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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-11-26

---Logopened Sat Nov 26 00:00:03 2011
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01:40<nnn>Hi. I use debian 6.0.3 + openbox 3.5.0-2 + ​​menu 2.1.44
01:40<nnn>I read this statement http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch6.html created directory .menu in my home directory and put the file aegisub there, containing these words http://paste.org/41352
01:40<nnn>then run update-menus of the user. Aegisub dosn't appear in my menu. And then run this command from the root - nothing has changed.
01:40<nnn>Then I copied the file aegisub as root in /usr/share/menu and update-menus, aegi appeared in the menu.
01:40<nnn>Question: Why does he not appear in the menu when the file aegisub is located in /home/user/.menu? Where have I erred?
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01:58<project2501a>mornign guys.
01:58<project2501a>morning, guys, even.
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02:09<seeS>you know you are having one of THOSE days when the program crashes and then, when you try to report it, reportbug crashes
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02:12<Zaba>sounds like fun
02:13<seeS>yes, reportbug has been for me (ironically perhaps) buggy
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03:14<project2501a>@#$!%@#!@# what is wrong with these people?! why do they depend on environmental variables to run their software?!
03:14*project2501a spits at platform lsf
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03:18<EmleyMoor>LibreOffice Calc is crashing frequently for me, with little warning... anyone else seen this? Is it a known issue?
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03:57<light>what software package do you use to combine parts of videos into one?
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04:37<Joelixny>Hello, I'm having trouble to get my network card to work at it's full potential. It's a 1W card and I can only run it on 100mW. I was told to set my country as Bolivia using "iw reg set BO" but that doesn't work, when I do "iw reg get" it shows the same region it had before (00). I read that I needed crda for it to work, so I installed it and tried it again with the same result. I tried the command "crda" but it gave me an error saying tha
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04:41<ompaul>Joelixny: you do know the error message didn't hit the channel you got as far as "... error saying tha"
04:41<rbong>hey- how to i boot into text mode in debian?
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04:41<rbong>like- what do i set in grub?
04:41<ompaul>rbong: which version of debian are you running?
04:41<nevyn>rbong: disable the gdm service
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04:42<nevyn>rbong: or don't install a displaymanager
04:42<rbong>6.0.3
04:42<nevyn>!runlevels
04:42<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>.
04:42<rbong>i already installed gdm
04:42<rbong>and now when it starts, it just gives a blank screen
04:42<rbong>on my dell e6410
04:42<nevyn>press ctrl - alt F1
04:42<rbong>vt's dont work
04:43<ompaul>rbong: to disable it right now, service gdm stop && update-rd.d -f gdm remove
04:43<rbong>vt doesnt work, bro
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04:43<Joelixny>Hello, I'm having trouble to get my network card to work at it's full potential. It's a 1W card and I can only run it on 100mW. I was told to set my country as Bolivia using "iw reg set BO" but that doesn't work, when I do "iw reg get" it shows the same region it had before (00). I read that I needed crda for it to work, so I installed it and tried it again with the same result.
04:43<ompaul>rbong: do what I said inside X it has to fall to it
04:43<Joelixny>I tried the command "crda" but it gave me an error saying that the COUNTRY variable wasn't set. I set it and exported it and then the error chanced to "Failed to set regulatory domain: -22".
04:43<Joelixny>I tried the command "crda" but it gave me an error saying that the COUNTRY variable wasn't set. I set it and exported it and then the error chanced to "Failed to set regulatory domain: -22".
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04:44<Joelixny>did that fit?
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04:44<rbong>i hit ctrl f1, nothing happenes- no terminal
04:44<ompaul>Joelixny: 1W is usally too much for unlicenced spectrum, however it did fit
04:44<rbong>crtl f1, crtl-alt f1
04:44<rbong>nothing
04:44<ompaul>rbong: run a terminal inside X and do what I said
04:44<rbong>i am staring at a blank screen
04:45<rbong>i cant start a terminal
04:45<Joelixny>How can I change it so that it uses Bolivia?
04:45<EmleyMoor>I think rbong needs to boot up in single-user or something and disable gdm from there... then reboot normally and investigate further
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04:46<rbong>that's what i'm trying to do-
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04:46<rbong>but all the entries in grub are different then what i find when i google a soln
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04:47<Joelixny>This problem only happens on Debian by the way, in other distros I am able to change my region to Bolivia just fine.
04:47<ompaul>rbong: inside X you click on terminal and start from there
04:48<compgrokker>rbong: press 'e' at the grub menu to edit it, and add S or Single (your choice) to the boot options line
04:48<compgrokker>ompaul: he doesn't have X, he has a blank screen
04:48<rbong>ompaul: I AM STARING AT A BLANK SCREEN
04:48<rbong>i dont have any kind of terminal
04:49<ompaul>rbong: so am I to take it you tried to install something like nvidia drivers?
04:49<rbong>i put the debian install cd into my computer
04:49<rbong>i booted into the installer
04:49<rbong>installed debian
04:49<rbong>then when it restarted,
04:49<rbong>a blank screen
04:49<valdyn>!tell rbong -about enter
04:49<rbong>no access to virutal terms
04:49<kenyon>sounds like it did not boot
04:50<rbong>no- it goes past grub
04:50<compgrokker>rbong: how much ram is in the system?
04:50<ompaul>rbong: how further
04:50<compgrokker>sounds like what my ancient laptop does, runs out of memory and locks up trying to start X
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04:50<rbong>like right until gdm is supposed to start, then there is a blank screen
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04:50<ompaul>rbong: so answer compgrokker's quesiton
04:50<rbong>compgroker- this is a laptop < 1 year old
04:51<compgrokker>rbong: but yeah, edit the grub line to have it go into single user mode, disable gdm, reboot
04:51<rbong>4 gig
04:51<ompaul>compgrokker: test the ram on boot with memchecker for a bit
04:51<compgrokker>rbong: ouch, something is fubar then
04:51<compgrokker>ompaul: nah, i know the problem is that it only has 64K of ram
04:52<compgrokker>ompaul: i brought it home from work to play with it anyway, didn't expect to do much with it *shrug*
04:52<rbong>ok- which line do i append the 'S' to?
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04:52<compgrokker>rbong: the boot options line for whichever kernel you're going to boot with
04:52<ompaul>the one with the kernel version number in it
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04:53<rbong>there are two- one starts with 'linux' - the other starts with initrd
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04:54<compgrokker>are you in the boot menu right now, or in the grub config file?
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04:54<compgrokker>the boot menu should just say the version numbers of the kernels
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04:55<rbong>oh- i hit 'e' on the first entry
04:55<rbong>the one that IS NOT the recovery mode line
04:56<compgrokker>ah ok
04:56<compgrokker>it should just be one continuous line, just hit the right arrow over to the end and type S, then hit enter
04:57<rbong>ok
04:57<rbong>i hit enter- it made a new line
04:57<compgrokker>oh
04:57<compgrokker>hmm, hang on
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04:58<rbong>yah- i already tried to do single user mode, but the new debian changes things
04:58<compgrokker>oh, hit b now
04:58<compgrokker>oh ok
04:58<rbong>a 'b' entered on screen
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04:58<compgrokker>should start booting once you hit 'b'
04:59<ompaul>rbong: here's the deal
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04:59<rbong>no- i entered a 'b' below the line where i appened the S
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04:59<ompaul>look at the screen remove the b look at the onscreen text you want to get it to boot after the S
05:00<ompaul>it tells you pretty much what keys to press
05:00<ompaul>it does not tell you about the S
05:00<rbong>yah
05:00<rbong>ok
05:00<rbong>ctrl-x to boot
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05:00<ompaul>so why tell us ;-)
05:00<ompaul>do it
05:00<rbong>nope- it booted to a blank screen
05:01<ompaul>rbong: ctrl alt f2
05:01<rbong>nothing
05:01<ompaul>rbong: looks like your install is a fair amount broken
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05:02<compgrokker>yeah, 3 things are coming to mind-- broken framebuffer, apic, or acpi
05:02<rbong>yah
05:02<ompaul>rbong: try a new install this time leave out the X stuff and see how far you get i.e. don't select desktop
05:02<rbong>ok- but then when i do #apt-get install gdm, wont this same problem occur?
05:02<compgrokker>yeah, or try out livecd's and see if you can find something that'll work without having to go through an install
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05:03<compgrokker>rbong: possibly, but at least you'll know whether the problem is X not liking your hardware, or something lower level not liking your hardware
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05:03<rbong>ok
05:03<compgrokker>X problems are easier to work with than broken hw
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05:03<ompaul>rbong: we don't know what's broken yet and you won't be installing apt-get like that taskselect is the way forward here
05:04<rbong>ok- one sec- let me reinstall :-)
05:04<compgrokker>k
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05:19<damiano>hi
05:19<damiano>how do i change display manager?
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05:19<damiano>i have two right now.. i need to switch to another one
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05:19<ompaul>damiano: dpkg-reconfigure xdm
05:19<damiano>thanks
05:20<ompaul>or whatever dm you are using
05:20<damiano>yep
05:20<damiano>got it
05:20<ompaul>xdm is a real one :)
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05:20<laarmen>damiano: More generally, if you need to switch a default program, use update-alternatives
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05:26<rbong>ok- so i installed debian w/o any graphical stuff
05:27<rbong>the last line i can see is "waiting for /dev to be populated" or something like that... any ideas?
05:27<ompaul>now you know how you did the boot last time - this time type in noapic on the kernel line and boot
05:28<rbong>ok
05:29<ompaul>rbong: basically there are 200 or so options you can hand to a kernel boot line (no I don't expect you to have to use that many)
05:30<rbong>ok- the last thing i saw was something 'noveau cant load'--- it still is going to blank screen
05:31<ompaul>ahh so it is an nvidia problem
05:31<ompaul>!nvidia
05:31<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
05:31<ompaul>devil: you about?
05:31<ompaul>I can't remember the answer
05:31<ompaul>rbong: this is a known problem
05:32<rbong>haha
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05:32<rbong>bummer- what should i do? use old stable?
05:32<ompaul>rbong: I have intel so I don't need to
05:32<ompaul>no you should wait on devil to answer that call for nvidia
05:32<rbong>roger that
05:32<ompaul>I need to leave I've to drive a couple of hundred kms now
05:32<ompaul>oh well
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05:33<ompaul>it's fairly easy, and then you apt-get install taskselect and install a desktop
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05:34<rbong>ok
05:35<rbong>so- i should just wait here in #debian?
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05:37<rbong>how could debian release a stable version that doesn't work on dell laptops?
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06:03<Bushmills>how could dell release a laptop which doesn't work with debian stable?
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06:04<rbong>!nvidia
06:04<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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06:14<rbong>hey- how do i disable the nvidia noveau driver?
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06:14<rbong>i was able to ssh into my machine that shows a blank screen
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06:15<yhlfh>anyone tried to use LVM to take a snapshot for the whole /, and boot the that snapshot system?
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06:21<damiano>hi
06:21<damiano>which is the best kernel i can upgrade to?
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06:23<OpenTokix>A linux kernel
06:23<damiano>i know
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06:23<OpenTokix>yhlfh: yes
06:23<damiano>you ok?
06:23<aracon>damiano: what is the "best"?
06:23<damiano>i dunno
06:24<damiano>i mean the most reliable at least
06:24<damiano>the one that wouldn't cause me no troubles
06:24<damiano>allegedly.
06:24<OpenTokix>damiano: 2.6.32 in squeeze works nicely
06:24<damiano>i know, that's the one i have
06:24<aracon>then you should stick with 2.6.32
06:24<damiano>but i have a couple of minor issues i'm hoping to solve
06:24<damiano>that's what i said while ago
06:24<damiano>i ain't playing with no kernels, but i started experimenting a bit... so i've decided to give it a shot
06:25<OpenTokix>damiano: what issues?
06:25<aracon>what minor issues are we talking about?
06:25<damiano>listen.. long to explain
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06:25<damiano>i've said it many times and don't wanna hear the same thing
06:26<damiano>it just gets annoying repeating the same shit....
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06:26<eightyeight>heh
06:26<damiano>my drive doesn't read all disks like at once
06:26<damiano>which never happens in windows
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06:26<damiano>yeah, right, my drive is shit and my disks are shit
06:26<damiano>it's not that it doesn't read it at all
06:26<damiano>it reads those perfectly
06:26<babilen>!enter
06:26<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
06:27<damiano>it's just that for some it takes a long delay
06:27<damiano>babilen, first of all, i'm annoyed. Secondly, those things just keep coming up.
06:28<damiano>and not that i like typing and jerking enter button all the time
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06:28<damiano>anyways.. not only enter, but everything else i said was unneccessary..
06:29<eightyeight>damiano: what sort of disks? ide? sata? sas? what sort of motherboard? what kind of delays are you seeing?
06:29<babilen>Indeed
06:29<damiano>sata
06:29<damiano>motherboard? Elitegroup
06:30<damiano>delays... as i said, it just takes too much time for some media to get identified
06:30<damiano>not to be read... but identified
06:30<eightyeight>like usb thumb drives?
06:30<damiano>once it's done i can do whatever i want, but it freezes up system even
06:30<damiano>no
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06:30<damiano>just disk drive man
06:30<damiano>CD/DVD
06:30<eightyeight>ah
06:30<damiano>it happens mostly to CDs though
06:31<eightyeight>define "identified". the kernel doesn't assign a device to it? or the icon takes a bit to show up on your desktop? or...?
06:31<damiano>actually, it could be my drive, but it's not that it's broken, maybe it's setup incorrectly.. in Windows i had a different prob with it... when burning CDs (and only CDs) it was slowing down my system, like DMA was off.
06:31<damiano>well, no. I've switched that option off... for icon to appear on the desktop
06:32<damiano>shit man... define identified..
06:32<damiano>alright...
06:32<eightyeight>is this an internal or external drive?
06:32<damiano>you just make me write a lot of stuff
06:32<damiano>internal of course
06:32<damiano>alright.. listen
06:32<damiano>when i insert a CD....
06:32<damiano>i have to wait. Right? The led flashes a bit...
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06:33<damiano>well it's not a bit!! That's the problem! It takes a whole eternity sometimes! It may flash a bit then it goes silent. I can go to manager and see what i got there... it could be there, yeah... like identified already, but then it gets stuck for a while, like it's trying to understand the media
06:33<damiano>and i have to wait
06:34<eightyeight>so /dev/cdrom already exists then. it's not that the kernel is having problems with the drive
06:34<OpenTokix>damiano: You can try to go into you bios and enable the option to wait a few seconds for the disks to spin up. - Since debian is booting way faster then windows usually. It might be so they havent spinned up correctly when its booting.
06:34<eightyeight>sounds like a problem with the hardware or the disk you're trying to read
06:34<damiano>hmm
06:34<damiano>well... alright.. tell me just one thing.. how come i don't have this in windows?
06:34<eightyeight>i don't know
06:34<damiano>well, you see
06:35<eightyeight>based on the information you've given me, it's clearly not a kernel issue
06:35<damiano>how can you say then that it's hardware...
06:35<damiano>well, yeah!
06:35<damiano>but that's the case! I just don't know what it is, just like you.
06:35<damiano>And yet, do you know everything about kernels?
06:35<eightyeight>so running a different version than 2.6.32 isn't going to help
06:35<damiano>anyways... i won't bother with that.
06:35<eightyeight>what make/model of cdrom?
06:36<damiano>oh really. Too bad i didn't try it out when i was experimenting with Ubuntu..
06:36<damiano>Samsung
06:36<damiano>erm..
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06:36<damiano>Debian doesn't say what it is
06:36<eightyeight># dmidecode | less
06:36<damiano>oh sorry
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06:37<OpenTokix>damiano: Also you have to use the old version for diskhandling and not the new, what is it named... - AHCI? That usually dont work.
06:37<eightyeight>ro
06:37<eightyeight>s/ro/or/
06:37<eightyeight># lspci
06:37<rbong>hey- you know in the debian install- you can select "install desktop utils" --- is there a way to replicate that with apt-get?
06:38<rbong>like apt-get install desktop or something?
06:38<damiano>AHCI?..
06:38<damiano>dunno.
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06:38<aracon>damiano: perhaps you should spend 20 bucks to get a new one since you got steadily problems with it
06:38<babilen>rbong: You can use taskselect or just install a gnome metapackage of your choice (/msg dpkg install gnome)
06:38<damiano>TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C
06:39<rbong>no - it doesn't install it the exact same as a "fresh install"
06:39<rbong>seriously- try it
06:39<OpenTokix>damiano: yes, AHCI - should be disabled
06:39<damiano>so? What does it explain?
06:39<damiano>alright.. i have another prob!
06:39<eightyeight>damiano: http://paulphilippov.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-to-fix-slow-boot-with-ata-errors.html
06:39<damiano>just forget about that damn drive
06:39<damiano>hmm..
06:40<damiano>daaamn
06:40<babilen>rbong: In particular you would want "tasksel install desktop" -- How does it differ?
06:40<nardev>hallo, i just upgraded evolution email client, problem is that looks of buttons and windows has changed, it's much less rounded now...how can i change that?
06:40<damiano>where have you been EARLIER
06:40<damiano>thanks
06:41<damiano>now... next prob
06:41<damiano>i've associated audio files with Audacious
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06:42<damiano>well... unlike other players it doesn't start another instance without ending the previous one. Like VLC. It restarts if clicked on another file
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06:42<damiano>BUT..
06:42<damiano>it launches another instance which only appears on the task bar attempting to run something, but then it just dissappears
06:42<damiano>how to fix that annoying thing?
06:43<eightyeight>i don't use audacious. sorry.
06:43<eightyeight>re your cdrom, another hit from google: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3116527.msg261166#msg261166
06:43<damiano>alright.
06:43<damiano>thank you
06:43<eightyeight>np
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06:44<damiano>actually it's not quite what i have here
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06:44<damiano>that would happen if i had a CD inside
06:44<damiano>but if empty i get no probs booting up
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06:44<eightyeight>ok
06:44<damiano>it's when i INSERT the disk when in OS already
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06:44<damiano>but maybe that thing will fix it up too
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06:48<damiano>alright.. reboot
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06:51<damiano>alright, back
06:51<damiano>no difference
06:51<damiano>but... i can tell you more actually
06:52<damiano>it's not the disk that cannot be identified or something..
06:52<damiano>it's something about the disk that makes it THINK for too long
06:52<damiano>when it gets stuck i can even remove the media from the drive
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06:52<damiano>and it still takes the same amount of time to get unfrozen
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06:52<damiano>and it gets identified BEFORE that happens
06:53<damiano>i mean i can open the disk and see the files before it gets stuck
06:53<damiano>that's exactly the story.
06:53<damiano>i can't tell you anything else.
06:53<damiano>and it doesn't happen to all the disks.
06:53<damiano>only to some.
06:53<damiano>i mean... not to disks.. but to my system because of them
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06:55<heikkila>I recognize the problem in that thread actually. I have a TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223L too.
06:55<damiano>you have the same thing??
06:55<damiano>like some disks make your system stuck for a while?
06:55<heikkila>More or less, yes.
06:55<damiano>are those mostly CDs?
06:56<damiano>or DVDs too?
06:56<heikkila>I think DVDs too, like commercial films.
06:56<damiano>i see.
06:56<damiano>so it's a hardware vs linux prob
06:56<damiano>well.. now at least i know where it's coming from.
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06:57<damiano>but it's a ridiculous prob.
06:57<heikkila>It seems like it hogs all the system.
06:57<damiano>yep
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06:57<damiano>you can't do anything till it gets undone
06:57<heikkila>Then I make quite a hard reboot back to bios, so I can eject the CD/DVD.
06:57<damiano>your desktop shows no icons and stuff
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06:58<damiano>hmm... well here it takes just a little while.. but still annoying
06:58<damiano>but i don't have to reset it
06:59<damiano>the thing is... there's something about those disks that make the system hang up... it's not that they cannot be read... i repeat, i can open the media BEFORE it gets stuck and open any files on it
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06:59<damiano>and also, that thing never happened in windows. With the same drive, with the same disks.
06:59<damiano>that's all from me.
07:00<damiano>i'd say.. poor linux compatibility with the drive/media questioned.
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07:00<damiano>nothing else.
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07:11<yhlfh>OpenTokix: you are using LVM to snapshot the whole root?
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07:11<OpenTokix>yhlfh: not right this minute, but I have done it.
07:12<yhlfh>OpenTokix: erh.. sorry. i mean you have successfully done before
07:12<OpenTokix>yhlfh: yes
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07:12<OpenTokix>yhlfh: mostly on virtual machines
07:13<yhlfh>OpenTokix: on virtual machines?
07:13<OpenTokix>yhlfh: yes
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07:13<OpenTokix>yhlfh: do you have some concrete problem, or are you making smalltalk?
07:14<yhlfh>OpenTokix: i want to know how to take snapshot for the whole system and boot to the snapshot.
07:15<OpenTokix>yhlfh: well, you make the snapshop, then switch to that root in the groop boot-line, I guess?
07:15<OpenTokix>yhlfh: but then again, I doubt you can write to the snapshot. - Why do you wanna do that?
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07:17<yhlfh>OpenTokix: because i learned about LVM, i learned that whatever you do to the snapshot, it won't harm the original Logic volume.
07:17<OpenTokix>yhlfh: correct
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07:19<mohan>help
07:19<yhlfh>OpenTokix: so i think if i can boot to the snapshot system and make any sort of test, if the snap system broke, i can rollback to the original system
07:19<mohan>hello everybody
07:19<loool> i have a problem , my /home partition if full ! , and my / file system contains like 30gb im using diskmanager is it safe to resize and shrink it while debian is loading ?
07:19<OpenTokix>yhlfh: yes, or you do a snapshot - then boot to the original system, and roll back from snapshot if it breaks
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07:20<OpenTokix>loool: you cant shrink the / if its mounted, safely
07:20<loool>so how can i use those 30gbs
07:20<gruetzkopf>just use a livecd like Debian Live or Gparted Live to do the Job
07:20<yhlfh>OpenTokix: so how can i boot to the snap system?
07:21<loool>okay thank you
07:22<yhlfh>OpenTokix: or, how to roll back from the snapshot?
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07:23<OpenTokix>yhlfh: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/LVM_Snapshot_Merging
07:23<yhlfh>OpenTokix: one method to recovery from a snapshot i learned is dd the snap to a file, and then dd the file to the LV you want to recover
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07:24<OpenTokix>yhlfh: yeah that works, but takes time. - Read the webpage I linked
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07:25<yhlfh>OpenTokix: is the method you provide works in debian squeeze?
07:26<OpenTokix>yhlfh: probably yes, since its normal lvm-commands.
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07:26<yhlfh>OpenTokix: but can i boot to the snapshot root?
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07:28<OpenTokix>yhlfh: What you should do is. - 1.Take a snapshot 2. use the machine - if you have problem - merge the nsapshot to the root and boot the fixed system.
07:28<OpenTokix>yhlfh: you should not boot to the snapshot
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07:29<yhlfh>OpenTokix: why not?
07:29<OpenTokix>yhlfh: because its ass-backwards way to do it.
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07:36<yhlfh>OpenTokix: if make changes in the snapshot system, rolling back is just booting to the original. why a so easy way a ass-backwards way?
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07:37<OpenTokix>yhlfh: sure, you can do it that way. But I can't see the reason for it. - Good luck
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07:40<yhlfh>OpenTokix: the reason is when i don't know whether an upgrade will harm the system, i can test it in the snapshot. if the upgrade sucks, i can easily roll back to the previous.
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07:41<OpenTokix>yhlfh: ok
07:41<OpenTokix>yhlfh: so you intend to boot to tsnapshot, run the upgrade, if it works you roll back to normal root and then do the upgrade again?
07:42<yhlfh>OpenTokix: right.
07:42<OpenTokix>yhlfh: so instead of having a reboot if the upgrade breaks, you will always reboot and fiddle everytime you upgrade?
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07:43<yhlfh>OpenTokix: not everytime. sometimes like upgrade from stable to testing, or testing to unstable.
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07:44<yhlfh>anyway, i just want to know if i will be able to boot to a snapshot system.
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07:45<OpenTokix>yhlfh: sounds to me like you are about to enter a world of hurt
07:45<yhlfh>for reasons why i want to do that, i don't want to argu
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07:48<yhlfh>i don't want to know if there's another way, i am just asking whether i can go through this way or not.
07:48<OpenTokix>yhlfh: well, try it
07:48<yhlfh>OpenTokix: so you haven't tried?
07:49<OpenTokix>yhlfh: I have done it the intended way, not the backwards fix idea way
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08:02<spacemouse>he got there in the end :)
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08:04<yhlfh>spacemouse: who got where?
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08:07<spacemouse>FragByte: first one was what's the minimum i need to do to be able to recover *should* any future apt/aptitude action lead me to a broke system.
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08:11<project2501a>erh, guys? running wheezy. what happened to man 3 malloc ?
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08:13<FragByte>project2501a, whats up with that ? works as intended on my machine
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08:13<project2501a>FragByte: not on mine :(
08:14<project2501a>and i got no clue as to why.
08:14<project2501a>it's a base system library, it should be there.
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08:16<FragByte>project2501a, the file should be in /usr/share/man/man3/malloc.3.gz
08:16<project2501a>let's see let's see
08:16<project2501a>the user hit me as if a brick
08:16<project2501a>i was working on something else and bam
08:16<project2501a>and i can't think straight
08:17<project2501a>nope. it's not.
08:18<project2501a>yup, manpages-dev was missing :#
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08:36<spacemouse>is it possible to remove evolution from gnome without too much bother or is it a core-component and advisable to not remove it?
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08:44<shivam>my pannel not shows sound volume button
08:45<FragByte>spacemouse, i dont thinks its possible and even if, i think its not worth the effort
08:46<spacemouse>FragByte: no problem. seems fairly tightly integrated into a lot of GNOME stuff so I guessed as much. I can always choose to not use it. Or use Xfce
08:46<shivam>wine is also not working
08:46<shivam>help
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08:56<Phoenix87>hallo
08:56<Phoenix87>i'm having a problem with a fresh installation of debian squeeze
08:56<Phoenix87>networkmanager connects to the router but i cannot ping it
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08:59<FragByte>Phoenix87, how do you connect to the network ? if it is wireless, did you make sure, wpa-key is correct ?
08:59<Phoenix87>i'm using wep
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08:59<Phoenix87>the icon near the clock shows pretty good signal level
08:59<FragByte>or wep for that matter, check if it is really correct, can you connect to the internet or any other machine on the network ?
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09:01<Phoenix87>FragByte, cable connection works fine. Today i have removed ubuntu in place of debian, so i have a bit of experience with wifi and stuff, but i can't figure this out
09:01<Phoenix87>everything seems fine
09:01<Phoenix87>access point is associated
09:01<Phoenix87>mac address is correct
09:01<Phoenix87>key is correct
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09:02<Phoenix87>can't ping the router nor any other machine on the network though
09:02<Phoenix87>and of course no web access
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09:04<ese>Squeeze system goes to Screen saver now and then after some mobile software install. any idea
09:04-!-mode/#debian [+l 484] by debhelper
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09:04<FragByte>i would still guess, that something is wrong with wep encryption as it matches the symptoms: your router accepts false wep encryptions but isolates it and does not accept any connections with this machine
09:05<FragByte>is the exact same behaviour my home router shows, when using wep (which you shouldnt by the way)
09:05<Phoenix87>but with ubuntu it used to work fine
09:05<Phoenix87>and i've been using the very same networkmanager
09:06<Phoenix87>maybe i'm missing something, because i had to install non-free firmware ipw2200 for the wifi card to work
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09:07<Phoenix87>i installed firmware-ipw2x00 and wireless-tools from repos
09:07<FragByte>does dmesg show you something about missing firmware ?
09:07<FragByte>I doubt that its missing firmware as you would not get any connection at all without it
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09:08<Phoenix87>uhm
09:08<Phoenix87>eth1 says no IPv6 routes present
09:08<FragByte>what is your routers wep authentication method, pre-shared key or open system authentication ?
09:08<Phoenix87>is IPv6 enabled by default on debian?
09:08<Phoenix87>open
09:09<FragByte>IPv6 is enabled by default in debian but rarely on current home routers, that should be fine
09:10<FragByte>check if your network-manager setup matches the used authentication method (open system) and does not use pre-shared key
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09:10<Phoenix87>done
09:10<Phoenix87>configuration looks fine
09:10<Phoenix87>the same i used on ubuntu
09:11<FragByte>and it does match the routers configuration ?
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09:11<Phoenix87>absolutely
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09:11<Phoenix87>i didn't change a thing in the router
09:11<FragByte>im running out of ideas ...
09:11<Phoenix87>just formatted the ubuntu partition in order to install debian
09:11<bureau1028>bonjour
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09:12<ese>Squeeze goes to Screen saver now and then after some software install. plz help.
09:12<FragByte>Phoenix87, do you get an ip-address ?
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09:12<Phoenix87>yep
09:13<Phoenix87>i manually configure that
09:13<FragByte>does dhcp also work ?
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09:13<Phoenix87>dhcp doesn't work either
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09:14<FragByte>then i would clearly say, that this is some kind of encryption problem, though you configuration is correct
09:15<FragByte>could you pastebin syslog output from networkmanager (without your keys of course)
09:15<Shiupelis>Hi, I'm new in IRC. I was wondering, that IRC is not using anymore :D
09:15<ese>FragByte: Squeeze goes to Screen saver now and then after some software install. plz help.
09:17<Shiupelis>In this chanel i can ask questions about my Xubuntu system ? :)
09:17<ese>I had to click on the keyboard to get it back. Not with mouse or touchpad.
09:17<FragByte>ese, sry, i am leaving in a couple of minutes, just trying to get Phoenix87 connected as fast as i can and then im off, really sorry
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09:17<Phoenix87>FragByte, i'll try with syslog thnx
09:17<ese>FragByte: its ok.
09:18<Shiupelis>Hello ?
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09:19<Shiupelis>Any one see my messages ?
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09:19<gsimmons>dpkg: otherchannel Shiupelis #xubuntu irc.freenode.net
09:19<FragByte>Shiupelis, unlikely, try a ubuntu channel
09:19<dpkg>Shiupelis: The channel you are looking for is #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #xubuntu. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#xubuntu
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09:20<ese>dpkg: could you please look to my case.
09:20<dpkg>ese: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
09:20<Phoenix87>FragByte, last line says associated -> completed
09:21<ese>dpkg: I couldn't stop this thing with the normal screen saver dialogue.
09:21<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ese
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09:23<ese>dpkg: what do you mean. please clarify me "unparseable".
09:23<dpkg>ese: I don't know, could you explain it?
09:23<FragByte>ese, dpkg is a bot
09:23<FragByte>try the xubuntu channel it has told you about
09:24<ese>FragByte: you mean some kind of auto reply?
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09:27<FragByte>Phoenix87, well that does not necessarily mean, that it does work. as i have said, you can connect with wrong wep credentials but dont get to connect to anything
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09:27<Phoenix87>i see but i double checked my credentials and they are correct
09:28<Phoenix87>:(
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09:28<FragByte>Phoenix87, maybe it is not your fault but has something to do with network manager, i dont know and sadly i have to leave now, good luck nonetheless
09:29<Phoenix87>ok thank you for your time FragByte ^^
09:29<FragByte>no problem
09:29<FragByte>bye
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09:30<ese>Phoenix87: could you please look to my case.
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09:31<Phoenix87>ese i would if i could. i have installed debian for the first time today ^^
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09:32<ese>Phoenix87: but i think the problem lies with the X thing.
09:32<Phoenix87>try disabling the screen saver
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09:34<Jacob1>Hey Guys. i normally dont have this issue. but today i just cant for my life of it burn the iso's so they work. the md5sum is correct, but non of the debian iso's mount!?!? all other iso's i downloaded (for testing if my computer is f*cked worked)
09:34<ese>Phenix87: I have disabled the screen saver but no luck. What other things should I check.
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09:38<MrFrood>Jacob1: what iso are you downloading?
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09:39<Bushmills>and how are you burning the debian iso?
09:39<Jacob1>i tryed both debian-6.0.3-i386-businesscard.iso and the net inst
09:39<Jacob1>yeah i burned it to a cd-rom
09:39<Jacob1>but i tryed both mac and pc
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09:42<ese>Bushmills: Squeeze goes to Screen saver now and then after some software install. plz help.
09:43<Bushmills>disable screensaver to prevent screensaver?
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09:43<project2501a>who the f decided that eclipse is a good ide?
09:44<Jacob1>now i tryed the testing iso as well... i have no idea what is going on here
09:44<Bushmills>that's a poll?
09:44<MrFrood>ese: run the command 'xscreensaver-demo' to change the settings
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09:46<MrFrood>Jacob1: have you managed to burn working iso's before?
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09:46<Jacob1>yes...
09:46<ese>MrFrood: It says 'command not found'. Do I have to install it.
09:46<Jacob1>even used usb's
09:47<MrFrood>ese: it sould be part of xscreensaver
09:47<ese>MrFrood: Well, I have tried it even with sudo, no way.
09:48<ese>MrFrood: what should i do then.
09:48<MrFrood>ese: is it a screensaver or the screen going blank
09:49<ese>MrFrood: I don't think its the screen saver issue from start.
09:49<ese>MrFrood: it has started when I installed softwares from the repos
09:50<ese>MrFrood: Now when the system goes to screen saver, it only works by pressing any keyboard. No mouse or touchpad.
09:50<MrFrood>ese: read the following and rhen ask your Q again
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09:50<MrFrood>!ask
09:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:51<TitusPullo>Salut.
09:51<MrFrood>because I think we are somewhat unclear as to your exact issue
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09:53<ese>well, i am running sqeeze updating it daily, my system goes to screen saver just in a minute whenever i leave the keyboard. this has happened after installing some pkgs related to mobile thing.
09:54<MrFrood>ese: define screensaver
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09:55<ese>well, my screen goes blank. but when i press the keyboard it comes back
09:55<ese>But it doesn't work through mouse or touch pad moving/clicking.
09:55<romka>всем привет
09:55<MrFrood>ese: does your ponitor power down to standby mode?
09:56<romka>!help
09:56<ese>No, It is set to "never"
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09:56<MrFrood>!ru
09:56<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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09:56<romka> #debian-russian
09:56<romka>#debian-russian
09:57<MrFrood>romka: /join #debian-russian
09:57<romka>ok
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09:57<ese>also the option "activate screen saver when computer is idle" is not checked.
09:58<romka>thank you
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09:59<Jacob1>ok - i found out that the mac doesnt seem to register it as downloaded... anyone here uses mac book pro and debian?
10:00<weasel>that's because "the mac" is not a hardware architecture
10:00<MrFrood>!blanking
10:00<dpkg>You can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If the console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config.
10:00<MrFrood>ese: ^^^
10:00<Jacob1>weasel: i can mount other linux iso no problem!?
10:00<weasel>yes, no, maybe, who knows.
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10:01<weasel>Jacob1: (that question doesn't make a lot of sense)
10:01<weasel>if it is a question at all
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10:02<Jacob1>uh? my question is if anyone here is using debian on a mac book pro. dual booting. and if anyone has encountereded the same problem as me. not being able to mount debian iso in os x
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10:03<weasel>which iso have you tried?
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10:03<Jacob1>the testing-i386, the 6.0.3-i386-business card and the netinstall
10:03<ese>MrFrood: also for your info, one of the pkgs i installed used to lock the screen when the bluetooth distance is not detected on the mobile. But i uninstalled it.
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10:04<weasel>Jacob1: you you tried booting them?
10:04<ese>I had set the 'setterm -blank' in konsole and will see if it works.
10:04<Jacob1>yes... it did'nt boot
10:04<weasel>what kind of mac book pro?
10:04<weasel>('mac book pro' also isn't an architecture)
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10:05<Jacob1>2,5 intel core 2 duo, running os x 10.5.8 its from 2009
10:05<weasel>have you read http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Double_boot_-_Mac_OS_X_.26_Debian?
10:05<weasel>erm
10:05<weasel>just http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
10:06<ese>I had set the 'setterm -blank' didn't work for me.
10:06<Jacob1>yes. and i am trying to tripple boot it... i have made it so far and win xp is running...
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10:06<Jacob1>im have this one
10:06<Jacob1>http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook5,2: 2009 MacBook, white, core2duo, wlan is Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.38.27), graphics is nVidia
10:07<Jacob1>is says it should be able to install when using rEFIt which i have working..
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10:08<Jacob1>so since i have that mac.. should i not be able to even mount the debian iso?
10:08<Jacob1>even in os x?
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10:08<weasel>haven't had a mac in a while. if you have verified that you downloaded cd (or dvd) 1 correctly and its checksum match then maybe ask on a mailinglist. you're not doing anything obviously wrong :)
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10:08<weasel>I don't know why you can't mount it. I don't see why you shouldn't
10:08<Jacob1>hmm... thanks.. i checked the checksum and it is downloading correctly...
10:09<Jacob1>me neither... strange...
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10:09<Jacob1>well... i have promissed my self this is my last mac ;)
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10:10<Jacob1>well. thanks weasel... ill try mailing list... or maybe go with ubuntu... (since that mounts and boots fine?!)
10:10<Jacob1>strangely enough
10:10<weasel>weird
10:10<Jacob1>very
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10:12<Jacob1>the linux on a mac sites suggests compiling own kernel... i never tryed that before... maybe that is the way ;)
10:12<Jacob1>it will need some coffee though :P
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10:24<Bushmills>ese, try xset -dpms
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11:04<ese>Bushmills: I had set the 'xset -dpms' still didn't work for me.
11:05<ese>Bushmills: Do I have to login and logout
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11:10<ese>my squeeze system going to blank screen saver with no change in screen saver. please help.
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11:14<MrFrood>ese: we think your issue is with the blanking. Perhaps you should ask for help on the debian-users mail list
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11:17<ese>MrFrood: thanks for suggesting that. Do you think any logs to check or submit to you before that.
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11:18<vrkalak>ese: or check the Power Monitor for power-off time-adjustment
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11:19<MrFrood>just explain your problem as clearly as you can in your first post there, if nyone needs more info they will ask
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11:20<MrFrood>vrkalak: he tried xset -dpms
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11:21<vrkalak>only trying to cover all the bases
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11:23<ese>vrkalak: yes, i did try that but no show up.
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11:28<ese>MrFrood: thanks a lot for your cooperation.
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11:43<Thump>Hi! I've got squeeze installed, is there any way to get xz-utils updated to the last stable version 5.0.3? I've found only 5.0.0 or alpha/beta versions available in debian repositories.
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11:49<melmothX>Thump: can I ask why you need that version?
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11:51<Thump>melmothX: It's a depency for building another software :(
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11:52<melmothX>that's weird. That exact version?
11:53<melmothX>if you need >= 5.0.3 you could backport from wheezy /msg dpkg ssb
11:54<Thump>melmothX: I'm not sure if 5.0.0 will not work, it's just tested by developers. I've found only alpha in backports.
11:54<melmothX>alpha 5.1.1 :-)
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11:55<melmothX>if it's in testing is resonably good for you to use
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11:57<Thump>melmothX: but if there are presents any depencies it seems for me that I'll need to upgrade a lot of software, did I get it?
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11:58<melmothX>try to build it, with the instructions of dpkg and see
12:00<Thump>melmothX: thanks, I'll try. Just didn't want to get alpha. Very strange gap of versions.
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12:04<sney>!checkbackport xz-utils
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12:04<sney>er.
12:04<sney>,checkbackport xz-utils
12:04<judd>Backporting package xz-utils in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports.
12:05<sney>Thump: ^ the above means it should work with little difficulty. as for the version gaps, the debian changelog probably has some kind of explanation
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12:10<Thump>sney: Thanks, I'm not an experienced user, so I've never tried to get packages from sid to stable.
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12:11<sney>the ssb process is pretty straightforward, as long as you follow the instructions it's painless
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12:12<henry_>?
12:13<henry_>hi
12:13<henry_>is anybody there>?
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12:13<melmothX>henry_: nope
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12:13<henry_>?
12:13<henry_>hi
12:13<henry_>mel
12:13<dvorak>Can someone please help me with a networking question on debian 6?
12:13<henry_>@mel
12:14<henry_>dvorak
12:14<henry_>what happened?
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12:14<dvorak>Am I talking now in private?
12:15<amphi>dvorak: you're in #debian channel
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12:16<henry_>I dont no
12:16<henry_>I t's my first time to come here
12:16<henry_>never use it before
12:16<weasel>!enter
12:16<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
12:17<dvorak>I'm trying to change the mac address permanently on debian 6 on eth1. Can some guide me on how to do that?
12:17<henry_>with terminal ?
12:17<weasel>dvorak: are you bringing up eth1 by having it configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
12:17<dvorak>Yes, no GUI.
12:17<henry_>or XWindow?
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12:18<weasel>dvorak: set the mac address using a pre-up command in the appropirate iface stanza
12:18<dvorak>Let me show you how eth1 is configured in /etc/network/interfaces
12:18<weasel>!paste
12:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
12:19<dvorak>oh
12:19<dvorak>sorry
12:19<dvorak>ok
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12:19<balaji>hai
12:20<balaji>is there anybady ?
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12:21<balaji>hai
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12:22<dvorak>ok, this is the url of the configuration for eth1 in interfaces
12:22<dvorak>http://pastebin.com/CuEgcCeU
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12:22<weasel>dvorak: hwaddress?
12:23<weasel>dvorak: I don't think that is what you think it is.
12:23<dvorak>I hardly think it's something... I googled it and that's what I've stumbled upon.
12:24<weasel>you probably just want a pre-up ip link set $IFACE address $mac
12:24<weasel>as I told you before.
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12:24<dvorak>Great... what's pre-up and how can I use it to change the mac address?
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12:25<weasel>I suggest you learn to read what I say.
12:26<dvorak>I'm sorry. I can't quite understand what you mean. There is a variable called $mac I can modify?
12:26<weasel>no.
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12:26<weasel>but there is a pre-up that you can use in network/interfaces.
12:26<weasel>and you can run commands with it.
12:26<weasel>commands like the ip command.
12:27<dvorak>So you mean there's some kind of package that contains commands that change the ip address, mac address etc. without having me changing the contents of a file?
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12:28<weasel>man ip
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12:28<weasel>(man ifconfig, man route if you like the old ones)
12:28<Thump>dvorak: I've created the "changemac" file in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
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12:30<Thump>the content is ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1b:11:9d:db:67
12:30<dvorak>I believe that ifconfig does not make permanent changes to those data.
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12:30<weasel>no.
12:30<dvorak>I would like to permanently change the mac address.
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12:30<weasel>that's why you have a command in network interfaces that gets run when you bring up the interfaces
12:30<weasel>can't do that. but you can have the command run to change it every time you bring up the interface
12:31<weasel>which is probably good enough
12:31<weasel>(and don't use ifconfig)
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12:31<dvorak>So you're saying that I should add that command to a script that runs when interface starts?
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12:32<weasel>Sat 18:24:06 <weasel> you probably just want a pre-up ip link set $IFACE address $mac
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12:33<tk81>wow
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12:43<dvorak>So I sould have a script containing the command "ip link set $IFACE address $mac_address" run when the network starts?
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12:43<weasel> it need not be a script.
12:44<weasel>just add the line I gave you and replace $mac with what you want it to
12:44<dvorak>In the interface file?
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12:44<weasel>YES
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12:45<dvorak>Thanks. Please excuse my lack of knowledge, I'm a beginner in this field. I'm just learning how Debian works.
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12:46<wozza__>or put in it the pre-up part of the "interfaces" file
12:47<jhutchins>dvorak: You might take a few moments and read through the interfaces man page. It won't tell you everything, but it'll plant things in your head that will get connected to other ideas later.
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12:49<zeus>hi, how can i remove suid (?) from a directory ? if i type ls -lah it's drwx--S--- and i want drwxrwxrwx?
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12:50<weasel>that's not suid, that's sgid
12:50<wozza__>dvorak udev may also assign a new eth+ so check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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12:50<zeus>weasel: mmm ... how can i remove it ?
12:51<weasel>chmod g-s? but why would you want to do that?
12:51<weasel>g+s on dirs is usually a good thing.
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12:53<zeus>weasel: those files cam from a corrupted hd i have to backup them (a simple cp will be ok). So i do not want suid/sgid. those are all jpg files and there is no reason to use suid or sgid
12:53<zeus>weasel: do you agree ?
12:53<weasel>no
12:53<zeus>why ?
12:53<weasel>we are talking about sgid on dirs, not files.
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12:55<zeus>weasel: mmm ... why shoul i have to use (better to say keep) sgid on those dirs ? I'm the only user of my pc
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13:09<roberto>ciaoù
13:09<roberto>qualcuno mi aiuta con Muse
13:10<roberto>??
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13:10<grove>!it
13:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:11<Thump>I can't update xz-utils. "apt-get -b source xz-utils" fails but I can't print all the logs to file. Seems some problems with compilation.
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13:15<roberto>help for Muse
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13:16<light>help for Muse?
13:16<light>what?
13:17<roberto>muse failed to found jack audio server
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13:24<light>what software package should one use to combine parts of a video file into one file? like what's the recommended one?
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13:30<jhutchins>light: Depends on the format. I've used avidemux which is a full blown editor.
13:30<jhutchins>light: Sometimes you can just append the files.
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13:59<light>thank you jhutchins
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14:01<Thump>I'm trying to update xz-utils from 5.0.0 to the latest available for sid. I've read and completed commands from ssb but it failed. I'm sorry, I've got the russian localization so some error messages are non-english. The error is on the "apt-get -b source xz-utils" step and here is the log: http://wikisend.com/download/491638/xz-utils-update.log (file is too big for pastie-services)
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14:12<melmothX>Thump: please use a regular pastebin
14:12<Thump>melmothX: the log file is >700 KB
14:13<melmothX>paste only the relevant portion
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14:17<systemclient>[sid]: I installed default-jdk but I have no `javac`. Any reason for this?
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14:18<Thump>melmothX: I'm sorry, but I can't identify relevant portion. Some last part is here: http://paste.debian.net/147109/
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14:21<melmothX>Thump: general rule: don't use root where is not needed (as in this case). For this specific error, no idea
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14:23<Thump>melmothX: thanks. are there any other ways to get a new version of xz? The only way for me is to compile it from sources from official web-site?
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14:38<anbe>Thump, this is a multiarch issue, the xz packaging has been switched to multiarch, and does not gracefully fall back to pre-multiarch - eventually ask for a backport on the backports mailing list
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14:40<Thump>anbe: thanks
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14:53<mouse->what is software RAID like in Debian? Any good?
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14:57<mouse->trying to decide which is better over mdadm v lvm mirroring. :-S anyone with experience of either?
15:00<XeonBloomfield>mouse-: I prefer mdadm
15:01<XeonBloomfield>mouse-: It provides me great performance with redundancy
15:02<valdyn>mouse-: I dont see lvm having the tools and support required to gracefully deal with failure of a mirror
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15:03<kenyon>RAID1 on my Debian squeeze system is great. very good performance
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15:04<valdyn>mouse-: for the most part lvm is designed for underlying storage not failing while mdadm raid1 is designed to deal with failure of underlying storage
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15:05<valdyn>mouse-: check out answers on serverfault.com or segfault.org or similar sites
15:05<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: remember about raid 10 ;)
15:06<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: great performance + redundancy
15:06<kenyon>systemclient: you should have javac, as long as default-jdk installed openjdk-6-jdk properly.
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15:07<mouse->valdyn: ok cool. well it's just i have a brand new server and it has two 250GB drives and i'm not sure what kind of HA setup I could do.. don't have a raid card.. and don't have the money for one, so was looking at options
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15:07<valdyn>mouse-: not segfault.org, I meant stackoverflow.com
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15:08<valdyn>mouse-: mdadm raid is the only serious option
15:08<mouse->i can't decide whether to mirror or raid the second drive or do nothing with it, use lvm snapshots and just use it as a backup volume.
15:08<mouse->valdyn: ok thanks :))
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15:09<mouse->XeonBloomfield: looks like mdadm it is then !
15:09<valdyn>mouse-: lvm is still a good thing to be on top of that mdadm raid
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15:10<valdyn>mouse-: but lvm mirroring is probably more suitable to clone some storage than for HA
15:10<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: do you think that is really necessary?
15:10<mouse->or what else could i do with that configuration? the hosting company also provided me with a Storage VPS which is basically just a small VM (128MB RAM) with lots of disk (relatively) 50GB. and with good connectivity to the physical host i bought
15:10<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: that what is necessary?
15:10<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: lvm over raid
15:10<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: no, not necessary, but it has features that you dont get otherwise
15:11<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: but looking at all mdadm has options to provide really good HA option of storage data on disks
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15:12<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: lvm is not for HA as I said, it has a different feature set
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15:12<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: mdadm and lvm features stack up nicely
15:12<kenyon>!lvm
15:12<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
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15:13<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: I think that lvm is really not needed
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15:14<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: lvm offers some features that you dont get otherwise
15:14<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: it has features which mdadm has not, but in overall use mdadm provide enough
15:14<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: so its needed, by whoever needs those features
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15:14<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: finally mdadm provides logical partition /dev/mdX which you can use like you want
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15:15<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: for HA and performance - I suggest mdadm
15:15<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: people which need LVM can use it over mdadm logical partitions ;)
15:16<valdyn>XeonBloomfield: its not an alternative to mdadm i never said that, its stackable
15:16<XeonBloomfield>valdyn: like on partitions direct from disk
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15:17<mouse-_>sorry if anyone replied.. i lagged out then it said channel full
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15:17<mouse-_>and if anything important was said, could you say it again? :))
15:18<XeonBloomfield>mouse-_: Use mdadm for HA and speed, if you need to use LVM over mdadm raid, because it is stackable
15:18<XeonBloomfield>if you need to use LVM, use it over mdadm raid*
15:18<mouse-_>i take it mdadm isn't something i can setup using the Debian installer.. so.. what's the best approach with doing an install?
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15:19<mouse-_>i'll do lvm over mdadm since i do like lvm. i've already used it to save my arse twice today :)
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15:19<mouse-_>by save my arse i actually mean save me having to setup a symlink farm.. pain pain
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15:19<valdyn>mouse-_: i dont know the installer, but afaik it does support mdadm raid1
15:20<mouse-_>valdyn: that's superb if it does. brilliant! :)
15:20<valdyn>mouse-_: recipes for converting to raids or between raids are in the mdadm documentation
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15:21<mouse-_>i have what i need now.. i can go look at howtos and such like on the web now. just wanted to make sure i was making best use of the 2x250GB drives i have. i already have offsite backups.. i just want resiliance against hardware failure
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15:21<mouse-_>if I wanted to run a debian mirror, how much bandwidth would i need a month?
15:22<mouse-_>i know that's a bit of a hard question to answer but what does a typical busy mirror usually get hit by?
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15:28<Phoenix87>i'm having some problems with my wifi
15:28<Phoenix87>the access point is associated but i cannot ping the router
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15:29<Bushmills>Phoenix87: check route and interfaces
15:29<Phoenix87>any ideas?
15:29<Phoenix87>router is fine
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15:29<Phoenix87>everything was fine with ubuntu
15:29<Phoenix87>today i removed ubuntu and installed debian
15:30<Phoenix87>but the very same settings in network manager don't work on debian
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15:30<Bushmills>have you checked route and interfaces by now?
15:30<Phoenix87>yep
15:30<Phoenix87>they're fine
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15:31<Phoenix87>access point is associated
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15:31<Phoenix87>cable connection works fine on that machine
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15:32<mouse-_>how to open .jnlp files on debian? in Chrome or Icesweasel is just opens up gedit. do i need some java jdk or something?
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15:35<kenyon>mouse-_: you need a Java runtime environment, but not the development kit.
15:35<mouse-_>kenyon: i'm sure i already have this. icedtea plugin?
15:35<Phoenix87>any ideas?
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15:36<kenyon>mouse-_: yes
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15:36<mouse-_>kenyon: hmm.i i guess i could always just look in the .jnlp XML file, locate the URL for the .jar file, wget it and then just use java -jar blah.jar. But how come it just doesn't work?
15:37<kenyon>mouse-_: probably. your browser need to be set up to open the jnlp mime type with the java web start thing
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15:42<mouse-_>kenyon: did it from the command line instead. when in doubt, do it the console way oh yeah!
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15:46<mouse-_>'some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files....' what is bnx2 used for? can i safely just install this post install once apt is setup or will the install fail if i ignore it now?
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15:48<kenyon>!bnx2
15:48<dpkg>bnx2 is the in-tree Linux driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>.
15:48<mouse-_>kenyon: thanks. (cool bot BTW)
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15:50<mouse-_>is there a debian installer that already includes this firmware?
15:51<mouse-_>because i've got no way to load it up via USB... it's in a data centre in Vienna!
15:52<mouse-_>!installer bnx2
15:53<Phoenix87>nvm solved
15:53<Phoenix87>need do modify /etc/network/interfaces to haveonly two lines
15:53<Phoenix87>*to
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15:58<dvorak>Hi! I have a question regarding Debian networking.
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16:00<dvorak>Can anyone help me on an issue I'm having with the /etc/network/interfaces file?
16:01<kenyon>!ask
16:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:01<tiger77>Hello to all of you in here. I have a problem with a USB Harddrive. When i plug it in the computer can't find and open it. Is there anyone who can help me with that issue?
16:02<kenyon>!pmount
16:02<dpkg>pmount ("policy mount") is an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks; e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1 (no superuser requirement, no need to create a mount point). You will need to be in the <plugdev> group, but you'll know that from reading /usr/share/doc/pmount/README.Debian.
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16:02<dvorak>I wonder what types of commands can I run in the interfaces file.
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16:04<kenyon>!tell dvorak about interfaces
16:04<dvorak>Because some commands seem to run in the interfaces file and some commands don't run.
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16:04<kenyon>dvorak: you mean in the up and down lines? you can run anything
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16:05<dvorak>Well, unfortunately I tried and nothing happens when I take the respective network down.
16:05<CdK1>hi *
16:05<CdK1>any idea of install gnome 2 in debian testing?
16:06<dvorak>Do I need to specify the name of the network after the up/down command?
16:06<mouse-_>okay. I'm stuck. i need the bnx firmware to install debian and it's a remote install. i can attach teh remote machine to a local iso so here's what I did.. (and failed) .. i grabbed the bnx firmware and made my own iso called firmware.iso. i then told the setup to search removable drives. i take it i can't do it like this?
16:06<dvorak>I mean the name of the interface
16:06<aracon>CdK1: i think there's only gnome3
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16:07<CdK1>ok aracon :(
16:07<aracon>,version gnome
16:07<judd>Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+5; wheezy: 1:3.0+5
16:08<aracon>CdK1: yeah, i think a lot of people are missing gnome2
16:08<kenyon>dvorak: no, the up/down command just has to be part of the iface stanza you want it to apply to
16:08<CdK1>I have problem with ati radeon hd 6310
16:08<aracon>there's a gnome2 fork called "mate" but i think that this won't be a proper replacement for g2
16:08<CdK1>very slow glxgear
16:09<kenyon>dvorak: use the channel
16:09<CdK1>mmm
16:09<dvorak>Sorry, I've been instructed by dpkg in private and I thought you requested the same thing...
16:09<CdK1>so kde :D
16:09<dvorak> Here is the configuration on the interface I'm interested in in the interfaces file. This text is appended to the original interfaces content. http://pastebin.com/6bMyj26f
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16:10<kenyon>!tell dvorak about private
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16:10<kenyon>dvorak: how are you testing?
16:10<dvorak>I'm taking the respective interface down.
16:11<kenyon>dvorak: what exact command
16:11<dvorak>ifconfig eth1 down
16:11<dvorak>and back up ifconfig eth1 up
16:11<kenyon>dvorak: that doesn't run anything in interfaces file
16:11<mouse-_>oh the bnx firmware needs to be in a tarball to be found by the installer?
16:11<aracon>CdK1: kde isn't that bad ... so what about your radeon problem? are you using the radeon/radeonhd driver or fglrx?
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16:12<dvorak>Doesn't the interfaces file test when interface goes down and executes the command listed within?
16:12<kenyon>dvorak: ifconfig has nothing to do with that though
16:12<kenyon>!tell dvorak about ifupdown
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16:14<CdK1>fglrx
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16:18<aracon>mhmm have you tried radeon/radeonhd?
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16:18<tiger77>How can i open my USB flash drive when my computer can't find it?
16:19<CdK1>yes
16:19<CdK1>but not aceleration 3d
16:22<cahoot>tiger77, no sign of recognition in dmesg?
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16:23<tiger77>Cahoot: in what (dmesg)?? I put it in the usb port and nothing happens at all
16:24<cahoot>!dmesg
16:24<dpkg>dmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents.
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16:25<cahoot>plug in the usb thing and run dmesg in a terminal, read the last 10 or so lines
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16:26<mouse-_>some messages that whizz past on boot are not recordable for later review even by enabling boot logging. is there any way to grab them?
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16:27<tiger77>and where do i find this dmesg and what do i have to do? I have never used terminal 'couse what do it do, i don't trust things i can't understand how works
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16:28<cahoot>well you seem to run linux without much understanding so .... Anyway open a terminal an run the command dmesg - it will show you messages from the kernel - no risk for you
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16:30<kop>tiger77: It's good not to trust though. You can read the man page for dmesg and understand what you're running before running it. (Although starting from nothing, it can take you a long time to get support that way.)
16:31<tiger77>I must say, i have never programmed any thing before. I have always used Windows just resently i begun running Linux.
16:31<cahoot>tiger77, also you can safely count on anyone giving harmful advice here would be kicked pronto
16:31<tiger77>I meen when i don't understand terminal, people can send me a code to destroy my computer without my knowing
16:33<tiger77>I know but i feel more safe when i know the differente programs
16:33<cahoot>tiger77, well some degree of trust is needed if you want to use irc for help - else just google and read
16:34<Sicelo>which can't be trusted 100% too. ;)
16:34<cahoot>in that case stick to MS
16:34<tiger77>that will say i should open terminal type in dmesg and press enter then
16:35<cahoot>yes
16:35<tiger77>okay i try that
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16:38<tiger77>This is what it said in the last line though: Attached SCSI removable disk
16:39<cahoot>some lines above - sdd or such is mentioned too?
16:39<dvorak>Ok, I think I have figured it out. The interfaces file only responds when ifup and ifdown commands are given. I tried ifdown eth1 and it said that it's not configured... Then I tried using the --force option and it executed successfully the down command in the interfaces file, but then it stated: SIOCDELRT: No such process. Now, when I try to run ifup command it says "SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy - you may need to down the interface". Can anyone g
16:39<dvorak>ive me a hint on why this may be happening?
16:40<kenyon>!tell mouse-_ about bootlog
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16:42<compgrokker>mouse-_: the boot messages will be in dmesg and /var/log/syslog
16:42<compgrokker>mouse-_: depending on what point during boot they happen
16:42<kenyon>dvorak: you have messed up the state due to using ifconfig, which ifupdown doesn't monitor
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16:43<dvorak>Can you tell me how to reset it?
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16:44<terid>hello?
16:44<terid>:)
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16:45<ada>hi
16:45<kenyon>dvorak: force it down, remove the eth1 line from /etc/network/run/ifstate, then ifup eth1
16:45<terid>i have a strange error. i boot debian and the console doesnt show on screen, its just black. but i type my username then pass then type startx and the x window will display. any ideas?
16:45<ada>i can't write iso9660
16:46<ada>i use k3b
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16:46<ada>i need help
16:47<dvorak>kenyon: ifstate has only one line: "lo=lo"
16:48<kenyon>dvorak: ok, try just ifdown eth1 and then ifup eth1
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16:49<tiger77>Cahoot: A can't seem to find any sdd. 1663.363361] scsi4 : usb-storage 1-1:1.0
16:49<tiger77>[ 1664.362009] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk Cruzer 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
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16:49<ada>is there any one to help me?
16:49<kenyon>!ask
16:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:50<ada>k3b cant write iso9660
16:50<kenyon>well, k3b can write to CDs
16:50<ada>how can i write iso to dvd+r
16:50<kenyon>use k3b
16:51<ada>error giving
16:51<kenyon>!errors
16:51<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
16:51<ada>cant open new session
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16:52<ada>Devices
16:52<ada>-----------------------
16:52<ada>MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ141EL 1.00 (/dev/sr0, CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD-R Çift Katman, BD-ROM, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R Çift Katman) [DVD-ROM, DVD-R Sıralı, DVD-R Çift Katman Sıralı, DVD-RAM, DVD-RW Kısıtlanmış Üzerine Yazma, DVD-RW Sıralı, DVD+RW, DVD+R, DVD-R Çift Katman, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, BD-ROM] [SAO, TAO, RAW, RAW/R16, RAW/R96P, RAW/R96R, Sınırlandırılmış Yeniden Yazma] [%7]
16:52<ada>System
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16:53<terid>anyone know why my console would not display on boot?
16:53<terid>it works i just cant see it
16:53<dvorak>kenyon: If I type ifdown eth1 it says "ifdown: interface eth1 not configured" (and the down commands in interfaces are not run). If I try typing ifdown --force eth1 it runs the commands in interfaces and it displays "SIOCDELRT: No such process". If I try to run ifup eth1 or ifup --force eth1, it does nothing from the interfaces file and displays "SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy - you may need to down the interface
16:53<dvorak>Failed to bring up eth1".
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16:53<ada>sorry
16:53<dondelelcaro>dvorak: what does ifconfig -a; or ip link; say?
16:54<ada>i lost my internet connection
16:54<ada>k3b
16:54<dondelelcaro>ada: you were just kicked from the channel; best to use a paste site to paste output
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16:55<ada>Using generic SCSI-3/mmc DVD-R(W) driver (mmc_mdvd).
16:55<mouse-_>i had to abort my shiny new server install :(
16:55<ada> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), reserve track scsi sendcmd: no error
16:55<ada>CDB: 53 00 00 00 00 00 0F E9 C2 00
16:55<ada>status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
16:56<tiger77>Cahoot: Are you there?
16:56<dvorak>dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/147119/
16:56<mouse-_>kenyon: thank's for the msg (via bot) but what about the message that flash past that AREN'T written to boot.log but are displayed on the VT on boot?
16:56<dondelelcaro>dvorak: what is eth1 supposed to be?
16:56<dondelelcaro>dvorak: because it doesn't look like a real ethernet device
16:56<dvorak>It is not. It's a virtual machine.
16:57<kenyon>mouse-_: those should be in dmesg
16:58<ada>is there any one
16:58<dondelelcaro>dvorak: so is eth0 your physical interface? anyway, ip link set dev eth1 up; should work. If it doesn't, then there's some issue with eth1
16:59<ada>i need help please
16:59<mouse-_>kenyon: i get some messages from udevd about some rules which are incorrect. this is on boot. they're neither recorded to syslog, boot or dmesg :-S
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17:00<Some_Person>Is anyone here familiar with PPTP VPNs? I'm trying to set one up on a VPS
17:00<kenyon>mouse-_: I'd consider that a bug
17:00<Sicelo>tiger77: he asked to know if there's also a line with sdX, eg sdd
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17:01<mouse-_>kenyon: ah OK. in that case I'll report it :))
17:01<dvorak>dondelelcaro: I ran that comand, but unfortunately ifup and ifdown still don't work properly.
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17:01<kenyon>dvorak: but doing ip link set dev eth1 up won't fix your ifupdown state. rebooting would probably fix that easiest.
17:02<tiger77>Sicelo: Okay i try and look then
17:02<dondelelcaro>dvorak: right, it won't, but does eth1 change state properly and come up?
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17:02<dondelelcaro>dvorak: the SIOCSIFHWADDR you are getting aren't from ifup/down but from the ioctl commands used to bring up and down the interface failing
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17:03<Some_Person>Can anybody help me with setting up a PPTP VPN?
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17:04<kenyon>Some_Person: why not just use openvpn?
17:04<dvorak>Yes... That wasn't the problem though... I could have done that with ifconfig. The problem is that I'm trying to run some commands when that network comes up or down... For example, logging that activity somewhere. Ifup/ifdown seem to do those things, but they don't execute.
17:04<Some_Person>kenoby: because PPTP is easier to deal with on the client end (especially on Windows)
17:05<dondelelcaro>dvorak: ifup/down won't execute the commands if bringing the interface up or down fails
17:06<dondelelcaro>unless they're pre-up or post-up commands
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17:07<dondelelcaro>dvorak: so after you've brought the link up, what does ip link; say? and if you then run ip link set dev eth1 down; does it properly go down? are you able to run ifup eth1; then?
17:07<dondelelcaro>dvorak: what is the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces; file? what exactly is eth1?
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17:10<tiger77>Sicelo: After what i can find there are no lines with those
17:10<dvorak>dondelelcaro: id does not say anything. It seems to work, but I want it to work AND execute the commands I have in interfaces. The interfaces file looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/147124/
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17:11<Sicelo>tiger77: paste last few, say 10 - 20 lines from your 'dmesg' to a pastebin
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17:20<dondelelcaro>dvorak: you're missing leading spaces in the eth1 stanza
17:20<dvorak>dondelelcaro: leading spaces? should i indent every line there? or how?
17:21<dondelelcaro>dvorak: man 5 interfaces; for details, but yes, every line that applies to the iface eth1 stanza needs to have a leading space before it.
17:24<emil>i have a question: i installed debian yesterday and it went fine except that when debian tries to boot, it goes into a dark screen with the backlight turning on and off every 10-15 seconds.
17:24<emil>and i'm not sure what the problem is. i tried reinstalling, but that didn't help.
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17:27<tiger77>Sicelo: I can't find any lines with sdX , eg sdd
17:28<tiger77>Sicelo: What's a pastebin?
17:28<Sicelo>tiger77: paste last few, say 10 - 20 lines from your 'dmesg' to a pastebin
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17:29<dvorak>rebooting didn't help. Still ifup and ifdown don't work. And I have indented the lines accordingly.
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17:30<Sicelo>tiger77: just after re-inserting your stick..
17:30<tiger77>Sorry but i am just so lost right now
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17:33<Sicelo>sorry. what i meant is: let us see the output of dmesg ourselves. copy what is on the screen, and paste it somewhere on the internet. a pastebin u can use is in the topic. do this after u have just re-inserted your usb stick
17:34<dvorak>I'm trying to add a default gateway to eth1 by typing route add default gw 10.5.10.1 eth1. I'm getting the message: SIOCADDRT: No such process. Can someone help me fix the problem?
17:35<mouse-_>why did the GNOME team think it a great idea to remove hibernate?
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17:36<tiger77>Okay, on where can i insert the text on the internet for you to see?
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17:38<tiger77>I'm on www.pastebin.com and have insertet the text
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17:41<Sicelo>give us the link
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17:42<tiger77>Sicelo: How dow i use it?
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17:46<Sicelo>well, just pm me the output (hope i'm not breaking channel rules)
17:47<tiger77>How do i save what i have insertet
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17:50<Sicelo>there is Submit
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17:51<tiger77>Sicelo: Okay here it is http://pastebin.com/qqPs6c55
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17:54<Sicelo>u have a 4GB SanDisk Cruzer?
17:54<tiger77>Sicelo: Yes that's correct
17:55<Sicelo>now run 'mount | grep sdb'
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17:56<Sicelo>paste it here.. going to be one line
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17:57<tiger77>Sicelo: it terminal i should type mount end press enter?
17:57<Sicelo>yes
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17:59<tiger77>Sicelo: http://pastebin.com/xvSCCpYk
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18:02<Sicelo>not there. also, your dmesg says 'unknown partition table'
18:02<Sicelo>:/
18:02<tiger77>I'm lost then
18:03<Sicelo>u are sure this usb disk isn't corrupt?
18:03<tiger77>tiger77@tiger77-Aspire-7540:~$ mount
18:03<tiger77>/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0)
18:03<tiger77>proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
18:03<tiger77>none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
18:03<tiger77>fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
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18:04<bdube>Hi. I've installed stable on my netbook, and I get stuck on a APT::Immediate-Configure issue when trying to upgrade to either testing or unstable.
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18:06<bdube>the error mentions libgstreamer0.10-0, so I try upgrading that one by itself first and it doesn't help
18:06<abrotman>bdube: dpkg --configure -a ?
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18:06<tiger77>Sicelo: I have tried it in another computer which run windows it said it wasn't formatet
18:07<bdube>abrotman: I'll try that. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure -a, but not that one. Thanks.
18:07<Sicelo>heh, so it is corrupt after all
18:07<tiger77>Sicelo: What can i do the?
18:08<compgrokker>tiger77: format it
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18:09<tiger77>Will that say that i have to delete all my files on it?
18:09<fix>erm
18:09<fix>trying to build kernel and Im having heaps of issues
18:09<fix>This is kernel package version 11.015.
18:09<fix>echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo " \"\" "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo " \"3.0.8\" "; echo "Please correct this."; exit 2
18:09<fix>Ive built kernel 3.x on lenny before a few times, but somethings changed
18:09<compgrokker>tiger77: yeah
18:09<fix>I cant built anything
18:09<compgrokker>tiger77: but i doubt you'll be able to read anything on it anyway
18:10<cthuluh>fix: ah, I have met this issue one day ; and found the answer on the web, iirc
18:10<fix>I havent found any answers
18:10<fix>just a flood of other people with the same issues
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18:10<fix>somebody at kernel.org is drunk
18:11<cthuluh>erm ; in fact I don't think I searched the web, but just edited stuff
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18:11<Sicelo>problem, tiger77, is that u have to learn basic use of terminal. for example, there is testdisk, which has a good hance of recovering any files u have there. but it's not going to be easy to help u do that
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18:12<fix>and Im also getting this NEW retarted error
18:12<fix>/usr/bin/make ARCH=i386 -C Documentation/lguest clean
18:12<fix>make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop.
18:12<fix>some jackass decided it would be a good idea to move the directory
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18:13<bdube>after `dpkg --confiure -a` which returns immediately, I still get stuck on libgstreamer. I've also now upgraded dpkg and apt by themselves.
18:13<tiger77>Sicelo: I do want to learn about terminal. But what is the best way of doing that
18:13<fix>try installing your nvidia drivers tiger77, youll learn a lot about the terminal, lol
18:13<compgrokker>heh
18:14<cthuluh>fix: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#examples second example, please read
18:14<compgrokker>tiger77: i think linuxquestions.org still has some good guides for getting started
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18:15<compgrokker>not sure tho, i know 10yrs ago they did :s
18:15<Phoenix87>bdube, apt-get -f install
18:15<tiger77>Okay i will try to see there.
18:15<fix>cthuluh: dont be a wimp
18:15<fix>and dont lexture me on courtesy, its rude
18:15<bdube>Phoenix87: thanks. I've tried that too, it returns without change.
18:16<Phoenix87>:(
18:16<Phoenix87>try purging it
18:16<cthuluh>fix: fine ; *plonk*
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18:17<Sicelo>tiger77: i'm a newbie myself. got lots to learn :)
18:18<bdube>it's getting further now :)
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18:19<tiger77>Thanks for all your help in here. I will try to know more about the terminal.
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18:23<fix>cthuluh: sorry im just frustrated, you didnt deserve that, I just want my damn kernel to build
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18:30<fix>to hell with it, ill just get the suggested kernel from sources
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19:09<tp43>I am having a problem with php
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19:12<tp43>i can read a file, write to file, but I can read and write to a file
19:12<tp43>i can read a file, write to file, but I can't read and write to a file
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19:16<heikkila>tp43, in a Debian server?
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19:17<tp43>actually, ubuntu
19:17<heikkila>tp43, well, then you should look for an ubuntu support channel or a php one.
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19:17<heikkila>!ubuntuirc
19:17<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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19:29<tp43>any php programmers, I am having trouble with file permission for rw, I can do r or w, but doing both or w+ is a pain.
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19:30<weasel>doesn't seem like a php question. what's the problem anyway?
19:31<victor__>tp43: any relevant output of tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
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19:33<tp43>no
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19:34<weasel>you haven't yet said what the problem is
19:34<tp43>basically, I have a file, I can read it with fopen and r+, but when I try to write it with w I get a failed read because it is empty, which is what w is supposed to do guess
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19:35<weasel>if you fopen it with r+ you can read and write using that FD.
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19:35<weasel>if you open it with w or w+ it gets truncated
19:35<tp43>weasel, I am going to post it on viper, 1 sec please
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19:35<tp43>I never tried r+, I just tried r, w, and w+
19:35<weasel>maybe you should read the manual
19:36<weasel>(I'm assuming here that php is similar to fopen(3). that may be wrong)
19:36<tp43>http://codepad.viper-7.com/9s6Uxb
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19:37<tp43>Yeah, I think I need t find an example of a program that does both r and w or w+, cause I just looked at an fopen and fopen pieces and put them together
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19:37<morphiss88>holaaa
19:37<weasel>do you want to read and write in the same script run?
19:37<weasel>or just read _xor_ write depending on something?
19:38<weasel>maybe you are looking for append? have you read php's fopen() docs?
19:38<morphiss88>who you are??!
19:38<tp43>well, I want to read it, then overwrite
19:39<tp43>not append
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19:39<weasel>tp43: ok, not a php question, but standard (unix) programming:
19:39<weasel>tp43: two options:
19:39<weasel>tp43: 1) open with r+, read, seek to the beginning, truncate, write.
19:39<weasel>tp43: 2) open with r, read, close. open with w, write
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19:40<tp43>weasel, I see, will that be necessary on a windows server too/
19:40<weasel>yes
19:40<weasel>I'm not sure what you are trying to do currently
19:40<tp43>do you mind explain the reason for the process please?
19:41<tp43>well, I have a file, I want to read the text and then I wanna replace it with new text
19:41<tp43>so basically, you have a webpage, where a user can visit it and change a line of text on it
19:41<weasel>replacing is done with truncating the file (i.e. cutting it off), and writing to it.
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19:42<weasel>you can either do that yourself by calling truncate() on a file, or have it be done automatically when opening the file with w or w+
19:42<weasel>how were you trying to do it so far?
19:42<tp43>thanks weasel you are too kind
19:43<tp43>Well, I would fopen with r, then fclose it, then fopen with w
19:43<weasel>ok, that is option 2 that I mentioned
19:43<weasel>also works
19:43<weasel>if you're more comfortable with that it's a fine approach
19:43<tp43>hmm, that is what I have then
19:44<weasel>and how is it failing?
19:44<tp43>the fopen with w fails
19:44<weasel>how?
19:44<weasel>i.e. what's the error message?
19:45<weasel>(are you sure you are doing what you said you were doing. it seems you aren't reading and writing in the same run of the script. so option 1 isn't an option anyway)
19:45<tp43>well, I have the or die option and if it fails it prints out my own error, php isnt giving any errors, maybe I turned them off somewhere but I can't find it
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19:45<weasel>you really need to get to the error message of fopen()
19:46<weasel>everything else is just insane guessing.
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19:46<weasel>maybe you shouldn't preprend your commands with @
19:46<tp43>yeah, I guess in php.ini errors are turned off
19:46<weasel>no, you use @.
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19:46<weasel>(but maybe they are turned off in addition)
19:47<tp43>oh yeah, but when I take it off I still get no error, but just in case let me try again with out the 2
19:47<tp43>@
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19:48<tp43>yeah even without @ there are no php errors
19:49<weasel>configure your php better?
19:49<tp43>I got the error, it says file cannot be empty
19:49<tp43>tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
19:50<weasel>what does it say exactly?
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19:53<tp43>PHP Warning: fopen(): Filename cannot be empty in /var/www/billUpload/files.php on line 5
19:53<weasel>file*name*
19:54-!-mode/#debian [+l 457] by debhelper
19:54<weasel>you are passing an empty string to fopen() for the filename
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19:56<tp43>weasel, yep, you are correct, thanks weasek
19:56<tp43>thanks weasel
19:57<chatnix>where to setup the autostart of qingy?
19:57<tp43>you know is happenning, I am out of variable scope, so the $heading variable has no value in the if, only in the else, so I need to pass it over some how, or use a variable outside the scope
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20:04<tp43>PHP Warning: fopen(/var/www/billUpload/headerName.txt): failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/billUpload/files.php
20:04<tp43>-rw-r--r--
20:05<tp43>weasel, yep, it is a permissions issue
20:05<weasel>it is now.
20:05<tp43>ok, so I will chmod to 0755 and try then now
20:06<weasel>that won't help
20:06<weasel>maybe pick another number?
20:06<tp43>hehe, really, what is the number, what about a+rw?
20:06<weasel>that would work
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20:07<Guest18415>question. would simply overheating cause a kernel failure ?
20:07<weasel>it could
20:08<Guest18415>ok is there anyway to verify that that was what happened ?
20:09<tp43>weasel, yep, ok now I a getting something, it new error, but at least, I know I am on right track, thanks for your support weasel
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20:12<debianmath>ls
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20:23<_jeronimo>anyone here use ftpsync scripts for a personal mirror?
20:24<weasel>.oO( does ftp.debian.org count as a personal mirror? )
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20:24<_jeronimo>can you help?
20:24<weasel>who knows, you haven't asked a question
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20:25<_jeronimo>Nov 26 23:13:33 mirror ftpsync-mirror[2050]: ERROR: Sync step 1 went wrong, got errorcode 127. Logfile: /home/jeronimo/log/ftpsync.log
20:26<weasel>and what does that log say?
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20:27<_jeronimo>http://paste.debian.net/147143/
20:27<weasel>(debmirror might be the smarter choice for a local, private mirror for only one or two or a few archs)
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20:28<weasel>that looks like an ftpsync bug
20:28<weasel>are you using the latest version?
20:29<_jeronimo>not sure
20:29<weasel>probably not
20:29<_jeronimo>picked here http://ftp-master.debian.org/ftpsync.tar.gz
20:29<weasel>http://asteria.noreply.org/~weasel/volatile/2011-11-27-Wm4wrCAIkJA/fileRSgn18
20:29<weasel>given that it seems this might have been fixed in March
20:30<weasel>get it from git
20:30<weasel>git clone https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git
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20:35<_jeronimo>that patch dont worked
20:35<_jeronimo>=/
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20:36<weasel>it was an excerpt
20:37<weasel>copy/pasted too
20:37<weasel>you want to git clone, as I said
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20:38<_jeronimo>cloned
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20:44<_jeronimo>same error http://paste.debian.net/plain/147145
20:44<_jeronimo>:(
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20:45<tp43>weasel, remember you said 755 won't help for r/w permissions, try another number, can you tell me the number please?
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20:45<retro|blah>tp43: 4 for read, 2 for write, 1 for execute. If you want read and write, then it's 4 + 2 = 6.
20:45<weasel>tp43: do know how these numbers are made up?
20:46<weasel>retro|blah: and one digit each for user, group and others
20:46<weasel>erm, tp43.
20:46<rbong>any updates on the nvidia nouveau fiasco?
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20:47<tp43>666
20:47<weasel>all hail eris
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20:48<_jeronimo>weasel, help me
20:49<weasel>that's not the same error
20:50<_jeronimo>;)
20:50<weasel>what does the rsync log say?
20:50<_jeronimo>thanks
20:50<_jeronimo>worked
20:50<weasel>...
20:50<_jeronimo>the mirror that I choosed dont accept rsync connections
20:50<_jeronimo>=P
20:50<weasel>ftpsync is probably not the tool you want anyway
20:50<weasel>I have mentioned that earlier
20:52<_jeronimo>I am working with Debian Live
20:52<_jeronimo>so I need to test my custom images
20:52<weasel>so what?
20:53<_jeronimo>I need to download to many packages every time I will create new images
20:53<weasel>but debmirror might be better for your needs.
20:53<weasel>or it might not, but you seem to mirror a few archs you really don't need for instance
20:54<weasel>and you're mirroring oldstable, stable, testing and unstable
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20:55<tp43>what would apache do with flash now that they have it
20:56<weasel>?
20:56<_jeronimo>disk space is not a problem
20:56<_jeronimo>:D
20:57<weasel>so your's using mirror resources just .. because you can't be arsed to do things right?
20:57<weasel>thanks mate
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20:58<_jeronimo>Can I exclude oldstable, testing and unstable releases with ftpsync ??
20:58<weasel>no.
20:58<_jeronimo>=/
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20:58<_jeronimo>I will looking for debmirror
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20:58<weasel>and it's unlikely you'll need the entire archive for building live images anyway.
20:59<_jeronimo>no?
20:59<weasel>you might however exclude armhf and s390x
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20:59<weasel>if you stick with ftpsync
20:59<eric>whats going on room
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20:59<weasel>there are no rooms
20:59<weasel>_jeronimo: all 52 cd images worth?
21:00<weasel>(and that's just i386 without sources)
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21:00<weasel>(and just stable)
21:00<weasel>(and just compressed packages, not a live system)
21:00<eric>has anyone in here setup a ircd in ubuntu server addition?
21:00<weasel>!ubuntu
21:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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21:01<_jeronimo>how can I do it?
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21:02<ratnick>What applications are required to burn dvd+ movies for a dvd player if the source is mp4?
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21:03<medicalw1i>dpkg: awesome
21:03<dpkg>from memory, awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net.
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21:10<_jeronimo>weasel, apt-mirror and debmirror are the same?
21:10<weasel>doubt it
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21:11<_jeronimo>ok
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21:26<TickMagnet>hmmm
21:27<TickMagnet>how would I change to freenode?
21:27<TickMagnet>not that this isn't exciting
21:29<TickMagnet>\list
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21:34<fix>WHY CANT I COMPILE????
21:34<fix>im seriously getting raged
21:34<fix>i just spent the past 24 hours compiling 4 different kernels and they all fail with this crap
21:34<fix>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/Documentation/lguest'
21:34<fix>cc -m32 -Wall -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -O3 -I../../include -I../../arch/x86/include -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE lguest.c -o lguest
21:34<fix>lguest.c:21:25: error: sys/eventfd.h: No such file or directory
21:35<fix>something about the /Documentation/lguest directory
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21:36<rbong>how do increase the resolution in debian squeeze?
21:37<bdube>can I specify an unpublished mirror for a netinst installation? there's one available on the local network
21:37<cthuluh>bdube: yes
21:37<rbong>there is not file /etc/X11/xorg.conf on my box, so i am confused
21:37<cthuluh>rbong: there's no xorg.conf anymore, unless you need it
21:37<cthuluh>rbong: what does xrandr tell you?
21:38<rbong>how do i increase the resolution? i get 800x600 as the max\
21:38<cthuluh>bdube: iirc, on the same screen as where you choose the country
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21:38<rbong>xrandr says the normal stuff
21:38<rbong>i just want to increase the resolution
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21:39<cthuluh>ah? really...?
21:39<bdube>cthuluh: I'm looking around and I don't see an option to do it
21:39<rbong>how do i increase resolutions?
21:40<cthuluh>rbong: *plonk*
21:40<rbong>what is plonk?
21:40<cthuluh>bdube: well I used it few hours ago
21:40<abrotman>!plonk
21:40<dpkg>methinks plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker."
21:40<bdube>cthuluh: ok, cheers. I'll keep messing with it.
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21:41<rbong>wait- why am i being plonked?
21:41<abrotman>his discretion .. carry on!
21:41<rbong>?
21:42<rbong>i just want to increase the resolution on my gnome-
21:42<abrotman>does xrandr say you're at the max resolution ?
21:42<rbong>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
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21:43<abrotman>not what i asked ...
21:43<rbong>how do i tell?
21:44<cthuluh>good luck with that
21:44<rbong>it says below that: 800x600 61.0*, then it says 640x480 60.0
21:44<rbong>oh- it says maximum 800x600
21:44<DarkPurpose>xrandr -s 1024x768?
21:45<rbong>not found in availble modes
21:45<rbong>i am using vesa
21:47<abrotman>and what's your video card? lspci -nn | grep VGA
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21:48<greedy>anyone around ?
21:48<DarkPurpose>sure
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21:48<rbong>nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M]
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21:49<philipp>hi folks
21:49<DarkPurpose>eh
21:49<Guest18428>had a quick question, i was reading through the manual and it had mentioned changing something in /boot/grub/menu.lst, is there any reason menu.lst wouldn't show up in that directory ?
21:50<cthuluh>yes, you're probably reading a howto targeted at grub 1 while using grub 2
21:50<Guest18428>i see lol so would things about grub still likely be relevant to grub 2 ?
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21:52<philipp>someone know how long to cook a potato?
21:52<DarkPurpose>wrong room
21:52<Guest18428>@philipp bout an hour :p
21:52<DarkPurpose>1.5-2 hrs
21:53<DarkPurpose>@350
21:53<DarkPurpose>F
21:53<philipp>ahhm i wana eat it after o_O
21:54<DarkPurpose>been doing it that way for years
21:54<philipp>and how u r eating it? with a spoon?
21:54<DarkPurpose>fork
21:54<philipp>well ill gibe it a try
21:55<philipp>give
21:55<dreamer000>you need to put pepper on it ~50g
21:55<DarkPurpose>rinse off, cover in foil and bake
21:55<Guest18428>and butter!
21:55<philipp>thats AA LOT of pepper
21:56<bdube>cthuluh: scrolling all the way up in the country list is the key, thanks
21:56<philipp>u guys know it if u have screwed up with a girl and cant forget her for years?
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21:58<DarkPurpose>ok, they're going to jump you for irrelevance
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22:00<philipp>u mad? noone here anyway
22:01<philipp>u realy can help me bringing my favourite computer game to work^^
22:01<Corey>That'll do.
22:02<philipp>http://paste.debian.net/147153/
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22:02<philipp>u know why it crashes? (i bet my balls its the damn nvidia driver)
22:03<philipp>im so sorry for makeing smalltalk
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22:04<Guest18428>are there any good manuals for securing your system that aren't outdated?
22:05<cthuluh>would you consider the debian hardening howto as outdated?
22:05<Guest18428>link? :p
22:05<cthuluh>s/hardening/securing
22:05<abrotman>!harden
22:05<dpkg>To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>.
22:06<abrotman>!securing debian
22:06<dpkg>The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ Packaged for Debian as harden-doc. See also <manuals>.
22:06<philipp>i recommend clonezilla
22:06<abrotman>philipp: do you need Debian help?
22:06<cthuluh>I recommend tea
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22:06<philipp>abrotman could not hurt... my favourite game is crashing http://paste.debian.net/147153/
22:07<Guest18428>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ only tells about grub instead of grub2 :( guess the rest is probably relevant
22:07<seeS>tea, now that sounds like a fine idea
22:07<abrotman>philipp: ask the people that made the game, or nvidia .. or ask them to release the source
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22:08<philipp>abrotman proberply not there fault.. runned smootly under ubuntu (damn unity)
22:09<philipp>abrotman i still bet its the *** nvidia driver
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22:13<Guest18428>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ why the hell don't they update this to at least about 5.0 or something :(
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22:13<cthuluh>what makes you think things have changed so much by the meantime?
22:15<Guest18428>well for one all the changes to a particular file are for grub instead of grub2
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22:15<Guest18428>and they have recommended about three important sounding changes to that one file :(
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22:16<cthuluh>Guest18428: so, if things have changed that much, please try to adapt changes to the grub 2 config, and submit a proposal
22:16<cthuluh>Guest18428: ah. you'd prefer me to do that instead?
22:16<heikkila>"Linux client", sounds very vague.. perhaps you should try to mail the HoN support, philipp?
22:17<Guest18428>i never claimed to know anything about what i'm doing here, hence reading 3.** security documentation, otherwise I'd be happy to ;)
22:18<philipp>can i forward skype to egika?
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22:25<philipp>debian is awsome!
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22:25<l0ckd0wn>yes it is
22:26<philipp>low memory use, simple gui, stable
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22:27<seeS>is there a simple way of working out if symlink goes to a particular place programmatically?
22:27<seeS>other than something like ls -l blah | awk or whatever
22:27<weasel>readlink?
22:27<seeS>exactly!
22:27<weasel>also see -f
22:27<weasel>(readlink -f that is)
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22:38<Some_Person>How do I install "tun" on Debian?
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23:07<heikkila>What's tun?
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23:15<kevin__>!sound
23:15<dpkg>[sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>.
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23:17<kevin__>you guys- alsa is installed but i cant hear any sound... any ideas?
23:18<MrFrood>!alsactl
23:18<dpkg>In Squeeze and later Debian releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
23:18<Guest18428>have you checked volume levels ?
23:18<kevin__>i did
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23:19<kevin__>they are all turned up
23:19<Guest18428>does sound work with say headphones plugged in ?
23:19<kevin__>nope- tried thaty
23:19<Guest18428>desktop, laptop?
23:19<MrFrood>kevin__: ^^^
23:19<kevin__>laptop- dell e6410
23:20<Guest18428><alsa checklist
23:20<Guest18428>>
23:20<Guest18428><alsa checklist>
23:20<MrFrood>Guest18428: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
23:21<kevin__>how do i make sure arts/esound are stopped?
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23:22<bdube>moz: I /wc
23:22<bdube>ww
23:23<MrFrood>kevin__: did you try running 'alsactl init' as root (as suggested above)?
23:23<kevin__>yes
23:23<MrFrood>no joy?
23:23<kevin__>it said unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel"
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23:24<Guest18428>codec id ?
23:24<MrFrood>Thats normaal, when checking the volume level did you check both the master and pcm levels?
23:25<kevin__>master and pcm both jacked to 100
23:25<MrFrood>odd
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23:26<Guest18428>mrfrood, you know anything about the realtek 270 issue ?
23:26<MrFrood>nope
23:27<Guest18428>:( maybe you can still help, ive got sound on the headphone jack but nada through the speakers
23:28<Guest18428>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=7a038f3efba8d5ac40c78c87fd6a6c850ddaf99d
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23:28<MrFrood>the only help I can offer is to suggest asking in #alsa on freenode or trying again here when it is busier
23:29<Guest18428>ok :p
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23:48<ricardo>Hola
23:49<MrFrood>!es
23:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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