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---Logopened Tue Nov 29 00:01:00 2011
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01:03<help132521>hi can you please help me? i have installed the debian stable and switched the sources list to the unstable after it downoloaded everything it gives me an error within dselect "could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. how do i fix that? thanks
01:05<sney>well, first of all, most of gnome/g* stuff is broken in unstable right now because it's changing from gnome 2 to 3
01:05<vladuke>help132521: you can try uprade from stable to testing, and then to unstable.
01:05<sney>and second, why would you try to use unstable without checking, at the very least,
01:06<sney>vladuke: that's not the problem. libgstreamer immediate configuration thing is happening to everyone trying to use gnome on sid right now. only way to avoid it is with pinning, or not bothering with gnome
01:06<mosno>sney: i must have got lucky, gnome3 installed perfectly for me the other day
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01:07<sney>yeah, that's the thing about unstable. it's _unstable_. sometimes shit works, sometimes it doesn't, and most of the time it's a surprise! hooray!
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01:13<szacs>hello all
01:14<szacs>does anybody have an ideea why is this constanly repeat in my kernel log?
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01:16<jm_>are you using ubuntu?
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01:17<szacs>no i'm using debian stable
01:17<tensorpudding>szacs, that happens to me too, on my ubuntu laptop
01:17<tensorpudding>i assume it has to do with media keys
01:17<szacs>i have a dell inspiron 1501
01:17<jm_>does it happen when you press a certain key or just out of the blue?
01:18<szacs>i dont have extra keys, just some Function keys using the Fn Key
01:18<tensorpudding>it doesn't hurt anything though, that i can tell
01:18<szacs>i don't even tuch my laptop it is in the kernel log at startup
01:19<szacs>it is repeating a few hunred times in the log
01:19<jm_>well I would try with the command it recommends
01:19<szacs>i just copied the 2 rows that are repeating
01:20<szacs>but at what key should it refer<
01:20<jm_>the second one has a command
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01:21<szacs>yes, but i wounder which keys does it reffer to
01:21<szacs>i saw that comand
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01:21<jm_>showkey shall help
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01:22<szacs>should i just use "showkey" simply or is a more complex command?
01:23<jm_>i'm affraid I don't remember and can't test it now
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01:25<szacs>ok, so i should find out which key is "e00d" right?
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01:25<szacs>that's all
01:25<szacs>and after that i could use it with the command given in the log
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01:27<jm_>well yeah, but you don't really need to know which key it is I guess
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01:31<szacs>thank you
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01:33<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
01:33<jm_>no worries, I didn't help much anyway
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01:39<dpkg>ultimo78: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con
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02:17<metaspike>whoops, while messing around yesterday i nerfed my user accounts group policies. what's an easy way to get the "vanilla" groups back for a user account?
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02:23<errr>metaspike: just usermod your way back.
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02:27<errr>metaspike: also if you used adduser take a look at /etc/adduser.conf
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02:37<qdb>hello. are nvidia drivers trustable? does any body check them against rootkits etc?
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02:44<metaspike>qdb, i'm guessing you mean the nonfree drivers? I havent had any problems with nvidia-kernel-dkms or nvidia-glx, and you can get some information here with the package tracker: ie
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02:47<metaspike>and the package tracking system appears to be down... v_v
02:48<qdb>thank you
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02:50<metaspike>ok, it's not -down- but it does report 404's if a non-existant package name is entered to the search box, hrrm.
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02:53<opalepatrick>babilen ping
02:54<nah>got one problem- every time i change resolution in my kde from default 1600x1400 to 1280x1024 my screen is shrinked horizontaly, how to fix this?
02:54<nah>its debian testing but problem is with stable also, card- intel gma 950
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03:01<yohann>nah : 1600*1400 is not a standart resolution, try 1600*1200 to conserve the 4/3
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03:03<yohann>nah : are you sure than your screen is ok to use this résolution !
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03:19<metaspike>nah, take a look at xrandr, you can observe and set your resolution with it (not sure about kde's method)
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03:34<bro>hi guys. anybody here using samba on 11.10? i'm trying to access a shared folder on windows 7 machine from ubuntu but i get this error: "failed to mount windows share". accessing ubuntu share from windows, no problem.
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03:35<_spOOn_>bro: might want to try ubuntu
03:35<_spOOn_>this is debian channel
03:35<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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03:36<opalepatrick>babilen, any chance u can find time to upload that package again? saved in tmp last night, thought do it fresh in the morning, closed down, tmp emptied, went to re-download, file now gone... went running down the road screaming... just off to do it again.
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03:38<bro>ok, thanks _sp00n_
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04:00<ertertert1>hi everyone
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04:08<Sicelo>hi ertertert1
04:12<ertertert1>hi sicelo
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04:58<lo>hi all. are there currently issues connecting to I'm getting connection errors
05:00<vladuke>lo: nope.
05:01<jm_>lo: is not just one host
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05:02<lo>jm_: yeah i know. silly me a related / establlished rule had been dropped. my box was just dropping the incoming traffic from them :(
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05:07<micha-->i just read the description of the ocrodjvu package: I think this isn't proper english language ("especially suited for archival of books with high quality", "to higher the accessibility"...) Opinions? (Native speakers?)
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05:25<amphi>micha--: 'to higher' is not good; 'to enhance' or 'to improve' perhaps
05:27<micha-->and "for archival books with high quality"? as i understand it, it means "this is suited for good books" not "this is suited for good archival of books". is this only me? how do you read it?
05:27<micha-->opps, "for archival of books with high quality"
05:30<amphi>no, I wouldn't read it as you did, but it's not a happy phrase
05:30<amphi>"for high quality archival of books" would remove the ambiguity
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05:32<micha-->ok, thx
05:33<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, I've uploaded them again
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05:40<joel>hello I have a problem xscreensaver in gnome 3.2 doesn't show rss-glx screensavers
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06:01<philipp>hey someone has a idea where centerim is saveing its config?
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06:04<philipp>anyone here? is there a console nerd channel or sth like that?
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06:06<philipp>okey guys thx for the ban yesturday... now i can see noone is here at all -.-
06:06<rudi_s>philipp: man centerim might help, normally it's either in ~/ or in ~/.config/
06:06<damiano>hi. Is there any settings to configure fonts accurately?
06:07<rudi_s>philipp: Answers take a while on IRC (sometimes hours), be patient.
06:07<damiano>i've been having this prob ever since i got onto linux.. still haven't solved it entirely.. though the great deal has been resolved.. but still a few things left..
06:08<damiano>sans serif/Arial bold fonts look blurry in Iceweasel and Chromium.. in Opera it's ok, but i need Iceweasel
06:08<damiano>i dunno why Opera ignores those settings...
06:09<damiano>but that's a good thing
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06:09<damiano>i need the same in Iceweasel
06:09<damiano>another thing.. i'm using microsoft fonts with sharp fonts script.
06:09<damiano>my desktop and apps are ok
06:09<damiano>however, if i use sans serif or arial for anything it would still be blurry just like in browsers
06:10<damiano>but i need it to be sharp...
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06:13<damiano>the prob is.. i have a CRT monitor with low res (800x600), so i can't stand those anti-aliased fonts..
06:13<damiano>and yet i don't want them to look broken
06:13<damiano>i need it just like in windows.
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06:14<damiano>and it seems really hard to configure it this way in Debian.
06:14<damiano>or on any other distribution of linux probably.
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06:16<GIANKS>Hi all
06:17<joel>@damiano are you using gnome?
06:18<joel>what version 2.x?
06:18<GIANKS>I' trying to make an adhoc network always getting error OPERATION NOT SUPPORTED
06:19<joel>there should be 3 menu items in the panel, assumed you are using gnome 2
06:19<GIANKS>I'm using debian testing with kernel 2.6.28
06:19<GIANKS>Sorry 2.6.38
06:19<damiano>yeah, 2.30
06:20<damiano>and yes, i can tell the difference between 2.x and 3.0 :)
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06:20<damiano>it's not that hard, everything looks different in the latest one
06:20<damiano>which i don't really like..
06:20<GIANKS>I've tried with a usb aaapter too with same results
06:21<damiano>joel, i can tell not only by menu, but by icons and stuff... it's pretty clear it's 2.30 :)
06:21<damiano>and i just know it. Checked About thing and other stuff. I'm kinda advanced beginner if anything.
06:22<joel>go to font settings
06:22<GIANKS>I'm sure i was able to in the past... Something changed...
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06:24<damiano>joel, erm...
06:24<damiano>joel, why would i do that? I know what there is..
06:24<GIANKS>I've read over google that after 2.6.28 CRDA is required
06:24<damiano>joel, anti-aliasing and hinting, right
06:24<damiano>joel, so? )
06:24<damiano>joel, i've done it many times man...
06:24<GIANKS>I've installed it but didn't help
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06:24<damiano>joel, let me explain... now those settings don't work. Because i've installed a script.
06:25<damiano>joel, but even if i didn't.... i know what happens. Yes, i can make fonts sharp by turning off anti-aliasing completely, but that's not quite what i want.
06:25<damiano>joel, i need OPTIONAL anti-aliasing.
06:25<damiano>joel, for every font
06:25<damiano>joel, by default it's not accurate.
06:25<damiano>that's the prob!
06:26<damiano>i dunno if you understand what i mean..
06:26<damiano>in the settings it's just common thing...
06:26<damiano>i mean it works for ALL fonts whatsoever
06:26<damiano>but i don't need that, i still need anti-aliasing, but not for everything
06:26<s_i_m>I do it in such a way that only large and bold fonts are antialiased
06:26<damiano>i have the same thing!
06:27<damiano>but i don't like it
06:27<damiano>i mean... it's only browsers basically that give me that headache.. and only Iceweasel and Chromium. Opera doesn't have that, and it's great. Dunno why, but it works differently. But i need Iceweasel, that's the thing..
06:27<damiano>s_i_m, well, because it looks ugly
06:28<damiano>s_i_m, you see.. i have CRT monitor with 800x600 res...
06:28<philipp>guys someone know a pdf viewer for text mode only?
06:28<damiano>s_i_m, so i see every pixel.. and i'm used to clear pixelized fonts like on windows.
06:28<s_i_m>damiano, for a CRT i would recommend turning of antialiasing completely
06:28<damiano>s_i_m, in windows anti-aliasing works too, BUT... it's more accurate, it's optional. Some things are anti-aliased, but they don't catch your eye
06:29<damiano>s_i_m, uh-huh.. don't work that way. Thing would look broken! I've tried it already..
06:29<damiano>s_i_m, i mean.. it's ok, but sometimes font looks ugly and bitten off... if you know what i mean
06:29<s_i_m>damiano, try installing windows fonts then
06:29<damiano>s_i_m, i did
06:29<damiano>s_i_m, i
06:29<damiano>s_i_m, i'm using Tahoma.
06:29<s_i_m>still not satisfied?
06:29<damiano>s_i_m, well....
06:30<damiano>s_i_m, i just want my Iceweasel fonts to be the same as Opera. Why Opera has nice set of fonts, tell me?
06:30<damiano>s_i_m, i assume it's possible to do the same to the rest of the browsers. But HOW?
06:30<philipp>is there a way i can get detailed informations of a package with apt-get?
06:31<s_i_m>I think it is the same fonts always, just the freetype or fontconfig settings are different
06:31<damiano>s_i_m, it's not fonts what the prob is... it's that anti-aliasing thing which is not setup accurately... i mean i wanna choose what to be anti-aliased and what not!
06:31<damiano>s_i_m, well, of course those are the same fonts, i know
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06:31<damiano>s_i_m, they're just displayed differently.
06:31<s_i_m>philipp, apt-cache show <pkg-name>
06:32<damiano>s_i_m, but you know what.. saying that you have the same kinda chills me out..
06:32<damiano>s_i_m, at least i'm not alone.
06:32<damiano>s_i_m, but it hurts my eyes sometimes...
06:33<GIANKS>Please guy help me find out what is my wireless stack doing!!! :-(
06:33<damiano>s_i_m, and no, i can't turn anti-aliasing off completely, because then i'll have another prob. Everything would look ripped.
06:33<damiano>s_i_m, not everything, but some things..
06:33<damiano>s_i_m, and some fonts.
06:33<s_i_m>GIANKS, give us some details.
06:34<damiano>s_i_m, italic... sans serif... etc
06:34<s_i_m>damiano, you may define preferred fonts in fontconfig
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06:34<s_i_m>or just deinstall the wrong ones
06:34<damiano>s_i_m, you know, i can even change fonts in Iceweasel itself, to substitute all those which are blurry to something else. BUT.... i want it to be standard by default. I don't want to use my own...
06:35<s_i_m>if you do not want to tweak your sustem, come back to windouz =)
06:35<GIANKS>Ok, as i've done for years, to setup ad hoc net i've issued: iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
06:35<damiano>s_i_m, fair enough
06:36<damiano>s_i_m, but you know what, i have something better in mind
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06:36<damiano>s_i_m, if linux makers DON'T want to PRE-CONFIGURE their products nicely, at least those things i'm really not supposed to be messing with, then i'll go to windows.
06:36<damiano>i think that sounds better.
06:37<damiano>i'd bother myself with solving really serious probs, but fonts..... common, that's kinda too much.
06:37<GIANKS>s_i_m i'm running 2.6.38
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06:38<philipp>someone know how to find best programms for command line only with apt-get? is there a way so filter out all programs that need a gui?
06:38<metaspike>s_i_m, in iceweasel, use address: about:config then enter "font" in the filter box, you get heaps of settings that way.
06:38<damiano>it's any program that doesn't say "GUI" in description usually
06:39<mosno>philipp: perhaps try debtags
06:39<philipp>damiano so how can i filter it out on apt-cache is the important thing
06:40<damiano>philipp, just find a list of console progs somewhere and there you go..
06:40<damiano>that's what i'd do.
06:40<damiano>and no, i haven't seen no filter anywhere.
06:40<damiano>it's designed on premature knowledge i guess.
06:41<damiano>i mean.. that you know it in advance..
06:42<damiano>metaspike, that's not him, but hey, thanks... actually i've looked it up once or twice.. but couldn't find anything to do with fonts.
06:43<metaspike>philipp, ive found" aptitude search " gives tighter search results, otherwise just run "aptitude" and use search from the drop down menu, from which you can limit search results ;)
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06:44<lo>philipp: aptitude interactive?
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06:45<damiano>metaspike,there's nothing about anti-aliasing..
06:46<damiano>metaspike, but i wish there was "smart" anti-aliasing.. like i could choose what to be anti-aliased, what font size should be anti-aliased etc... now that would be a nice thing.
06:46<damiano>otherwise it's rubbish...
06:47<philipp>metaspike ye i tried to avoid installing aptitude but its the much better tool
06:47<damiano>i believe it must be done not in Iceweasel.. but in some inner GTK settings...
06:47<damiano>which i can't find, sorry. When it comes down to Gnome shit i ain't even bother with that.
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06:47<damiano>nothing can be solved in it :)
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06:49<metaspike>damiano, one would think that gfx.use_text_smoothing_setting;true would do it, but it doesn't actually do much for me. hmmm
06:49<damiano>let me try it.
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06:49<elench>HI not sure if right place to ask but why does iceweasel seem to butcher every site I have and show me a different layout/color for every site I have when compared to chromium or any browser on windows?
06:49<damiano>it has false parameter by default
06:49<metaspike>sure does.
06:50<damiano>elench, that's your own personal bug. Nobody else has it.
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06:50<damiano>alright.. let me just restart it..
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06:50<elench>damiano :/ after looking at mintlinux-debian and debian fresh install
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06:50<elench>I have this problem
06:50<damiano>i see
06:51<damiano>metaspike, alright, it didn't do anything for me either
06:51<damiano>metaspike, so yeah.. it's GTK settings. Actually, if you use the same fonts for your desktop they would be the same blurry.
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06:51<damiano>metaspike, if they're bold that is.
06:51<elench>damiano: thx for the insult
06:52<damiano>elench, sorry, i can't help you
06:52<damiano>elench, what insult?
06:52<damiano>elench, i just said that what you're saying is not a common problem
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06:52<damiano>elench, unlike FONTS problem everybody's having actually, but some people just don't care. But absolutely everyone has some issues.
06:53<damiano>elench, so again, sorry, but i dunno what your problem is. In fact, i dunno what MY problem is.
06:53<elench>nothing just if you don;t want to elp or don;t give a *** then don't say anything beside "it's your faut, nopbody has this problem" douchebag reply.
06:53<elench>it's not a font problem this is default install.
06:53<damiano>elench, why don't you just chill?
06:53<cthuluh>or shut the fuck up
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06:54<damiano>cthuluh, nah.. leave it man, i understand this guy.
06:54<elench>I ask a quesiton get an insult and I am a douchebag
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06:54<damiano>listen, i didn't mean to insult you
06:55<damiano>i only said that problems can be more or less common
06:55<damiano>and your problem is less common, that's basically it
06:55<damiano>sorry that my reply wasn't the solution to your problem though.
06:56<cthuluh>assuming that someone else has broken your system is arrogant ; plus, reacting dumbly when people are just saying facts diserves insults
06:56<damiano>i just said it so you'd know it won't be easy to find out.
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06:56<elench>I didn't say someone broek the system or whatever
06:56<elench>I said default fresj install.
06:56<cthuluh>elench: so instead of complaining about us being douchebags, what details did you provide us so that we can fix your iceweasel?
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06:57<elench>I was asking for a fix I was asking if anyone knew this issue
06:57<cthuluh>elench: yes, you said the default install was broken, which is assuming it's not your fault
06:57<lo>elench: you can check for bugs on
06:57<damiano>elench, which version of Iceweasel...
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06:58<damiano>elench, did you upgrade it or it's the base one...
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06:59<elench>uploading screenshots and all information now
06:59<elench>damiano: base fresh install
06:59<philipp>sry guys but im too stupid... if i limit the depentency to "guy" it just shows the packages that need guy... i want that who dont need it
06:59<damiano>elench, alright. are you sure it's only Iceweasel that is acting weird?
07:00<elench>yea chormium works fine :/ sadly it is the only one which seems fine
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07:00<damiano>elench, cause usually it's not one app, it might be a whole flock of those reacting to one issue
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07:00<damiano>elench, did you try Opera?
07:00<elench>well it's different issues
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07:00<damiano>elench, what distro of Debian?
07:00<elench>give me 3mins to upload everything and you can see what I mean
07:00<damiano>elench, alright.
07:01<metaspike>hmm i wonder if the precompiled firefox build uses cairo
07:01<elench>sorry about just now :P but hate coming into a channel and getting STFU
07:01<lo>elench: chromium comes bundled with a lot of other stuff. it's own versions of libraries i believe
07:01<damiano>did you install something like Cairo-dock or did anything to display manager?
07:01<elench>lo: I know :/ but changing how a wesbite appears ... thats abit bizzare
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07:03<damiano>elench, well, the thing is, we could just say "hey... we don't know, it's your prob" but now we can only assume what it is, which ain't much better. But if you feel honoured then it's our honour too. If only that was of any use.
07:03<metaspike>damiano, i might try and recompile firefox to get cairo built in and see if that makes a difference with the font rendering (for kicks) using this:
07:03<elench>damiano :) I don;t know is better then go piss off not interested. Isn't it?
07:03<lo>elench: what i'm saying is if chromium isn't doing it then it's most likely not iceweasel but some system configuration that's caused it. especially if it does if for other browsers. have you tried the GNOME browser?
07:03<damiano>metaspike, hmmm..... interesting
07:04<damiano>elench, i reckon)
07:04<damiano>elench, but anyway, noone said "piss off", so don't you exaggerate here :)
07:04<jm_>we can only say "WFM"
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07:05<metaspike>or i could just let you do it, then tell me if it works ^_^
07:06<damiano>way to go chief
07:06<jm_>metaspike: xulrunner depends on libcairo
07:06<damiano>metaspike, i wish it was the other way around ;)
07:07<philipp>come on guys someone can say me how i JUST list programs that NOT use a GUI?
07:07<jm_>philipp: take a look at debtags
07:07<damiano>philipp, man... i told you, just find a READY list somewhere on the web. Just type in "console apps for Debian/linux"
07:07<damiano>"with no GUI"
07:08<jm_>back in 15min
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07:12<damiano>philipp, did you try "text based" thing in Synaptic?
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07:13<damiano>ah nah.. it's not what you need
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07:14<elench>damiano: the three browsers
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07:14<damiano>ok, let me see
07:14<elench>thank you
07:15<damiano>let me check on my browsers too.
07:15<damiano>who knows.. ;)
07:15<elench>thats the thing I don;'t understand is why iceweasel is displaying something totally different
07:15<elench>the video not starting on the main youtube pages is also weird.
07:16<elench>plays fine if you select videos in the stream view
07:16<damiano>well the thing is... youtube has to do with flash
07:16<damiano>so that's what you have to dig up
07:16<elench>yea but the whole site layout change?
07:16<damiano>well yeah, i dunno about that, but it shouldn't bother you. It's only plugin peculiarity, not browser's issue.
07:17<damiano>but let me check.
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07:17<damiano>i haven't done it yet.
07:17<damiano>have you installed flash?
07:17<damiano>flash player non-free
07:17<damiano>in synaptic
07:17<elench>not yet since videos play fine :) and not worried about the videos
07:17<damiano>if not, you have to do it anyway, cause freshly installed Debian has like mozilla only
07:17<damiano>it's not fine, trust me :)
07:17<damiano>if you try HD videos you'll see what i mean ;)
07:17<elench>just was like hey wtf not the whole layout in iceweeasel cganged
07:18<damiano>try HD videos now.
07:18<elench>ah yea :P I know about that already
07:18<damiano>well then install flash player :)
07:18<damiano>and then we'll see ;)
07:18<elench>anyway :P issues is not the player
07:18<damiano>well just DO it
07:18<damiano>i want you to do it, that's it
07:18<damiano>and it doesn't matter if it's the issue or not
07:18<damiano>it won't hurt, don't you worry :0
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07:19<elench>lol i know it won't:P
07:19<damiano>then do it, huh? Please.
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07:19<damiano>elench, and also, install icedtea6 plugin
07:19<damiano>do these things and only then come back :0
07:20<damiano>javascript plugin. Just in case. Anyway you need to have it.
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07:20<damiano>because probably one day you'd come back and ask for it ;)
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07:20<damiano>so i'm telling it to you know, you're getting more help than you inquired :)
07:20<damiano>trust me on that.
07:21<damiano>flash player non-free and icedtea6-plugin
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07:21<damiano>install all this shit,.
07:21<metaspike>damiano, it's horrible. the font rendering is handled by libcario and (supposedly?) libxft are responsible, meh.
07:21<elench>done and done
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07:22<damiano>metaspike, hm...
07:22<damiano>metaspike, you've tried it out?
07:22<damiano>metaspike, i think there's nothing better than sharp fonts script....
07:23<metaspike>apparently patches exist but no i never bothered.
07:23<damiano>well.. that's what i have...
07:23<damiano>it works the same as for you.
07:23<damiano>i mean.. whatever you did there..
07:23<damiano>but i have the same
07:23<damiano>desktop is nice and fine..
07:23<damiano>i chose specific fonts and it's cool
07:23<damiano>and anti-aliased too when needed.
07:24<damiano>but in browsers it's tougher...
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07:24<damiano>where's that Elench guy..
07:24<damiano>i was gonna tell him to upgrade Firefox to 3.6 too..
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07:24<metaspike>dunno, he tried a paste and was kicked.
07:24<cthuluh>sigh. that plus telling him to install flash + java...
07:25<cthuluh>sounds like you really want to help him
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07:25<elench>damiano: both installed and still the layout is diferent
07:25<damiano>now do this
07:25<damiano>you need to upgrade firefox to 3.6 version.
07:26<damiano>you'll have to do it anyway
07:26<damiano>so let's do it.
07:26<damiano>hang on a minute
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07:27<damiano>do this, add the repositories and upgrade firefox.
07:27<damiano>just do it.
07:27<cthuluh>13:26 < damiano> you'll have to do it anyway
07:27<cthuluh>this is completely wrong
07:27<damiano>i don't think so.
07:27<damiano>3.5 is obsolete and old.
07:28<elench>mmm how come it was not detected by the update manager? I mean it there is a update.
07:28<damiano>elench, that's Debian, there's a lot of old stuff in it
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07:28<damiano>elench, it has old Wine for example, and there's no way to upgrade it unless you compile it yourself or snatch it from a different repository
07:28<damiano>elench, so just do as i say
07:28<elench>ah so the updates are not part of the coreos?
07:28<philipp>i dont find a decent list -.-
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07:29<cthuluh>elench: yes, please just turn off your brain and do as damiano says
07:29<damiano>elench, some not.
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07:29<damiano>cthuluh, yep. THat's what he needs to do.
07:29<elench>yea sure ... rm -rf / everyone cause I say so.
07:29<cthuluh>damiano: you don't have a fscking idea about what he needs
07:30<jm_>elench: this is unofficial repository which you don't have in sources.list, but the packages provided there are built by the debian iceweasel maintainer
07:30<damiano>cthulhu, do you? I d not then shut the fuck up. This time it's you to commit that very action.
07:30<cthuluh>damiano: have you fscking tried to look up his particular problem on the eb or
07:30<cthuluh>damiano: non you didn't, so please stop right there
07:30<cthuluh>damiano: and yes, I'm looking up what could be the reason for his problems, not trying to invent some false solutions
07:30<damiano>cthuluh, do carry on then.
07:31<elench>jm_ ok thx ( not so hard an answer)
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07:31<damiano>elench, listen.. you may listen to him.
07:32<damiano>elench, if you want. But that's what i've done to my system. And i have no probs.
07:32*elench and I thought us #obsd #nbsd ppls are tempramental.
07:32<elench>damiano :) I will do it, upgrading never killed anyone so far
07:32<elench>Just wanted to know why and how come.
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07:32<elench>It's pointless to not know then I might as well buy macosx and be dumb
07:32<jm_>elench: can't load your page but at home I see some crap with nvidia binary driver and pages where flash is used
07:35<damiano>elench, i can only tell you that i didn't suggest anything bad to you.
07:35<metaspike>aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade - maybe try running iceweasel -safe-mode and try the options.
07:35<damiano>elench, even if it has nothing to do with your problem it still wouldn't hurt.
07:35<damiano>elench, you got that?
07:36<metaspike>or - sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade - if your a lazy, sudo user :p
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07:36<damiano>elench, cause i have no probs.
07:36<damiano>elench, i have 3.6, and let me show you the same screen:
07:37<damiano>i mean.. i don't have to show you, it's actually exactly like on two other screens of yours.
07:37<elench>damiano: I don't doubt it :_) I just asked asimple WTK question about core apps and updates.
07:37<damiano>elench, i mean.. my Iceweasel works the same.
07:38<damiano>elench, like your Chromium and Epiphany
07:38<damiano>so we have to make sure it's not commonly known plugins or obsolete versions.
07:38<damiano>that's all from me.
07:39<elench>damiano: thx for the solution un any case :P but please take some lily8088 ... they will do alot of good.
07:39<damiano>elench, i don't get it.
07:40<elench>lily8088 / prozac callsign/productname
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07:40<metaspike>layers.acceleration.force-enabled;true gives an interesting result, gilitchy for me though. ah well. moving on.
07:41<damiano>elench, dunno what you mean, but i hope that's not an insult)
07:41<elench>nope :P just chill pill abit.
07:41<damiano>elench, as for "to know" things...... listen, i had audio problem and some other, and noone could find out what it is.
07:42<damiano>elench, oh yeah? Well fuck you then.
07:42<damiano>elench, whatever you're saying i fucking regret that i wasted my time on you.
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07:42<jm_>settle down beavis
07:42<damiano>elench, go suck cthuluh. he'll tell you a lot of good.
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07:43<damiano>jm_, i'm cool
07:43<damiano>jm_, and no, i'm not Beavis.
07:43<damiano>it's just that it's better to be asshole sometimes than a nice guy.
07:43<damiano>i'll put a note on that.
07:44<damiano>first they're insulted that people talk wrong to them and now he's fucking joking around... fuck you, you shithead :)
07:45<damiano>if you're such a smartass go work your things out yourself
07:45<Zaba>damiano, maybe you should try that yourself once
07:45<damiano>Zaba, try what?
07:46<gnugr>please enough, join #debian-offtopic for such talk
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07:46<damiano>i'mn done, sorry.
07:46<Zaba>damiano, working things out yourself
07:46<damiano>Zaba, don't worry, that's what i've been doing mostly.
07:46<Zaba>damiano, instead of coming here and whining about how they're "unsolvable"
07:46<damiano>Zaba, yep, they are.
07:46<damiano>Zaba, and i wasn't whining, sorry. In spite of all your expectations.
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07:46<damiano>Zaba, i can live with it.
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07:52<cthuluh>anyway... :)
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07:54<cthuluh>elench: I'm in front of a fresh squeeze + xfce install, here, no flash, and the rendering for the page you were worried about is quite similar to the one chromium gives
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07:55<damiano>cthuluh, have you helped him yet?
07:55<cthuluh>(and no proprietary video card driver either)
07:55<damiano>cthuluh, send me an email when you're done. I'm curious.
07:55<Zaba>damiano, I think you should cut your spewing of ignorance here, it's useless and unhelpful. Why don't you just use what works for you (windows)?
07:55<damiano>cthuluh, but... you know something... it's never gonna happen. You can only show off your ass, but people really need is real help.
07:56<Zaba>damiano, you've already demonstrated your uselessness in full glory, you don't need to repeat yourself.
07:56<cthuluh>damiano: out of curiosity, I un-plonked you just in time :)
07:56<damiano>Zaba, why don't you just fuck off and lay of my fucking name forever? Thank you, stupid ass.
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07:56<damiano>Zaba, what have you demonstrated?
07:56<damiano>Zaba, what are you?
07:56<damiano>Zaba, who are you?
07:57<damiano>Zaba, what are you doing here even?
07:57<Zaba>damiano, who cares? On the other hand, we all know what you are now ;P
07:57<damiano>Zaba, why the fuck are you talking to me, you stupid shitbag?
07:57<Zaba>and you keep confirming our views more and more
07:57<elench>cthuluh: mmm fresh squeeze twice installed and thats what I got. So sorry I can't tell you how or why.
07:57<damiano>Zaba, you know nothing, and don't help anyone at all. You just pretend that you know shit.
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07:58<cthuluh>elench: what about flash? what about nvidia / ati drivers?
07:58<Zaba>damiano, neither do you, but somehow you manage to do it in thousands of words instead of zero ;)
07:58<elench>damiano: like I said thank you but you really need to take some pills, I have some weed if you want.
07:59<damiano>elench, hear me... go suck your momma, bozo. Alright? I'm done with you centuries ago.
07:59<elench>damiano: just scroll back and look at how many insults you hurled since I joined the channel
07:59<elench>it's more insults then all the monkeys in #obsd are capable of
07:59<damiano>elench, yeah, because i tried to be a nice guy with a dork like you :)
07:59<damiano>of course.
07:59<elench>nice guy ?
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07:59<damiano>because you people deserve it
07:59<damiano>yeah, nice fucking guy.
07:59<cthuluh>elench: monkeys don't insult gratuitously
07:59<elench>please scroll up and look at your very first answer
07:59<damiano>elench, and if you didn't like me you shouldn't have spoken to me.
07:59<damiano>elench, you got that you hypocritical twat?
07:59<elench>cthuluh: monkeys (as in code monkeys(
08:00<damiano>elench, so beat it, zip it, clam it and get outta my sight.
08:00<elench>damiano: I said thank you more then 3 times.... you dind't even say welcome once and I am the hypocritical ape?
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08:00<damiano>Zaba, wanna dance with me again, stupid?
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08:00<elench>seriously you need consulting
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08:00<damiano>elench, you need to fix your fucking icewesel, dorky :0
08:01<damiano>elench, got get it, and again: don't touch me socks :)
08:01<elench>damiano pilllsssssssssssssssssss.
08:01<Zaba>elench, ignore it.
08:01<damiano>elench, that's what you need, you sensitive brat :)
08:01<elench>Zaba na tis funny
08:01<elench>it's going on
08:02<damiano>elench, where's all the offense, huh? Where is it? Now we're feeling better? Don't wanna cry anymore? Maybe i should get some milk for you? :)
08:02<damiano>elench, oohohhh i geet insuuuulltts just as i coome iiinn
08:03<damiano>elench, you fucking pathetic)
08:03<elench>more please
08:03<damiano>nah, i'm done.
08:03<elench>what is that all the troll you have in you?
08:03<damiano>i've shown to everyone what you really are :)
08:03*elench disappointed
08:04<damiano>go to momma.
08:04<damiano>i'm not your momma, ok? Can't amuse ya.
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08:04<elench>What I am or not, you can't and are not able to know cause I am just a string of letters on a irc chat client
08:04<damiano>make up your excuses or just go and kill yourself, life is pointless :)
08:04<elench>You however have shown everyon you have a very good grasp on vocaburary
08:05<elench>from insult to insult to insult
08:05*elench hands out free lily8088 and cotigons
08:05<damiano>worthy people does it, not me ;)
08:05<damiano>they inspire me.
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08:06<damiano>so a true dork like you gets the words right out of me, so it's not my natural virtue ;)
08:06<damiano>anyway. i'm done.
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08:07<elench>you said that three times actually wait (scroll up) fourth time now.
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08:08<OpenTokix>How is this debian related?
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08:08<damiano>OpenTokix, it is. It's about Iceweasel, chief.
08:08<damiano>OpenTokix, :)
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08:15<philipp>is there a channel for hardcore console freaks?
08:15<lo>babilen: cool. I use apt-get. it doesn't tell me that it plans to remove lots of packages so I guess I'm fine. what you're saying is just read very caerfully :)
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08:16<XeonBloomfield>philipp: look at #bash
08:17<XeonBloomfield>philipp: it's on freenode
08:17<jm_>philipp: like I already said, debtags, see interface::
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08:22<Sebastian>I'm trying to find debug symbols for the libevent package. I have libevent-1.4-2, libevent-core-1.4-2, libevent-dev, libevent-extra-1.4-2 installed. For none of those could I find a *-dbg package. Might there just not be one, or am I doing something silly here?
08:22<Sebastian>Or do you have other ideas how I could proceed to get debug info. Thanks
08:23<jm_>Sebastian: you want to debug libevent itself?
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08:23<jm_>nothing mentioned in /usr/share/doc/libevent-dev/README.Debian.gz?
08:24<Sebastian>jm_: I have an application that crashes inside libevent, and gdb can't give me the details
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08:24<Sebastian>Thanks for the pointer to the readme, I will check that.
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08:25<Sebastian>No, nothing in there
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08:26<jm_>Sebastian: in that case I'd build it myself and tell the app to use that one
08:27<anbe>,versions libevent-dbg
08:27<judd>Package: libevent-dbg on i386 -- sid: 2.0.16-stable-1
08:27<Sebastian>hrm yeah, I was afraid that'd be required (since I currently can't reproduce the crash in self-built libevent). But I'll try some more stuff.
08:27<jm_>ahh nice, but it's not in stable
08:27<Sebastian>right, that's libevent2
08:27<Sebastian>I need to debug this on 1.4 unfortunately
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08:28<Sebastian>ok thanks all.
08:28<elench>damiano: just curious but ... how is upgrading a browser suppose to fix it? (fyi still same)
08:29<damiano>elench, bummer.
08:29<elench>which is why I said in the very beginning. It's not a video problem...
08:29<elench>but then again I don't know anyting Zaba does not know anything
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08:30<elench>ctuhulu knows nothing
08:30<damiano>elench, alright, i don't know. Ok? By me everything's fine.
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08:32<philipp> ?
08:32<damiano>And you'll probably never find out what the problem is. You'll just change something and it'll be ok. Distribution, browser, whatever. I had probs with audio - noone helped me. Only one guy suggested to build it from sources. Same version. Same thing. With only difference: it works now. Now you understand why i told you to do all this stupid shit? Because you can never know.
08:32<philipp>or net or org?
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08:33<damiano>so i wanted to be at least sure it's no plugin or version problem. And yes, browser version do differ, and you don't always knows HOW.
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08:34<elench>damiano I don't think anyone has problems with your help :P ... just maybe the constant .. YOU DON"T KNOW SHIT YOU OND"T KNOW ANYTHING JUST DIO IT attitude :P
08:34<damiano>elench, i didn't say that.
08:34<elench>and again thank you for your help.
08:34<elench>damiano: :/ sadly you did ... scroll up...
08:34<damiano>but you could say "thanks for nothing", it's ok.
08:34<damiano>elench, i said it to other people who tried to criticize my advices.
08:35<damiano>while knowing nothing themselves.
08:35<elench>lol :P
08:35<damiano>at least i tried to help a lil bit. Of course, you could've done it yourself. But sometimes you might think it's not the prob, and someone may have more insight for example..
08:35<abrotman>uh .. hi?
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08:35<damiano>so that's basically it.
08:35<elench>let's just drop it and agreed to disagree that you are a helpful grumpy twtas :P
08:35<abrotman>drop the name calling, thanks
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08:36<lo>elench: you still behaving like a baby? enough already
08:37<abrotman>knock it off
08:37<abrotman>if you don't want to help him, just put him on /ignore
08:37<elench>sigh another one now.
08:37<abrotman>another one? i could just let them tear into you if you prefer ..
08:38<elench>I don't mind
08:38<elench>I find it funny
08:38<elench> nothing more then text on irc
08:38<abrotman>please move along ..
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08:38<elench>they can rage/troll/insult all they want.
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08:41*abrotman reads the scrollback and shakes his head ..
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08:42<damiano>we're cool now, don't bother.
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08:45<elench>In any case, this is still weird. Why would Iceweasel show a totally different looking site :/ boogles me mind.
08:45<abrotman>than what?
08:45<elench>Continue looking :P what else.
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08:45<abrotman>i meant .. iceweasel differs from which other browser?
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08:46<abrotman>not clicking the link .. it was an easy question ..
08:46<abrotman>did you try IW in safe mode?
08:46<OpenTokix>elench: is it your site? or some other side? Maybe there is some genious php-scripter that is looking at useragents?
08:47<elench>it's youtube
08:47<elench>I noticed the same issue on mintlinux-debian
08:47<elench>all default install with or without nonfree flash plugin.
08:48<OpenTokix>oki doki
08:48<abrotman>elench: have you moved the same $HOME between installs ?
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08:49<elench>complete wipes
08:50<abrotman>tried a different user?
08:50<elench>it's on a notebook which I use for testing. dd disk before each install.
08:50<elench>mmm nope. this is the first on default install.
08:50<elench>first user I mean
08:51<eightyeight>elench: fwiw, my iceweasel 8 install looks exactly like your chromium screenshot
08:52<elench>mmm odd
08:52<elench>I could wipe and reinstall again
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08:53<eightyeight>elench: assuming you're running stable, this is iceweasel 3.5.16?
08:53<elench>should mentioon tis is amd64 iso
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08:54<eightyeight>there may be some html5 elements that are being utilized, that aren't in that version, but are in chromium and epiphany (seeing as though both of those latter browsers use webkit)
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08:57<elench>even after updating with the instrutions on still same issue.
08:57<elench>might download the i386 iso.
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08:58<opalepatrick>Thanks babilen, I didnt realise you had replied. My app normally flashes up when I receive a response. Didn't happen. Anyway thanks a lot once again. Downloading now. Might be a bit slow... I day remaining 1.6k/sec, lol
08:59<babilen>opalepatrick: Just let me know when you are done :)
09:00<opalepatrick>That would be good. I will finish this time. OK, coming down now. biab
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09:08<damiano>elench, try this:
09:09<damiano>one guy advised.
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09:18<damiano>elench, and if anything, i'm using amd64 too. It's not that. Probably some minor settings you've made, or a slight software vs hardware conflict that causes you such troubles.
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09:20<Aleric>What program should I run to configure my printer? There is nothing whatsoever in the menu :/
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09:20<Aleric>I can already print, but I want to tune it (toner safe is on and I want it off)
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09:23<damiano>and one more thing: you might actually try different repositories, not for your country but US ones.
09:23<damiano>different mirrors.
09:23<damiano>that's all i can say.
09:23<damiano> locate && locate && locate iceweasel
09:23<damiano>also do this.
09:23<damiano>just in case.
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09:31<melmothX>Aleric: go to http://localhost:631
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09:48<Veganino>Hi! Does anyone speak french?
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09:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
09:49<Veganino>ok, thank you
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09:59<blaster>night all ^.^
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10:23<Funshine>hi, i need help configuring nvidia Geforce GT 520M. i tried to run the official Nvidia script but it is aborting the installation after i accept the licence. i also tried to configure with module-assist and installed various nvidia packages to no avail. i am using debian linux unstable. can someone please help me?
10:25<elench>damiano: you will be glad to know it is soemthing to do with this notebook for some reason :P same sources works on other comp/vm as it should.
10:25<damiano>i'm not glad, that was getting obvious anyway
10:25<damiano>so there you go.
10:26<elench>yea but *what the hell) why only iceweasel *grumble*
10:26<anbe>Funshine, /msg dpkg nvidia, /msg dpkg nvidia dkms
10:26<damiano>it's not only iceweasel probably, it's the only thing that kicked in.
10:26<elench>this is going to do my head in for weeks.
10:26<damiano>i mean.. the only one that you noticed.
10:26<damiano>but as i said, there's probably a flock of issues waiting for you beside of iceweasel.
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10:26<elench>XD soemthing to look forward to in any case. :P
10:27<damiano>it's always glitchy, i assume you didn't have probs with audio yet, did you..
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10:27<damiano>or maybe you haven't done something that might reveal it.
10:27<elench>nope. everything else seems fine so far even wifi works (which rarely for this notebook)
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10:28<damiano>here i have probs with media even. Some disks cause system to freeze up.
10:28<damiano>but temporarily.
10:28<damiano>then i can read them.
10:28<damiano>only particular disks, and i don't know what's so special about them
10:29<damiano>maybe it's my drive, maybe it's software. But on windows it was ok.
10:29<abrotman>elench: is the screen an odd size ?
10:29<damiano>so that's why i'm saying, some things you may never figure out.
10:29<elench>abrotman 1024x768
10:29<abrotman>well, nevermind .. thought maybe it was a rendering bug on some goofy sizy
10:29<elench>damiano: hah I have sleepless nights like that, it will huant me in my dreams.
10:30<damiano>Just use windows... (c) Zaba
10:30<elench>abrotman: it's just iceweasel showing a youtube totally different from how it should be.
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10:30<elench>damiano: :P I use windows too irix, slack, slowaris sometimes if I am suicidal.
10:31<abrotman>mmm .. irix
10:31<damiano>i'm proud of ya son
10:31<abrotman>damiano: are you always this rude to people?
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10:32<damiano>abrotman, no. Only when they ask for it sincerely.
10:32<abrotman>damiano: next time, use /ignore .. save yourself some trouble
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10:32<Onryo>How can I check if MiZ is enabled in the Mesa stack. Using Debian GNU/Linux 3.1.0-1. If its not I need to flip INTEL_HIZ=1
10:32<damiano>abrotman, it's alright. I never use this feature for it seems to me useless a bit. If i don't wanna talk - i won't. If i do wanna then why the hell?..
10:33<Onryo>on a Sandy Bridge 2600
10:33<opalepatrick>babilen, I have just untarred that file and ready to have another go. Can see a lot of .deb files but unsure as to how to proceed?
10:33<abrotman>damiano: that wasn't a suggestion
10:33<damiano>abrotman, what was it then? An order? )
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10:34<abrotman>I'm saying to stop being rude to people lookking for help
10:34<damiano>abrotman, listen.. i don't get it.. why would you bring it up again now?
10:34<damiano>i thought we're through by now
10:34<abrotman>because you're being rude to him again
10:34<abrotman>or were
10:34<damiano>"im proud of ya son" is rude?
10:34<damiano>just a little irony
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10:35<abrotman>save it
10:35<damiano>which didn't mean any abuse
10:35<damiano>so what do i have to kiss him now?
10:35<damiano>i'm talking to him
10:35<damiano>and i don't experience any problems at the moment
10:35<babilen>opalepatrick: Essentially: Install nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-support from backports (apt-get -t squeeze-backports install PKG) ... you can then manually install the packages you want with "dpkg -i" -- Essentially you want nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx + dependencies .. You can see currently installed packages with "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia"
10:35<damiano>now you gonna track down every word i say or what?
10:36<Onryo>Do you know how stupid this all sounds?
10:36<opalepatrick>hey babilen - I have installed nvidia-kernel-common but cant seem to find nvidia-support
10:36<abrotman>damiano: i said to use /ignore
10:37<damiano>phaha... listen man.. i don't get your problem, really..
10:37<damiano>i wasn't starting an argument with him!
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10:37<abrotman>Thanks, have a nice day :)
10:37<babilen>opalepatrick: It also is in backports --
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10:38<opalepatrick>weird try again
10:38<babilen>opalepatrick: What does "apt-cache policy nvidia-support" give you? →
10:39<opalepatrick>babilen, Unable to locate package nvidia-support
10:39<elench>ah found it!
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10:39<elench>actually not :/ but fixed it
10:39<elench>purge everything and reinstall piece by piece problem solved.
10:40<elench>which nows make me want to break it so I can find out why.
10:40<opalepatrick>hmm and again on install
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10:40<babilen>opalepatrick: Did you enable backports? (As detailed on
10:40<abrotman>elench: are you sure you have the same package list again?
10:41<opalepatrick>hmm thought I had - checking babilen
10:41<elench>abrotman yes I am.
10:42<abrotman>elench: i mean you checked with dpkg --get-selections, etc ?
10:42<elench>can;t change if it is all from DVD.
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10:43<elench>funny cause reinstalling iceweasel didn't help the first two times I did a fresh install.
10:43<elench>I had to reinstall gnome.
10:43<babilen>opalepatrick: You need to enable contrib/non-free for backports as well (if not done already) -- Do not forget to run "apt-get update" after making changes to your sources.list
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10:46<damiano>had the same with ALSA...
10:46<damiano>exactly the same shit.... only re-building the sources helped. It was the same version. But the one with install was either broken or had incompatible settings. I dunno.
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10:48<elench>:/ You know I usually only see these sorts of problems when a disk is dying.
10:48*elench getting paranoid now.
10:48<abrotman>bad RAM ?
10:48<elench>or that too
10:48<opalepatrick>babilen, - am I being a dunce again :-)
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10:48<elench>but then why only during initial installtion?
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10:48<babilen>opalepatrick: wtf is that?
10:50<elench>Has anyone tried iceweasel/firefox -aurora?
10:50<opalepatrick>babilen, the sources you referred to are at the end. but I still get Unable to locate package nvidia-support
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10:52<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, you have an unsupportable mess, you miss the "main" suites for several repositories and "contrib non-free" for backports -- Something like is what I am talking about
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10:53<Funshine>is there any easy way to install nvidia geforce GT 520M nvidia video card drivers? it seems like everything that i try is fail to run when i insert "nvidia" to xorg.conf ):
10:53*babilen curses
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10:54<opalepatrick>lol, you are right - ok, one step back - babilen - sorting
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10:55<babilen>opalepatrick: Also: we do *not* support a number of repositories in there. In particular dotdeb is known to ship low quality packages ...
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10:55<opalepatrick>ok, I will remove them
10:56<Funshine>and i already have the module nvidia.ko (290.10) installed. and the glx driver
10:56<damiano>Linux is very hardware dependent. That's all i can say. Moreover, it makes it more confusing, cause a newbie might distinguish between his lack of knowledge and pure glitches which are not even supposed to happen.
10:57<damiano>might not *
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10:57<damiano>truth to be told, Windows has less of such shit.
10:57<damiano>at least it's easier to solve.
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10:58<damiano>and it's more optimized for different hardware.
10:58<babilen>damiano: Please take it somewhere else.
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10:58<damiano>babilen, what do you care now?.. I'm just saying what i see!
10:59<abrotman>someone needs a nap :)
10:59<damiano>i didn't say it's a total crap, i'm just saying that it's hard to get along with it.
10:59<kop>damiano: Because this is a _support_ channel.
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11:00<chealer>Funshine: which Debian suite do you use?
11:00<damiano>kop, well, consider it my little support ;) So newbies would know what they're dealing with ;) Cause it took me a couple of weeks to realize that here you might have totally ridiculous issues that you shouldn't really have at all :) And one must be ready to face it.
11:00<Funshine>so there is no hope for my video card to run on 3d?
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11:01<damiano>kop, i believe 90% of people never find out what causes this and that, they employ pure "fiddling" methods in order to establish peace with this OS. That's the bad side of it. Unless of course you're not a linux developer.
11:02<damiano>and some things just stay there forever. For example... could you help me please with my little prob?
11:02<elench>not really.
11:02<elench>All the distro have their ups and downs.
11:02<damiano>my drive behaves weird.
11:02<elench>Even the BSD world isn't prefect.
11:02<damiano>i meant any linux distribution.
11:03<damiano>it's all full of something, ya know..
11:03<elench>damiano: :) having a bad day?
11:03<damiano>problems just have different signs, but stinks the same disturbing ;)
11:03<damiano>elench, not really, i've been having a fine day
11:04<chealer>Funshine: If you don't mind, which Debian suite do you use?
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11:04<damiano>so yeah.. i'm serious.. for 100 time i'll dare to ask you what is wrong with my drive/settings? Once i insert a media (not any media, just some "special" kind of it!) it hangs everything up for one minute.
11:05<elench>deinfe "special"
11:05<elench>er s/deinfe/define/
11:05<damiano>and no, it doesn't matter if it was recorded on a different drive. I tried both old CD's and recorded on the present one. Same thing :)
11:05<damiano>well... that's the problem, i don't know what's so special about it :)
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11:05<damiano>it's just that some disks cause this thing to happen.. now... any clues? :0
11:06<opalepatrick>babilen, sorted nvidia-support. getting pre-dependencies message for first install -
11:06<elench>size limitations?
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11:06<damiano>elench, eh?
11:06<damiano>elench, what do you mean? :)
11:06<elench>different format?
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11:07<Funshine>chealer: unstable, kernel 3.1.0-1-amd64
11:07<damiano>elench, i dunno what you call a different format even :)
11:07<damiano>elench, but whatever that is it never matters in windows. Doh.. another point to windows.. sorry.
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11:07<elench> list is long XDF
11:08<damiano>elench, wait.. before i go there and read tell me just one thing...
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11:08<chealer>Funshine: did you check ?
11:08<damiano>elench, why should i? :) Why isn't it just fine? :) And also, these disks are ok, they're read nicely once it's unstuck.
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11:09<damiano>elench, i didn't say that i can't read them though
11:09<damiano>elench, i can! Perfectly!
11:09<elench>well yea I know.
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11:09<elench>But you could find out by narrowing it down to what formats are casuing it.
11:09<damiano>elench, moreover.. i can open it up BEFORE it gets stuck. But there's just something about them that makes it go slow for a moment.
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11:10<opalepatrick>babilen ok I should have read that closer I can see what it depoends on
11:10<damiano>elench, i believe it's not the disk itself, but a particular recording on it.
11:10<damiano>elench, maybe header, i dunno
11:10<elench>then narrow it down XD all part of the fun.
11:10<damiano>elench, cause if i get the same CD-RW (i have on) and record something else on it it'd be probably ok. Like.. some small file maybe.. or just music.
11:10<redrain>Hi, I've just bought a new desktop and trying to setup my Nvidia GFX 560 graphics card. I've tried 3 different methods from Debian Wiki but no luck. What I get is "None of the NVIDIA graphics adapters were initialized!", "Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device"
11:11<damiano>elench, it's Debian CD-RW by the way :)
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11:11<damiano>elench, LG
11:11<redrain>I've searched a lot but none of the solutions (actually there is nothing much) posted online worked for me. What could be the problem?
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11:12<elench>XD I won't bother then. I only use plexton.
11:12<Funshine>chealer: yes, i tried everything there. i configured my nvidia-kernel with module assistant and when i do lsmod it gives output that the module is running. and i also have the drivers packages. but cant get along when i change the xorg.conf
11:12<damiano>elench, old one, yeah.. i've rewritten it many times, but trust me.. that's not the issue. :) Cause i have other pure CDs which were burnt nicely and same story :)
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11:12<damiano>elench, what's a plexton?
11:14<damiano>see... what i'm saying is that... i don't even feel like going and reading something about my drive and media whereas it actually shouldn't be my prob. I feel like being fucked constantly doing someone's else job. Seriously. So i just left it as it is :)
11:14<elench>only brand to properly support all archs and UNIX.
11:14<damiano>because when i had prob with ALSA i messed with those asound.conf, asoundrc.conf things, but it was all useless you know.
11:14<elench>Well linux is a communityproject :) it depends on everyones' involvement, typically those that find the issues.
11:14<damiano>until i did something totally different.
11:15<damiano>i'd not be surprised if i can fix something in linux by deleting porn... for instance.. cause it has some nasty code in those ;) It's just an example.
11:15<damiano>well, you get the idea.
11:15<elench>you think this is bad :) don't even touch any other *nix kind of OS then.
11:16<damiano>i wasn't going to actually :)
11:16<damiano>i'm not linux masochist if anything :)
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11:17<elench>I use linux when I want t fast OS and not doing fancy stuff. BSD for my servers, Windows for my main desktop cause of work.
11:17<amoe>Can we use for all BTS interactions, not just submitting bugs?
11:17<elench>ie. notebook for email/console
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11:17<damiano>i just wanted to try something new, and i chose Debian, and yeah, i admit that it's less disturbing for me in many ways (it doesn't mean though that it's not full of shit). It's just more acceptable.
11:17<opalepatrick>babilen - - I suspect I need a version from a later repo? My system reports that I have the latest version - but I suspect that may just be for squeeze?
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11:18<damiano>at least i've managed to do the same stuff i usually do on windows. But it cost me time and nerves ;)
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11:18<damiano>as for any other "special" kind of things... i'm even afraid to think of it ;)
11:19<elench>mm don't know Debian is alot better then most other Distros for hardweare support and useablilty.
11:19<damiano>i agree.
11:19<damiano>it is.
11:19*elench cold.
11:19<elench> figers can't type.
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11:19<gnugr>elench, damiano: please go somewhere else to talk further, we can't read and help ppl out
11:20<damiano>i'm zipped.
11:20<gnugr>!ops elench, damiano
11:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: elench, damiano
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11:21<damiano>one question, what does !ops mean?
11:22<elench>Worried about seeing broken web sites because you would be running "Iceweasel" and not "Firefox"? Read this.
11:22<petemc>it brings something to the attention of the channel operators
11:22<@Ganneff>damiano: that you (and elench) get in trouble if you dont take your offtopic chatter elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic
11:22<damiano>that was redundant. but ok.
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11:34<damiano>so where's the helping?
11:34<damiano>just curious
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11:38<heikkila>It might take a while before anyone can give some help (not everyone lives by their monitor), so be patient. (And to answer your query, it probably got lost in the offtopic chatter.)
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11:42<laarmen>damiano: Actually, elench gave you a link that might solve your problem
11:43<petemc>it would stop him being a whinge?
11:43<chealer>Funshine: what do you mean, can't get along?
11:43<babilen>opalepatrick: One second please
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11:44<babilen>opalepatrick: May I see your current sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-common" please?
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11:45<opalepatrick>babilen, I used apt-get -f install after the attempted install.... getting the list hoping I havent messed things up
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11:46<babilen>opalepatrick: Yeah, just show me your sources list and the output of the apt-cache command
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11:51<babilen>ultimo78: Hi, what can we help you with?
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11:52<damiano>petemc, was it really neccessary for you to contribute anything?
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11:53<babilen>opalepatrick: Please run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-support"
11:55<opalepatrick>ok did that babilen with W: messagesd regarding possible missing firmware? Do you want that part of the output?
11:56<babilen>opalepatrick: Please show me the complete output
11:56<nitwit>i wonder why on ppc multimedia apps require altivec so users of old h/w should build their own. Why not the other way around? or provide a package without altivec? mostly older h/w is resource constrained
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11:59<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, you can now manually install my packages (nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx + their dependencies)
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12:00<babilen>opalepatrick: Don't worry about the missing firmware, it is merely a warning. If you have problems with your NIC or want to get rid of them you can install the firmware-realtek package
12:01<opalepatrick>I think it refers to the network card I have installed at the mo. babi
12:01<opalepatrick>babilen :-)
12:01<babilen>opalepatrick: yes, it does
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12:01<opalepatrick>OK first one installed - will the second get the dependencies automatically with dpkg -i ?
12:01<babilen>opalepatrick: I guess you are happy to learn that you can tab-complete nicknames in here (try "bab<TAB>")
12:02<opalepatrick>I did lol babilen - but must have missed the key lol
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12:02<babilen>opalepatrick: No, it will not get the dependencies automatically .. You probably have to install additional packages from the set of those that you downloaded to satisfy some dependencies) -- You could also orientate yourself on the list of currently installed nvidia packages (aptitude search ~i~nnvidia)
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12:03<opalepatrick>if I follow up with apt-get -f install ? or is that a dodgy command in this instance?
12:04<babilen>opalepatrick: That command can not install any of those downloaded packages as apt-get does not know about them
12:04<opalepatrick>ah ok
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12:06<opalepatrick>babilen, that installed ok actually. So theoretically I should now be able to reboot with the newer kernel?
12:06<babilen>opalepatrick: May I see the complete log of that installation session as well as the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nnvidia" ?
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12:10<opalepatrick>bad info babilen - I installed the other glx package - just tried install on nvidia-glx_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb and got the suspected dependency messages - just running through them
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12:11<babilen>ack, paste relevant output if you want me to take a look ...
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12:18<opalepatrick>babilen, - not even sure where to locate the install log?
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12:19<opalepatrick>babilen, basically a problem installing first dependency
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12:20<babilen>opalepatrick: Hmm, you could just install *all* packages I gave you (dpkg -i *.deb) ... It might also make sense to remove the old ones first (apt-get purge)
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12:20<rss>babilen, should that be apt-get remove --purge ?
12:21<babilen>rss: same
12:21<rss>babilen, OK that one is new for me. THX ;)
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12:27<opalepatrick>babilen will do
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12:28<nah>got problem with kde resolution- its set too high and when i change it the scrren is shrinked horizontaly- how to fix this?
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12:30<babilen>nah: Does "xrandr -q" report the desired resolution? Is it not using the native resolution of your display or how is it too high? What do you mean by "shrinked horizontal[l]y" ?
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>nah: Use a resolution proportional to your screen. You may find xrandrtray useful.
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12:34<nah>babilen: i mean that when i change res fro default 1680x1050 to 1280x1024 my screen edge does not mach lcd matrix edge
12:36<babilen>nah: And 1680x1050 is the native resolution of your display? What does "xrandr -q" give you?
12:37<rss>nah, 1680x1050 is a 16:9 screen if a square pixel is used. the 1280x1024 is usally formatted to a 4:3 ratio but does not use a square pixel
12:37<babilen>nah: Different aspect ratios of those two resolutions
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12:41<nah>its xrandr -q
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12:42<babilen>nah: And 1680x1050 is the native resolution but you don't want that?
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12:44<rss>nah: why would you want to use a lower resolution that does no use a square pixel on a widescreen 16 by 10
12:45<nah>1680x1050 is way too much for me- dont feel confortable with it besides on xp i got smaller res and it works fine
12:46<nah>anyway its dell latitude d820- few years old laptop, even if it can display that high res i dont realy think it was made for that :D
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12:47<rss>nah: I would suggest that you use a 1280x960
12:47<babilen>nah: Choose a resolution with the same aspect ratio in that case -- WXGA+ for example (1440×900)
12:47<nah>and didn't know it does not mach the 16:9 ratio- just tried every posible res and everytime it was something not right with it
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12:47<rss>nah: or possibly a 1440 by 900
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12:48<babilen>nah: probably comes in handy
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12:48<chrisb>Anyone know where I can get packages for the 3.2 version of the linux kernel from?
12:49<daemonkeeper>There is no 3.2 kernel yet.
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12:49<opalepatrick>babilen, - this is the end part - cannot for whatever reason copy the full output from terminal - utter pain.
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12:49<chrisb>daemonkeeper, I mean any of the release candidates
12:49<rss>nah: that whould be what to expect. check out the 16 by 9 ratios that exist and try those. this should give the least amount of pixel deformation. understand that a 1680x1050 has a high resolution and that all video hardware can actually rescale properly.
12:50<babilen>opalepatrick: You need to install libgl1-nvidia-glx_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb as well
12:50<rss>nah: not all video hardware can scale
12:50<daemonkeeper>chrisb: The newest available kernel Debian maintainers provide is 3.1
12:51<babilen>opalepatrick: But having installed all those package now, you can just "dpkg-reconfigure" or just run "aptitude reinstall ~i~nnvidia"
12:51<opalepatrick>babilen, I had a go at installing the lot *.deb - that was the output - so better work back up the output
12:51<opalepatrick>the end of the poutput
12:52<rss>opalepatrick, poutput? are you frowning?
12:52<opalepatrick>lol rss
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12:53<opalepatrick>sorry responding to first message babilen - following second one
12:54<babilen>opalepatrick: "apt-get install -f" is another way that probably works :) -- /me should have tried this at home ;)
12:54<rss>nah: checkout for a breakdown of available possibly available resolutions
12:55<opalepatrick>babilen, 3 possibilities - so if you were to pick a card... any card?
12:55<rss>nah: I made a mistake 1680x1050 is 16 by 10
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12:55<babilen>opalepatrick: start with the last and work backwards ;)
12:56<opalepatrick>lol ok
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12:56<chrisb>daemonkeeper, Ok, thanks, I might be back in a bit if I run in to problems when trying to build some from git :)
12:57<dpkg>i guess make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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12:58<opalepatrick>babilen - well it didnt come up with any errors - referred to a number of diversions and fixed some 'dangling' bits... any way to check?
12:59<nardev>When i try to open any "bookmarked" location from "Custom menu bar" it tries to open it with VLS media player. How can i change that? where is location of "custom menu bar" config file?
12:59<nardev>When i try to open any "bookmarked" location from "Custom menu bar" it tries to open it with VLC media player. How can i change that? where is location of "custom menu bar" config file?
12:59<babilen>opalepatrick: Show me the output as well as "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" -- Please also run "apt-get reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms" and show me that :)
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13:01<babilen>opalepatrick: "aptitude versions ~i~nnvidia" is interesting as well
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13:12<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, a couple of things: 1. Please purge nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 and nvidia-settings 2. Install nvidia-glx-ia32_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb 3. Run "aptitude reinstall ~i~nnvidia" →
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13:14<rss>nah: did the page on wikipedia help?
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13:15<babilen>nah: Or the other? Or are you already enjoying WXGA+ ?
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13:19<rss>babilen, As far as I understand it nah wants to use WXGA or 1440 by 900. I wonder why he bought a WXGA+ monitor or laptop?
13:19<babilen>opalepatrick: You should also run "apt-get --purge autoremove" in due course.
13:19<rss>babilen, Good tip!
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13:20<babilen>rss: No idea :)
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13:21<Bushmills>i'm a bit surprised that given the wealth of picture viewers available, those haven't made it into alternatives
13:21<rss>babilen, maybe nah should but one of those fresnel lenses to place in front of his screen. that were popular for the tv in the '90's
13:21<rss>babilen, that was buy
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13:23<opalepatrick>babilen, - waiting on the autoremove
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13:25<babilen>opalepatrick: Install libgl1-nvidia-alternatives_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb and run "aptitude reinstall ~i~nnvidia" again
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13:30<babilen>opalepatrick: Ah, that should have been libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb (rinse & repeat) -- sorry
13:30<opalepatrick>lol ok
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13:34<opalepatrick>babilen, - same thing?
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13:34<babilen>opalepatrick: No output for the installation of that package?
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13:36<opalepatrick>bizarre, I didnt install it did hang on
13:36<babilen>Why didn't you?
13:37<opalepatrick>Sorry I di and the output is at the top oif thast paste
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13:38<opalepatrick>Does that garble make sense babilen?
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13:40<babilen>opalepatrick: Could you copy that file to /var/cache/apt/archives ? -- Frankly, I don't quite understand why apt-get is not finding that package. What does "apt-cache policy libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32" give you?
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13:44<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, please check if /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb (with ls for example) -- if not, copy it there ... and try the reinstall ...
13:45<babilen>opalepatrick: Hmm, maybe just "dpkg -i *.deb" is another approach.
13:45<babilen>opalepatrick: *if it exists
13:45<polix>hello, I got some problems with nvidia 173. I have installed it with smxi. I can't activate the deskops effects in gnome 2.30. Any suggections?
13:45<opalepatrick>it does exist babilen - copied from ls - libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb
13:46<opalepatrick>sorry looking at the original file let me look babilen
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13:49<babilen>polix: We do not support smxi ... see "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms-173xx" for the supported way of installing it.
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13:49<polix>hello, I have a quection: why can I find no konversation in gnome-menu/Internet? I have installed it by terminal :)
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13:49<polix>babilien: thank you
13:49<Bushmills>konversation is a kde program, not a gnome program
13:49<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, make sure it is there and run "dpkg --configure --pending" and show me that.
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13:50<polix>bushmills: Ou..but kde-programms are compatible to gnome or not?
13:50<Bushmills>though it should still show. hm.
13:50<opalepatrick>babilen, not there so copying
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13:51<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, if its there you should hopefully be able to run the reinstall as well.
13:51<Bushmills>check under Debian -> Applications -> Network -> Communication
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13:51<rss>polix, Bushmills : update-menus?
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13:51<Bushmills>for stuff in debian submenu, yes
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13:51<polix>rss: what do you meant with update menu?
13:52<redrain>Hi, I'm trying to blacklist nouveau module. I've addet "blacklist nouveau" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but no luck. It keeps loading. What could be the problem?
13:53<scraze>redrain: rebuild your initrd image (e.g. update-initramfs -u ) and reboot
13:54<babilen>redrain: Debian's nvidia packages blacklist nouveau, so you just have to install those (/msg dpkg nvidia ; /msg dpkg nvidia dkms) and reboot.
13:54<rss>polix. there is a command that updates debian specific menus. namely update-menus. You run it in a terminal, possibly with sudo. Likely you will have to restart your window manager after. However that might be out of date. It still works for me, but my install old and I do not use gnome myself
13:54<babilen>redrain: That being said: Your approach should work, but you probably haven't updated the initramfs
13:54<babilen>redrain: Ah, scraze got that already
13:54<redrain>babilen, I've tried everything to install nvidia module but no luck. It gives "no such device error"
13:54<opalepatrick>babilen, no output from "dpkg --configure --pending" shall I just do "aptitude reinstall ~i~nnvidia" ?
13:54<babilen>opalepatrick: yeah
13:54<abrotman>rss: polix shouldn't have to restart the WM at all
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13:55<redrain>babilen, I've tried 3 different methods from debian wiki, same result. blacklisting nouveau is my last try
13:55<polix>abotman: you mean I should restart my PC? :)
13:55<rss>abrotman, OK, does update-menus still work then?
13:56<babilen>redrain: You *might* need a newer version for your card. Which GPU is it? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga)
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13:56<babilen>redrain: We typically recommend the DKMS way as detailed in "/msg dpkg dkms"
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13:56<opalepatrick>babilen, - looks the same?
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13:57<babilen>opalepatrick: "aptitude search ~b" ?
13:57<redrain>babilen, I tried it. But still gives no such device error. I'm not sure if it's about amd64 bit kernel but nothing worked for me
13:57<rss>abrotman, he asks if he should restart the pc then does it before we can answer?
13:57<babilen>redrain: lspci -nn|grep -i vga please
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13:58<opalepatrick>babilen, 4 items realted to virtualbox
13:59<redrain>Sory, I can't use X from new machine I'm working on,
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13:59<redrain>babilen, What would you need? I'll try to write
13:59<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, forget those. Could you just completely reinstall them (as in "dpkg -i *.deb") ... still not sure why aptitude can't find the package :-/
13:59<opalepatrick>ok will do
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14:00<babilen>redrain: The GPU or name of the card (e.g GeForce FX Go5650)
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14:01<redrain>babilen, It's NVIDIA GTX560, and lspci result: VGA Compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1201] (rev a1)
14:02<babilen>that sounds strangely familiar
14:02<redrain>babilen, Blacklisting nouveau didn't work even after update-initramfs :(
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14:04<babilen>redrain: Yeah, that version is not supported by the nvidia version in squeeze (195.36.31) -- It is, however, supported by the version in testing/sid ... Backports of those drivers should enter soon, but are not there yet.
14:04<rss>redrain: you did reboot after initramfs update right? Oh of course you did. Sorry for asking silly questions ;)
14:04<babilen>redrain: In fact, I am currently working with opalepatrick on installing a manual backport
14:05<babilen>redrain: You can check driver versions and supported chipset in the README.txt on
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14:07<redrain>babilen, There is no README on there
14:07<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, run "dpkg -i libgl1-nvidia-glx_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb" (and then the same for the nvidia-glx and xserver-xorg-nvidia)
14:07<babilen>redrain: Sure there is:
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14:08<redrain>babilen, Sory, I've checked exact link for REAMME
14:08<rss>redjustice, REAMME ??? are you sure?
14:09<babilen>redrain: That is the version in squeeze .. as you can see your card is not listed. ../275.36/README/README.txt is the one for the version in wheezy -- Is your card absolutely not working with nouveau?
14:09<rss>redrain, REAMME ?? are you sure
14:10<redrain>rss, Grammer Nazi?
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14:10<babilen>redrain: Computers typically insist on correct spelling
14:10<rss>redrain, no just thought the typo was funny. If if offended I apologize.
14:11<redrain>babilen, As I said, I've tried 3 different ways. And modprobe nvidia gives "No such device" error.
14:11<opalepatrick>babilen, sorry to be literal but there isnt a nvidia-glx file - do you mean the nvidia-glx_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb or the ia32 one?
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14:11<babilen>redrain: You card is *not supported* by the nvidia driver you installed and you need a newer version. I am asking if you could use nouveau *until* the version that supports your card appears in
14:12<babilen>opalepatrick: yes
14:12<redrain>rss, No need, I'm a bit nervous after nearly 5 hours of working on a GPU problem :(
14:12<babilen>opalepatrick: orr, the former
14:12<babilen>redrain: The nvidia version in squeeze (Debian stable) does not support your card
14:13<redrain>babilen, Thank you, I tried that too but X doesn't start with nouveou, just a black screen with blinking cursor I can't even change terminals
14:13<redrain>babilen, But I'll try again...
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14:14<opalepatrick>babilen, that worked just needed to install the xserver first to satisfy a dependency on the glx one
14:14<babilen>redrain: Ok, bad timing to be honest. The backport should be available in a few days, but it is not available right now.
14:14<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, so all installed sucessfully now and no complains? Did nvidia-kernel-dkms successfully compiled the module for your .39 kernel?
14:14<redrain>babilen, Thank you so much. How can I learn if it's backported?
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14:15<babilen>redrain: As you can see I am currently talking/pushing/praying_to_$DEITYing opalepatrick through the installation of those backports that I compiled locally. They will hit the mirrors soon though
14:15<babilen>redrain: You can check on (but they are not there yet)
14:16<redrain>babilen, Thank you so much again, I'll check in a few days
14:16<opalepatrick>havent got a clue babilen - seems like ages ago
14:16<babilen>redrain: How urgent is it?
14:17<babilen>opalepatrick: No, it can't be ages ago. Whe you install nvidia-kernel-dkms_280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb (which you should have done by now) does it compile the kernel module for .39?
14:17<redrain>Well I can't use my machine right now. I'll try to use nouveau again, if it'll not work, I'll stick with my old desktop
14:17<opalepatrick>sorry babilen - getting mixed up - 2 secs]
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14:19<opalepatrick>babilen, losing it a bit - where can I check that?
14:20<babilen>redrain: Ok, other options (all not really good ones): 1. Install the driver from NVIDIA directly and switch to debian's packages once they hit backports (you can uninstall those with nvidia-uninstaller, but we had some bad experience with their "packaging") 2. Download my manually compiled backports and install those manually ( -- but the manual installation is a bit ... well ...
14:20<babilen>... ... tricky
14:21<babilen>opalepatrick: Just run "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" to compile again is one option ..
14:21<opalepatrick>ok cheers
14:22<babilen>opalepatrick: But it should be in your console scrollback (when nvidia-kernel-dkms was installed)
14:23<redrain>babilen, I've tried to use NVIDIA installer, no luck there neither. It just says "can't build the module" and "No nvidia graphics device initialized". I'll try to use onboard VGA and wait a bit for your backports.
14:23<opalepatrick>you are right babilen - just getting mithered - DKMS install completed
14:23<babilen>redrain: If you have an intel card → use that!
14:24<opalepatrick>built for both kernels
14:24<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, that sounds good ... could you move the nvidia config in place again (the one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) and reboot?
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14:25<opalepatrick>I am really going to have to gen up a lot more after this - or get a new brain - what do you mean precisely babilen?
14:25<babilen>opalepatrick: hehe ... :)
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14:26<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, we created the configuration file for nvidia (i.e. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf) but you renamed it to something else in order to be able to use your computer. Having now sucessfully installed the backported driver (hopefully) you have to rename it again to the original name
14:27<babilen>opalepatrick: If you can not find it anywhere you can also regenerate it with: echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
14:27<babilen>opalepatrick: You have to run that command as root
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14:29<opalepatrick>ok babilen - dont remember doing that at all
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14:31<babilen>opalepatrick: Oh, maybe we didn't do that yet. Just make sure you *don't* have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and run "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/" and then the echo command above
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14:33<babilen>opalepatrick: And I so hope that it is working now ...
14:33<opalepatrick>I do have an xorg.conf babilen
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14:33<babilen>opalepatrick: why?
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14:33<opalepatrick>I have not got a clue - let me open it
14:34<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, to elaborate on that "why?" -- Xorg typically configures itself automatically these days and it is preferred (on Debian) to create configuration files for those things that it does not get right or that you want to change in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ... If you have no specific need, just move the xorg.conf somewhere else and run the two commands (mkdir + echo) I gave you above
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14:35<babilen>opalepatrick: Ok, the Module section is not needed and the Device section corresponds to the 20-nvidia.conf ... shouldn't be a problem with that xorg.conf as well.
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14:36<opalepatrick>sp leave it as is?
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14:36<babilen>would be an option .. you could also move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf or do that and remove the "Module" section .. but please reboot now and lets see if it finally works.
14:37*babilen crosses his fingers
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14:37<opalepatrick>before you do that I should do the two commands above?
14:38<opalepatrick>(cross your fingers)
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14:39<babilen>opalepatrick: No, those two commands are not needed with your xorg.conf ... they assume that you *do not* have *any* xorg configuration in place
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14:40<opalepatrick>babilen I have just done those 2 commands - so will I rm the xorg.conf file?
14:40<babilen>opalepatrick: yes
14:40<babilen>opalepatrick: (otherwise the same thing would be configured twice)
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14:41<opalepatrick>ok done babilen gonna reboot - so now cross your fingers :-)
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14:45<babilen>opalepatrick: hmm?
14:45<opalepatrick>lol, you may now cross your fingers and take a bow babilen
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14:46<opalepatrick>Thank you very much for persisting with an obvious amateur, babilen. Sorry for being so literal towards the end there. I was getting paranoid :-)
14:47<babilen>.. it .. is ... working?
14:47<opalepatrick>of course... I am in the new kernel now. Couldnt get here before
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14:48<babilen>opalepatrick: Wonderful -- Remember that this is only a temporary solution and that the packages in backports are what you actually want.
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14:48<opalepatrick>And as a bonus, it recognised my wi-fi adapter - which is where I actually started a couple of days ago!
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14:49<opalepatrick>OK, can I actually come back for advice on that when it happens?
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14:50<opalepatrick>OK, I need a drink... thanks once again babilen
14:50<babilen>opalepatrick: Same here ... pub o'clock anyway ..
14:50<rss>opalepatrick, offering cold beer
14:51<rss>babilen, a single malt oban
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14:51<babilen>rss: → #debian-offtopic
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14:52<rss>babilen, was my way of offering congratulations. Sorry.
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14:52<babilen>rss: Sure, no problem. I just wanted to make some comments on your choice of Whisky, but this is not the right channel for that.
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15:03<Qazjap11>wrong chan ><
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15:10<Guest18735>Hi, random question: I'm trying to 'grep -r' some scripts for occurances of OPTION_lowercase, but `grep -r 'OPTION_[a-z]'` is also returning OPTION_UPPERCASE. piping the result through `grep -v 'OPTION_[A-Z]'` also filters out all cases. same with egrep. (squeeze) any ideas?
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15:12<scraze>Guest18735: is perhaps your shell configured with aliases "grep -i" and "egrep -i" for grep and egrep ?
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15:14<Guest18735>`alias | grep grep` comes back empty, `type grep`returns "grep is hashed (/bin/grep)". I can work around it saving the result to a text file and doing the search in vim, but it is weird.
15:15<Guest18735>It seems to have to do with the [a-z], searching for an exact string is case sensitive
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15:20<scraze>Guest18735: indeed, that seems to be the behaviour for grep in squeeze! Grep in wheezy does behave as expected. You can still use "[[:lower:]]" and "[[:upper:]]" though.
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15:27<Guest18735>scraze: weird, I'm trying on another squeeze box right now and there it does work properly. both are amd64, and the md5sums of /usr/grep match (thank goodness :)
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15:33<scraze>Guest18735: from 'man grep', 'Character Classes and Bracket Expressions': "For example, in the default C locale, [a-d] is equivalent to [abcd]. Many locales sort characters in dictionary order, and in these locales [a-d] is typically not equivalent to [abcd]; it might be equivalent to [aBbCcDd], for example." - it's a locales thing!
15:34<Funshine>can someone please help me for the final time? i really tried everything nothing brings my Nvidia Geforce GT 520M to life. i want to make it finally work on my debian. i am using the unstable dist. kernel 3.1.0 amd 64 please please someone help me
15:36<scraze>Funshine: where do you get stuck?
15:36<Funshine>scraze: at the point where i try to startx after editing the xorg.conf file to run 'nvidia'
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15:37<Myrawing>its some one support here?
15:37<scraze>Funshine: is the nvidia kernel module loaded (lsmod | grep nvidia) ?
15:38<Funshine>scraze : yes.
15:38<Guest18735>scraze: aaahh... on my squeeze box where it worked I had set LANG=C in .profile. On the one that fails I have the default LANG=utf abomination.
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15:38<Myrawing>can explain how and if it posible to install debian fron hdd
15:39<Myrawing>I ddon’t have cdrom
15:39<Myrawing>and no internet,
15:39<scraze>Funshine: could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log (apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log) ?
15:39<Bushmills>Myrawing: how would you obtain debian?
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15:40<Myrawing>I download it
15:40<Myrawing>of course
15:40<Bushmills>without internet?
15:40<Myrawing>hey... with internet
15:40<scraze>Myrawing: you can write the CD iso to a usb key if you have one
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15:41<Myrawing>I will can not install from net... I have gsm modem
15:41<Myrawing>and it is to difficult tu configure for internet conection
15:41<Myrawing>I am not so cool in programing
15:42<scraze>Funshine: btw, we should move to #debian-next since it's about unstable "
15:43<Funshine>scraze: be back soon with the output i am on the Gnome at the moment so i'm exiting this x session to paste the output and will give you the link. (and yes i'll connect to the other channel) thanks.
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15:51<bazzare>hello everyone! I set up a crong job that looks like this; 30 * * * * /usr/bin/rsync -avh --delete /media/it "/media/My Book/backup/" and I was watching on the half our with the system monitor, and the process for rsync show up for about 2 second then goes away without syncing anything. there is over 100Gigs to sync can someone please help me out with why?
15:52<bazzare>I tried it both with root user and desktop user
15:52<Phoenix87>I want to create a desktop entry file to launch the command "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/ skype ". How can I do tahat?
15:53<valdyn>bazzare: does it work without cron?
15:53<sney>most DEs have a 'create launcher' option when you right click on the desktop
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15:55<bazzare>valdyn: yes
15:55<valdyn>bazzare: youre mailed the error, read it
15:55<bazzare>how would I do that, sorry I am kind of a noob
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15:56<valdyn>bazzare: this cron entry has to be in your users crontab ( or it wouldnt run rsync at all ), so read that users mail
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15:56<valdyn>bazzare: "mail" is one command to do that
15:57<bazzare>valdyn: how would I read a useres mail?
15:57<bazzare>valdyn: thanks
15:57<bazzare>valdyn: "mail" command did not work it said mail cannot be found
15:57<valdyn>bazzare: try mutt instead
15:58<bazzare>oh crap, sorry valdyn I am using ubuntu and I just relized I am in debian server
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15:58<bazzare>that might be why mail isnot htere
15:58<valdyn>bazzare: its installable
15:59<Nik05>hello guys
15:59<Nik05>im trying to run a DVD
15:59<valdyn>bazzare: package "mailutils"
15:59<Nik05>but it needs css to decrypt the dvd
15:59<Nik05>and i read on the internet that debian is not allowed to distribute dvdcss or something
16:00<Nik05>what to do?
16:00<dpkg>libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, install the libdvdcss2 package available from debian-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>.
16:00<valdyn>Nik05: ^^
16:00<rss>Nik05, add debian multimedia
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16:00<Phoenix87>solved thank you. I made a bash script called skype_v4l in /usr/bin/ with LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/ skype in it and created a desktop entry pointing to it
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16:01<Nik05>why would decrypting a dvd be illegal...? :S
16:01<rss>Nik05, ask the riaa
16:01<Nik05>what is the riaa?
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16:01<Nik05>oh some stupid american thing
16:01<Nik05>So what?
16:01<bazzare>I changed the time of the cron job to run and now it is working....hmmm
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16:02<valdyn>Nik05: its not illegal in most parts of the world.
16:02<bazzare>thanks for your help valdyn
16:02<Nik05>So why isnt it supported in Debian?
16:02<valdyn>Nik05: are you going to pay for the lawsuit?
16:03<Nik05>who are they going to suit?
16:03<valdyn>Nik05: anyone distributing libdvdcss
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16:03<Nik05>yes but who "owns" Debian?
16:03<Nik05>they cant suit you
16:04<ompaul>Nik05: not the point see the answer given
16:04<ansgar>Nik05: Sure they can.
16:04<ompaul>servers have to behosted etc
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16:04<valdyn>Nik05: thats not relevant, what relevant is who distributes it
16:04<Nik05>so dont host them in USA :P
16:04<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
16:05<valdyn>Nik05: more like "dont traval to usa if you are distributing it"
16:05<Nik05>who wants to go to the USA? :P
16:05<valdyn>Nik05: where its hosted is irrelevant
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16:05<valdyn>geez, enough...
16:05<Nik05>where you host it is relevant i think...
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16:05<rss>valdyn, agreed
16:06<Nik05>cause if you distribute it in the netherlands you fall under the dutch law and not the usa law
16:06<Nik05>but ok :P
16:06<valdyn>Nik05: thats not correct
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16:07<Nik05>wel usa sucks so dont go there :P
16:07<ompaul>Nik05: please go research this online, you will find lots of good information out there on it. You can if you so choose install from mm or leave it alone, but the whole other stuff is offtopic.
16:07<rss>Nik05, take this to #debian-offtopic
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16:07<ompaul>it is not core to debian support :)
16:08<Nik05>is it normal that i get a GPG error when adding to sources.list?
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16:09<Nik05>The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
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16:09<rss>Nik05, yes that is normal you need to add the key
16:09<Nik05>a install keyring :p
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16:09<ompaul>Nik05: it says so on the web page
16:10<Nik05>yes i know, im reading to fast :P
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16:10<Nik05>ok got it installed :D
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16:11<Nik05>and then it failed to play the dvd...
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16:12<ompaul>did you re insert the dvd and restart the program or any or both of those?
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16:12<Nik05>im playing with mplayer
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16:12<Nik05>so its stopped after trying to play something
16:13<rss>Nik05, did you reinstall mplayer?
16:13<Nik05>why would i reinstall it...? :P
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16:14<rss>Nik05, because debian multimedia has it's own mplayer that can use the libs you installed
16:14<Nik05>ah ok
16:14<Nik05>should i just use aptitude reinstall or something?
16:15<qseprod>hey guys- say i have a /23 subnetwork, will adding more machines "slow" the network down in any meaningful way?
16:15<rss>after apt-get update, apt-get install --reinstall mplayer
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16:15<Nik05>is that the same as aptitude reinstall mplayer?
16:16<ompaul>qseprod: if they are turned off and have no requirement for dist-upgrading all the time then no, if you use them for bandwidth intensive applications ... well
16:16<rss>Nik05, I have no idea. possibly!
16:16<youngblood>I'm trying to get to the server, to ask some questions on LinuxMint12. Xchat won't let me select that server. Can anyone help?
16:17<rss>qseprod, more than 252 machines? Wow!
16:17<ompaul>youngblood: where you are type /server
16:17<qseprod>rss: yes! /23 hardcore bro
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16:18<youngblood>ompaul, I'm not. I use the drop down window.
16:18<ompaul>youngblood: I just told ya how to get there
16:18<ompaul>then /join whatever they use for a channel
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16:19<Nik05>rss still not working
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16:19<Nik05>"Try appending the scale filter to your filter list"
16:19<Nik05>or something...
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16:20<rss>qseprod, using a /23 should not impact your net unless all machines are online all of the time and downloading etc. It seems there is a limit on the amount of data you can try to force through a 1GB network. or even an 10GB network :)
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16:21<qseprod>rss: we are setting up a 10 machine hadoop cluster
16:21<rss>Nik05, try mplayer -vo xv dvd://
16:21<rodrigo>Como faço para entrar no chat do brasil?
16:21<Nik05>rss, also not working
16:22<rss>Nik05, mplayer -vo x11 dvd://
16:22<Nik05>also not working :P
16:23<qseprod>rss: would the complexity of setting up / maintaining a seperate subnet be worth it? what about putting those machines on a seperate switch? are any real advantages to that?
16:23<rss>Nik05, without proper output in a pastebin I doubt that I can help you further. Can you provide?
16:23<Nik05>yes trying to :P
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16:24<qseprod>\whois qseprod
16:24<Nik05>that is with -vo x11
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16:26<Nik05>strange somethings are missing from pastebin...
16:26<rss>qseprod, if you can physically separate always go for that. If you use a smart switch and vlan look at vconfig in debian. Make sure your switch backplane has enough capacity to carry the load though.
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16:26<valdyn>qseprod: subnetting just makes things slower, what could possibly be the advantage?
16:26<valdyn>qseprod: ( unless you cant get a proper switch )
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16:28<Nik05>rss its not outputting everything in pastebin...
16:28<Nik05>and when i do mplayer ... > log
16:28<Nik05>its still outputting somethings in console
16:28<valdyn>Nik05: mplayer 2>&1 > log
16:28<qseprod>valdyn: i don't know- i work as a sysadmin and our hadoop cluster was setup on it's own network when i got here... i just don't understand why. (and the guy whom i replaced was a dumbass)
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16:29<valdyn>qseprod: I suspect theres no particular demand on network speed between some net and the hadoop cluster
16:29<qseprod>i was just trying to see what the advantages of such an arrangement could possibly be
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16:29<Nik05>valdyn, that 2>&1 is not working either...
16:30<valdyn>Nik05: it works.
16:30<valdyn>Nik05: maybe youre using it wrongly or maybe youre not using bash
16:30<Nik05>ah its see 2>&1 as a parameter in mplayer...
16:30<valdyn>qseprod: the advantage is that you can have one router controlling and crossing traffic
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16:31<valdyn>Nik05: mplayer cant see the as a parameter in bash
16:31<Nik05>well now it does :S
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16:31<valdyn>qseprod: s/and/any/
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16:32<valdyn>qseprod: another possible advantage is to reduce load on the switch
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16:34<Nik05>and valdyn im using bash...
16:34<valdyn>qseprod: but maybe this is just arbitrary, since there might be no high load on the network nor any demand for a firewall in between
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16:35<Nik05>or im using it wrong :P
16:35<Nik05>thanks valdyn it worked :D:D:D:D: rss here it is
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16:35<Nik05>why would mplayer look at my joystick device....
16:36<valdyn>Nik05: it just does
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16:36<retrospectacus>it also looks for a remote control
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16:37<valdyn>Nik05: why are you showing us that log?
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16:37<Nik05>cause it is not working :p
16:37<valdyn>Nik05: *what* is not working?
16:37<rss>qseprod, valdyn: isolation and understanding flows is what this is all about. When you have a common collision domain and some piece of hardwar eg. 10 mbit printer that insists on using flow controll can totally slowdown your network. Isolating either in vlan if yous switch supports it of physically if it does not can really boost performance
16:37<Nik05>mplayer is not player the dvd
16:38<valdyn>Nik05: its playing the dvd part you told it to play
16:38<valdyn>Nik05: run "lsdvd", pick the longest title
16:38<Nik05>so dvd:// is not the whole dvd? :P
16:38<valdyn>Nik05: then run "mplayer dvd://5" for title 5
16:38<valdyn>Nik05: no, mplayer has no dvd menu support
16:39<valdyn>Nik05: the longest title is usually what you want, but i cant know what *you* want in this case
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16:39<Nik05>ah ok thanks :D
16:39<Nik05>Longest track: 05
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16:40<valdyn>Nik05: xine or vlc have dvd menu support, use what you like
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16:42<rss>Nik05, what does mplayer dvd://5 give you
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16:51<rss>valdyn, I guess Nik05 is watching his DVD now ?
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16:59<rss>Time to quit. g'night all
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17:06<Rikle_S_>i'd like to install debian but i have no monitor
17:06<Rikle_S_>is there a solution, by ssh ?
17:06<rjsalts>Rikle_S_: sure is
17:07<rjsalts>Rikle_S_: but it doesn't start till a few screens in with the advanced installer
17:07<Rikle_S_>i search theis on, but i didn't find somthing good
17:07<rjsalts>Rikle_S_: I think you'd need to customize the installer to get it to that point without intervention
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17:08<Rikle_S_>i will never be able to change the installer
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17:09<rjsalts>6th dot point down is exactly what you want
17:09<babilen>Rikle_S_: And you are after -- Can you remove the harddisk from the computer and access it on another one? If so you could use debootstrap
17:10<c5-03>what is it currently running?
17:10<Rikle_S_>yes i can do that
17:10<Rikle_S_>it's a new PC
17:10<babilen>!tell Rikle_S_ -about debootstrap
17:11<c5-03>does it have netboot capability?
17:12<Rikle_S_>it's not a netbook. i think a don't understand your question
17:13<c5-03>you need to get (debian) software on it to start the install process somehow... can the network board boot from a DHCP/BOOTP server?
17:14<c5-03>if not, youre out of luck id say. otherwise see links above
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17:15<Rikle_S_>i have DHCP server, whitch can send the network on the network bord
17:15<Rikle_S_>i've download the netinstall
17:16<Rikle_S_>(sorry for my english)
17:16<c5-03>that goes on the DHCP server i guess... and you have to tell it to send that to the machine based on the MAC address
17:16<c5-03>(im guessing here btw)
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17:16<babilen>Rikle_S_: And you really have no monitor around?
17:17<c5-03>but maybe you need to do the preseed thing 1st
17:17<c5-03>hmm, actually netinst is for doing a network install *from* the machine itself
17:18<c5-03>which is not what you want
17:18<Rikle_S_>babilen: i'm on a laptop, but it's a mac, so all is closed, and the video IN is not like on this PC
17:18*Rikle_S_ fucking mac
17:18<Rikle_S_>so i have no other monitor
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17:19<Rikle_S_>c5-03: yes :/
17:20<c5-03>do that
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17:21<c5-03>^ this is the concept you want
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17:22<lfaraone>I have a nfs3 Centos 5 server, and can access it fine from Centos 5/6 and Fedora 16. But on Debian squeeze, running «sudo mount -t nfs /mnt» replies with "mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified". I'm not specifying any options, though.
17:23<ompaul>lfaraone: at a guess if you run mount.nfs the partition it might give you more ideas there is some way to get a better idea one is nfs v3 vs nfs v4
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17:23<ompaul>I have no examples to hand atm so I'm not much use to you just at the moment
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17:26<Rikle_S_>c5-03: it look like what i want, but i will not be able to do that
17:26<Nik05>ah yes rss dvd://5 worked :D
17:26<c5-03>Rikle_S_, well go find a monitor, because thats your only option!
17:26<Nik05>valdyn i dont really like vlc...
17:26<Rikle_S_>all right
17:26<lfaraone>ompaul: ah, fwiw, debugging output is at
17:26<Nik05>used it a long time but there are still some irratating bugs
17:27<ompaul>mount -vv -t nfs -o nfsvers=3 host:/mountpoint /local/mount/point
17:27<ompaul>lfaraone: ^^ that one worked for me once
17:28<luiz_>i have a notebook sony vaio serie vgn-z he doesnt boot any ubuntu cd or ubuntu dvd. he just boot your cd original with windows xp. When i put the cd of the windows he opens your instalation and before finish he gives screen blue. he works perfectly with your cd original but i dont want windows i want ubuntu!!
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17:29<sney>!ubuntuirc luiz_
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17:30<sney>luiz_: this is not the ubuntu irc channel. you want #ubuntu on
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17:32<dpkg>luiz_: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
17:32<sney>that was some lag.
17:33<luiz_>sney, but this dont work for debian too :/ wherever ubuntu.. or debian.. or slackware.. or gentoo... really i want linux
17:33<sney>luiz_: ok, maybe try a usb installer instead
17:33<c5-03>and #linux
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17:35<sney>luiz_: if you have a usb drive or other bootable flash memory, download and write to usb with in windows (dd or cat in linux)
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17:37<PaulloWeslley>Boa Noite!
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17:37<PaulloWeslley>Alguem on?!
17:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:42<luiz_>sney, ok. thanks
17:42<luiz_>sney, but.. i don't tried still but i think what this don't will work because the problem dont is the cdrom... maybe something what original cd sonyvaio did.. maybe inside bios or... i dont know.. i never had this problem
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17:43<c5-03>luiz i cant understand your english at all, but if it helps, some machines (sony viao being one) need special settings in bios to boot from cdrom properly
17:43<sney>luiz_: I don't really understand what you said, but I think your cdrom drive is broken. Try with usb since that uses no cdrom
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17:45<sney>luiz_: also you can try in #debian-es for spanish
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17:52<luiz_>I have not tried it but I think it will not work because my cd player is working perfectly well. The problem is that I installed windows xp that comes with the Sony Vaio VGN-z to test then I tried to install debian linux again but at boot time debian gets a black screen forever and the DVD stops running. sorry my bad english. ( sney, c5-03 )
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17:53<c5-03>like i said, it probably needs changes in bios.
17:53<luiz_>ah.. the BIOS is configured correctly
17:53<c5-03>i doubt it
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17:54<luiz_>and the only bios settings to set the date, time and boot order
17:55<c5-03>buy new computer!
17:55<c5-03>thats pathetic
17:55<luiz_>its true
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17:57<amphi>luiz_: it might be worth trying to boot the install with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line option
17:57<luiz_>c5-03, at least I learned that I never use those operating systems that comes with the notebook but I'll keep trying to work it .. makes no sense that kind of problem: /
17:57<c5-03>he doesnt even get that far as i understand it
17:57<c5-03>the bootloader is crapping itself?
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17:58<c5-03>dunno. luiz, i had a friend a while ago with one of those things. he gave up in the end. it was so retarded.
17:59<c5-03>so, be warned
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17:59<amphi>luiz_: what model vaio is it?
18:00<amphi>VGN-Z what?
18:00<luiz_>amphi, vgn-z790ddb
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18:01<amphi>luiz_: what cpu is in it?
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18:04<luiz_>amphi, I think it's a 2.3GHz intel core 2 due
18:04<amphi>oh, ok - because there a hundreds of models
18:04<luiz_>I do not remember and does not appear in the bios .. only memory and hd
18:06<c5-03>what kind of a computer doesnt show the cpu clock rate on startup?!?
18:06<c5-03>holy shit!
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18:07<amphi>er, mine
18:08<amphi>doesn't have a 'turbo' button either *sniff*
18:08<sney>on a lot of computers you have to hit tab or something for it to give you standard POST info like cpu speed and memory count
18:08<sney>and it just gives you a big logo otherwise
18:09<c5-03>id say he knows that
18:09<c5-03>or am i overestimating him?
18:10<sney>sounds like a new computer
18:10<sney>though with this kind of language barrier it's tough to tell
18:10<c5-03>that does remind me of a point - some computers hide the *real* bios stuff well, and require more than the standard/usual key mashing to get to it.
18:11<c5-03>i dont know about sonys, but its a possibility
18:11<amphi>sony is capable of any evil
18:11<sney>I know when I was a laptop tech I really hated working on vaios
18:11<c5-03>these are usually found in computers designed for idiots,.
18:11<sney>though I don't remember if it was more the flimsy construction, or their horrible warranty system
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18:13<amphi>Oh, dear (apropos Z-series vaios), "A poor system BIOS that is completely unconfigurable, that relies on detecting Windows versions to determine operation."
18:13<amphi>hard to believe, even of Sony
18:13<c5-03>not at all
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18:14<c5-03>in fact thats exactly what id expect from them :P
18:14<amphi>c5-03: I lead a sheltered life ;)
18:14<c5-03>i envy you
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18:16<amphi>luiz_: has it got a working windows install on it?
18:17<amphi>luiz_: if so, it might be worth booting into that, disabling the nvidia card, and rebooting into the installer (I presume it's one of those models with an intel & a nvidia card in it)
18:17<sney>ugh optimus
18:17<sney>the nvidia+intel thing
18:18<amphi>'pessimus' perhaps
18:18<luiz_>he has two video cards. Intel and Nvidia and I have no way to disable.
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18:19<sney>it's not supported properly under any linux OS.
18:19<amphi>luiz_: in windows, you can disable one or the other, I believe
18:19<c5-03>thankyou for supporting broken hardware.
18:20<amphi>poor luiz_ shouldn't be abandoned, undefenestrated
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18:21<c5-03>whats the name of that thing that boots linux from a running windos? is that a last ditch possibility?
18:21<c5-03>linboot? or something
18:21<amphi> ?
18:22<amphi>I suspect he'd just get a black screen again
18:22<luiz_>I used linux on it before installing the windows that comes with the notebook. and to the point I no operating system .. I thought it was something in HD and tried with dd if = / dev / zero .... but still not solved.
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18:22<c5-03>with the right kernel arguments... maybe not
18:22<c5-03>ah. so it did work at one point?
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18:23<luiz_>no, it didnt
18:24<c5-03>bad english again :/
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18:25<amphi>luiz_: you succeeded to install linux?
18:25<Torsten_W>luiz_, if you want linux, boot your system with nouveau.modeset=0 as kernelparameter
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18:27<luiz_>amphi, yes
18:27<amphi>luiz_: listen to Torsten_W
18:27<luiz_>amitz, dont work
18:28<Torsten_W>and btw, this sounds like sandybridge, then debian stable is a bad choice
18:29<c5-03>luiz does the bootloader on the cd work? at what point do you get a blank screen?
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18:29<c5-03>you still havent explained that, and until you do, you'll be forever getting people going "just use kernel parameter <bla bla>"
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18:31<luiz_>I put the CD in the debian cd player, push the power button, at the time of boot black screen appears
18:32<c5-03>so the bootloader on the cd is failing
18:32<amphi>I must go and prepare a burnt offering to myself
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18:33<luiz_>I tried with several cds and. different ISO but it only works with windows
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18:34<c5-03>frankly i think you should throw the piece of shit into the trash... but im googling for that 'boot linux from windos' thing for you... its taking longer than i thought.
18:35<c5-03>have you tried something like knoppix?
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18:37<babilen>c5-03: win32-loader? (as in or "/msg dpkg setup.exe" or ?
18:38<c5-03>heh, oh, i thought you were joking... yeah
18:38<luiz_>c5-03, amphi, sney, thank you for your attention and patience of you I'm going to work here and when I can I try to explain what happens.
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18:44<scraze>reinstalled a kernel on a dedicated server that was having trouble last week with grub, so I'm trying to be extra careful before rebooting; the newly installed kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64 replacing 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 and as such grub still sees 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 as the newest kernel / kernel to boot;
18:44<scraze>changed /etc/default/grub 's GRUB_DEFAULT to the textual entry I need, made sure update-initramfs was run for both kernels, and ran update-grub .. anything else I should check ?
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18:49<c5-03>looks good to me. go for it!
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19:14<scraze>yay, glorious success. Thanks for the vote of confidence c5-03 ;]
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19:48<heikkila>scraze, which file did you edit?
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19:49<scraze>'twas /etc/default/grub I think you mean?
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19:50<heikkila>Thanks, I forgot which one it was, and I didn't see it in /etc/grub.d/
19:50<c5-03>sometimes its called menu.list or something
19:51<heikkila>c5-03, I think the older grub uses /boot/grub/menu.lst
19:51<c5-03>or more accurately... exactly!
19:52<mint>can someone tell me what server i need to use to join the linuxmint-debian channel?
19:52<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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20:49<heikkila>Hey craicovik
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21:16<pyRite>on debian squeeze, the permissions of Audio Disc could not be determined, can't eject disc, help
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21:17<c5-03>sounds like your driver blew up. reboot?
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21:18<pyRite>shouldn't have to reboot to unmount a disc, whats the cure?
21:19<c5-03>you shouldnt, but the cd driver blew up... code it better and send a patch. else reboot
21:19<pyRite>five times now its done this
21:19<pyRite>so much for stable
21:19<c5-03>no one said its perfect
21:20<pyRite>dang near it though
21:20<c5-03>if its done that 5 times with reboots in between, hmm, you may have another problem?
21:21<JoeKickass>pyRite: is that in nautilus? or "eject" entered on the terminal?
21:21<c5-03>if its 5 times in a row without reboots, then yeah - driver blew up. its happened to me too
21:21<c5-03>the code for cds is pretty terrible across all linux
21:22<c5-03>possibly because the vendors dont release their protocols
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21:22<pyRite>just one dvd or cd drive acts this way the other one works everytime
21:22<MrFrood>more to do with the guy the kept the cd-drive db going nuts
21:23<c5-03>looks more like the driver blew up
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21:26<pyRite>DBus error org.gtk.PrivDBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pendingate.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending
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21:38<pyRite>found the problem, sound-juicer was hanging on to it, uninstalled sound-juicer and now it works great, unmounts everytime
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21:40<JoeKickass>nice :)
21:41<pyRite>always the simple stuff messing up
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21:43<c5-03>how does that explain the ??? permissions?
21:44<c5-03>it should NEVER do that - its a bug
21:44<pyRite>I don't know it just works now and that is all I care about
21:44<c5-03>hmpf... and we'll see that again in another few years. :|
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22:07<Nameeater>if a bug report has a follow up message that is spam, is it ok to use the 'send a report that this bug log contains spam' or is that only if the original report was spam?
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22:07<abrotman>Nameeater: it would make sense for the former
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22:10<Nameeater>abrotman: the link on the confirmation page hints that I'm reporting the initial report as spam, but I agree with you
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22:12<Nameeater>the report confirmation however is much more clear
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22:19<abrotman>okay then ..
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23:41<heikkila>c5-03, what version of Debian are you running?
23:42<c5-03>what an odd question. hang on, ill check...
23:42<c5-03>sam:~# cat /etc/debian_version
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23:43<c5-03>surge@animal:/opt/freevo/music/Beastie Boys$ cat /etc/debian_version
23:43<heikkila>No wonder it's boring ;)
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23:44<c5-03>huh? i was talking about THIS CHANNEL! :P
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23:45<c5-03>hmm, why is one .8 and another .6... thats odd though.
23:45<heikkila>well, it's only for support, so I guess noone needs it right now
23:45<c5-03>true... hows that for a 'support' question then - why are my versions different?
23:45<heikkila>You made one or two point release updates more on the one?
23:45<Hydroxide>yeah, the channel's activity level varies, but not too many timezones are paying attention to IRC now
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23:46<c5-03>i dont even know what a point release is... how could i have done that?
23:47<c5-03>all i did was apt-get update at various times... and maybe aptitude update bla bla
23:47<Hydroxide>c5-03: if you did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade more recently on one than the other, that's what it would be
23:47<Hydroxide>c5-03: they're both debian 5.0 "lenny"
23:47<Hydroxide>c5-03: one just has a few more fixes
23:47<Hydroxide>doing that on both will bring them both current
23:48<heikkila>I don't know the exact definition, but I guess a point release fixes a few major issues
23:48<c5-03>its odd, because at one point i upgrade to <whatever the next one was> but it broke everything so i downgraded again.
23:48<c5-03>it didnt respond to that. apparently
23:48<Hydroxide>yes, it integrates the debian security fixes released by the time it was prepared as well as a few other important fixes
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23:49<c5-03>and that was for BOTH machines
23:50<Hydroxide>c5-03: I should mention that, in keeping with debian's usual policies, debian 5.0 "lenny" will probably cease to be supported roughly in february of next year, and you will want to upgrade to debian 6.0 "squeeze" which came out february 2011. don't just upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade though; follow the release notes to avoid most problems and fix any that do happen
23:50<Hydroxide>c5-03: if you follow the upgrading instructions and advice there, it should go smoothly, and you can ask for help with that here if you need it
23:51<c5-03>Hydroxide, i know, i know. and i have no choice. there are drivers that dont work on later releases.
23:51<c5-03>these computers are over 10 years old
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23:51<Hydroxide>ah. in that case, yeah, certain X drivers may have dropped support
23:51<Hydroxide>though unaccelerated fbdev/vesa stuff might be available
23:52<Hydroxide>for server stuff though, an over 10 year old computer should run fine on squeeze
23:52<Hydroxide>well that's true with any current version of Linux, nothing Debian-specific
23:52<c5-03>i didnt say it was.
23:53<c5-03>im happy enough... you arseholes will all laugh at me in another 10 years for running lenny, but bleh... i dont care
23:53<Hydroxide>c5-03: we aren't laughing. requirements like that definitely exist, and we understand that. you're certainly allowed to use lenny for as long as you want, like with any free/open source software. just be aware that it'll rapidly get more dangerous from a security perspective to connect it to the internet or untrusted user access / untrusted data
23:54<Hydroxide>in certain isolated environments, it can certainly make sense to do what you're doing
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23:55<c5-03>im no n00b to security. ill be fine. thanks for the concern.
23:55<Hydroxide>honestly, in another 10 years I'll be more impressed at the longevity of the hardware if it's still running :)
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23:55<c5-03>if you want to help, port the damn drivers to newer releasese!
23:55<Hydroxide>presumably you're referring to the intel drivers?
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23:55<c5-03>also its good hardware, i dont see why not.
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23:56<c5-03>no, one is a fglrx driver for a thinkpad, the other is ... i cant remember.
23:56<c5-03>the other might be a case of 'im just lazy'
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23:57<Hydroxide>ah. well in that case, you could heck the free radeon support - it's improved vastly over the last few years, and frequently does have acceleration. i thought you were referring to intel.
23:57<Hydroxide>*in that case, you could check...
23:57<Hydroxide>no way to port fglrx for anyone without access to its source code - it's a binary AMD/ATI blob
23:57<Hydroxide>and I can confirm I don't work for AMD/ATI or otherwise have access to it :)
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23:58<Hydroxide>but the free radeon support does support older stuff on current than fglrx does
23:58<c5-03>well, since the only thing thats changed is the kernel, theres no real reason it couldnt be ported.
23:59<Hydroxide>no, actually, has undergone quite significant changes between lenny and squeeze (and corresponding versions of other Linuxes)
23:59<sney>gcc and Xorg changes too
23:59<Hydroxide>definitely there are changes needed in the precompiled-binary-blob part
23:59<c5-03>you realize of course, that none of these problems are specific to debian... ive never used a precompiled kernel in my life.
23:59<Hydroxide>yes, which is why I said the (...)
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