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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-01

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01:17<qboster>hi all, how to make pbuilder support parallel build, just like dpkg-buildpackage -j ?
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01:55<jerryclunsford>I am running squeeze on an emachines e525 The usb port will only work with flash drives nothing else I have tried shows up if I get lsusb. All of the devices I have tried work fine with my oher computer also running Squeeze amd 64. Any Ideas?
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01:57<jerryclunsford>The Items I have tried include two usb mice, a usb joystick and an usb hub that uses an external power supply.
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02:12<willemb>Greetings
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02:13<willemb>Can anyone tell me how hosting companies manage thousands of mysql databases In a shared web hosting environment?
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02:13<willemb>Asking here because I want to know how to scale mysql on debian
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02:15<sney>usually it's handled with multiple standalone mysql servers
02:16<willemb>sney: mysql is pretty io-heavy, right?
02:16<willemb>so the disks basically have to be in the machine running the mysql instance?
02:17<willemb>so how do you decide how many databases per machine?
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02:17<willemb>the machine might be struggling because one database is badly indexed and heavily used, or simply because it has too many databases
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02:17<willemb>I really wish mysql clustering worked like apache reverse proxying
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02:37<lovelp>hello
02:37<lovelp>bye
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02:47<yangwen>hello
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03:54<dvorak>Hi
03:55<dvorak>I'm trying to create a file of a given size filled with another character than 0. But it has to be the same character. Any ideas on how to do that? (sorry for the short message, I pressed enter by mistake)
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03:59<grove>dvorak: perl -E 'for (1..<size>) { print "c" }' > file
03:59<Bushmills>or dd if=/dev/zero bs=16 count=1|sed "s/./x/g"
04:00<jm_>or simpler -- print "x" x 1000000 -- in perl
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04:03<dvorak>the character 0 is actually \0 with the code 0x00. I'm trying to have written in the file bytes of 7 (for example) instead of 0. A character like you have suggested occupies more than that (i think). Which means that my file will not have the same size as before... Right?
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04:04<Bushmills>8 bit chars occupy 8 bits
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04:26<dvorak>grove: It worked like a charm.... Thank you so much. tip: I can also escape characters in octal... that's good to know.
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04:37<profservers>Hi. Does anyone know why would ssh connections from private network be slow, when ssh connection from remote networks be ok?
04:37<profservers>It's not DNS
04:38<profservers>and it's not GSSAPI
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05:03<Bowwwweee>http://celebislegend.altervista.org/sito/ <-- visit this site! http://celebislegends.forumfree.it/ <-- and the forum
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05:09<korsakof>hi
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05:14<korsakof>someone connected?i dunno if its working
05:14<EmleyMoor>Yes
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05:14<EmleyMoor>The X session on my machine has been "frozen" for 4 minutes
05:15<EmleyMoor>Ah, not totally
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05:16<korsakof>hehehe
05:16<EmleyMoor>Not funny
05:16<korsakof>im new in debinan
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05:17<korsakof>debian
05:17<korsakof>and its my second time using irc
05:17<korsakof>i dont get yo use it
05:17<korsakof>dont mind
05:18<korsakof>which is the best client for irc?
05:19<EmleyMoor>irssi
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05:19<nitwit>hm i thought pax would be a drop in replacement for cpio but when i use it like that (find . -depth | pax -wv > pax.tar) files are being added twice. how's this supposed to work?
05:19<korsakof>is simple to user?
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05:20<EmleyMoor>Yes, I find it so
05:21<Black_Prince>irssi is old school ... And it is console client.
05:21<Black_Prince>And no, it is in no way simple to new user.
05:21<bones_was_here>all of them are the best, depending who you ask
05:21<pumafyre>irssi is the bomb
05:21<bones_was_here>its personal preference...
05:22<Black_Prince>Gui clients like quassel, xchat, pidgin, empathy, kvirc may be better.
05:22<pumafyre>Black_Prince: true
05:22<pumafyre>it's personal preference
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05:22<Black_Prince>(for new users that is)
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05:23<nitwit>ah got it
05:23<Black_Prince>Telling that irssi is best irc client is same as telling that elinks is best web browser.
05:23<ladoga|x41>Black_Prince: not quite
05:23<Black_Prince>They are both good, but far better and easier gui alternatives exist
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05:24<pumafyre>Black_Prince: I don't know about better
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05:24<ladoga|x41>Black_Prince: irssi maybe hard for new users, but it's easier for those used to it
05:24<Black_Prince>alright, s/better and//
05:24<pumafyre>Black_Prince: again, it's a matter of preference. Elinks is fast.
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05:24<ladoga|x41>Black_Prince: you can run it through ssh and screen which lets you be online always, even when your computer is turned off
05:24<pumafyre>Black_Prince: and I have those gui irc clients and only use irssii because it's easier for me :)
05:24<pumafyre>good point
05:25<ladoga|x41>Black_Prince: i agree that irssi is old school when GUI clients can do that
05:25<Black_Prince>Average user (even nevbies) don't even know how to connect to network via irssi ... Most of them will prefer to click-and-go ... and not half of hour of typing commands.
05:26<Black_Prince>er, s/even/mostly/
05:26<ladoga|x41>Black_Prince: yes, you're right
05:26<ladoga|x41>Black_Prince: but easy for new and experienced user are different
05:26<pumafyre>Black_Prince: true.
05:27<pumafyre>irssi can be a pain. but once it's configured it's great
05:31<ladoga|x41>for occasional irc users i think something like pidgin is good
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05:31<heikkila>Pidgin is confusing.
05:31<ladoga|x41>but if you need to follow several channels 24h then there's no replacement for irssi
05:31<korsakof>someone connected?i dunno if its working
05:31<korsakof>sorry
05:31<korsakof>it was written
05:31<korsakof>i gonna test it!!!
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05:38<korsakof>someone can help to start programming in Debian
05:38<korsakof>im computering science student
05:39<korsakof>ive been using linux a lot of years.
05:39<korsakof>but i wanna colaborate with the project
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05:41<mns>korsakof: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-contributing.en.html
05:41<mns>korsakof: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Contribute
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05:46<metaspike_>EmleyMoor, you might want to install a process monitor (i use htop) and see if anything is eating up your resources.
05:46<korsakof>thnks for the links
05:46<korsakof>i dunno how works this well
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06:09<nardev>how do i change location display to "text path" in nautilus? It's currently folder/button type.
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06:12<willemb>nardev: don't you just press ctrl + L ?
06:12<nardev>babilen, helped
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06:12<nardev>willemb, thank you, sorry i did cross post
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06:21<r4co0n>I want my newly-installed squeeze system to tell me what packages are installed on it. I found /var/log/apt/history.log and "grep Install" on it brings up quite some packages. Am I save to assume those are all packages installed?
06:21<petemc>dpkg -l
06:21<dpkg>Files in package petemc-pr0n: /srv/petemc-pr0n/petemc.jpg
06:21<r4co0n>petemc, thanks
06:21<petemc>np
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06:22<adzymaniac>dpkg -l
06:22<dpkg>Files in package adzymaniac-pr0n: /srv/adzymaniac-pr0n/adzymaniac.jpg
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06:27<babilen>r4co0n: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'
06:27<babilen>r4co0n: That lists only manually installed packages -- What are you trying to achieve?
06:30<r4co0n>I am following an 'ancient' O'Reilly book: Building secure servers with linux, and am trying to harden my system (for the first time). So I got the cumbersome task to weed through all the packages installed to find the few that I want uninstalled/reconfigured.
06:31<jm_>surely every decent debian newbie guide would mention this simple task
06:31<r4co0n>Does anyone know a good tutorial on Debian hardening that uses squeeze?
06:31<babilen>!harden
06:31<dpkg>To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>.
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06:31<r4co0n>jm_: I wouldnt consider myself debian/linux newbie, but I am for sure a hardening newb.
06:31<babilen>r4co0n: I would start with the "Securing Debian Manual"
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06:33<r4co0n>babilen: Am using this manual already.
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06:34<r4co0n>I am at a point now where I want to remove/replace to me unnecessary packages, so I can later setup a tripwire db.
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06:35<babilen>r4co0n: Well, the list produced with "aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'" is a start. You might want to use something like deborphan as well. But honestly: The basic idea is to install a minimal system and take it from there, not to install a bloated one and surgically remove packages.
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06:37<r4co0n>babilen: I installed a minimal system, but Michael Bauer, the guy who wrote the book, was of the opinion that those are almost always not minimal enough. And I try to get an overview of how the parts of the system play together, thinking that won't be bad if the worst happens somewhen.
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06:39<babilen>*sigh* -- I personally would never remove packages with standard priority. The most secure system is one that is not running. You might want to consider coating it in concrete and throwing it in the ocean though ;) Also http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/scissors.pdf
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06:39<r4co0n>aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'
06:39<r4co0n>search: You must provide at least one search term
06:40<weasel>babilen: like atd?
06:40<weasel>or exim4?
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06:41<r4co0n>babilen, so what about the most secure running system? thats the interesting part. But I get what u mean.
06:41<babilen>weasel: I would remove exim4 if I replace it with something else and I use atd once in a while.
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06:42<babilen>r4co0n: It was a joke -- The important part is to find a balance between a security and usability.
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06:44<r4co0n>babilen, what about the "aptitude search [...]", it threw back an error at my place.
06:44<r4co0n>see above
06:44<babilen>r4co0n: Is that exactly the command you used?
06:45<r4co0n>babilen, was visually copying and missed the space, sry
06:46<babilen>r4co0n: No problem :)
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06:49<r4co0n>thanks guys, now I know how to move on. I feel it's still gonna be some time until I've created MyPersonalFortress(tm)
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07:07<gob_bluth>hi, i've got a debian lenny server erroring with: W: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/lenny/volatile/main/binary-amd64/Packages 302 Found [IP: 130.89.148.13 80]
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07:18<nah>is there something like debian-multimedia from stable in testing? or just all the multimedia package are in main repo?
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07:21<metaspike_>gob_bluth, http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html - looks like the volitile system has been discontinued in favour of squeeze updates?
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07:23<metaspike_>nah, there is, here it is: http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m-testing.php
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07:27<nah>metaspike_: thanks
07:28<metaspike_>np
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07:32<philipp>hey how about to unban my ip from ur network?
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07:33<philipp>hey sucker why have you banned my home ip?
07:34<devil>philipp: your last sentence should tell you
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07:36*amphi boggles
07:36<philipp>devil i never trolled here, i allways helped if i could and i kept it family friendly
07:37<devil>philipp: yeah, calling people names makes it much more likely, you might get unbanned
07:37<tortuga>philipp: ouep, insulte pas les gens, tu ne seras pas bannis dans ce cas.
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07:38<philipp>ye ye lorem ipsum and stuff
07:38<philipp>well cause i dont think like the rest of you guys i get banned
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07:38<philipp>devil no i did not call names before i got banned
07:39<tortuga>philipp: http://translate.google.fr/?hl=fr&tab=wT
07:39<devil>philipp: doing so now is notr helpful
07:39<devil>philipp: if you did nothing wrong, talk to the one who banned you
07:40<philipp>tortuga... kk i click it... oh wait i have neighter a mouse nor a gui or how you say it
07:41<philipp>devil i have no idea who
07:41<devil>philipp: you can probably check the banlist in your client
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07:41<philipp>is there a support channel where i dont have to be "vergin friendly"
07:42<tortuga>philipp: bah tout pis pour toi mec, le monde ne tourne pas uniquement autour de l'anglais, sachant que 40 % de cette langue provient du français ... lance donc l'idée d'un programme de traduction automatique, qui fonctionne en ligne de commande :p
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07:43<philipp>there tortuga for example is realy offensive to me but i get banned for haveing "born2troll" as nick -.-
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07:45<tortuga>philipp: bisous
07:46<philipp>just tell me where the normal human beeing meet and are alowed to swear and flame when they help each other
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07:47<tortuga>"sucker" is not really a good word for launch one s.o.s.
07:48<devil>philipp: why should that happen in a support-channel?
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07:50<philipp>devil because its life. people are that way
07:51<TCW>philipp, those support channels like this one tend to get all sorts of folks. Rough and soft ones, gangstas and soft-spotted ones. So it absolutely makes sense to try to keep the tone friendly as YOU may get along with a more cracking tone, others may not. So if you REALLY need to have a support-cannel that fits YOUR preference in that detail... you may need to create one on your own...
07:51<MrFrood>philipp: in my expieriance mostly they are "that way"
07:51<MrFrood>in real life
07:52<devil>philipp: swearing and cussing in a busy channel with 500 people? cmon, grow up.
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07:53<philipp>okey guys i have a real probelm where i could need help i just tell u i guess
07:54<MrFrood>+1 for devil and civil society
07:54<TCW>philipp, if it is debian related, here! But keep the voiuce down...
07:54<philipp>whats the minimal installation on the terminal that i need to view images?
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07:54<TCW>voice even
07:54<MrFrood>philipp: framebuffer + fbi
07:54<philipp>explain fbi please
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07:55<TCW>philipp, its a pic viewer for the framebufferterminal
07:55<devil>imagemagick has a viewer also
07:55<MrFrood>fbi is a package for viewing images & pdf's in the framebuffer
07:56<philipp>is the framebuffer automatically installing if i install fbi? if not how to install framebuffer?
07:57<MrFrood>philipp: the fb was moost likly auto setup when you installed debian
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07:57<TCW>btw. is KMS framebuffer compatible in that regard?
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07:57<MrFrood>when debian booes does the font size change during the boot process?
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07:57<MrFrood>TCW: yes
07:57<hoshi411>fina lly got debian running on my tablet device. anyone know of any scripts or app that will make the interface work more like a tablet? like so i can scroll beter with my finger?
07:58<philipp>arf i forgott to enable screen brb
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07:58<TCW>hoshi411, wacom driver enabled?
07:58<TCW>for Xorg that is
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07:59<philipp>sry i forgott.. how was the image viewing program called again?
07:59<TCW>fbi
07:59<TCW>hardly to forget that name imho :)
07:59<philipp>TCW ye sry im stupid X)
08:00<hoshi411>TCW: no . will that help me?
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08:00<TCW>hoshi411, if the driver supports your tablet hardware, it should... that's why it is there :)
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08:03<TCW>hoshi411, put the hardware must support two-fingered-gestures in the firxt place.
08:03<TCW>s/pu/but/
08:04<TCW>gna... anyway :)
08:04<hoshi411>tcw thanks i will give it a shot
08:04<philipp>my ip is 84.113.15.143 could u check whats with my ip?
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08:05<TCW>hoshi411, do you know what kind of tablet-touchscreen-hardware you have there?
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08:05<GoodOldBrian>#
08:05<TCW>e.g. connected via rs232, usb, chipset...
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08:06<GoodOldBrian>#list
08:06<TCW>hoshi411, btw. what tablet device is it?
08:06<devil>philipp: babilen banned you
08:06<hoshi411>tcw no i dont but it is probly the same as the asus transformer
08:06<hoshi411>it is the sl101 asus slider
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08:08<TCW>hoshi411, originally shipped with android?
08:08<philipp>devil im not gonna begg for mercy... i would like to come here for help but im not begging
08:08<hoshi411>tcw yes
08:08<babilen_>philipp: You can join #debian-ops (or /msg me later) to discuss your ban and behaviour on oftc and freenode.
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08:08<hoshi411>tcw im running android and chrooted into debian squeeze wth lxde
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08:08<philipp>i get a error useing fbi /deb/fb0: permission denied
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08:08<loveyou>fd
08:08<LEkkereBatsHoofd>hi
08:09<loveyou>heeeei
08:09<abrotman>hi
08:09<abrotman>?
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08:09<loveyou>hi!
08:09<LEkkereBatsHoofd>how are you?
08:09<abrotman>both bots eh ?
08:09<LEkkereBatsHoofd>?
08:09<devil>hi-bots
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08:09<LEkkereBatsHoofd>where are our from?
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08:09<abrotman>and we're done
08:09<fuckyou>hoi
08:09<MrFrood>philipp: if you goto the fbi upstream website they explain how to fix this
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08:09<TCW>hoshi411, oops... no idea if that works the way you want in a chroot.... I don't say it won't, I just have no idea but somehow a few doubts here and there :)
08:10<devil>LEkkereBatsHoofd: you are in the wrong channel
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08:10<abrotman>devil: all of them?
08:10<devil>heh
08:10<philipp>going to the offtopic channel to tell you further about how human are
08:11<amphi>philipp: you mean those small edible bipeds?
08:11<philipp>amphi what?
08:11<amphi>'humans'
08:11<hoshi411>tcw im running it on a vnc server over localhost . the vnc client gives me options for input like mouse etc but debian does not respond like a touch device. i will try the wacom driver thanks
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08:12<cthuluh>philipp: so what are the permissions on your /dev/fb0 device?
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08:12<TCW>hoshi411, eeks... VNC? Sounds very ... annoying to use it that way :)
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08:13<philipp>crw-rw--- cthuluh
08:13<MrFrood>cthuluh: the permissions thing is covered on the upstream fbi site
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08:13<hoshi411>tcw yea it is annoying but... until debian arm gets developed enough i stilll need android
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08:13<cthuluh>MrFrood: ah, you were talking about the free software fbi package, I didn't get it :)
08:14<hoshi411>for my built in camera etc
08:15<TCW>hoshi411, "not developed enough"? You mean not all hardware in that tablet is supported?
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08:15<hoshi411>tcw that`s what i mean
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08:16<hoshi411>arm is still in the infant stages on debian but i really do not have many complaints and am very impressed
08:16<TCW>That would be a Linux-kernel thing and not Debian itself
08:16<hoshi411>this is a brand new tablet and already so much functionality
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08:17<hoshi411>tcw the wacom driver was already installled but do i need to turn it on somehow?
08:17<TCW>hoshi411, agreed, but as Debian is one of the lonely distros that support ARM in teh first place, it is somewhat strange to hear Debian would not support ARM well :)
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08:18<jordanm>!arm
08:18<dpkg>Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.
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08:18<TCW>hoshi411, I have a old tablet-PC so I only know how the touchscreen works on bare-metal, no idea about chroot / vnc. But As I know how limited VNC is, you may just get it to emulate a mouse.
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08:22<hoshi411>tcw do i need a gui tool to configure the wacom driver?
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08:23<TCW>hoshi411, you do not *need* a gui tool, you can enable / configure it via console as well
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08:25<hoshi411>"enable xserver-xorg-input-wacom" in terminal?
08:25<hoshi411>what is the secret word?
08:26*abrotman cries
08:27<TCW>hoshi411, "load it" or make sure it is already loaded and xsetwacom is for configureing it
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08:27<TCW>hoshi411, but as said... only bare-metal experience here. I *guess* with VNC and a chroot in between...
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08:42<safinaskar>io_: hello
08:42<safinaskar>io_: only english here :))
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08:42<abrotman>safinaskar: he didn't say anything ?
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08:43<safinaskar>abrotman: its my friend
08:43<safinaskar>abrotman: it was joke
08:44<safinaskar>abrotman: *he is my friend
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08:59<blacksoft>how to update kernel in ubuntu 11.04
08:59<abrotman>blacksoft: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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09:49<houms>i am trying to unpackage and modify squashfs and repackage it. My only question is how can i force mksquashfs create a 3.0 filesystem as opposed to 4.0
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09:50<philipp>guys i cant use fbi.... /dev/fb0 permission denied
09:50<philipp>what should i do bysites hanging myself or drink?
09:50*Bushmills thinks the secret word for tonight is "mud shark"
09:50<cthuluh>philipp: man fbi
09:50<cthuluh>please make an effort
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09:52<philipp>or you just tell me ...
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09:52<philipp>okey i look it up but why are you in a support channel then -.-
09:53<cthuluh>*plonk*
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09:56<eightyeight>heh
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09:57<grummund>Is there a rough estimate for how long Lenny will continue to receive security updates?
09:57<eightyeight>1 year after Wheezy releases
09:58<grummund>oh, so at least 12 months then... assuming Wheezy goes stable tomorrow.
09:58<houms>any know where i can find answer to squashfs question?
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09:59<eightyeight>grummund: correct
09:59<grummund>thanks
09:59<eightyeight>np
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10:00<grummund>eightyeight: hmm, actually are you sure about that?
10:00<eightyeight>yes
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10:01<eightyeight>grummund: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable
10:02<eightyeight>grummund: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan
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10:02<eightyeight>oh, he quit
10:02<grummund>yes i just read both of those, hence my question :P
10:02<eightyeight>ok
10:03<babilen>grummund: Squeeze was released in February 2011 so you can expect Lenny security support until February 2012 (unless wheezy will be released in january, which will not happen)
10:03<grummund>the way i read it: Lenny would receive security updates unit 1 year after release of Squeeze.
10:03<babilen>grummund: indeed
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10:04<damiano>hi there
10:04<eightyeight>oh, right
10:04<damiano>i have a question concerning Audacity on Debian stable.
10:04*eightyeight hates codenames
10:04<damiano>does anybody use it?
10:04<eightyeight>lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy
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10:05<babilen>damiano: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=audacious ← note that these number are not reliable as not everybody is reporting usage to popcon
10:06<babilen>damiano: There are probably also a lot of other people who use audacious on other distributions
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10:06<damiano>i know, but i asked people from out here.. the present ones.
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10:06<damiano>cause i need someone who knows it's behaviour
10:06<damiano>its*
10:06<babilen>damiano: Just assume that some people in here use audacious -- I would suggest to just ask your real question and we will answer it if we can
10:07<damiano>i'm dtalking about Audacity, not Audacious
10:07<damiano>it's a big difference
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10:07<babilen>Ah, sorry. I guess the same applies to audacity as well
10:07<grove>damiano: babilen's point is just as valid
10:07<damiano>it's alright.
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10:07<damiano>well ok, but the question is not how many people use it...
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10:08<damiano>i just asked if you guys use it. You two for example.
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10:08<babilen>damiano: I don't
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10:08<damiano>well.. you see? That's why i asked!
10:08<damiano>and i'm not surprised either
10:08<babilen>damiano: Just ask your real question, it is much easier to give you the answer you are looking for
10:08<damiano>ok
10:08<damiano>the issue is..
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10:09<grove>damiano: Why does it make you happy to know that babilen doesn't use it? You're no closer to having your problem solved
10:09<damiano>when i open up a file and perform any editing operation i can undo it easily, but only if freshly edited. If i do something else, like play the edited region just to see how accurate it is then i can't undo it anymore! I mean.. it becomes inactive.
10:10<damiano>grove, that's right, but i just reasoned up there why i inquired that.
10:10<abrotman>does it force you to save it ? or does it not offer that option either?
10:10<damiano>grove, to know if there's anyone who can help me at the moment.
10:10<damiano>abrotman, hm...
10:10<damiano>abrotman, not really. Unless i attempt to quit.
10:11<abrotman>but does saving actually work ?
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10:11<grove>damiano: We really can't know whether we can help you without knowing the real issue. I have used audacity a few times, but I don't remember seeing the behaviour you describe (but I might have forgotten about) so I can't help, but I couldn't tell
10:12<damiano>abrotman, sure... why not?
10:12<abrotman>i'm asking you to try it
10:12<damiano>ok...
10:12<damiano>let me do it.
10:12<abrotman>i'm wondering if it opens the file read-only .. and therefore doesn't care about undo ?
10:13<abrotman>(not the best method, just curious)
10:13<damiano>hm....
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10:14<antonio>OLAAAA
10:14<antonio>OLAAA
10:14<damiano>yeah, it sves it.
10:14<damiano>saves*
10:14<antonio>español??
10:14<antonio>Ç*^^^*++++
10:14<damiano>but.. i saved it under a different name, i don't wanna overwrite it.
10:15<antonio>peifjfjf9ejfjeosofej
10:15<antonio>ola xoi español
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10:16<damiano>i tried another file.. same story.. Undo gets disabled if i only just play the edited file after having done a cut operation..
10:16<damiano>it forgets it right away if i do anything other than Undo right on the spot..
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10:17<damiano>could that be due to the fact that i don't use SWAP?..
10:17<damiano>and as a matter of fact i don't.
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10:18<petemc> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Undo,_Redo_and_History
10:18<damiano>ok.. thanks.
10:18<damiano>let me see..
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10:20<micha-->hi, i got a logitech c270 webcam (supported by uvc). as soon as i connect it, the other usb devices disconnect. on win7 it works fine. any pointers?
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10:20<damiano>hmmm...
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10:22<project2501a>this is strange. i elected not to add firmware-linux-nonfree.tar.gz during network detection. i am pretty sure i have formatted the usb stick correctly (as fat16). i have unpacked the .deb files on / . but the 'load firmware from removable media" dialog does not want to pick up the packages.
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10:22<project2501a>are there any d-i images with linux 3.0 or above?
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10:25<abrotman>project2501a: yes, but not for stable
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10:25<damiano>still don't get
10:25<damiano>it forgets Undo just as soon as i play it...
10:25<damiano>but it remembers a whole string of actions if i don't play it.
10:25<damiano>what exactly happens when i play the damn file..
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10:26<damiano>a bit of remark here: one friend of mine installed Audacity on slackware, it worked fine for him. I mean.. what i can't get done here he does easily there.
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10:26<damiano>so.. yeah... it MUST remember it no matter what.
10:26<damiano>anyways.. thanks for help.
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10:28<damiano>you know what.. i've noticed one more thing.. not only Undo doesn't work when i play the file... after that i can't even cut it!
10:28<damiano>basically a whole row of functions gets disabled...
10:28<damiano>and then i can only restart the program to make it work again..
10:28<damiano>that's weird..
10:29<damiano>ahhhhhhh
10:29<damiano>shiiiiit
10:29<damiano>i've found it
10:29<damiano>the problem:
10:29<damiano>i was pausing the file, not STOPPING it
10:29<damiano>hahaha
10:30<damiano>if i stop it works.
10:30<damiano>sorry for bothering.
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10:31<abrotman>!enter
10:31<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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10:31<damiano>sorry.
10:31<damiano>that was coming bit by bit.
10:32<damiano>but what that really difficult to follow? ;)
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10:33<damiano>was*
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10:34<damiano>now...
10:34<damiano>good old question..
10:34<damiano>why some of the disks cause the system to halt...
10:34<damiano>i've tested it on xfce - problem ceased.
10:35<damiano>so.. it's actually Gnome's issue.
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10:35<damiano>what is responsible for starting up CD/DVDs in Gnome?
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10:35<damiano>if i insert it.
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10:40<jhutchins_lt>damiano: Please stop.
10:40<damiano>stop what?..
10:40<damiano>people.. why don't you like me...
10:41<damiano>whatever... fine.
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10:46<abrotman>damiano: you're abrasive .. just a hint
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10:47<azilis>like a sponge? lol
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10:51<damiano>abrotman, i dunno what you mean by that
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10:51<abrotman>no kidding ..
10:51<petemc>you're overly verbose and tend to go on about things more than is entirely necessary
10:52<abrotman>and you're not friendly?
10:53<damiano>i am.
10:54<damiano>but if you push my buttons persistently.. then who knows. And as for "more than is entirely necessary", i'm just trying to bring more details so you could recognize possibly familiar issue.
10:54<damiano>what do you want me to say? "It doesn't work! Help!"
10:54<damiano>?
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10:55<sney>try to organize your thoughts so it comes out mostly all at once instead of a stream of consciousness wall of text
10:55<damiano>then you'd say "please, be more specific"... gee you guys.. you're just trying to pull my leg again. And my thoughts are in a perfectly good order, sir. It's just that there are some people that have problems comprehending what i'm saying. And something tells me this prob is other than mine.
10:56<damiano>so please.... this is a support channel, mind me reminding you?.. Let us stop discussing me and lifestyle.
10:56<damiano>my *
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10:57<abrotman>damiano: we can discuss it in #debian-offtopic if you prefer
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11:00<damiano>abrotman, alrighty.
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11:01<jcdenton>hi
11:02<jcdenton>i've got a problem
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11:03<jcdenton>i have installed debian
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11:03<jcdenton>and its not ubuntu
11:03<jcdenton>how do i turn debian into ubuntu
11:04<heikkila>jcdenton, how do you mean? Do you want to install the Unity interface?
11:04<tensorpudding>methinks it's a troll
11:04<tensorpudding>very like a troll
11:04<eightyeight>jcdenton: uninstall debian, and install ubuntu. that's how
11:04<jcdenton>no,
11:04<jcdenton>i want to use ubuntu but it says im using debian
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11:04<heikkila>That's good.
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11:05<eightyeight>jcdenton: going to #ubuntu would be better than here
11:05<tensorpudding>if you installed debian
11:05<jcdenton>ok
11:05<tensorpudding>you better hope it says that is what you're using
11:05<heikkila>jcdenton, #ubuntu on freenode
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11:08<mini>а русскоговорящие есть?
11:08<tensorpudding>!ru
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11:08<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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11:08<mini>a
11:09<mini>ok ok
11:09<mini>sorry
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11:15<iuriguilherme>jcdenton: you COULD try to remove the debian repositories from your sources.list and add the Ubuntu repositories, but that WOULD cause a mess in your system, especially if you installed the GNOME DE along with Debian.
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11:15<iuriguilherme>jcdenton: So your best bet is to download Ubuntu iso and make the whole installation process again
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11:16<jcdenton>oh
11:16<jcdenton>cant i just change the logo
11:16<eightyeight>heh
11:17<eightyeight>jcdenton: sure. change it to the windows logo, and you're running windows! :)
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11:17<jcdenton>lol
11:17<abrotman>jcdenton: please stop trolling
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11:17<jcdenton>okay sorry
11:18<abrotman>iuriguilherme: and for future reference .. your first suggestion should not be repeated .. tell them to download the ISO and install fresh
11:18<abrotman>and to go to #ubuntu
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11:29<qdb>my ubuntu 9.10 is now somehow hacked. it was hardened with apparmor. but gedit, eye of gnome and several other apps had not apparmor profiles, also sudo was with default settings. i have seen that session.php file of phpbb is modified though apache could not write in it even as root because of apparmor rules, so i think my system is hacked through desktop... there is way to get root access through sudo timeout , whether firefox or flash could do it? do they ne
11:29<qdb>ed access to /dev/tty or ...bin/sudo to do that? also it can be direct access to comp. may be the system is hacked through hack in image file? if i install debian now, what should i configure? apache was mpm worker php fcgid
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11:29<sney>!ubuntuirc qdb
11:29<dpkg>qdb: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
11:30<qdb>sney, " if i install debian now ... "
11:31<sney>qdb: also, if you want advice on hardening a debian install , you can read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
11:31<qdb>i dislike that people in debian channel are so aggressive against ubuntu )
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11:31<sney>this is a general support channel and most of us are not security experts, though you will sometimes get lucky
11:31<sney>it's not aggression, it's just a conditioned response. I admit that I didn't initially read past "my ubuntu 9.10 .."
11:31<eightyeight>qdb: aggressive? this isn't an ubuntu support channel? what are you expecting?
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11:32<eightyeight>s/channel\?/\./
11:32<eightyeight>meh
11:32<abrotman>qdb: this channel is for Debian, if people want to support Ubuntu, they would join #ubuntu .. #debian cannot possibly support every .deb based distro .. have a nice day
11:33<sney>qdb: see, they didn't read past "my ubuntu 9.10" either :P
11:33<eightyeight>i read the whole thing, although it was difficult to parse
11:33<abrotman>sney: i'm explaining why .. nothing more
11:34<abrotman>or rather .. why we don't support Ubuntu ..
11:34<qdb>in this case sney has not seen my text about debian, but something like this happened before in this channel, sometimes i was not right, but sometimes people here was like aggressive against ubuntu ...
11:35<tensorpudding>it's clear this channel doesn't support ubuntu, but the point is that the question didn't have to do with ubuntu
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11:35<abrotman>tensorpudding: it did in that he mentioned it .. could have just said "my last distro"
11:35<abrotman>anyway .. /me goes to eat .. have fun
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11:36<tensorpudding>complaining about the poster providing too much information?
11:36<tensorpudding>that's a new one
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11:38<hoobydooby>hi, I have been struggling to understand why my copy speeds are so slow when I use debian. I've been reading all kinds of things and am still no closer to understanding it.
11:39<sney>copy from what to what?
11:39<hoobydooby>it happens with both usb and also across to my windows partition.
11:39<hoobydooby>maybe an issue with the ntfs file system??
11:39<qdb>is there system that can check whether any file is modified comparing to version in repository? i think it should use sha... or full comparison because md5 is hacked... or i so not need such system? i haev seen that rkhunter or ... program like that could save hashes of all files when they are good, then check with them
11:39<tensorpudding>usb is slow
11:40<sney>qdb: debsums
11:40<tensorpudding>especially if you have old usb ports
11:40<qdb>"or i do not need such system?"
11:40<hoobydooby>I'm talking about copy speeds of like 5mb / second
11:40<sney>5M/s is pretty good for usb. but if your windows drive is in the same system it should be much faster than that.
11:40<hoobydooby>i'm running core i5 with 4mb or ram, usb 2.0 ports
11:41<heikkila>hoobydooby, usb2?
11:41<heikkila>oh you just said that, nvm
11:41<hoobydooby>usual copy speeds would be right about 1 gig per minute on average when i boot from my windows 7 partition, yes even with usb
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11:41<hoobydooby>so this is waaay slow.
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11:42<hoobydooby>like I said, does debian maybe have an issue with NTFS?
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11:42<sney>check bugs.debian.org but nothing I've heard of
11:42<hoobydooby>bc both the external hdd and my windows partition are formatted to such
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11:43<hoobydooby>I've read of others experiencing this problem, but no solutions seem to be there.
11:43<qdb>4mb of ram ? hm... do i know what is ram?...
11:43<hoobydooby>gb. :)
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11:44<hoobydooby>yesterday in this channel I was advised to see benchmark of the hdd so:
11:45<qdb>hoobydooby, what happens if you copy with ext.. instead of ntfs?
11:45<hoobydooby>average read rate = 66mb / second,
11:45<hoobydooby>good question qdb
11:45<hoobydooby>I will format a flash drive and find out.
11:46<juser>Running Squeeze, trying to start Shorewall with "/etc/init.d/shorewall start" does not seem to start shorewall, while "/sbin/shorewall start" does. Is this correct behavior? See http://pastebin.com/ZRLcyZ3S
11:46<qdb>hoobydooby, journalised fs is bad for flash drives
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11:46<hoobydooby>hmmm
11:46<qdb>so ntfs is also bad
11:46<qdb>and also ext3
11:46<qdb>also ext4
11:47<hoobydooby>so i will have to test another way.
11:47<qdb>and in linuxes ntfs makes high cpu load, may be it is limiting factor?
11:47<sney>juser: check /etc/default/shorewall for any directives that keep it from starting
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11:48<hoobydooby>my cpu load is very small, and well distributed over the 4 cores...
11:48<hoobydooby>even during file copy operations.
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11:49<gnugr>juser: this will help you: " http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/shorewall "
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11:51<juser>sney: Thanks. That was it. I thought it was enough to change the allow run variable in /etc/shorewall.conf.
11:51<juser>thanks gnugr
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11:56<qdb>juser, gnugr i have read shorewall manuals , it was hard for me because i do not know english well, but somehow after that iptables is more easy for me, i just use iptables-restore and sh scripts and direct iptables commands with sudo
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11:59<qdb>sney, i should check that files from live cd, because in hacked system it may be hacked itself, there is debian standard and resque livecd s does they have debsys or other programs that i can use?
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12:00<qdb>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
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12:02<qdb>they do not have debsys
12:04<qdb>probably i can make live usb and install debsys in it. but i would use cd-r because i would trust that it is not modified
12:05<babilen>debsums
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12:07<qdb>man page of debsums: " .... see other tools such as: aide, integrit, samhain, or tripwire "
12:09<qdb>they are in debian resque cd except integrit
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12:21<juser>qdb: Yeah learning to use iptables directly properly seems best I agree.
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12:23<juser>qdb: what is debsys
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12:23<juser>?
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12:33<heikkila>juser, I think he meant debsums
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12:33<juser>heikkila: oh. thanks
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12:39<Guest18951>hi I installedapache2 but I cant acces to my IP 192.168.0.133 from another computer. what is wrong?
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12:40<cthuluh>many things can go wrong
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12:41<Guest18951>yes but I dont know what. And I have a router
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12:42<cthuluh>Guest18951: are both computers on the same IP network?
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12:44<Guest18951>cthuluh, I don’t know what that means. But I want to access to my server from anywhere
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12:45<bazzare>hey everyone! Okay, so I have a share server set up with SMB. I run these two commands; chmod -R gu+rw /data/hr and chown -R :hr /data/hr. and I made sure I am part of the HR group that has permissions to this share. so I open the share and I can access some things, but it still says I do not have permission to access other. can anyone help me trouble shoot this please?
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12:46<cthuluh>Guest18951: are both machines on the same lan?
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12:47<bazzare>Guest18951: you need to set up a VPN so you can connect to your shares from anywhere
12:47<bazzare>Guest18951: go buy a 30 dollar computer with 2 NICs and install untangled on it
12:47<bazzare>!untangled
12:48<retrospectacus>bazzare: stop
12:48<retrospectacus>bazzare: you'll need gu+x on directories
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12:49<bazzare>retrospectacus: thanks for your answer, I would use that in conjunction with the first command correct?
12:49<Guest18951>bazzare, I don want to access to my shares. My server just shows the index.html file.
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12:49<Guest18951>bazzare, I just want to acces to that page from anywhere
12:49<retrospectacus>yes
12:50<retrospectacus>Guest18951: ignore bazzare, listen to cthuluh
12:50<bazzare>guest18951: yea sorry I jumped in ignor me
12:51<heikkila>Guest18951, if you see index.html from another computer then you are probably accessing its apache server
12:51<Guest18951>cthuluh, yes,
12:51<bazzare>retrospectacus: okay I tried that and the files did not change. group privlage is 1020 and owner privlage is 1001 - user #1001 does this mean anything? I
12:51<Guest18951>heikkila, thats what i want to do
12:52<jerryclunsford>Does anyone know of a reason why a usb 2.0 port will work with flash drives but not mouse (tried 2 work on other squeeze amd64 machine) keyboard, joystick, generic usb hub?
12:52<retrospectacus>bazzare: what you said is meaningless. "1020" is not a "privlage"
12:52<retrospectacus>Guest18951: browse to http://192.168.0.133/ -> ?
12:52<cthuluh>Guest18951: so there is a problem, since the default debian apache2 install listens on 0.0.0.0, it should be reachable from any computer on your lan
12:53<cthuluh>Guest18951: can you ping the server, from the client?
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12:53<bazzare>retrospectacus: is there any other commands I could try? everything I have tried is failing. I even tried using the GUI right clicking on folder and changing the permissions that way to no avail
12:54<heikkila>bazzare, 1001 is more likely your user id rather than a file's permissions.
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12:55<retrospectacus>bazzare: I don't know, I don't use samba. SSH is all you need
12:56<heikkila>bazzare, did you run chown -R .. with root account or with sudo or as the owner of the /hr folder?
12:57<bazzare>yea but I am running my companies server, and I have about 20 computers running windows connected. I usually only use SSH to edit my server
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12:57<bazzare>ohh I have been running it with root
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12:57<bazzare>heikkila: i have been running it with root
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12:58<heikkila>bazzare, okey yes, that should have made the effect of the subfolders then
12:58<cthuluh>Guest18951: you're fast at asking questions but not at providing answers
12:59<LotR>if you do it from a package postinst, is there any reason to store a gpg key you add with apt-key on disk somewhere?
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12:59<bazzare>heikkila: Yea I am stuck on this one, I guess I will try it under my user name
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12:59<juser>I'd like to "divide" the mess of log entries in /var/log/syslog so output from one program/service goes into one separate log file, and another program/service to another log file, etc. possible? recommendations?
13:00<bazzare>heikkila: got a bunch of errors that time now
13:00<bazzare>exit
13:00<heikkila>hmm
13:00<retrospectacus>juser: grep service syslog > service.log
13:00<cthuluh>juser: use runit!
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13:00<cthuluh>juser: or just use your daemons config switches and/or syslog splitting
13:01<ratnick>idnick
13:01<retrospectacus>juser: yes check out syslog.conf
13:01<juser>retrospectacus: Yeah the first thing that came to my mind was to just search the log and output to a copy log file.. but it would be better if I could control/tell the system to do it "neatly"
13:01<heikkila>bazzare, retrospectacus mentioned you should use "gu+x on directories", not sure what he meant though, I guess on the chown command?
13:01<retrospectacus>yes you can juser :)
13:02<retrospectacus>heikkila: directories should be +x , that's all
13:02<heikkila>oh yes
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13:03<retrospectacus>juser: I think debian uses rsyslog by default. You'll want to edit /etc/rsyslog.conf to configure different logfiles per facility (man rsyslog.conf)
13:04<bazzare>retrospectacus ohhh +x ONLY lol! thanks
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13:05<retrospectacus>not *only* ... 755 is normal, or you might want 775
13:05<juser>retrospectacus: oh. thanks. I've been checking for /etc/syslog.conf and doing "man syslog.conf" etc, but I should have seen the rsyslog.conf file :)
13:05<juser>cthuluh: will check out "runit"
13:05<bazzare>retrospectacus; what command would I use for 775? that willopen it up for everyone though guests and all right?
13:05<cthuluh>juser: you won't lose your time doing so :)
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13:06<juser>:)
13:06<retrospectacus>bazzare: not for writing. 775 is rwxrwxr-x
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13:06<wullst>hi. i think i realized something problematic concerning the download of debian from debian.org.
13:06<bazzare>retrospectacus; I ran chmod -R 775 /data/hr and the issue is still there
13:07<bazzare>is there a server room for this kind of stuff instead of just a general chat?
13:07<wullst>checksums are hard to find.
13:07<cthuluh>wullst: they're in the same directory as the isos...
13:07<wullst>i know.
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13:08*cthuluh rolls eyes
13:08<wullst>but i think, that basically no one who has not been using debian for quite a while will know that.
13:08<wullst>why is there no information about verifying checksums on the download page?
13:09<heikkila>bazzare, this is for general support with Debian and not general chat.
13:09<cthuluh>wullst: put them on your blog and write interesting stuff next to them so that they get referecnced
13:09<retrospectacus>bazzare: there is probably a samba channel somewhere
13:09<cthuluh>wullst: there are informations in the debian installation manual. do you need *more*?
13:10<bazzare>heikkila: general support is what I meant :)
13:10<wullst>no, personally not. but i think that it woulöd be a good idea to raise security consciousness for newcomers a little.
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13:10<wullst>just a hint + a link. would be enough.
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13:11<emmetea>pros and cons of ext4 vs ext2 for enduser's desktops?
13:11<hoobydooby>qdb: ok so it's the same thing when copying files in ext3 filesystem.
13:11<wullst>ext2 doesn't have a journal?
13:11<heikkila>bazzare, ok, #samba and #samba-technical on the Freenode network.
13:11<hoobydooby>same slow speeds.
13:11<emmetea>wullst, so ext4 is reallly just ext3?
13:12<cthuluh>no
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13:12<wullst>no. otherwies it would not be called ext4.
13:12<wullst>but i do not know about the difference.
13:12<bazzare>heikkila: thanks you have been a help, same to you retrospectacus
13:12<emmetea>wullst, okay sorry got confused by your ext2 doesn't contain journals.
13:12<retrospectacus>bazzare: best of luck
13:12<wullst>because you asked about ext2.
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13:13<cthuluh>preallocation, shortened fsck time, better large directories support.. etc
13:13<wullst>afaik, ext3 and ext4 are journaled filesystems. ext2 not.
13:13<emmetea>well if im going to be installing linux for a roommate and don't plan on really maintaing it should i go with ext2 since its what i used to use, or give them ext4 since its the newest?
13:13<hoobydooby>in regards to my super slow speeds problem, I found a post that looked most similar to my issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1490876
13:13<wullst>does debian use ext4 by default now?
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13:14<wullst>simply use ext3 or ext4, if you are not working with a seoarate boot partition or wnat to share things between operating systems.
13:14<heikkila>wullst, it's in the installera anyway
13:14<wullst>i mean shring in the sense of a shared partition.
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13:15<wullst>yes, it will suggest ext3 anyway.
13:16<heikkila>wullst, yes, if you start your file system from scratch so to say, I guess it does
13:17<emmetea>wullist oh i thought i had asked about ext2 or ext4, my bad
13:17<heikkila>wheezy installer seemed to choose ext4 as default iirc
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13:17<emmetea>well the boot partition is ext2 but its only 40 M
13:17<wullst>emmetea: you did exactly that.
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13:17<wullst>the boot partition is ok that way.
13:17<tsnovo>what is the newest version of debian?
13:18<wullst>unstable
13:18<heikkila>tsnovo, Debian squeeze 6.0.3 is the latest stable release
13:18<tsnovo>how can i see if mine is that?
13:18<jerryclunsford>I have searched and searched on the internet and only seem to find the problem the other way around usb port doesn't work with flash drives but other devices do work. My problem is flash drives work and all other usb devices I have tried are not even detected. I am using Squeeze amd64?
13:19<emmetea>sorry for so many questions about it i linuxed from 96-03 and just access to a computer again. i had remembered ext3 just coming out so the whole ext4 thing i wasn't sure if it was robust and stable
13:19<babilen>tsnovo: cat /etc/debian_version
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13:20<wullst>ok. i really think that a link to the document about verifying debian signatures for iso images should be on the download page.
13:20<Volley>jerryclunsford: can you give some examples for that all other usb devices?
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13:20<wullst>it is really not easy to find. and someone who does not know about it, will not be made aware.
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13:21<tsnovo>heikkila, i taped cat /etc/debian_version and appeared it wheezy/sid
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13:21<heikkila>tsnovo, then you have the sid version I guess
13:22<tsnovo>hum...
13:22<jerryclunsford>Volley: 2 different mice, Keyboard, joystick, generic usb hub.
13:22<babilen>(or testing/wheezy)
13:22<tsnovo>it is old or new?
13:22<babilen>!tell tsnovo -about testing
13:22<babilen>!tell tsnovo -about unstable
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13:22<heikkila>oh, didn't think it would say sid if you are using wheezy
13:22<babilen>tsnovo: If you could paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net we could tell you
13:22<jerryclunsford>Volley: all of wich work on my other squeeze amd64 machine.
13:23<ratnick>I went back to lenny
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13:23<ratnick>I know, offtopic
13:24<Volley>jerryclunsford: ok, that is ... huh ... hum ... no clue. did you have a look at the logfile what happens on plugging in?
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13:25<jerryclunsford>Volley: only the usb flash drives register anything else it's like it isn't plugged in, nothing there.
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13:27<eshat>any BTS admins here ?
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13:28<ratnick>squeeze ran well for me
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13:28<jerryclunsford>Volley: lsusb only shows the usb ports unless there is a flash drive plugged then it shows the flash drive anything other than a flash drive just shows the ports. I only have one port so have not tried both at drive and device at same time.
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13:32<Volley>jerryclunsford: i think i can't help here, i suspect a hardware issue unless things work in "some other os" ... i remember a old pc with similar issues, but that was hardware then. no clue here ...
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13:32<jerryclunsford>Volley: Thanks for the time and input.
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13:33<emmetea>hmmm... i attached my roommates sony mp3 player (walkman) and although it says tit is 7G, all the files say things like "size of file 4M, size on disc 12M" what is that supposed to mean? is the player infected with something?
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13:35<project2501a>is there a debian-med channel?
13:36<heikkila>#debian-med: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
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13:43<damien>hello world !
13:43<heikkila>hi
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13:44<project2501a>oh, god. i am going to puke
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13:44<emmetea>morning sickness?
13:44<heikkila>is it debian related?
13:45<project2501a>i wish. bioinformatics
13:45<project2501a>heikkila: yes.
13:45<project2501a>it is.
13:45<heikkila>:(
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14:03<juser>Is there any (good) reason why /var/log/syslog doesn't use ISO 8601 like timestamps? ISO 8601 formats make more sense to me personally.
14:06<juser>hmm.. looks like rsyslogd supports 8601 timestamps
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14:10<juser>seems like debian rsyslogd supports RFC 3339 according to manual. good.
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14:16<juser>excellent. it was easily changed in the config file \o/
14:16<juser>:)
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14:28<emmetea>hmmm... i attached my roommates sony mp3 player (walkman) and although it says tit is 7G, all the files say things like "size of file 4M, size on disc 12M" what is that supposed to mean? is the player infected with something?
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14:33<damiano>is it any possible to build Stardict 3.0.1?
14:33<damiano>from sources?
14:34<babilen>damiano: What are you trying to achieve?
14:34<rss>damiano, the short answer is yes.
14:34*babilen seconds that
14:35<damiano>i'm trying to FIX it.
14:35<babilen>!tell damiano -about package recompile
14:35<damiano>there's a glitch for google translation
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14:35<damiano>i've corrected it in stardict.cpp
14:35<damiano>the way it was told somewhere.
14:35<damiano>you know... "yes" means technically, but practically?
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14:35<damiano>because i've tried already, and it just doesn't like shit.. everytime it's either dependency or error.
14:36<damiano>i gave em all he wanted. Still no success. I quit.
14:36<damiano>any suggestions?
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14:36<damiano>well.. i had to skip gucharmap
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14:36<rss>damiano, dl the debian source package. unpack it fix the the files. compile the debian way and install with dpkg
14:36<damiano>i can't find a newer version for it.
14:36<damiano>hm..
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14:36<babilen>damiano: That depends on the build system they use -- *I* would create a patch for the Debian package (hopefully quilt), report the bug and report it together with the patch. The package coule be compiled with, for example, dpkg-buildpackage
14:37<damiano>i used ./configure
14:37<damiano>then make
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14:37<babilen>Yeah, that probably works as well -- I would make sure to install it to /usr/local though (./configure typically takes --target=/usr/local)
14:38<rss>damiano, you need to check where debian install the files and possibly ad a prefix to your configure command
14:38<damiano>erm... guys.. that's just too sophisticated.
14:38<babilen>No, please do not overwrite any files installed by the packaging system.
14:38<rss>damiano, what babilen says if it does not go there then make sure is does
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14:39<anbe>any ftp-master here? would a new *-ia32 [amd64] still be acceptable or is multiarch support ready enough so that this would be obsolete in a month? (just got a request for amd-libopencl1-ia32 and amd-opencl-icd-ia32, #650660)
14:39<rss>babilen, sorry, I was not thinking clearly
14:40<babilen>damiano: You typically run "./configure ; make ; make install" -- It is important *not* to overwrite files that have been installed by the system (i.e. dpkg/apt-get/aptitude/wajig/synaptic/...) -- The idea is to install it to /usr/local (/msg dpkg usrlocal) which is a part of the filesystem that is entirely under the control of the system administrator
14:40<damiano>listen.. i don't dig any of this... i mean i dunno what's right and what's wrong....
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14:41<rss>babilen, im removing my head from my a...hole now
14:41<babilen>damiano: Ok, just run "./configure --prefix=/usr/local ; make ; make install" and you should be fine. (note that I know nothing about stardict)
14:42<pumafyre>heh
14:42<damiano>that's mostly the case, you'd prefferably know what it is..
14:42<rss>damiano, babilen gave the correct instructions ./configure; make; make install
14:42<babilen>anbe: I'd take it to -mentors -- my guts say "maybe" -- a new -ia32 is IMHO not desirable.
14:42<damiano>cause i may not tell between stardict shit and build process you see? I dunno what it likes and dislikes and what actually gives the headache
14:43<damiano>why don't you try it?
14:43<damiano>i'll just fix one line there and send it to you.
14:43<babilen>damiano: It seems as if it is primarily us causing you to have a headache. ;) -- Try what? Stardict?
14:43<damiano>yep.
14:43<rss>damiano, I do not use stardict
14:44<damiano>well, i'd like you to BUILD it.... to see if it's actually possible.
14:44<damiano>and if you solve any issues i'd like to know what really caused those.
14:44<damiano>cause all those errors and stuff tell me nothing.
14:44<damiano>i mean i did exactly what you say.. ./configure.... make...
14:45<damiano>but then it still brings some weird error, and it's like different language to me.
14:45<babilen>damiano: I thought you build it *already* ? (./configure ; make) -- I would suggest to report the bug to Debian (reportbug stardict) and refer to the patch.
14:45<damiano>no, it didn't work out.
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14:45<babilen>damiano: Then lets fix that error -- I am not your personal buildbot, you have to work on it yourself.
14:45<rss>damiano, pastebin the output of ./configure and make
14:45<damiano>i mean it started building, but in the end it's just error error...
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14:45<damiano>damn...
14:46<babilen>damiano: Please paste the output and, in particular, the error.
14:46<damiano>listen.. first of all it wanted gucharmap which is missing... maybe it needs gucharmap7 and not 2.. i have no idea
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14:46<damiano>i used --disable-gucharmap
14:46<damiano>then it wanted something else, i downloaded those devs...
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14:47<damiano>i don't think the output will help you... it will just make this talk longer ;)
14:47<damiano>but anyway.. wait.
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14:47<babilen>damiano: Install the build-dependencies of stardict (aptitude -R build-dep stardict)
14:47<damiano>hm.. ok
14:47<damiano>that's a good idea.
14:47<damiano>at last, something relevant :)
14:48<damiano>well... same. Gucharmap is missing.
14:48<damiano>shall we... disable it?
14:48<damiano>let me just report it to you step by step.
14:48<rss>damiano, please use pastebin!
14:48<damiano>fine...
14:49<babilen>damiano: Well, we could have given you more relevant answers if your question would have been: "I am trying to compile stardict in order to fix bug $LINK_TO_DEBIAN_BTS by applying patch $LINK_TO_PATCH. When I compile it I get this $LINK_TO_PASTE_OF_ERROR error. What can I do?"
14:49<damiano>it's just tiresome to go there every time..
14:49<houms>can someone point me to how I can use squashfs-tools version 3 for creating 3.0 filesystems?
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14:49<damiano>http://pastebin.com/gPM73PWJ
14:50<damiano>there ya go.
14:50<babilen>damiano: Did you install the build dependencies?
14:50<damiano>sure.
14:50<damiano>i used your command.
14:50<damiano>it did install something. But apparently... no gucharmap amongst those.
14:51<damiano>see? That's what i mean, i just don't understand all this. So whatever i do it never ceases to be confusing.
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14:52<rss>damiano, your pastebin says to disable it. as suggested. what is the output of ./configure after that and possibly make?
14:52<damiano>it asks for another library :)
14:52<rss>which one?
14:52<damiano>for several more, which i've installed.
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14:52<damiano>i can't remember now, cause i've installed those and it wouldn't ask for those anymore.
14:52<damiano>see? That's what i mean.
14:53<rss>did you install the <lib>-dev package as well?
14:53<damiano>dunno.. what's that?
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14:53<babilen>damiano: It is not confusing -- Actually the error message was highly informative. You can build without gucharmap support by giving the "--disable-gucharmap" option to ./configure -- If you don't want this you obviously have to install some gucharmap development library. Lets see which that is.
14:53<damiano>sure, that's what i did :)
14:53<damiano>but that's not the end of the problems :)9
14:53<babilen>damiano: Could you link me to the bug in Debian's bug tracker about your problem in the meanwhile?
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14:54<damiano>erm.....
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14:55<rss>damiand, what is the output of ./configure --disable-gucharmap
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14:56<babilen>damiano: fwiw, the Debian package is compile with "--disable-gucharmap" -- You can see the complete set of options in debian/rules after you've done "apt-get source stardict"
14:56<damiano>listen.. ok... i'll just do it again
14:57<babilen>damiano: Please link me to the bug report and the proposed fix.
14:57<rss>damiano, use the "--disable-gucharmap" option
14:58<babilen>rss: The package uses http://paste.debian.net/147740/
14:58*babilen waits for the link to the BTS
14:58<damiano>http://pastebin.com/X3SSJGR6
14:59<damiano>ok. Here gucharmap is disabled.
14:59<damiano>listen man.. sorry, but i have no damn idea what you mean by bug report.
14:59<damiano>oh...
14:59<damiano>you mean the line..
14:59<damiano>sorry..
14:59<damiano>sure.
14:59<damiano>hang on.
14:59<damiano>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/stardict/+bug/394202
14:59<damiano>here.
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15:00<damiano>it's ubuntu bug thing, but it doesn't matter. I've seen this fix somewhere else.
15:00<damiano>i haven't seen the same for Debian.
15:00<rss>damiano, did you see the the --disable options? those are needed to compile. use all of the separated by spaces i.e. "--disable-gnucharmap --disable-<other>. add the --disable one by one until ./configure does not output an error.
15:00<damiano>rss, i disabled it man.
15:01<damiano>rss, it doesn't need the rest now, check the pastebin
15:01<damiano>rss, it's done, you see?
15:01<damiano>rss, i can do make now, but i'm just waiting till you all look it up to get the rest done, and i know after i do "make" there will be some error.
15:02<ghost34662>Help...im trying to reload and update my repositories but i get the following error..Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]
15:02<ghost34662>Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
15:02<damiano>the thing is.. i could've disabled the rest of the things it required.. but i actually downloaded some devs for those, and it doesn't ask for them anymore.
15:02<damiano>you understand?
15:02<rss>damiano, then without an error from ./configure you should be able to "make" without errors. if make still has errors we need the output of make in a pastebin
15:02<damiano>ok!
15:02<damiano>on my way.
15:03<damiano>http://pastebin.com/3KdVfe7W
15:03<damiano>there ya go.
15:04<damiano>any sense? :)
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15:07<rss>damiano, the output of your make command make it clear for me. The output is from your c++ compiler and is is missing the namespace std:: That means that the source package assumes that if no namespace in declared the the namespace std:: in automatically used. which g++ version do you have installed
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15:09<damiano>i don't know.
15:10<damiano>i never installed any g++ versions.
15:10<rss>damiano, g++ --version
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15:10<damiano>ok
15:11<damiano>g++ (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
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15:12<damiano>hang on.
15:12<damiano>i think i'll try to build Stardict 3.0.3 instead...
15:14<rss>damiano, do your cpp files have a "using namespace std;" line somewhere at the beginning?
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15:15<rss>damiano, you could find that by "grep -r using\ namespace\ std *" in your stardict src directory.
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15:17<damiano>listen... i quit. F..ck this shit. But thank you very much. Help has been appreciated.
15:17<ghost34662>thanks for the help @ssh0les i fixed it myself
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15:18<damiano>hah... funny.
15:18<rss>damiano, the nature of your error is c++ related.
15:18<damiano>listen.. i just tried building stardict 3.0.3....
15:18<damiano>and it said it can't find mysql.h
15:19<damiano>everytime it's something new... so...
15:19<damiano>whatever people.
15:19<damiano>i can't take it anymore.
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15:20<damiano>this operation is not for simple mortals.
15:20<rss>damiano, that means that the source for stardict you have is assuming a default of namespace std and your compiles needs it to be explicit. your suggestion of using a later stardict has much merit. it could actually have correct cpp files.
15:20<damiano>yeah... as well as anything else.
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15:21<luizschmitt>sney, problem solved.. sony vaio vgn-z!
15:21<rss>damiano, it is not for the faint of heart and the casual user to correct. mostly developers fix this kind of breakage upstream. The later version of stardict that you suggested might have corrected the problem. so trying that might give you good results
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15:22<damiano>yeah, but it doesn't want to get build either.
15:22<damiano>so.. bummer.
15:22<damiano>i'm just tired of it. Too many exceptions, and it requires some programming knowledge as well.
15:23<damiano>i don't have such and i know no shit about C++ and stuff like that.
15:23<rss>damiano, ok do you get the same <function> missing errors?
15:23<damiano>no
15:23<damiano>it says msql.h is missinh.
15:23<damiano>that's for Stardict 3.0.3
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15:23<anbe>I just tried rebuilding stardict_3.0.1-9.1_amd64 in a clean sid environment - worked fine without errors
15:23<damiano>which again tells me nothing.
15:23<damiano>anbe, congrats.
15:23<damiano>anbe, did you fix the line?
15:24<damiano>anbe, in stardict.cpp?
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15:34<rss>anbe, wow long list of logons? ive never seen that before. what just happened
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15:35<rss>anbe, please feel free to help damiano further.
15:35<rss>anbe, i have never heard of the "rebuild-in-sid"script
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15:41<anbe>!netsplit
15:41<dpkg>A netsplit is a deliberate disconnection between at least two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it is preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated).
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15:50<jhutchins>rss: Most decent irc clients will hide join/part messages. You occasionally end up talking to someone who's gone, but it makes the busy channels much more readable.
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15:54<rss>jhutchins, I just encountered my first netsplit. I use xchat myself. My current config shows the join quit. A huge list of quits and then a huge list of joins is just as useless as hiding the the quit / joins. I would prefer a client that gave me individual joins and quits and on a netsplit say possible split
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15:55<rss>jhutchins, in the last you would at least be aware that the conversation was split.
15:55<boba>Some clients do that, such as irssi I believe
15:57<rss>boba, is irssi text or gui based?
15:57<boba>Text.
15:58<boba>I am not familiar with xchat but I'm sure suppressing netsplit vomit is possible thru a script and maybe someone's written one.
15:58<rss>boba, that means no point and click to switch channels. is irssi difficult to use?
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15:59<rss>boba, netsplit vomit nice term. I'll take this to debian-offtopic. thanks
16:00<boba>I don't consider irssi difficult to use but... my sense of difficult may differ from yours
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16:03<rss>boba, very familiar with terminals and commandline myself but new to irc. I like a gui client at this time. Is the irssi leaning curve steep?
16:04<rss>boba regarding difficult manually editing an inode with a magnet qualifies :)
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16:04<boba>Ha. It is considered steeper than most
16:04<rss>boba, the inode or irssi?
16:06<boba>irssi
16:06<matt_>anyone know if you can boot this on a Macbook 2006? and even if it wasn't installed with the hdd in the mac?
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16:07<Nameeater>rss: the learning curve to irssi is well worth it, the only thing I would recommend is grabbing a script called adv_windowlist.pl if you do
16:07<rss>boba, the inode is easier? Maybe I should try irssi then. I like a challenge. :)
16:08<rss>Nameeater, thanks for the tip. I think I'll give it a whirl
16:09<rss>boba, Nameeater any good howto irssi around?
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16:17<boba>rss: This one is pretty decent http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi
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16:25<anbe>damiano, rss, I have no clue what stardict is (and I don't want to change that, otherwise I could start with apt-cache show stardict), I did a plain compile test with the result: stardict (as found in sid) compiles without problems in a defined build environment (minimal up-to-date sid), so it should be possible to build a patched stardict package without running into library incompatibility, c++ errors, ... (at least using *that* ve
16:25<anbe>rsion in *that* environment)
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16:26<damiano>anbe, forget it. Thanks.
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16:28<anbe>rss, babilen, my rebuild-in-sid script is nothing more than a wrapper around mktemp -d, apt-get source, and calling one of my pbuilder wrapper scripts
16:29<babilen>anbe: ack, I guess I keep on using "DIST=??? cowbuilder"
16:31<blawiz>what does "main" in the source-list mean? and if i use "testing" do i autoupgrade to new distros then(wheezy etc)? and does the kernel get auto-updated like in ubuntu?
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16:31<EmleyMoor>"main" means "free software that does not depend on non-free"
16:32<blawiz>ok, i have main, non-free etc :)
16:33<EmleyMoor>blawiz: You can follow testing, and you will always then be on whatever is testing at any given time - currently wheezy.
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16:34<blawiz>ahh cool, i understand ubuntu is not like that. do not get new versons off apps before you upgrade to a new distro :S
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16:34<EmleyMoor>blawiz: Rather like stable
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16:35<blawiz>ill go for testing then.. i like that the system updates without need for reinstall
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16:36<EmleyMoor>#debian-next is more appropriate if using testing...
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16:39<blawiz>you dont use testing? to unstable?
16:39<EmleyMoor>I'm on stable on all "real" machines
16:40<EmleyMoor>(though with a handful of backports on two of them)
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16:41<blawiz>i used debian some years ago, but migrated to ubuntu. Think ill try debian again now..
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16:41<blawiz>but it will eat a lot of time!
16:41<blawiz>setting up a new system allways take time :/
16:41<EmleyMoor>I found Debian time consuming to set up biut rewarding once done.
16:41<blawiz>sooo much to config
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16:42<blawiz>thats what im hoping :)
16:42<EmleyMoor>OTOH it's better than some systems I have set up
16:42<blawiz>OTOH?
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16:43<EmleyMoor>On the other hand
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16:55<chealer>does anything replace kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins (providing information specific to multimedia files in file managers)?
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17:11<cthuluh>meh
17:12<ompaul>sadvertiser
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17:18<shred805>is debian gonna use gnome 3 in the next release?
17:19<daemonkeeper>Yes
17:19<cthuluh>!gnome 3
17:19<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian testing and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html
17:20<shred805>man i guess there is no way around it, guess ill stick to squeeze
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17:22<daemonkeeper>That's ok. Squeeze will be supported until 2013 at least. That's well beyond the apocalypse.
17:22<tanox>hahahah
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17:22<shred805>squeeze is so solid
17:22<tanox>thats true
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17:25<cthuluh>btw I had fun with a squeeze install on a newish sandy bridge machine ; I had to use a backported kernel to make the wireless nic work, but then html5 decoding was freezing the machine ; so I installed the backported intel driver, and all went fine
17:26<cthuluh>it's nice to see that on newer hardware, backports help ; anyway... :)
17:26<shred805>yeah
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17:26<shred805>so should beable to backport to gnome 2 in wheezy
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17:26<shred805>so i *
17:26<shred805>?
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17:27<cthuluh>and that would be called a forwardport? :)
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17:27<shred805>not sure
17:28<cocolocko>hi @ all, how can i turn off X the GUI on Boot? Where i have to edit config? /etc/inittab ?
17:28<cthuluh>I don't know if running gnome 2 on wheezy will be possible ; read the mailing lists and the wiki
17:28<cthuluh>cocolocko: disable any login manager
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17:28<shred805>/etc/init/gdm stop
17:28<shred805>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
17:28<shred805>the second one
17:28<cthuluh>update-rc.d gdm3 remove, rather
17:28<shred805>:]
17:28<cocolocko>i dont wat to remove it
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17:29<cthuluh>update-rc.d won't remove it, just disable it until you re-enable it
17:29<cocolocko>i only want that it starts without it
17:29<shred805>just kill kdm
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17:29<shred805>or gdm
17:29<cthuluh>!nodm
17:29<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/).
17:29<cocolocko>and when i need it i want to start gnome with startx
17:30<shred805>/etc/init.d/gdm start
17:30<shred805>then that
17:30<shred805>are you installing a nvidia driver or something?
17:30<cocolocko>no
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17:47<juser>cocolocko: if you don't want to remove the graphical login manager, but disable it from starting, I myself personally have always moved the script in /etc/rc2.d/ (or whatever runlevel it is for) from S* to K* for the login manager...
17:47<juser>not sure if it is the best way
17:47<juser>but works for me
17:47<cocolocko>thank you cthuluh
17:47<cocolocko>i used update-rc.d gdm3 remove
17:48<cocolocko>this works fine
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17:52<juser>is there any file in /var/log/ that needs to be u+r? I'd like them all to be mode 600
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17:59<cthuluh>juser: most of them belong to root:adm and are 640, so I don't think that would be useful ; adding yourself to the adm group means you can read logs without the need for being root
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18:32<metaspike>I have a laptop and tower/pc. I want to activate the tower remotely with wake-on lan, login securely and access its resources whenever its needed. graphical login would be nice. with what do I begin? anyone have a guide or specific method they can reccomend? thanks.
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18:32<troll>hey how about to FINALLY UNBAN MY IP??????!!!
18:33<cthuluh>*plonk*
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18:33<cthuluh>metaspike: start with wake-on-lan, the wiki has hints about that
18:33<troll>hey how about to FINALLY UNBAN MY IP??????!!!
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18:34<troll>i just guess you did not read the first one...
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18:36<troll>yes guys you ban me while i need ur help but im the lamer here -.-
18:36<metaspike>is that you phillip?!
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18:37<troll>metaspike yes its me philipp
18:38<troll>metaspike i got a good idea! why dont you guys UNBAN MY ****** IP ><
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18:40<troll>just unban it so we all can enjoy a nice pink cup of camomile tea
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18:41<metaspike>troll, read this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines, and if you accept the rules and respect them, send your banned IP to debian-user@lists.debian.org (someone correct me if im wrong) and state that you will resoect the rules in future. in all my years here, nobodies been banned without reason so just think about it.
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18:41<KillaByte>Does anyone know the command to start minecraft server in terminal?
18:41<KillaByte>from terminal
18:41<KillaByte>*
18:41<shred805>what is minecraft
18:41<cthuluh>java -jar foo.jar, I guess
18:41<shred805>what do you do in that game
18:41<KillaByte>a game
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18:42<shred805>you build stuff with blocks?
18:42<KillaByte>dig build waste time lol
18:42<KillaByte>yeah
18:42<troll>metaspike ye i cold do that but i think its much more easy to just tor in for the next fiew years
18:42<shred805>cool
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18:42<KillaByte>im using crunchbang and have to enter it manually in the menu
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18:44<shred805>KillaByte: is the newest version 1.7.3?
18:44<cthuluh>KillaByte: remember to ask #crunchbang at freenode, next time ;)
18:44<KillaByte>yeah
18:45<troll>minecraft is a java based mmorpg
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18:45<KillaByte>1.7.3
18:45<shred805>its only 44 MB?
18:46<shred805>or 4Mb
18:46<troll>KillaByte you have tried to do http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server
18:46<KillaByte>very small install
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18:49<troll>okey guys he has not responded since i posted that link... how do i have to behave? patient?
18:50<Black_Prince>Read the rules ...
18:51<babilen>troll: Knock it off - You can /msg me or join #debian-ops if you want to discuss this. Please also *do not* evade bans.
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19:02<Samkov>i am having trouble getting my asus bluetooth dongle working on squeeze amd64, this was the only guide I could find but the git link no longer works :/ http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=67430
19:02<Samkov>anyone have any ideas?
19:03-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
19:03-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@chello084113015143.2.12.vie.surfer.at] by babilen
19:03-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by ChanServ
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19:19<juser>cthuluh: but there is no need for anything in /var/log/ to be world readable?
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19:21<cthuluh>*shrug* ; up to you to decide
19:21<cthuluh>I don't think changing the present state will improve anything
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19:23*juser nods
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19:26<nieves>hola
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19:27<babilen>cthuluh: It will prevent other members of adm to read logs. I wouldn't call that an improvement though :)
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19:27<nieves>que es esto
19:27<babilen>!es
19:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:28<cthuluh>babilen: I think I didn't get it 8)
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20:09<Acidcorp>Hi, is possible set column on screen before hardcopy in ssh
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20:13<cthuluh>Acidcorp: I suspect you want #screen, on freenode
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20:50<troll>someone know a great game for linux?
20:51<nevyn>bzflag remains fun. freeciv battle for wesnoth
20:53<nike>troll: If you like adventure gaming, check out the compatability list of ScummVM
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20:53<nike>ScummVM is GPL licensed software that needs game data (most games are still copyrighted, but a couple like Beneath a Steel Sky and Flight of the Amazon Queen have been put in public domain which is why they are in Debian's package repositories).
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20:54<nike>Or any of id Software's first person shooters (except the newest, Rage) are native on GNU+Linux and are GPL licensed also.
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20:57<MrFrood>troll, nike: If you like adventure gaming http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/frotz
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20:58<nike>MrFrood: I've never felt as immersed with text based adventure games as I have when there is music, sound, and graphics involved.
20:58<nike>Although I do respect the medium.
20:58<nevyn>metal blob solid
20:58<heikkila>nike, text adventures run on the best graphics ever, your imagination :)
20:59<nevyn>I had a bunch of fun with globulation2
20:59<nevyn>which is a RTS
20:59*MrFrood also recomends Empire
21:00<nevyn>if you don't object to proprietary software there's also the indie bundles
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21:15<jerome>hello
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21:16<JoeKickass>hi jerome
21:16<nevyn>hello jerome
21:16<jerome>hey joe
21:17<jerome>hi nevyn
21:17<JoeKickass>how's Debian workin' for ya?
21:17<jerome>first time
21:17<jerome>seems ok
21:18<JoeKickass>it's (almost) all I use
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21:19<jerome>cool
21:19<JoeKickass>I have a armv7l box with Angstrom linux. I'd like to debianize it:)
21:20<jerome>new to UBUNTU
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21:20<JoeKickass>ubuntu suxz and is not used or supported by us
21:20<kop>jerome: Ah. This channel for for debian support. You want the ubuntu channel.
21:20<kop>!ubuntu
21:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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21:21<jerome>okay
21:21<kop>JoeKickass: Ubuntu probably is the right choice for some folks. Dunno, haven't look in a long time.
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21:22<JoeKickass>true true, I shouldn't bash it... they have put some work into it, shining it up
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21:23<Guest18997>hello ?
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21:23<kop>Guest18997: Hello. If you have a question ask.
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21:25<robbiethe1st>Hm... What would cause a debian install to hang with a blinking cursor on boot? With recovery mode enabled, it gets 9.22 seconds into the boot process, and then hangs(even alt+sysrq+r-e-i-s-u-b doesn't do anything)...
21:25<Guest18997>ok i have a box that has 3 nics configured acting as a router/firewall gateway 1 nic for internal dns 2 nics one for the inbound network and 1 for outbound network i have been trying every configuration i can come up with in ip route command i can't ping across the 2 nics i have a route problem getting net destination unreachable .
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21:27<Guest18997>I have no idea what to do at this point 2 days into it with this problem.
21:28<hannibal>hi, every one!
21:28<Guest18997>hi.
21:28<kop>Guest18997: Have you enabled forwarding?
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21:28<Guest18997>yah i have iptables set to accept on forwarding
21:29<Guest18997>but i don't think i am at iptables yet i am still having basic routing issues
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21:29<kop>Guest18997: You need to have the kernel forward packets. (FWIW, I prefer using ferm rather than raw iptables. YMMV.)
21:30<kop>Guest18997: Turn it on in /etc/sysctl.conf What you really should do is read the reference manual at debian.org. It probably has a section.
21:30<JoeKickass>Guest18997: what is the content of the "file" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ?
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21:30<Guest18997>one sec
21:31<JoeKickass>(it needs to be "1" to enable IP4 forwarding in the kernel)
21:31<Guest18997>lol its 0
21:31<JoeKickass>you can echo 1 into it or do what kop said
21:31<hannibal>I want talk to you, but my English not good.
21:32<JoeKickass>hannibal: there are alternate channels for other languages
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21:32<kop>hannibal: Well, just try. Or we can refer you to a channel for your language.
21:32<Guest18997>please clarify that file is attributed to iptables for kernel forwarding
21:32<JoeKickass>!en
21:32<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
21:32<JoeKickass>Guest18997: that file is not related to iptables
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21:33<JoeKickass>it simply tells the kernel to "forward along" packets that are not addressed to the localhost
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21:33<hannibal>Thank you very much!
21:33<Guest18997>part of debian os then ?
21:33<JoeKickass>part of the kernel
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21:35<JoeKickass>Guest18997: you may read more about the /proc system online if you want. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procfs
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21:36<Guest18997>yah thats what kp mentioned i will look into it thanks kop and joekickass so i just nano set ip_forward to 1 that will enable it will it survive reboot or will i need to read up on it in the /proc system
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21:37<JoeKickass>echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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21:37<JoeKickass>I don't think nano is the best bet
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21:38<JoeKickass>also this will *not* be saved upon reboot!
21:38<JoeKickass>you'd want to do what kop said or do that echo ^ during startup
21:38<Guest18997>got you thanks
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21:40<JoeKickass>Guest18997: generally to be a router you need 1) dhcp 2) that file to say 1 3) iptables -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
21:40<JoeKickass>where eth1 is your public interface
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21:41<Guest18997>right the iptables command will mimic a nat situation i am assuming
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21:42<JoeKickass>sorry missed one part
21:42<JoeKickass>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
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21:42<JoeKickass>thanks for reminding me ;)
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21:43<Guest18997>:) thanks for your help i am going to try this again with the 1 enabled i feel like a DA
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21:44<Guest18997>i read for 2 days and just couldn't get it and i know i read over that file you guys are telling me to read and just didn't get it at the time either didn't really know the logistics of it until you explained it to me
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21:44<JoeKickass>np. Good luck :)
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21:48<scraze>did this come through? "03:38 <scraze_> also read up on sysctl, settings like this can be saved in /etc/sysctl.conf"
21:49<JoeKickass>scraze: I don't think so! But kop mentioned sysctl.conf
21:49<scraze>ah, not according to the channel logs but kop mentioned it anyway. nevermind :]
21:49<scraze>thanks JoeKickass :]
21:49*JoeKickass is aka retrospectacus
21:50<JoeKickass>and no problem :)
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21:50<scraze>had noticed you swapping names once but thanks for the reminder, I wasn't too sure ;]
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21:53<Guest18997>scraze : thanks will keep that in mind need to read over this stuff again to get you guys just opened up a whole world for me on this kernel config stuff.
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22:05<Guest18997>since i have some good people around i was wondering if you guys can explain something that is bothering me i like tight ships this question might sound stupid but hopefully you would know or point me another direction.
22:06<Guest18997>when i create a script and put bash commands in the script ,but when i run a perl -c on the file i get errors i am assuming cause it is just checking the syntax of the file is there another type of checker that does both.
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22:09<Guest18997>i just read what i posted that sounded wierd i mean is there a command or program that when i write scripts it can scan through the script and determine if any bash and perl commands have errors prior to execution simultaneously.
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22:14<Grecoo>hi
22:14<sney>hi
22:15<Grecoo>my english isnt the best, so well..
22:15<Grecoo>the problem is
22:15<Grecoo>im having problems with the bedian testing instalation
22:15<Grecoo>i have the .iso
22:16<scraze>Guest18997: you can use bash -n file to check for simple syntax errors (as well as any editor with syntax highlighting & such) - it won't however check whether the commands in the script exist or not
22:16<sney>Grecoo: the testing installer is not very good yet. Use the stable installer, and then upgrade.
22:17<Grecoo>oh, thanks
22:17<Grecoo>the problem is the graphical mode
22:18<Guest18997>bash -n will also check the perl stuff as well for syntax errors ?
22:18<Grecoo>but how can i upgrade the stable to the testing version?
22:18<sney>Grecoo: if you don't know how to do that, you shouldn't use testing. it's very unpredictable right now.
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22:21<scraze>Guest18997: no, bash -n really only checks for the syntax, not the content .. you could though check the script return value after execution, in the var $? - on success it will be 0, otherwise an integer signifying a type of error
22:21<scraze>for example, if the bash script contains a command that cannot be found, $? will be 127
22:22<Grecoo>so i should install testing without the graphic mode
22:23<Grecoo>well, i'll se what im going to do
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22:23<Guest18997>scraze : ok i will try that thank you.
22:23<Grecoo>maybe i'll try with mint debian
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22:28<mattcen_>Hi all, I'm running Debian Wheezy with a reasonably minimal X11 install (I don't have any of the DEs installed; I'm using Fluxbox and a few hand-picked X11 apps), and am trying to enable mouse-keys.
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22:29<mattcen>Usually I'd do this with shift+numlock, which in this case appears to be doing nothing. Anybody have any ideas?
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23:05<jyre>hello folks
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23:14<blawiz>what is the default xorg driver for nvidia-cards? after a clean debian 6.0 install i got ok graphic, but i messed up the xorg.conf...
23:14<blawiz>ive tried vesa, nv
23:14<blawiz>also nvidia, but havent gotten it to work yet
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23:17<heikkila>blawiz, the default should be nouveau, and you should not need a xorg.conf with nouveau. You can ask dpkg about more: /msg dpkg nouveau
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23:17<zykotick9>blawiz, "nouveau" i imagine, but that doesn't typically require an xorg.conf (fyi, you could try running without an xorg.conf and .... great minds
23:17<simonlnu>nouveau, nv, nvidia. nouveau is Free and intended to replace nvidia, nv is also free but doesn't do accel, hw opengl. nvidia is the non-free one from nvidia
23:17<chealer>blawiz: X server doesn't really have a default driver for nvidia cards. the way to see which driver is in use is to check X logs.
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23:18<simonlnu>def. no default ;)
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23:20<blawiz>nouveau not with capital N? i tried with N, and startx woulnt start..
23:20<blawiz>ok ill try deleting the xorg.conf
23:20<blawiz>:)
23:20<blawiz>have to leave to try!
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23:21<simonlnu>it's based on the file name, so no, no caps
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23:28<zykotick9>simonlnu, regarding nv, i was under the impression it's deprecated/but still working do you happen to know if that's correct?
23:29<simonlnu>well, afair it's that, and they're concentrating on nouveau, but nv still gets bug fixes, etc. (still maintained)
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