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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-11-25

---Logopened Fri Nov 25 00:00:31 2011
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00:35<MA875>Hello everyone
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00:59<philipp>what does glxinfo do?
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01:00<philipp>are the backports available now?
01:02<philipp>anyone alive who can help me with some basic stuff?
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01:04<jm_>no
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01:40<philipp>guys 2 questions: 1 where is my var from the ftp server 2.witch group do i have to put my user into so he can write?
01:41<jm_>what "var" are you talking about? which ftp daemon?
01:43<philipp>jm like my webserver is on /var/www there has to be a var for my ftp too
01:43<jm_>philipp: answer the second questions first
01:44<philipp>jm i dont know... just checked ftp on default installation
01:44<jm_>philipp: try dpkg -l | grep ftp
01:45<philipp>ii ftp 0.17-23 The FTP client
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01:46<wiggles>hi
01:46<wiggles>im new
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01:46<philipp>im old
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01:47<wiggles>no im new to xubuntu
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01:47<wiggles>wats up
01:48<jm_>that won't be ftp daemon
01:48<philipp>not much... haveing some trouble getting used to my ftp server
01:48<jm_>!ubuntu
01:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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01:52<philipp>jm if you have any question just ask and i try to answer
01:52<philipp>sry it was wiggles i think xD
01:52<philipp>narf
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01:54<philipp>philipp@debian:~/HoN$ aptitude search ftp |grep -i ^i
01:54<philipp>i ftp - The FTP client
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01:55<jm_>then check what's listening on port 21
01:55<philipp>how do i do that?
01:56<jm_>wnetstat -nap|grep '21.*LISTEN'
01:56<jm_>without 'w' and as root
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02:01<philipp>nothing
02:04<jm_>are you sure you have ftp server running?
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02:06<philipp>well i guess not
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02:27<philipp>guys i love you all
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03:46<owner>Ok, can someone tell me how to use the sudo chmod u=rwx /directory/ -R to change permissions of everything under a directory including other directories?
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03:48<nocturnal>chmod -R 0700 /dir
03:49<owner>that just made them all protected
03:49<owner>I want permission to do anything I want with my files
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03:49<owner>I don't want to have to be root to access my files
03:50<owner>it looks like I'm screwed now
03:51<jm_>777
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03:51<owner>I think that worked
03:51<owner>;)
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04:05<bro77>hi
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04:45<oxicarus>any idea why backspace (alt) + backspace doesn't work with recent irssi build at debian?? =(
04:45<oxicarus>it works on my other systems.
04:45<oxicarus>if i rebind the function on different key, it works. also other meta+keys work, its just the meta+backspace combo that seems off =(
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04:51<cmn>oxicarus: this channel is for smuxi, you might want to /join #debian
04:51<cmn>oxicarus: sorry
04:51<cmn>I channel the channel w/o noticing
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06:19<And1>Hey folks. Any ideas, why chromium-browser just shows me this damn "Aww Snap" error page after the update last night? (15.0.874.106 (Developer Build 107270 Linux) Built on Debian unstable, running on Debian wheezy/sid)
06:20<yhlfh>don't know. have same issue when in unstable
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06:22<And1>Hrm. : /
06:22<And1>Anyone knows the chromium IRC channel/server?
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06:23<gnugr>And1: #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net
06:24<And1>gnugr: Thanks. : )
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06:27<jm_>did you check BTS?
06:29<chaos>how do i tell mount.cifs that i'm trying to mount a drive from win7 as Guest?
06:29<And1>jm_: No. I would've checked it via my browser, but it doesn't work. ; ) : /
06:31<gnugr>And1: did you install chromium-browser and chromium-browser-l10n or just chromium?
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06:32<chaos>where would i - if at all - find in my logs at what speed a specific network connection was established?
06:32<And1>gnugr: chromium, chromium-browser and both with -inspector. Though I didn't install it right now, I just clicked "Update chromium" last night, 'cause there was already a newer version on my system it seemed.
06:32<chaos>ie ... the NIC in linux can do 10/100/1000 but i want to make sure gigE was established
06:33<petemc>dmesg should say
06:33<petemc>otherwise ethtool will tell you
06:33<gnugr>And1: also install chromium-browser-l10n and try again
06:33<chaos>it only says eth2 up
06:34<And1>gnugr: Still doesn't work then.
06:34<And1>Maybe I should remove my config-dir or my cache or something?
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06:36<And1>That also doesn't change a thing.
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06:38<gnugr>remove chromium and let only chromium-browser and chromium-browser-l10n http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium
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06:40<And1>gnugr: Hmm, that seems not to work, then also chromium-browser-things would be removed. ?
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06:41<And1>Hrm I'll just remove everything and reinstall the chromium-browser-packages, maybe that works.
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06:41<gnugr>remove all and download them again with this way http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium
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06:44<And1>gnugr:
06:44<And1>The following NEW packages will be installed: chromium{a} chromium-browser chromium-browser-l10n chromium-inspector{a} chromium-l10n{a}
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06:57<gnugr>And1: for more than 1 brower use this " update-alternatives --config x-www-browser "
06:57<gnugr>browser*****
06:58<And1>gnugr: Would running chromium-browser with the -g flag be informative?
06:58<gnugr>see man chromium-browser
07:00<And1>Well that's the debugging mode. Though it doesn't start after installing the -dbg package. But if it won't tell me, what's wrong with my chromium or anything else, I don't need it anyway.
07:01<gnugr>And1: for testing and more join #debian-next
07:02<gnugr>because are diff depends with squeeze
07:02<gnugr>,depends chromium-browser
07:02<judd>Package chromium-browser in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.11), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.0), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libevent-1.4-2 (>= 1.4.13-stable), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.9), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.2), libgl1
07:02<judd>-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglewmx1.5 (>= 1.5.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libicu44 (>= 4.4.1-1), libjpeg62 (>= 6b1), libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), libv8-2.2.24, libvpx0 (>= 0.9.0), libx11-6, libxext6, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libxrender1, libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.25), libxss1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), xdg-utils, (1 more message)
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07:03<And1>I also can't just downgrad chromium, can I?
07:03<gnugr>not sure for sid
07:04<gnugr>join #debian-next and ask
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07:05<And1>gnugr: Thanks. : )
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07:07<OdyX>And1: w.r.t chromium issue: known ( http://bugs.debian.org/647992 )
07:11<Sicelo>nice. so i was trying to update epiphany (the browser) via apt-get. only now do i realize i installed a game. dumb me
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07:57<zeropiel>I want to use a repository to install some programs. As far as I can see the repository was made for etch. Is there a chance it might work? Should I download the .deb-files and install manually?
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07:59<project2501a>zeropiel: eh?
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08:01<zeropiel>project2501a: that bad? Sorry then. I'll look for the programs some other place.
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08:03<project2501a>zeropiel: i meant, i did not understand what you meant.
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08:05<zeropiel>i know. Just that I saw my question was confusing, and at the same time I found the program I wanted as a .bz2-file in a newer version
08:06<nodiscc>hello everyone, how can I connect to a SFTP server using pubkey auth with Nautilus 3 ?
08:06<nodiscc>my pubkey is stored in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, i'm able to connect through the standard ssh command. Nautilus keeps saying "acces denied"
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08:14<project2501a>good morning.
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08:17<Romen>Is there any way to enable "what you hear" option in ALSA? Debian 6, KDE
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08:18<nevyn>Romen: if your soundcard has a mix capture source
08:19<nevyn>otherwise the right answer is either pulseaudio or jack.
08:19<Romen>I think it has, it worked perfectly on windows
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08:24<marga>I'm having a very weird problem, and I'm currently out of ideas: in a certain machine, the gtk stock items appear untranslated. All the rest of the stuff is correctly translated, just not the gtk stock things.
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08:25<marga>I've straced and checked all the .mo files that are opened. I re-installed all the packages containing them, in case one of those files had been corrupted, but it made no difference.
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08:25<marga>I'm testing it with the same user with ssh -X in two different machines, in one works, in the other it doesn't, so it's not a user environment thing.
08:26<marga>I've also re-generated the locales, just in case.
08:26<marga>Can anyone think of anything else I might try?
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08:35<onryo>Is there a reason that "Turbo Boost" does not seem to be kicking in on my Sandy Bridge 2600 CPU. Been looking at cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
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08:38<jm_>onryo: use turbostat to see if it works
08:38<onryo>Just compiled ffmpeg and am blasting all the 4 cores and HT with compressing a 48GB Bluray with x264 to max the cpu
08:39<onryo>jm_ turbostat sounds cool. Is that a program? I have set my BIOS to use TB
08:40<jm_>onryo: yup
08:40<onryo>jm_ will look into it now
08:40<onryo>jm_ thx
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08:45<jm_>onryo: here cpufreq also indicates it
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08:46<jm_>(but it shows a wrong one, just indicates turbo is enabled)
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08:47<onryo>jm_ yeah I tried cpufreg but it is showing 3.4GHz twice as the fastest speed.
08:47<jm_>onryo: for me max freq + 1 indicates turbo one, but you'll need turbostat for more details
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08:48<jm_>need to run now
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08:48<onryo>jm_ a look in repos is not showing turbostat but I am getting something called acpidump
08:50<onryo>jm_ anyway you put me on the right track. Ill look into this. Good to know that linux does indeed support TB
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09:00<ml|>onryo: apt-file search turbostat it's in acpidump: /usr/bin/turbostat
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09:02<onryo>ml| there it is. Thx. Testing it right now
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09:15<shanks>afternoon all. is it OK to mix the use of aptitude and apt-get? sometimes it's more convenient to use one over the other depending on what you're trying to do. I know in the past this was not recommended
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09:20<ml|>shanks: IIRC, I saw some talk about this recently and it was said, it is fine to use both
09:20<gnugr>shanks: its ok to use both in a command line
09:21<cmr>shanks: Just curious, but what is more convenient with apt-get? (I don't really use it)
09:21<nodiscc>shanks: i think if you purge/remove some packages with apt-get, aptitude will try to reinstall them at netx run. i may be wrong.
09:21*ml| never uses apt-get :)
09:21<nodiscc>cmr: apt-get --download-only is handy
09:22<ml|>aptitude can do that too
09:22<cmr>nodiscc: aptitude download?
09:22<cmr>Or does --download-only do more
09:23<cmr>Looks like aptitude also has a --download-only switch
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09:24<shanks>I quite like "aptitude why" and sometimes i prefer the extended regular expressions
09:24<nodiscc>ah? today i learned
09:24<project2501a>ok, if a machine has 1TB ram, wtf do put down as swap?
09:24<project2501a>2tb?
09:24<shanks>project2501a: none
09:24<cmr>project2501a: do you ever plan on hibernating?
09:24<project2501a>no
09:25<cmr>Then don't bother.
09:25<laarmen>project2501a: why would you need swap with 1TB RAM ?
09:25<project2501a>laarmen: some of the apps i am running go over 1TB
09:25<shanks>project2501a: BTW, you lucky b******d! I only got 4GB
09:25<ikex>Just remember the golden rule - make swap 2x bigger than your RAM. ]:->
09:26<ml|>heh
09:26<ikex>.oO( I'm coming here from the '90 )
09:26<shanks>nodiscc: I've seen that behaviour, but you can just use aptitude keep-all, or better , remove them via aptitude too.
09:26<project2501a>yeah, let me go over to newegg and purchase 8x900gb SSD disks to use them . . . as swap.
09:26<shanks>ikex: I think the golden rule has an upper limit. after 4GB RAM.. it starts to mean less and less IIRC
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09:27<nodiscc>yeah aptitude keep-all works for this
09:27<cmr>project2501a: What are you doing? If it uses that much ram it must be interesting
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09:27<project2501a>project2501a: folding proteins
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09:28<project2501a>and sequencing dna
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09:28<cmr>ah
09:28<shanks>cmr: well that counts as interesting ;-)
09:28<cmr>Yes it does
09:28<lucas_amorim>hello everyone! :) I have just bought a vaio netbook, it's the vpc-yb35, it's equiped with one of those new amd vision chips, the E450 and the AMD RADEON HD 6320 Graphics. I have managed to install debian and solve some problem (eg. touchpad was not working) but I have found no help on the web for configuring this video card with debian, can you point me some directions? Its working at a low resolution... :(
09:28*project2501a folds jelly
09:28<mister_s_talks>hello cool debian people
09:28<shanks>project2501a: nice to see you're using the fantastic debian for cool stuff.
09:29<project2501a>shanks: well, i could have run RedHat
09:29<mister_s_talks>is this the right place to find generous expert help?
09:29<project2501a>. . . but then realized: i can read the code.
09:29<project2501a>mister_s_talks: just USD$1000 per hour
09:29<nodiscc>lucas_amorim: have a look here http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo and here http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:30<mister_s_talks>can i pay in installments?
09:30<ml|>mister_s_talks: just ask
09:30<project2501a>sure, half up front
09:30<ml|>heh
09:30<lucas_amorim>nodisc: alrigth, thanks, all give it a try!
09:31<hoshi411>anyone hav e any luck getting debian on chroot on an android device?
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09:31<shanks>project2501a: I'd recommend Scientific Linux over RedHat.. it's the same thing
09:31<nodiscc>lucas_amorim: it may be outdated a bit though. Basically you will just need some fglrx* packages
09:31<hoshi411>im trying to put squeeze on my sl101
09:31<hoshi411>using the linux install apk
09:31<hoshi411>but it says that it cant find the release file
09:32<hoshi411>so I tried a different mirror
09:32<mister_s_talks>nice: i just installed squeze on an amd64 with internal gfx on a widescreen monitor....the install display works but 1st boot is a no go after grub...video is (out of range) somehow, and im upset now
09:32<lucas_amorim>nodisc: where can I get the updated packages, if that is the case?
09:32<project2501a>shanks: i recommend debian
09:32<hoshi411>and still doesnt find it
09:32<hoshi411>and I am connected over wifi
09:32<shanks>project2501a: what you use depends on what you're doing
09:32<hoshi411>nothing on google
09:32<hoshi411>I cant believe im the only one who has had this problem so far
09:32<shanks>project2501a: the main reason people go for CentOS/RHEL clones et al is because of the long support period for older versions (and stability, but you get that with Debian etc)
09:33<nodiscc>lucas_amorim: i think you have to install fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-control radeontool
09:33<project2501a>shanks: or their sysadmins are not coding competent
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09:33<project2501a>shanks: or they require someone to blame
09:33<project2501a>(when something breaks)
09:33<shanks>project2501a: a lot of sysadmins I've met arent' competent coders :) but that' the new world we live in
09:33<project2501a>ok, back to biology
09:34<shanks>project2501a: have fun :)
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09:34<lucas_amorim>nodisk: I am using debian i386. fglrx-glx-ia32
09:34<project2501a>masters in bioinformatics. bliah.
09:34<lucas_amorim>is needed?
09:34<nodiscc>nope.
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09:35<nodiscc>anyway it's not in the i386 repos
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09:35<lucas_amorim>:)
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09:36<lucas_amorim>trying...
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09:37<nodiscc>lucas_amorim: after that, try rebooting *without any* /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if it picks up the proprietary drivers
09:37<lucas_amorim>ok
09:37<lucas_amorim>:)
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09:39<nodiscc>so, is it still possible to use pubkey auth when connecting to a sftp server with nautilus 3.x ?
09:39<nodiscc>It was working in 2.x
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09:42<nodiscc>now it seems to only try with password auth, which is disabled on my server. so: access denied.
09:43<XeonBloomfield>Hello
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09:47<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: Installed packages, I'm gonna test. brb
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09:48<mister_s_talks>squeeze is still not 1st booting on my internal nvidia, im upset, but not enough to use ubuntu
09:48<Sicelo>nodiscc: yes.. mine does
09:48<Sicelo>just tested
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09:49<nodiscc>Sicelo: what did you enter in the connection dialog ? blank password ?
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09:49<shanks>mister_s_talks: well that's good
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09:50<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: didn't work :(
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09:51<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: I did: apt-get install fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-control radeontool linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
09:51<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: then I rebooted the system, but is still in low-res
09:52<Sicelo>nodiscc: there was no space for password. are u sure u chose SSH for service type?
09:52<nodiscc>lucas_amorim: what is the output of 'glxinfo |grep -i rend' ?
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09:52<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: nothing
09:52<nodiscc>Sicelo: nautilus 3.0.2-4, File > Connect to server > SSH
09:53<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: but glxinfo gives me:
09:53<lucas_amorim>name of display: :0.0
09:53<lucas_amorim>Segmentation fault
09:53<Sicelo>oh, my bad. am on 2.x
09:53<nodiscc>lucas_amorim: lsmod | grep video
09:53<babilen>lucas_amorim: Did you create a suitable configuration for fglrx? (e.g. " mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf") ? Could you paste your Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ?
09:53<Sicelo>sorry
09:54<nodiscc>Sicelo: yeah that's my problem ;) 2.x was fine
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09:55<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: Its big (due to webcam) I am gonna paste on pastebin
09:55<lucas_amorim>babilen: No I did not. Yes I can paste, hang on.
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09:56<Sicelo>btw, how do i remove the games without removing all of gnome as well?
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09:57<babilen>lucas_amorim: That would explain why fglrx is not used. I personally prefer to use the free radeon drivers and make sure that I have libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree installed for 3D hw acceleration when i am working on a box with ATI gpus.
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09:57<nodiscc>Every time i had problems with this, it was caused by dkms failing to build the modules (because of missing kernel headers and so on...). Xorg normally picks up the non-free driver automatically. But yeah the free driver does a good job.
09:58<lucas_amorim>nodiscc: http://pastebin.com/Vhhz6pB3
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09:59<lucas_amorim>babilen: http://pastebin.com/xzEPWVrg
10:00<lucas_amorim>babilen, nodiscc: what is the disadvantage of the free driver, then?
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10:01<lucas_amorim>babilen, nodiscc: should I do the echo -e 'Section "Device"... stuff?
10:01<babilen>lucas_amorim: I don't see many disadvantages. Typically the potential for slightly slower performance or missing support for things like HDMI ...
10:02<Zaba>lucas_amorim, the free driver's 3d acceleration is not nearly as good, especially for new-ish chipsest
10:02<lucas_amorim>babilen: I will need HDMI a lot! :)
10:02<nodiscc>brb
10:02<babilen>lucas_amorim: Yes, please create the configuration file. Make sure that the radeon module is loaded (lsmod|grep radeon) and reboot if not.
10:03<lucas_amorim>Zaba, babilen: hmm, then I think I am gonna stick to the non-free driver
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10:03<babilen>lucas_amorim: Yeah, no problem with that as well, but you need to tell Xorg to use it.
10:03<lucas_amorim>ok
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10:05<lucas_amorim>babilen: can I run that exact line or do I have to modify it before?
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10:06<babilen>lucas_amorim: The command I gave you does not need to be modified.
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10:06<lucas_amorim>awesome! :D
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10:07<babilen>lucas_amorim: You *have* to run it as root though. (or with sudo -c "...")
10:08<lucas_amorim>babilen: Ok, I have run it as root. Now, I see the radeon driver is not loaded as lsmod | grep radeon gives me empty output
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10:08<lucas_amorim>babilen: what should I do?
10:08<babilen>lucas_amorim: Just reboot
10:08<lucas_amorim>ok
10:09<lucas_amorim>brb then
10:09<babilen>lucas_amorim: One second
10:09<lucas_amorim>ok
10:09<babilen>lucas_amorim: Could you paste the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nfglrx ~i~nati" to http://paste.debian.net please?
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10:10<babilen>lucas_amorim: Ah, it will probably work. Just reboot and we take it from there if there are problems.
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10:11<lucas_amorim>paste and reboot or just reboot?
10:12<babilen>lucas_amorim: Just reboot -- We keep on working if you run into problems. See you soon :)
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10:12<lucas_amorim>here it is anyway http://pastebin.com/CTPmeDRH
10:13<lucas_amorim>ok
10:13<lucas_amorim>brb
10:13<lucas_amorim>thank you :)
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10:16<mister_s_talks>any ideas on fixing my squeeze 1st boot out-of-range display?
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10:17<lucas_amorim>babilen: did not work. :( I am using other laptop now. Cause X just faild
10:17<lucas_amorim>babilen: It keeps blinking the cursor on top left
10:17<lucas_amorim>babilen: ctrl F1 does not work
10:18<babilen>lucas_amorim: hehe, can you ssh into it?
10:19<lucas_amorim>I am gonna check
10:19<lucas_amorim>babilen: I need to find out its IP first
10:20<lucas_amorim>babilen: I am gonna login to the router
10:20<babilen>lucas_amorim: Ok, I need the Xorg.0.log again and the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga"
10:21<babilen>lucas_amorim: If you can't ssh into it, boot in rescue or single user mode.
10:21<lucas_amorim>ok
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10:27<mister_s_talks>i have $1000USD
10:27<shanks>mister_s_talks: cool. that's a lot of coke and whores
10:28<lucas_amorim>babilen: I will have to go somewhere, I will be back in 20 minutes, will you be here?
10:28<shanks>mister_s_talks: good weekend planned ?
10:28<aracon>mister_s_talks: nice, i have a bank account ;)
10:29<mister_s_talks>i have no debian :) my display wont 1st boot what can i do???
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10:30<babilen>lucas_amorim: Sure, take your time
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10:45<philipp>guys plz help me! i need help!
10:45<ReaverPT>oi
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10:47<philipp>no i was just trolling
10:47<philipp>debian is awsome
10:47<mister_s_talks>philipp: i need help moar
10:49<philipp>can anyone tell me how to activate the ftp server after i checked it on installation?
10:50<lucas_amorim>babilen: I am back. I have started the system in single-user mode. But, since i am using WPA encripted wifi to connect to the network, I have no idea on how to connect it right now. I am gonna use a usb stick to get the log files you wish.
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10:50<shanks>philipp: you should just be able to use it. what does 'ftp localhost' give you? a prompt?
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10:53<philipp>a shall where ftp> is standing
10:53<babilen>lucas_amorim: You could just rename the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf to something *not* ending in .conf (e.g. conf_bkp) and restart.
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10:53<shanks>philipp: if you see 'connected' then it's working
10:54<babilen>!tell philipp -about ftp must die
10:55<lucas_amorim>babilen: I am pasting the files right now
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10:55<lucas_amorim>babilen: ok, if we need I will do that
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10:56<philipp>ftp: connect: Connection refused
10:57<philipp>good too?
10:57<babilen>lucas_amorim: We don't *need* to, it might jsut be easier. If you do that, make sure that you get the Xorg.0.log for fglrx though. (probably Xorg.0.log.old)
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10:57<babilen>!connection refused
10:57<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
10:57<babilen>philipp: ftp must die
10:58<lucas_amorim>babilen: ok. Output of lspci -nn|grep -i vga:
10:58<lucas_amorim>00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9806]
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10:59<lucas_amorim>babilen: xorg log: http://pastebin.com/16gYE5hg
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10:59<jhutchins>,pciid 1002:9806
10:59<judd>[1002:9806] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9806 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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11:01<philipp>okey seems like i failed to install ftp
11:01<philipp>ftp: connect: Connection refused
11:01<lucas_amorim>judd: I don't get it, isn't snd-hda-intel an audio driver for intel chipsets?
11:01<judd>No package named 'don't' was found in squeeze/i386.
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11:01<lucas_amorim>lol
11:02<lucas_amorim>jhutchis: I don't get it, isn't snd-hda-intel an audio driver for intel chipsets?
11:02<babilen>lucas_amorim: That information is not applicable -- I guess that you need a newer fglrx version for that device, but I haven't verified that yet
11:04<lucas_amorim>babilen: yes, I think so. Because, If you look at the logs you will notice there is a list of devices that only goes as new as mobility HD 5000
11:04<lucas_amorim>babile: mine is 6320
11:05<lucas_amorim>babilen: any idea on how to get those newer packages
11:05<lucas_amorim>?
11:05<babilen>lucas_amorim: Indeed -- You could backport fglrx from sid which is explained in "/msg dpkg ssb"
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11:12<lucas_amorim>babilen: Do you know if fglrx from sid supports that chip?
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11:13<Torsten_W>it does
11:13<cupantae>hi there. i have the very common problem of needing to set brightness on a laptop with setpci. is there any way to change the default value for pci device settings?
11:14<cupantae>the problem is that 00 is full on, ff completely off on the device, which is the opposite of what the OS expects, so if the screen resumes from anything else, the backlight is off
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11:18<lucas_amorim>babilen: Should I look for squeezy-backports or something like "sid-backports"
11:18<lucas_amorim>?
11:18<lucas_amorim>squeeze
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11:21<cupantae>any help would be appreciated. has anyone else come across the problem of needing to use setpci for brightness?
11:21<corentin>Hello
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11:21<corentin>I've a acere aspire one 522 and I haven't any sound
11:22<m0use>corentin: which kernel? what is your sound hardware ?
11:22<corentin>can you help me please ?
11:22<corentin>2.6.32-5-686
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11:22<m0use>corentin: and your audio card ?
11:22<corentin>00:01.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device 1314
11:22<corentin>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
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11:24<ripjack>Hello, this is a messed up problem i'm having with nvidia xserver after outputing my laptop to a lcd display.... http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8531/screenshoted.png any solution ? thanks
11:24<m0use>corentin: http://www.benninger.ca/?p=60
11:24<corentin>Ok thanks I take a look
11:25<ripjack>I have never had any problem like this before in ubuntu or red hat with the same combination of hardware and settings
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11:26<m0use>corentin: if that fails you may get some luck with apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source; m-a prepare; m-a build alsa ;m-a install alsa
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11:26<corentin>KK
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11:34<m0use>ripjack: can't you just re-install the nvidia drivers? I'm not sure how you do it since I don't really use X but it gets asked here often and so someone will be able to help you
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11:34<m0use>ripjack: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
11:35<ripjack>yea but i don't see how reinstalling the drivers on a fresh system really works
11:35<ripjack>i'll try anyway
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11:36<m0use>ripjack: well I guess the nvidia drivers may not be 'free' and so you'll have to do it the debian way
11:36<sney>did you reboot after installing the nvidia driver?
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11:36<ripjack>i did not use the second display after installing
11:37<ripjack>and i did reboot after configuring it as a main display and i got this
11:37<ripjack>it worked great before the reboot
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11:40<gnugr>ripjack: for every time you fix new nvidia-settings the old xorg.conf must be removed, it try to build new.
11:41<ripjack>i was used to replace it while saving it in the settings gnugr
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11:52<corentin>no sound again
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11:54<m0use>corentin: you could try a backported kernel from squeeze-backports
11:54<corentin>i try with m-a
11:54<corentin>i make the apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source
11:55<gnugr>first get m-a and then try to install alsa dodules
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11:56<gnugr>modules***
11:57<corentin>oops i made m-a build alsa
11:58<corentin>after m-a prepare
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11:58<corentin>it is important ?
11:58<gnugr>yes
11:58<corentin>shit what shall I do ?
11:59<gnugr>use up-down-right arrows
12:00<corentin>into the shell ?
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12:00<gnugr>yes
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12:01<corentin>nothing happened
12:01<corentin>alsa is compiling with m-a
12:02<gnugr>then select>alsa select with space and Tab to click <ok>
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12:04<corentin>hmmm no
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12:05<corentin>55 % compiled
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12:06<corentin>if i let him compiling, it is very a bad thing if i use apt-get install alsa-modules ?
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13:05<apoleon>hello, i'm looking for a free software docx to txt converter in Debian. I would prefer a commandline tool. unoconv in libreoffice is'nt sufficient for me. Does such a beast exist?
13:08<mmgc84>hello
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13:31<roman_mogilevcev>hi, peoples!
13:31<retrospectacus>hello :)
13:32<mmgc84>hola roman_mogilevcev
13:32<gnugr>apoleon: did you try with txt reader?
13:32<roman_mogilevcev>Who from is Russia?
13:35<retrospectacus>Russians
13:35<g0rs>privjet?
13:36<apoleon>gnugr: no, i didn't know this application before, wait a second ;)
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13:36<gnugr>txtreader
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13:37<apoleon>gnugr: yes, i didn't know such a tool provides docx support
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13:39<retrospectacus>roman_mogilevcev1: hello again
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13:41<roman_mogilevcev1>I bad to speak english, why rissian canal?
13:41<abrotman>!ru
13:41<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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13:45<agymen>a
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13:46<apoleon>gnugr: i've tried different docx files but it seems txtreader can't handle it, but thanks for your help
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13:51<gnugr>apoleon: libreoffice can do it as well
13:51<gnugr>just tried
13:52<apoleon>gnugr: indeed libreoffice is nice, but i don't want to pull in all the dependencies. i'm looking for a standalone docx to txt converter which simply shows just the content of a docx file
13:54<gnugr>check in software-center for a converter
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13:56<retrospectacus>you can unzip a docx file and then parse the resulting word/document.xml
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13:57<spacemouse>apoleon: there is a docx2txt converter written in perl
13:57<apoleon>retrospectacus: how can i achieve this?
13:57<retrospectacus>apoleon: unzip foo.docx && xml2text ./word/document.xml
13:58<apoleon>spacemouse: the one on sourceforge? i tried it, but it doesn't work very well
13:58<retrospectacus>where xml2text is a suitable converter, not sure the exact one you need
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14:02<apoleon>retrospectacus: thanks for the hint, is xml2text a standalone program or is it included in some other package?
14:02<retrospectacus>I just made it up
14:03<retrospectacus>:D
14:03<apoleon>:P
14:03<retrospectacus>this worked ok: xmllint --html document.xml >document.html
14:03<apoleon>well, unzip works fine, but in fact a standalone tool like antiword for docs would be very nice
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14:03<retrospectacus>then links2 document.html
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14:07<apoleon>retrospectacus: that's a really nice solution, thank you
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14:07<retrospectacus>no problem. Enjoy :)
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14:14<tylerlong>Can anyone help me? I installed the nvidia proprietary driver and now I cant set my resolution above 1024x768 even though my monitor can handle up to 1280x764
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14:16<anbe>tylerlong, how did you install the nvidia driver? pastebin your Xorg.0.log
14:16<tylerlong>the debian methon described on the debian wiki
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14:19<tylerlong>http://pastebin.com/bCYGedzV
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14:19<tylerlong>I appreciate your help
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14:19<tylerlong>oops thats not the whole thing
14:21<tylerlong>http://pastebin.com/QmqSprPV
14:21<tylerlong>this is the whole one
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14:24<luisa>HOLA??
14:24<luisa>weasel¿?
14:24<retrospectacus>hello luisa, how is your Debian working?
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14:25<tylerlong>see anything anbe?
14:26-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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14:27<retrospectacus>tylerlong: I believe your problems begin on line 134
14:27<luisa> where are you?
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14:27<tylerlong>how should I fix that?
14:27<retrospectacus>luisa: this is Debian support. If you want to chat go to #moocows
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14:28<luisa>ok
14:28<luisa>bye
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14:29<retrospectacus>tylerlong: don't know... edit xorg.conf and disable one of them I guess
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14:29<tylerlong>okay, thank you
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14:32<philipp>hey... is my nvidia gforce 560 ti in squeeze backports now?
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14:46<anbe>philipp, no, not yet
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14:48<philipp>anbe and now?
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15:19<lucas__amorim>babilen: I have tried installing those packages from squeeze-backports, but they were already the newest versions...
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15:24<babilen>lucas__amorim: The idea is to backport them *yourself* -- How to do that is explained in "/msg dpkg ssb"
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15:26<lucas__amorim>babilen: alright, but first, is there a way to check if those packages in sid support this hardware?
15:26<bowie>Hello, everybody!:)
15:27<aavvn>hi bowie
15:27<bowie>guys, can anybody help a newbie with nvidia driver installation in debian?
15:27<bowie>I mean I use AV linux distro
15:28<bowie>and have no idea how to install correctly drivers for it :(
15:28<bowie>tried to search the internet but it was useless...
15:28<bowie>there is such a thing as sgfxi installer or something like that
15:29<bowie>does anybody know how does it work?
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15:31<Sicelo>AV linux distro?
15:32<ryo>just tried bin from nvidia?
15:32<bowie>Yes, it's a linux distribution for musicians
15:32<bowie>based on debian
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15:33<bowie>the problem is that I'm noob
15:33<bowie>and don't know how to install bin
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15:34<Black_Prince>dpkg, based on debian
15:34<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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15:34<bowie>ok, I'm sorry
15:35<aavvn>bowie: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
15:35<bowie>aavvn, tnx for the link
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15:37<XayOn>bowie: wich distro is, for curiosity?
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15:40<bowie>AV Linux 5.02
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15:44<lucas__amorim>babilen: I am in the backporting step. Which packages should I backport? All of them?
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15:50<lucas__amorim>babilen: All packages or just those fglrx* ?
15:51<XeonBloomfield>exim4 uses for default port 25 or 587?
15:52<babilen>lucas__amorim: AFAIK they come all from the same source package (i.e. fglrx-driver) and it should be enough to backport the package of the same name. You'll get a number of binary packages.
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15:52<babilen>lucas__amorim: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=fglrx-driver
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15:54<lucas__amorim>babilen: ok! :)
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15:57<babilen>XeonBloomfield: smtp is typically running on port 25 and smtps on 465 -- Where does 587 come from?
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15:58<XeonBloomfield>babilen: I fount it searching for "exim4 default port" on Google
15:58<XeonBloomfield>found*
15:58<Black_Prince>587 is submission port
15:58<Black_Prince>It can be used as smtp port, too :)
15:59<Black_Prince>https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2476.txt
15:59<babilen>XeonBloomfield: I would rather recommend to take a look at the configuration files -- Google searches a plethora of contradictory and wrong documents and information fusion is unfortunately still an active research area.
15:59<babilen>(or not, depending on your viewpoint)
15:59<XeonBloomfield>babilen: it uses port 25
16:00<lucas__amorim>babilen: after installing the newer packages all I'll have to do is put back that configuration file to make Xorg use the proprietary driver again, right?
16:00<babilen>lucas__amorim: yes
16:01<Daleko>hi there :)
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16:02<heikkila>oh, hey there
16:02<XeonBloomfield>babilen: it uses port 25
16:02<XeonBloomfield>argh
16:02<XeonBloomfield>bad window
16:02<lucas__amorim>babilen: thanks! I will try it as soon as possible
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16:02<Adysone>Hello
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16:03<Adysone>Hello
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16:07<lucas__amorim>babilen: one of the steps had failed: http://pastebin.com/PJQTdYkR
16:08<lucas__amorim>babilen: any idea?
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16:12<babilen>lucas__amorim: Yes -- backport fglrx-driver only and you have to install the build dependencies first
16:12<babilen>lucas__amorim: You backport a *single* source package from which *multiple* binary packages are created.
16:13<babilen>lucas__amorim: So, you want to run "aptitude build-dep fglrx-driver" before "apt-get -b source fglrx-driver"
16:13<Adysone>Hi all, any idea about why I have no permission to run a script which has the +x for all users?
16:13<lucas__amorim>babilen: alright
16:14<lucas__amorim>babilen: now its building :)
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16:16<lucas__amorim>babilen: I got another error, I am gonna paste it for you...
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16:18<lucas__amorim>babilen: http://pastebin.com/FipCeMqV
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16:21<debiangreat>My system doesn't allow me to modify /sys directory values directly (for instance, the parameters of the firmware of a network card); I am not allowed to do this even after becoming superuser. I know that in other systems it's possible to tweak things that way, how can this limitation be overcome ?
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16:22<babilen>lucas__amorim: Looks as if backporting that package involves a few more steps. I'll investigate that later if I may, and I guess that you either have to wait (I am pretty busy today) or install the drivers from upstream. (i.e. directly from ati) We do not support that (#ati does) and I would recommend to use the Debian packages eventually.
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16:24<lucas__amorim>babilen: Ok, thank you very much for your help, I am gonna try with the ati drivers.
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16:24<babilen>lucas__amorim: One thing to try would be to completely remove your existing fglrx installation or building the package in a chroot (with, say cowbuilder), but the latter is probably completely new to you
16:24<lucas__amorim>babilen: in which server do they have this #ati channel?
16:25<babilen>lucas__amorim: #ati is on irc.freenode.net
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16:43<debiangreat>My system doesn't allow me to modify /sys directory values directly (for instance, the parameters of the firmware of a network card); I am not allowed to do this even after becoming superuser. I know that in other systems it's possible to tweak things that way, how can this limitation be overcome ?
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17:04<neko>debiangreat, www.google.com/search?sys%20filesystem
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17:06<debiangreat>neko: what do you mean?
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17:07<neko>the parameters of the firmware of a network card is stored somewhere else
17:07<neko>"The /sys filesystem on Linux is a counterpart to /proc, which provides a lot of (non-process related) detailed information about the in-kernel status to userspace, eg. devices, busses and loaded modules."
17:08<XeonBloomfield>How to change time zone to UTC without using dpkg-reconfigure?
17:08<debiangreat>neko, I read several web pages that instructed how to fix network problems by tweaking the content of /sys files directly
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17:13<debiangreat>sney-:
17:13<babilen>XeonBloomfield: Why is it important to not do it with dpkg-reconfigure?
17:13<XeonBloomfield>babilen: bash script
17:14<babilen>XeonBloomfield: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst
17:14<damiano>why doesn't Firestarter autostart?.. When it boots up i manage to notice a message that Firestarter failed to initialize...
17:14<babilen>XeonBloomfield: Preseeding the debconf db would be another option
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17:15<sney->debiangreat: ?
17:15<debiangreat>My system doesn't allow me to modify /sys directory values directly (for instance, the parameters of the firmware of a network card); I am not allowed to do this even after becoming superuser. I know that in other systems it's possible to tweak things that way, how can this limitation be overcome ?
17:16<sney->damiano: check the firestarter configs in /etc, there may be a directive that keeps it from autostarting. having a firewall enabled by default on install would be dangerous.
17:16<damiano>hm... ok
17:16<damiano>why dangerous?
17:17<sney->imagine you were installing it on a vps, and it brought itself up and filtered your ssh port
17:17<damiano>hm..
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17:18<damiano>but what if i don't want anyone to break in my system using ssh and port 22?
17:18<damiano>right now i can specify someone's IP so only he could get an access to it
17:18<sney->then you can configure your firewall and enable it at that point
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17:19<sney->the point is that there is no "default" firewall configuration that should be enabled out of the box
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17:19<damiano>i see.
17:19<damiano>alright... let me check that config thing..
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17:20<babilen>Or rather: That the *only* reasonable default configuration is not to block any traffic which renders this completely pointless
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17:20<sney->indeed
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17:21<damiano>so you mean i should just leave it as is?
17:21<sney->no...
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17:22<damiano>pff..
17:23<sney->we're saying that YOU need to configure your firewall for what YOU need, and until it's configured, it should not be enabled.
17:23<sney->and having it disabled by default FORCES you to change the configuration.
17:23<damiano>ah...
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17:38<debian182>im getting this http://paste.debian.net/147031/ error when trying to build pidgin form the debianized source
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17:40<dondelelcaro>debian182: which version of pidgin on which version of Debian and which architecture, and why aren't you using the packaged version?
17:41<sney->debian182: and why are you trying to build an old version of pidgin?
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17:41<debian182>its whats packaged in Ubuntu 10.04
17:42<sney->so?
17:42<sney->judd: versions pidgin
17:42<judd>Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b2; wheezy: 2.10.0-1+b2
17:42<retrospectacus>debian182: you didn't answer any of those questions...
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17:44<hayleyw>on booting i see that md3 (raid1) is only using 1 out of 2 disks. i have md0-md2 using the same two drives, and they're all using both disks. how do i fix md3?
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17:46<debian182>dondelelcaro, im using Ubuntu 10.04 im building form the source i got from 'apt-get source pidgin' im on amd64 and i want to enable some extra CFlAGS
17:46<sney->!ubuntuirc debian182
17:46<dpkg>debian182: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
17:47<debian182>im aware of that, though Freenode dislikes Tor
17:47<sney->that's not our problem. #debian doesn't support ubuntu. try the forum.
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18:00<pokexperto30>hello!
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18:01<heikkila>hello!
18:02<pokexperto30>hello
18:03<heikkila>pokexperto30, you can just state your debian related problem, you don't have to become anyone's friend first :)
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18:07<pokexperto30>no problem
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18:22<debiangreat>My system doesn't allow me to modify /sys directory values directly (for instance, the parameters of the firmware of a network card); I am not allowed to do this even after becoming superuser. I know that in other systems it's possible to tweak things that way, how can this limitation be overcome ?
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18:33<damiano>hey... why Audacious adjusts the system volume instead of its own?..
18:34<retrospectacus>"because"
18:34<damiano>pff... what do you mean "because"?.. how do i change it?
18:35<retrospectacus>that's just how it works. I don't think you can
18:35<damiano>pfff....
18:35<damiano>oh well..
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18:36<damiano>what if i tell you that it's solvable? :)
18:37<retrospectacus>then I'll say good for you :)
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18:37<damiano>haha
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18:37<damiano>alright, i'll tell you when i solve it
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18:38<retrospectacus>I don't use that program but I know that some apps have their own volume control and some have a slider that just adjusts the system volume
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18:39<damiano>ok, found it. There's a checkbox "Use software volume control"
18:39<damiano>it works :)
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18:40<damiano>now it's only adjusted in Audacious
18:40<retrospectacus>good for you :)
18:41<damiano>thanks, for you too ;)
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18:41<retrospectacus>yes I stand corrected! I *might* remember that next time someone asks...
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18:41<damiano>yep, exactly.. :)
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18:50<mint>hi
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18:51<rick>how are you?
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18:59<Jacob1>hi all. i am mac user and have had my old pc running debian with success from time to time... now when i try to Download debian-6...iso i cannot mount it on any computer?! i can mount other iso files but not the ones from debian :S what could i be doing wrong?
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19:04<cybersphinx_>Jacob1: Maybe a corrupted download, have you checked the md5sums?
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19:05<Jacob1>nope i havnt - dont know how... trying to goole now ;)
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19:15<Jacob1>well... the md5sum matches...
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19:17<Jacob1>wonder if it even should be mountable on a mac?!
19:18<Jacob1>i guess it should be right?
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20:55<yetanothermobiusalt> does anyone know if there is a form of flashplugin available for debian OS using ARM chipset? Specifically an HP touchpad running debian squeeze
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20:56<yetanothermobiusalt>to my knowledge they only support x86 architecture. But there are many mobile versions of flash....
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21:16<cmn>adobe releases versions for x86 and amd64 architectures
21:17<cmn>but you can try using gnash or swfdec
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21:18<damiano>is there any ISO mounter for linux like UltraISO?
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21:19<babilen>!mount iso
21:19<dpkg>hmm... iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
21:19<cmn>you don't need extra software, the kernel knows how to read iso
21:19<damiano>ah...
21:19<damiano>ok, that's cool
21:19<babilen>damiano: Something like that ^^^ or what does UltraISO do?
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21:20<damiano>well... i just want to mount ISO files to get direct access to installers and such
21:20<damiano>i don't want to unpack it
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21:20<damiano>of course, i'd prefer some GUI think... but cmd is ok too.
21:20<damiano>thing*
21:20<babilen>damiano: Understood -- You don't need to buy/install extra fancy GUI software for that.
21:20<damiano>yeah, i understand
21:21<cmn>some archive viewers understand iso as well
21:21<cmn>though I guess that would mean that you'd need to copy whatever files out
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21:22<damiano>yeo
21:22<damiano>yep
21:22<damiano>that's useful, but i need to emulate the drive
21:23<damiano>basically.
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21:24<cmn>"emulate the drive" in what way?
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21:25<damiano>in a way i can use ISO as just any real CD/DVD instantly
21:25<damiano>nevermind, it's already been answered
21:26<cmn>yeah, that's the usual method of just mounting it just like any other device
21:26<damiano>ok
21:26<damiano>thanks
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21:52<ex0a>is sun-java6-jdk not in the repo for testing in non-free ?
21:53<steinex>ex0a: yes, thank oracle
21:53<ex0a>yes, it is? or yes, it's been removed?
21:54-!-mode/#debian [+l 454] by debhelper
21:54<babilen>ex0a: It has been removed -- Use OpenJDK
21:54<steinex>redistribution of their jdk/jre is not legal anymore
21:54<babilen>(and one should use/target openjdk anyway)
21:54<ex0a>the software i'm using is built for sun's jdk
21:54<ex0a>i'll just do it by hand
21:55<ex0a>ty for your help
21:55<steinex>babilen: most of the time, yes. but it's hitting us hard, for example.
21:55<babilen>You might want to report that bug with the software then
21:55<Hydroxide>ex0a: oracle changed their license for new revisions of sun's jdk to forbid redistribution, and so as soon as the previous version became insecure, we had to remove it for that reason
21:56<ex0a>Hydroxide: makes sense.. for your reaction that is.. i don't know why they want to make it more difficult for people to use their software
21:56<Hydroxide>ex0a: we don't either. :) at the same time, the official public reason they did this was because not only is oracle's official commercial jdk 7 now derived from openjdk with minor changes, openjdk 7 is now the Java SE 7 reference implementation
21:57<Hydroxide>ex0a: so if your software works on Java SE 7 and you don't happen to get bitten by one of the few minor differences that still remain, it might work fine. the differences historically have been larger with more functionality differences, but some do remain.
21:57<steinex>OpenJDK for example just doesn't play well will DELL DRAC's - we would need sun-jre. it's a shame.
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21:58<damiano>hm.. how come i can't change toolbar/icons size in Inkscape..
21:58<damiano>i mean.. i can choose anything i want, but nothing happens
21:58<Hydroxide>steinex: is that still true with current java 7, or is that outdated? I have no doubt that lots of incompatibilities have been noticed, but very few people update those blogs/articles to say when it stops being true
21:58<damiano>small/smaller - same stuff...
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21:58<damiano>it's just big
21:59<ex0a>ty for your input Hydroxide
21:59<Hydroxide>ex0a: of course, there's no reason oracle's official jdk won't run on debian, but yes, you'll have to get it from them now. you're welcome.
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22:01<steinex>Hydroxide: i think those firmwares are still built for java 6 even. i wasn't going to blame openjdk - it's just that there are still some fuckups to expect
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22:02<steinex>sadly mainly from those enterprise "use this or no support"-enterprise players
22:02<Hydroxide>steinex: right. well stuff that's built for java 6 should run just fine on java 7, independently of binary-only vs openjdk
22:02<Hydroxide>steinex: and most of the former deficiences in older openjdk are fixed in newer openjdk/icedtea/etc
22:02<Hydroxide>such as formerly weak support things like signed applets and jnlp/web start
22:03<Hydroxide>there are still some deficiencies in things like fonts, but there are even a few desktop-y things where openjdk is better - I'm told sound mixing on linux is one
22:04<Hydroxide>indeed, though - if you want an unenlightened-megacorp enterprise support contract and you want to be able to name your JDK version explicitly and precisely and not void your contract, often you'll need Oracle JDK. Same argument is a reason people use RHEL. not technical issues in either case.
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22:05<steinex>Hydroxide | such as formerly weak support things like signed applets and jnlp/web start < this is especially the case for DELL drac-consoles. this is serial over ipmi and we couldn't get it to fly with openjdk so far
22:05<steinex>we don't care for support that much
22:05<steinex>we just need things to fly
22:06<steinex>and we want openjdk to fly rather than oracle ;)
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22:07<steinex>it just can get better :)
22:08*steinex wonders what the original question was
22:08<steinex>(sorry, weekend-mood)
22:09<steinex>ah, got it.
22:10*steinex dances openjdk in white leggins
22:10<Hydroxide>steinex: yup. I can confirm those particular things have been solved, which wasn't true even a small number of years ago.
22:10<Hydroxide>where small might even be something like 2
22:10<Hydroxide>almost certainly 3
22:10<Hydroxide>ok, 'night
22:10*Hydroxide &
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22:29<felix_>irc://irc.apiservers.com/#badlogic
22:29<ben_>Does anyone know of good Free Software web mapping / hosting? I am trying to stay away from Google but something like Google Maps?
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22:30<steinex>ben_: you should concentrate on services you can actually do yourself life email, calendar, etc.
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22:30<steinex>ben_: trying to replace maps will me, uhm, impossible? :)
22:30<philipp>guys someone know why hon is crashing? => http://paste.debian.net/147050/
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22:31<ben_>steinex: Well, for work I'm trying to find something I can use to make a map of multiple library districts. I tried Google Maps but not only do I feel wierd about Google, they don't even display all the districts at the same time.
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22:33<ayrton>wine server?
22:33<philipp>come on i wanna play hon
22:33<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/147050/
22:33<philipp>whats going wrong?
22:34<babilen>!tell philipp -about patience
22:34<babilen>philipp: I am also not able to find that game in Debian's archive and wonder why you think that we support it.
22:36<philipp>babilen its from http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/download.php
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22:36<philipp>babilen never saied its official supported but it worked under ubuntu i think its at least worth a try to get it working here
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22:40<philipp>babilen i know u can find out whats wrong! i belive in you! :P
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22:42<philipp>im never sure if u guys are thinking or ignoreing...
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22:54<flashuni>Hey all, I was wondering if the Nat-T kernel patch was included in debian 6 by default?
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23:06<damiano>philipp, they just don't know
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