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00:00<sney>I have a radeon x1300 on this laptop, and it's only supported by the free radeon driver... and that's fine. it's got 3d acceleration. it plays videos. it runs minecraft.
00:00<c5-03>either way... the hardware hasnt changed. theres no real excuse, except no one cares about it anymore
00:00<Hydroxide>but equally, none of these problems can be fixed within the fglrx driver by anyone outside of the AMD/ATI NDA world
00:00<Hydroxide>because it's a binary proprietary blob. the fix from the community as a whole is to use the free radeon driver which has 3d acceleration
00:00<sney>I hope a day comes when the free driver is good enough that nobody cares about the non-free one
00:00<metaspike>im happy with the free radeon driver so far. unless opencl becomes more streamlined to the fgrlx driver, maybe then i would switch but for all considerations, i think the ati nonfree driver is nearly on par with nvidias.
00:01<sney>allegedly, ati contributes to radeon, so that will probably happen before we're all old
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00:01<Hydroxide>yes, ati/amd is participating a lot more in the free radeon driver than nvidia is in nouveau
00:01<c5-03>the blob just accesses the hardware. the new kernel dont compile properly because they dont interface with it. its entirely an oss issue
00:01<sney>nouveau doesn't get any help from upstream whatsoever and even that one has 3d now
00:01<Hydroxide>c5-03: the blob has to interact with properly
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00:02<Hydroxide>c5-03: the blob has actually dropped support for accessing older hardware. that was an AMD/ATI decision
00:03<Hydroxide>c5-03: if you use the newer blob and newer on the lenny kernel, it still won't work with older hardware
00:03<Hydroxide>feel free to try if you like.
00:03<metaspike>i have, lol- not good.
00:03<Hydroxide>you can also check the AMD/ATI changelog
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00:04<Hydroxide>they should mention which version was the first in which they dropped support for your chipset
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00:05<Hydroxide>but, clearly you've heard some positive testimony about the free radeon driver; I had a several-year-old radeon computer that worked nicely with that driver too, though I'm not using it as my main box any more
00:05<Hydroxide>and, yes, including acceleration
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00:05<Hydroxide>and yes, in some configurations only the free driver worked and not fglrx
00:05<c5-03>now youre talking about firmware... the blob i was refering to was the driver
00:06<Hydroxide>I am talking about the driver too
00:06<c5-03>can you not see that its possible to make a driver that uses old hardware (+firmware) and interface with new kernel/xorg
00:06<Hydroxide>the free radeon driver does typically require firmware for proper acceleration, at least the current version does. that's not what I meant.
00:07<c5-03>thats what needs to be done, but its old, no one cares, and i dont have the energy or knowledge, so it wont be done
00:07<Hydroxide>of course it's possible. ATI has done that in fglrx, even, but they dropped support for your hardware. the community has done it in the free software radeon driver, but that doesn't meet your needs for reasons I still don't understand
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00:08<c5-03>hmm, actually, you reminded me that fglrx isnt free.. yes... maybe one day the radeon one will work...
00:08<c5-03>sorry i forgot about that distinction
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00:09<Hydroxide>yeah, I think now that you remember that we're on the same page
00:09<c5-03>but still in the same place :/
00:09<metaspike>what video card are you running c5-03?
00:09<Hydroxide>c5-03: I'd be surprised if some existing version of the free software radeon driver doesn't support your card with some useful acceleration. that might be in squeeze, or in squeeze-backports, or something newer than squeeze.
00:09<c5-03>there are some rudimentary 3d stuff in radeon iirc
00:09<c5-03>but not enough
00:10<Hydroxide>if you're testing with the lenny version, don't. it's meaningless for the purpose of evaluating newer versions
00:10<c5-03>oh the radeon driver works, certainly! its just not fast enough
00:10<c5-03>metaspike, whatevers on the thinkpad T42p firegl? i cant remember atm
00:11<metaspike>Mobility Fire GL T2
00:12<c5-03>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2] (rev 80)
00:12*c5-03 suddenly remembered he had a ssh session right there and lspci
00:12<Hydroxide>c5-03: you should try booting off of a live cd from some distro that's been released in the past few months, just to see if new stuff supports your chipset nicely enough for your needs. if the answer is yes, probably you can make it work with either squeeze, squeeze + squeeze-backports, or some more bleeding edge version of debian
00:13<c5-03>actually i fully upgraded to squeeze at one point... thats how i know it doesnt work well enough
00:14<metaspike>im pretty sure there's a newer xorg version in backports but i doubt that's going to help
00:14<c5-03>and why im confused these machine still report different versions
00:14<Hydroxide>well, that only tests what shipped with squeeze. that doesn't test any of the stuff that's newer than squeeze, including squeeze-backports or stuff that's newer still
00:14<c5-03>(although this one is the .8 one)
00:15<Hydroxide>and upgrading xorg and the kernel and the radeon drm/dri stuff to the squeeze-backports version may well work
00:15<Hydroxide>those often have to be somewhat in coordination
00:15<Hydroxide>in roder for acceleration to work
00:15<heikkila>and 5.0.9 seems to be the newest
00:15<Hydroxide>*in order
00:15<c5-03>"if it aint broke, dont fix it" thats my motto!
00:16<Hydroxide>sure, that's fine for now
00:16<Hydroxide>good luck!
00:16<c5-03>now ask me why i have several 10 year old computers running
00:17<c5-03>damn kids.
00:17<heikkila>I'm afraid it might be offtopic, and also who cares about your choices as long as it's running?
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00:25<c5-03>it *would* be nice to run the latest
00:25<c5-03>but if thats not an option. meh.
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00:29<metaspike>c5-03, here's the latest *free* xorg driver in backports.
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00:32<qiyong_>is it good to use isc dhcpd listen on and gives out ips on public interfaces?
00:32<metaspike>soo. you could do the "aptitude install -t squeeze-backports xserver-xorg-video-radeon" after adding backports to your repository, aptitude should (in theory) update the other things which need updating. i guess the bottom line is that ATI has dropped support for that hardware, so their binary only driver just isn't an option (unless they release the source! as if!)
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00:33<c5-03>metaspike, i think we already agreed that yes fglrx is stopped, and also IF the radeon ever gets fast enough i will be able to upgrade. that is not currently a possibility though. thanks
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00:34<c5-03>qiyong_, say again... in english?
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00:47<zimme_>Anyone who's knowledgeble in the c++?
00:47<c5-03>sort of.
00:48<c5-03>actually not really. i hate it. and stick to c wherever possible.
00:48<zimme_>Ok would u mind helping me out? I am doing a small program for school where I am trying to use ifstream as a general variable in a class and it kinda craps out when I try to assign a value to it in the constructor
00:48<c5-03>but no one else is talking and youre on the wrong channel, so what are you going to do
00:48<zimme_>Yeah hard to find people
00:49<c5-03>im not doing your homework for you
00:49<zimme_>fair enough,
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00:50<zimme_>Just asking about a compilation error you don't have to be a dick
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00:51<c5-03>the answer to that will be in your lecture notes.
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02:16<valdyn>zimme: my c++ is *very* rusty* but you cant construct an object that has only its type declared but no definition
02:16<c5-03>"its defined, but not defined" is what you just said
02:17<valdyn>zimme: no, i said declared but not defined
02:17<c5-03>you mean instantiated
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02:17<c5-03>and my spelling sucks
02:17<valdyn>c5-03: yea, same thing
02:18<c5-03>you can forward declare stuff, just like c. you need to explain more
02:19<valdyn>c5-03: so then that implies that the method does not exist
02:20<c5-03>what method?
02:20<valdyn>(std::ifstream) (const char [6])
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02:21<c5-03>oh youre that guy again.
02:21<valdyn>c5-03: no im not
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02:21<c5-03>#include <stdio.h>
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02:22<c5-03>do not manually forward define it, or youll be writing shit code. bother to look up the API
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02:26<g0rs>any c language experts here?
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02:28<c5-03>wtf is some where in america having a massive test today?
02:28<g0rs>what test?
02:29<c5-03>i dont know, youre the 3rd guy entering this channel about DEBIAN, but asking about his homework
02:29<c5-03>in c/c++
02:29<g0rs>its not about homework. i was seeing this piece of code of zsnes emulator
02:30<g0rs>and a coding construct baffled me
02:30<c5-03>thats one hell of a coincidence then. whats the question
02:30<g0rs>hold on
02:31<c5-03>and youre still in the wrong channel, but no ones talking, and im bored, so... go ahead
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02:35<dioz>drink around 4 litres of orange juice a day
02:36<c5-03>dont tell me what to do!
02:36<g0rs>orange juice is good for body and brain
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02:36<c5-03>what are you, my mother?
02:36<dioz>don't tell me what to do either
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02:37<matsp888>i'm your momma
02:38<g0rs>someobody is trying to be my momma as well :.
02:38<matsp888>so you have several
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02:38<g0rs>or she is my momma
02:38<matsp888>i was joking of course
02:38<g0rs>to control my personal and professional life each day
02:39<matsp888>yeah... gotcha
02:39<matsp888>that sux
02:39<g0rs>there are lot of cattle who follow her
02:39<matsp888>who is this woman?
02:39<matsp888>your real mom, yo umean?
02:39<matsp888>you even
02:39<g0rs>not my real mom but this she is mom or a large numbe of people
02:39<matsp888>there's a lot of cattle/lemmings/whatever following other people every day really
02:40<matsp888>look at Hitler, bad example
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02:40<g0rs>there are lot of these cattle, being an invididual , its difficult for me to oppose the herd
02:40<c5-03>who said you should?
02:40<g0rs>the herds are in millions
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02:40<matsp888>but it's worth a try
02:41<matsp888>well, yes
02:41<c5-03>what even gives you the right, Herr Hitler
02:41<g0rs>i tried , my professional life deteriorated
02:41<matsp888>it's hard to go your own way with such pressure
02:41<g0rs>they are paying cash to get me fired
02:41<g0rs>or not hired
02:41*matsp888 hates larger crowds of people with the same (fanatic) opinion
02:42<matsp888>people are basically lemmings, unfortunately
02:42<matsp888>brainless "followers"
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02:42<g0rs>large crowds are poweful when controlled but dangerous as a group ( this includes religious institutions as well)
02:42<matsp888>wow this is ooooooooo off-topic
02:42<matsp888>soooooooo even
02:43<g0rs>yes it is my apologies
02:43<matsp888>mine too ;)
02:43<matsp888>it was mostly to myself
02:43<g0rs>i was playing soukoban and am stuck in level 31
02:43<matsp888>true on both points
02:43<g0rs>mostly to yourself?
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02:43<matsp888>i mean... the off-topic comment
02:43<matsp888>it was directed towards myself
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02:44<g0rs>yes , the same to me
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02:44*matsp888 has never played sudoku
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02:45<matsp888>i know you said soukoban
02:45<matsp888>i haven't played either of them
02:45<g0rs>its the japanese version developed by thinking rabbit, i have the rom
02:45<matsp888>uh huh
02:45<g0rs>sudoku and soukoban are different
02:46<matsp888>yes, i suspected that
02:46<g0rs>ksokoban is harder than soukoban
02:47<g0rs>if you play the sasquatch series
02:47<matsp888>good to know ;)
02:47<matsp888>uh huh
02:47<matsp888>i don't really have a logical mind, at least not in my book
02:47<matsp888>i've tried some chess, it's mildly entertaining
02:47<matsp888>but there's where it at
02:47<g0rs>chess is draining compared to soukoban
02:47<matsp888>it's even
02:47<matsp888>haha even
02:48<matsp888>maybe so
02:48<g0rs>but the higher levels need planning ahead like imagining 4 to 5 moves and seeing what the board looks like
02:48<matsp888>tetris is pretty fun (now and then)
02:48<jm_>xye is also pretty complicated
02:48<g0rs>tetris is simple and straightforward
02:48<matsp888>it requires some logic too, albeit rather simpleton one
02:48<matsp888>yes it is
02:48<c5-03>yeah, i hate tetris... that was a joke you didnt get.
02:48<c5-03>stupidest game ever
02:48<matsp888>i know
02:49<matsp888>i felt that you were ironical
02:49<g0rs>its better than those stupid RPG games
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02:49<c5-03>the hell you say
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02:49<matsp888>i bought Ultima Underworld for pc/dos in the past
02:50<matsp888>don't know if that can be called a RPG
02:50<matsp888>it was about casting spells and other crap
02:50<g0rs>i played doom
02:50<matsp888>pretty fun
02:50<matsp888>me too
02:50<matsp888>i played quite a lot in the past
02:50<heikkila>There's #debian-offtopic you know
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02:50<matsp888>ah shit
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02:51<c5-03>well let me know when anyone talks about debian here, and ill shut up
02:51<matsp888>well, good point
02:51<matsp888>in a way
02:51<c5-03>or is a completely idle channel somehow more important to you than remaining on topic?
02:51<matsp888>but i've moved to offtopic
02:51<matsp888>good point again
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02:53<heikkila>c5-03, yes, I might miss when there's actual support going on and I'm quite interested in following that.
02:54<c5-03>like i said, if i see any ill shut up... apparently all the others left instead
02:54<Sicelo>let me ask: if i have ditched network manager, and using /etc/network/interfaces, how do i make the connection 'visible' to other programs. eg, Liferea, pidgin will be on offline mode until explicitly told to go online
02:54<c5-03>ooh look theres some!
02:55<c5-03>go heikkila !
02:55<heikkila>Sicelo, Liferea will get updated anyway
02:56<heikkila>c5-03, you don't have to shut up if you are in #debian-offtopic
02:56<c5-03>never mind me, solve his problem!
02:57<c5-03>i have a suggestion for an answer too, but i wont say until everyone else is exhausted, because im not sure its right.
02:57<Sicelo>yes, if i uncheck 'Work Offline'. this is automatically checked now, but was not while i used NetworkManager
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02:57<Sicelo>say it c5-03. :)
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02:57<heikkila>Sicelo, yes, I recognize the problem, with Liferea anyway, but I just ignored it
02:59<Sicelo>i'm sure it's 'fixable' somehow.. even pidgin suffers, unable to reconnect automatically if the interface is brought up again. you have to do it manually.. thanks though
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03:03<c5-03>ok, so my suggestion was that NetworkManager needs to be running for those services to 'see' the network status.
03:04<Sicelo>ok. well, it is, just that it is not managing my connection to internet anymore
03:04<c5-03>the solution would be something like `ps -A | grep NetworkManager`" , then kill the pid, if any, then restart it
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03:05<c5-03>there is also this NetworkManagerD thing, but i think that will be started by NetworkManager
03:06<c5-03>like i said, its probably a wrong solution, so i left it till last...
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03:13<Sicelo>anyway, i'll investigate some other time
03:14<c5-03> brilliant solution didnt work? im devastated!
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03:17<Sicelo>well, if u can maybe help me find a way to make network manager just use ttyUSB0 immediately, insteady of probing ttyUSB0-4 for several minutes before finally connecting via ttyUSB0. that's the main reason it went the /etc/network/interfaces way
03:19<c5-03>what the...
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03:20<Sicelo>cdma modem, usb
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03:20<c5-03>ttyUSB is instantiated by kernel modules and options not NetworkManager... /etc/modules.d/...
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03:22<c5-03>how wierd, i just set this up myself a few days ago too
03:23<Sicelo>yes, but NetworkManager probes each of them first, before 'concluding' that real modem is at ttyUSB0. kernel detects all 5 immediately, and, of course, ifup brings up only the desired one, without concerning itself with 'other' possible modems
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03:25<Xdept>Hey I'm having a problem with openvpn crashing every time I try to connect to the server. Does anyone have any ideas?
03:25<godlie>Xdept: what can you see in the logfile?
03:26<jm_>Sicelo: is this dial-up or somesuch?
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03:27<Xdept>Hang on
03:27<jm_>so maybe check which device it's told to use then
03:27<c5-03>'all 5'?! what?
03:28<Xdept>there is nothing helpful in the openvpn-status.log
03:28<Sicelo>jm_: i don't know if NetworkManager can do that. i have done it successfully with ifup though.
03:28<Xdept>root@Linux:/etc/openvpn# /etc/init.d/openvpn status
03:28<Xdept>VPN 'server' is running.
03:29<Xdept>root@Linux:/etc/openvpn# /etc/init.d/openvpn status
03:29<Xdept>VPN 'server' is not running ... failed!
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03:29<Bushmills>Xdept: status is status, not log
03:29<jm_>Sicelo: I am not really familiar with it so I can't comment, and I hope I'll never have to use it ;)
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03:29<Bushmills>Xdept: look at log, not at status. add log /path/to/your/file to config, or specify on command line when starting
03:29<Sicelo>c5-03: kernel attaches ttyUSB(0-4). only ttyUSB0 is needed for the connection. the others do other things, some proprietary
03:31<Bushmills>you may want to set verbosity, verb 5 or around there
03:31<Sicelo> as u can see, it takes NetworkManager up to 3 minutes to connect
03:33<Xdept>"CRL: cannot read: /etc/openvpn/keys/crl.pem: No such file or directory (errno=2)"
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03:33<Xdept>How do I get that?
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03:34<jm_>Xdept: has this ever worked?
03:34<Xdept>This is from scratch, I have built a few openvpn servers
03:35<Xdept>It hasn't worked on this server
03:35<godlie>Xdept: have you created your certificates and keys?
03:36<Xdept>My server.key server.crt ca.crt and 2048.pem
03:36<elench>Moin, is AR5001x (atheros) part of ath5k? I only see it mentioned in lenny as part of madwifi
03:37<godlie>you should have a look at your server.conf
03:37<godlie>i think that you have the incorrect file names in there
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03:38<Xdept>Do I need to add a crl line to it?
03:38<jm_>elench: will help you identify the driver for it
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03:39<godlie>Xdept: depends on your configuration but as ive seen you will need ca, cert, key
03:39<elench>thx jm_
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03:40<Xdept>I had a revocation line in my config *Face palm*
03:41<elench>mm do I have to unistall ath5k to use madwifi package?
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03:41<godlie>sometimes its useful to have a logfile :)
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03:42<jm_>you can't uninstall single files (in this case a module provided by a kernel package)
03:42<elench>so I can unload but not remove it?
03:43<jm_>well newer releases no longer have the madwifi driver - are you sur eyou even have it?
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03:43<jm_>yes that's the way to go (blacklist etc.)
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03:43<elench>I have to install it :/ but I can't have the sources for madwifi
03:44<elench>the download link is so small :P I missed it
03:44<Xdept>thanks godlie
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03:47<elench>i don't get it ... the wifi was working fine till I unplug the network cable :/
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03:52<gsimmons>elench: The AR5001X product comprises the AR5211 MAC/BB and is supported by ath5k.
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04:02<Sicelo>nice. for pidgin, solved with `pidgin -f' .. auto-connects now
04:03<elench>gsimmons ah it is?
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04:10<Myrawing>hi all
04:11<Myrawing>can some one help me with apt-get update command
04:11<elench>mmm does network-manager handle ifupdown functions/instructions/commands (whichever sounds right).
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04:13<jm_>!tell Myrawing -about ask
04:13<Sicelo>elench: in it's own way, yes
04:13<Myrawing>I install debian squeeze from cd
04:14<Myrawing>and know I want update it from dvd iso
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04:14<Myrawing>I mounted all corectly
04:14<jm_>you don't need to mount it yourself
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04:15<Myrawing>but whe I do this comand... apt-get install I have error.... it ca not find file package**.gpg
04:15<Myrawing>her у is diferent diectory
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04:17<Myrawing>system search ..squeeze/main/binary_i386, but directory on my dvd iso is squeeze/main/binary_i
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04:17<elench>ick wtf network-manager reinstall cause my notebook to hang
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04:17<jm_>doesn't it have rock ridge extensions?
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04:19<Myrawing>system search ..squeeze/main/binary_i386/Package**.gpg, but directory on my dvd iso is squeeze/main/binary_i/package**.gpg
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04:20<jm_>inspect the DVD with isoinfo
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04:22<Myrawing>explain please
04:23<elench>finally got it wokring XD thx jm_
04:23<jm_>Myrawing: isoinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom ; isoinfo -lR -i /dev/cdrom (you can also use ISO file instead of /dev/cdrom if you have it in a file)
04:23<jm_>elench: I suppose you should thank gsimmons, not me
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04:23<elench>ah yea was scrolling up for his name too :P
04:24<elench>or her
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04:25<Myrawing>ok Will try... for a moment thx jm_
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05:05<Thorgrin>hello, just a quick question, where do you put your iptables rules on debian?
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05:07<jm_>Thorgrin: I use ferm so /etc/ferm/ferm.conf
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05:10<Thorgrin>I do not work with firewall too often, is the ferm worth the effort to learn?
05:11<matsp999>if you have many ports open, then yes, i suppose
05:11<matsp999>i have no server running here
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05:11<matsp999>to each his own
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05:13<jm_>well ferm is just a front-end to iptables - another option is iptables-save/restore in an init script
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05:14<jm_>in older releases there was a note about it in /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian but it has been removed
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05:14<Thorgrin>jm_: that was my original question, where do you put the init script, init.d and make links to rcX.d or network/if-pre-up.d/... ?
05:15<jm_>Thorgrin: I would use pre-up myself
05:16<babilen>Thorgrin: You would typically use the pre-up (i.e. /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/) and use iptables-restore in there. Another approach is to use the init script from the iptables-persistent package
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05:17<babilen>Thorgrin: And you don't use the actual script that build the rules but you would save the ruleset somewhere (iptables-save), use iptables-apply to test them and iptables-restore to activate them.
05:19<Thorgrin>just for simplicity, I use script that adds the rules one-by-one. Is it that bad?
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05:19<jm_>it can be very slow apparently (with many rules)
05:20<babilen>Thorgrin: Not necessarily, but it is not an atomic operation and tends to be much slower (for large rulesets)
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05:20<babilen>Thorgrin: And iptables-apply is just too nice if you are working on a remote firewall
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05:21<babilen>Thorgrin: ... to not use it ;)
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05:21<Thorgrin>I must read some man on that
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05:22<Thorgrin>ou, nice!
05:22<Thorgrin>I definitely want that
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05:23<Thorgrin>but still I have to have the rules stored somewhere in human readable form with comments and so on
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05:24<babilen>Thorgrin: Sure, but that is independent from how the firewall actually loads a (previously saved) ruleset
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05:26<Thorgrin>I just hoped there would be some nice mechanism for that so I can just put in my rules
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05:28<babilen>Thorgrin: iptables-{restore,save,apply} *is* the mechanism.
05:29<Thorgrin>yes, but I need to provide the init scripts myself (or I might just try that iptables-persistent package)
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05:31<Black_Prince>Or use rc.local
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05:32<jm_>Myrawing: please stop msg-ing me and use the channel
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05:33<jm_>careful with pasting here, use a pastebin
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05:34<matsp999>oh, msg-ing is sooo annoying
05:34<matsp999>my sentiments
05:35<Myrawing>I can't use isoinfo
05:35<Myrawing>it is not instaled
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05:36<Thorgrin>babilen: jm_: thanks for the info
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05:39<jm_>Thorgrin: no worries
05:39<jm_>Myrawing: install it?
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05:41<babilen>Thorgrin: The "script" in question is quite minimal .. "#!/bin/sh\n/sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules" is all you need in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables (make it executable as well)
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05:47<Thorgrin>+ allow forward somewhere
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05:48<Bald0z>hi there, a question about apt-get. I have added an extra repository which provides same packages names as the standard repository
05:48<Bald0z>how can I tell apt-get which package I want to install (as they have the same name?)
05:48<batouzo>what would you recommend for VPN?
05:48<Thorgrin>btw, what is the difference between /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding ?
05:49<Bald0z>if I do apt-cache search $package_name , it returns both the packages with the same name
05:49<Bald0z>batouzo: I had good experience with openVPN
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05:49<batouzo>Bald0z: is it hard to set up?
05:50<Bald0z>no at all, it's pretty transparent. just be sure to have some basic understanding of certificates
05:50<Bald0z>you are gonna have a private and public key pair
05:50<Thorgrin>openvpn has great howto, which will lead you through the process
05:51<batouzo>and ipsec?
05:51<Bald0z>ipsec is lower in the ISO/OSI stack
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05:51<Bald0z>it's harder to implement
05:51<batouzo>Bald0z: it is harder to set up? but will work anyway?
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05:52<Bald0z>I have no experience on ipsec, but if you want something quick and safe, go for openvpn
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05:52<babilen>Thorgrin: If you mean that you tinker with /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in a script I would rather suggest to set it in /etc/sysctl.conf
05:53<babilen>Thorgrin: ipv4 vs ipv6 is the difference (the latter applies to all I guess)
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05:54<babilen>Thorgrin: Argh, no ... misread that
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05:56<Thorgrin>thanks for the advice. sysctl.conf is much better place its just that I used old openwrt router before setting up the debian box and I copyied the firewall, including the echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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05:57<Bald0z>found answer for my question on the man page of apt-get ... syntax for disambiguation of packages with same name is apt-get install $PACKAGE_NAME=$PACKAGE_VERSION
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05:59<Myrawing>(I install debian from cd.disc)... can I update debian from dvd disc??
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05:59<Bald0z>Myrawing, of course you can, just take care of using same version of Debian
05:59<Black_Prince>Myrawing: yes. In case software on DVD is newer than installed.
05:59<Myrawing>it's asame version
05:59<Myrawing>but I have error
05:59<Myrawing>directories is not same
06:00<Bald0z>try apt-cdrom utility
06:00<Myrawing>I don't update from cd rom.... I don’t have it
06:01<Myrawing>I update from hd direct
06:01<Myrawing>but problem is not here
06:01<Black_Prince>For some reason I don't understand, when you add cdrom via apt-cdrom add ... After every apt-get command you need to remount your image ...
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06:03<Myrawing>directories on cd is /dists/squeeze/main/binary_i386/package**.gz but on dvd it is /dists/squeeze/main/binary_i/package**.gz
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06:04<Myrawing>and when I do apt-get update it write trhat can find necessary file like realise.... some language file... and this file package**.gz
06:05<Myrawing>I look on net and cant find some answer
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06:05<Myrawing>in my source.list is deb file::///mnt/iso squeeze main contrib
06:06<Myrawing>I think it is corect
06:07<Myrawing>can some tell what I do wrong?
06:07<babilen>Myrawing: Myrawing You want "deb file:///" instead of "deb file::///"
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06:09<Haikarainen>Hey! I'm having some problems building wifi drivers in latest stable, is this the right channel to ask questions?
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06:10<Myrawing>babilen: I want upgrade debian
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06:10<Haikarainen>Im just gonna guess it is, I have this new Toshiba C660 laptop, wich has a wireless nic named(in lspci); ": Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)"
06:11<Myrawing>becouse I instal from cd only base system and some soft ... no x server nothink... I want install it from dvd
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06:11<Zaba>Haikarainen, IIRC there's no driver for it in the stable kernel
06:12<Haikarainen>Zaba, allright, thats lame :/ I downloaded source from realtek, but keep getting undefined enums when trying to "make"
06:12<Haikarainen>noticed there was some drivers in testing as well
06:12<Zaba>Haikarainen, the backports kernel should have the driver in-tree
06:12<Zaba>Haikarainen, and, speaking of the driver from realtek's website.. well, it almost always needs some trivial source changes to build :P
06:13<Zaba>one time it was missing include, another time it was an outdated constant name, or an uninitialized pointer leading to it always crashing...
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06:13<Haikarainen>Allright, is there any way i could get my hands on it and make it run in stable? I noticed.. full makelog here; .. I have some experience with C++, is there any lib they left out or something?
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06:14<Zaba>Haikarainen, your kernel might be too old for it
06:14<babilen>Myrawing: Upgrade from what to what?
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06:14<Haikarainen>If so its probably too new.. There was 2 downloads availabe, pre 2.6-xxx and post. dont remember exactly the numbers
06:15<Zaba>Haikarainen, you should just use the backports kernel; you can accidentally waste too much time trying to build the out-of-tree driver
06:15<Haikarainen>Zaba, Allright, how stable is it? Could you point me to any site / google-search-term to get me started?
06:16<Zaba>Haikarainen, should have instructions
06:16<babilen>!tell Haikarainen -about rtl8192ce
06:16<Haikarainen>Allright, Thanks! :)
06:16<babilen>!tell Haikarainen -about bdo kernel
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06:17<Haikarainen>Thank you as well babilen ^^
06:17<babilen>Haikarainen: I would, however, just install the linux-image-2.6-{amd64,686-pae} metapackage from bdo
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06:19<Haikarainen>bdo? backports-something-something?
06:19<babilen>!tell Haikarainen -about bdo
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06:19<Haikarainen>ah.. bdo.. as in the url
06:20<babilen>Haikarainen: Follow and run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64" (if you use amd64, 686-pae otherwise)
06:20<Haikarainen>on it!
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06:21<babilen>Haikarainen: Ah, even better: Use linux-image-amd64 not linux-image-2.6-amd64 (if you want it to pull in a 3.* kernel once it hits backports)
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07:43<lo>when creating initramfs (or whatever it's called) on upgrading kernel via apt I get : W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169. Why do I get this warning when I don't require this module?
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07:46<devil>lo: realtek covers many chips, where some only differ slightly. so the check is not always right
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08:05<lo>devil: ah OK. ta.
08:06<lo>devil: in fairness, the warning does say 'possible..'
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08:06<devil>it does puzzle a good amount of users
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08:11<lo>devil: well it did make me install the firmware-realtek package only to realise it wasn't even for my card
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08:11<lo>and promptly deinstall it
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08:22<gob_bluth>i'm having issues mounting a fuse filesystem with debian squeeze, it's set up fine so when i mount manually it works but upon reboot it doesn't mount at all, any ideas ?
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08:41<Section>gnome 3 rocks
08:41<Section>are you sure?
08:41<Section>Hell yea gnome 3 is better than gnome 2, you just have to give it some time
08:42<julian>QUESTION: What dedicated server vendors know? I can recommend one?
08:42<Section>ok that's good to know, ttyl
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08:43<heikkila>gob_bluth, what kind of issues?
08:43<gob_bluth>it doesn't mount
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08:43<gob_bluth>I've setup a glusterfs system and debian is broken in that it just wont' mount it on boot
08:43<heikkila>gob_bluth, what kind of fuse fs is it?
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08:46<XayOn>annoying fuse fs?
08:46<XayOn>never heard of it.
08:47<gob_bluth>"i've setup a glusterfs system"
08:48<gob_bluth>insserv is causing problems with the fuse/glusterfs modules
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08:48<gob_bluth>it seem si have to hack rc.local and put a 30 second sleep before forcing a mount -a, hopefully this is rectified in future versions of squeeze
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08:51<Thorgrin>One quick question, /etc/network/interfaces is used to setup my eth0, where do I add ipv6 adddress to use?
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08:52<Zaba>Thorgrin, 'iface $inf inet6 ...'?
08:52<Zaba>at least, looking at interfaces(5), that's what one'd think.
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08:52<Thorgrin>ok, so two records or eth0, one inet and one inet6 ?
08:53<Thorgrin>i'll just give i a try
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09:15<sylar>something is wrong with squeeze - ever since the upgrade I get a lot of network disconnections between my servers and clinets of theirs, and that didn't happen in lenny
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09:19<lo>sylar: how do you know it was the squeze upgrade that did it?
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09:20<sylar>lo: the services were not upgraded
09:20<sylar>lo: the hardware is the same hardware
09:20<sylar>it is either the squeeze or the ISP
09:20<lo>sylar: what services are you using?
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09:21<sylar>due to the upgrade time and the problem time, squeeze is more likely to be the reason
09:21<sylar>lo: free NX
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09:22<lo>not heard of free NX but does free NX give you any reason or error in any log?
09:22<sylar>lo: The CPU is also more loaded due to lesser efficiency in squeeze
09:22<lo>or does the client end of the connection give you any useful debug output?
09:22<sylar>I will look
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09:24<lo>sylar: from Free NX web site 'Added displaying of reconnection failure in system log / client ssh log.' looks like this feature was added back in 2005. might be able to give you some good info
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09:25<houms>does anyone know how i can extract iso using 7z?
09:25<houms>or any other tool
09:25<petemc>you can loop mount it
09:25<houms>i am tryin to extract ubcd iso
09:25<petemc>mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/foo
09:26<weasel>mc can browse it as a user
09:26<weasel>no idea how. there's probably lower level tools that allow you these things
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09:26<lo>is mc quite good? it does get mentioned a lot. I've never tried it :-S
09:27<weasel>it has its uses.
09:27<weasel>browsing .debs and .isos is one of them.
09:27<sylar>lo: I don't see any error in the log of freenx
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09:28<lo>sylar: how do you know there has been some kind of connection failure? Does this free nx client lock up? Display a message?
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09:29<sylar>lo: it disconnect, and I need to reconnect to it, and then it resumes from where it was prior to the disconnection
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09:34<lo>sylar: there does seem to be a bug filed in Feb. What version of FreeNX are you using..?
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09:35<opalepatrick>Any idea why apps open behind the current open? Even windows loaded from an app load behind - irritating for me.
09:36<opalepatrick>Never used to happen seemed to start a couple of months ago
09:37<lo>opalepatrick: I don't have an answer but I've seen other people ask this same questions recently so maybe check the bug listings?
09:37<opalepatrick>good idea lo, thanks a lot
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09:40<lo>sylar: there does appear to be a bug in FreeNX due in situtation of network latency. Is there more of a load on your internet connection now perhaps? Are you able to monitor network utilisation via ntop or such like?
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09:42<kdna>hi Almikk
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09:57<t0r>hi cunts.
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10:08<zeropiel>I'm having problem with printing. I'm using cups. The printer prints a test page when I do this from the printer, but not from cups.
10:09<nodiscc>zeropiel: does you printer actually print documents through CUPS ? other than the test page?
10:09<zeropiel>nodiscc: no, nothing
10:10<nodiscc>zeropiel: do you have a working web browser on that machine?
10:10<omry>I need to install mysql completely unattended. using DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive and apt-get install -q -y, I still get the "what to do with existing init.d script" question. any idea hope I can force the default action?
10:10<zeropiel>nodiscc: yes
10:10<nodiscc>if so, go to http://localhost:631/printers/ and see if your printer is listed there
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10:11<nodiscc>zeropiel: does the page even display?
10:11<zeropiel>nodiscc: it displays and shows my printer
10:12<nodiscc>zeropiel: click on Maintenance > Print test page. Does the job display in the Jobs list?
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10:15<zeropiel>nodiscc: yes. Then the printer comes out of standby-mode, but no page is printed. Pressing the "show all jobs" button shows the test page as printed successfully.
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10:16<nodiscc>zeropiel: is there something interesting in /var/log/cups/error_log?
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10:18<nodiscc>meh. What is your printer model and what is the loaded driver? (it's displayed on http://localhost:631/printers/your_printer_name)
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10:18<sylar>lo: I am using version FreeNX 0.7.3
10:19<sylar>lo: is that bug against that version?
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10:19<nodiscc>zeropiel: I had similar problems until I installed cups-driver-gutenprint, with an old laser Brother printer.
10:20<lo>sylar: how have you installed this FreeNX? It doesn't appear to be in squeeze.
10:20<zeropiel>Brother HL-2030 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.6 (grayscale, 2-sided printing)
10:20<lo>I can only see it in unstable
10:20<sylar>lo: yes I have installed this version already in lenny
10:20<lo>maybe this is the problem then
10:21<lo>it's been deprecated/obsolted ?
10:21<sylar>lo: then why wasn't it a problem with lenny?
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10:21<lo>sylar: it was a package in lenny. it's not a package in squeeze. you'd have to check why (somehow)
10:21<sylar>lo: I didn't install it from a package
10:22<lo>but you're running it now in squeeze and so there could well be a dependency problem. and if you didn't install it from a package then there is most definitely a worry that there could be a dependency problem
10:22<sylar>lo: I compiled it from source, and manually put it where it should be
10:22<lo>sylar: well that may well be your problme. since when you upgraded lenny to squeeze you will have upgraded a lot of libs this compiled package dpeends on. i'd recommend recompiling it on your squeeze system
10:23<lo>sylar: and in this particular case i'd recommend just backporint it from unstable
10:23<sylar>lo ok, I will try
10:23<lo>just so it's under dpkg's control. it should be too hard to do it the 'debian way'. then you may find it works again. and if it doesnt' you can at least file a bug report
10:23<nodiscc>zeropiel: strange. I would check if it's set on the right port (mine is a Brother-HL-760 on parallel:/dev/lp0), but as you said it's coming out of standby it should be ok.
10:24<sylar>lo: I want to check first if it depends on anything from outside of its source
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10:25<zeropiel>nodiscc: connected with USB.
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10:28<nodiscc>zeropiel: also, maybe you should try an upgrade? My gutenprint drivers are version 5.2.7-2, yours seem to be 5.2.6. Did you install them from the package?
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10:28<zeropiel>nodisccc: upgraded today.
10:28<nodiscc>Does the actual printer model match the printer name/drivers in CUPS ?
10:29<zeropiel>nodiscc: no wait, didnt run dist-upgrade
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10:29<nodiscc>zeropiel: sorry, that's because you're using squeeze, 5.2.6 is ok. I'm using 5.2.7 from wheezy
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10:32<nodiscc>zeropiel: sorry cups has always been a headache for me. See if you can grab help there (site is slow to respond here)
10:33<zeropiel>nodiscc: thanks
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10:33<nodiscc>zeropiel: no problem ;) still trying to get my scanner-printer combo to work with cups afetr 6 months
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10:34<JuanDosSantos1991>Hello, I have a very strange problem. I installed debian newest stable version, I set the root password and a password for normal user. After the installation I am not able to login, I get always the message Login incorrect, but login and password are correct! Why???
10:34<sylar>lo: it is some time since I read a makefile
10:35<sylar>lo: do you see anything that is depended on from outside the tree of this program?
10:35<nodiscc>dpkg, tell zeropiel about printing
10:35<JuanDosSantos1991>I am going crazy!
10:35<JuanDosSantos1991>password ist correct but always message Login incorrect...
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10:38<Bushmills>JuanDosSantos1991: password may be correct, maybe user name isn't
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10:38<JuanDosSantos1991>no username root is correct
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10:39<Bushmills>case or changed keymap
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10:40<leggenda>some one can help about chroot ?
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10:40<Bushmills>statistically, somebody in the world probably can
10:41<leggenda>@Bushmills do you ?
10:42<Bushmills>no. i can only help with problem i heard about
10:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:45<JuanDosSantos1991>The problem ist this bullshit of micro$oft hypervisor client, after a return it append [^ befor any character WTF DUMBASS MICRO$OFT DEVELOPERS
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10:50<zeropiel>nodiscc: bloody mystery. Tried to use the brother packages: no luck. On a whim I deleted the printer in the web interface, then added it again. Used the reccomended foomatic driver. Now it works.
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10:58<nodiscc>zeropiel: :) black magic.
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11:07<opalepatrick>Can I install a package from sid (bluefish 2.2.0) without listing it as a resource? I am running squeeze
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11:10<ballison>how do you get basic package info on a .deb file? Like what version is it?
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11:15<@Ganneff>ballison: dpkg -I $file
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11:18<nodiscc>opalepatrick: either add sid to your sources.list and do some APT Pinning (, or download the .deb from ...
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11:19<jhutchins_lt>It's considered Very Bad Practice to install directly from sid.
11:19<nodiscc>opalepatrick: you may have to download all the dependencies manually, then... maybe pinning is a better option
11:19<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
11:20<jhutchins_lt>Once you start downloading dependencies from sid and mixing your system you have frankendebian, which is completely unsupported.
11:20<babilen>opalepatrick: and backporting bluefish will be, well, a lot of work. I wouldn't attempt it as you essentially have to backport gtk3
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11:22<vdubhack>Does anyone know why my alfa rtl8187 card gets detected on plug in but does not set the device to get wlan0 or similar. I am on wheezy 3.0.1. In the logs I see something about mtp right before the messages for it showing it sees the wifi plug
11:22<opalepatrick>a lot of trouble for maybe not enough gain :-) babilen & nodiscc
11:23<opalepatrick>I was just looking at editors with syntax highlighting and auto-completion for html5 etc... Use SciTE at the moment but it is a bit no frills, and I though I might get something frilly
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11:24<babilen>opalepatrick: bluefish is in squeeze so you can just install it. I like vim and emacs, but they have a bit of a learning curve.
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11:25<babilen>!tell vdubhack -about rtl8187
11:25<opalepatrick>Yeah I got that version but it is missing html5 syntax stuff. Not a horror and good enough for testing. I have neveer been able to get to griups with vim & emacs. Probably because I dont do enough coding.
11:26<babilen>vdubhack: firmware is installed?
11:26<vdubhack>babilen .. yes it is
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11:26<opalepatrick>Thansk anyway
11:26<vdubhack>and it was working on the 2.6 kernel
11:27<vdubhack>only change was the final switch to the 3.0.1 kernel in wheezy
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11:28<vdubhack>There is not error for missing firmware or anything like that. It loades the modules sees the device but does not get set. I think the system thinks its a MP3 player or something due to the mtp message
11:28<jhutchins_lt>vdubhack: So if you boot back to 2.6 it works?
11:28<vdubhack>not anymore no, when I switched to the new kernel lots of packages got updated with it and something broke it
11:29<babilen>vdubhack: And wheezy has a 3.1 kernel now doesn't it?
11:29<hoobydooby>hi, I have really slow copy speeds in squeeze... what I'm finding in google seems mostly to do with USB, but I know that's not the issue bc I tested copy operations across partitions on my HDD and I'm getting the same slow result. any suggestions?
11:29<babilen>vdubhack: I would also like to mention that we have a dedicated channel for wheezy/sid support (#debian-next)
11:30<vdubhack>oh I am sorry, new to Debian
11:30<babilen>vdubhack: No problem
11:30<vdubhack>apologies to all
11:30<nodiscc>hoobydooby: do you have laptop-mode-tools or hdparm installed ?
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11:31<hoobydooby>nodiscc: not that i am aware of. I need these packages?
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11:32<nodiscc>hoobydooby: no, but they could have been causing trouble.
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11:33<hoobydooby>i just checked in synaptic, no laptop-mode-tools...
11:33<hoobydooby>hdparm 9.32-1 has a green box though!
11:33<hoobydooby>what does this package do?
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11:34<nodiscc>dpkg, tell hoobydooby about hdparm
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11:35<nodiscc>hoobydooby: maybe you should uninstall it. Fiddling with it can be dangerous
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11:36<Miguel3>you know to speak English
11:36<devil>Miguel3: we do :)
11:37<Miguel3>que pasa
11:37<hoobydooby>thanks nodiscc. I will try uninstalling the package and see if this speeds things up.
11:37<devil>Miguel3: thats not english
11:38<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: No, uninstalling hdparm will not speed up copying.
11:38<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: How about doing some research on disk speed and benchmarking and the copy process and figuring out what's going on instead of taking random potshots with a GUI?
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11:38<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: How much ram does the system have?
11:38<Miguel3>what time it is
11:39<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: unproperly configured hdparm can lead to slow transfer speeds, amirite?
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11:39<Miguel3>hola artista frustado
11:39<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Yes, but only if you mess with it. If it's installed with defaults it doesn't do anything.
11:39<hoobydooby>laptop is msi a6200, core i5 with 4gb ram..
11:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:40<hoobydooby>i have never touhed hdparm; didn't even know it was installed.
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11:40<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: It might be helpful to read about what it can do, but be very conservative about messing with it.
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11:42<hoobydooby>i've uninstalled the package now, and copying a file, still at only a speed of 4.1mb / second.
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11:47<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: No, uninstalling hdparm will not speed up copying.
11:47<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: How much ram does the system have?
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11:50<hoobydooby>jhutchins_lt: 4gb
11:50<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: Which kernel are you using?
11:51<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: .32?
11:51<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: I was really wondering if you were on i686, bigmem, or amd64.
11:51<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: ext3 filesystem?
11:51<hoobydooby>i think, lemme check rel quick
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11:52<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: If you're running the stock 32 bit kernel you won't be using all 4g.
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11:53<hoobydooby>ext3 for my linux partitions yes; ntfs on my windows one.
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11:54<hoobydooby>ahh. so maybe lack of ram utilization could be the problem?
11:54<hoobydooby>how do i tell how much i am using?
11:57<hoobydooby>oh, system monitor.
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11:57<hoobydooby>shows I am using like 9% of 3.4gb of memory...
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11:57<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: To really know what's going on you need to benchmark ext3 to ext3 on the same bus.
11:59<hoobydooby>jhutchins_lt: what would the best method to do this be?
11:59<hoobydooby>will i need a benchmark tool?
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12:00<jhutchins_lt>hoobydooby: Ideally, but just timing copying is the place to start.
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12:01<hoobydooby>ok, so on average, it is copying at a speed of about 4mb / second
12:02<Nik05>hello guys i got a question about debian multimedia
12:02<hoobydooby>that remains true whether I copy through usb or across to my windows partition.
12:02<Nik05>i added the multimedia too sources.list
12:02<devil>Nik05: dont :)
12:02<Nik05>but there are programs that are in debian and in the multimedia debian
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12:02<Nik05>which program does debian install?
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12:03<devil>the ones that are not in multimedia (free versions)
12:03<Nik05>forexample mplayer is in debian multimedia but also in debian
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12:03<devil>Nik05: you dont really want that list.
12:03<devil>it bites
12:03<Nik05>but i needed to watch a dvd with css encryption...
12:03<devil>Nik05: what do you need from there?
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12:04<Nik05>libdvdcss devil ;)
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12:04<devil>Nik05: then get that and disable the list
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12:04<Nik05>oh ok
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12:04<hoobydooby>jhutchins_lt: on average, it is copying at a speed of about 4mb / second
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12:05<devil>Nik05: there is stuff in there, that can easily hose your install
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12:06<wandeson_ric>Hello. I need help in question. Where i find udevsettle? I'm execute mkinitramfs and it return that "pwhich: no udevsettle in PATH". Where i find udevsettle? Thanks.
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12:07<sylar>lo: what about it?
12:07<devil>wandeson_ric: its part of udev
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12:08<devil>wandeson_ric: but its called udev-settle
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12:08<hoobydooby>jhutchins_lt: thanks I will read it and check..
12:09<lo>sylar: tells you what you need to know
12:10<lo>sylar: it tells you how to install the packages so you don't have to compile from source
12:10<wandeson_ric>devil: yes.
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12:12<wandeson_ric>devil: it, udev-settle, is intalled with pack udev. Because, pwhich when i execute command mkinitramfs return this message. Thanks.
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12:16<devil>wandeson_ric: if udev is installed properly, you should be ojk
12:16<devil>ok, even
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12:47<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: Which release/kernel is this?
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12:49<wandeson_ric>jhuutchins_lt: kernel é o 3.0.4 e o udev é o 1.7.3
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12:51<wandeson_ric>jhutchins_lt: e o mkinitramfs é o 0.9.11
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: That doesn't look like a current Debian kernel.
12:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
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12:54<wandeson_ric>jhutchins_lt: i update the kernel for version 3.0.4
12:55<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:55<jhutchins_lt>Not as friendly or helpful as I'd hoped...
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12:57<wandeson_ric>jhutchins: Sorry. i write in english and portuguese, mixed. Sorry my error. My kernel is 3.0.4, udev-1.7.3 eo mkinitramfs-0.9.11
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13:00<wandeson_ric>jhutchins_lt: Thanks for tempt help me.
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13:08<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: Are you running wheezy? I would recommend that you update to the current kernel and other system packages and try again.
13:08<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: That is NOT the current testing kernel.
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13:12<wandeson_ric>jhutchins_lt: Debian squeese 6.0.3. The version of kernel is that release before of webpage of kernel be offline .
13:12<babilen>wandeson_ric: Did you compile udev/initramfs-tools yourself?
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13:13<wandeson_ric>babilen: udev and next step i did compile mkinitramfs
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13:14<babilen>wandeson_ric: Why? It should also be obvious that we cannot support that. The packaged versions work fine fwiw.
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13:16<wandeson_ric>babilen: i rebuild the system of source, with Debian, and i need create the initrd.img
13:17<wandeson_ric>babilen: was chain errors in rebuild.
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13:19<wandeson_ric>babilen: understand.
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13:19<ouedraogo>girl and guy
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13:20<wandeson_ric>babilen: thanks for empty help me. :)
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13:21<babilen>wandeson_ric: Honestly: You system only remotely resembles a Debian system. Use the a recent Debian kernel (either squeeze's .32 or backports' .39) and even more importantly *working* and *supported* versions of udev and initramfs-tools.
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13:23<wandeson_ric>babilen: :) ok. Thanks friend.
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13:26<sylar>lo: I am fine with compiling from source, I did it a few times already. That's how I have version 0.7.3
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13:26<sylar>lo: I just don't think that there is any dependency on any librarys in this source
13:27<sylar>lo: and if I am correct, that would mean that the problem is with squeeze
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13:28<sylar>lo: and I think that recompiling and installing may introduce new problems with configuration
13:30<sylar>I can try recompiling and making a diff
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13:31<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: I second what babilen said.
13:31<sylar>... but it would probably be a waste of time, I see how CPU usage is much higher in squeeze for processes not related to NX
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13:37<wandeson_ric>jhutchins_lt: I think change for a initramfs-tools. I download source compile and install.
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13:38<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: We can't support that here.
13:39<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: It's very likely you are causing your own problem by using the third party sources which may not even match.
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13:40<jhutchins_lt>wandeson_ric: Also, at least some of is back up.
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15:26<EmleyMoor>amarok won't play my music... how can I track down why?
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15:27<retrospectacus>start amarok from the terminal, look for messages
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15:27<EmleyMoor>It's a deluge of them
15:28<xompyes>any of them say 'error' or sound bad?
15:28<retrospectacus>that's a lot better than none
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15:28<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: It's a "can't see wood for trees" case
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15:29<EmleyMoor>xompyes: Not that I can actually see - but, as I say, it deluges me
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15:30<retrospectacus>well presumably the info you need is there. Pipe it through grep or pastebin it or whatever, we're not going to magically know what's wrong if you don't tell us anything
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15:33<xompyes>EmleyMoor: and most terminal emulators let you scroll back up and read over what's being output
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15:34<xompyes>can't think of any that don't, actually
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15:34<EmleyMoor>xompyes: Yes, but I cannot see the wood for the trees...
15:35<xompyes>well, there's always pasting it into a file and grepping it, restarting it with stderr redirected to a file for easy grepping, etc.
15:36<EmleyMoor>And what about what's getting onto the terminal some means else?
15:37<EmleyMoor>Not stdout, not stderr, but still getting there.
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15:37<EmleyMoor>Anyway, about to pastebin what I have
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15:38<xompyes>those are your choices for terminal output, stdout or stderr
15:38<xompyes>it's one or the other
15:39<EmleyMoor>xompyes: Even both is not catching it all though - that's what I'm saying
15:39<stderr>Did someone call? :-)
15:40<EmleyMoor>No obvious error, it just doesn't play.
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15:42<xompyes>i see too many errors to narrow it down
15:42<xompyes>does your audio work otherwise?
15:43<EmleyMoor>It does, or did when last tried
15:44*EmleyMoor looks for anything that might be tying it up
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15:45<xompyes>*shrug* i'd try a different music player
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15:45<EmleyMoor>Nothing quite matches amarok, when it works
15:45<xompyes>looks like amarok's just got a bunch of kde errors it's throwing
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15:46<EmleyMoor>Problem found
15:46<EmleyMoor>(there was an audio-enabled web page tying it up
15:46<xompyes>yeah, that'll do it
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15:48<EmleyMoor>Anyway, I'll go and do a bit more work and start this playlist when there's no-one on the phone in here
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15:59<timeoh>Is the PF_RING implementation for the linux network stack optional or is it implemented?
15:59<timeoh>Within the NAPI since 2.4
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16:09<mdik>hi. eeepc users around?
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16:11<retrospectacus>mdik: probably. Just ask your question
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16:13<mdik>normally, the eee switches to an external microphone when it gets jacked in. but now it doesnt (:
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16:15<mdik>it's hard to find useful information on the web because the results deal with driver issues etc
16:16<retrospectacus>the internal mic works?
16:16<mdik>and i dont know which system fails to recognize the switch/jack-in
16:16<retrospectacus>look around in the alsamixer
16:17<mdik>and the external _used_ to work
16:17<scraze>also, amixer may have access to controls / switches not shown in alsamixer :o
16:18<mdik>retrospectacus: it's totally transparent to alsamixer, it was just _the mic_. when the external was jacked in the notebook seemed to just use it instead of the internal
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16:18<mdik>scraze: nothing
16:20<mdik>wait! there is a caputure switch...
16:20<retrospectacus>alsamixer usually has options like "Line-in Source" - Front panel vs. Internal
16:20<retrospectacus>not sure how to make it switch automatically
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16:23<mdik>not here
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16:24<ml|>is there an a way to create a guest account without much fuss?
16:25<lo>ml|: adduser guest
16:25<ml|>yes, but I mean like a package that takes care of this? I looked and found nothing
16:26<xompyes>ml|: in the windows sense, an account that doesn't have permissions to do much of anything?
16:26<ml|>like deleting /home/guest at logout etc..
16:26<xompyes>ah yeah, no
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16:27<ml|>asking in case I overlooked something in my search ;)
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16:27<mdik>nope, just the on/off switch for the microphone
16:27<mdik>ill check the bios...
16:27<xompyes>create the account, write a .logout script to clean out the home dir on logout, edit the permissions, bunch of other stuff
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16:27<xompyes>so not trivially easy, no
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16:28<ml|>yeah ;(
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16:43<dvorak>Hi there! I'm trying to restrict some sites on my Debian 6 machine. I heard that squid is an utility that helps me do that by creating a proxy for my browser. I figured out how to list the sites to be restricted in squid. What I don't know is how do I set up a squid proxy server (or where can I find out it's address if it's already set up) so I can set up my browser to use the respective server as a proxy?
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16:55<lau>hum, I am un the sudo group but sudo ls returns is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. ?
16:56<laarmen>lau: Did you login again after adding your user to the sudo group ?
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16:57<dvorak>Can anyone help me with a squid question?
16:59<scraze>dvorak: I'm not familiar with squid/proxies but I'd think you would set up a squid proxy server by installing the squid packages, then the browser should connect to squid's port at localhost /
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17:00<lau>thx laarmen
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17:01<dvorak>scraze: I have to nominate the proxy server on my browser's configuration file. Yes, squid is running and yes, localhost is listed in the /etc/hosts file. So what you are saying is that I should type in the localhost address and the squid server's port. Do you know how can I know the port number of the proxy server?
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17:02<scraze>dvorak: if squid is running than the port should show up by doing: sudo netstat -plant | grep squid
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17:03<scraze>s/than/then/, squeek.
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17:05<scraze>dvorak: installed squid3 here for a quick look, uses port 3128 on wheezy; if you see 3128 in the output of the netstat command, then it's the same for you :]
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17:06<dvorak>scraze: I tried that command and the local address for squid is In conclusion, at the proxy name should I put the localhost address and the 3128 port?
17:06<scraze>dvorak: yes, that should work :]
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17:07<dvorak>scraze: Ok. I'll try it like this and I'll tell here if it worked or not. Thank you very much for your effort in helping me.
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17:15<cq>hello, I have a problem... FATAL: Module sha256 not found. ...running latest oneiric 64 bit. any ideas? Does the kernel not have that module included, am I missing some crypto kernel packages, ... ?
17:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:17<cq>boba: I know, but usually the debian developers are more knowlegeable, and this is a module problem, not an ubuntu specific configuration problem i'm assuming.
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17:18<cq>are there any crypto channels where I could ask? Googling hasn't helped so far, and I've found the error messages for arch, gentoo, debian, ubuntu, but no solution that works
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17:19<boba>Well, zless /proc/config.gz and /SHA256
17:19<steinex>there is zgrep. ;)
17:20<boba>zgrep SHA256 /proc/config.gz
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17:20<boba>If that gives you CONFIG_CRYPTO_SHA256=y, then it's built into the kernel and you shouldn't need a module.
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17:21<scraze>FWIW, I have no /proc/config.gz (since that's not configured in the kernel ;]) so have to use: zgrep SHA256 /boot/config-`uname -r`
17:22<cq>boba: h, that file doesn't exist, but cat /proc/crypto | grep 256 shows a name:sha256 driver sha256-generic
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17:24<babilen>cq: Please take it to #ubuntu
17:24<cq>boba argh, found it. I was passing cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/disk/by-uuid/... and that changed during the operation, after that the error appeared. The error is gone if I apply the commant do the /dev/sda8
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17:27<cq>thanks for the help
17:27<boba>No problem. Please ask in the correct venue next time.
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17:29<cq>boba: I did, but as I said, they have less of a clue with lower level support :)
17:30<babilen>cq: That is no reason to come here for support. We do not support Ubuntu and you are welcome to install and use Debian if you want our support.
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17:32<cq>babilen: I have a ubuntu host and 4 vbox guests running DBs, webserver, mailserver etc., don't worry, I use enough Debian, just not for the desktop. For back-end, ubuntu is a no-go for me
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17:33<cq>babilen: next time I'll try to reproduce the bug on a debian box before coming here :)
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17:33<cq>or the problem rather, wasn't a bug
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17:58<xreal>Hi there. My content: version="..." timestamp="..." changeset="..." => how can I grep the content of timestamp?
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18:28<dvorak>scraze: Setting up the proxy worked properly. The proxy ip address should be the address assigned to the connection (not localhost
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21:14<padski>I'm looking for a tool to dump wifi, like tcpdump or perhaps at a lower level, in order to create a list of active mac addresses in an area over a period of time. wireshark ? something better ?
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21:20<padski>is there a replacement for aircrack-ng ? system says iw ???
21:21<cthuluh>padski: try tcpdump -y
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21:21<cthuluh>or perhaps iw, I don't know that stuff
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21:51<AynRand>I need to flash the BIOS on a new z68 mobo. Just a bunch of windows junk for flashing on msi page. How do I get around that?
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21:52<robbiethe1st>Download it, extract the zip file
21:52<AynRand>robbiethe1st done that
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21:52<robbiethe1st>stick the large binary file on a flash drive
21:52<robbiethe1st>it'll be named something unique
21:53<robbiethe1st>You can then reboot into the bios, and flash from inside it.
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21:54<AynRand>robbiethe1st there are two files in there. AFUDE238.ext and E781ims.N30
21:54<AynRand>robbiethe1st sry not ext..mean exe
21:56<AynRand>looks like the exe is the flashing program and the *.N30 one is the BIOS image
21:59<AynRand>So just make a boot FAT32 USB partition in lets say Unetbootin and cp over the to files to the USB stick?
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22:03<AynRand>Damn I hate hw manufacturers for there lack of *nix support! Asus, Gigabite, Asrock, MSI are all wankers! Asus support said more or less that if I was to cheap to buy Windows then they could not help me. ?!
22:04<robbiethe1st>msi seems to be fine as far as bios update goes.
22:04<robbiethe1st>Just take a fat32 flash drive, stick the binary file on it, boot into the bios and away you go
22:05<AynRand>robbiethe1st will give it a go. Thx
22:08<ml|>most newer motherboards can do that now
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22:12<AynRand>ml| well this one is about as new as they get. A msi Z68A-GD80 (G3). The BIOS is about as blinky as a Christmas tree in a cheap Mexican brothel!
22:14<AynRand>ml| good news (unlike the Asus board) vt-d works flawlessly
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22:15<damiano>i have a problem with audacity. I dunno actually if it's audacity prob or gnome or Debian in general.
22:15<damiano>but it's weird.
22:15<damiano>as usual.
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22:23<AynRand>Is there a way to check the C states of my cpu? Trying to debug why my USB devices (mouse and keyboard) get slow when I come out of the lower C states.
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22:26<chealer>AynRand: cpufreq-info?
22:26<AynRand>Not using CE1 but do let the system drop down to C6.
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22:29<blarson>AynRand: powertop
22:29<AynRand>chealer Yeah I have been using that. Not much info. I can see this "CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7" but not the C states of each "core"
22:30<AynRand>blarson Yeah that should do that trick if I remember right =D
22:30<AynRand>blarson Thx!
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22:34<eclif>tem alguemdo brasil
22:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:36<AynRand>OK I think I found the problem. When the system comes out of a higher C state back to C0 the polling of the mouse and keyboard are still in lala land.
22:36<AynRand>well the USB stuff that is
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23:40<AynRand>This is kind of weird but my usb mouse and keyboard to work fine on the some usb ports on my mobo but on others they "can" become really slow and choppy. Any ideas?
23:41<AynRand>on some of the usb ports*
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23:44<MrFrood>that's what you get for not using PS/2 connectors
23:45<AynRand>MrFrood I would use PS/2 if they were on this mobo =/
23:46<AynRand>MrFrood Have a ton of USB 2 and x2 USB3 ports though.
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23:47<MrFrood>usb is a bit too modern for me
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23:48<MrFrood>but don't they daisychain? is something further up the chain eating the bandwidth?
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23:49<MrFrood>(just guessing here)
23:50<AynRand>MrFrood Not sure. Would think with USB 3.0 & SATA 6Gb/s ports I would have enough.
23:51<AynRand>MrFrood was using my P4 for almost 6 years before I built this system. I plan on having it for the next 5 years or so.
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23:54<AynRand>MrFrood but still there is a chance that the 2 x Patriot Wildfire SSD (RAID 0) are taking their toll. Ill drop in an old HDD just to make sure.
23:54*MrFrood shames AynRand by ponting to his vintage working 286 - 5 years pah :P
23:55<AynRand>MrFrood your using a 286? In some weird way that is freaking neat!
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23:55<MrFrood>I have newer stiff too
23:56<MrFrood>but kind of drifting into offtopic here
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