>thanks. I did not find anything related
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16:00<scraze>thorgrin: just guessing here; shell & terminal may also be relevant to the problem
16:02<thorgrin>this is what it looks like
16:02<thorgrin>the strace may help
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16:05<thorgrin>also ulimit on pipe size says: pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8
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16:08<thorgrin>scraze: I use bash and I'm connected from windows machine through putty. and it runs in tmux, but on other machines this is fine. Also it does it even without tmux
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16:15<thorgrin>next step: zcat < /usr/share/man/man3/fopen.3.gz > file
16:15<thorgrin>the file is too short
16:16<thorgrin>but when I print it on standard output, it is ok
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16:19<thorgrin>no, ignore the last three messages, my mistake
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16:22<thorgrin>It's that "cat file | zsoelim" gives shorter (incorrect) output that "zsoelim file"
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16:23<scraze>thorgrin: does cat file | cat also give shorter output than just cat file ? (problem seems way over my head btw. . just another shot in the dark)
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16:27<thorgrin>scraze: cat file | cat is ok
16:28<scraze>and zsoelim <( cat file ) ?
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16:28<thorgrin>thats ok too
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16:30<scraze>so it's just when zsoelim is invoked in a pipe .. strange :/ you could try debsums man-db to see if any files of that package are corrupted but otherwise I wouldn't know (is there a lurking expert in the channel ;]?)
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16:32<thorgrin>the strange thing is that cat file | /usr/lib/man-db/manconv -f UTF-8:ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8//IGNORE
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16:32<thorgrin>does just the same
16:32<thorgrin>so it is not just szoelim
16:33*thorgrin does not know what to do, where to ask....
16:34<scraze>they're both from the man-db package so it wouldn't surprise me if they incorporated some of the same mistakes, be it through a corrupted library perhaps (again just a guess) or a bug in the code
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16:34<scraze>this should be the right channel afaik ..
16:34<scraze>debsums man-db shows all files as ok ?
16:34<thorgrin>mmnt, must install debsums
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16:36<thorgrin>yep, everything ok
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16:36<scraze>then I'm out of ideas :(
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16:37<thorgrin>it's wierd that i'm alone in that
16:37<thorgrin>thanks anyway
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16:39<scraze>thorgrin: hang on for a while, knowledgeable people are logging in ;]
16:39<thorgrin>scraze: I'm back on the track
16:40<thorgrin>ldd shows local library zlib
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16:40<thorgrin>at least it's in /usr/local/lib
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16:40<thorgrin>I gues from times when I compiled it for some reason I cannot now remember
16:41<scraze>oh hey, that's a good pointer
16:41<thorgrin>how can I check whether I have specific package installed?
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16:42<scraze>dpkg -l packagename
16:42<dpkg>No packages found matching packagename
16:42<retrospectacus>thorgrin: apt-cache policy <package> or what scraze said
16:42<thorgrin>ii means installed, right?
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16:43<pedro>Good afternoon guys!
16:43<pedro> I installed here in my Quake 4 on my PC native version, but when I run it displays the following message:
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16:45<pedro>does anyone could help me? My is Nvidia 220 GT 1Gb.
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16:46<thorgrin>ok, no I believe that my dynamic linker prefers /usr/local/lib, that is wrong/right?
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16:51<scraze>thorgrin: the line /usr/local/lib/ in /etc/ probably has that effect, but also it makes sense to use local libraries if available
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16:52<thorgrin>I removed the libz from /usr/local/lib
16:52<retrospectacus>pedro: looks great
16:52<thorgrin>no ldd zsoelim shows that it is linked against => /lib/
16:52<thorgrin>but error persists
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16:54<retrospectacus>pedro: don't /msg me
16:54<pedro>I using Pidnin...
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16:55<retrospectacus>pedro: your paste looks fine. What is the problem?
16:55<pedro>Yes Pidgin...
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16:55<pedro>Quake 4 no execute...
16:55<pedro>The error.
16:56<retrospectacus>there is no evidence in your paste of you executing quake, nor any error.
16:56<pedro>X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or ength error)
16:56<pedro>No error?
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16:57<pedro>I paste again....
16:57<pedro>Is error now!
16:57<pedro>I paste other...
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16:59<scraze>thorgrin: hm, here in squeeze & wheezy I get /usr/lib/ which is provided by package zlib1g .. can't find a package providing /lib/
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17:00<pedro><retrospectacus> I paste correct error?
17:00<retrospectacus>pedro: it really says "ength error" ??
17:00<retrospectacus>not length?
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17:02<howieb2001>IDENTIFY alumnia1
17:02<pedro><retrospectacus> X Error of failed request:  BadLength (poly request too large or ength error)
17:02<retrospectacus>!pal howieb2001
17:02*dpkg points at howieb2001 and laughs
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17:03<pedro>have wine error too, but diferent.
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17:03<pedro>I install nvidia-glx.
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17:04<retrospectacus>pedro: you may try installing libgl1-nvidia-glx
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17:05<pedro>It's installed.
17:05<pedro>I use 64 bits.
17:05<pedro>U think I install 32?
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17:06<exparrot>My squeeze boxes have all started telling me there's an update for the linux-image-2.6.32-amd64 package however the changelog for the package doesn't have any changes since October
17:06<exparrot>is it likely that a change from october is only getting pushed now?
17:06<exparrot>or should I be looking elsewhere to find the right changelog?
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17:08<pedro>retrospectacus: What U think?
17:08<retrospectacus>pedro: make sure your libxrender1 package is up to date.
17:09<pedro>I need aptitude upgrade?
17:09<retrospectacus>no, just apt-get install libxrender1
17:09<retrospectacus>will update it, if possible
17:10<pedro>ItIs installaded...
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17:10<retrospectacus>pedro: then I don't know, sorry.
17:10<retrospectacus>pedro: I got those ideas by googling your "ength" error.... google agrees, it should say Length
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17:12<damiano>can anyone tell me why some program startup two times from the menu?
17:12<damiano>like.. Root Terminal... now also Firestarter...
17:13<damiano>actually they run one time, but another instance is also attempting to start.
17:13<damiano>but then just dissappears.
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17:15<lautriv>damiano, in the case of root-terminal ( and others running with root-priv ) one is the app, the other is just the authorisation. ( usual to disappear after grant)
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17:15<damiano>lautrivm hm...
17:15<thorgrin>scraze: where the heck did I get that library? ;-)
17:15<damiano>lautriv, i seee....
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17:15<damiano>lautriv, but it doesn't ask me for authorization...
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17:16<lautriv>damiano, it asks just once per session, the first root-terminal after login WILL ask.
17:16<thorgrin>scraze: moreover /usr/lib/ symbolic link to `/lib64/'
17:17<damiano>lautriv, and also.. one more prob, which is a bit similar... but nevertheless different. I've associated audio formats with Audacious. It opens it now. BUT.... sometimes Totem is trying to take over. I mean, same think, clicking on mp3 for example starts AUdacious and Totem also appears but then dissappears.
17:17<damiano>i mean on the taskbar
17:18<lautriv>damiano, never had this behaviour, maybe you need to cleanup gconf. also have a look on preferred apps.
17:18<damiano>i've looked it up... that place doesn't matter...
17:19<damiano>it's GNOME MPlayer there now, but still Totem pop out..
17:19<damiano>but let me check gconf
17:19<damiano>where is it to find?
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17:27<exparrot>do kernel packages normally get delayed for some time before being pushed in stable?
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17:30<scraze>thorgrin: that really is curious :] I've used to look for /lib/ & /lib64/ in every release and it really isn't there.. you could still try dpkg -S /lib/ /lib64/ to see if any installed package is related to those files, but otherwise perhaps just aptitude reinstall zlib1g , it contains both /usr/lib/ and /usr/lib/ and should overwrite the symlink
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17:33<lautriv>exparrot, anything in stable is delayed
17:34<exparrot>lautriv: okay, thanks. so the update I'm seeing today for the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package with a changelog entry of last month is in fact the update from last month?
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17:37<thorgrin>check out the dates....
17:38<lautriv>exparrot, probably.
17:40<thorgrin>scraze: and reinstall zlib1g-dev made: link /usr/lib/ ->
17:40<scraze>thorgrin: Dec 28 2009 is right for and, but I was mistaken about /usr/lib/; it's in the package zlib1g-dev
17:40<scraze>right :)
17:40<thorgrin>so, now i will remove all zlib from /lib
17:40<thorgrin>because that is clearly nonsence
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17:41<ompaul>exparrot: I told ya on freenode some stuff you might be interested in
17:42<thorgrin>scraze: we have a winner! thank you so much for your help and patience ;-)
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17:43<thorgrin>this problem bugged me for as long as i can remember... Some stupid mistake at the beginning.
17:43<scraze>thorgrin: yay! :} glad to have been of help
17:43<exparrot>thanks ompaul
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17:48<retrospectacus>where is EDITOR set?
17:49<cthuluh>it shouldn't be set by default
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17:50<retrospectacus>ok. I will just set it then. /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc ?
17:50<cthuluh>retrospectacus: I would use neither
17:51<cthuluh>retrospectacus: to make the change system-wide, I'd use update-alternatives
17:51<cthuluh>to make changes to my account, I'd use my .profile
17:51<retrospectacus>I would like it to be system wide
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17:52<cthuluh>see update-alternatives --query editor
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17:52<retrospectacus>ah so EDITOR is /usr/bin/editor by default?
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17:53<cthuluh>readlink -f /usr/bin/editor
17:53<retrospectacus>I know how alternatives works :)
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17:54<cthuluh>retrospectacus: some programs don't use alternatives as fallback, though
17:54<cthuluh>but ok, the debian packagers generally make sure they do
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17:55<retrospectacus>thanks cthuluh
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18:05<damiano>how do i make Totem forget completely about any multimedia format?
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18:10<streuner>damiano: apt-get --purge remove totem ; apt-get install totem?
18:10<damiano>i think not.
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18:10<damiano>the problem is. I can't delete it, it will take down lotsa gnome things along..
18:11<retrospectacus>damiano: System - Preferences - Preferred applications
18:11<damiano>ok... and then?
18:11<retrospectacus>have you checked there?
18:11<streuner>damiano: totem is a frontend to xine
18:11<damiano>sure, that place doesn't matter...
18:11<damiano>ah... xine..
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18:11<streuner>well, totem is able to use gstreamer as well
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18:11<damiano>in Preferred applications i can set anything - doesn't matter
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18:12<streuner>damiano: but, why do you want that it forget it?
18:12<damiano>what keeps bothering me is that when i click on mp3 it starts Audacious and attempts to call Totem, but it never starts. I have that already
18:12<retrospectacus>then I am not sure what you are trying to do
18:12<retrospectacus>that might be the local media preview thing of nautilus
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18:13<damiano>well, it takes a few seconds to dissappear and cursor iis in "waiting mode", that's why it's bothesome
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18:15<damiano>i've disabled preview of audio files by the way
18:15<damiano> i mean when i move over any with mouse it doesn't play. So it's ok
18:15<pedro>I need install Nvidias Driver proprietary., I download and execut, but apeers a message the kernel is compilade whit gcc 4.4 and the module has a 4.3.
18:15<damiano>compilade, eh..
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18:16<pedro>How I install the driver proprietary?
18:16<streuner>pedro: /msg dpkg nvidia
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18:16<pedro>But the driver your extention is .run.
18:17<daemonkeeper>Call it .exe
18:17<streuner>well, we dont support drivers of nvidia here, join #nvidia freenode
18:17<daemonkeeper>Or realize the extension does not matter at all and follow the instruction streuner pointed you to
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18:18<damiano>also.. i think it depends on a player you associate your media files with. When i used VLC it never happened like this.
18:18<pedro>The problen is my kernel is compilade gcc 4.4
18:18<pedro>and this requere a 4.3
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18:18<damiano>but when i assigned it to Audacious Totem started to kick in
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18:18<daemonkeeper>You do not want to compile the driver yourself. No, really.
18:19<damiano>yep, that's for sure
18:19<streuner>pedro: you could install many versions of gcc, besides gcc is just a symlink...
18:19<pedro>But, how I install this?
18:19<damiano>in fact... you really don't want to compile anything
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18:19<pedro>I install a 4.3 bun now korks...te massege apeers in Nvidias instalation is a adivertation.
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18:20<streuner>pedro: and you think thats Debian anymore? :-P
18:21<pedro>Sorry, Not works.
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18:25<streuner>pedro: you should really read
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18:26<damiano>Poor Pedro..
18:26<damiano>linux is pain in the ass, isn't it?
18:26<streuner>pedro: whatever that "4.3 bun" is, it sounds really nasty to me
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18:26<streuner>damiano: sometimes :-)
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18:27<streuner>damiano: but, tell me another OS which isnt...
18:27<damiano>well.. thank goodness problems in it tend to be not critical, but just annoying.. most of which you can solve, but might be so many of them so you don't even wanna bother..
18:27<damiano>well.. hate to write this name... but how about Windows? :)
18:27<damiano>i mean, yeah, it's shit! But hey, common.... at least it has no totally pathetic problems that are not even supposed to happen like in linux.
18:28<damiano>and here you may expect any kinda shit to happen
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18:28<pedro>streuner sorry...not but....
18:28<damiano>of course i can live with it... i'm using it right now and i'm still alive, hehe
18:28<pedro>I a I tk wrong in translator.
18:28<damiano>but.. many things here are just a bit awkward
18:29<damiano>let's say.. STILL awkward
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18:29<streuner>damiano: a bad example, you can install every single package in Debian, but think about if you do that in windows...
18:29<damiano>Microsoft can mess up with more serious things, like mass multimedia access and other stuff.... but not file associations or panel glitches or other stuff like that :)
18:29<streuner>damiano: windows is really a pain in the ass
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18:30<damiano>well tell me.. how come i never had any probs with it? I was just using it, you know... and right now i'm doing the same, but i get such weird issues i would never have in windows :)
18:30<streuner>damiano: and i dont say that to you, because iam in #debian, iam speaking of experiences...
18:30<damiano>and yet im not doing anything special :)
18:30<damiano>i understand
18:31<damiano>of course, i know that i can solve most of these things... but hey.. some of those should've been pre-solved actually ;)
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18:31<damiano>oh well.. i can't demand for anything, for a free OS it's even better than expected
18:31<retrospectacus>I find Windows is often a pain in the ass, but my main problem when I use it is just the complete uselessness!! Things that are so simple on Linux are such a pain on Windows, or costs money, or requires download some crap, or is simply not possible
18:31<damiano>like what?
18:32<pedro>Aparently it's OK...
18:32<retrospectacus>burning an ISO
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18:32<pedro>I afraid the problem a version of Gcc.
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18:32<retrospectacus>checkind disk usage on a remote machine
18:32<thorgrin>on the other hand, some things, like multimedia (which is what most people want) are often so much easier to manage...
18:33<damiano>just look at Pedro.. he can't install some puny driver! Of well.. he has that GCC thing... whatever.. but still, i wouldn't be much surprised if he had just a standard version and had the same issues
18:33<damiano>oh well*
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18:33<damiano>the problem is.... most of issues here cannot be solved by simple user. You have to be a bit more advanced to have intuition about things at least.
18:33<retrospectacus>"Homegroups" what a nightmare
18:34*retrospectacus shuts up now
18:34<streuner>damiano: iam not a simple user, but trust me, i have serious issues in windows...
18:34<damiano>well, ok, i believe you
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18:34<damiano>but i never had those. Even if i did i could always resolve it in a flash
18:34<damiano>either myself or using internet.
18:35<damiano>in case of linux... even internet wouldn't help
18:35<nevyn>usually it does.
18:35<retrospectacus>damiano: if you stick with Linux you will change your tune eventually... we all said that
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18:35<pedro>damiano, only a question, case I install this drives whit a Gcc wrong, can give me a troble?
18:35<damiano>you can write your question here, on multiple forums, but still, you will have no answer :)
18:35<retrospectacus>pedro: if you're not interested in doing it the right way, we're not going to help you do it the wrong way
18:36<damiano>perdo, erm.. listen friend, don't ask me. I'm full with my own troubles here and i dunno how to resolve them :) Sorry mac... can't help
18:36<nevyn>pedro: if you're using gcc by hand on debian you're probably doing it wrong.
18:36<pedro>I think, not undestand.english allright.
18:36<nevyn>pedro: what driver are you trying to install?
18:36<pedro>nevyn...Good Night.
18:36<scraze>pedro: it is best to use only debian packages if you can, in this case nvidia-kernel-dkms, nvidia-glx, etc. With the installer from nvidia (the NVIDIA[..].run file ) things are not configured for Debian specifically, so then you get those things like GCC differences. If you compile it with the right GCC version it probably will work but still it would be better to go all Debian
18:37<damiano>"Good night" ))
18:37<damiano>oh well.. nevermind.
18:37<scraze>pedro: there is also #debian-pt and #debian-br if you have not tried yet :]
18:37<retrospectacus>pedro: you mean "good evening". "good night" is a parting salut
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18:38<damiano>retrospectacus, that took me a while to realize
18:38<damiano>retrospectacus, i mean.. i actually thought he said "bye" to the possibly slow guy ;)
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18:38<retrospectacus>nevyn is an excellent supporter here, certainly not slow :)
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18:39*nevyn hasn't read the full backlog admittedly
18:39<nevyn>but it's 10:30am here and I've only just looked at irc ;)
18:39<damiano>If anything i do not complain though.Debian was my own choice, so i'm living with it. But i'm just comparing one with another.. and saying that here problems are a way more weird than in Windows. In the latter you could at least know what to expect from it. Here i don't know what to expect. Even if Santa appears on my desktop dancing naked i wouldn't be much surprised.
18:39<retrospectacus>"good morning" :)
18:39<pedro> Brazil, we shook hands, both on arrival and in some bid farewell thus: Good morning and good night
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18:40<retrospectacus>"goodnight" in English is for parting only
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18:40<nevyn>good evening is a greeting salutation
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18:41<damiano>anyway, at the moment i'm having not linux probs but more like Gnome issues. I've learned how to distinguish between linux, software and DE.
18:41<pedro>I say.....HELLO?!
18:41<nevyn>pedro: good morning ;)
18:41<damiano>he's a funny guy...
18:41<nevyn>which remains rediculous on IRC.
18:42<pedro>In brasil, is night!
18:42<nevyn>as not all participants are in a common tz
18:42<damiano>how come it's night?
18:42<damiano>HERE it's night
18:42<streuner>damiano: many of us using GNOME, but only some has knowledge about special issues in GNOME...
18:42<damiano>and i'm in Europe
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18:42<retrospectacus>yes they are all silly. Just say "hi" or "hello" or better yet, just ask your question
18:42<damiano>and when it's night in Europe it can't be the same in Brazil
18:42<damiano>streuner, actually i prefer KDE... but specifically 3.5 version..
18:42<streuner>damiano: iam just using GNOME, and in most cases, it just works
18:42<damiano>streuner, same here.
18:43<nevyn>damiano: yeah opposite end. their night is just beginning europe it's early morning..
18:43<damiano>nevyn, aha.
18:43<damiano>nevyn, well you're wrong here man.. actually it's 1:42 here
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18:43<damiano>ah.. then it's not night yet... it's evening there. But still, kinda close..
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18:44<nevyn>1:42 in the morning.
18:44<retrospectacus>nobody cares what time it is.... we're all here so let's just support debian
18:44<damiano>nevyn, well... i do admit it's AM, but we don't call it morning.
18:44<damiano>nevyn, our morning starts usually from 4 o'clock.
18:44<scraze>pff, that's just farmers.. I say morning starts 6 AM at best :p
18:45<streuner>damiano: where do you live BTW?
18:45<damiano>well for us it's 4:00. Usually.
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18:45<damiano>streuner, Moldova
18:45<streuner>hm, 1 hour different to .de
18:45<damiano>close enough.
18:45<cthuluh>irc police! put your hands up and /join #debian-offtopic, now!
18:45<nevyn>pedro: what nvidia drivers (current old or older?)
18:46<pedro>but back to the previous question, I want to install this package from Nvidia, because I'm trying to run Quake 4 here and is giving error.
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18:46<damiano>cthulhu, spare our slippers.. nobody's talking anyway... except for poor Pedro which is never gonna solve his prob.) At least not with GCC or something..
18:46<pedro>I using Nvidia debian package.
18:46<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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18:47<nevyn>pedro: do you know which driver set you need?
18:47<streuner>pedro: you should really read
18:47<pedro>I read this...
18:47<nevyn>nvidia have dropped support for older cards in newer driver packs.
18:47<scraze>pedro: the packages from debian (nvidia-kernel-dkms / nvidia-glx) contain the package from nvidia, just configured to fit Debian correctly (so that the package manager can do things like recompiling the nvidia module when you install a new kernel)
18:47<damiano>guys.. if i were you i'd just advice him to get rid of GCC or whatever he got there...
18:47<damiano>to make things easier.
18:47<pedro>My card is a nvidia 22g gt.
18:47<streuner>dpkg, listvals 22g
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18:47<dpkg>Factoid search of '22g' by value (4): tl-wn422g ;; tlwn422g ;; tl-wn322g ;; tlwn322g.
18:48<pedro>220 g no...sorry.
18:48<pedro>220 gt.
18:48<nevyn>!listkeys 220 gt
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18:48<dpkg>Factoid search of '220 gt' by key returned no results.
18:48<streuner>is that a nvidia device what dpkg suggested?
18:48<nevyn>!listkeys 220
18:48<dpkg>Factoid search of '220' by key (15 of 24): _default ipw2200 ;; ar9220 ;; g-220 ;; ipn2220 ;; ipw2200 ;; nwd2205 ;; rfc2200 ;; rfc2201 ;; rfc2202 ;; rfc2204 ;; rfc2207 ;; rfc2208 ;; rfc2220 ;; sb0220 ;; wu220.
18:48<streuner>thats better
18:48<terid>could someone help me please? im trying to get a login manager to run when i boot. i tried following the guide on wiki but i dont have /etc/rc.d ??
18:48<dpkg>The ZyXEL G-220 is an 802.11g USB device. For support of v1 (USB ID 0586:3401) and v2 (USB ID 0586:340F), ask me about <zd1211rw>. See also <G-220F>.
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18:49<damiano>terid, pff.... you're doomed man... you know what i'd do in that case?...
18:49<cthuluh>terid: sorry? so /etc/rc.d? 8)
18:49<terid>lol? im a noob
18:49<cthuluh>terid: have you thought about installing debuian?
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18:49<streuner>pedro: can you use "lspci -nn"?
18:49<damiano>terid, you probably got video issue.... just confess, did you try installing newer kernel?
18:49<terid>im on debian right now
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18:49<streuner>pedro: and tell us the pciid?
18:49<damiano>teird, tell us what did you do to make that thing happen?
18:49<terid>i dunno whats going really trying to use floxbox and rox desktop together
18:49<cthuluh>terid: perhaps did you mean /etc/init.d?
18:50<damiano>terid, never mix them up. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometimes it only brings probs.
18:50<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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18:50<damiano>terid, so it's always better that you stick with one only.
18:50<terid>it says on the wiki to edit /etc/rc.d/rc.4
18:50<streuner>no way
18:50<cthuluh>terid: which wiki?
18:50<pedro>streuner, PCI II
18:51<terid>you knwo what im sorry its on linuxquestions lol
18:51<streuner>pedro: nah, i mean what kind of pciid has your device
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18:51<streuner>pedro: just use "lspci -nn"
18:51<terid>damiano you thing fluxbox and rox is bad?
18:52<scraze>pedro: it's a number that looks like [10de:0193]
18:52<pedro>Sorry....I was not undestand...but now...
18:52<pedro>VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] [10de:0a20] (rev a2)
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18:52<streuner>judd, pciid 10de:0a20
18:52<judd>[10de:0a20] is 'GT216 [GeForce GT 220]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
18:52<damiano>terid, no
18:52<terid>damiano is the new kernal to be avoided?
18:52<damiano>terid, it's just that you install them together. I mean.. that's not supposed to be troublesome. But though it is.
18:53<pedro>I a little confuse in the irc...:)
18:53<damiano>terid, again - no. But i had problems doing that :)
18:53<damiano>terid, many people upgrade their kernels, they say it's fine. It's not so with me :)
18:53<damiano>terid, so that's why i stay away from such actions.
18:53<terid>hehe ok
18:53<streuner>pedro: ok, iam too, but why do you think you need third party drivers at all?
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18:54<damiano>it may ruin your xorg settings and that means re-installation. Well, unless of course you know how to put it all back.
18:54<terid>damiano can u help me out to get a graphical login manager going on boot? atm i have to type startx i have no clue
18:54<damiano>try installing gdm
18:54<terid>thats ht egnome one right?
18:54<terid>ah really? :/
18:54<damiano>but it should work for your desktops
18:54<sney->there is also kdm, slim, xdm, maybe others
18:54<pedro>I likes play this game, a Qkaue 4....but aparently, not works ins Nvidia-glz debian...
18:54<terid>i was going to use qingy
18:54<damiano>yeah, but use gdm3. Or xdm
18:54<sney->slim is good and minimal
18:54<damiano>oh well.. use whatever you like.
18:54<pedro>Quake 4...
18:54<terid>might go for slim
18:55<pedro>Is rarelly I play...but...
18:55<terid>when i install slim will it auto start? or do i have to config it? im just not sure which files to configure is my problem
18:55<streuner>pedro: ok, i just forgot, you need nvidia drivers then, but just use the wiki in Debian then
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18:55<damiano>terid, it should.. there was a configuration for it
18:55<damiano>like... dpkg-reconfigure session or something
18:55<damiano>find it in the web
18:55<terid>ok thanks guys ill give it a go from aptitude
18:55<damiano>and it will setup your default session manager
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18:56<pedro>The problem is, heare, in brasilian irc...the mans, downt help us....
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18:57<pedro>Every body is quiet.
18:57<pedro>Not tk...
18:57<streuner>yes, because we dont support third party drivers here...
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18:58<streuner>pedro: if the wiki at about isnt helpful, we always recommend #nvidia at freenode
18:58<scraze>streuner: judd says his pciid has no nvidia module in squeeze, anbe's backport of 275 should be through in a matter of days but currently the guide will only help him get 195 afaict ?
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19:02<pedro>Tanks everybody, and so sorry for all...
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19:04<streuner>pedro: nobody expects from you to say sorry, just to unterstand what Debian is here...
19:04<scraze>hang on a sec.. the package is not in any more , is it through already?
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19:05<streuner>are you talking about dpkg?
19:05<pedro>yes man....
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19:05<scraze>nvidia-support and nvidia-graphics-driver
19:06<pedro>Nobody in nvidia suport tk too....Afffffff!!!
19:07<sney->pedro, the nvidia channel is on a different network
19:07<sney->!otherchannel pedro #nvidia
19:07<dpkg>pedro: The channel you are looking for is #nvidia on Please do /server and then /join #nvidia. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
19:08<pedro>I coneccted a #nvidia.
19:08<pedro>I in.
19:09<streuner>#nvidia 74 UNOFFICIAL NVIDIA Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris Graphics Driver Support | Releases: official: 290.10, legacy: 173.14.31, 96.43.20, 71.86.15 | | DO NOT FLOOD! (use | try to use your distribution's driver packages | Have you tried nvidia-settings?
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19:10<scraze>streuner: I can only find nvidia-support back in but even though it's not in the NEW list, it doesn't seem to be through either. Admittedly I don't understand the finer points of that process ;]
19:11<Yacobh>Hi everybody
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19:17<pedro>lI give up, is very complicated to install this driver on Debian.
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19:19<streuner>i doubt, that nvidia makes a difference to different Linux distros :-)
19:20<sney->well, it's probably fairly easy on stuff like lfs that don't have strong package management
19:20<sney->so the installer is ok
19:22<pedro>The nvidia-glx is OK...
19:22<pedro>Only problen is to execute Quake 4...
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19:25<scraze>pedro: so glxgears works fine and glxinfo | grep "rendering:" gives "direct rendering: Yes" ?
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19:26<steven>Hi, i am trying to dist-upgrade a fresh 6.0.3 install to testing and i keep running into this error : Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
19:27<pedro>U likes a put the error heare?
19:27<steven>it seems not isolated to me but haven't found a fix online
19:27<sney->steven: testing support goes to #debian-next, but there are a lot of issues with gnome stuff in testing right now due to the gnome2-gnome3 transition
19:27<sney->steven: currently, best advice is if you want to use testing, don't rely on gnome
19:27<scraze>pedroc: is still the BadLength error?
19:28<scraze>whoops, wrong nick
19:28<steven>ah ok thank you sney
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19:28<scraze>well if nvidia works properly then that really is a question for #nvidia :( or at least someone who knows more, it's not an error I recognize
19:29<sney->or a question for whoever supports quake on linux
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19:29<pedroc>i am not pedro
19:29<scraze>pedroc: sorry :( somehow my irc client completes wrongly
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19:31<pedro>I try install a nvidias pakage and appers this error:
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19:33<retrospectacus>pedro: why would you do that? Didn't we just spend like 1h helping you do it the right way?
19:33<nevyn>pedro: that is using nvidia-installer which is not supported here.
19:33<nevyn>please use the debian package if you wish to get help here.
19:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia>.
19:35<pedro>I a stupid...
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19:36<retrospectacus>we are not above helping stupids, but we require that you read what we tell you
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19:36<pedro>I read....
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19:36<pedro>I tray a gai talk to Brasilian debian users...
19:37<retrospectacus>they will tell you the same thing in brazilian :)
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19:37<retrospectacus>err portugese (?)
19:37<pedro>But the guys not responde...
19:38<nevyn>retrospectacus: maybe... debian assistance varies wildly with which volunteer happens to be online and responsive at the time.
19:38<pedro>All are quiet...
19:38<retrospectacus>fair enough
19:38<pedro>I try a read brasilian artiqueles...
19:39<pedro>Or portuguese...
19:39<nevyn>retrospectacus: for ever babilen themill and abrotman there are 3 guys who installed it last week but want to "help"
19:40<retrospectacus>hehe yes indeed, probably more so in #d-br
19:41<pedro>I in #debian-br too...
19:41<nevyn>br has a higher participation but I don't know how that affects the clue ratio
19:42<nevyn>one would hope that a rising tide lifts all ships.
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19:43<pedro>I see everibody Br...nobody....nobody....
19:44<retrospectacus>pedro: that is unfortunate but stop telling us
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19:45<pedro>I will not bother ... more
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19:45<pedro>I solve this problem by installing windows on another partition and ready.
19:46<scraze>pedro: since you're using nvidia's own installer, perhaps you'll have more luck at
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19:46<pedro>scraze, tanks friend....
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19:47<nevyn>scraze: please don't advise people to break their systems.
19:47<scraze>nevyn: I've tried suggesting the debian packages. Just stating.
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19:58<MadMuppet006>I would like to access an xserver over a ssh connection .. how would I go about that?f I have x11forwarding yes in the ssh file
19:59<MadMuppet006>I have two debian systems and want to access one from the other .. I can ssh into it but not sure how to go about accessing the xserver
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20:02<retrospectacus>MadMuppet006: ssh -X server
20:02<retrospectacus>then run whatever X program and it will appear locally
20:04<MadMuppet006>retrospectacus: I tried ssh -X user@address and got a not authorised to use x11 I have changed the sshd_config file to allow this
20:05<retrospectacus>did you restart the sshd?
20:05<MadMuppet006>when I used startx
20:05<MadMuppet006>yes did it yesterday the machine has been restarted since
20:06<retrospectacus>startx eh, not sure if that is supposed to work that way
20:06<MadMuppet006>just had a thought .. give it a try
20:06<retrospectacus>normally you just ssh in and then run whatever program you want to use
20:07<MadMuppet006>yeah that was my thought
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20:08<MadMuppet006>k emacs worked
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20:09<retrospectacus>isn't emacs a CLI program anyways?
20:09<MadMuppet006>yeah came up graphical though
20:09<MadMuppet006>so all good ..:)
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20:09<retrospectacus>right on, well enjoy :)
20:09<retrospectacus>beer o'clock here, I'm going home!
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20:11<cthuluh>running xemacs remotely sounds... weird
20:13<cthuluh>have a good beer 8)
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21:11<pedro>I return....
21:11<pedro>with good news...
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21:12<pedro>I solve the problem....
21:12<pedro>realy...I stupid...
21:13<pedro>I not system is 6b...
21:14<dvs>!pal pedro
21:14*dpkg points at pedro and laughs hysterically
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21:15<pedro>To run Quake 4 an other necessary a libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 file...
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21:16<pedro>Only this...
21:16<sney->oh. amd64. yeah.
21:16<sney->this is what happens when you leave out details
21:16<pedro> fault.
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21:17<pedro>after many hours tray...I foun at this time!" ;)
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21:17<pedro>not so much stupid I am....
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21:20<pedro>Undestand english some time is dificult....translate the thinks too...
21:20<pedro>But...calm down!
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21:24<p0tat3rs>hm, anus
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22:19<mobius420>greetings :]
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23:03<mobius420>hey guys I am operating Debian Squeeze on an HP Tablet, which uses an ARM chip set. Does anyone know if it's possible to find a version of adobe flash player for ARM chipsets?
23:04<mobius420>I am pretty sure it exists because the webos side of the tablet can play flash movies with no problem.
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23:05<mobius420> I have it running ldxe
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23:06<mobius420>I was surprised to see how many apps have an AR compile for them already in existence
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23:12<sney>mobius420: unless webos is linux-based, it's unlikely that there's a linux flash player for arm
23:12<mobius420>web os is linux based
23:12<mobius420>very much so :P
23:13<sney>well, you'd need to find the from that and the rest of the pieces
23:13<mobius420>i am currently looking at versions of flash for android devices
23:13<sney>it most likely won't be packaged somewhere for easy installation
23:13<mobius420>as android uses ARM ver7 I think
23:14<mobius420>rather the phones android runs on
23:14<nevyn>but webos is not X11 based.
23:14<nevyn>so the drawing subsystem at a minimum is going to be quite different
23:15<mobius420>no it's not X11 based
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23:21<shaun44>I have a quick question. I just installed the latest version of Debian. During installation, I was asked to pick a software source to download from. I picked the nrc one. During the installation it said that it was unable to download anything from there. Once installed, I opened up the software centre to attempt to download some third party software.
23:22<shaun44>I tried to check the link in "third party software" and it said to check my internet connection because it could not retrive anything from there. Is there a list where I can chose a different place to obtain the third-party packages list?
23:23<sney>there is no third-party source in a default debian install
23:23<sney>we only have main, contrib, and non-free
23:24<cthuluh>$SEARCH_ENGINE debian mirror list would have given you results, if I understand you correctly
23:24<shaun44>oh.. so how would I go about adding other software, such as acroread, vlc, etc?
23:25<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
23:25<cthuluh>vlc is in main ; acroread is useless, imho
23:25<sney>dmm has the acroread iceweasel plugin, which is semi-useful, and all the multimedia codecs that are out of official debian for legal reasons
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23:28<terid>could someone help me with fluxbox / tint2 please. im trying to get tint2 to run automatically with fluxbox. i added (sleep 2s && tint2) & to ~/.fluxbox/startup but it didnt seem to work
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23:38<heikkila>cthuluh, in the web browser?
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23:39<cthuluh>heikkila: see mozplugger
23:41<heikkila>cthuluh, hmm, I meant the $SEARCH_ENGINE, for a while I thought you meant bash :)
23:41<heikkila>Mozplugger looks nice though :)
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23:43<cthuluh>$SEARCH_ENGINE is my way to tell people to stfw, in the same way as $EDITOR is used
23:43<cthuluh>instead of just using "stfw" or "google foobar"
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