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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-02

---Logopened Fri Dec 02 00:00:20 2011
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00:46<olympionex>I am trying to perform a network install of 5.0.3 using a usb flash drive boot disk that I made from the netinst cd image. All of the boot options I have tried have taken me to an installation mode that requires installing from the CD-ROM. The installation environment allows me to configure my network (although it apparently has no drivers, had to copy them over). Any ideas how I get to the actual network installer?
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01:12<Guest19010>Is there a command to know the current desktop environment I’m using?
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01:15<mjrosenb>Guest19010: ps aux?
01:15<jm_>try update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
01:16<Guest19010>mjrosenb, something better?
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01:25<setzer>hi
01:25<setzer>bye
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04:00<unc0nnected>Hey guys, just made the switch from Ubuntu to Debian and while everything has been stellar up until this point Debian has decided to stop playing nice.. I am experiencing complete system lock every couple of minutes. completely unresponsive system that forces me to power down and power up
04:00<unc0nnected>I can't see any logs recording what is happening so I have no idea how to trouble shoot this
04:00<unc0nnected>Can smoeone help me? thanks
04:01<jm_>tried installing a newer the kernel first?
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04:03<unc0nnected>hmm, I thought I was up to date :()
04:03<unc0nnected>:)
04:03<unc0nnected>lemme check
04:03<unc0nnected>2.6.32-5
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04:09<jm_>!bdo kernel
04:09<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
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04:10<unc0nnected>so that's my best bet you think? Upgrade to hte latest possible kernel via backports?
04:11<jm_>I think it's worth trying first
04:11<unc0nnected>Funny enough this has happened both times while I was logged into hsbc.ca via chrome
04:11<unc0nnected>last time I unplugged my usb mouse and the system went from being completely locked to rebooting
04:11<jm_>did you check what keyboard LED-s show when this happens?
04:12<unc0nnected>I'm on a laptop with no keyboard leds
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04:13<jm_>try pinging it from another system when it happens
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04:16<unc0nnected>ok, next time it freeze I'll definitely give that a go.
04:16<unc0nnected>upgrading my kernel now
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04:16<unc0nnected>thanks for yuor help tonight jm)
04:16<unc0nnected>jm_
04:16<jm_>no worries
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04:19<unc0nnected>and we're off!
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04:20<Yogg>hello everybody.
04:20<unc0nnected>Yogg!! So good to see you man, long time!
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04:21<Yogg>I have just one dumb question : is it possible to install a previous version of some package with apt ? i mean, are the older sources held in the repositories ?
04:21<Yogg>Yeah unc0nnected, you must have a boring life.
04:21<jm_>Yogg: yes
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04:22<unc0nnected>Yogg: Define boring
04:22<Yogg>thanks. ok. i suppose there is some special flag ?
04:22<jm_>!sdo
04:22<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
04:22<Yogg>(Being a process)
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04:22<blaster>hello
04:22<Yogg>Ok, i'm gonna check it out :) Thank you jm_
04:22<blaster>my openvas is error
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04:23<blaster>can you help me solution sir
04:23<blaster>this eror for log
04:23<blaster>Checking OpenVAS Manager database (NVT data) ...
04:23<blaster> ERROR: The number of NVTs in the OpenVAS Manager database is too low.
04:23<blaster> FIX: Make sure OpenVAS Scanner is running with an up-to-date NVT collection and run 'openvasmd --rebuild'.
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04:24<blaster>is there someone who can help me
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04:29<wgbnu>hello
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04:29<blaster>hello
04:29<wgbnu>this is my first time for xchat,
04:29<wgbnu>it's funny
04:30<blaster>ohh
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04:30<blaster>why?
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04:30<blaster>it's funny
04:30<wgbnu>I didn't use this one chat
04:30<wgbnu>hehe
04:30<blaster>what anything funny about xchat
04:31<wgbnu>simple
04:31<blaster>hahahhaha
04:31<blaster>dinamic aplication
04:31<wgbnu>and maybe anything for me is fresh
04:31<blaster>I also really liked it
04:31<blaster>^.^
04:32<blaster>do you have a facebook account
04:32<blaster>?
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04:32<wgbnu>sorry, I don't have
04:32<blaster>hahahhahaha lol
04:33<blaster>you steal jokes
04:33<wgbnu>there are some many people from different countty
04:33<wgbnu>?
04:33<wgbnu>what?
04:33<wgbnu>sorry, what means steal jokes
04:34<wgbnu>my English is not good
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04:34<blaster>you come from country where
04:34<wgbnu>China
04:35<wgbnu>hh
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04:35<blaster>ouuu
04:35<blaster>china
04:35<blaster>good
04:35<blaster>^.^
04:35<blaster>im from indonesia
04:35<wgbnu>oh
04:36<wgbnu>good place
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04:36<wgbnu>I haven't been to there
04:36<Yogg>I find this snapshot repository interesting, everything's there. But is there a way to get a package from snapshot installed via apt-get ?
04:37<grove>!offtopic
04:37<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
04:37<blaster>for source.list
04:38<blaster>update repositori from /etc/apt/source.list
04:38<wgbnu>I know, I'm sorry for my topic
04:38<Yogg>yeah i've put the repositories into this file, normal, but then i guess there must be some --option or -flag to choose the exact package i want
04:38<blaster>hmm
04:38<jm_>Yogg: in general apt* install foo=ver
04:39<blaster>ohhh im sory
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04:39<Yogg>i can download it, compile it manually, but i'm looking for an end user procedure, so let's take the ./configure and stuff out
04:39<Yogg>ok
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04:41<Yogg>ok i got it, thank you very much jm_
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04:43<blaster>sir Yogg i need solution in my problems instalation openvas in my system
04:43<blaster>can you help sir?
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04:44<Yogg>i'm sorry, i don't know your problem. what is a NVT in your case ?
04:44<jm_>Yogg: no worries
04:44<Yogg>(i can't take much time to help, i'm working now)
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04:45<blaster>this report for log
04:45<blaster>Checking OpenVAS Manager database (NVT data) ...
04:45<blaster> ERROR: The number of NVTs in the OpenVAS Manager database is too low.
04:45<blaster> FIX: Make sure OpenVAS Scanner is running with an up-to-date NVT collection and run 'openvasmd --rebuild'.
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04:47<blaster>is meant by NVT?
04:47<Yogg>i don't have time to look for you. you should know what you try to run
04:47<Yogg>so make some searches on the web, what is a nvt data. why is it too low ?
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04:52<blaster>ok thanks for the clue that you provide
04:52<blaster>I will look for information on the web first
04:52<blaster>this for example information
04:52<blaster>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754666
04:52<blaster>I'll try it first
04:53<blaster>thank sir Yogg
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04:54<Yogg>you're welcome :)
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05:33<project2501a>hey guys, i am trying to install from usb media. i downloaded the testing usb media installer. i get an error during instllation
05:33<project2501a>"no kernel modules found"
05:34<project2501a>any clues, please as to what i should search?
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05:39<Yogg>well, E: Version '1.3.8' for 'cups' was not found :( i have changed the timestamp in the repository url, i can see the package on snapshot, exactly this one, but apt doesn't find it
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05:40<Yogg>sorry for the trouble jm_ but do you have any idea..?
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06:14<jm_>Yogg: did you run apt-get update?
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06:21<Yogg>jm_: of course
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06:22<jm_>Yogg: then verify what apt-cache policy says for the package
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06:26<Yogg>he sees it locally with dpkg
06:26<Yogg>(i mean cups_1.3.8-13)
06:26<Yogg>but nothing on the snapshot rep
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06:31<Yogg>jm_: just one thing. at the end of the snapshot line in sources.list, which distro should I indicate ? etch or squeeze ? (i'm running squeeze but it was an etch package)
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06:32<jm_>Yogg: whichever mentions it in Packages.* file
06:33<Yogg>i'm having something root@debian:/home/pc# apt-get update
06:33<Yogg>Get:1 http://snapshot.debian.org etch Release.gpg [386 B]
06:34<Yogg>Ign http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20081011T000000Z/ etch/main Translation-en
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06:34<Yogg>if he ignores it then it won't work.. well let's find out
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06:37<opalepatrick>babilen, just a quick question... do you know when the packaged version of that nvidia firmware is becoming available. The one you sorted works fine, but has a couple of snaggles... so curious?
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06:38<babilen>opalepatrick: You mean the driver, don't you? AFAIK it has been uploaded to backports and should become available soon
06:38<opalepatrick>great - thanks a lot (yeah rubbish on terminology :-) )
06:40<babilen>no problem :)
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06:47<afuentes>is there any iceweasel with static libraries that i can download somewhere so i can have one modern browser without dependencies hell in some old installation?
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06:47<babilen>afuentes: What constitutes an old installation?
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06:48<afuentes>babilen, something older than, lets say, testing packages
06:48<afuentes>:)
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06:48<babilen>afuentes: Which version of Debian are you using?
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06:57<afuentes>stable
06:57<carlos>hi there
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06:58<afuentes>babilen, i know i can just include testing repositories and install the version there
06:58<babilen>afuentes: You can track different FF/IW development channels on http://mozilla.debian.net (you most likely want release)
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06:58<jm_>afuentes: no, but the one from mozilla.debian.net works with stuff from backports
06:58<afuentes>i just thought that maybe there was an static compilation somewhere
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06:59<jm_>no, I think only opera provided that in the past, but even they no longer do it
07:00<afuentes>:(
07:00<babilen>afuentes: Just use the packages from http://mozilla.debian.net or what is your problem with them?
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07:01<afuentes>it seems like an ideal solution, i dont need to keep up to date, i just need to install one modern version for debuggin some webs
07:01<afuentes>locally
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07:01<afuentes>and i was just a little curious why there is not static compilations
07:01<afuentes>since there must be a reason
07:02<afuentes>i fail to grasp
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07:18<user_2345>using openchageclient 0.11 and trying to connect to Exchange 2007 SP2 , after runnung mapiprofile --create --profile=real --username=myusername --password=pwd --domain=$O_VALUE_TAKEN_FROM_OWA_EXCHNAGE --realm=$O_VALUE_TAKEN_FROM_OWA_EXCHNAGE.LOCAL --address=$OWA_INTERNAL_IP in the end I get Deleting profile without any error , how can I get what actually went wrong (tried adding -d DEBUG but could not find any debug info)
07:18<user_2345>*debian sid
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07:27<syam>debian6
07:27<syam>debian6 help
07:27<anbe>!ask
07:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:28<oliva>hi there ... anybody knows a good reference site for iops benchmark for storage area network environment?
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07:32<syam>i have a problem with alsamixer.
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07:35<project2501a>what does one h ave to do to install wheezy without upgrading from squeeze?
07:35<gnugr>syam: what exactly prob you have, are all levels up?
07:36<gnugr>project2501a: burn a cd
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07:36<devil>project2501a: hope that d-i for wheezy is not broken atm
07:36<afuentes>project2501a, awesome name! take a look at this http://cut.debian.net/ im not sure the level of success they have right now, tho
07:36<syam>when i open chrome browser no player giving sound.
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07:37<gnugr>syam: is your sound button enabled?
07:37<syam>gnugr: yes.
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07:38<project2501a>devil: it looks like it is. i get an error loading the kernel modules
07:39<gnugr>syam:make sure you have alsa-base installed, flashplugin-nonfree as well
07:39<project2501a>apt-get install money
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07:41<gnugr>syam: do you have deb debian-multimedia in your sources.list?
07:42<project2501a>gnugr: "burn a cd" is not always a viable option
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07:42<project2501a>i got about 20 HP DL380 servers with no cd drive
07:42<project2501a>i still do not know how to do a netbooted netinstall.
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07:43<project2501a>usb installation is a saver
07:43<project2501a>not to mention 10 times faster than any cd installation
07:43<gnugr>sure, but i've also failed to do it through .debs cos of pae kernel
07:44<gnugr>my PC hates pae kernel
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07:45<syam>gnugr:yes, i installed alsa-base and flsahplugin-nonfree.
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07:45<gnugr>syam: try with youtube if you can see/hear a clip
07:46<syam>gnugr:when browser starts,browser is giving sound but not player.
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07:47<gnugr>syam: do you have debian-mutlimedia in sources.list?
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07:48<syam>gnugr:yes.
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07:50<gnugr>syam:get also flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
07:50<babilen>syam: If you use pulseaudio you need something like http://paste.debian.net/147805/ in /etc/asound.conf
07:50<babilen>ah, dmm ... no idea
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07:51<gnugr>syam: and w32codecs
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07:54<syam>gnugr:/etc/asound.conf file is not there in my OS.
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08:05<nzt1000>server irc.corruptircd.com
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08:07<syam>debian6 help
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08:09<nzt1000>server irc.corruptirc.com
08:10<troll>hey
08:11<troll>anyone has a problem? i feel realy fit :)
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08:14<syam>debian6 help
08:14<jm_>!ask
08:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:15<syam>debian6 is not giving sound when browser open.
08:15<jm_>does it work if you close all other apps using sound device before starting the browser?
08:17<syam>yes
08:17<jm_>I had that with older versions of flash plugin, never bothered to track it down
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08:17<abrotman>using which WM/DE ?
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08:18<jm_>just icewm here - at that time my plan was to try PA but then the problem went away so now I don't have to do anything :)
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08:20<abrotman>i was asking him :)
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08:21<sercik>hello!
08:22<sercik>i ahave flash in firefox but not in epiphany..
08:22<sercik>why?
08:23<gnugr>syam: still no sound?
08:23<abrotman>sercik: flash is gtk2 .. epiphany is gtk3
08:23<abrotman>sercik: there are bugs in the BTS about that issue
08:24<syam>grugr:/etc/asound.conf is not there.
08:24<gnugr>syam: what dmesg says?
08:25*gnugr afk, lunch
08:25<sercik>but adobe flash don't work with epiphany?
08:26<sercik>i con't understand that flash is related to gtk?!?
08:27<syam>gnugr:it has given list of messages.
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08:28<abrotman>sercik: i just told you why
08:29<sercik>thanks abrotman i don't understand, but i'm not so good in linux... so the problem is mine.
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08:30<sercik>i don't know debian name.... iceape is like the old mozilla? and which is the name of firefox in debian?
08:31<Bushmills>!iceweasel
08:31<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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08:33<abrotman>sercik: gtk2 and gtk3 are not compaitible, so epiphany cannot load flash .. i said to look in the BTS
08:34<abrotman>sercik: bugs.debian.org/639798
08:35<sercik>ok! i installed iceweasel
08:35<sercik>and flash work
08:35<abrotman>because Iceweasel is also gtk2
08:35<sercik>can i remove firefox? iit seems that iceweasel have imported firefox profile....
08:36<Bushmills>sure
08:36<sercik> Bushmills thanks
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08:37<syam>debian6 help
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08:40<calisto>hi, I hace a problem with 1366x768 monitor resolution
08:40<devil>syam: please ask
08:41<calisto>gnome in squezze found 1360x768
08:41<calisto>and the samsung monitor support 1366x768
08:41<calisto>how correct this problem?
08:42<syam>devil: debian6 players is not giving sound.but when i play song from internet browsers are giving sound.
08:42<devil>syam: you asked that before. didnt get the right answers?
08:43<syam>devil:no.
08:44-!-mode/#debian [+l 509] by debhelper
08:44<devil>syam: are you using alsa or pulseaudio?
08:44<syam>devil:alsamixer
08:44<devil>that is just a mixer
08:45<devil>what kind of files are you trying to play?
08:45<syam>.mp3
08:46<devil>with what players?
08:46<syam>in my system alsa-base and pulseaudio both are installed.
08:46<syam>vlc player
08:46<devil>syam: bah
08:46<devil>well, sorry, i got to run
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08:47<abrotman>syam: what's your native language?
08:47<syam>telugu,india.
08:49<project2501a>why on earth do some usb sticks make your life so difficult to install the OS on them?
08:49<sercik>how can i have language selection in gdm?
08:49<sercik>i know that some usb stick can't boot
08:49<sercik>but i don't know why :)
08:51<syam>debian6 help
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08:56<sercik>when i do apt upgrade i have a really long list of packages that are indicated as "this packages will mantained at actual version" Why?
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08:56<syam>debian6 help
08:57<abrotman>syam: repeating that phrase wonb't help
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08:59<sercik>i don't understand wht in not possible to copy from vi editor
08:59<sercik>i never had this problem, when i select text with mouse appears the word :visuale
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09:00<sercik>and when i do middle click nothing is pasted
09:00<sercik>and i also can't use right click --> copy
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09:02<gnugr>project2501a: did you read this "http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 "
09:03<project2501a>gnugr: more than once.
09:03<project2501a>maybe i need to know how to do the same thing, but with grub, instead of syslinux. grub seems to be a lot more versatelite
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09:04<simonlnu>wow, dyslexia kicking in there big time
09:05<sercik>project2501a: this is really simple, search on internet
09:05<simonlnu>happens to me too
09:05<sercik>whit grub you cam also load the iso image
09:05<project2501a>sercik: i did. i ended up using unetbootin as i am pressed for time
09:05<sercik>unetbootin uses syslinux and extlinux not grub
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09:06<project2501a>sercik: indeed, i checked. but, it did the job. i can install now wheezy from a usb drive. as i said, kinda pressed for tiem.
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09:07<sercik>sure unetbootin is a great program
09:07<project2501a>no, it sucks
09:07<project2501a>it is a cop out
09:07<project2501a>you cannot run the "expert" menu now
09:07<troll>guys my computer is wasteing 50 mb memory for something and i cant find it! do i have a virus?
09:08<project2501a>yes, you do
09:09<gnugr>i got error with myspell-el-gr and failed,now i must wait till wheezy be released
09:09<simonlnu>troll: yup, and a really bad one too.
09:09<project2501a>gnugr: debian greek mailing list?
09:09<gnugr>yes
09:09<simonlnu>seriously....
09:10<gnugr>but htere are lots depends on it
09:10<simonlnu>at least it didn't spell wasting 'waisting'
09:10<gnugr>there*
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09:12<gnugr>i got wheezy up but couldn't get others software installed coz of myspell-el-gr depends
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09:27<alexandr>привет всем
09:27<alexandr>ауууууууу
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09:27<gnugr>!rs alexandr
09:28<gnugr>!ru alexandr
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09:28<gnugr>!ru
09:28<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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09:36<abrotman>i'm going to fix his connection ...
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10:10<trollface>is there a way to have installed the current debian blender version and one more recent (with new guy) at the same time?
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10:12<trollface>you dont understand the question? i want blender 2.49 and blender 3.x at the same time on my pc. possible?
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10:13<grove>trollface: Not using the package system. Whether it's possible to install another version manually in addition to the one from the debian package, requires more blender knowledge than I have
10:14<grove>s/$/ to answer/
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10:14<trollface>grove do you mean about dependencys ?
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10:14<nah>there is no package for wine in debian testing repo- should i download sid version or compile old one from sources?
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10:16<trollface>nah depends what you like more... i think it would be easyer to get the source
10:17<nah>hmm... and if i add squeeze repos to sources.list- will it work?
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10:17<devil>nah: wine in debian is old.
10:17<devil>nah: what do you need it for?
10:18<nah>just need few windows apps
10:19<devil>nah: i would check on winehq. but thsts not supported here
10:19<qord>trollface: I don't have much experience with Blender, but it seems to be distributed as a .tar.bz2 from blender.org. So I think you can just unpack different versions in different directories...
10:21<Torsten_W>nah, i would suggest http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/
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10:23<babilen>!tell trollface -about usrlocal
10:23<babilen>!tell trollface -about stow
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10:24<babilen>trollface: Just compile/install it locally -- You can't have two versions from Debian installed at the same time unless there are distinct packages for it. Compiling/installing blender locally also depends on the availability of its (build) dependencies
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10:26<babilen>trollface: Blender 3.* has not yet been packaged for Debian as well and I also don't find it on upstream's website.
10:26<babilen>(the latest release seems to be 2.60 which was released on October 24th 2011)
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10:28<babilen>trollface: Backporting 2.59 from sid also seems to involve backporting quite a number of dependencies (/msg judd checkbackport blender)
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10:33<CookAnEgg>Salut !
10:35<project2501a>avanti popolo!
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10:46<chms>anyone from debian here that deals with mirrors? You have a problem.
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10:47<jerzysmoker>shit you, chms
10:47<jerzysmoker>hahaha
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10:47<jerzysmoker>hello, idiot! :-)
10:48<chms>are you with debian jerzysmoker?
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10:48<chms>thank you
10:48<chms>I was serious
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10:49<chms>I cant stay, so I"ll just announce the problem
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10:49<chms>the mirror, mirror.kernel.org in the US (normally kernel.org is great) fails horribly with network installs
10:51<chms>this points to two issues. 1) mirror.kernel.org has issues and 2) the install doesnt deal with the issues. (Issues of missing files - or failure to transfer files)
10:51<chms>It wasnt until I changed to ftp.debian.org that the install succeeded.
10:52<chms>Since kernel .org has a good history (I think), I"m guessing they dont know they are failing as a mirror.
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10:52<chms>Just thought I would let you know - in a timely fashion - that there was an issue.
10:53<chms>thanks
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10:53<boba>kernel.org has had issues since they were breached a while back
10:53<boba>iirc
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10:53<chms>thanks boba
10:54<chms>it really is messed up. you might remove it from the list of mirrors while they are failing.
10:54<chms>thanks again - and (a joke ganneff, dont kick me) - death to jigdo. :)
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10:54<chms>bye
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10:55<gob_bluth>hi, i'm setting up a mysql server (debian squeeze) and copying over the raw data files from our debian lenny mysql server, i keep getting an error on startup though about log-bin.index not being found despite the fact that it's there
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11:01<damiano>hey.
11:01<damiano>my hdd space is being consumed by something....
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11:01<damiano>i just keep losing gig by gig... well so far it's only 100 by 100mb, but still.. it'll get further probably.
11:01<damiano>what is eating my space?
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11:03<sney>damiano: apt cache?
11:03<damiano>hmm
11:03<damiano>perhaps
11:03<damiano>what do i do with that?
11:04<sney>if you don't need the packages you've downloaded in the past, you can delete them with apt-get clean
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11:04<abrotman>damiano: look in /var/log/
11:05<damiano>ok
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11:05<damiano>well.. i'm there
11:05<damiano>so what?
11:06<damiano>this folder is 58mb
11:06<damiano>maybe it's Opera?
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11:07<kop>gob_bluth: Migrating database content is best done by database dump and restore, not copying raw os-level files.
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11:08<damiano>and yeah, i know about apt-get clean..
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11:08<kop>damiano: Use "du -sh *". Start at / if you have to and work your way down. (Better to start with "df -h" and start at the mountpoints.
11:08<damiano>but it's not that..
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11:08<damiano>ok
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11:09<babilen>damiano: Or use a tool like baobab
11:09<elench>Is there any power managerment package for notebooks?
11:09<damiano>alrighty
11:09<elench>MY screen seems to die and can't recover from hibernation or standby
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11:10<damiano>home folder is taking the most space.
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11:11<kop>babilen: I keep forgetting about baobab. It's handy if there's a gui about.
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11:12<damiano>shit... it was 4.4gb, now it's 4.3...
11:12<damiano>and down it goes..
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11:14<elench>o.O
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11:15<gob_bluth>install iotop damiano
11:15<damiano>and?..
11:15<gob_bluth>run it and see what process is writing data
11:15<damiano>ok
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11:17<damiano>appears to be skype
11:17<damiano>i'm on it right now
11:17<damiano>but it shouldn't store it anywhere.
11:17<damiano>is it logs?
11:17<damiano>let me check..
11:17<kop>damiano: 4.3G is a lot of logs.
11:17<damiano>4.3 is left
11:17<damiano>now taken
11:17<damiano>not*
11:18<damiano>it's Logs folder
11:18<damiano>found it
11:18<damiano>gob_bluth, thanks.
11:18<damiano>that helped a lot.
11:19<damiano>Skype Logs folder has 15gb!!
11:19<damiano>i deleted it.
11:19<damiano>but it grows up real quick
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11:20<gob_bluth>np
11:20<Bushmills>try to delete skype
11:20<damiano>no, no need
11:20<damiano>i just deleted logs folder and it doesn't create it anymore :)
11:20<damiano>skype is alright.
11:21<Bushmills>as you say
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11:34<abrotman>damiano: lay off the damn enter key .. jeez
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11:35<cthuluh>gotta love your /ignore switch
11:36<damiano>abrotman, listen.. it's my habit, alright?
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11:36<damiano>abrotm, did anybody die or what?
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11:37<abrotman>damiano: take a time out, learn to control your enter key ..
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11:45<Kobepanda>help set
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11:51<Mephisto>:)
11:51<jcdenton>lol
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11:52<Mephisto>lay off that ban button, bozo. Do you no good.
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11:52<Mephisto>you know something.. i was trying to be nice with you.
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11:53<Mephisto>but no.. you always touch my ass. And if your advices didn't work for me that's not my prob.
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11:53<Mephisto>enter
11:53<Mephisto>enter
11:53<Mephisto>enter :)
11:53<Mephisto>anyways...
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11:53<Mephisto>i'm not into trolling, just telling ya that's it useless.
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11:54*batouzo_ enters Mephisto's urmom
11:55<Mephisto>aha.
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11:55<Mephisto>don't you fucking mute me, alright? Thank you gentlemen.
11:55<Mephisto>ta-ta for now.
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12:04<Guest19082>connect ircnet.ru
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12:04<Guest19082>connect irc.ircnet.ru
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12:04<sercik>hello!
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12:04<sercik>a little help please
12:05<sercik>if i do apt policy linux-image-686
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12:05<sercik>i have this:
12:05<sercik>Tabella versione:
12:05<sercik> *** 3.1+41 0
12:05<sercik> 990 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
12:05-!-sercik was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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12:06<sercik>only two lines.... _(
12:06<sercik>:(
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12:06<sercik>but if i do apt install linux-image-686
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12:07<sercik>it don't install the kernel
12:07<sercik>uname -r is 3.0.0-1-686-pae
12:07<sercik>so i have a older kernel
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12:07<retrospectacus>what version of debian are you running, sercik
12:07<sercik>testing
12:08<babilen>sercik: First of all: Don't use ftp.debian.org but a local mirror or cdn.debian.org (typically ftp.CC.debian.org where CC is your country's code) -- Also plase the complete output of "apt-cache policy" and your apt-get run to http://paste.debian.net
12:08<babilen>!tell sercik -about mirrors
12:08<retrospectacus>there is a different channel for testing/sid - #debian-next. make a pastebin of your problem and ask there
12:08*babilen seconds ^^^^
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12:09<sercik>http://sprunge.us/LGYf
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12:10<retrospectacus>!mint
12:10<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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12:10<sercik>retrospectacus: i started from mint ok
12:10<sercik>but now i have dist-upgraded to debian testing
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12:11<retrospectacus>nice one. You're on your own for sure, nobody is gonna touch that
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12:11<sercik>retrospectacus: do you really want that i reinstall from zero?!? PLEASE!
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12:12*retrospectacus does not care what you do, but is certainly not obligated to help
12:12<babilen>sercik: Yes, that system is *not* Debian. I don't know mint well enough to conclude that it is not mint. You can try their support channels, but your Frankendebimintian is not supported here.
12:13<sercik>ok! goodbye and thanks :(
12:13<weasel>good luck
12:13<sercik>babilen: you were right but honestly this is only a doubt that i'd like to understand
12:13<babilen>Good luck -- /me recommends a new installation.
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12:13<sercik>only 'm not able to understand the version of 3.1+41 0
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12:14<babilen>brb
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12:29<aml>привет
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12:30<luciano_>ok
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12:31<aml>подскажите какой канал debian на русском?
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12:31<retrospectacus>!ru
12:31<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12:32<home>hi
12:33<retrospectacus>hey
12:33<home>u ok
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12:35<home>is anyone there
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12:35<retrospectacus>home: yes, hundreds.
12:36<retrospectacus>home: this channel is for debian support. If you have a question, just ask.
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12:42<tensorpudding>many people here, but fewer than on freenode!
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12:52*Bushmills commends tensorpudding for his ability to mentally compare 2 numbers
12:52<atrox>Error -4578 at flag submission ?
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13:46<aml>Hello!
13:47<aml>what codecs are needed for mkv?
13:47<aml>I speak English very bad)
13:47<valdyn>aml: we cant say, mkv is only a container format
13:48<valdyn>aml: why are you asking though? mplayer should support it by default in debian
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13:50<babilen>as should vlc
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13:52<aml>no(
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13:56<lucifel>where are the dictionary files?
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14:08<NaCl>phahn: question for ya. Is there a reason why audit hasn't been updated to the newer version?
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14:12<straszheim>I need to get automated building going for a large number of packages... how does debian do it? I don't seem to be able to find a page with status of buildslaves, etc, where I could figger out what system it is running (buildbot|jenkins|whatever)
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14:16<arand>straszheim: http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ ?
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14:17<straszheim>hmm, how did I miss that. thanks!
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14:20<shred805>can anyone help me with this error message? http://pastebin.com/9zr1nFc7
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14:24<scraze>shred805: it's saying that your kernel has no module dm-mod, verify that with : find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -regex ".*/md/dm-mod.ko" .. if it indeed doesn't return a line with dm-mod.ko, then somehow your kernel has no dm-mod module (which I think means that it's not a regular debian kernel image)
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14:27<shred805>scraze : nothing came up, this is wierd because i installed squeeze on this particular machine like 2 weeks ago
14:28<shred805>scarze : how would i go about installing this module then recompiling?
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14:28<jhutchins_lt>shred805: aptitude install linux-image
14:29<shred805>i keep getting this
14:29<shred805>insserv: Starting vpnagentd_init depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
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14:30<scraze>shred805: dm-mod is a default module in squeeze's kernel, so what jhutchins_lt suggests is probably the best solution - just to (re)install a normal kernel package and reboot
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14:30<shred805>i get errors I cannot accomplish this.
14:30<shred805>ill get a pastbin
14:31<jhutchins_lt>shred805: You might post the output of uname -r
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14:31<shred805>http://pastebin.com/nmLwcMdF
14:31<shred805>2.4.25
14:32<scraze>shred805: if you're not sure where your current kernel came from, try dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r` to see whether it belongs to a debian package
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14:32<shred805>scraze : linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
14:33<scraze>shred805: uname -r was 2.4.25, now it is 2.6.32-5-amd64 :S?
14:33<shred805>yea
14:33<shred805>wierd
14:33<s4br3>Does anyone know why they don't use Debian on http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
14:33<jhutchins_lt>This sounds very unlikely.
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14:34<scraze>shred805: it is strictly impossible for the kernel to be two versions at once. Try dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25 instead.
14:34<jhutchins_lt>One could explain it by saying a pre-lenny system was upgraded to squeeze and hasn't been rebooted, but that seems unlikely as well.
14:34<shred805>scraze dpkg: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25 not found
14:35<scraze>well.. that just leaves me confused.
14:35<shred805>i never made any changes to this machine
14:35<kooll>uname does not change if there's no reboot to a new kernel (or dark magic like kexec, or grey magic like setarch)
14:35<shred805>just updates
14:35<shred805>a bug maybe?
14:35<phahn>NaCl: I haven't had time to do a proper upgrade test to see what happens to old configurations. Therefore I'm reluctant to just package and upload it.
14:37<jhutchins_lt>Not sure what we're dealing with here, but it really doesn't look much like Debian Stable.
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14:37<shred805>so there is no way to fix this other than re installing?
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14:39<scraze>shred805: reinstalling a kernel should be very easy .. except for when it isn't
14:39<shred805>scraze : i was able to find dm-mod.ko
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14:39<jhutchins_lt>shred805: How and when did you build this system?
14:40<scraze>shred805: is it at all possible that you have multiple partitions to boot from and you booted from a partition from a way older system, while using the root partition from squeeze?
14:40<shred805> a net install from DVD
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14:40<shred805>scraze , not sure but there is multiple partitions on this machine
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14:43<scraze>shred805: if I'm not mistaken that situation would require a separate boot partition; from which MBR grub is loaded doesn't matter, as long as you use the right boot partition & root fs, but if grub somehow grabs the wrong boot partition with the right root fs you would have a squeeze running on an older kenel (if it succeeds to boot at all)
14:43<shred805>i do have a seperate boot
14:44<shred805>this sounds like a fail waiting to happen
14:44<jhutchins_lt>I don't think it's waiting.
14:45<scraze>your squeeze obviously still has the right kernel installed, so it should be a matter of rebooting with grub grabbing the right boot partition
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14:46<ratnick>k
14:47<And1>Hey folks. It seems one of my partitions from /dev/sda got deleted. Dunno how. It's one of my raid1 partitions. So I created a new partition with 'cfdisk'. Now I wanted to make it an ext3 filesystem. Unfortunately I get this error: "Could not stat /dev/sda8 --- No such file or directory, The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly?" Any ideas what I should do now? How can I add the device to the /dev/-dir or something?
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14:47<g0rs>ratnick: are you that rat?
14:47<NaCl>phahn: ok, thanks
14:47<ratnick>old nick it is
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14:48<ratnick>It's like tying your shoes while standing on the laces
14:49<g0rs>ratnick: get a life and mind your own business
14:49<ratnick>nick, nick
14:49<g0rs>ratnick: i think you that monkey
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14:49<g0rs>you wont go away , but suck other's life
14:49<ratnick>you may insult me
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14:50<g0rs>ratnick: did that whore nurse do something to you?
14:50<g0rs>maye its controlling your monkey brain
14:50<ratnick>not that I would complain about more than once
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14:51<ratnick>All deeds will be judged
14:52<g0rs>it is controlling all monkey brains
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14:52<ratnick>try #debian-offtopic
14:52<jhutchins_lt>And1: Need to reboot.
14:53<abrotman>g0rs: do you need Debian help ?
14:53<babilen>g0rs: Please be nice and do not insult other people -- Do you need help with Debian?
14:53<scraze>And1: if cfdisk successfully wrote to your drive's partition table, then it needs to be reread before the system recognises the new partition; a failsafe method would be to reboot
14:53<And1>jhutchins_lt: No other option? Do I have to worry about hmm losing some of my data or something like that. :-x
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14:53<ratnick>needs help w/ attitude
14:53<g0rs>abrotman: this is offtopic, i digress
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14:54<jhutchins_lt>And1: Your kernel needs to re-read the partition table.
14:54<scraze>there are other ways to re-read the partition table but smileage may vary
14:55<And1>jhutchins_lt: Ok, so I'm gonna try to reboot. I'll be back in about three minutes, hopefully.
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14:57<ratnick>maybe it's worker burnout
14:58<ompaul>ratnick: what help do you need?
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15:00<ratnick>more than i get here
15:00<abrotman>ratnick: please go troll somewhere else
15:00<And1>Hmm should I mkfs.ext3 oder mkfs.ext4? I remember, about one year ago we replaced the "ext3" ind /etc/fstab with "ext4"... soooo I should user ext4 now, maybe?
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15:01<ompaul>And1: with all conversions there is risk, so the first thing is do you have a pressing need for ext4, if so you get some backups and work from there
15:03<And1>ompaul: No I don't. I think I'll do ext3. 'cause cfdisk says also ext3 on my other HD. Though, in /etc/fstab, the md device is mounted with type "etx4". : o
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15:05<hpvincent>hi all, I interrupted by mistake "aptitude dist-upgrade" while upgrading from stable to testing
15:05<hpvincent>how can I resume
15:05<hpvincent>?
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15:09<hpvincent>if I try again "aptitude dist-upgrade" it says it can't resolve the conflicts
15:11<boba>!next
15:11<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:11<boba>Er
15:11<boba>hpvincent: May want to go to #debian-next
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15:12<hpvincent>boba, but you think it depends on the versions I am upgrading too ? I thought my question was pretty much version agnostic
15:12<boba>Stable to testing?
15:12<hpvincent>yes
15:13<hpvincent>my question is , how do you resume an interrupted "dist-upgrade" operation ?
15:14<valdyn>hpvincent: run it again or apt-get -f install and then run it again
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15:14<valdyn>hpvincent: or aptitude instead if you were using that
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15:19<hpvincent>valdyn, thanks; when it does that it tries to download new packages
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15:20<hpvincent>but I had already downloaded everything, I was at the installation stage
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15:22<cedric>hi
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15:22<cedric>I am building a package with : debuild -us -uc -sa --source-option="--git-ref=master"
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15:23<cedric>can I move the dpkg-source option to some debian/rules ?
15:24<scraze>hpvincent: testing is a moving target, if you apt-get update'd in between then indeed it will download new packages
15:25<scraze>whoops, on to #d-n.
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15:57<khadim>hola
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16:30<XeonBloomfield>Hello
16:30<XeonBloomfield>Which update manager you recommend?
16:31<XeonBloomfield>"update-manager-gnome" or "update-notifier"?
16:31<babilen>"apt-get update"
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16:31<XeonBloomfield>babilen: I want to have something which do it automatically and show me that there are packages available for update
16:31<babilen>XeonBloomfield: Try both and use whatever suits your needs. You might also want to check the BTS for bugs.
16:32<babilen>I've never used those so others might provide better input
16:32<XeonBloomfield>babilen: haha, what the hell I said!
16:33<XeonBloomfield>babilen: Update notifier comes with Update manager ;)
16:33<zues187>General question are "vanilla" kernels from kernel.org in this case 2.6.32 patched for security fixes regularly? In other words in terms of security what's the difference between a "vanilla" 2.6.32 kernel and a Debian one?
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16:33<babilen>zues187: Debian kernels are patched -- You get full security support and they also incorporate backported drivers.
16:33<XeonBloomfield>zues187: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-base
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16:33<XeonBloomfield>zues187: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.32-38.diff.gz
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16:34<XeonBloomfield>zues187: It's diff against the "orig.tar.gz" in Debian
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16:34<XeonBloomfield>zues187: orig.tar.gz you have on that site
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16:35<Scycotic>Hey, I was hoping someone here could help me with setting the spindown time on my HD
16:36<Scycotic>I've been trying to set it not to spindown with hdparm but it still goes into standby
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16:36<jhutchins_lt>XeonBloomfield: If I understand correctly, kernel.org releases don't get ongoing patch support, they release new versions instead.
16:36<babilen>zues187: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/squeeze/linux-2.6/debian/patches/ + http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/squeeze-security/linux-2.6/debian/patches/
16:36<zues187>Im considering the trade-offs of the Grsecurity patch. Ideally id like to be able to apply it to the kernel source obtained by the package manager, this doesnt seem to be practical though.
16:37<XeonBloomfield>jhutchins_lt: yes
16:38<XeonBloomfield>jhutchins_lt: of course there are long-term kernels which long time support
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16:39<zues187>from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/longterm/ChangeLog-2.6.32.49 it does look as though its maintained
16:39<XeonBloomfield>zues187: Yes, 2.6.32 kernel is long-term supported
16:41<zues187>XeonBloomfield, in other words there are no security issues using a long-term supported kernel instead of the debian equivalent?
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16:42<XeonBloomfield>zues187: Debian is using that 2.6.32 kernel and also apply own patches to it. Remember that before updating kernel to latest version it has to be tested for some time.
16:44<XeonBloomfield>zues187: Debian Squeeze kernel was updated to 2.6.32-38 with Debian 6.0.3 (correct me if I'm wrong). That kernel was released 15 Apr 2011.
16:45<adb>!judd kernels
16:45<dpkg>adb, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
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16:45<adb>judd kernels
16:45<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
16:46<zues187>Is it possible to apply the Grsecurity patch to the Debian version of the kernel?
16:47<XeonBloomfield>zues187: I think that it is possible, but not recommended - but remember that you will see if there were errors during patching or not ;)
16:48<sirin>hi, can anyone tell me how to get the icons on the Desktop and the system performance icons in the menu bar back?
16:48<sirin>they disappeared after my last sid updating
16:48<sirin>when it installed gnome 3
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16:56<arand>sirin: You can make nautilus manage the desktop via gnome-tweak-tools, as for a system-monitor applet, I'm not sure if there's any extension created for it yet.
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17:05<sirin>ty, nautilus is back
17:05<sirin>but can't it just run the old system-monitor applet?
17:06<sirin>i'm running in it the gnome2-compatibility mode
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17:07<arand>sirin: I don't know, but I'm assuming not, fallback is still gnome3
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17:08<hpvincent>what is the difference between the bigmem and pae kernel ?
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17:09<adb>judd, pae
17:10<retrospectacus>you want dpkg for that one
17:10<ompaul>!pae
17:10<dpkg>Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>.
17:11<retrospectacus>!bigmem
17:11<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM on squeeze and lenny systems supporting <PAE>. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead. See also <686-pae>.
17:12<retrospectacus>good question, what *is* the difference?
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17:14<sirin>too bad, tempting to switch to xfce
17:14<hpvincent>retrospectacus, I think there's no difference
17:15<hpvincent>bigmem points to pae
17:15<hpvincent>on the other hand , since I have an amd64, I'll take this one instead
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17:16<hpvincent>is grub able to open lvm partitions ?
17:17<scraze>with the right initrd it is
17:17<scraze>(if I'm not mistaken)
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17:19<hpvincent>err; what does initrd has to do with grub ?
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17:24<jhutchins>hpvincent: The initrd is a system image that provides the stepping stone to load the actual OS. If you need drivers to access things like RAID they need to be in the image.
17:25<hpvincent>jhutchins, but grub does come before initrd, right ?
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17:26<jhutchins>hpvincent: Yes.
17:27<hpvincent>so my question was whether grub able to open an LVM partition (and then read an EXT3 filesystem on it for example)
17:27<hpvincent>to load an initrd from it for example
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17:27<hpvincent>or should I use dos partitions instead ?
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17:28<rss>hpvincent: no swearing please
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17:30<hpvincent>rss, ?
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17:30<rss>hpvincent: dos partitions.
17:30<hpvincent>rss, and ? fdisk itself talk about "DOS compatible mode", does fdisk swear too ?
17:30<pmandic>say d*s instead ;)
17:30<rss>hpvincent: how about gpt
17:31<hpvincent>pmandic, ok, I'll try that, in order to not offend some hears :)
17:31<jhutchins>hpvincent: I don't mess with LVM, but from what I understand current versions of grub are able to boot from it. I'll bet that's something covered in the install guide.
17:32<jhutchins>hpvincent: You can boot from several different types of filesystem, including all of the ext*
17:32<hpvincent>ok, I will try
17:32<jhutchins>hpvincent: Have you read the install guide?
17:32<hpvincent>yes I know ext* work, but it's more the partition system I am more suspicious about
17:32<hpvincent>jhutchins, not completely I guess :)
17:33<hpvincent>I try to do an install from a running system, using deboostrap
17:33<jhutchins>hpvincent: It's full of helpful little things that you can spend hours trying to figure out without it.
17:33<hpvincent>so it's not a completely standard way to install
17:33<jhutchins>Pretty standard as such things go, works great.
17:34<hpvincent>so far it went well, but I am a bit wary when the chrooted debian system try to start service like LVM or such that are already running in the outer system
17:35<rss>hpvincent: are you talking about the partition table or the partition? if the table GPT should work for you as many partions as you need them
17:35<hpvincent>rss, the partition table, but my disk is already partitionned
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17:36<hpvincent>the partition containing the /boot directory is in LVM
17:36<hpvincent>anyway I'll try and see if it works :)
17:37<rss>hpvincent: If you have a standard d*s partition table then you need only consider grub loadable partitions. As far as I know lvm is supported now. a GPT partition table no langer has primary and extended limit
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17:37<hpvincent>bingo; there's an lvm.mod in grub
17:38<rss>hpvincent: that means on a GPT table all partions tha grub understands are bootable.
17:38<rss>hpvincent: if you make them so in the menu
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17:39<hpvincent>yeah but can't really repartition my disk now
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17:39<hpvincent>apaprently I can do "insmod lvm" in grub
17:39<hpvincent>and then I'll be able to mention LVM partition names
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17:39<hpvincent>let's try
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18:53<hpvincent>ok; installation with debootstrap works beautifully
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18:58<mib_ywe505>moin
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19:13<mib_lnh6ex>Erepublik is the only game i have played since 2008 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/OJSimpson I will help you grow
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20:01<rohtash>Hi good mrng
20:02<rohtash>HI
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20:02<rohtash>thng
20:02<rohtash>sir how can i create binary package
20:02<simonlnu>!nmg
20:02<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper
20:03<simonlnu>*the* reference guide how to do it
20:03<simonlnu>guides*
20:03<simonlnu>and we're not all men here - i am, but others may not be.
20:03<rohtash>thng sir but i am not sure about waether it will work
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20:04<rohtash>sory
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20:04<rohtash>thng
20:04<simonlnu>it's ok. and yes it does work. that's what the official maintainers use
20:04<rohtash>ok bye
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20:39<vook>I'm attempting to implement a freeradius server for the purpose of authentication with a cisco vpn. The server is up, linked with NIS, and testing successfully via "radtest username passw0rd 10.0.0.19 1812 testkey123", but when I attempt to login via the cisco vpn, it fails, and there is a log entry in radius.log that states: 'Fri Dec 2 17:30:44 2011 : Auth: [unix] invalid password "username"'
20:39<vook>Any ideas ?
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20:43<vook>..probably better for a freeradius channel.
20:44<vook>!freeradius
20:44<dpkg>FreeRADIUS is a high-performance and configurable <RADIUS> server, formerly packaged as <radiusd-freeradius> in Debian. http://freeradius.org/ http://wiki.freeradius.org/FAQ #freeradius on irc.freenode.net.
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21:02<rohtash>Hi
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21:03<rohtash>Hi
21:06<rohtash>Hi
21:07<rohtash>Hw cn i create binary package
21:07<rohtash>in ubuntu
21:08<heikkila>rohtash, I think you got good information about that for Debian a while ago, for Ubuntu you might want to ask in #ubuntu @ Freenode network
21:08<zykotick9>rohtash, ubuntu is not supported in #debian - i see you're already in #ubuntu on freenode, ask there
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21:29<antics>Anyone ever been donell baged
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22:16<Scramblejams>Hi all. Just updated a machine from lenny to squeeze, and now it won't see a RAID 6 array. Anybody here good with mdadm?
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22:20<MrFrood>Scramblejams: it's a bit quiet tonight, if you get no answer pop back in a few hours once Europe has woken up
22:20<Scramblejams>ok thanks
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22:39<scraze>Scramblejams: won't see as in it's not showing up in /proc/mdstat ?
22:41<Scramblejams>scraze, yes. I can see the devices in /etc/blkid.tab, and they have the correct uuid, but mdadm --scan --detail doesn't make them appear.
22:42<Scramblejams>I've tried adding devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1,etc to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but no luck.
22:42<Scramblejams>metadata version on the array is 0.90, if that matters
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22:48<Scramblejams>When I go mdadm -Q /dev/sdn1 --examine (which is one of the raid partitions), I get good-looking output, but the drives listed are incorrect.
22:49<scraze>Scramblejams: ouch, I'd think that should work - if you tried that I'm probably not more familiar with mdadm than you :] personally I get an error for mdadm --scan --detail, does it to your knowledge do something different than mdadm --assemble --scan ?
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22:53<Scramblejams>scraze, haha, nice work! Just tried --assemble --scan and the array is up!
22:53<Scramblejams>wonder how i can make it come up automatically now...
22:54-!-mode/#debian [+l 466] by debhelper
22:54<scraze>yay :} was just reading the man page, seems that --scan combined with --detail takes its information from /proc/mdstat, ie old info :]
22:54<Scramblejams>ah okay
22:54<scraze>mdadm started to require a /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but not sure whether that's at squeeze already
22:54<scraze>should be information about that in /usr/share/doc/mdadm
22:55<rohtash>sir
22:55<rohtash>sir
22:55<rohtash>hello
22:55<rohtash>anybody here
22:55<MrFrood>no
22:55<rohtash>sory
22:55<rohtash>ys
22:55<Scramblejams>ok thanks I'll look at that. I did have a /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but apparently that wasn't enough. will reboot and see if the effect was permanent.
22:55<MrFrood>!ask
22:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
22:55<rohtash>sory for that
22:55<rohtash>hw cn i create package
22:56<scraze>Scramblejams: it's in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz to be exact
22:56<rohtash>hw cn i create package
22:56<rohtash>rply
22:56<rohtash>is it
22:56<rohtash>hello
22:56<rohtash>sy somthng
22:56<rohtash>about that
22:56<MrFrood>rohtash: read the documentation
22:57<MrFrood>(unless you want quick and dirty in which case just use check install)
22:58<MrFrood>if you specific questions once you have read the documentation pop back
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22:59<Scramblejams>scraze, thanks for that tip. Okay, I'm following its directions.
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23:00<DEBIANERS>any body can help me, i am instaling samba on my pc, but can not access from windows OS, there is any better configuration ?
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23:03<jaidormi>hi all. i have issue with testing kernel 3.1.0-1 where screen corrupts immediately after initrd. on hp 8460w laptop w/ radeon 6470m
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23:03<jaidormi>disabled KMS to no avail. need help troubleshooting
23:04<MrFrood>jaidormi: try also asking in #debian-next
23:04<jaidormi>ok thanks
23:05<DEBIANERS>halo all
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23:05<DEBIANERS>help m pls
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23:06<MrFrood>DEBIANERS: be paticent and eventually someone who knows samba will turn up
23:06<Scramblejams>scraze, unfortunately a reboot put me back at square one. When I run /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf, it actually lists a double entry for the array. I did do rm -f /var/lib/mdadm/CONF-UNCHECKED.
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23:07<Scramblejams>Interestingly, mdadm -Q /dev/sdn1 --examine now includes the correct array devices in the list at the bottom.
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23:08<zito>i hv prob on samba, any body can help ?
23:09<onitaL>stable or sid?
23:09<scraze>Scramblejams: hm, so it's not in /proc/mdstat or is it just marked as 'inactive' there? Also, is the double entry the only difference between mkconf's output (after assembling) and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ?
23:09<zito>onital, stable
23:10<Scramblejams>it's not in /proc/mdstat. /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf differs a little in that for each array (i've also got a raid1 boot drive, which is fine) it has the level and num-devices specified.
23:10<onitaL>ah, k. I asked because I saw samba being removed in sid (maybe new libs), anyways, what's the problem?
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23:12<zito>onital, i can't access samba server from windows, but i hv already done my config in /etc/samba/smb.conf
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23:12<scraze>Scramblejams: try with mkconf's output as /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf with the old mdadm.conf backed up and mkconf's output modified to be accurate if needed
23:12<Scramblejams>ok, should I delete the double entry?
23:12<scraze>I've been wondering about that, is it really an identical line?
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23:13<Scramblejams>yep, completely
23:13<onitaL>zito, if you do " smbclient -L localhost" you can see the shares, right?
23:13<Scramblejams>i'll try it both ways
23:13<scraze>I don't think repeating a line should have any effect and if it does you probably don't want it :]
23:13<Scramblejams>yep
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23:15<zito>onital, i am using smbclient -L //debian -U myname, n i saw a table that contain sharename type comment
23:16<zito>is that u mean ?
23:16<onitaL>zito, as long you see the shares
23:17<Scramblejams>scraze, the updated mdadm.conf did not fix it, unfortunately
23:17<onitaL>and in the windows machie in windows explorer what happens when you put //debian?
23:17<zito>onital, wait
23:17<Scramblejams>I do have this in syslog tho: mdadm[1720]: DeviceDisappeared event detected on md device /dev/md3
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23:20<zito>direct to browser, but couldn't see anything on browser, accept "this webpage is not available", what's that mean ?
23:20<batouzo_>got a problem with installation
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23:20<batouzo_>after installing 6.0.3 net install (using partitions as base for RAID, then building crypto and LVM on that)
23:20<DarkJustice>I am getting an api mismatch saying that my nvidia kernel module is version 256.53 but the driver is version 195.36.31, I purged all nvidia items I could find in synaptic and then reinstalled the driver, the "debian" way, and still getting the api mismatch. Any suggestions?
23:21<onitaL>zito, that the windows machine doesn't know what \\debian machine is. try puting the ip \\192.168.1.....
23:21<batouzo_>my hard drive begins with 1.05 MB Free Space, then sda1, then again 1.05 fre space, then sda5,sda6 ... what is up with that?
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23:21<Scramblejams>scraze, I'm actually thinking that since this array is going to be history in a couple of weeks (migration), I should just put the requisite commands to get it going in /etc/rc.local and call it good.
23:22<zito>after i put \\192.168...., thereis login dialog box, n i must enter username n password
23:22<batouzo_>after installing debian 6.0.3 and partitioning my hard drive (some of partitions are base for RAID, then crypto and LVM on the RAID) my hard drive begins with 1.05 MB Free Space, then sda1, then again 1.05 fre space, then sda5,sda6 ... what is up with that?
23:23<scraze>Scramblejams: if a temporary solution suffices than indeed that would be good :] I do have one final thought though, but it's rather unlikely - perhaps a variable in /etc/default/mdadm is set to false where it should be true
23:23<onitaL>zito, k. at least that part is okay
23:23<onitaL>zito, when you ran the smbclient command, at the end, it said Workgroup, do both machine belong to the same workgroup?
23:24<zito>yes same workgroup
23:24<onitaL>aight
23:24<zito>n aftr i am login, i can enter
23:25<zito>but from ip address, not from \\debian name
23:25<zito>is this dns prob ?
23:25<onitaL>zito, I'm not a samba expert, and I cant' remember the settings, but I use swat
23:25<onitaL>swat is a web interface to configure samba
23:26<onitaL>!paste
23:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
23:27<zito>ok, hw can i get this swat ?
23:27<onitaL>zito, this is pretty much my smb.conf http://paste.pocoo.org/show/516062/
23:27<scraze>Scramblejams: an even more final thought - if you're using an initrd I believe you need to rebuild after editing mdadm.conf (although references are flaky)
23:27<onitaL>the important lines are 2,4,17
23:28<onitaL>zite, is in the repos, get it with whatever package management you use
23:28<Scramblejams>scraze, the only thing false in /etc/default/mdadm is VERBOSE. I'll turn that on. I did find this, though: http://pastebin.com/Tsetwpn4
23:29<onitaL>zito, try just modifing your .conf file with something like mine
23:29<onitaL>zito, line 4 disables the login, tho (that's what I assumed you wanted)
23:30<zito>tx onital, i preciate this n tx
23:30<zito>i will try
23:30<onitaL>add read only = no if you want it writable
23:30<onitaL>you're welcome
23:31<scraze>Scramblejams: partition table message seems harmless: http://osdir.com/ml/linux-raid/2009-11/msg00344.html .. wonder why it stops
23:35<scraze>Scramblejams: some more (somewhat confusing) info about the relation with initrd images: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.initramfs-transition .. normally an update-initramfs -u shouldn't hurt ;)
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23:39<Scramblejams>Hmm that initramfs piece is confusing... Reading again...
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23:41<scraze>Scramblejams: scrap that, it's described much clearer in the file /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz at lines 62-70
23:41<Scramblejams>scraze, you are awesome :-)
23:41<scraze>why thanks :)
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23:44<Scramblejams>Hmm, this is the reason why putting those commands in rc.local didn't work: mdadm: superblock on /dev/sdn doesn't match others - assembly aborted
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23:45<Scramblejams>So I put the devices= bits back into mdadm.conf, then did --assemble --scan and it said mdadm: /dev/md3 has been started with 5 drives (out of 6). hrm
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23:46<Scramblejams>Uh oh think I fat-fingered the devices, haha.
23:48<Scramblejams>Okay fixed that, it's up with all 6 drives now. I think it's because the drive letters are moving around on me when I reboot. Hmmm...
23:48<Scramblejams>trying rc.local again...
23:48<scraze>hmm yes, I resorted to using UUIDs everywhere I can
23:48<Scramblejams>can i use uuids in devices=? didn't think i could
23:49<Scramblejams>Didn't notice that man mdadm.conf says "Note that the devices listed there must also be listed on a DEVICE line."
23:49<scraze>you mean the DEVICE line in mdadm.conf right?
23:50<scraze>eh. *reads backlog&
23:50<Scramblejams>No, my line looked like: ARRAY /dev/md3 UUID=0f17797b:b84da3d8:9377812f:2a9d24f7 devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1,/dev/sdh1,/dev/sdm1,/dev/sdn1,/dev/sdi1
23:51<Scramblejams>Wonder if I should use DEVICE with /dev/disk/by-id/blahblah
23:51<scraze>ah, I see
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23:51<scraze>The default for DEVICE is to scan all partitions
23:52<Scramblejams>Hrm, yeah, and every raid partition has the right uuid...
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23:52<stomanata>hi
23:53<stomanata>i have 3 files .json (backup of my favorites)
23:53<stomanata>can i merge them?
23:53<stomanata>every time when i try to load file i replace my favorites
23:54<Scramblejams>So when I omit the devices=blahblah, it says once again, "superblock on /dev/sdn doesn't match others - assembly aborted." Wonder what's making it look at /dev/sdn1, rather than /dev/sdn.
23:54<Scramblejams>Oh heck, it's because /dev/sdn has the same uuid as /dev/sdn1.
23:55<Scramblejams>That should not be.
23:55<scraze>that can't be right..
23:55<Scramblejams>Very weird. The other array drives aren't that way.
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23:57<scraze>Scramblejams: blkid only returns a UUID for /dev/sdn ?
23:57<Scramblejams>It returns a UUID for both /dev/sdn and /dev/sdn1, and they're the same.
23:57<scraze>(ie not for /dev/sd[abhmi])
23:57<Scramblejams>Correct
23:58<Scramblejams>Oops wait
23:58<Scramblejams>also m
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23:58<scraze>that's definitely strange :/
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23:58<Scramblejams>How bizarre. I suppose there's a way to clear those...
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23:58<scraze>you can set new UUID's, but they shouldn't even have them
23:58<Scramblejams>yeah
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