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01:37<bloopokaybleep>is there an application that I can use to act as an alarm clock, but where I am able to put my computer to sleep, and have it wake up and do something at the specified time?
01:38<bloopokaybleep>I recall reading about somebody doing something along those lines with cron
01:38<bloopokaybleep>but I dont' really have enough of an understanding of it to be able to do that
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01:43<jm_>bloopokaybleep: see if the nvram-wakeup package can help
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02:20<philipp>hey guys can u tell me again where this file is that i had to change when i installed pulseaudio?
02:20<philipp>i would like to get rid of it with the entire pulseaudio nonsense
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02:23<jm_>you mean ~/.asoundrc?
02:24<jm_>or perhaps its system wide alternative
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02:24<philipp>sry guys i crashed
02:24<philipp>someone answerd my question?
02:25<jm_>you mean ~/.asoundrc?
02:25<philipp>no its something more global
02:26<philipp> /etc or /var or sth like that
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02:32<jm_>then maybe /etc/asound.conf
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02:38<DebianN00b>hey guys
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02:38<DebianN00b>any of you know some good Perl, C & C++ ebooks.
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02:44<kinboster>hi all, how can get the package belong which mirror
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02:50<jm_>!which repo
02:50<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
02:50<jm_>kinboster: ^^^ if you emant that
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02:57<kinboster>jm_, aha, I see dpkg apt-cache policy is correct
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03:00<kinboster>jm_, hey, how do you know !which repo command ?
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03:02<jm_>kinboster: because I've seen other people use it here
03:02<jm_>so just my brilliant memory (just kidding)
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03:03<kinboster>jm_, aha, so cool. I think there is a command list for the dpkg
03:03<jm_>!my commands
03:03<kinboster>!my commands
03:03<jm_>kinboster: yes, it also has searching commands
03:03<jm_>!my factoids
03:03<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
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03:06<jm_>(the problem with those commands is they only send one msg so if many match your filter you won't see them all)
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03:06<tweek>i have a question about the ephemeral port range: as i just learned, the linux default range is 32768-61000, but i've seen the range 49152-65535 in both the configurations of transmission-daemon and proftpd. which is why i copied that one to the vsftpd config when i switched ftp servers. and also to the router's port forwarding configuration. could that have been the reason for flakey ftp behavior?
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03:08<tweek>i set the linux default range in the router now, and removed the port range line from vsftp (then it will use the system default again i guess)
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03:23<metaspike>tweek, if a communication has a valid port to transmit with- then it should work fine, assuming the server and client will accept those ports.
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03:25<metaspike>im not sure why, but all those numbers seem really high to me. dunno.
03:25<tweek>i don't understand much of networks, but i thought, maybe the ftp server advertised a port to the client that wasn't in the linux range
03:25<jm_>do you know what that range is about?
03:26<tweek>usually, it's for 'random' ports not assigned to specific protocols
03:26<tweek>but ftp in pasv mode is an exception here
03:26<weasel>that's because ftp sucks
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03:27<tweek>weasel: i've come across that being mentioned too
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03:28<tweek>weasel: would you suggest an alternative? i need anonymous access, and i need uploads. samba comes to mind, but i think it's similarly problematic behind a NAT
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03:28<philipp>hey who wanna work on one of my problems?
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03:30<philipp>heikkila its one of many... if u have answers to it i would aprechiate it
03:30<philipp>also my rhythmbox is stopping any sound as soon as i open teamspeak3
03:31<philipp>urban terror and ts3 are in my local files and should be "installed" to /usr
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03:31<philipp>and im waiting for the grafic driver on the backports
03:32<philipp>anyone can help me with one of these? :P
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03:33<heikkila>Which graphic driver?
03:33<philipp>500 series
03:34<philipp>looking up wich exact mom
03:34<philipp>GeForce GTX 560 Ti
03:34<philipp>560... thats my girl =P
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03:37<heikkila>Locally installed, I think you mean /usr/local, but I don't know where Urban Terror, and others, want to install its files.
03:37<philipp>heikkila i mean ~/UrbanTerror and ~/TeamSpeak3
03:38<metaspike>philipp, - lets assume you are only using alsa, i havent tried this myself either. alternatively, you could compile / aquire UT4 and teamspeak with pulseaudio support and install that.
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03:38<metaspike>gee alot of gamers in here this week. o_o
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03:39<philipp>metaspike sry vorgott to tell i think im useing pulseaudio...
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03:41<metaspike>philipp, is libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed? because you will need it
03:42<philipp>metaspike yes
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03:43<heikkila>philipp, UT doesn't need to be installed? You just unzip the folder, make one file executeable?
03:43<philipp>DEAR GOD definitly useing pulseaudio... multimedia selector selected and the beep almoused gave me a heard attack!
03:43<philipp>heikkila ye i did that... but it would be nice to arrange it like a usuall program
03:44<philipp>heikkila its not a REAL problem... more like a "would be nice" feature
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03:46<philipp>heikkila would it work to move the entire think to /usr/games?
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03:49<philipp>heikkila its useing the folder ~/.q3a for my local settings as it should do
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03:57<philipp>want an other shot?
03:57<philipp>i installed vsftp and try to configure it so i can upload files right from my user
03:57<philipp>already added my user to the group ftp
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03:58<heikkila>philipp, upload to where?
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04:00<philipp>heikkila goal is that i put a file on my ftp, send a friend a link, he clicks it and downloads the file
04:01<philipp>i dont wanna make a complicated sudo move etc
04:01<philipp>ofc if u think an other ftp server is better i can uninstall vsftp and install the other
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04:02<heikkila>well, I thought only you would handle that file, just on different computers, than copy via ssh protocol would be more secure and just as simple too.
04:02<metaspike>ftpd works for me
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04:03<metaspike>but yeah ssh is better
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04:04<philipp>ssh is not a simple way to share a file with friends...
04:04<philipp>okey metaspike where do i find the directory where i have to place the file in and how do i start the server?
04:05<philipp>is there any configuration i have to do that ftpd woks the way i want?
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04:06<heikkila>No, it might not be easy to do, although I found ftp to be hard to setup and configure. Personally I just setup apache server and enabled public_html in user folders, then I open up port 80 if I need to share a file easily.
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04:06<tweek>philipp: yes, assuming you have vsftpd, you have to edit /etc/vsftpd.conf
04:07<philipp>tweek no i have ftpd
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04:08<tweek>philipp: unless ftpd is easier to configure, i would go with another, because in the description it says: This is the netkit ftp server. You are recommended to use one of its alternatives, such as vsftpd, proftpd, or pure-ftpd.
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04:09<metaspike>yeah sorry phillip, tweek is on the dot. just stick with vsftpd it should work. you know how to use man pages right??
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04:10<philipp>tweek tell me the one where u can help me the best
04:11<tweek>philipp: these are my vsftpd.conf lines that differ from the default settings: write_enable=YES; local_umask=022; anon_upload_enable=YES; anon_mkdir_write_enable=YES; pasv_address=
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04:11<tweek>anon_upload only if you want that, and pasv_address is for when you are behind a NAT
04:12<tweek>then it needs to know the outside address of your NAT device, which i ...ooops... just revealed
04:12<tweek>it's still local though
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04:13<tweek>btw i switched from proftpd to vsftpd because apparently proftpd has a history of being compromised once in a while
04:13<tweek>drag them to /home/ftp, that's the default i think
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04:14<philipp>tweek thats ok then i make a link... wich ftp server is it?
04:14<tweek>also, in case you haven't done so yet, 'aptitude install vsftpd' should do it in principle
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04:14<metaspike>yeah, and 'aptitude purge ftpd' v_v
04:14<tweek>but depending on your network situation, there might be firewall trouble
04:15<philipp>tweek no there is not... rooter configured to forward the internet to my pc (DMZ host)
04:15<tweek>also, 'service vsftpd start' and 'service vsftpd stop' will start and stop the server, but it starts automatically when installed
04:15<tweek>ah ok that should work
04:15<philipp>just tell me how to set up the #@!æ! server to do so
04:15<tweek>is it installed?
04:16<philipp>with apt-get but should do it
04:16<tweek>is it running?
04:16<philipp>guess so... it tould me it started it as last row of the installation
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04:16<tweek>does your friend have a login name or should it be anonymous access?
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04:17<philipp>tweek anonymous for the first
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04:17<tweek>philipp: ah i just notices that anon is enabled by default, so, nothing to do here.
04:17<tweek>is there a directory /home/ftp ?
04:18<philipp>tweek nah
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04:18<tweek>try 'cat /etc/passwd | grep ftp' to find ftp's home
04:19<philipp>ftp:x:112:123:ftp daemon,,,:/srv/ftp:/bin/false
04:19<philipp>well im adding my user to the group of ftp i guess
04:20<tweek>ah, ok, then your files should go to /srv/ftp
04:20<tweek>um, yes, that will make it easier for you to write files there
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04:21<tweek>but, from what you said about DMZ, i take it you are behind a NAT device (router)
04:21<tweek>for me, that required one additional setting in /etc/vsftpd.conf
04:22<philipp>tweek shoot
04:22<tweek>if it doesn't work yet, try to add the line 'pasv_address='
04:22<tweek>replacing that ip with the external ip of your router
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04:23<tweek>then restart the server with 'service vsftpd restart'
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04:24<philipp>tweek i dont even have a row like that... ill try it without that row before...
04:24<tweek>philipp: i know, just add it
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04:25<tweek>at the bottom
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04:25<tweek>if you try it out from inside your router, it will work without, if you try from outside, it won't without that row
04:25<tweek>...i think
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04:27<tweek>philipp: you should be able to look up that ip in the status page of your router, was just my example, don't use that, in case i wasn't clear
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04:27<philipp>wrote the line... but not on any special place...
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04:28<tweek>philipp: doesn't matter, as long as it's in the right fiel
04:28<philipp>kay... my user still cant write there...
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04:28<tweek>maybe give it the right permissions: chmod g+w /srv/ftp
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04:29<philipp>g+w is writeing for people of the group ftp?
04:30<philipp>tried to look up rights with ls but terrible failed cause i forgott the parameter
04:30<tweek>ls -l
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04:30<philipp>rly? i tried that without sucess :S
04:31<philipp>ah its ls -l /ftp
04:31<philipp>ah its ls -l /ftp
04:31<philipp>ah its ls -l /srv sry
04:32<tweek>is the group even ftp? i ask because mine is ftp:nogroup, and not ftp:ftp
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04:34<philipp>drwxrwxr-x 2 root ftp 4096 Nov 28 10:14 ftp
04:34<tweek>philipp: that looks ok
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04:35<philipp>ye but still no good... maybe i have to restart pc before it works
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04:35<tweek>are you really in the ftp group? try 'grep ftp /etc/group'
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04:37<metaspike>i thought one needs to log out and log back in for group permissions to take place?
04:37<metaspike>take effect* rather.
04:37<philipp>enough i restart my pc -.-
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04:38<tweek>metaspike: apparently,i just tried it myself, weird, i never noticed
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04:40<dpkg><themill> dooglus: are you in the plugdev group? <dooglus> themill: I'm not affiliated to any organization, and I'm not interested thank you.
04:40<metaspike>weird but true
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04:40<gabr1el>any ?
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04:40<philipp>nothing working -.-
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04:40<kenyon>!ftp must die
04:40<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP:
04:40<gabr1el>Hello !
04:40<tweek>kenyon: alternative?
04:41<d9b>good idea
04:41<philipp>tweek i have permission to write there now
04:41<tweek>philipp: ok
04:41<kenyon>tweek: see the links
04:41<tweek>kenyon: http does not allow uploads i think
04:42<kenyon>tweek: false
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04:42<tweek>kenyon: srsly?
04:42<kenyon>tweek: ever attached a file to a gmail?
04:43<d9b>even craigslist, uploading photos for ads
04:43<tweek>kenyon: now when you put it like that... :-). is there some software in the repos that provides a nice mask only for file uploads?
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04:43<philipp>i cant download any uploaded files
04:43<philipp>the config is not working
04:43<tweek>philipp: from where are you trying?
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04:44<philipp>tweek from my pc
04:44<tweek>philipp: ok, and where is the ftp server?
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04:44<philipp>on the same machine
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04:44<metaspike>can you see them here? ftp://localhost/
04:44<philipp>tweek it does not even work with localhost -.-
04:45<philipp>NO I CAN NOT
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04:46<philipp>i think the config is screwed im gonna rm it...
04:46<tweek>philipp: weird, i just noticed that ftp from localhost doesn't work here either
04:46<tweek>no, dont
04:46<gdb>Perhaps a dumb question: My system (stable) picked up a new kernel last Friday but I've not seen a DSA issued about it. Why was a new kernel pushed out without a DSA? Is there a place I can actually read about what changed? The version upgrade was from 2.6.32-38 to 2.6.32-39.
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04:46<tweek>philipp: what did you change in the config?
04:47<philipp>tweek ur row
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04:48<tweek>philipp: i'm pretty sure that's not the problem. in any case, if you rm the config you will have to reinstall it, it's different from the configs in your home.
04:48<jm_>gdb: that is in squeeze proposed updates, is it not?
04:48<tweek>philipp: but for whatever reaseon, ftp localhost doesnt work here with my otherwise functioning server
04:48<gdb>jm_: I don't have that enabled so I don't think so.
04:49<kenyon>gdb: aptitude search ~ilinux-image will show you what's installed
04:49<kenyon>gdb: then you can do aptitude changelog thatpackagename
04:49<philipp>tweek it does not work with my external ip too -.-
04:49<jm_>gdb: that's what rmadison is showing and this page too
04:50<gdb>Hrm, so it's not a security patch but a bug fix, hence no DSA being issued?
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04:50<philipp>tweek u have a config that is doing the same?
04:51<gdb>jm_: <-- my sources.list, I don't have proposed updates configured so if it's in there, then I don't know how it made it onto my machine.
04:51<philipp>tweek if so then just paste it please
04:51<tweek>philipp: external ip from inside never worked for me, i think that's normal
04:51<kenyon>gdb: apt-cache madison package tells you where it came from
04:52<tweek>anyone else know a reason why ftp localhost wouldn't work on an otherwise working ftp?
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04:52<gdb>Came out of squeeze-updates
04:52<philipp>someone give it a shot? :P
04:52<metaspike>well. i just tested it. installed vsftpd, copied a file to /srv/ftp/ - (sudo cp, i was lazy) and it's there immediately. accesible from a normal user via ftp://localhost/ didnt change a thing.
04:52<nitwit>hi, i run testing w/ tcsh user shell, could it be there's a problem doing so and running x with startx? when i do that with tcsh fvwm doesn't run anymore and amiwm runs ok but hangs when i try to quit it. rox also triggers it when a run action is ran. when i run these things from an xterm they work fine, when i change shell to mksh everything runs fine. any ideas? (i like tcsh)
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04:53<tweek>philipp: it kinda works, but i get '500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root
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04:53<philipp>tweek same what i get
04:53<metaspike>pretty sure you can restore the default config with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure vsftpd"
04:54<gdb>My question isn't really where it came from. I assume it came from the repositories in sources.list. What I'm questioning is why there was no DSA issued for it as I was under the impression that nothing changed in stable that's not due to a security issue. I'm guessing that since squeeze-updates is the old volatile that this was pushed for non-security reasons and hence why there's no associated security notice.
04:54<gdb>That madison command is spot on, thank you!
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04:54<gdb>kenyon: ^ thanks for the apt-cache madison command :)
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04:55<gdb>kenyon: And the changelog command, that indicates that it's not a security update.
04:55<kenyon>gdb: right on
04:55<jm_>gdb: but you have squeeze-updates which includes it
04:55<gdb>I'm surprised this was pushed out, honestly, since it's a bug fix release.
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04:55<tweek>philipp: change the permissions of the ftp home
04:56<philipp>wow its not possible to get the orginal config file from anywhere O . O
04:56<gdb>jm_: Yes, I see that from apt-cache madison. So apparently it went from proposed updates to the new volatile.
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04:56<tweek>philipp: try 'chown -R root:philipp /srv/ftp'
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04:57<philipp>tweek thats what i was trying to avoid
04:57<tweek>philipp: what do you mean
04:58<philipp>tweek its bad practice to change the owner to the local user...
04:58<tweek>it's also bad practice to have ftp own the ftp root directory, as i just learned.
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04:59<philipp>tweek can u connct now?
05:00<tweek>philipp: yes
05:00<philipp>it works
05:00<philipp>i cant belive it
05:01<tweek>philipp: you could make /srv/ftp owned by root:root and subdirectories owned by ftp:philipp or something. but owned by ftp is only necessary if ftp needs to write, e.g. if you enable file uploads
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05:02<philipp>tweek it should be able to write because im the group is able and im in the group or something like that...
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05:02<philipp>how do i do ha hard link? link?
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05:04<philipp>oh ithink i ment symbolic
05:04<philipp>but its ln -s then
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05:04<philipp>link to the inode
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05:05<tweek>philipp: a trivial problem solved:
05:06<metaspike>yup... ln -s is for symbolic linkage. man is your friend, tkman is man with a tk gui, pretty nifty
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05:08<philipp>metaspike thats where i am currently reading xD
05:08<philipp>tweek never underestimate the bandwide of a train full of harddisks xD
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05:10<tweek>philipp: btw, i once tried it, and symbolic links didn't work with ftp
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05:10<tweek>in case that's what you're trying now
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05:13<philipp>ye i am and it does not
05:14<metaspike>hard links are dangerous too! worth mentioning, delete the hardlink, delete the links source! learnt THAT the hard way!
05:14<philipp>8077730 ftp
05:14<philipp>im makeing a softlink
05:14<philipp>18259970 ftp
05:14<philipp>not the same inode -.-
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05:15<philipp>rm -r ftp
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05:18<philipp>someone a idea what i am doing wring?
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05:19<philipp>someone knoes why it does not work?
05:20<jm_>what does not work?
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05:20<philipp>its not the same inode
05:21<philipp>not the same inode number
05:21<jm_>yes it works like it should accordign to your commands
05:21<Zaba>symlinks are separate inodes, yes
05:22<Zaba>metaspike, hardlinks are not "dangerous", you just need to understand what they are.
05:22<Zaba>metaspike, of course, like with any other tool, you can misuse them and like with any other filesystem-related tool, you can destroy data while misusing it :>
05:22<heikkila>metaspike, if you have a hardlink you can delete the "source" and still have the file left until you delete the hard link too.
05:23<philipp>i know what it is and its not dangerous its just smooth
05:23<philipp>guess i have set a parameter for directory
05:23<Zaba>metaspike, a "link" or a "hardlink" refers to a link between a filename and an inode. What 'ln foo bar' does is give the 'foo' file a second name ('bar').
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05:26<metaspike>as apposed to a reference to a file within the symbolic link?!
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05:26<philipp>Zaba awsome explanation can u tell me how to link the directory /srv/ftp to my home?
05:27<Zaba>metaspike, a symbolic link is a separate file, that holds the name of its target, which is treated specially ("followed") by various filesystem code
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05:27<Zaba>philipp, what exactly are you trying to achieve by that?
05:28<Zaba>you can't (normally) hardlink directories anyway
05:28<philipp>to hardlink the directory /svr/ftp to ~/Desktop/ftp so i can drag and drop files in my ftp
05:28<Zaba>why does a symlink not work for that?
05:28<philipp>Zaba prob yes but i want the same inode
05:29<philipp>its just smoother
05:29<Zaba>why do you care about the inode
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05:29<philipp>because its the better way to do it
05:29<Zaba>not at all, clearly
05:29<philipp>when i move ftp it still points on the right spot
05:29<Zaba>since, as I've already mentioned, you can't even hardlink directories normally
05:30<heikkila>philipp, hard links need to be on the same part of the filesystem, like the same partition (I mention it if you have /home on its own partition)
05:31<Zaba>philipp, uh, chill.
05:31<Zaba>and no, you can't have hardlink files from different filesystems
05:31<philipp>a hardlink is a additional reference to a inode! its the same file system so it works
05:32<babilen>philipp: Please relax. From what I can tell Zaba and metaspike are merely trying to figure out *why* you want a hardlink. I also don't quite see how it is "smoother" or even more desirable.
05:32<Volley>what the hell ...
05:32<philipp>because it cant point in the middle of nowhere
05:32*gnugr giggles
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05:33<philipp>whats wrong with a hardlink?
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05:33<gdb>I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if that's your reason for wanting a hardlink instead of a symlink, it's a pretty silly reason.
05:34<Zaba>why not just configure the ftpd to use your ~/Desktop/ftp as the document root
05:34<Zaba>if that's what you're going to use anyway
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05:35<nitwit>if you want a harlink like directory you could use mount --bind i think.
05:35<Zaba>nitwit, that's not "smooth"! :P
05:36<philipp>Zaba because its a local solution what would work up to 1 user
05:36*amoe blinks at scrollback
05:36*Volley offers Valerian Root Tea to the channel
05:36<philipp>i give up i softlink it -.-
05:36<Zaba>philipp, how is it different from your sym/hardlinking?
05:37<philipp>when i delete /svr on a softlink all data are lost on the ftp
05:37<heikkila>oh philipp, you are so close to hardlink it now ;(
05:37<philipp>on the other way the data still exist for the user in his ~
05:38<Volley>uhm that is not entirely correct - depending on how you look at it
05:38<heikkila>philipp, if you remove the symlink you just remove the symlink.
05:39<Volley>if you mount bind it, and recursively delete, it's really gone.
05:39<Volley>anf for hardlinks ... well, you would have to hardlink each single file then
05:39<philipp>heikkila and if i remove the real link the sym link gives me a UGLY error message and is just not working -.-
05:39<heikkila>You want to link a link?
05:40<metaspike>okok before we go any further.
05:40<philipp>i wanna link a directory
05:40<gdb>he doesn't like seeing dangling symlinks flashing in white on red text in an ls listing
05:40<gdb>i would suggest this then "alias ls='ls -F'"
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05:40<Volley>you could install some nice theme so your error messages look less ugly
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05:41<philipp>u guy r trying if my head explodes if you anger me more? ><
05:41<heikkila>philipp, if you are the only user of your computer then why not have the ftp folder in /home/user/ftp ?
05:41<philipp>why cant i have a hardlink? ='(
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05:42<philipp>heikkila because i maybe find a girlfriend and get kids with her
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05:42<heikkila>philipp, that is kind of far fetched? ;)
05:42<Zaba>philipp, well, try to calm down for a minute and imagine the havok a hardlinked directory would wreak. Infinite recursion, yay! And it won't even know what its proper parent is.
05:42<heikkila>j/k, but then you could reconfigure your ftp.
05:43<gdb>philipp: then use hard links, it's cool. Just omit the -s from the ln command and you're set.
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05:43<Black_Prince>And fail by the way
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05:44<Volley>actually i remember doing a "hardlink" on a fat32 partition per hex-editor ... just for fun ... was really cool to see the filemanager trying to open the infinite directory loop and then crash ...
05:44<nitwit>maybe on linux the section about -d, -F --directory should include what zaba says
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05:44<philipp>gdb sure i am that stupid
05:45<gdb>I didn't say you were stupid. I just can't think of a use case for hard links that makes sense aside from a very specific one (needing to keep multiple copies of identical files that are managed separately).
05:45<philipp>Zaba why would i get a infinite recursion?
05:45<Black_Prince>If you want hard link, patch kernel, coreutils and file system to allow hard link on directory and cry when it does something that you never expect.
05:45<gdb>oh on a directory?
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05:45<gdb>no, no hardlink there
05:46<gdb>You cannot have a hardlink on a directory because of what a hard link *is*
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05:46<Zaba>gdb, no
05:46<Zaba>you can't hardlink directories because it makes things more complicated than wanted ;P
05:46<Zaba>technically a directory is just another inode that can be given just another name
05:46<philipp>gdb i better ignore you now so i dont overread Zabas WAY more important messages when he is trying to talk with me
05:47<gdb>suit yourself
05:47<Zaba>philipp, seemslike you're just raging now, maybe you should take a break.
05:47<philipp>Zaba 2 thinks i cant stand are takeing borders with no reason and getting fooled
05:47*Black_Prince wonders what is the point of taking this story further. Answer is "directories can't be hard linked" ... What is more important than that?
05:48<Zaba>philipp, that doesn't even parse.
05:49<philipp>Zaba so the reason why i cant create a dir hardlink is cause i could do a infinite recursion with it
05:49<Volley>i'm quite sure that isn't the only reason
05:49<gdb>The reason you can't do it is because the operating system doesn't support it. End of story.
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05:49<gdb>i.e.; what black prince said
05:50<philipp>gdb it does its just turned off somewhere
05:50*Black_Prince falls of the chair
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05:51<Volley>philipp: what makes you think that?
05:51<Black_Prince>It has a switch? Hahahhhah ... I bet if it did it would have big "DANGEROUS" written there ...
05:51*gnugr its time for offtopic now
05:51<nitwit>the ln program does support it but linux doesn't. Maybe some btree fs on antoher os does which uses gnu ln, maybe not. I was wondering why there's talk about it in the manpage. It makes things confusing so it seems.
05:52<philipp>Black_Price a big danger has never stopped me unless i could see any real danger -.-
05:52<Volley>now why don't we elaborate that the titanic would actually have supported going trough icebergs, the switch just was turned off ...?
05:52<metaspike>the problem here is that ftp does not support symbolic links and hardlinks are not a feasible solution. what about mount --bind ?
05:52<philipp>so sorry for haveing a own mind and not just blindly acepting everytihg what other say -.-
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05:53<babilen>Could we please focus on actual support? If you want to pursue this further take it to #debian-offtopic, #moocows or /dev/null please.
05:53<philipp>metaspike what does that do?
05:53<gdb>That's cool. I just don't understand why you're angry at all of us. And I like babilen's solution.
05:53<Black_Prince>/dev/null is best place to take this conversation to
05:53<philipp>babilen i will shut up as soon as 1 other person is here who need support
05:54<nitwit>well... ;)
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05:54<philipp>so sorry for haveing a own mind and not just blindly acepting everytihg what other say -.-
05:54<Volley>i wonder if you would behave the same way if you would stand for a audience of 450 people in person
05:54<philipp>have you never proofed anything about right or wrong and blindly acepted everything someone saied?
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05:55<babilen>philipp: That is not how it works -- It seems as if you have gathered enough input to allow you to evaluate the situation and come up with a solution that suits your needs. Offtopic chatter, rambling or other non-support issues are not on-topic here.
05:55<metaspike>ok. here me out guys.
05:55<metaspike>create a folder "mkdir /home/phillip/Desktop/share"
05:55<metaspike>create the destination
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05:56<metaspike>mkdir /srv/ftp/share
05:56<metaspike>link them with mount --bind
05:56<metaspike>mount --bind /home/phillip/Desktop/share /src/ftp/share
05:56<metaspike>mount --bind /home/phillip/Desktop/share /srv/ftp/share ---- sorry
05:57<metaspike>put them into /Desktop/share and they appear on the ftp server, problem solved
05:57<nitwit>here we go again ;)
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05:58<metaspike>or mount --bind /this/folder /srv/ftp/share --- whatever.
05:59<philipp>ye that could work
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05:59<nitwit>does anyone run tcsh? i'm having trouble w/ startx when i set it for my shell
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06:02<philipp>metaspike haha nice its the same inode :D i love you!
06:03<nitwit>i'm not sure if it started after an upgrade since i rarely quit x but changed shells a while ago. same config runs ok on openbsd fwiw
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06:11<metaspike>nitwit, not sure what you're using for session management, but xdm is the defacto graphical session manager and you might have better luck with that.
06:12<nitwit>i'm logging in to cli, then use startx when i need x.
06:13<nitwit>my .xinitrc contains xrdb ~/.Xresources and exec ~/amiwm/bin/amiwm
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06:13<nitwit>that kindof works as long as start everything from an xterm
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06:13<nitwit>fvwm won't even start
06:14<nitwit>it must be shell related somehow, when i change to mksh it all works
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06:14<babilen>nitwit: FWIW, I would recommend to use ck-launch-session in lieu of exec in there
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06:14<babilen>nitwit: (most likely unrelated to your issue though)
06:14<nitwit>ok. that's to get dbus_session variables and such?
06:15<Black_Prince>that's what's dbus-launch for. console kit is something else :)
06:15<nitwit>i don't run into issues not using it
06:15<nitwit>i'm kind of old fashioned
06:16<babilen>nitwit: You might in the future if you start using programs that expect CK to be properly initialised. Just keep it in mind.
06:16<nitwit>i will, thanks for the heads up.
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06:17<Black_Prince>yet another MrFrood
06:18<Black_Prince>ck-launch-session does not work properly in consolekit >0.4.2
06:18<heikkila>metaspike, doesn't mount --bind suffer from the same problems (or some of them) as a hardlink to a folder?
06:18<lutung_kasarung>ask : is there any distro for arm based h/w ?
06:18<Black_Prince>lutung_kasarung, Debian.
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06:20<lutung_kasarung>black prince : do you mean there're some debian distro's that specially support arm based h/w ? would you so be kind enough to mention them
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06:28<metaspike>heikkila, The bind mount call attaches only (part of) a single filesystem, not possible submounts. also one can easily unmount the target with umount. so its safer at least.
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06:34<nitwit>maybe i should stick to mksh. it's really small and i've already converted my aliases to functions. only thing missing is things like !$ and %- done different
06:35<nitwit>completion is nice but i didn't use it that much. scripting is also nice but when at $WORK it should be posix so.. hmpf. old habits die hard.
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06:57<deavid>how i can list the computers in a network which have the port number 22 open? with nmap, every host that responds to ping is listed
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06:58<bzed>deavid: read the nmap manpage.
06:58<nitwit>you could use the grep output option of nmap and grep. i always forget if it's -oG or -Og. then grep for open
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07:03<gnugr>deavid: try " nmap -v -sT "
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07:13<manu>salve a tutti!
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07:14<manu>qualcuno puo aiutarmi?
07:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:17<aaa>how to enable autoplay for cd/dvd in xubuntu
07:17<aaa>anybody knows that
07:17<babilen>!ubuntuirc aaa
07:17<dpkg>aaa: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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07:20<opalepatrick>I believe I need to upgrade from 2.6.32-5 to a kernel above 2.6.35 in order to install my wi-fi usb adapter. Am I going to cause myself other problems doing this, or is there an alternative?
07:20<deavid>i ended using "nmap -PS22 -p22 -T5 -sV --open -oG - | grep 22/"
07:20<babilen>!tell opalepatrick -about bdo kernel
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07:21<babilen>opalepatrick: The backported kernel shouldn't cause any problems
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07:24<opalepatrick>thanks babilen - being an amateur, using synaptic can I just tick for upgrade and the prev kernel will be updated?
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07:24<opalepatrick>or should I use termainla
07:25<mbaechtold>Hi there. What would be a good location on my debian server to store a small php framework I downloaded from the internet (and not through apt)?
07:26<babilen>opalepatrick: No, you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list as explained in -- Run "apt-get update" afterwards and install the kernel with, for example, "apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64" (for amd64)
07:26<babilen>opalepatrick: I never use synaptic and can't help you with that
07:26<mbaechtold>Somewhere in /usr?
07:26<opalepatrick>I have used both prefer terminal - so thanks babilen
07:26<metaspike>mbaechtold, are you using it with apache?
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07:30<mbaechtold>metaspike: with cherokee
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07:31<mbaechtold>oh by the way, I read I shoudn't put it directly in /var/www
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07:35<damiano>i'm trying to record my desktop.. but it doesn't do what i actually need.. i want to record emulator screen with a game...
07:35<damiano>it shows just black space..
07:35<damiano>just like in windows. In skype it's different, when i share my screen everything is shown
07:35<damiano>how do i fix that?
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07:36<yohann>hello !
07:36<yohann>bonjours !!
07:37<yohann>quelqu'un me lit ???
07:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
07:38<yohann>thanks !
07:39<babilen>yohann: ... or speak English in here ;)
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07:47<mosno>is there something better than deborphan for finding useless packages?
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07:50<opalepatrick>hmm upgraded kernel to 2.6.39 and got a blinking cursor before login - some driver not updated? (on squeeze)
07:51<opalepatrick>no login either
07:52<metaspike>mbaechtold, has some info on how cherokee uses php, somewhere under /usr/local makes sense, but i dont know what a php_framework for cherokee IS really so, cant say for certain.
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07:54<mbaechtold>metaspike: thank you for your help. well it's not a php framework *for* cherokee but just another php framework like simfony or others.
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07:56<mbaechtold>metaspike: just out of curiosity, what about /opt?
07:56<mbaechtold>But /usr/local is fine too
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08:05<metaspike>mbaechtold, hmmm, opt could work also. when i make local debs and install them, it places the results into /usr/local... however looks like mandatory reading a time like this
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08:06<mbaechtold>metaspike: oh great, that's what I've been looking for
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08:08<metaspike> especially
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08:15<metaspike>opalepatrick, did you get your login fixed.
08:16<mbaechtold>thx, metaspike
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08:24<opalepatrick>still got a prob with upgrade to 2.6.39 squeeze - cant get to login
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08:26<babilen>opalepatrick: Sounds as if you video driver has problems. Which GPU do you have and which driver do you use? How was it installed?
08:26<opalepatrick>it is nvidia you may be right
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08:27<babilen>opalepatrick: How did you install the driver? If you followed the recommended way (/msg dpkg nvidia) DKMS should have taken care of the installation, but you'll have to install the kernel headers from backports as well. (linux-headers-amd64 for example)
08:28<ratnick>I have an Nvidia card installed using generic drivers
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08:29<opalepatrick>cheers babilen - I did install the headers - but cannot even remember how i installed them previously - good chance it wasnt via dpkg though
08:29<babilen>ratnick: That is interesting, but I don't quite see how this information helps opalepatrick :) (also: What are "generic drivers")
08:29<opalepatrick>the driver
08:29<ratnick>bundled in the netinstall ISO
08:31<babilen>opalepatrick: You can run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-2.6-amd64" to install the kernel header metapackage from bdo. We still have to know how you installed the nvidia drivers in the first place though.
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08:31<babilen>opalepatrick: (use the appropriate package if you are not running amd64)
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08:33<opalepatrick>Actually babilen I have got the correct kernel headers (I wasn't clear) - what I meant was that I don’t exactly remember how installed the nvidia drivers. They fo relate to the 2.6.35 kernel though
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08:34<ratnick>I would comb through synaptic to see what is actually installed.
08:34<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" to please. I am also not entirely sure how well the stable nvidia package works with the backported kernel.
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08:37<babilen>opalepatrick: Yeah, you installed the pre-compiled modules for .32 -- You want to switch to DKMS. /me recommends "aptitude install -r nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64-"
08:39<babilen>opalepatrick: That command will remove nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 (note the - at the end) and install the DKMS package which automagically compiles the module for all installed kernels if their headers are available.
08:39<babilen>opalepatrick: The output of that command would be most enlightening ;)
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08:41<opalepatrick>babilen thanks a lot - I will paste the output
08:41<ratnick>Anyone want a homemade wallpaper?
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08:42<babilen>ratnick: → #debian-offtopic please :)
08:42<ratnick>ok sorry
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08:46<opalepatrick>babilen - - there was an error?
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08:48<babilen>opalepatrick: Yeah, there was an error. Please paste /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/195.36.31/build/make.log as well ... Looks as if the nvidia drivers don't work well with the backported kernel.
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08:49<opalepatrick>thanks for the help
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08:52<babilen>Hmm, I guess that you have to install the nvidia drivers from bdo as well ... (they have just recently been backported)
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08:55<babilen>opalepatrick: AFAICT only nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-support and nvidia-installer-cleanup are in bdo as of now ... Try running "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-support"
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08:55<babilen>opalepatrick: Not sure if the other packages are still being built or haven't been backported. Make sure that contrib/non-free is enabled for backports.
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08:56<babilen>.oO( Why are proprietary drivers always such a mess? )
08:58<daemonkeeper>1 pro·pri·e·tary - a business secretly owned by and run as a cover for an intelligence organization
08:58<daemonkeeper>Implied by the definition.
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09:02<babilen>anbe: Do your nvidia backports play nicely with the bdo kernel?
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09:04<opalepatrick>just enabling contrib non-free, do I re-run the prev command babilen?
09:06<babilen>opalepatrick: You enabled contrib and non-free for bdo and executed "apt-get update" already?
09:07<anbe>babilen, the nvidia backport didn't make it through, yet, waiting for my sponsor to do a new upload; the backport will work with all kernels that existed at the time the package was made (that would include a future 3.1 backport as well), but probably not future releases as 3.2
09:08<opalepatrick>deb squeeze main contrib non-free o this one and updated babilen
09:08<babilen>anbe: It very much looked that way -- thanks for clarifying this. Do you have any idea when the new version will be sponsored/make it into bdo? Does that mean that, as of now, the best way to get the nvidia drivers working with the bdo kernel is to built them manually from your VCS?
09:09<babilen>opalepatrick: Hang on :)
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09:09<opalepatrick>no worries thank you - interesting
09:11<anbe>babilen, whenever rra finds time to do the upload ... building from SVN should work fine (and now its even easier as nvidia-support and glx-alternatives are already in backports)
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09:12<babilen>anbe: Ok, thanks. Feel free to talk opalepatrick through it if you have time. I can do it in a few minutes, but have to do something else first.
09:13<opalepatrick>Thank you both. I would appreciate the help, but I am here for the duration anyway :-)
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09:17<babilen>opalepatrick: I'll be back in some time and will ping you. The problem we are facing now is that you need the backported nvidia drivers which, unfortunately, are not in bdo as of now. You therefore need to compile the packages yourself. You are after the squeeze-backport branch ...
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09:19<babilen>opalepatrick: You can get that with "svn co svn://" -- You furthermore need the actual upstream source, which (hopefully?) can be obtained by running "debian/rules get-orig-source" .. unpack that, copy the debian dir in there and run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us"
09:19<opalepatrick>thanks babilen - will follow that carefully :-)
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09:20<babilen>opalepatrick: I should note that these instructions are based on my debian package intuition and I am not sure if they apply to the nvidia drivers. I do not have any experience with anbe's packaging, but that should give you something to do until I am back :)
09:22<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, taking a look at it you probably have to run "debian/rules prepare-squeeze-backport" *before* building the package (the dpkg-buildpackage) -- I'll test it locally in a wee bit. Have fun and until later :)
09:22<anbe>opalepatrick, if you want to do it yourself, use svn:// and use the tarball from the version in testing
09:22<anbe>in that branch the backport preparation has been done already
09:23<opalepatrick>brilliant - I will have a go :-)#
09:23<babilen>anbe: Splendid! :)
09:23<babilen>opalepatrick: disregard the prepare-squeeze-backport comment. brb
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09:42<d_k>hi, please "apt-get upgrade" complies about unmet dependencies: "linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 : Depends: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common (= 2.6.32-38) but 2.6.32-39". Squeeze with backports here. Any ideas?
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09:43<id10t>'lo all
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09:50<opalepatrick>anbe - being a dunce here is that svn address related to a subversion repo and di I need it installed?
09:50<babilen>opalepatrick: Hei, do you make any progress?
09:50<opalepatrick>no babilen lol
09:50<opalepatrick>see comment just b4
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09:51<opalepatrick>I take it I need to install subversion then?
09:51<babilen>opalepatrick: Yes, you need to install subversion. Create a temporary directory (say ~/tmp) and run "svn co svn://" in there
09:54<babilen>opalepatrick: Once you have done that you can run "debian/rules get-orig-source" in the squeeze-backports directory. That will download the tarball from upstream -- Due to some minor version borkage you then have to run " mv nvidia-graphics-drivers_275.36.orig.tar.gz ../nvidia-graphics-drivers_280.13.really.275.36.orig.tar.gz" and change to the parent directory (cd ..)
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09:55<babilen>opalepatrick: The next thing to do is to unpack the newly downloaded tarball (tar xvzf nvidia-graphics-drivers_280.13.really.275.36.orig.tar.gz) and copy the debian/ directory in there (cp -r squeeze-backports/debian nvidia-graphics-drivers-275.36.orig/)
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09:58<babilen>opalepatrick: You will have to install the build-dependencies of that package (debhelper, bzip, dkms, libxext6, libxvmc1, quilt, ia32-libs) ... after you've done that you can "cd nvidia-graphics-drivers-275.36.orig" and run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" to compile the package
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10:04<opalepatrick>way back babilen
10:05<XeonBloomfield>I see that there is possibility to make program priority changing automatically as needed. How to do it?
10:05<opalepatrick>where is squeeze-backports directory babilen?
10:05<opalepatrick>sorry hit enter
10:06<opalepatrick>did use find cant find it :-)
10:06<babilen>opalepatrick: Once you've the svn co svn://... command you should have a squeeze-backports directory in the current directory
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10:06<babilen>opalepatrick: That would be ~/tmp/squeeze-backports/ if you used ~/tmp as suggested
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10:06<opalepatrick>honestly - feel silly now
10:06<opalepatrick>got it
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10:09<opalepatrick>got make: *** No rule to make target `get-orig-sourc'. Stop. babilen
10:09<opalepatrick>sorry ignore missed an e
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10:12<opalepatrick>back at debian/rules get-orig-source - get Error 127 - make: uscan: Command not found - make: *** [get-orig-source] Error 127 - babilen
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10:14<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, I have all those programs installed. uscan can be found in the devscripts package
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10:16<XeonBloomfield>How can I setup auto priority changes for apps? ;)
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10:16<babilen>XeonBloomfield: What is that?
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10:16<XeonBloomfield>verynice - auto renicing program, etc. if you record CD it make cdrecorder process more important
10:17<XeonBloomfield>it's the best app, or is there something similar?
10:17<XeonBloomfield>NFC? :P
10:18<babilen>XeonBloomfield: -- I also don't use it in the "no fat chicks" sense.
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10:20<XeonBloomfield>babilen: 2. meaning? ;)
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10:26<XeonBloomfield>babilen: Awesome! "and" was that was I was looking for... ;)
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10:27<babilen>opalepatrick: Is it working so far?
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10:28<XeonBloomfield>babilen: I suggest you checking it (for e.g. on VM) ;)
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10:37<ovidiu>can someone tell me about backports ?
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10:38<babilen>!tell ovidiu -about backports
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10:40<ovidiu>thank you
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10:41<babilen>ovidiu: Feel free to ask if you have further questions
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10:43<babilen>opalepatrick: ping
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10:44<opalepatrick>Sorry babilen - sidetracked with real world stuf. brb
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10:47<opalepatrick>just running debian/rules get-orig-source after installing devscripts - interestingly, it is hanging while loading nvidia-graphics-drivers
10:49<opalepatrick>at this point babilen -
10:50<babilen>opalepatrick: It's not hanging -- give it some time
10:50<opalepatrick>ok cool
10:50<opalepatrick>got me worried :-)
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10:51<babilen>opalepatrick: but it looks as if your uscan version has problems with the watch file ... lets see if it completes.
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10:59<opalepatrick>babilen - it did complete with error
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11:03<opalepatrick>there is an Nvidia run file in there
11:04<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, two ways to deal with this problem: Backport devscripts from sid as explained in "/msg dpkg ssb" or let me upload the orig.tar.gz somewhere. The former is the proper way and the latter easier/faster for you :)
11:04<babilen>But let me reproduce this on squeeze -- one second please.
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11:05<opalepatrick>cheers babilen
11:05<babilen>opalepatrick: You can backport devscripts in the meanwhile
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11:14<babilen>opalepatrick: Hmm, It works fine in my squeeze guest :-/ -- Could you run "debian/rules get-orig-source" again?
11:14<opalepatrick>I can
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11:24<SpComb>how can I tell if my libvirt on debian Squeeze recognizes and supports kvm virtual machines?
11:24<SpComb>someone else created two vm's on this new box, but it seems they're just qemu-emulated and dog-slow
11:25<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: /dev/kvm
11:25<SpComb>yes, the kernel has kvm
11:25<SpComb>the question is, does libvirt know to use it
11:26<SpComb>i.e. the libvirt docs say "# KVM hypervisor: The driver will probe /usr/bin for the presence of qemu-kvm and /dev/kvm device node. If both are found, then KVM fullyvirtualized, hardware accelerated guests will be available. "
11:26<SpComb>but debian doesn't have a /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
11:26<XeonBloomfield>install "qemu-kvm"
11:26<SpComb>I have /usr/bin/kvm
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11:26<XeonBloomfield>it's a bug
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11:26<XeonBloomfield>as you see
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11:26<XeonBloomfield>link /usr/bin/kvm to /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
11:26<SpComb>but for whatever reason, the two vm's that were created on this box ended up as just plain non-kvm qemu vms
11:26<XeonBloomfield>and it will be working
11:27<XeonBloomfield>Are you reading what I am writing?
11:27<SpComb>so I'm wondering how to figure out if these libvirt tools grok kvm
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11:27<XeonBloomfield>Did you understood what libvirt message mean?
11:27<SpComb>what libvirt message?
11:27<XeonBloomfield>run that command:
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11:28<XeonBloomfield>sudo ln -s /usr/bin/kvm /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
11:28<SpComb>my question is; how do I ask libvirt/virsh if it does kvm machines
11:28<XeonBloomfield>and it will be working
11:28<XeonBloomfield>HOLY ****
11:28<SpComb>XeonBloomfield: I'm slightly dubious that such a major bug as a missing /usr/bin/qemu-kvm would slip by into a stable debian release
11:28<XeonBloomfield>you have that written
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11:28<SpComb>i.e. is there something in the output of `virsh capabilites` that would tell me if it supports kvm?
11:29<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: kvm and qemu-kvm is the same app
11:29<XeonBloomfield>sudo ln -s /usr/bin/kvm /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
11:29<XeonBloomfield>and enjoy working libvirt with KVM
11:29<SpComb>do you have some BTS link for that?
11:29<XeonBloomfield>it's not a bug
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11:29<XeonBloomfield>it's a feature ;)
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11:30<SpComb>or rather, the real question is 'why did the other guy using virt-manager manage to create a plain-qemu vm'
11:31<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: normally? :P
11:31<XeonBloomfield>run command which I send
11:31<XeonBloomfield>it will make you working libvirt with KVM
11:33<opalepatrick>Sorry babilen - I have a plumber and a builder here at the same time! - Just running as before
11:33<opalepatrick>waitng for ftp doenload
11:33<babilen>opalepatrick: How dare you! ;) -- it's fine. Just take your time!
11:34<opalepatrick>ok that has downloaded without errors this time babilen
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11:34<SpComb>XeonBloomfield: I'm not going to go creating random symlinks in my /usr/bin/ unless I find a debian bug that tells me I have to do that as a workaround
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11:34<babilen>opalepatrick: Great, please continue and ping when you run into problems or if one of the steps is unclear.
11:35<opalepatrick>thanks babilen
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11:38<opalepatrick>babilen what folder should that tar be in? (it was in /tmp/squeeze-backports and I moved it up to tmp
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11:38<babilen>opalepatrick: Did you rename it?
11:39<opalepatrick>followed your command babilen - yes I did
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11:40<babilen>Ok, then go into ~/tmp and unpack it
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11:41<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: It is not a bug, it is a feature.
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11:41<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: If you want to argue with me here - go ahead, but you will show that you do not know much about KVM
11:42<SpComb>I'm not here to argue
11:42<SpComb>I'm trying to verify that my kvm setup is sane
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11:43<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: qemu-kvm was an other branch of qemu and it was named "kvm". In Lenny you had "kvm" package - in Squeeze you have "qemu-kvm" which provides /usr/bin/kvm which is qemu-kvm
11:44<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: There is no package in Debian Squeeze's repository which contain "/usr/bin/qemu-kvm"!
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11:45<SpComb>but it seems that changing <domain type='...'> was enough to go from plain qemu to kvm
11:47<XeonBloomfield>SpComb: just link it and it will be working - trust me
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11:47<SpComb>XeonBloomfield: it's apparently working fine now - without the symlink
11:48<SpComb>I was just trying to diagnose first, I only changed the type="..." now
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11:48<SpComb>i.e. libvirt invokes /usr/bin/kvm with -enable-kvm now
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11:57<opalepatrick>getting a checksum error on build babilen
11:58<opalepatrick>want the output? - long... or just the error bit at the end?
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12:00<SpComb>but yeah, virt-manager is of the opinion that kvm is not available
12:01<nitwit>ok. i couldn't get used to a bourne shell so i installed xdm. that fixed. not really happy about x starting immediatly but hey i almost never logout but have to spend ages in shell.
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12:17<opalepatrick>babilen, - this is the bit at the end after the perl stuff
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12:55<opalepatrick>afaik this is to do with a corrupt download? Maybe do it again
12:56<babilen>opalepatrick: Sorry, I've been afk (and will be for a little longer) -- It looks as it is due to a corrupt or wrong download. *sigh*
12:56<babilen>opalepatrick: I'll ping you later, ok?
12:57<opalepatrick>OK, I will rinse and repeat. Yeah thanks for your help babilen. I had a week like that last week :-)
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12:59<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, good luck -- AFAICT my instructions should work (I've tested them on sid though and only tried the download on squeeze). Until later!
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14:12<babilen>opalepatrick: Any progress?
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14:18<opalepatrick>Hi babilen - re-downloaded tar just going through the process now. Same prob as you - afk all the time
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14:19<opalepatrick>keep getting a 500 cant use undefined value as symbol reference
14:19<babilen>Hmm, may I see that?
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14:20<opalepatrick>same as b4 babilen - I think -
14:21<babilen>*before* !
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14:22<babilen>Strange, I really don't have that problem. Should I put the orig.tar.gz online somewhere?
14:23<opalepatrick>if you have it babilen - it might get around this problem? What doi you reckon?
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14:25<babilen>I'm just uploading everything. One second.
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14:27<XeonBloomfield>by the way - better to write "High-performance Internet access." or "High-speed Internet access."?
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14:29<opalepatrick>are yu in Europe or US babilen
14:29<babilen>opalepatrick: UK -- And I really should have uploaded that while I still had access to copious amount of bandwidth
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14:30<opalepatrick>Well thanks for doing this so late
14:30<opalepatrick>I am in Malta
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14:37<babilen>opalepatrick: pm ok?
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15:28<opalepatrick>cheers babilen - so, I should untar this and then rename and follow as previously?
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15:29<opalepatrick>etc etc
15:30<babilen>opalepatrick: That contains all already compiled packages -- They have been signed with my key (CAF14EFC) ... you should be able to just install them with "dpkg -i PKG" -- You probably need to install nvidia-support and nvidia-kernel-common from backports first
15:31<opalepatrick>OK brilliant thanks very much for going out of your way much appreciated
15:31<babilen>opalepatrick: You could compile the package again, but it is not absolutely necessary. My GPG key has been signed by moray (DD) whose key should be in the developers keyring.
15:32<sney>did you backport the nvidia driver?
15:32<babilen>sney: yeah
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15:33<pwr>i managed to setup mdadm last night. wohoo. how do I test it? I can't yank a disk but is there a command i can type that would 'simulate' a drive failure ?
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15:34<pwr>babilen: nice one :)
15:34<jhutchins_lt>pwr: Most people just remove a disk.
15:34<pwr>jhutchins_lt: it's a remote box..
15:34<madduck>pwr: --set-faulty, --remove, --add
15:34<madduck>jhutchins_lt: seriously, don't…
15:35<pwr>madduck: your book arrived today ;-)
15:35<madduck>happy reading
15:35<pwr>madduck: indeed :))
15:35<madduck>it's good to be reminded that i should try hard to make time again for a 2nd edition
15:35<jhutchins_lt>madduck: I don't mess with RAID.
15:35<pwr>madduck: I'll buy the second one, just give me a chance to read the 1st. It's on my Xmas to-do list
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15:36<jhutchins_lt>madduck: The people who I know usually don't just yank a hot drive, they power down and pull one.
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15:36<madduck>rule #1 about mdadm: it basically just works, trust it; rule #2 about mdadm: if something appears fishy, do NOT panic; rule #3 about mdadm: if you do not know what you are doing, make sure you have a block-level backup/image, or someone around who has a clue.
15:36<madduck>jhutchins_lt: --set-faulty does exactly the same.
15:37<madduck>pwr: it does not exist yet, the 2nd edition
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15:37<pwr>madduck: well i set it up and put lvm over the top. just wanted to be sure it actually works before i put production stuff onto the box
15:37<madduck>only amazon sells it already
15:37<pwr>madduck: how can they sell it if it doesn't exist?
15:37<madduck>pwr: if /proc/mdstat looks good, it works.
15:37<madduck>pwr: amazon can.
15:37<pwr>amazon are b*****ds
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15:38<madduck>they are stupid for sure
15:38<pwr>madduck: md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1]
15:38<madduck>you're fine ;)
15:38<djallel>how r u
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15:39<madduck>then again, most book stores attributed my book to 19th century french volcanic researcher Maurice Kraft.
15:39<pwr>madduck: that is hilarious
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15:41<pwr>I might go read that book now :) night all
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15:50<djallel>what's up
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16:02<morou>I always have a problem when install debian testing on desktop... and dont known howto install sun-java6-jre ... why it is in debian sqeeze repo but in testing repo insn't there?? in testing are newest programs
16:03<morou>can you tell me howto correcly install sun-java6-jre?
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16:03<morou>from oficial website only?
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16:03<retrospectacus>oracle has stopped sun java from being in debian as of wheezy
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16:04<morou>hmm but only on sun java polish chat on working correcly
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16:04<morou>so i need it
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16:06<vitor>Hi, I have installed Debian Squeeze in a VirtualBox machine. When I try to play an audio file (through sox or vlc for example) I get no sound in my host speakers. Google wasn't very helpful.
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16:06<retrospectacus>morou: /msg dpkg java
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16:07<retrospectacus>vitor: that's not what virtual machines are for...
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16:08<retrospectacus>you'll want to ask in a virtual box channel though, we just know debian
16:08<morou>retrospectacus: dont understand
16:08<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell morou about java
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16:08<anton>Здравствуйте! Здесь кто-нибудь говорит по русски?
16:08<retrospectacus>morou: read what dpkg said to you and the links provided, you should be able to get it working
16:09<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:09<vitor>retrospectacus: I know, but I want to use the vm to convert audio files and I need to test the resulting files
16:10<djallel>hell o
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16:10<morou>retrospectacus: dpkg said that i dont have java... the chats from web will work on the others java for ezaple openjdk?
16:10<morou>retrospectacus: dpkg said that i dont have java... the chats from web will work on the others java for exapmle openjdk?
16:11<retrospectacus>morou: no idea
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16:15<vitor>retrospectacus: I also have a vm running ubuntu and all works fine
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16:15*retrospectacus has never used virtualbox or ubnuntu
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16:19<scraze>vitor: how is the audio for the VM configured in VirtualBox ? also, have you installed the guest's guest additions (i.e. from squeeze's repository) or the one provided by the host (which is newer if the host is newer than squeeze)
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16:22<vitor>scraze: the audio is the default, windows directsound ICH AC97 ; my guest additions are those of the host (Win7 pro)
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16:37<chaosIrssi>is there a way to make irssi use a different shade of blue?
16:38<scraze>vitor: can't find any specific information about that.. you could try some of the default things like check whether squeeze recognises the virtual soundcard (e.g. cat /proc/asound/cards), check whether all relevant channels are not muted & on the right volume (alsamixer for instance), and check whether squeeze is running pulseaudio (lsof /dev/snd/* or ps aux | grep pulseaudio) which makes debugging just a bit more difficult .. I know
16:38<scraze>nothing about Win7 but perhaps you could try different virtualbox sound settings
16:38<babilen>chaosIrssi: Sure, just use a different theme
16:39<scraze>vitor: and though unlikely you may have more success with squeeze's own guest additions (which are in its repository)
16:39<chaosIrssi>umm... i only want to change the dark blue cos it's so dark on my black background it's impossible to see
16:40<opalepatrick>Thanks again babilen
16:41<babilen>opalepatrick: You are welcome -- ping if you run into problem with those
16:41<babilen>chaosIrssi: Change your current theme in that case
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16:42<chaosIrssi>i see there are endless possibilities on but ... can't i just change the code for a single color? :(
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16:44<babilen>chaosIrssi: Sure, the default theme is commented (it is still a pain) -- #irssi on might know more than we though
16:44<chaosIrssi>thx, babilen :)
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16:49<babilen>chaosIrssi: I honestly can't remember which variable you have to change for the background -- Here is my theme: to be used with (~/.Xresources for urxvt)
16:49<babilen>chaosIrssi: Good luck! :)
16:50<chaosIrssi>i have no .Xresources :) or i just can't find it
16:50<chaosIrssi>wait a minute ... i'm using console irssi, not Xirssi
16:50<chaosIrssi>change dark blue into something else in irssi?
16:50<chaosIrssi>22:47 < Khimera> type:
16:50<chaosIrssi>khm.. oops :P
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16:52<babilen>chaosIrssi: Ah, that ~/.Xresources is meant for urxvt in Xorg -- You can use the irssi theme regardless of that though
16:52<lo>how much bandwidth is required (pcm) to be a Debian mirror (more or less)
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16:53<chaosIrssi>why would you wanna be a mirror?
16:53<babilen>lo: Are you seriously considering to maintain a mirror for Debian?
16:54<chaosIrssi>i would say as a thumb rule... if you have to ask bw you don't have enough :)
16:54<lo>I'd like to do something useful like that. If I could. But I have no idea how much traffic the mirrors take. I'm guessing a lot, hence my Q :)
16:54<lo>babilen: either that or help with translation for teh Italian team
16:54<babilen>lo: I can't tell you off-hand, but contains some information
16:54<lo>babilen: thanks
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16:55<babilen>lo: I would recommend the translation though -- Maintaining a mirror really is a long-term obligation
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16:55<babilen>lo: If you have the bandwidth, time and money to do so you could discuss it in #debian-mirrors
16:55<lo>babilen: I've joined the translations mailing list. I'll ask there
16:56<lo>babilen: ok thanks for the pointers
16:56<babilen>lo: Have fun!
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19:06<nah>got one problem- every time i change resolution in my kde from default 1600x1400 to 1280x1024 my screen is shrinked horizontaly, how to fix this?
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19:07<nah>its debian testing but problem is with stable also, card- intel gma 950
19:08<nah>supported out of the box via kernel
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20:12<Athawarl>my Intel 80GB SSD broke after only 1.5 years of having it. I made sure there was no logging and set the fstab stuff right. Suddenly failed
20:12<Athawarl>what do I do?
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20:13<diederik>check your warrenty?
20:14<Athawarl>I threw away the box and all that shit long ago
20:14<Athawarl>do SSDs always die like this, and why?
20:14<Athawarl>I know with HDDs the arms fail and stuff
20:14<Athawarl>why do SSDs just die
20:14<Athawarl>they were supposed to be better than hdds
20:15<diederik>you could check the website of the manufacturer
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20:15<Athawarl>I was running debain on it
20:15<Athawarl>did debian kill my SSD
20:15<diederik>mechanical stuff can break, 'no matter' which technology is used. That's what backups are for
20:15<Athawarl>the SSD cost 200 dollars
20:15<Athawarl>SSDs arent mechanical
20:16<Athawarl>all electrical and solid state
20:16<Athawarl>that's why they're supposed to not break like HDDs
20:16<Athawarl>nope you said mechanical
20:16<Athawarl>can't just change you're declaration now
20:16<Athawarl>do you even know what an SSD is?
20:17<diederik>so you think SSD are foul-proof and can not break?
20:17<Athawarl>btw CPUs don't seem to ever break
20:17<Athawarl>got CPUs from ancient times, still fine
20:17<Athawarl>solid state electronics
20:17<Athawarl>usually seem to be pretty resiliant
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20:17<Athawarl>so why aren't SSDs
20:17<Athawarl>oh getting mad now diederik?
20:17<diederik>ok, that's scientific proof that they are unfallible.
20:18<babilen>Athawarl: May I suggest #debian-offopic, #random-rambling-about-broken-hardware or ##hardware (freenode)
20:18<Athawarl>now you're just being obtuse
20:18<diederik>you start making nonsense arguments ...
20:18<Athawarl>how about looking up what an SSD is first
20:18<retrospectacus>Athawarl: complain to the manufacturer, not us... what possible response could we have for you??
20:18<Athawarl>retrospectacus: since you are a loser computer geek fag...
20:18<Athawarl>you could tell me /why/ ssds are /less/ reliable than HDDs
20:18<retrospectacus>lol and you're a smart guy
20:19<retrospectacus>no thanks, cya
20:19<Athawarl>something no one has yet wrote about
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20:20<babilen>Athawarl: You have been silenced for ten minutes. I would be happy if you wouldn't insult people who try to help you in the future.
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20:36<sisk>In a multi monitor setup is there a way to force certain apps to always reside on a specific screen?
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20:38<funkyHat>sisk: which window manager are you using?
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20:40<Athawarl>anyone here a mohmedian with a 6 or 9 year old wife?
20:40<sisk>I'm not right now. I'm still planning the project, so I can use whatever WM will work best.
20:40<Athawarl>arab spring?
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20:41<Athawarl>sisk: ah, not one right now, but still planning on becoming one, projected in the future, you can use whatever WoMan that will work best (regardless of age)
20:41<Athawarl>interesting response
20:41<Athawarl>sisk: I thought SSDs were supposed to be more reliable than HDDS
20:42<Athawarl>they are not
20:42<Athawarl>they die quick
20:42<sisk>Heh, sorry, was talking to funkyHat.
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20:42<funkyHat>sisk: compiz has an option for it, so I would assume kwin does too (but can't confirm)
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20:44<sisk>funkyHat: That might work. I haven't used kwin in years, but the layout could work well for what I have planned.
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21:19*blaster good day all ^.^
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21:28<arand_>I'm having trouble installing testing, It claims "No kernel module loaded (...) likely mismatch with archive" And subsequently (I think consequently) fails to detect my network card, I've tried both with firmware- netinst, and the CD for testing.
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22:23<MrFrood>Install stable and then upgrade
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22:31<Arand>Seems like it works with the businesscard, I'll go the long way around otherwise, yeah.
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23:00<Athawarl>my Intel 80GB SSD broke after only 1.5 years of having it. I made sure there was no logging and set the fstab stuff right. Suddenly failed
23:01<JoeKickass>go on
23:02<LK->That's fairly normal for SSDs.
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23:19<eightyeight>does isc-dhcpd support multiple "ddns-domainname" declarations in dhcpd.conf(5)?
23:20<blaster>support multiple "ddns-domainname" <<<<<<< used unbound sir?
23:21<eightyeight>ddns-domainname ""; ddns-domainname "";
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23:38<kristianpaul>argh uefi sucks.. :-|
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