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---Logopened Sat Dec 03 00:00:17 2011
00:03<Scramblejams>And by the way, those drives weren't that way an hour ago when I grepped /etc/
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00:03<scraze>Scramblejams: a random page ( ) says "UUID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 [..] can serve to clear UUIDs"
00:03<scraze>and that's worrisome :s
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00:04<Scramblejams>Hmm, wonder if I should try that.
00:05<Scramblejams>I only notice the various filesystem utils used to set UUIDs...
00:06<scraze>it's certainly worth figuring out what happened exactly. It doesn't seem reasonable to say that those entries weren't in blkid because mdadm didn't attempt to assemble the md
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00:07<Scramblejams>Yeah, the reason I said that is because I did grep for the UUID in a couple of hours ago, and those disk devices were definitely not there.
00:08<Scramblejams>Think I'll try a reboot and see what looks like.
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00:09<zito>my samba config isnt't stable, any body know how to fix this >?
00:10<scraze>on the other hand, having duplicate UUIDs is quite problematic when the according partitions/drives aren't also meant to be treated as 'equivalent' partitions (such as /dev/sdx1 in a RAID array), so it's probably a good idea to at least change the UUIDs of the drives to something other than those of the partitions
00:11<Scramblejams>Okay, a reboot has erased those strange entities from All the correct raid partitions are there though.
00:12<onitaL>what's wrong with it, zito ?
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00:14<scraze>Scramblejams: blkid /dev/sd[nm] returns nothing ?
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00:15<zito>hi onital, still can't access from windows
00:15<Scramblejams>Nope, it returns the RAID UUID for each, and now they're both in the How very odd.
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00:15<onitaL>xp. shista, or 7?
00:16<Scramblejams>Man, I've never had a RAID 5/6 array migrate smoothly across a debian upgrade. Must be cursed.
00:16<scraze>perhaps it indeed takes a scan of some sort before devices show up in ..
00:16<scraze>I'm pretty sure that blkid /dev/sdX reads directly from the partition, in which case it's not mistaken
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00:16<onitaL>k, if you do \\192.x.x.x.x it works as you want it, right?
00:17<Scramblejams>well I think I'll just hand-mount this thing, and resolve not to reboot it in the next couple of weeks :-/
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00:18<zito>first yes its work, but now can not access from win 7 even i am login
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00:19<onitaL>post the .conf
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00:21<zito>n now when i am runing smbclient -L, the shares... not show up
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00:23<onitaL>maybe is a syntax mistake
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00:25<scraze>Scramblejams: it should be safe to change the UUIDs of /dev/sdn and /dev/sdm, perhaps it would resolve things - but indeed for those few weeks maybe indeed too much effort to fix it :]
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00:32<scraze>Scramblejams: tune2fs mentions you can clear it with tune2fs -U clear /dev/sdX, but that does rise the question - is there really a filesystem on sd[nm] ? if you still've some problem-bashing energy left; dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdn ; dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdm
00:33<Scramblejams>Good idea! :-) Weird result:
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00:38<Scramblejams>I wonder if, at some point, an ext3 filesystem was accidentally created on sdn and sdm...
00:39<Scramblejams>Trying to clear the UUIDs failed, for the same reasons given as in dumpe2fs.
00:42<scraze>It's a mystery - at least for me :] I don't see how blkid gets UUIDs that dumpe2fs can't see, let alone how - if blkid is correct - sdm & sdn got their filesystem superblocks
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00:43<scraze>Scramblejams: little late to mention this, but there is a #mdadm channel on this very network
00:43<scraze>although I'm not sure whether the UUID falls in the mdadm category.
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00:44<Scramblejams>Yeah, me neither. I think I'll leave it where it is. Just wanted to say thanks so much for spending so much time helping me. You don't have a tip jar somewhere, do you? :-)
00:46<scraze>np :] wish I could've helped you further. I haven't seen a tip jar lying arou‌nd in this channel but you can always donate to the SPI / FSF, see ;P
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00:51<Scramblejams>Nah, you've helped me immensely. Didn't have the array up till you gave me that tip. Thanks again. If I were coming to NL, I'd buy you a beer. :-D
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00:54<heikkila>My sound doesn't work, it seems I have two soundcards, but afaik it's only one integrated at the mainboard. /proc/asound/cards lists two cards and they are in reverse order of when my sound do work.
00:54<scraze>here's to that - cheers :]!
00:54<Scramblejams>:-) G'night.
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00:57<heikkila>I should probably list the soundcards in /etc/modprobe.d/sound, but I don't know how to translate output of /proc/asound/cards to options snd-something index=0 in modprobe.d/sound
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00:58<light>is there software to divide the screen in half, let's say, so it's sorta like you have two screens? I know about workspaces, but that's not perfect.
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01:01<scraze>heikkila: you can determine which alsa driver is used by checking on the pciid (or better: let judd check it for you ;]), lspci -nn | grep -i audio
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01:02<scraze>heikkila: scrap that, there is a /proc/asound/modules which should tell you which drivers there are
01:02<scraze>s/there are/are in use/
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01:04<scraze>heikkila: it's probably snd_intel8x0 for the working card and snd_hda_intel for the weirdly bogus nVidia entry
01:06<scraze>then adding those in modprobe.d/sound should work :]
01:06<heikkila>ok, so I've put them in the right order in /etc/modprobe.d/sound , how do I reload w/o rebooting?
01:07<scraze>hm, I believe it was /etc/init.d/module-init-tools restart but am not sure
01:09<scraze>but iirc just removing & adding the sound modules should work as well
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01:15<zito>after an hour finally my samba is up again n show on win 7
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01:18<zito>but is stable if i change the config ? i dont kno
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01:24<heikkila>scraze, thanks, I didn't manage to reload modules properly so I rebooted, but I think it should always choose the right soundcard now every boot :)
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01:26<scraze>I hope so :] cheers!
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06:06<trollface>someone know how to keep wikey? cold or warm? sry guys realy have that problem
06:08<heikkila>trollface, do you mean wiki?
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06:09<trollface>wiskey... its an alcoholic beverage. but i dont know if you keep it cold or warm
06:09*babilen looks at trollface
06:10*ompaul confiscates the drink
06:10<heikkila>trollface, room temperature, but that's way offtopic, so good luck not getting banned again.
06:11<trollface>heikkila be nice plz
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06:11<trollface>babilen refereing to my blender problem yesturday... if i download the source how do i achive the dependecys for the compilation and to run it?
06:12<babilen>You install them?
06:13<babilen>trollface: Keep in on-topic in here. You should be well aware that question about the optimal temperature of whisky (let alone whiskey) is far beyond this channel's topic.
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06:14<trollface>babilen they may not be in the sources of debian
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06:14<Black_Prince>You download them from upstream and install them, too?
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06:21<trollface>okey i have the source... how do i check what dependencys no not fit?
06:22<ompaul>!tell trollface about packaging
06:22<ompaul>go read that
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06:25<trollface>well i dont wanna read the documentation i just want a quick automatic check with the dependencys and the installed packages... im sure there is a apt command for that...
06:25<trollface>something like make build-dep or sth
06:27<babilen>trollface: There is not -- I already told you that backporting 2.59 from sid entails backporting the entire GTK3 stack (which you really don't want to do) -- If you compile directly from upstream you have to ask them. They probably ship an INSTALL file in which the installation procedure is detailed. Please also make sure to install to /usr/local. You can install blender as shipped by Debian easily with "apt-get install blender"
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06:31<trollface>babilen i have the debian version of blender installed and use it. The advantage of the old version is that there are more scripts... the advantage of the new version is its MUCH more comfortable to use (and maybe supports threads) now i wanna combine this advantages by installing both versions (unless u guys have an more easy way to achieve my goal)
06:32<babilen>trollface: We don't and the new version (2.60?) has not been packaged by Debian (yet)
06:34<trollface>babilen it dont has to be 2.6 im perfectly happy with all higher than 2.55 (or at least i think 2.55 it was on ubuntu)
06:35<babilen>trollface: As I said: Backporting 2.59 (at least the Debian package) from wheezy/sid is probably a *lot* of work. (In particular for you)
06:35<babilen>,checkbackport blender
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06:36<judd>Backporting package blender in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python3.2-dev, libglew1.6-dev.
06:36<babilen>,checkbackport libglew1.6-dev
06:36<judd>Backporting package libglew1.6-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports.
06:36<babilen>,checkbackport python3.2-de
06:36<babilen>,checkbackport python3.2-dev
06:36<judd>No package named 'python3.2-de' was found in sid/i386.
06:36<judd>Backporting package python3.2-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdb5.1-dev.
06:36<babilen>... and so on
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06:37<Black_Prince>python3.2 can be compiled with db4.8 ... You just need to correct that in control file ...
06:37<babilen>Hmm, actually libdb5.1-dev is quite easily backported -- See "/msg dpkg ssb" for details on how to do that. Backport the dependencies first and install them.
06:37<babilen>Black_Prince: Or that :)
06:38*babilen wonders where gtk3 came into play ... Was it a different package? *shrug*
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06:39<trollface>babilen installing gtk3 is where i start to reconcedering
06:39<Black_Prince>Also, probably squeeze's glew can be used, unless >= 1.6.0 version is required.
06:40<babilen>Black_Prince: I have no idea about blender -- but versioned build-depends should be correct in the sense that they shouldn't specify a higher version than necessary.
06:41<babilen>Black_Prince: Given that these are different packages for each version, this does not really mean much though
06:41<Black_Prince>I am not that into backporting stuff ... And I don't know yet the policy ...
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06:42<trollface>well guys i can see there is no easy way to achive it and its not that much of a problem (or how i say on english) if you find a easy way (hopefully without gtk3+) plz tell me anyway
06:42<babilen>Black_Prince: A build-dep "libglew1.6-dev | libglew1.5-dev" might be possible
06:42<babilen>trollface: gtk3 is not required
06:43<babilen>(I obviously thought of another package I can not recall right now)
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06:59<theocrite>I have a /boot using ext3. Is there a use for it? Should I make it ext2 (is it wise to do so)?
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07:01<CookAnEgg>Salutations !
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07:02<babilen>theocrite: I don't see a problem either way
07:03<aavvn>hi heikkila
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07:08<theocrite>babilen: hm ok, thanks.
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07:18<convbsd_>hi all
07:18<convbsd_>howto I find to what package belongs an file please ?
07:19<babilen>!tell convbsd_ -about apt-file
07:19<babilen>convbsd_: Also "dpkg -S /path/to/file"
07:19<convbsd_>thank you
07:19<babilen>You are most welcome
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07:27<TCW>I am upgrading squeeze - wheezy but I want to hold gnome 2.3x, what packages should I put on hold?
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07:28<babilen>TCW: gnome+dependencies/recommends? But doing so is *not* a good idea and probably won't work at all. Accept that Gnome ships Gnome3 right now and that it is the version that is in wheezy.
07:29<babilen>TCW: I am almost 100% sure that this will not succeed.
07:30<TCW>babilen, why not? Basically I only want newer kernel, newer cups, newer whatever, but definitely the good ol' gnome2
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07:30<convbsd_>you can use gnome3 in fallback mode
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07:30<convbsd_>add gnome-session-fallback
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07:30<babilen>TCW: Install those packages from backports or backport them yourself (/msg dpkg ssb -- /msg dpkg bdo)
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07:31<convbsd_>it looks almost the same as gnome2
07:31<babilen>TCW: It won't work because a plethora of packages will suddenly become uninstallable because their dependencies can not be met.
07:31<heikkila>Almost, but not quite, and not quite as modifiable as Gnome 2.32
07:31<TCW>convbsd_, I know ;) but this is not my machine... and I want to get as much done untill the user says ok to gnome 3 in fallback mode. I alreday use fallback-mode on many machines and I *know* not all he wants / needs is already there
07:33<TCW>babilen, who cares? As long as the *needed* packages got upgraded (as in kernel and cups)
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07:33<babilen>TCW: Furthermore it is not a viable approach to deal with Gnome3 for some time to come. If you want gnome2 use squeeze and you postpone the problem until wheezy is no longer supported. Gnome3 is what has been released by upstream and Debian naturally packages it. If you are not happy with it you can use an alternative (there are plenty). Some gnome3 refugees seem to like XFCE
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07:33<babilen>TCW: Why are those packages *needed* ?
07:34<babilen>TCW: s/until squeeze is not longer supported/
07:34<TCW>babilen, it is not utterly world domination important, but nice to have :)
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07:34<babilen>backport them
07:35<TCW>babilen, too much an issue and the long-run will be wheezy... so...
07:35<babilen>Use wheezy with everything that entails in that case.
07:36<TCW>One may say this is an wheezy with gnome 2.3x experiment
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07:43<Nameeater>TCW: have you tried XFCE?
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07:43<TCW>Nameeater, you did not get the issue right... it is not about me, and yes I know Xfce and use it on some machines already...
07:44<TCW>anyway, bbl
07:44<Nameeater>TCW: the gnome2 fork MATE may get a following
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08:08<TCW>Nameeater, I am watching mate more or less closely since it's first announcement...
08:09<TCW>But I somewhat doubt its success in the long run
08:09<TCW>But for me that is not that much of an issue, I'd be fine with Xfce so whatever gnome does with the fallback-mode or generally speaking in the future... I am more or less "safe" :)
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08:48<tumulte>I must admit I don't know at all how debian "work" financially speaking
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08:49<tumulte>Lately I've started to wonder what's and who's behind debian
08:49<TCW>tumulte, basically a large community
08:49<tumulte>if anyone can bring me some lights It'll be great
08:49<TCW>many individuals, legal support through SPI
08:50<TCW>idealistic support thorugh FSF
08:50<TCW>no commercial vendor behind Debian, but some may sponsor Debian as a procect financially
08:51<TCW>project even
08:51<TCW>tumulte, best proove that a community can work perfectly, even for such a large thing as Debian is.
08:51<tumulte>Is there any employees? or is it 100% community based?
08:52<TCW>tumulte, afaik none get paid, but some are employed by e.g. SPI. But for example traffic expenses may be paid by the money got through sponsoring.
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08:53<tumulte>TCW: you know I've always assumed that debian is "clean" (unlike ubuntu)... but without even considering how it works :)
08:53<TCW>I heard even Canonical (ubuntu) does employ one or the other Debian developer, which are allowed to contribute to Debian in their "work hours"
08:54<TCW>tumulte, Debian *is* clean in that regard that it does not depend on *any* company
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08:54<tumulte>that's what I meant
08:54<TCW>but sure some companies do support Debian
08:54<tumulte>I wanted to be sure
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08:56<TCW>tumulte, but I am just a debian-user, for the utter truth you may ask on the debian-project mailinglist, if it is that important to get the details :)
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08:57<tumulte>TCW: It'll be just fine like this
08:57<tumulte>Many thanks!!!
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08:58<TCW>glad I could be of service *formal curtsy*
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09:03<convbsd_>TCW still there ?
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09:03<heikkila>How do I make my ntpd sync my clock manually?
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09:04<TCW>convbsd_, yes, why?
09:05<TCW>heikkila, what do you mean with "manually"?
09:05<abrotman>heikkila: should do that anyway .. but if it's very far off, it'll take a few days
09:05<convbsd_>you have told me that you have installed gnome3 from weezy/sid
09:05<heikkila>TCW, I set the clock forward two minutes, now I want to see it sync back
09:05<abrotman>heikkila: if you want to 'skew' the clock .. look in the man page .. it generally won't skew because the system may act strangely
09:06<convbsd_>I have done also that but when gdm3 starts it saes something like "Choose language and login"
09:06<TCW>convbsd_, err... did I? But yes, I run gnome3 on some boxes and I am on sid
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09:06<convbsd_>i don't see any language button to chose it
09:07<convbsd_>do you have something like that ?
09:07<convbsd_>I haven't installed recommends and suggest for it
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09:08<TCW>iirc yes... but I may look in a few minutes, as I want to upgrade all laptops. I do not want to relogin here on my workstation and the only laptop running atm is a squeeze
09:08<convbsd_>I will wait
09:08<convbsd_>thank you
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09:09<TCW>convbsd_, but you know you nedd to choose the loginname first, then the buttons for the session and language should appear.
09:09<TCW>need even
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09:09<convbsd_>I have enabled autologin
09:09<convbsd_>in an vm
09:10<TCW>so no password or usernam is aksed?
09:10<convbsd_>I have installed first in an vm
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09:10<TCW>how would you think you could change anything in gdm screen if it is not displayed for long? :)
09:10<convbsd_>i will disable it to see
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09:11<convbsd_>it's stay about 10 seconds
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09:11<TCW>yeah, disable that, restart gdm, enter usernam (or click on it depending on the gdm theme) and then you should see the language and session "buttons"
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09:12<convbsd_>what theme do I need for that ?
09:12<TCW>imho all should do
09:13<TCW>but the default one does definitely
09:13<convbsd_>i will disable autologin
09:13<convbsd_>and we'll talk
09:13<convbsd_>it's OK ?
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09:14<TCW>convbsd_, yes
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09:20<zophy>is there a way to check if a deb package is still correctly installed ?
09:21<zophy>in case my 12 thumbs akcidently deleted some config info
09:21<convbsd_>TCW it's the same
09:21<zophy>or binary files
09:22<convbsd_>I don't see any language chooser
09:22<convbsd_>only the upper panel
09:22<zophy>or alternatives
09:22<convbsd_>and central login page
09:23<TCW>convbsd_, upper panel?
09:24<convbsd_>or whatever it is
09:24<TCW>GDM has a panel? :)
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09:25<Zaric>Is there anybody knows how i can run graphical program under a different user?
09:25<convbsd_>the black line/band
09:25<TCW>maybe your theme does provide one... but I have never seen GDM with a panel itself, only the username / password / language / session chooser window
09:26<Zaric>When i try to do this i get this error: Error: cannot open display: :0.0
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09:26<phlogisto>Zaric: do you run it from ssh?
09:26<convbsd_>it's the last gdm3 from sid
09:26<Zaric>it need to
09:26<phlogisto>open ssh with -X option
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09:26<phlogisto>that will give you the display
09:27<TCW>convbsd_, do you use a non-default gdm-theme?
09:27<convbsd_>I don't know
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09:27<convbsd_>how do I fing
09:27<convbsd_>find that
09:27<Zaric>Know, it doesn't run from ssh. It runs from the terminal
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09:28<TCW>convbsd_, you should know if you did change the theme ;)
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09:28<convbsd_>i haven't changed nothing
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09:28<Zaric>I use this command: su USER -c firefox
09:29<TCW>convbsd_, that means you have changed everything :-P
09:30<phlogisto>hmmm, it works for me
09:30<phlogisto>maybe USER has different display set as default?
09:30<TCW>convbsd_, oh... I did reboot this squeeze laptop here and apparently gdm HAS a panel there, sorry for the confusion... :)
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09:30<Zaric>i made user like this: useradd USER
09:30<convbsd_>no problem
09:31<TCW>convbsd_, anyway, this is gdm2 so I will see how the default gdm does look alike in a few minutes anyway :)
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09:31<phlogisto>run xrandr under your current user and under USER and check for differencies
09:33<Zaric>but is it possible to run firefox under a different user but in the same envirement without dual monitors?
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09:34<phlogisto>it is
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09:34<Zaric>btw i use ubuntu
09:34<phlogisto>try to login into terminal as a USER and then just run firefox
09:34<phlogisto>me too
09:34<TCW>Zaric, I guess you need to play around with .Xauthority / xhost
09:34<Zaric>i get the same error
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09:35<TCW>in simple words "to allow one user to access the other ones X display"
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09:39<valdyn>Zaric: "sux -u username" lets you run anything as any user
09:39<convbsd_>Ok TCW
09:39<convbsd_>I will wait
09:39<convbsd_>thank you
09:40<Zaric>thx, i will try that
09:41<valdyn>Zaric: or just use sudo....
09:41<valdyn>Zaric: sudo is not limited to the root user
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09:41<TCW>convbsd_, time of trutz, not-so-current sid laptop is booting :)
09:41<TCW>truth even
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09:42<convbsd_>ok ;)
09:42<TCW>Oops... and that default gdm3 theme apparently has a panel as well :)
09:43<convbsd_>that message appears when autologin only
09:43<Zaric>i get this error: xauth: error in locking authority file /home/program_firefox/.Xauthority
09:43<valdyn>Zaric: when doing what?
09:43<TCW>convbsd_, anyway, I click on my username and realise the language chooser is gone as well :)
09:44<socram>hi all... anyone else is having problems with debian mirrors?
09:44<convbsd_>I was having with romanian mirror
09:44<TCW>weird... let me check that on other laptops as well (after this one got upgraded)
09:44<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
09:45<Zaric>when doing this: sudo sux program_firefox -c firefox
09:45<socram>since yesterday that apt-get keeps giving me errors thatcannot fetch some files
09:45<convbsd_>if you can enable autologin maybe you will se that message too
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09:45<TCW>convbsd_, what message?
09:45<socram>i've tried different mirrors but the problem persists
09:45<valdyn>Zaric: dont chain those commands
09:46<valdyn>Zaric: you dont need sux when you are already using sudo anyway
09:46<convbsd_>"Choose language and login"
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09:47<qdb>hello. if i move my servers ( web server, mysql, ejabberd, postfix, icecast2 ) from ubuntu 9 10 to fresh installed debian 6 03 , what steps i should make. dpkg get selections ... then i copy var folder, etc folder, home folder to new system. and several php scripts in usr ... local ... . then reinstall al packages whit dpkg .... set selections ? (i have forgot it) reinstalling packages do not overwrite configs in etc or asks ? may be i shoudl better copy etc
09:47<qdb> folder after installing programs packages
09:47<TCW>convbsd_, you mean when autologin is enabled for that 10s period the language chooser is there?
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09:47<convbsd_>it's not
09:48<convbsd_>but I have an message to choose language
09:48<convbsd_>and login
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09:48<TCW>a message to choose the languge but the chooser itself is not there?
09:48<valdyn>qdb: no, this is not supported and we can hardly know what will break, this is only a debian support channel
09:48<TCW>that sounds like a bug
09:49<convbsd_>or I haven't installed something
09:49<qdb>valdyn, i think apache config will work
09:49<convbsd_>I have installed also recommends
09:49<qdb>also other configs
09:49<valdyn>qdb: good for you
09:49<qdb>valdyn, and i hope user numbers will be ok
09:50<Zaric>i still get the error
09:50<qdb>ie same numbers in etc passwd and same numbers in directories and files that are copied
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09:52<qdb>dpkg get selections shows some packages as "deinstall" what does it mean?
09:52<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, qdb
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09:53<qdb>of course i should read mans
09:56<Zaric>thanks for the help, i found out what the problem whas
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09:57<gernot>Hi, I need some help with sound devices in Gnome. I plugged in a USB headset which I can select and use in applications like audacity and Skype. In gnome-sound-recorder I can't select it (it only offers choice of built-in sources), however, and Empathy (which I want to use the headset with eventually) can't be configured at all. Do I need to make the headset the default device using .asoundrc or
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10:03<TCW>gernot, *maybe* pulseaudio is what you want
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10:04<convbsd_>TCW any news ?
10:04<TCW>convbsd_, still upgrading first laptop :)
10:05<convbsd_>also if logoff/logout after autologin asks for passwd
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10:05<convbsd_>previous gdm hasn't done that
10:05<gernot>TCW, thanks, I'll check it out.
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10:11<qdb>i can upgrade from 9 10 to 10 04 3 in ubuntu. can debian upgrade similar way (automatically) for example from debian 4 to debian 6 (was not heer debian 5? ) ? though once i tried ubuntu upgrade i had seen problems.
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10:13<TCW>convbsd_, it seems I need to upgrade the laptops more often... :D
10:13<convbsd_>I don't use to do that since all it's working
10:14<TCW>convbsd_, why do you use sid then?
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10:15<convbsd_>I want to make possible an aptosid gnome
10:15<convbsd_>theu have only kde and xfce
10:16<convbsd_>do you like gnome TCW ?
10:17<TCW>gnome 2 yes, gnome-shell not so much
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10:17<convbsd_>I think the same
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10:19<convbsd_>that's why i use gnome-fallback session
10:20<TCW>Me too, and xfce
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10:21<TCW>Hmm... I am missing a thinkpad t40... *scratches head*
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10:22<convbsd_>it's an unpleasant surprize
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10:23<TCW>convbsd_, not that much apparently... I think I wrongly thought one of the T41 is a T40 :)
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10:25<convbsd_>I don't own an laptop ....... so for me T40 and T41 seems to be the same
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10:26<TCW>convbsd_, they do look almost the same and have almost the same hardware built in, so the confusion may happen more often than one would hope :)
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10:28<benjr>ive just installed "samba filesharing" app on my android, ive gone through its settings giving ti a user/pass/workground etc and its enabled, i know my phones IP address, but im not sure how to access it from my PC now. Putting the IP into the location bar of my file browser did nothing
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10:30<TCW>benjr, smbclient -L <ip-address of phone>
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10:31<TCW>\o/ upgrade #1 finished!
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10:46<benjr>TCW, ah cool that got me somewhere, just had to add another option for username
10:47<benjr>is it possible to browse the share in a gui?
10:47<TCW>benjr, smbclient -L ip-address -U%
10:47<convbsd_>TCW any news ?
10:48<TCW>benjr, yes... nautilus (gnome), thunar (xfce), dolphin (KDE), or mount the sahre with mount -t cifs -o username=your-username //ip-address/share /path/to/mountpoint
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10:49<TCW>convbsd_, sort of... gdm2 has languge / keyboard setting, gdm3 not, at least none gdm3 login managers here have that option anymore
10:50<benjr>TCW, im using thunar, but i dont see how to navigate to it
10:50<benjr>do i need to mount it before ti apears?
10:50<TCW>benjr, smb://ip-address/share
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10:51<convbsd_>can you enable autologin please
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10:53<devusr>Hola, buenos dias :). ¿Alguno de ustedes sabe por que si ingreso el comando sudo, me pide la contraseña de mi usuario actual en lugar del de root?
10:53<devusr>Agradezco su atencion.
10:54<TCW>convbsd_, if I get back to the other laptop, yes... but I don't find the third AC-powersupply-unit and the battery did run out during the upgrade :)
10:54<devusr>Oh, im sorry , i forgot im in the english server
10:54<convbsd_>i will wait
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10:55<devusr>Anyone knows why if i type 'sudo' the terminal ask for the password of my actual user in the place of root ?
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10:55<devusr>thanks for your attention :)
10:55<Dennis>it ask for the password of the actual user
10:56<EmleyMoor>devusr: sudo is supposed to do that
10:56<convbsd_>devusr because of sudoers config file
10:56<devusr>Yeah, in fact, but if i that user don't have enought permission... it useful for me
10:56<devusr>how can i change that ?
10:57<devusr>sorry about the english i'm Mexican and by the way Hello EmleyMoor and convbsd Ñ:)
10:57<TCW>$ uname -r
10:57<TCW>oops... that box got upgraded ages ago! :)
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10:58<sercik>noone extension is available in testing, it is necessary to add sid repository?
10:58<EmleyMoor>devusr: Why do you want to change the behaviour of sudo in that way? If you can't explain it well in English, join #debian-es
10:58<TCW>sercik, what kind of extensions?
10:58<benjr>TCW, hmm no go, thunar gives me a red cross when i type that
10:59<TCW>benjr, maybe some smblibs missing, no idea, works here without a headache
10:59<devusr>Thanks EmleyMoor, i apreciate your help, hava a nice day, i'm going to @debian-es :)
10:59<benjr>TCW, ill try that mount thing, thanks for your help so far :)
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11:00<TCW>benjr, you have a local samba installation on your Xfce box?
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11:02<benjr>yeah i just did apt-get samba and smbclient when i started this, so i havent used it before this
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11:04<TCW>benjr, configure samba (basically set the workgroup should be enough, should have been asked during samba install anway) so that all machines (phone and xfce box) are in the same workgroup. If the samba thing on the phone is somewhat like a normal smb-device and does smb-broadcasts, after a few minutes you should be able to use machine names instead of ip-addresses
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11:08<benjr>TCW, it has a password for the user, do i need to add that password to the mount line?
11:08<TCW>benjr, you could, but mount will ask for the password if not provided with the command line (which would be unsafe)
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11:09<p00d73>does anyone know how to pull gdm3 on Xfce without gnome components?
11:10<TCW>p00d73, gdm3 *is* somewhat gnome, so what you want is not possible
11:10<benjr>TCW, im guessing this means theres something i need to do on my phone first?
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11:11<p00d73>TCW, it was possible with gdm, does that mean I should revert to that?
11:11<TCW>p00d73, if you like
11:12<TCW>benjr, paste the output of smbclient -L <ip-address of phone> -U% please
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11:14<p00d73>it's not really about liking I'm afraid, I updated from squeeze to wheezy, and it wanted to update gdm gdm3, so I replaced it with xdm instead
11:14<p00d73>it appears though that debian has problems with light DM's and I couldn't do very much outside the terminal
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11:14<sney>p00d73: the wheezy support channel is #debian-next
11:14<p00d73>oh ok thanks
11:14<TCW>benjr, I asked for -U% and NOT -U SDCARD :-P
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11:15<benjr>oops sorry
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11:15<TCW>benjr, but I would have asked for -U USERNAME after it... so, please -U% now :)
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11:16<benjr>just one liner, session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
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11:16<TCW>with -U% but the rest is the same?
11:16<TCW>*sure*? :)
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11:16<TCW>in other words, please paste ;)
11:17<benjr>sure :)
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11:19<TCW>benjr, so smb browsing with guest / anonymous does not work... but not essential... so ls -ld /media/phone please
11:19<TCW>benjr, of... and did mount ask for the password?
11:20<TCW>then the samba-setup on the phone is somewhat broken
11:20<TCW>benjr, do you have sshd set up on the phone?
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11:22<benjr>TCW, i installed this app
11:22<TCW>benjr, no idea about android in general...
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11:23<benjr>i got no idea if its got sshd on it, unless one fo the apps ive installed did it for me
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11:26<TCW>benjr, basically... see if you can get android support on this matter :)
11:26<TCW>android should have a very active community as well
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11:26<benjr>alright, thanks again for your help, sorry for asking in the wrong place
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11:34<TCW>convbsd_, see
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11:37<convbsd_>as I remmeber choosing language in gdm2 changed language in gnome and also keybd layout
11:37<TCW>dunno... but may be true
11:38<convbsd_>so i don't know if that bug is related with that
11:38<TCW>and the last gdm2 machine is upgrading right now :)
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11:38<jose>Hi! anyone know why in my totem reproductor i cant move forwad or back in a mp3 file? i only have installed gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, need any more?
11:38<TCW>convbsd_, there is no keyboard setting in gdm3 yet, period :)
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11:39<convbsd_>so that message it's an bug
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11:39<TCW>convbsd_, the whole thing is a bug / regression
11:40<convbsd_>Thank you for your's help
11:40<convbsd_>I was thinked that I have missed something
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11:40<benjr>TCW, :o its working, just used -t smbfs instead of cifs in the mount
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11:41<convbsd_>strange is that gdm3 was also in gnome2 last year
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11:41<convbsd_>and it worked to change language/keyboard
11:41<TCW>benjr, funny... that is a weird samba setup on the phone :)
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11:41<benjr>TCW, no longer shall i have to plug in my usb cable to transfer my photos off :)
11:42*grummund needs to copy a some files from a machine inside a firewall...
11:42<TCW>convbsd_, I don't remember if gdm3 half a year ago did that already :)
11:42<grummund>i have ssh to one machine and from there ssh access to the internal machine, so it's possible with 2-stage scp copy....
11:42<grummund>however does anyone know a neat way to do this with a single ssh command, rather than 2-stage scp ...?
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11:43<TCW>grummund, I guess the command line would be somewhat ugly, huge and error-prone, I guess yes :)
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11:47<jose>Hi! anyone know why in my totem reproductor i cant move forwad or back in a mp3 file? i only have installed gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, need any more?
11:48<TCW>jose, consider no one has a valid answer or does not want to say something to that question... but I vote for a broken mp3 file.
11:48<TCW>even if I have no idea what "totem reproductor" means
11:49<sney>there are some patent restrictions on mp3, or at least there used to be
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11:50<dpkg>LAME is an open source MP3 encoder. Version 3.98.4 was accepted into Debian in July 2011 (closing bug #90091). Unofficial packages for Squeeze and Lenny are available from <debian-multimedia>. Applications using <GStreamer> for MP3 output require the LAME plugin: install the gstreamer0.10-lame package (in <dmm>) for squeeze & lenny, the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly package for wheezy. #mp3encoder on
11:50<benjr>this phone is basically a computer in my pocket
11:50<jose>Thanks sney
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12:07<Sicelo>nice benjr. what is it?
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12:08<benjr>Sicelo, optimus 2x ... wouldnt have been my first choice but got it cheap though a company closing down
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12:08<benjr>im more of a phsyical keyboard man
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12:09<benjr>price was half of retail, and the phone was only 2 weeks old though, couldnt turn that down
12:09<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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12:11<Sicelo>i'm sorry sorry as well
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12:25<XeonBloomfield>How to make Hibernation working under mdadm RAID?
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12:30<gnugr>XeonBloomfield: check this it might help ";a=blob_plain;f=debian/FAQ;hb=HEAD "
12:32<XeonBloomfield>gnugr: nope - there is anything helpful for me
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12:35<XeonBloomfield>gnugr: I am going to test in on VM if it works for Debian
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12:40<gnugr>XeonBloomfield:check also this " "
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12:48<XeonBloomfield>Is there anyone who have working hibernation with mdadm RAID?
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12:49<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
12:49<XeonBloomfield>TCW: I would like to have that feature working on my desktop...
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12:50<TCW>XeonBloomfield, that much I figured...
12:51<jose>i cant found how to enable 6 channels to 5.1 speakers with alsa, anyone know how?
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12:51<gnugr>XeonBloomfield: as you said, best try it in VM
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12:52<XeonBloomfield>gnugr: Debian is installing on it now.
12:53<jose>anyone know how to enable 6 channels in alsamixer? in speaker-test i only got left and rigth speakers---
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12:53<XeonBloomfield>jose: You have to turn on these speakers in your mixer
12:53<XeonBloomfield>jose: then, they should work out of box
12:54<jose>turn on is unmute each?
12:54<XeonBloomfield>jose: yes
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12:54<jose>XeonBloomfield, they are unmuted too
12:55<XeonBloomfield>jose: volume is up?
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12:56<XeonBloomfield>jose: what sound card are you see there?
12:56<XeonBloomfield>do you see*
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12:57<jose>Nvidia CK804
12:57<XeonBloomfield>jose: are you using "alsamixer" or GUI mixer?
12:57<usacomputertec>Hello World. How do you set up Debian Squeeze so that like Ubuntu when gksu is used, it asks for the sudo password instead of the root password
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12:57<jose>should use GUI?
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12:58<usacomputertec>is there a way to have all users created by default as part of the group sudo
12:58<XeonBloomfield>jose: Do you have any switch set to "2.0" or "stereo" on the right? (it can be not show until you press right arrow)
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13:00<TCW>usacomputertec, edit /etc/adduser.conf, but make sure you know what you are doing
13:00<jose>XeonBloomfield, i dont have gnome addons
13:00<usacomputertec>TCW the know what your doing would be nice
13:00<jose>I have simple sound control
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13:01<TCW>usacomputertec, for sure that conf file is only valid if you use adduser to add users... if you use some other tool (like the gnome-tool to manage user accounts) no idea
13:01<XeonBloomfield>jose: Are you sure that they are set volume up and unmute? If so, I will send you paste with .asoundrc file for 5.1
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13:01<usacomputertec>TCW well I'm remastering Debian
13:01<usacomputertec>and i want the user creation to be the same as Ubuntu
13:01<usacomputertec>as far as the default options
13:02<usacomputertec>and I don't want it asking for the root password
13:02<usacomputertec>when you do gksu
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13:03<TCW>usacomputertec, then ask on #ubuntu or at least have a look at ubuntus config how they do it... or... use ubuntu in the first place (which I wouldn't recommend, but I don't like any ubuntu specialities)
13:03<nodiscc>usacomputertec: for gksu without password, you can save the root password in your user's keyring. You'll only have to unlock the keyring one time
13:03<TCW>nodiscc, imho *bad* advise
13:03<XeonBloomfield>jose: How do you test these speakers?
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13:03<usacomputertec>nodiscc true, however I just want to change gksu over to sudo
13:03<nodiscc>usacomputertec: the keyring named "login" can be unlocked at user's login if it has the same password as your user
13:03<jose>speaker-test -c 6 -t wav
13:03<usacomputertec>good idea TCW I'll look at Ubuntu's config
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13:04<TCW>but then again... even putting all users in the sudo group would be a bad idea imho... so...
13:04<jose>or shomething else
13:04<nodiscc>yes, bad practice.
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13:04<usacomputertec>Ya I know it's "Bad Practice" but I want to make this as easy / simliar to use as Ubuntu without the bugs
13:04<nodiscc>TCW: automaticllay putting the first user in the sudo group is not as bad.
13:04<usacomputertec>if you know what I mean
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13:04<nodiscc>only the user created by installer
13:04<usacomputertec>nodiscc correct !
13:05<usacomputertec>nodiscc Correct
13:05<usacomputertec>now do we achieve that?
13:05<TCW>usacomputertec, guess... I consider that being a bug :)
13:05<jose>XeonBloomfield, where is .asoundrc file?
13:05<usacomputertec>it's using the remastersys installer
13:05<TCW>jose, in ~
13:05<jose>no im my computer xD
13:05<XeonBloomfield>jose: You can make it, but it seems that your system is not using 6 speakers
13:05<usacomputertec>TCW in this case making the system easy to use and user friendly is not a bug ;)
13:05<nodiscc>usacomputertec, i don't know how you are building your image, but with live-build that's something you can achiev with .preseed files for your installer
13:06<usacomputertec>hmmm live-build works for Debian?
13:06<nodiscc>live-build is a debian project
13:06<TCW>usacomputertec, btw. are you building a debian-image to pre-install on computeres selled at USAComputers?
13:06<TCW>err... sold
13:06<jose>XeonBloomfield, i dont have asoundrc file maybe here is the problem?
13:07<usacomputertec>TCW lol yes and no
13:07<XeonBloomfield>jose: nope, asoundrc is made by you if you need it
13:07<usacomputertec>I'm making JULinux 10
13:07<usacomputertec>lots of people will download and use it
13:07<XeonBloomfield>jose: command which you use should play sound on all of your speakers
13:07<TCW>JULinux? Another distro? Oh hell... I guess that will never stop :)
13:08<jose>XeonBloomfield, $ speaker-test -c 6 -t wav
13:08<usacomputertec>So if I may ask nodiscc what is the install process like after remastering with live-build?
13:09<jose>XeonBloomfield, the woman only talk in rigth and left
13:09<gnugr>TCW: guru Stallman says " free as in freedom "
13:10<TCW>gnugr, pardon?
13:11<heikkila>usacomputertec, in Gnome you can change the behaviour for admin tasks to ask for sudo pw all the time, instead of sometimes
13:11<XeonBloomfield>jose: I also have 5.1 sound card and 5.1 speakers setup, but I am using something what is called "UPLINK" on my speakers - and I have to connect only stereo to PC (I know that it not using surround then)
13:11<gnugr>everyone is free to build a distro
13:11<nodiscc>usacomputertec: it still uses the (graphical or not) debian-installer, but you can pre-answer it's questions with preseeds, run custom scripts in the target system ath the end of the installation...
13:11<nodiscc>countless possibilities
13:11<usacomputertec>FYI adduser is the same between Ubuntu 11.04 and Debian Squeeze
13:11<usacomputertec>I just checked
13:12<nodiscc>usacomputertec: check
13:12<usacomputertec>nodiscc that's awesome
13:12<usacomputertec>heikkila how do you do that?
13:13<usacomputertec>heikkila change Gnome's behaviour for admin tasks
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13:13<heikkila>usacomputertec, I found the appropriate value in gconf-editor, but I'm sure there's a commandline way of doing it
13:13<usacomputertec>heikkila can you tell me how you did it in gconf-editor, and what gconf-editor is?
13:14<nodiscc>heikkika, usacomputertec: man gconftool-2
13:14<heikkila>gnome configuration editor
13:14<jose>XeonBloomfield, ok thanks i will try with PulseAudio maybe
13:14<nodiscc>usacomputertec, heikkila, be careful it's being progressively replaced by dconf
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13:15<usacomputertec>nodiscc what is being replaced?
13:15<heikkila>usacomputertec, but it should still work with Debian squeeze
13:15<usacomputertec>heikkila well that's all that matters for now
13:15<nodiscc>the old gconf database system will cotinue migrating to the newer dconf system
13:15<XeonBloomfield>jose: I have an idea
13:16<XeonBloomfield>jose: Save it as ".asoundrc" in "~"
13:17<heikkila>usacomputertec, /apps/gksu/sudo-mode is what you are looking for, in gconf-editor for squeeze.
13:17<jose>ok XeonBloomfield
13:17<XeonBloomfield>jose: It should "uplink" it on PC
13:17<heikkila>nodiscc, gconf was still there in sid, but I think I saw a dconf-package too...
13:18<EagleScreen>I am trying to build a C# code example with mono and I can't. This is the code: and this is the command line: Since I have 'libmono-winforms2.0-cil' why do I get that error?
13:18<nodiscc>it will be there for a while, but GNOME apps will store their settings in dconf instead
13:18<nodiscc>i.e your gconf settings will have no effects
13:18<jose>XeonBloomfield, whith any permissions?
13:19<XeonBloomfield>jose: yes
13:19<usacomputertec>heikkila is gconf editor a GUI?
13:19<usacomputertec>I'm having a hard time figuring out how to launch it
13:19<XeonBloomfield>jose: it does not matter what it has - it must be readable
13:19<heikkila>alt+f2 type gconf-editor hit enter, if it doesn't start it's probably not installed
13:20<jose>Ok XeonBloomfield
13:20<jose>but what mean uplink?
13:20<jose>i dont understand that
13:20<XeonBloomfield>jose: stereo => 5.1
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13:20<XeonBloomfield>jose: stereo is software mixed to 5.1
13:20<XeonBloomfield>jose: but I think it will not work
13:21<XeonBloomfield>jose: If it will not work, delete .asoundrc file and make as is written here:
13:21<usacomputertec>shoot now I feel stupid there is even an icon for it
13:22<usacomputertec>lets see if changing that worked
13:22<usacomputertec>so what file do I need to put in /etc/skel to back up the gconf ?
13:23<XeonBloomfield>jose: Did you read what I wrote?
13:23<jose>Yes XeonBloomfield im reading link to forum
13:24<XeonBloomfield>jose: If .asoundrc file will not give you 5.1, delete it and do as is written in that post
13:24<XeonBloomfield>jose: People wrote under it that they get working 5.1 with your sound card
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13:25<jose>XeonBloomfield, dont work with .asoundrc file
13:26<jose>alsa should load that file automatic?
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13:33<XeonBloomfield>jose: yes
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13:36<jose>XeonBloomfield, i go to reboot to check this shit, give me good luck! xd
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13:36<XeonBloomfield>jose: good luck!
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13:42<jose>XeonBloomfield, i come with bad and good news xd
13:42<XeonBloomfield>jose: ?
13:43<jose>Now i can listen music in 4 speakers left rigth rearleft rearrigth (and buffle) but in all they sounds little "cri cri cri" sounds xd
13:43<jose>XeonBloomfield, sorry for my bad english xd
13:44<XeonBloomfield>jose: I know what you want to say! ;)
13:44<XeonBloomfield>jose: Did you configured it as was written?
13:44<jose>but in speaker-test i go the same, only left and rigth
13:46<XeonBloomfield>jose: Ask someone else - I also used PulseAudio with "cri cri cri" sounds and I deleted it ;P
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13:47<XeonBloomfield>jose: I know that it means that computer's bus is overloaded
13:47<XeonBloomfield>jose: And PulseAudio is simply lagged by that
13:48<jose>XeonBloomfield, i found the answer! xd
13:48<XeonBloomfield>jose: and?
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13:48<jose>XeonBloomfield, only need go to command line and type: alsamixer
13:48<jose>and put all speaker volumes in 45+-
13:48<jose>and "cri cri cri" is over xd
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13:49<XeonBloomfield>jose: You are talking about "cri cri cri" sound of speaker overload!
13:49<jose>yes jajajajaj
13:49<jose>what about you think?
13:49<XeonBloomfield>jose: I was talking about "screeches" of sound during playback
13:50<XeonBloomfield>jose: argh! Sorry for my English
13:50<XeonBloomfield>jose: not "screeches"
13:50<XeonBloomfield>jose: "squeaks"
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13:50<jose>XeonBloomfield, are u sure that problem its for your english? i think its for me! jajaj
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13:51<XeonBloomfield>jose: "screeches" are "cri cri cri"
13:51<XeonBloomfield>jose: "squeaks" check on ;)
13:52<jose>XeonBloomfield, jjajaja i know now what mean
13:52<jose>XeonBloomfield, too many thanks
13:52<XeonBloomfield>jose: and now you know about what I was talking about? ;P
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13:52<jose>XeonBloomfield, about?
13:52<XeonBloomfield>jose: "squeaks"
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13:52<XeonBloomfield>jose: ;)
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13:53<XeonBloomfield>jose: No problem, have a nice work with sound from your 5.1 speakers ;)
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13:54<jose>XeonBloomfield, i go to test they with the best reggae XD
13:54<XeonBloomfield>jose: ok ;)
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13:59<DYSW>Hey everybody. Got a permission problem. I need Both > chown debian-transmission tdir and chown dan tdir at the same time.
14:00<DYSW>Right now i can only use one at the time. which is very unpractical, i have to ssh into the server each time and do a chown command for what i need
14:00<DYSW>any way around that ?
14:01<OpenTokix>DYSW: groups?
14:01<DYSW>OpenTokix > not sure how to do it with that. Got an idea what a group is though
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14:02<OpenTokix>DYSW: or run the services as the same user
14:02<DYSW>user1 needs access via ftp. user2 is the debian-transmission user that needs write access to the same directory
14:02<OpenTokix>then you create a group, and add both users to that group. Then own the folder with that group andgive them write permissions
14:03<DYSW>Not sure how to attach that group to the transmission daemon though
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14:04<DYSW>hoped for a chown user1 user2 directory but that would be too easy
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14:05<simonlnu>adduser the_daemons_user the_nw_group
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14:06<simonlnu>adduser your_user the_new_group ; *new
14:07<DYSW>Mmm has to use groups if i cant assign two users to the same directory without one
14:09<DYSW>Thx both of you.
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14:10<DYSW>adduser dan debian-transmission and chown debian-transmission tdir didnt work
14:10<simonlnu>you can't without using ACLs
14:10<DYSW>Loggin on with dan via ftp tried to delete a file in that directory. Operation failed
14:11<DYSW>The user got added just fine
14:11<DYSW>Adding user `dan' to group `debian-transmission' ...
14:11<DYSW>Adding user dan to group debian-transmission
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14:11<DYSW>sorry about that
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14:12<simonlnu>you need to chgrp the dir, not chown
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14:12<simonlnu>then mod the permissions
14:13<DYSW>So chgrp instead of adduser +
14:13<simonlnu>no, instead of chown
14:13<DYSW>ahh will try that
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14:14<DYSW>No diff. still cant delete via ftp with the user dan, dan is in the debian-transmission group now.
14:14<simonlnu>did you modify the dir's permissions yet?
14:15<DYSW>Thought that what chown did
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14:15<DYSW>or chgrp now
14:15<simonlnu>it change owner/group/other ownership not permissions
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14:16<DYSW>ahh that makes sense. So i have to run chown afterwards i guess
14:16<scraze>each file and dir has both an owner and a group; for both owner and group you can assign specific permissions (as well as for users that are not owner nor in the group)
14:16<simonlnu>chmod, not chown
14:16<DYSW>scraze < yes i know dan:transmission-grop
14:16<simonlnu>see their respective man pages
14:16<scraze>chown changes which owner or group a file belongs to; chmod changes how this owner or group interacts with the dir or file
14:16<DYSW>chmod i know. usually run chmod -R 777 dir
14:17<simonlnu>and that's not wise at all
14:17<scraze>the last 7 will give (read- and) write access to everyone & anyone
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14:17<simonlnu>you're asking for trouble there
14:17<DYSW>yeah okay. 755 maybe
14:17<DYSW>ahh course
14:17<scraze>that's a lot more sane, but if you want to use groups you need the second 7
14:17<scraze>for writing anyway.
14:17<simonlnu>or 2770 or something of the sort
14:18<simonlnu>and i won't do that recursively either
14:18<simonlnu>wouldn't, rather
14:19<DYSW>Okay. But if i leave out the -R i have to run the chmod command everytime i add a file and wanna delete it afterwards for each file right
14:19<scraze>recursive chmod traverses all files at the moment you execute it; if you add a new file it's not affected by the recursive aspect of chmod
14:19<DYSW>ahh yes of course makes sense.
14:19*TCW suggests DYSW to read on "GNU/Linux filesystem rights and permissions", obtained via google
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14:20<DYSW>Thanks TCW > Sadly that guide has no "Add two users to the same directory" information
14:20<AssLieThat>hacker who
14:20<TCW>DYSW, that was not the name of a guide...
14:20<scraze>if you want files to be added as belonging to a special group or with a specific permission assigned to it, look at umask (for permissions) and the setGID section of chmod's man page (for the owning group)
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14:20<usacomputertec>nodiscc I installed live-build, but so far I'm not seing a way to remaster the existing install.
14:21<usacomputertec>nodiscc like you do with remastersys
14:21<DYSW>scraze > Makes no sens why a command like chown user1 user2 directory doesnt exists. Would have been done hours ago if it had
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14:22<scraze>DYSW: it does make sense but it's a bit hard to explain all the consequences of it.. suffice it to say that adding a group should be very easy and that you can do anything with a group that you can with 2 users (as they are functionally equivalent)
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14:22<simonlnu>DYSW: because it has worked for years, and that's why acls came about, for more complex management of ownership and perms
14:22<DYSW>Adding user1 to user2 groups and granting user2 group access to the directory doesnt work either
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14:22<usacomputertec>it says something about using live-snapshot to remaster
14:23<simonlnu>the vast majority of the time it can be solved using already existing tools without resorting to acls
14:23<usacomputertec>live-snapshot isn't in my repository
14:24<DYSW>If its that easy why cant i figure it out lol. Or anybody here put out a command that just fixes it (Sure i wanna learn, but just to proof how easy it is)
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14:24<simonlnu>understanding the fundamentals is key
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14:26<TCW>DYSW, you proof you have no idea about the general idea behind linux filesystem rights and permissions, why don't you learn a bit about that topic as I suggested a few moments ago? Type that in google and see if you find good documentation that does exploan the TOPIC and not your special problem.
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14:26<scraze>DYSW: try with a test file in /tmp.. make sure both users are in the same group (ie log in, type 'groups', the shared group should be in both outputs), then as user1: touch /tmp/overwritethis; chown :thegroup /tmp/overwritethis; chmod g+w /tmp/overwritethis; and then as user2: echo 'line to insert' > /tmp/overwritethis;
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14:27<DYSW>TCW > Spend hours reading up on it. Didnt work out. I need this box working in 24 hours. No more time
14:27<TCW>after that you will realise how easy it is... or if you need posix ACLs to do what you want.
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14:28<TCW>DYSW, sorry... time limitations are not our problem... and I just don't beleive you did read on "filesystem rights and permissions on GNU/Linux systems" for hours... I learns that stuff in about half an hour, more or less.
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14:28<TCW>learned even... and the rest of typos is free for all :)
14:28<DYSW>Thanks everybody. really, Any idea how to get this done in time if i cant do it myself ?
14:29<TCW>DYSW, pay one to do it for you
14:29<simonlnu>um, already did. and you're missing a part.
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14:29<DYSW>Sure would love to. But something tells me this is not the place to look
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14:30<simonlnu>you're second guessing yourself
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14:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:32<sfsf32>when i try to open a link in icedove by "open link in browser" it doesn't work and in errors console i gei this message:
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14:35<diverguoju>hello, everybody wanted to ask which part of system implements font anti-aliasing? is it desktop environment, or WM?
14:37<MrFrood>diverguoju: I belive font handling is done by X
14:37<simonlnu>cartmanius: /join #debian-es in irc
14:37<simonlnu>diverguoju: stick to one channel please
14:38<diverguoju>simonlnu: okay, yet why dont you stick to one channel? :]
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14:42<TCW>diverguoju, ASK in one channel, give quality support in as many channels as you can ;)
14:43<diverguoju>okay :] clear
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14:46<usacomputertec>I tried getting help in the debian-live irc for live-build but no one seems to be home over there
14:46<usacomputertec>are there any live-build experts here?
14:47<usacomputertec>um it seems dead here too?
14:48<TCW>usacomputertec, every heard the word "idle"? ;)
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14:49<usacomputertec>So far I see how to remaster Debian using live-build, but I don't see how to add custom files to it, like packages that don't install on their own.
14:50<usacomputertec>and user config files
14:50<usacomputertec>with Remastersys you just stick config files in /etc/skel
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14:50<usacomputertec>but live-build seems to ignore that directory, and only pay attention to the build directory
14:50<usacomputertec>and I must say it's much more confusing
14:51<SnitraM>Now when I run "u" in aptitude I get "Encountered a section with no Package: header"
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14:51<SnitraM>Now when I run "u" in aptitude I get "Problem with MergeList"
14:52<usacomputertec>Well sense both rooms appar to be idle I'll sudo make me a sandwitch
14:52<babilen>SnitraM: Known problem -- Hopefully fixed soon
14:52<usacomputertec>I think sudo make me a sandwitch still works in real life ;)
14:53<usacomputertec>unless someone modified the config files for life :)
14:53<babilen>SnitraM: exactly
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14:54<nodiscc>usacomputertec: sorry i missed your message, nope live-build does not work this way, it builds a debian system from scratch (debootstrap). You have to put your config changes in deb packages and install them in the target system
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14:55<usacomputertec>Ok nodiscc, but in the manual page it says you can add files directly to the target iso by putting them somewhere in the configuration directory
14:55<usacomputertec>for the build
14:56<nodiscc>usacomputertec: yes config/chroot_local-includes/ last time i checked, it works too
14:56<usacomputertec>also it says that you have to edit each config file in there by hand to get it to make the user created with the installer in the sudo group
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14:56<usacomputertec>nodiscc so your saying /config/chroot_local-includes/ = /etc/skel ?
14:57<nodiscc>no config/chroot_local-includes/etc/skel/ = /etc/skel/
14:57<nodiscc>but you'd preferably create a skel deb package for this.
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14:58<usacomputertec>nodiscc and where to I read how to go about that?
14:58<nodiscc>about? creating a deb package?
14:58<usacomputertec>a skel deb package
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14:58<devil>usacomputertec: remamstersys and live-build are 2 different animals
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14:59<usacomputertec>devil I know
14:59<usacomputertec>I've never used live-build before I don't think
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15:00<usacomputertec>I guess I'll spend time building it, putting stuff in that file that I want in there
15:00<usacomputertec>instead of building a deb package
15:01<usacomputertec>I want something I can keep changing
15:01<usacomputertec>without compiling some package
15:01<usacomputertec>the only package I would like to compile is a flash player package
15:01<nodiscc>yep start the way you like, it took me 487 revisions to have a satisfying live-build
15:01<usacomputertec>because I know how to get it to work right
15:01<nodiscc>dirty way to create a package: dpkg -b (read man dpkg)
15:02<sfsf32>when i try to open a link in icedove by "open link in browser" it doesn't work and in errors console i gei this message:
15:02<usacomputertec>nodiscc I still can't believe the Mint team didn't try this method with their debian release
15:02<babilen>usacomputertec: As in ?
15:02<usacomputertec>babilen let me check that out
15:03<babilen>usacomputertec: And what does this have to do with mint?
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15:03<usacomputertec>Well Linux Mint has been reading what JULinux (my project) has been planning
15:03<usacomputertec>and doing it before we can
15:04<usacomputertec>every time I even think about doing something they do it first
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15:04<usacomputertec>like using remastersys to make a Debian Mint
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15:04<usacomputertec>I just can't believe they haven't figured this out, they appear to be so much smarter than I am and have more volunteers.
15:05<usacomputertec>instead they gave up on Debian in Mint 12
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15:05<babilen>usacomputertec: Ok, I think that answers my question
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15:06<usacomputertec>babilen :)
15:06<usacomputertec>babilen I'm trying to remaster my current Debian install into JULinux 10
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15:06<Nyx>does someone knows if i can assign some mouse button to the activities button of gnome 3
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15:06<usacomputertec>just like I would with remastersys, except I get to make more custom changes this way ;)
15:07<usacomputertec>Hey I have a question
15:08<usacomputertec>After you make a Debian remaster with this tool, can you set it up to download and install packages from the repos during the install, and not from the disk to save disk space ?
15:09<usacomputertec>nodiscc above statement was for you ;)
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15:14<nodiscc>usacomputertec: sure, there are config options for that.
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15:17<sfsf32>when i try to open a link in icedove by "open link in browser" it doesn't work and in errors console i gei this message:
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15:23<jordanm>sfsf32: in the config editor, what is set to ?
15:23<sfsf32>jordanm, iceweasel
15:24<jordanm>sfsf32: is iceweasel installed?
15:24<sfsf32>yes, and working
15:24<jordanm>sfsf32: what release are you using?
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15:25<sfsf32>jordanm, icedove 3.0.11-1+squee and iceweasel 8.0-3~bpo60+1
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15:29<sfsf32>jordanm, squeeze
15:30<jordanm>sfsf32: no idea. you can try moving your ~/.icedove or ~/.thunderbird dir to see if it is a problem with your configurations
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15:31<sfsf32>jordanm, ok, i will try, thanks
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15:33<sfsf32>jordanm, i found this one: . Then is this a bug still unsolved?
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15:47<jordanm>sfsf32: yeah, that's still unresolved
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15:53<Amarande>hmmm. is it a good idea to download packages from bpo on another box, burn them to a disc and try to install them over on the debian machine, or is that likely to interfere with normal updating to the point that, for the kernel anyway, one might as well just follow the instructions to make one's own kernel package?
15:54<Amarande>apparently, when naamah is rebuilt, it will have a new mobo with a network chip that requires a newer version of the kernel than is on it (and therefore, can't download it from bpo because the machine has no net till AFTER the kernel update).
15:55<Amarande>also, can 3.0 be used as a drop-in replacement for 2.6 on squeeze, or do packages expect 2.6 kernels to the point that they'll complain about unmet dependencies because linux-3.0, not linux-2.6 is installed?
15:55<Amarande>the actual software itself, I checked in the Documentation/Changes file at, all packages in squeeze appear to be new enough to meet the requirements for 3.0
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15:56<jordanm>Amarande: there may be udev issues
15:56<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions:
15:57<Amarande>actually, udev version in squeeze is 164, minimum listed in the Changes file is 081
15:57<pedro>quelcun vu apprendre parler espagnol et me enseigne français
15:58<Amarande>interesting, they're still on 2.6.39 rather than 3.0 or 3.1
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15:58<Amarande>is that in fact because going to 3.0 produces a package naming issue that causes dependency problems?
15:58<Amarande>(as software versions themselves are not a problem, comparing everything in the Changes file to p.d.o)
15:58<jhutchins_lt>Amarande: There are rumors to that effect, but I can't confirm them.
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15:59<Amarande>I'm guessing there's no way for them to fix that by transitioning to a versioning system that allows the kernel package to simply be named linux-image-arch rather than linux-image-x.y-arch?
16:00<Amarande>I'm really not quite sure why x.y needs to be in both the package name *and* the version, that seems a bit ostrich-like to me
16:00<Amarande>and, of course, it's always going to be in the version.
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16:04<Amarande>the freenode folks might know more, but I won't be getting back on freenode till I have the linux box put back together.
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16:20<troll> /j #debian-offtopic
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16:22<mib_b7u4ty>neone understand logs
16:22<mib_b7u4ty>specifically ubuntu logs
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16:51<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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17:03<greedy>what could cause my computer to overheat after switching over to debian?
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17:03<Guest19218>what could cause my computer to overheat after switching over to debian ?
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17:07<Black_Prince>Non-working hardware?
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17:07<Black_Prince>or fan ... to be more precise
17:07<washuu_de>@guest19218: HW-problem befor the change?
17:09<Amarande>The only Linux-specific thing that I can think of is that Linux machines as far as I know never go to sleep by default, while Windows machines do.
17:09<Amarande>So the only reason I can think that Debian can have caused it is that you never used the machine long enough in Windows for it to overheat before you left it idle long enough for it to sleep ...
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17:12<Amarande>Otherwise, it's definitely a pre-existing HW issue.
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17:17<valdyn>its a preexisting hw issue that is exposed by debian, because debian does no cpu/gpu scaling by default
17:18<Amarande>indeed. some software is pretty good at bringing preexisting HW issues to the forefront
17:18<Amarande>I once apparently ran a machine with dodgy RAM for well over a year before getting errors in WoW that were clearly able to expose it (oddly, WoW didn't have such errors prior to the 2.4 patch series)
17:18<valdyn>but that issue really means that its a very bad quality product. Decent laptops will run days or weeks or months or longer on full load at full speed
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17:19<Amarande>the only other thing it did before that was freeze up a lot in Guild Wars after extended play, but that I had always blamed on the video drivers
17:19<scotguy>can i mkae xchat look like invision
17:20<valdyn>scotguy: are we supposed to know invision?
17:20<scotguy>k lol
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17:20<scotguy>im a noob with xchat
17:21<washuu_de>I'd heard of invision. Never used it though
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17:33<jacob_>HEY GUYS
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17:53<CaBa>is there a problem with the lenny repo? an 'apt-get update' on lenny leads to "Problem with Mergelist..." errors
17:53<CaBa>E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
17:53<CaBa>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
17:53<CaBa>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
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17:54<babilen>CaBa: That is a known problem -- AFAIK it is being worked on and it should be fixed soon.
17:55<TCW>damn it... I have several machines now on gnome3 shell / fallback, some do display adwaita correctly, some display the old clearlooks-alike theme... gtk-theme-swtich and gnome-tweak tool are set to adwaita...
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17:58<aleksander__>Hello! Can anybody give me a link to netboot-images of wheezy/testing? When I download the one at , I get one that installs a squeeze-install.
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18:01<ompaul>aleksander__: is the squeeze install in place?
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18:02<babilen>aleksander__: Use the stable installer. I would also recommend to install squeeze first and *then* (if at all) upgrade to wheezy. I am also not sure that you really want to netboot (/msg dpkg netboot) -- Do you mix it up with netinstall?
18:02<babilen>aleksander__: If you have already installed squeeze you can just upgrade (and that is indeed the recommended way) -- The stable installer can install wheezy as well, but you can certainly try the weeklies
18:03<aleksander__>Yes I want to PXE-boot, if that is what you are asking.
18:03<aleksander__>(PXE-boot the installer, then install localy)
18:04<babilen>aleksander__: Ok, great. You've got the correct one then. (A lot of people confound netboot with netinstall) -- You can select the suite to install in d-i's expert mode.
18:04<babilen>aleksander__: Recommendation to install squeeze with the stable installer still stands though
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18:06<aleksander__>How would you go about to upgrade the installation properly?
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18:06<aleksander__>I'm assuming just changing the sources.list-file is going to break something..
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18:07<ompaul>!tell aleksander__ about squeeze->wheezy
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18:10<aleksander__>Thanks for the help! I'll try again.
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18:14<padski>how do I look up the packages that depend on a package I have installed (but want to remove)
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18:16<scraze>padski: if memory serves, apt-cache rdepends packagename
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18:17<padski>scraze, thanks!
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18:18<TCW> <--- oops? How can something like that happen in the first place? Isn't there a mechanism that checks if a filename is already used by another package?!
18:18<padski>I remembered rdepends, but then apt-rdepends doesn't do this!
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18:20<grummund>Hi, How can one copy contents of dir /foo/bar to dir /foo/baz without using shell filename globbing?
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18:31<scraze>grummund: tricky one. Without going into /foo/bar and cp -R'ing ./, I'd turn to rsync -a a/ b/
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18:38<grummund>scraze: thanks. actually i need to do this via scp
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18:39<grummund>problem is the remote dir has several thousand files in it
18:40<scraze>ah, and you're probably in a situation where you have to pull - can't push from remote dir to here?
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18:41<grummund>perhaps it's not so easy... and i can find another workaround.
18:42<scraze>mwel, scp can do recursive copies as well, so you can just specify the directory and it'll figure out the files init ; scp -r remote:/path/a/./ /local/path/b/
18:43<scraze>the trailing "./" in the first path is because otherwise it copies the directory 'a' to /local/path/b/a/ as well, that's a hacky solution
18:44<grummund>ah, thanks. i think that's what i was looking for.
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19:29<Guest19218>anyone know a good way to burn ts files to playable dvd ?
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19:31<usacomputertec>if you get your files rendered in vob
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19:31<usacomputertec>all you have to do is find a program that splits it into 1 GB files
19:31<usacomputertec>and creates an AUDIO_TS
19:31<usacomputertec>and VIDEO_TS
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19:32<Guest19218>if it's alread in 1 gb files ?
19:32<Guest19218>and vob ?
19:33<Guest19218>and which files are the video and which are the audio ?
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19:33<Guest19218>i've got .ifo, .bup and .vob
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19:34<Guest19218>and some of them are <1gb
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19:47<Guest19218>has anyone else heard of iceweasel having leaks or something, i can sometimes catch it taking up 80% of the cpu
19:47<ya4>Yeah, its also frequently caused by plugins, too.
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19:49<usacomputertec>vob are the video and audio and can be put into VIDEO_TS
19:49<usacomputertec>but it's best to have a DVD program make the thing
19:49<Guest19218>any recommendations ? :p
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19:50<Guest19218>@ya4, so would you think it more prudent to only use iceweasel if I have to or try to figure out which plugin has caused it ?
19:51<Guest19218>thanks for the answers btw guys
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19:52<usacomputertec>let me see what Debian has to offer Guest
19:53<Guest19218>thanks :P
19:54<babilen>Guest19218: might want to try a newer IW version from
19:55<usacomputertec>guest19218 devede is what i'd use
19:55<Guest19218>can i get it through the package manager ?
19:56<usacomputertec>I checked
19:56<Guest19218>hmm when i search "devede" nothing turns up, odd :/
19:57<ml|>dpkg: info devede
19:59<ml|>thought dpkg handled info... dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. <dpkg> Package 'devede' does not exist.
19:59<Black_Prince>judd: info devede
19:59<judd>No package named 'devede' was found in squeeze/i386.
19:59<Guest19218>hmm soo when i search dpkg: info devede it says already installed, so how do i run it ?
20:00<babilen>,versions devede
20:00<judd>Package: devede on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.12c-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 3.16.9-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 3.17.0-0.0; sid-multimedia: 3.19.0-0.0
20:00<Guest19218>srry for being such a noob ^^
20:00<usacomputertec>I'll find it
20:00<usacomputertec>oh to run it type devede I think
20:00<Guest19218>command not found
20:01<compgrokker>Guest19218: i think dpkg is telling you info is installed
20:01<ml|>Black_Prince: ok and I should have used versions instead :)
20:01<Guest19218>ok lol so how do i make the motherfucker work haha
20:01<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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20:02<babilen>handle with care
20:02<Guest19218>!dmm squeeze
20:02<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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20:05<Guest19218>ok so now i've run that command , then what lol
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20:05<Black_Prince>dpkg: lol
20:05<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
20:05<usacomputertec>Good question is how I add the POL repo and key
20:05<Black_Prince>Well, now install the program and profit.
20:06<usacomputertec>I tried following the directions
20:06<usacomputertec>in the terminal
20:06<Guest19218>soo.... make install ?
20:07<Guest19218>gimme a break HAHA , new to this nix shit HAHA
20:07*Black_Prince wonders why is so hard to add repo when everything is explained on their site.
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20:08<Black_Prince>Guest19218: If you have run the command sucessfully, then apt-get install devede
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20:12<Guest19218>YAY I WIN lol
20:12<Guest19218>thanks black prince ! now .... if you don't mind can you explain to me what all the stuff i just did was lol
20:14<usacomputertec>Guest191218 first you woke up today, and decided to try some Linux stuff, then you got confused, and went to an IRC channel
20:14<usacomputertec>there you decided to ask for help
20:14<usacomputertec>then you got the help
20:14<usacomputertec>and it worked
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20:15<usacomputertec>apt-get installs stuff
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20:15<Black_Prince>dpkg: repository
20:15<dpkg>A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at . Ask me about <list repositories>.
20:15<Guest19218>lol yes, but i'd prefer to not have to rely on mr.usacomputertec for everything lol
20:15<Guest19218>apt is just basically a command line synaptic?
20:15<usacomputertec>synaptic is the GUI for apt
20:15<daemonkeeper>synaptic is a graphical apt.
20:16<Guest19218>ok, and synaptic comes with the distro correct ?
20:16<daemonkeeper>So does apt.
20:16<usacomputertec>I hope so lol
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20:16<Guest19218>how can you search apt then without the gui?
20:16<Black_Prince>synaptic is not part of standard system. However it does come as part of full gnome desktop.
20:16<daemonkeeper>apt-cache search.
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20:17<Guest19218>aww i see....
20:17<Guest19218>and can somebody tell me wth kde is ? lol
20:18<Black_Prince>it is Kool Desktop Environment
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20:18<Guest19218>so it's like gnome ?
20:18<Black_Prince>gnome is desktop, kde is desktop but difference is huge
20:18<Guest19218>kde is better i'm guessing ?
20:18<usacomputertec>Guest19218 I may get shot for saying this but gnome is much more stable and supports more software than kde does
20:19<Black_Prince>Bleh, I was wondering why everything is soo slow ... Then I realised that I wanted to go to sleep and scaled down cpu frequency to 700MHz -.-
20:19<usacomputertec>even if it doesn't support software without kde it installs kde stuff too
20:19<Black_Prince>Not quite true ...
20:19<usacomputertec>Like I said I may get shot for saying that
20:19<Guest19218>hmm i've tried installing kde stuff, but it doesn't have a little image next to it when i try to open it
20:19<usacomputertec>but in my experience it is true
20:19<Black_Prince>gnome 2 in squeeze could be more stable than kde in squeeze ... But I don't think that's the case in testing/sid
20:19<Guest19218>why the hype on kde then usa ?
20:20<usacomputertec>Guest19218 because it looks pretty
20:20<usacomputertec>just like one of those lamps flies fly into
20:20<Guest19218>ok lol
20:20<Guest19218>and isn't it possible to have both or no ?
20:20<Amarande>that reminds me, does KDE allow for one's choice of window managers?
20:20<usacomputertec>Yes you can
20:20<usacomputertec>Guest19218 you can have both interfaces
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20:21<usacomputertec>and switch when you log in
20:21<Amarande>apparently, one of the big things going sour with Gnome in the future is that they have decided that choice of things like window manager hurts rather than helps the desktop environment
20:21<usacomputertec>It just uses more disk space
20:21<Guest19218>i think at one point i tried to install kde but for some reason one of my discs wouldn't work lol which is strange cause they worked fine to install it im guessing
20:21<usacomputertec>KDE use to be my favorite because it worked more like XP
20:21<Amarande>IOW, they pretty much imply that the lack of choice in e.g. Windows actually is essential to the success of that environment
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20:23<Guest19218>so the things i can't click on in my applications, are kde programs ?
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20:24<usacomputertec>Guest19218 that could be the case, but I thought that wasn't a problem in Debian
20:24<Guest19218>well some of them open up but some of them i click and nothing happens lol
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20:24<usacomputertec>Guest19218 some times you have to reboot or log in and out to see the icons in your menu after installing apps,
20:24<usacomputertec>Guest19218 but that almost never happens
20:24<babilen>err, no
20:25<usacomputertec>babilen I've had that happen with a couple programs
20:25<Guest19218>hmm it's happened a lot and i reboot all the time, cause for some reason since i switched to this i overheat alot lol
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20:25<usacomputertec>Guest19218 maybe your brain is overheating. I suggest liquid cooling, oh wait you already have that.
20:26<Guest19218>i've got a problem with this thing, that i bet even you can't solve lol
20:26<usacomputertec>Even me?
20:26<usacomputertec>Who am I
20:26<Guest19218>i've got audio in headphone jack but nada on speakers lol
20:26<Guest19218>aparently you're americas computer tech ;)
20:26<usacomputertec>oh lol
20:27<usacomputertec>Guest19218 well that can be easy to solve
20:27<usacomputertec>do you have an HDMI port on your computer?
20:27<usacomputertec>Guest19218 good
20:27<usacomputertec>let me see if I can give you a prescription
20:27<usacomputertec>it will require a reboot
20:27<usacomputertec>but should give you control over your sound
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20:28*scraze coughs up the word "amixer"
20:28<pumafyre>babilen: I got gnome-session running
20:28<Guest19218>hmm lol
20:28<babilen>pumafyre: great
20:28<usacomputertec>Guest19218 are you using XCHAT?
20:28<pumafyre>babilen: how do I get it to boot into gdm by default?
20:29<usacomputertec>coming to you
20:29<pumafyre>or boot into gnome?
20:29<usacomputertec>Guest19218 can you accept my file?
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20:29<babilen>pumafyre: gdm/gdm3 should be started by default when it is installed
20:29<Guest19218>i can, but i'm pretty sure i shouldn't lol
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20:29<usacomputertec>Guest19218 it's a file to remove PulseAudio and install ALSA
20:30<usacomputertec>it should fix your sound
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20:30<Guest19218>o lol , i have alsa
20:30<usacomputertec>but you also have Pulse
20:30<blast007>shouldn't need a file to do that.
20:30<usacomputertec>It's a script
20:30<pumafyre>babilen: ok thank you
20:30<usacomputertec>do I have to pastebin
20:30<Guest19218>please lol
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20:30<usacomputertec>~Bangs head against computer~
20:31<Guest19218>this is the interwebs :P
20:31<babilen>usacomputertec: I have no idea what you are trying to do, but it certainly doesn't require a script to remove PA -- There are also plethora of setups that work fine with P
20:31<usacomputertec>babilen this is a quick fix I invented
20:31<babilen>usacomputertec: PA and it might be worth a try to just check the mixer levels or the actual status first
20:31<usacomputertec>babilen sure but I doubt he can
20:31<Guest19218>im pretty sure i can
20:31<usacomputertec>I don't think PulseAudio will give him that much control
20:32<babilen>Then take your time to help, explain and provide support.
20:32<usacomputertec>Guest19218 give it a try
20:32<Guest19218>just like the master, pcm levels correct ?
20:32<usacomputertec>Well clearly babilen knows way more than I do so ask him
20:33<scraze>pulseaudio can't work without alsa so any install with pulseaudio has alsa; also, you can disable PA in the ways it was designed: for system-wide PA, PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=0 in /etc/default/pulseaudio; for user PA sessions, echo 'autospawn = no' >> ~/.pulse/client.conf
20:33<usacomputertec>Guest19218 if after you do what babilen says it doesn't work contact me
20:33<babilen>I am not implying that and am also quite tired. I merely wanted to point out that removing PA does *not* require Guest19218 to download a script from random people and execute it as root.
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20:34<usacomputertec>Guess I'm too old school for the rest of you guys, I used Linux before PulseAudio and it worked a whole lot better
20:34<Guest19218>well pastebin your script? and the guys here can take a look-see at it ?
20:35<usacomputertec>why not
20:35<scraze>personally I agree with not using PA, but removing it is not a good idea (in squeeze it may not hurt much but for instance in testing it removes gnome as well, since it now depends on PA)
20:35<usacomputertec>I feel it's a waste for me to pastebin a script if you all think I'm crazy
20:35<Guest19218>well is there a better way you would recommend scraze ?
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20:36<scraze>I don't think you're crazy :p there are just many ways to go about this and I think disabling PA through its own configurations to test settings is the safest way to go
20:36<usacomputertec>it wasn't designed for Debian just so you know
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20:36<usacomputertec>but it still gets the job done
20:37<scraze>hrm, doesn't esound do PA-like stuff?
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20:37<usacomputertec>I used that script sense Ubuntu 8.04 whenever sound wouldn't work with Pulse
20:37<usacomputertec>Makes me mad when my Inputs on my computer don't work
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20:37<Guest19218>me too , it's sooo annoying
20:38<usacomputertec>For instance I use Pulse but if I plug my guitar into my input in the back I don't get any sound, yet I can record it in Audacity
20:38<usacomputertec>HOwever if I use ALSA and don't force Skype to use ALSA instead of Pulse it won't work
20:38<usacomputertec>so it's a loose loose situation
20:38<usacomputertec>ALSA works better, but everything is made for Pulse now
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20:39<usacomputertec>ALSA has better hardware detection and support, but when HDMI is present it makes that the default and nothing works.
20:39<openeye>Hello all, I have an issue with updating the packagelists.
20:39<openeye>I get
20:39<pumafyre>babilen: how did you learn all this stuff anyway? :)
20:39<openeye>E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
20:39<openeye>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
20:39<openeye>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
20:39<usacomputertec>One time a guy tried to get me to switch to OSS and that was a mess
20:39<Guest19218>but i don't have hdmi
20:39<usacomputertec>Yes good for you Guest19218
20:39<openeye>rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
20:39<babilen>pumafyre: Experimenting, work, time ...
20:40<openeye>doesnt help
20:40<usacomputertec>I'm talking aobut the problem in general
20:40<pumafyre>openeye: what country are you in?
20:40<Guest19218>so i should still do this pulse thing?
20:40<babilen>openeye: Known issue, we are aware of it, should be fixed soon. (hopefully)
20:40<pumafyre>babilen: mostly time :)
20:40<openeye>but the server is located in the Netherlands
20:40<pumafyre>ahh ok
20:40<usacomputertec>Guest19218 go ahead and try babilen's way
20:40<openeye>ow ok
20:40<usacomputertec>see if you can configure your PulseAudio to work
20:40<Guest19218>he didn't have one lol
20:40<scraze>Guest19230: certainly for this specific problem you'll have to look at alsa'
20:40<usacomputertec>Guest19218 ya he did
20:41<scraze>oh no, wrong copmletion :/ sorry Guest19230
20:41<usacomputertec>his way was to go to your PulseAudio volume control and see if you could make it work
20:41<openeye>ok installing from source then, sigh, thanks for the quick response
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20:41<usacomputertec>Guest19218 If I understood him correctly
20:41<Guest19218>i wasn't even aware i had pulseaudio lol
20:41<usacomputertec>Guest19218 but I doubt if you will have that kind of control with Pulse's audio control
20:42<Guest19218>so will alsa work ?
20:42<scraze>Guest19218: for this specific issue which comes down to be able to find and manipulate soundcard controls (specifically output switch) I'd suggest running the alsa-info script so we can have a detailed look: wget -O /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; chmod 700 /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; alsa-info # it will ask to upload or save locally, choose upload to get an url you can hand us
20:42<usacomputertec>Guest19218 yes Y@U MUST HAVE PULSE, L@@K Into My EYES ! You are getting sleepy. Pulse Audio is the future, nothing else works, You must use it lol
20:42<openeye>Hmm isnt there a work around for this problem?
20:42<usacomputertec>Guest19218 Pulse comes installed in everything
20:43<usacomputertec>Guest19218 did ALSA work before PulseAudio was invented? Yes it will work.
20:44<usacomputertec>Guest19218 the only problem is that some times you have to tell programs to use ALSA
20:44<usacomputertec>if they use Pulse by default
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20:44<ladoga|x41>quite rare i'd say
20:45<usacomputertec>skype is such a program
20:45<pumafyre>babilen: is there a way to remove the default icons from the gnome desktop from the command line?
20:45<usacomputertec>Guest19218 why did you post that link?
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20:46<pumafyre>babilen: I installed gnome-session but I don't think I have gconf-editor installed
20:46<Guest19218>scraze told me to so you all could have a look ?
20:46<scraze>yes, I'm looking :]
20:46*ladoga|x41 has had nothing but trouble with PA
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20:48<ladoga|x41>default installs. debian or ubuntu always without sound if pulse is installed. alsa only, just works. might be something to do with my SB audigy sound card
20:49<usacomputertec>ladoga|x41 probably
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20:50<scraze>Guest19218: looks like the kernel recognizes enough of the card to make use of it, but not the exact codec and as such more complex controls are missing (both in simple controls and the slightly more complex controls)
20:50<ladoga|x41>usacomputertec: well it's just personal experience. i have no need for its complexity either. your mileage may vary
20:50<scraze>Guest19218: is the hardware by any chance relatively new?
20:51<Guest19218>it came with install, if that's what you mean ?
20:51<Guest19218>i mean it is relatively new
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20:52<scraze>I believe a few weeks ago someone came by with the same soundcard, in his case a backported kernel helped out
20:52<Guest19218>lol a what....?
20:52<scraze>Guest19218: do you have a line for squeeze's backport repository in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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20:53<Amarande>odd, I have an Audigy and haven't ever had problems with sound in Linux
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20:53<Amarande>btw, is there support yet in linux for the Intel Z68 chipset onboard sound?
20:54<scraze>Guest19218: if not (sure), do /msg dpkg bdo to get some instructions (I could guide you through but dpkg is a tireless bot, so try him first ;])
20:54<Guest19218>lol ok
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20:54<ladoga|x41>Amarande: Audigu 2 ZS here
20:55<Guest19218>how do i check that line tho ?
20:55<Amarande>mainly, am wondering if I can do away with the Audigy yet or if I am going to need it to get sound in Debian still
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20:56<ladoga|x41>Amarande: either sound quality is worse than with alsa only (crackles now and then) or in last try few months back no sound at all
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20:56<Amarande>well, actually I did have one strange problem with sound in Linux but I blamed it on Flash
20:56<scraze>Amarande: I have a quite generic integrated soundcard ([8086:3b56]), if you can survive such sound quality then you'll be fine with just alsa
20:57<Amarande>Apparently, if you load a Flash video in Gnash on an Audigy in Squeeze, it causes VLC to no longer address the sound card correctly and you get weirded out sound till you restart VLC
20:57<ladoga|x41>alsa gives ok quality for problems
20:57<ladoga|x41>oss4 sounded maybe bit better..or maybe it was placebo :)
20:57<scraze>Guest19218: whoops, didn't notice your question. Any user can read that file (you need superuser permissions to write to it though), so any editor will do
20:58<scraze>Guest19218: and even faster would be to just do "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
20:58<Guest19218>ok lol i kept hitting enter and was like wtf lol
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21:02<Guest19218>ok so i catted that file scraze
21:03<scraze>Guest19218: a line for backports would look like this: deb squeeze-backports main
21:03<Guest19218>nope nothing like that
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21:04<scraze>then you'll have to have a talk with dpkg ;] /msg dpkg bdo
21:04<Guest19218>i am , i just don't know how to add the line lol
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21:05<scraze>ha :D ok. That guide is so short anyway, I'll guide you
21:05<Guest19218>thx :P
21:05<scraze>as root or with sudo, open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor
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21:05<Guest19218>how do i go "as root" lmao
21:05<scraze>if you haven't gotten familiar with an editor yet, nano should be easy to use; sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:06<pabs>how can I find out why Linux thinks my USB keyboard is both a joystick and a keyboard?
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21:07<scraze>well.. how do you do stuff for which you do root permissions :P ? Normally you can do things through sudo with your users password if you're in the sudoers list (which is defined in /etc/sudoers) or by switching to root with su - with root's own password
21:08<Amarande>I've pretty much always used su personally :)
21:08<Amarande>It's convenient, easy, and I don't have to worry about sudo wrestling. heh
21:08<scraze>Amen to that.
21:08<Amarande>... did I really just say "sudo wrestling".
21:08<Amarande>(by which I mean, figuring out exactly how to make the sudoers file do what you want it to do)
21:08<Guest19218>gosh I'm confused lol :(
21:09<Amarande>You know what I *really* have never grasped the idea of though?
21:09<scraze>Guest19218: You'll get through! :} stuck at the editor?
21:09<Guest19218>i can see the file i want to write to , but can't lol
21:09<Amarande>I've seen some webpages that will say to get root by doing "sudo su"
21:09<Amarande>why not just su?
21:09<scraze>Guest19218: did you open it with that sudo nano line?
21:09<Guest19218>ok so su then what ..
21:09<Guest19218>yes but i couldn't figure out how to save
21:10<scraze>Amarande: I believe installs like Ubuntu by default don't hand you the root password, so sudo su is the only way to switch to root
21:10<scraze>Guest19218: the character "^" at the bottom stands for the Ctrl-key, so to write: Ctrl-O, then to exit: Ctrl-X
21:11<Guest19218>lol i did both of those , just not together lmao
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21:12<Amarande>wow, ubuntu doesn't give people the chance to create a root password at install. wow. I knew there was a reason I don't use it :)
21:12<ratnick>sudoers is easy
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21:12<ratnick>open visudo, add username under root
21:12<Guest19218>how do i open nano again ? lol
21:12<scraze>Amarande: actually I'm not sure if that is still the case or if that install I came across was an exception :] but it would fit the general theme of removing options to make things 'simpler'
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21:13<ratnick>have screenshot of mine to
21:13<ratnick>DONT use NANO for sudoers. Use visudo
21:13<scraze>Guest19218: sudo to execute the following command with root permissions which you need to write, nano <filename> to open <filename> with nano: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:16<babilen>"adduser USER sudo" → /msg dpkg sudoers
21:16<Guest19218>this shouldn't be this damn hard lmao
21:17<scraze>Guest19218: editing files allows you to virtually do anything, including coding kernel drivers.. so take this hurdle ;]
21:17<Guest19218>deb squeeze-backports main ^O ^X
21:17<Guest19218>is that what i post ?
21:18<scraze>if by 'post' you mean 'should feed into nano to write the line, save the file and exit', then yes ;]
21:19<Guest19218>it doesn't do anything lol
21:19<scraze>are you sure you're doing Ctrl-O with the O from Oregon, not the 0 from 01234 :P?
21:20<scraze>although I guess the X is quite hard to confuse, so perhaps the question should be whether you're using Ctrl instead of the ^-character (which isn't related to any of this)
21:20<Guest19218>lmao, yes i am, god im a dumbass
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21:21<scraze>oh well, I had a similarly slow start - it's just covered up by years of slow progress
21:22<Guest19218>done, lol whats sad is that i new ^ = shift key lmao
21:22<scraze>by shift you mean control ?
21:23<Guest19218>yes god lol O.O lol
21:23<scraze>:p ok, so now if you cat /etc/apt/sources.list it has the line as it should be? (no trailing ^O ^X there ;)?)
21:23<Guest19218>doesn't help that im on like an hours sleep today either lol
21:24<scraze>ah, sleep deprivation is one of the easiest way to lose your cognitive faculties ;]
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21:24<Guest19218>yes the line is there but it looks like it's commented out ?
21:24<scraze>you mean there's a # in front of it ?
21:25<scraze>that's no good. Remove it with nano :}?
21:25<Guest19218>none of the other lines , say deb-src they all just say deb
21:25<Guest19218>lmao here we go... xD
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21:26<scraze>just to be sure, lets have a look using pastebinit to automatically pastebin the file: sudo apt-get install pastebinit # in case it's not yet installed, and then pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list # will give you an url on where /etc/apt/sources.list was uploaded
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21:32<scraze>oh my, that's a mess.
21:33<Guest19218>:( lol
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21:33<Guest19218>how do i fix it?
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21:36<scraze>Guest19218: well first of all, where is the backports line :P? secondly there are 3 lines for debian/ squeeze main, you only need 1 (the one should be good), and third I'm not sure how much you'll benefit from using the cd-rom - but I guess it won't hurt
21:36<Guest19218>what you mean ? lol
21:37<scraze>Guest19218: which one?
21:37<Guest19218>the third one lol
21:38<scraze>oh well, I guess stable doesn't change that quickly so maybe a CD helps, I guess dpkg can figure out how to use it effectively
21:38<Guest19218>are you saying that i don't have to use all these dvds ? ............................................
21:39<scraze>but it sure is a nasty sight to behold ;]
21:39<scraze>I'm used to downloading all packages, but that's also because I'm using testing for which a CD makes very little sense as packages are regularly updating
21:40<Guest19218>are you saying that i don't have to use all these dvds....
21:40<scraze>so if you want to save bandwidth the dvds make sense, but you can also comment/remove those lines and then apt will automatically get your packages from the other lines
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21:41<scraze>well if you're planning to go underground without any internet access for a while.. then the DVDs make sense :s
21:41<Guest19218>thats some fucking bullshit lol
21:41<Guest19218>im sooooo pissed
21:41<Guest19218>ohhhh ok , now i know why i did that......
21:41<Guest19218>so how do i fix it ?
21:42<scraze>I'm sorry to hear that :o
21:42<Amarande>Speaking of DVDs, I've read something that Linux users may have cause to celebrate for in the near future
21:42<Guest19218>a movie ?
21:42<scraze>as I said the DVDs are probably not a problem, but if you still want to get rid of it, just comment the lines by putting a # in front or remove the lines (but perhaps make a backup of sources.list first so you could put it back if you want to)
21:43<Amarande>I read on Ars that they're apparently actually doing a review at the US Copyright Office to determine if things like DeCSS should be allowed for interoperability purposes as an exception to the DMCA
21:43<Amarande>(Only for DVDs, though, apparently, not Blu-Ray.)
21:44<Amarande>It appears to have been prompted by a large public sentiment towards the idea of being allowed to rip their DVDs to play on portable devices like tablets
21:44<Guest19218>oh lol , i just pirate.
21:45<Guest19218>ok so i need to basically know what lines tooo keep haha
21:45<Guest19218>i want it nice and neat
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21:45<scraze>Guest19218: since you're handling /etc/apt/sources.list, it's a good time to look at two other things: non-free part of the repositories, and multimedia repositories ; those contain things that do not fit the DFSG for truely free software, but still often useful things such as firmware and codecs
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21:46<jackle86>Doesn't, like, ANYONE play on Odamex Nitro server?
21:46<Guest19218>DFSG ?
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21:47<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see
21:47<Guest19218>hmmm ok, what makes them not truely free ?
21:47<Guest19218>just not being open source or something ?
21:47<Amarande>oh wow, odamex. that reminds me, I was going to install that on naamah next week when I actually get things put back together.
21:48<scraze>that licensing stuff always scares me, so I can't answer that properly ;] there are even things like gcc-doc being in non-free because the documentation itself contains sections of text which cannot be changed, and thus aren't "open"
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21:49<Guest19218>hmm, i see lol so what should my sources.list look like then ?
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21:53<scraze>Guest19218: working on it, give me a minute :p
21:53<Guest19218>ok lol it just occured to me that you don't know who i am
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21:58<scraze>I believe this is a suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for squeeze: but would appreciate it if lurking Squeezers can correct me :] particularly on 1. the update sources - some changes happened around squeeze and I tend to get confused; 2. having contrib non-free for backports and security updates; not sure if those exist at all but afaik no harm done if they don't?
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22:00<scraze>also I left out the proposed-updates because those don't seem suitable for novice user
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22:01<Guest19218>what proposed updates ?
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22:02<daemonkeeper>I do not see a problem at all with proposed-updates
22:02<scraze>daemonkeeper: dpkg says that "They may also cause problems."
22:03<scraze>which is the only thing I'm going on ;]
22:03<daemonkeeper>what says that?
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22:03<dpkg>stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. They require extensive testing before being accepted, but these can be acquired and used to test upcoming/fixed packages. They may also cause problems. . See also <testing-proposed-updates>.
22:03<twiizer>Can someone help me get Java On Ubuntu?
22:03<sney>!ubuntuirc twiizer
22:03<dpkg>twiizer: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
22:03<daemonkeeper>proposed-updates is no problem at all. As soon as it hits s-p-u it will _very_ likely reach the next point release anyway.
22:04<scraze>daemonkeeper: ok, I'll add that :]
22:05<daemonkeeper>Yet a package in s-p-u needs a careful patch for a serious bugfix being acknowledged by a stable release manager.
22:05<Guest19218>curious as to why you put non-free for all of them ?
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22:06<scraze>Guest19218: that's the main reason I'm asking for rectifications - you need them for the base repository if you want them at all, but then it seems to me that you would also need to be able to get updates of all varieties for them, so I added them for the other lines .. not sure if that logic holds
22:07<daemonkeeper>non-free is entirely another story.
22:07<Amarande>you know, if text "not being able to be changed" makes something non-free
22:07<Amarande>wouldn't that make all of Debian non-free?
22:07<Amarande>After all, you're not allowed to change the text of the GPL, which is included with pretty much every package
22:08<scraze>daemonkeeper: would that logic hold for contrib?
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22:08<scraze>Amarande: I know nothing but would think that the license itself is not subject to the content of said license
22:08<daemonkeeper>freeness in the sense of non-free means free speech, not free beer. The DFSG guarantees the former not the latter
22:08<daemonkeeper>And non-free is not part of Debian. strictly speaking.
22:09<daemonkeeper>It's software packages for use in Debian, hosted by Debian but not part of Debian
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22:09<daemonkeeper>contrib on the other hand is free software depending on non-free software to be useful
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22:10<scraze>daemonkeeper: trying to soak it up but still can't translate to pragmatic actions :] so don't be offended by;
22:10<scraze>sources.list with proposed updates:
22:11<Guest19218>so what's the benefit of non-free then ?
22:11<Guest19218>they are updated more often?
22:12<daemonkeeper>Amarande: And no, your point is not legit. You can happily modify the GPL and call it whatever you like. You would be generating a GPL deriviative license. That said you still need to obey the original license for your derivative work.
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22:12<arand>Guest19218: non-free contains things which are not "free as in freedom"
22:12<daemonkeeper>Guest19218: No, it's just non-free. Value yourself whether your need that.
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22:12<arand>Guest19218: In theory, there are only cons with non-free ;)
22:13<Amarande>daemon: I mean in the context of a given Debian package, you're not allowed to alter the text of the GPL that's attached to someone else's package and then try to distribute it under the modified licence, right?
22:13<Guest19218>oh lol so am i being recommended them so my dumbass don't screw shit up ? lol
22:13<Amarande>therefore, in the context of a package, "COPYING" is an immutable file - so if gcc-doc is non-free wouldn't that make most packages so by dint of that?
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22:14<scraze>Guest19218: non-free contains for example firmware, which some hardware needs to run properly
22:14<Amarande>BTW, speaking of GPL and things related thereto, any of you hear about the Rybka scandal?
22:14<Guest19218>ahh i see lol
22:14<Guest19218>so now to applying this stuffs :P
22:15<sney>the gpl is not immutable, but in being modified it ceases to be the gpl and at the very least would have to be re-approved
22:15<daemonkeeper>Amarande: You are perfectly allowed to do so. As I say, that does not give you the right to do whatever you want, you know by forming a GPL deriviative your stuff infers a strong copyleft in it.
22:15<daemonkeeper>As sney says, your new license must be GPL compatible.
22:15<Amarande>Rybka was the world's strongest chess player, stronger even than the strongest human player. It was banned permanently from the World Computer Chess Championship this year after it was discovered that its authors are believed to have violated the GPL and other open source licences in its development.
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22:16<Guest19218>so scraze, i should delete everything but you last pastebinned ?
22:16<scraze>guys, does look good to you? I tried it here and get no Err's on apt-get update
22:16<Amarande>It's a closed source commercial chess engine that, apparently, based on analysis of its chess game play has been pretty conclusively determined by the WCCC tournament officials to have position evaluation functions that were derived from GPL software
22:16<daemonkeeper>Amarande: Note, as of Debian's point of view GPL (or licenses with a copyleft) aren't the only ones considered free. Other people beg to disagree.
22:17<Amarande>and from other open source software (in fact, it is thought that Rybka can't even be released legitimately as open source software either now, because it is thought to include code from two different engines with conflicting licence requirements.)
22:17<sney>scraze: looks kosher to me
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22:18<scraze>hooray :] Guest19218, I think we have a green light.
22:18<Amarande>Basically, one package it derives from has an open source licence that requires restrictions be placed on the user's ability to exploit the program commercially ... another package it derives from is GPL.
22:18<Guest19218>yay !!! :P
22:18<Amarande>Pretty much a catch-22 there that means it has to be binned and redone from scratch by its devs ...
22:19<Guest19218>also, you'd be proud of me, i managed to open a much easier for me to work with text editor without you having to drag me through it lol
22:19<Guest19218>and it's applied
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22:20<Guest19218>how do i do that pastebin command again ?
22:20<scraze>Guest19218: well congrats :}! pastebinit <filename> -> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
22:20<daemonkeeper>Note, Debian does not /hold/ any copyright (or -left. Depending on your vocabulary), but GPL violations are subject to the respective owners. For Debian on the distributability within Debian itself counts.
22:21*scraze notes "distributability" as an awesome word for Gallows
22:22<scraze>Guest19218: looks good! Now do apt-get update to make your system / apt aware of the new package lists
22:22<scraze>sudo apt-get update that is
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22:23<Guest19218>W: Duplicate sources.list entry squeeze/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_squeeze_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
22:23<Guest19218>W: Duplicate sources.list entry squeeze/non-free amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_squeeze_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages)
22:23<Guest19218>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
22:23<Guest19218>when i ran again , it went clean.
22:24<scraze>interesting, haven't seen that one.. but if it says so, should be good
22:24<daemonkeeper>bad Guest19218. Now you disclosed to be using unsupported repositories.
22:24<Guest19218>is that illegal or something?
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22:24<scraze>then add a key for the multimedia repository (it's not automatically trusted) : aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring
22:25<daemonkeeper>Depends on your country.
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22:25<daemonkeeper>At least some packages in dmm are "problematic".
22:25<scraze>whoops, now that's something I failed to remember
22:25<Guest19218>why are they illegal ?
22:26<Guest19218>should i continue ?
22:26<Amarande>Guest: In many countries, patent restrictions.
22:26<Amarande>There's also the DMCA in some cases, particularly that of DeCSS.
22:27<Guest19218>what does "not automatically trusted " mean
22:28<Amarande>DeCSS is still illegal in the USA, although Ars Technica has indicated that is going to come under review in the near future. Interesting, since the MPAA has always sought to forbid it - I suppose it may have to do with the fact that the MPAA is now moving away from DVD in favour of Blu-ray
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22:28<Amarande>and that the customer base is clamouring to be able to play their movies on diskless portable computer type devices like tablets
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22:29<scraze>Guest19218: the multimedia repository is the only one that's not hosted by Debian itself, which means you have to tell apt that you trust it as a source of packages, or else it will ask you for each package you want to install from that repository that you're sure you want to install it
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22:29<scraze>Guest19230: the only one > from your current /etc/apt/sources.list, there are many others
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22:31<Guest19218>and how do i do that ? and many other whats?
22:31<hectormgerardo>hi all, i need help :D
22:31<scraze>Guest19218: do what to what now :]? next step would be to install a backported kernel
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22:32<Guest19218>gosh you hurt my brains :P , now explain what we just did over private message and also what a backported kernel is please ? xD
22:32<scraze>not sure what would be the best method to do that, perhaps apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64
22:33<scraze>heh :] on PM you showed me the output of apt which said that the keyring package is already installed, so it should trust packages from the multimedia repository now
22:34<daemonkeeper>Fortunately not everyone cares about MPAA's opinion or the DMCA respectively.
22:34<Guest19218>good cause me neither lmao, wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not
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22:34<Guest19218>so now somebody tell me what the hell i've just done, im excited haha
22:35<scraze>a backported kernel in this case is a kernel from, backports.d.o is a repository that contains packages that have been backported.. which means that they are newer versions with the code changed to fit squeeze retro-actively, afaik
22:35<scraze>Guest19218: the licenses & rights thing is probably something to figure out if you're in the US :/ I just don't know anything about it
22:36<Guest19218>anybody else know anything about the us position on this ?
22:36<scraze>if you want to play it on safe, just comment the multimedia line out for now (# in front of the line in /etc/apt/sources.list) and do apt-get update again, that way you won't be using the repository (it won't automatically remove packages already installed though)
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22:37<scraze>we can do the backported kernel thing either way :]
22:37<Guest19218>i most certainly don't wish to do that lol , i just wanna know what is available in the multimedia repository
22:38<hectormgerardo>my Debian turns slow when i try to upload a img on FB using chrome, Debian Sid kernel 3.1.0-1
22:39<Amarande>Ok that's interesting regarding the Sid kernel
22:39<Amarande>I just looked at p.d.o, and the 3.1 kernel package is still called "linux-image-2.6"
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22:40<Amarande>does that mean putting 3.x as a drop-in replacement on a debian machine actually *does* work, assuming all necessary packages are recent enough (which they are for squeeze and 3.0)?
22:40<sney>it'll work as far as apt is concerned (just need the kernel .deb and linux-base)
22:40<Amarande>that the kernel package maker utilities actually will call it linux-image-2.6-amd64 even if you're compiling 3.0?
22:40<scraze>hectormgerardo: for help for wheezy/sid look in #debian-next :]
22:40<sney>but there may be some software in squeeze that will freak out upon not detecting a 2.6.x kernel version string
22:41<hectormgerardo>scraze thanks
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23:11<LinuxW1zard>How dur I install UBUNTU?
23:11<LinuxW1zard>Debian suxx :(
23:12<LinuxW1zard>gedit is too old
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23:12<FingerWizard>Linuxwizard: The real wizard is here.... oops too late
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23:18<FingerWizard>ratnick: This channel is for serious business. Please keep conversation in #debian-offtopic
23:19<ratnick>what is serious business?
23:19<ratnick>finding hotheads?
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23:22<jordanm>FingerWizard: although saying a gretting in a support channel is not generally etiquette, there is no need to direct them to off-topic unless they are really getting off-topic
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