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01:04<sdd2w>where do you find the apturl thing
01:04<sdd2w>oh this isnt freenode...
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01:12<sdd2w>where are teh cryptsetup drives dev created?
01:12<sdd2w> /dev/mapper/foo (standard?!) is not working
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01:13<sdd2w>fk fk fk fk fk
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01:19<media>hey guys...anyone successfully install gnome 3.2 packages from the experimental branch?
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01:23<media>seems to be dependency problems with gnome-shell depending on an old version of libgnome-desktop-3-0 instead of libgnome-desktop-3-2
01:23<sdd2w>grrr, I remember why I left debian 7 years ago grr
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01:25<media>because you couldnt install gnome 3.2?
01:25<f0rk>I was talking about sdd2w :P
01:26<media>i know. so was i:)
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03:14<media>apt-get -t experimental -f install gnome-shell
03:14<media>gets me: gnome-shell : Depends: libgnome-desktop-3-0 (>= 2.91.5) but it is not going to be installed
03:14<media>and ...
03:15<media>apt-get -t experimental -f install libgnome-desktop3-0
03:15<media>... The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnome-desktop-3-0 : Depends: gnome-desktop3-data (= 3.0.2-2) but 3.2.1-2 is to be installed
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03:40<CaBa>any news on the security repo?
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03:52<EmleyMoor>I can't get "Hidden Paragraph" conditions to work in LibreOffice - anyone else seen this or know why?
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04:25<metaspike>is it possible for ntfs-3g to destroy a western digital mybook 500g external drive? with ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /mnt/drive & cp /mnt/drive/* & shutdown?
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04:36<metaspike>yeah, cause it to stop being registered with a computer (firmware corruption? some nonsense failsafe?) - because unless someone knowledgable here can tell me otherwise, i will have to assume that ntfs-3g is not even remotely safe under various circumstances.
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04:38<metaspike>typical circumstances
04:39<devil>metaspike: ntfs-3g was known for occasional data-loss in its early days, but i never heard of anything like you experience
04:40<Nameeater>did you just get data loss, or is the drive now unuseable?
04:42<metaspike>only tested through ex-communication unfortunately, bottom line is it does not register as expected, and is unaccesible by the usual means.
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04:45<metaspike>I would like to assume physical damage, however- if ntfs-3g can somehow make a drive dissapear completely then this might be something worth looking into.
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04:49<metaspike>it was a WDH1CS5000N. nuff 'said.
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05:28<benvei>someone here?
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05:29<babilen>Kranuz: Just ask if you have a question
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05:31<Kranuz>Ok.... i'm sorry for my bad englisch.... ok, lets go : I have a Notbook, and the wlan Card is called "RTL8192E"... In Kernel Version 3.X.X there is a Modul wich can handle the Wlan Card. Can i take the module from the 3.X kernel out and give it into the 2.6.X Kernel?
05:31<melmothX>Kranuz: probably not, you should upgrade the whole kernel
05:31<babilen>Kranuz: You could also ask in if you are more comfortable speaking German
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05:32<Kranuz>ok, are there any problems with upgrading to a newer kernel later?
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05:33<babilen>Kranuz: Could you give us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ?
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05:34<dpkg>r8192_pci (renamed to r8192e_pci at Linux 2.6.34) is a module produced by the rtl8192e staging driver, supporting the Realtek RTL8192E 802.11 draft-n PCI-E chipset (PCI ID 10ec:8192). Enabled in Debian Linux images for x86 architectures only. Firmware is required (RTL8192E/{boot,data,main}.img), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Some PCI ID 10ec:8192 devices are RTL8192SE-based, see <rtl8192se>.
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05:37<Kranuz>@babilen : 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8192E Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8192] (rev 01)
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05:39<babilen>Kranuz: Do you have the firmare package installed?
05:39<lo>hey all. im running sid but the question i have regards understanding the output from apt so im hoping it's ok to ask the question here. i get a package being held back. i tried to manually install to see why, and i got some interesting output:
05:40<Kranuz>@Babilen : Do you mean the "firmware-realtek" package?
05:41<babilen>lo: Does aptitude give you the same? Looks as if it is a library nothing depends on anymore, but one that can still be upgraded. apt-get should, arguably, not produce output like that.
05:41<babilen>Kranuz: Yes, exactly
05:42<Kranuz>babilen : Ok, first i'm going to delete the ndiswrapper stuff :)
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05:45<lo>babilen: will try in a sec :) just on the phone to cable co, :(
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05:48<Kranuz>ok, i removed all the ndiswrapper stuff.... AND IT WORKS :) ok, but.... this is a 32bit System, will it also work with a 64 bit system?
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05:49<babilen>Kranuz: I don't see why it shouldn't
05:49<Kranuz>okay, lets try
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05:53<lo>babilen: aptitude says 1 not upgraded. i only did an 'aptitude upgrade' though
05:54<babilen>lo: dist-upgrade? Which version of Debian is this?
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05:55<lo>babilen: im running sid. but i was hoping to just try and understand what the output from apt is trying to tell me so i can learn.
05:56<lo>babilen: dist-upgrade gives me teh same output as just upgrade , in aptitude
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05:57<babilen>lo: It is telling you that the package has been automatically installed and that no other package depends on it, so it can be removed. It can, however, also be upgraded -- The point is that manually installing it should mark it as manually installed, so the output doesn't really make sense.
05:58<lo>babilen: also the ouput from apt seemed to imply to me that should I upgrade it, I'd lose five key packages - which i don't want. and it doesnt' get marked for removal via autoclean
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06:16<Kranuz>babilen: ok, i have reinstalled my Notebook, and installed the firmware-realtek package.... Now i'm getting a Kernel Crash :-(
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06:31<Kranuz>babilen: any idea?
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06:34<gnugr>Kranuz: which debian version?
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06:36<kiso>i have problem with debian on raid controler b110i
06:37<kiso>i create hw raid and debian sees each disk separately
06:38<gnugr>Kranuz: are you sure you need firmware-realtek?
06:38<valdyn>kiso: its not a raid controller if debian sees each disk seperately
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06:39<Kranuz>gnugr: hm.... My Wlan Card (RTL8192E) is dedected, but i cannot scan for wifi Networks.... On 32 bit i was able to, after install the firmware package....
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06:39<kiso>valdyn, i have dl160g6 and there is a controller b110i
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06:40<kiso>i create raid10 in bios on sata discs
06:40<gnugr>Kranuz: have you install wireless_tools?
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06:42<yhlfh>how can i get auto completion while execute via sudo?
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06:45<valdyn>yhlfh: thats only active if your sudo has NOPASSWD set iirc
06:46<yhlfh>valdyn: %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
06:46<kiso>someone has dl160 g6 with debian na hw raid controler?
06:46<yhlfh>that's what i put in sudoers
06:47<Kranuz>gnugr : Yes, wireless-tools is installed
06:49<gnugr>kranuz: and you still can't connect with wireless?
06:49<Kranuz>Yea, the networkmanager doesnt show any wifi networkes
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06:51<gregoire>jultaro hi
06:52<gnugr>Kranuz: during installation when taskshel asked you what you want to install, was laptop marked?
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06:53<Kranuz>ohm.... I have installed it from a Live USB stick
06:53<gnugr>same way
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06:53<Kranuz>it doesn't ask me anything?
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06:54<Kranuz>ive installed in the "normal" mode not the expert mode
06:54<gregoire>tob hi
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06:56<gnugr>Kranuz: i suspect you missed laptop's modules
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06:57<Kranuz>ok.... how i install them?
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07:02<gnugr>Kranuz: " apt-get --yes install linux-headers-2.6-686 build-essential module-assistant pulseaudio firmware-ralink "
07:02<Kranuz>okay, wait
07:04<gnugr>Kranuz: then do " m-a update && m-a prepare "
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07:04<Kranuz>ok, i'll try it
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07:05<gnugr>Kranuz: then try " m-a a-i -t alsa-source "
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07:08<gnugr>did you see this " echo "auto lo" > /etc/network/interfaces "
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07:15<Kranuz>gnugr: its compiling...
07:15<gnugr>when its finished reboot
07:17<Nameeater>I installed debian wheezy using the expert install, and I can't remember it asking me to create a user account, can I do that now or am I screwed? I did install it along side a working squeeze installed
07:18<Nameeater>oh, it didn't ask me for a root password either
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07:20<Kranuz>gnugr : ok, but there are also no Wlan Networks :(
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07:27<blaster>good day sir
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07:29<blaster>there error in system my computer
07:29<blaster>this error report
07:29<blaster>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libdbus1.0-cil-dev:
07:29<dpkg>blaster: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
07:29<blaster> libdbus1.0-cil-dev depends on libdbus1.0-cil (= 0.7.0-2); however:
07:29<blaster> Package libdbus1.0-cil is not installed.
07:29<blaster>dpkg: error processing libdbus1.0-cil-dev (--install):
07:29<blaster> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
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07:33<babilen>,versions libdbus1.0-cil
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07:33<judd>Package: libdbus1.0-cil on i386 -- sid: 0.7.0-4; wheezy: 0.7.0-4
07:33<babilen>blast007: ^^^ there you go
07:33<babilen>,depends libdbus1.0-cil-dev
07:33<judd>No package named 'libdbus1.0-cil-dev' was found in squeeze/i386.
07:33<babilen>,depends libdbus1.0-cil-dev --release sid
07:33<judd>Package libdbus1.0-cil-dev in sid/i386 -- depends: libdbus1.0-cil (= 0.7.0-4).
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07:34<babilen>blaster: Should work -- Which version of Debian are you using and could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libdbus1.0-cil-dev libdbus1.0-cil" to please?
07:35<babilen>blaster: The actual command that caused this output would also be interesting -- What are you trying to achieve?
07:36<blaster> Installed: 0.7.0-2
07:36<blaster> Candidate: 0.7.0-2
07:36<blaster> Version table:
07:36<blaster> *** 0.7.0-2 0
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07:36<babilen>blaster: Please also note that we have a dedicated channel (#debian-next) for wheezy/sid support.
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07:37<babilen>blast007: Paste it to !
07:37<babilen>blaster: Please also note that we have a dedicated channel (#debian-next) for wheezy/sid support.
07:37<blaster>im used ubuntu in my system
07:37<babilen>You are running Ubuntu?
07:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:37<blaster>i want install filezilla
07:38<blaster>im sory sir
07:38<babilen>blaster: Then ask in an Ubuntu channel (see above) and not in #debian
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07:39<blaster>i think ubuntu debian system masi family
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07:40<blaster>I do not find the url or ubuntu irc channels
07:40<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
07:40<blaster>thx sir babilen
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07:41<blaster>sir babilen
07:41<blaster>Which is more optimal use debian router or router mikrotik os
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07:43<babilen>I never used mikrotik and can therefore not answer that question
07:43<blaster>i used debian leny as a router in my office
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07:44<blaster>and I am very comfortable using debian as a router but my friend suggested I use mikrotik router os
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07:45<babilen>Use whatever you are comfortable with and whatever fits your needs.
07:45<blaster>do you think is more power full where the debian router what router mikrotik os
07:45<blaster>thx sir
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07:49<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Need a bit of advice, please. htop is showing 100% kernel CPU usage on one core (one bar is 100% red) but does not show any processes actually using that much CPU. How can I identify the process and what should I do about it?
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07:50<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: look below and see what is running, choose your victim and kill it, if it really matters.
07:51<ComradeHaz`>ompaul: it's not listed. It must be kernel based, I guess.
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07:51<ComradeHaz`>Note colour-coding of CPU bars in htop.
07:51<ComradeHaz`>Green for user based, red for system
07:51<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: put an screenshot of it with the shell maxed into
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07:52<ompaul>or whatever it's called
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07:59<valdyn>ComradeHaz`: kernel threads are also listed in my htop
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07:59<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: I'd do exactly nothing with that box it should still appear fairly responsive
08:00<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, you think it will sort itself out?
08:01<ComradeHaz`>ompaul: good call
08:01<ComradeHaz`>valdyn: thanks
08:01<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: what is this new information
08:01<ComradeHaz`>'K' turns on kernel threads
08:02<ompaul>turns on visiblity
08:02<ComradeHaz`>13946 root 20 0 0 0 0 R 98 0.0 400:46.05 md1_resync
08:02<ComradeHaz`>dunno why I didn't check 'top'
08:03<ComradeHaz`>It shows by default there!
08:03<ompaul>so you're raid might be important to you
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08:03<valdyn>ComradeHaz`: cat /proc/mdstat
08:03<ComradeHaz`>It's the first Sunday of the month, innit.
08:03<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: but you are well over your quota for questions ;-)
08:03<ComradeHaz`>Nah, all good, thanks guys.
08:04<ComradeHaz`>[===>.................] check = 19.5% (381398568/1953511936) finish=1837.3min speed=14260K/sec
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08:17<claviceps>hi, i'd like to record mp3 with ffmpeg on my enbedded squeeze system; but ffmpeg tells me "Unknown encoder 'libmp3lame'" although i have installed libmp3lame0. does someone know if i'm missing some packages or if the problem is with ffmpeg?
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08:19<Black_Prince>You need ffmpeg either from backports or debian multimedia
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08:20<Black_Prince>Squeeze's default ffmpeg isn't compiled with lame support.
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08:20<claviceps>yeah, thanks, wouldn't have thought about that one
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08:27<troll>guys is there any chance to get my razer black widow keyboard to work with special keys?
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08:29<claviceps>troll, yes
08:29<claviceps>first search for the programm that tells you which keys are pressed (as they might have other meanings than what are printed on them); then assign those keys
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08:36<thedead>Hi there, i'm looking for help on a raid issue. I have a motherboard with an embeeded nVidia chipset, everything work when i configure the raid 1 array but when i try to install Debian on my machine it shows me two independent disks. Can someone help me?
08:36<abrotman>it's not real raid
08:36<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
08:37<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on or speak English here.
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08:37<dpkg>zh is probably Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh ( pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/server" he "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
08:37<abrotman>i tried :)
08:37<thedead>already read that, so there's no way to configure an hardware raid array, right?
08:37<babilen>abrotman: :)
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08:38<abrotman>thedead: unless you rip the chip from the mobo and solder a new one on? no
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08:38<thedead>abrotman okay, really thanks you. :)
08:38<yokee>which raid card u used ?
08:38<abrotman>thedead: it's not a hardware raid controller
08:38<abrotman>thedead: it's like a winmodem .. host assisted adapter
08:39<troll>well im not sure the keys are doing anything... i cant even assign them as hotkeys
08:39<abrotman>judd: info lineakd
08:39<judd>Package lineakd (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards. Version: 1:0.9-6; Size: 105.5k; Installed: 448k; Homepage:
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08:41<thedead>abrotman : understood, thank you :)
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08:48<fox>i woudl like to have stable system with correct working: wine winetricks and jre-java6-sun jre-java6-plugins and kadu of 0.9 or 0.10 version (not 0.6.5).... you think thah should have stable? or testing or sind? I was used mint lmde linux based on testing repo of debian but it have problems with depedies... and i dont want this problems
08:48<fox>what you sugest?
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08:50<fox>I have expierience when jad testting thah when get upgrade for examply gnome or kde was removed becous was problem with dependies and in testing or sind isnt sun-java6-jre to correct working of web chats :/
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08:51<babilen>fox: Stable has everything you listed, but wine is quite outdated. There are unofficial packages for wine on but they target sid IIRC (they are, however, maintained by a DD) -- I would furthermore recommend to use OpenJDK in lieu of Sun's buggy Java
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08:51<babilen>fox: If you run wheezy or sid you *will* run into dependency and other problems
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08:51<babilen>!tell fox -about testing
08:51<babilen>!tell fox about unstable
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08:53<fox>babillen: stable is nice... i like it but on opnejdk chats on web will be work correcly? and if I put in stable your link to wine will have the newest wine? and what about new kadu and libreoffice?
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08:56<abrotman>wine in debian is sorely out of date no matter which version you use
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08:58<fox>for examply can I put repo from testing or sid... dont make upgrade only update...and install nesesseru soft like libreoffice kadu and remove sid repo and than make update and safe-upgrade?? it will be ok?
08:59<abrotman>no, mixing geneally breaks your system
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09:01<fox>ok you know howto install new kadu on debian and libreoffice ?
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09:03<fox>oh maybe I can use mint repo too? on their official web they wrote thah mint repo lmde are 100% compatibility with debian stable and testing... what you think?
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09:10<lord_rob>can I purge all packages deborphan reports to be orphaned ?
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09:17<gnugr>lord_rob: try with 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge'
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09:29<kaushik>any body here to talk
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09:40<lord_rob>gnugr: thank you
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09:40<heikkila>I'm going to install Debian on a comp, I'd like /home to be encrypted, probably dm-crypt/luks, and swap also. Do I also want an encrypted /tmp?
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09:41<heikkila>I guess I'm afraid that /tmp might store some /home files there, temporarily, time to time..
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09:47<gnugr>heikkila: you mean you want /tmp to be not executable?
09:47<lord_rob>gnugr: apt-get did not complain (but I had to do several runs)
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09:48<heikkila>gnugr, just not readable from a live-cd if personal files is being stored there
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09:48<gnugr>lord_rob: you can see them also in synaptic
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09:48<lord_rob>orphaned packages ?
09:49<gnugr>any kind
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09:49<lord_rob>(never installed this program :)
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09:49<lord_rob>but it could be interesting then
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09:51<gnugr>lord_rob: before you remove deborphans is good to see " dpkg --configure -a" and run "aptitude -f install " to check if something is missing
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10:10<veloceraptor>ja ja
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10:27<XeonBloomfield>I have a big problem dudes
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10:28<XeonBloomfield>My awesome and powerful integrated Intel Extreme Graphic which support DirectX 7 is not providing 3D acceleration for X
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10:34<XeonBloomfield>Main problem is that:
10:34<XeonBloomfield>(WW) intel(0): cannot enable DRI2 whilst forcing software fallbacks
10:34<XeonBloomfield>(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
10:34<XeonBloomfield>(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
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10:36<MrFrood>XeonBloomfield: I know nuthing of intel graphics drivers, so...
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10:36<dpkg>[intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>, <nopointer>. #intel-gfx on
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10:36<XeonBloomfield>MrFrood: I should have working DRI2
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10:38<MrFrood>all I can suggest is following up on what the bot has to say or waiting for someone who knows about this to tune in
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10:39<XeonBloomfield>MrFrood: I will check this, because I have "Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics"
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10:55<ladoga>i915 driver is in quite sad state
10:56<lord_rob>gnugr: all the packages I removed with deborphan/apt-get purge, apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't need them, but aptitude wants to reinstall them
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10:56<ladoga>i have GPU hangs almost daily and reboot seems to be the only cure
10:59<ladoga>This has continued for several kernel versions and over one year. (now using 3.0.0-1-686-pae)
10:59<gnugr>lord_rob: yes, if you use backports, for instance, libreoffice, dpkg asks you to reinstall oenoffice
10:59<ladoga>i wonder if there's any way to reload i915 driver without reboot?
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11:05<lord_rob>gnugr: I'm using SID and I don't
11:05<ladoga>Here is debian bugreport considering the problem:
11:06<lord_rob>I don't see where the problem could happen
11:06<gnugr>was an example
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11:10<lord_rob>gnugr: and the reinstalled packages reappear in deborphan, this is what I don't understand
11:10<gnugr>lord_rob: you did choose "yes" to suggestions?
11:11<lord_rob>I'm using aptitude UI
11:11<lord_rob>and I never install suggested/recommended packages
11:12<gnugr>lord_rob: if you are sure what to remove, best, choose n or q to what it suggests
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11:16<lord_rob>I can't remove dependancies for sure, but if i do what you say and pin some packages, my SID will finally break sometimes as I update it very often
11:19<lord_rob>(i *think* you said to pin some packages) but this is not a SID support chan here
11:21<sney>there's really nothing to say now but
11:21<dpkg>The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
11:21<sney>maybe you should use stable and just have sid in a vm or something
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11:24<gnugr>lord_rob: to run sid must use a propriere pinning not to break the system
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11:25<lord_rob>I know, I've run into (many many)^n breakages ;-) since 2002. You get experience
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11:26<lord_rob>I've never used other Debian than SID and I'm OK since 2002, that's 10 years actually
11:27<gnugr>hehe, i did the same and i'm back with with squeeze-backports and kernel 2.6.39-486
11:27<lord_rob>woosh it's old I didn't realize :)
11:27<lord_rob> helps you to learn Linux I think
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11:28<lord_rob>SID helps you *
11:28<gnugr>my motherboard refuses to accept all pae kernels
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11:28<sney>gnugr did you file a bug?
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11:30*lord_rob should try linux from scratch
11:30<gnugr>sney: if kernel is not pae works ok, as i use 2nd HD for ubuntu with kernel
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12:17<jluq>hi, i'm installing debian 6. In the step "install the base system", i can choose 3 kernels to install: linux-image-2.6-amd64, linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd65 and linux-image-amd64, where i can read the differences between they?
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12:19<jluq>which should i choose?
12:19<boredalot>linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd65 dont think so
12:19<boredalot>probably be amd64
12:19<boredalot>check again
12:19<jluq>yes, srry
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12:20<jluq>all they are amd64
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12:20<boredalot>hm.. depends the architecture of your cpu
12:20<boredalot>32bit or 64 etc you choose the one you have
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12:21<boredalot>you have an OS already install jluq ?
12:21<boredalot>or at least know your cpu
12:21<boredalot>that always helps:P
12:22<jluq>thats kernels are for 64 bits arquitecture
12:22<jluq>but i dont know which should choose
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12:22<boredalot>try better linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64
12:23<boredalot>if you have 64bit cpu
12:23<boredalot>kernel is newer
12:23<jluq>it is the most newly?
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12:24<boredalot>last one on general?
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12:25<boredalot>or last used on installation of debian 6
12:25<boredalot>(there's a difference)
12:25<ladoga>jlug those choices only affect update policy
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12:26<ladoga>ie if you want to keep version at linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 then you choose it
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12:27<ladoga>or if you want to upgrade to newest you choose metapackage linux-image-amd64
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12:28<ladoga>2.6 one keeps using 2.6 series kernels. in other words. it wont automaticaaly upgrade to 3.0.0 and onwards
12:28<sercik>hello! someone can help me how to download debian with jigdo?
12:28<jluq>Ok ladoga, thanks!
12:28<sercik>in this webpage i see many files, and i don0t know which is the right:
12:29<sercik>i want to download testing...
12:29<ladoga>jluq: so i would suggest choosing linux-image-amd64 if no have no specific need to keep back using 2.6 series kernels
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12:29<ladoga>if you have no* sorry
12:29<ladoga>i could do with some typing lessons:)
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12:31<sercik>i don't understand why there are 60 cd
12:31<JoeKickass>sercik: you should not use the testing installer.
12:32<sercik>i want to use testing because then i want to switch to sid.
12:32<jluq>ladoga, jaja dont worry i understand that. Thanks!
12:32<boredalot>sercik: use only the one you want and build then what apps etc you want
12:32<ladoga>amd64 is just the architechture (as you probably already know). so that selection just installs newest kernel version compiled for that arch
12:32<ladoga>jluq: thanks:)
12:32<JoeKickass>sercik: then install using the stable netinst and upgrade from there
12:32<boredalot>tbh netist is awesome
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12:33<boredalot>agree JoeKickass
12:33<sercik>but if i start from testing i will have less data to download to switch to sid!
12:33<JoeKickass>sercik: reasonable theory but the testing installer is still being tested... it probabley won't work
12:34<sercik>so what i need to download?
12:34<sercik>can you give me the link?
12:34<dpkg>i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
12:34<sercik>i havbe wifi
12:34<sercik>and i doubt that i'm able to activate wifi from installation cd
12:35<JoeKickass> and the green download link on the right
12:35<JoeKickass>sercik: ethernet is better, but open wireless can be ok depending on your wireless chip
12:35<sercik>i only have wireless
12:36<sercik>this: 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
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12:36<ladoga>sercik, no wired connection at all?
12:36<JoeKickass>ok is the wireless secured? WPA?
12:36<sercik>no at all
12:36<jhutchins_lt>sercik: Intel's pretty well supported, but last I checked the installer can't do wep.
12:37<jhutchins_lt>sercik: Er, no, wpa
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12:37<ladoga>i think it need non-free firmware which doesn't come on default cd images?
12:37<JoeKickass>it can do wep
12:37<sercik>so goodbye debian!
12:37<ladoga>sercik: you can use unoffical installation images
12:37<sercik>i have lmde installed if i add sid repository and do a dist-upgrtade?
12:38<sercik>lmde = linuxmint debian edition
12:38<JoeKickass>sercik: not recommended and not supported here, and probably not anywhere else either :P but you can try if you like!
12:38<ladoga>sercik: i think best way is to choose expert mode in install..then you can install sid directly
12:39<sercik>ladoga: tell me about unofficial
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12:39<JoeKickass>sercik: you can install debian, the wpa will work afterwards, just the netinst doesn't support it
12:40<sercik>so i can install debian and then activate wpa?
12:40<sercik>and add other packages?
12:40<JoeKickass>yes, as long as you get your wireless driver working first
12:40<ladoga>JoeKickass: so non-free firmware is only needed for wpa to work?
12:40<sercik>if i install dvd1 i will have some grapchi interface?
12:40<JoeKickass>sercik: yes
12:40<boredalot>gui yes
12:40<sercik>so .. to install debian i only need to download dvd1?
12:41<boredalot>for basic things yes i suggest netist
12:41<boredalot>on general
12:41<JoeKickass>ladoga: not exactly, the non-free "may" be required to get eh *chip* working, the wpa is not the issue
12:41<ladoga>sercik: someone else probably knows better about unoffical images. i can check but it might take some time
12:41<JoeKickass>!installer firmware
12:41<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
12:42<JoeKickass>sercik: /msg dpkg firmware images
12:42<sercik>it started to soumd more complicated to me..
12:42<sercik>is ok if i download this?:
12:43<JoeKickass>nah you just need an installation dvd/cd that has a non-free formware for your wireless
12:44<JoeKickass>sercik: you have a 32 bit or 64bit processor?
12:44<sercik>i have a core2duo
12:45<boredalot>64-bit x86-64
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12:46<ladoga>sercik: i suggest using netinstall or businesscard images, they are small businesscard is about 50mb i think
12:47<boredalot>ladoga: netistall better i believe
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12:47<sercik>i downloaded this:
12:47<sercik>now i need to add this to netinstall cd, right?
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12:48<boredalot>try that
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12:49<ladoga>sercik: i also found unoffical ones
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12:50<ladoga>sercik: that should work too...maybe easier
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12:51<boredalot>WPA, WPA2, AES Hex key if possible
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12:51<sercik>i'm reading this, but i'm not able to understand the first part
12:51<JoeKickass>what ladoga said should be your best bet sercik
12:51<JoeKickass>sercik: you don't have to do that.
12:52<sercik>ah ok
12:52<sercik>i didn't read
12:52<sercik>thanks ladoga
12:52<ladoga>sercik here is one for your arch
12:52<JoeKickass>sercik: you would simply put your firmwar on a usb stick and plug it in during the installation
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12:52<JoeKickass>sercik: but those unofficial non-free CDs come with your firmware anyways
12:52<sercik>JoeKickass: i need to copy .deb to stick, or i need to extract .deb
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12:53<ladoga>sercik: no need for any of that if you use unoffical image
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12:53<JoeKickass>neither, just use the unofficial cd ^^
12:53<ladoga>sercik: just burn the cd, boot it and install
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12:53<boredalot>if you have problems after
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12:54<sercik>i'm a little confused, sorry
12:54<sercik>i'm downloading:
12:54<boredalot>just change some things
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12:54<JoeKickass>take your time
12:54<sercik>that cd is testing instead, not stable..
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12:55<JoeKickass>that should work... may I ask *why* are you installing sid?
12:55<ladoga>sercik: did you want stable?
12:55<ladoga>sercik: sid is 'unstable'
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12:55<ladoga>sercik: on that site you can find images for stable too ofcourse
12:56<boredalot>read on general the official web it has explanation about all
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12:58<ladoga>Yes, I would probably recommend stable and add backports repository for new stuff
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12:59<ladoga>though I'm running 'testing' myself so take it for what it is. choice is yours ofcourse
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13:02<ladoga>Usually if one doesn't have a good reason, for example driver related it's good to stay in stable. Backports has all new software anyways.
13:03<sercik>no problem
13:03<sercik>i want gnome 3 so i will go for sid
13:03<sercik>sid=unbstable , right?
13:03<sercik>and what is experimental?
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13:04<daemonkeeper>Wheezy is Testing. Stop telling people things you don't know. Thanks.
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13:04<ladoga>wheezy=testing sid (and is always)=unstable
13:04<JoeKickass>testing sorry
13:05<dpkg>Debian is a free (as in <dfsg>) and universal operating system, best known for its <apt> package management. It mainly consists of three distributions <stable> (currently <Squeeze>), <testing> (currently <Wheezy>) and <unstable> (<Sid>). Each is further divided in several repositories, at least <main>, <contrib> and <non-free>. See also <overview>, <fundamentals>, <backports>, <security>, <general cli tutorial> and <reference>.
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13:05<devil>sercik: and experimental is something you want even less than you want sid :)
13:05<ladoga>experimental has cutting edge versions of software
13:06<ladoga>it's where they start before going to sid
13:06<daemonkeeper>That's wrong again.
13:06<daemonkeeper>Experimental is not a full branch, but the experimental playground.
13:06<devil>ladoga: sometimes
13:06<ladoga>yes exactly
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13:06<daemonkeeper>Experimental is for developers _only_ which want to publish their packages to other developers in order to prepare transitions.
13:07<daemonkeeper>This is to allow smooth transitions in Sid.
13:07<ladoga>but experimantal can be used as alternate install source for software if you need for example newest version of whatever
13:07<boredalot>better dont use that one if you are not a developer
13:07<ladoga>you can just consider it as repository for cutting edge (and often buggy) stuff
13:07<daemonkeeper>You really shouldn't be using packages from experimental unless you really know what you're doing.
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13:08<sercik>thanks for all tour reply
13:08<sercik>so we have stable, testing, sid and experimental ?
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13:09<daemonkeeper>(You shouldn't be using Sid either, but there is a slightly less risk of severe damages to your system)
13:09<boredalot>try stable and testing not experimental
13:09<boredalot>nor sid too
13:09<sercik>i only want to install gnome3 from sid
13:09<lord_rob>debian package management system helps using experimental without breaking *toomuch* the system
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13:09<sercik>i will use apt pinning
13:09<sercik>i found a guide
13:09<ladoga>i use gimp from experimantal quite often, just to follow it's development. it has worked fine. but i agree that for any critical stuff you shouldnt use it
13:10<daemonkeeper>sercik: Gnome 3 comes with _really_ extensive dependencies. It will be hardly possible to run it with apt-pinning in a sane way.
13:10<boredalot>sercik: use apt is good way
13:10<ladoga>software there is absolutely non tested
13:10<boredalot>and done be with root only when needed
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13:11<ladoga>gnome3 is in testing, right?
13:11<ladoga>so maybe that's best way to go for sercik
13:11<boredalot>gnome3 has some bugs some times personal gnome 2 i use mostly or try kde etc
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13:12<daemonkeeper>It's the best trade-off. That said, I wouldn't suggest anything but stable for less experienced users.
13:12<lord_rob>KDE 4.7 is about to be merged into SID
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13:13<sercik>i already try gnome 3 from testing, but is 3.0
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13:13<sercik>and i can't use some extensions in 3.0 version
13:13<lord_rob>there are unofficial packages (made by the Debian KDE team) available
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13:14<daemonkeeper>lord_rob: For Sid. So not helpful at all. Furthermore I can't see how sercik KDE 4.7 would have helped as he asked for Gnome 3 ;)
13:15<lord_rob>okok /me shuts up
13:15<daemonkeeper>Well he left anyway
13:16<lord_rob>anyway, speaking of those KDE packages, they seem to work very well, at least I'm using them
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13:18<daemonkeeper>I don't see any reason why they wouldn't, given they're coming from the same maintainers as official packages.
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13:18<syed>any indians here?
13:18<gnugr>from India?
13:19<daemonkeeper>Why would that be relevant?
13:19<gnugr>we have fro usa
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13:19<syed>now only 1st time i am using ubuntu studio
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13:20<daemonkeeper>!ubuntuirc syed
13:20<dpkg>syed: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
13:20<syed>oh i'm sry
13:20<syed>any way i'm new for linux
13:20<sercik>a very little question... : i'm in italy and i use fastweb, this is an official debian mirror:
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13:22<lord_rob>daemonkeeper: well, the reason is that they are still not even in experimental branch and they still work very well
13:22<sercik>ok is in that list: so it is official repo
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13:23<daemonkeeper>lord_rob: Not everyone uses experimental. There are plenty alternatives in Debian (which is the reason why some people want to consolidate such repositories)
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13:24<syed>how can i develop new software for linux
13:25<daemonkeeper>Open a text editor, write it, run it. Optional step: compile it, if it is being written in a compiled language.
13:25<lord_rob>there are more convenient ways, use an IDE
13:26<daemonkeeper>Which is nothing else than a text editor with a lot of buttons around :>
13:26<lord_rob>well, it's the same as if you write a software in windows :p
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13:28<lord_rob>daemonkeeper: well, NetBeans allows me to design my dialog boxes without coding anything and wasting time. It's not 100% a text editor, it's more convenient
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13:29<metaman>mike are you in there yet
13:29<daemonkeeper>lord_rob: The bottom line of the discussion wasn't meant to discuss use of IDE's but pointing out in a sarcastic manner that syed's question was really unspecific.
13:31<lord_rob>I told him it was the same as for windows actually
13:32<lord_rob>the first reason I installed Linux was to learn C, I wrote a Hello World program and could never run it. It was because I had to run "./a.out" instead of "a.out"
13:33<heikkila>You have the same problem in Windows if you don't specify path variable
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13:34<lord_rob>? I never had this problem
13:34<cardimajs>Blz pessoal?
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13:34<heikkila>lord_rob, but did you run programs in Windows command line or from IDE?
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13:35<lord_rob>well ide but got a DOS EXE I ran from command line
13:36<lord_rob>I was coding in turbo pascal, back in the days :)
13:37<engine40>hi all, does anyone knows any ISP Billing software in Linux?
13:37<ngine>hi all, does anyone knows any ISP Billing software in Linux?
13:38<heikkila>Ok, I have that same problem in (current) Windows, so it's not linux specific (but this is sliding offtopic now), lord_rob
13:39<lord_rob>you must add "." to your path
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13:39<lord_rob>I didn't have that, well with with old versions of windows
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13:40<lord_rob>didn't try with nt
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13:41<boredalot>most compilers at win you need to buy that's a difference with linux lord_rob gcc kick ass
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13:42<lord_rob>for the moment I'm using openjdk
13:42<lord_rob>works well too
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13:53<Manu>cabrones contestad
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14:06<heikkila>too vague
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14:08<boredalot>kostas, try any gr debian channel if you want or be specific
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14:22<cesurasean>is M/Monit included in ? or do I need to install another package as well?
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14:36<jluq>anyone know why after install gnome, my synaptic dont admit my password?
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14:36<heikkila>jluq, do you type the root password or your user's password?
14:37<jluq>both are the same
14:38<jluq>but in the installation i remember read something about root password and sudo xD
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14:39<heikkila>jluq, did you type a root password in the installation?
14:39<jluq>only my user pw
14:39<jluq>i need make a root user?
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14:39<heikkila>jluq, then you have to tell Gnome to always use (gk)sudo
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14:40<heikkila>jluq, if you are using squeeze and have the gconf-editor you should look for /apps/gksu/sudo-mode
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14:42<jluq>and check sudo-mode i guess
14:42<heikkila>and try synaptic again
14:42<jluq>heikkila, thanks. Now work.
14:43<heikkila>np =)
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14:45<jluq>heikkila, and other question, only for curiosity. I've installed gnome manually because i dont whant evolution and that shits but they are here, u know what i do wrong?
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14:51<MrFrood>jluq: you installed the meta-package
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14:51<jluq>ive installed gnome-core
14:51<heikkila>jluq, you didn't install it manually enough… gnome-core depends on evolution
14:52<jluq>amm... ups :s
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14:53<jluq>and what i should do the next time?
14:54<MrFrood>jluq: avoid meta-packages
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14:55<heikkila>Put more effort into making it a really minimal desktop environment
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14:55<jluq>i want that :D
14:56<heikkila>Or why not try a "smaller" DE…
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14:56<heikkila>Desktop Environment
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14:57<jluq>ah ok xddd
14:57<MrFrood>jluq: if you mark the gnome stuff as manually installed you should be able to just remove evolution
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14:58<MrFrood>pr even just a wm <evilgrin>
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14:58<heikkila>MrFrood is your man if you just want a small WM or terminal even :-)
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14:59<jluq>MrFrood, im trying that but evolution drag a lot of more stuff
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15:01<wallumpo>I just rebooted and at login i was given an error about one of my panel applets. I clicked Remove figuring I would reinstall it. I reinstalled successfully but now it's not appearing in the Add to Panel box to be added. Is there a way I can manually add to the list? I have Squeeze installed
15:01<MrFrood>jluq: how familiar are you with *nix enviroments?
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15:02<jluq>MrFrood, 0 familiar! xd
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15:03<MrFrood>in thatcase think about the wm option if you want things light-weight
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15:05<jluq>Ok MrFrood
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15:13<heikkila>What permissions does /var/mail/<user> need?
15:14<heikkila>and user:group
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15:17<heikkila>I see delivered to mailbox in the log, but mail says: No mail for tom
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15:29<And1>Hi folks, I got a problem with mplayer. Anyone know what I could do to fix this? Using debian sid, mplayer 3:1.0~rc4+svn20111203-0.1 ...
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15:33<feuerrot>Twitter: @Holgi so: "*ROFL* Herrlich! #tatort"; @kleinerluxx so: "ich werde wahnsinnig mit euch![…] jedes mal 'man ist der scheisse'" alles da…
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15:33<gnugr>And1: hwat you get with " pat-cache policy mplayer " ?
15:33<gnugr>i messed up
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15:34<gnugr>And1: apt-cache policy mplayer
15:34<And1>It's from debian-multimedia-repo if that helps you. But I can also paste it somewhere.
15:36<gnugr>And1: normaly you must join #debian-next for sid FAQ
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15:37<And1>gnugr: Oh ok, thanks.
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15:37<ansgar>And debian-multimedia is not even supported there.
15:37<Black_Prince>Now ... I finally got rid of pulseaudio ...
15:37<gnugr>And1: you have 500 Pin-Priority for multimedia?
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15:38<And1>gnugr: Just added the repo some long time ago. Never did anything to some priority, don't even know how I would or why I should. : /
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15:39<gnugr>mutlimedia must have same priority as main distro
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15:40<gnugr>sid deb has 500 priorty as i can see
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15:41<gnugr>And1: try once with " dpkg-reconfigure mplayer "
15:41<And1>So both have the same priority, huh?
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15:41<gnugr>yes but not enough
15:42<gnugr>you want sid or what else?
15:42<gnugr>what is main for you?
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15:43<And1>I think I'm using the one from debian-multimedia because of xbmc. I could remove xbmc and delete the repo from my sources.list, maybe that would help? Can't use xbmc with nouveau right now anyway.
15:43<gnugr>my opinion if you have testing and sid, sid nust have about 800 priority
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15:46<convbsd>what decoder need to install for be able to play movies and music please ?
15:46<And1>gnugr: Why testing AND sid? Those are all unstable-repos. Or am I misunderstanding something?
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15:51<gnugr>And1: ask further in #debian-net
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15:52<gnugr>#debian-next sorry
15:53<And1>gnugr: Okay. Think I'll do so tomorrow, got to go soon. Thanks for your help so fat! : )
15:53<gnugr>i think here is the prob : 500 unstable/main amd64 Packages
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15:57<gnugr>convbsd: what debian version you run?
15:57<MrFrood>convbsd: depens upon your tastes but vlc and/or mplayer might be a good start
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16:03<gnugr>And1: this is the official deb for mutlimedia-sid : deb sid main non-free
16:03<daemonkeeper>FSVO official
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16:04<And1>gnugr: Ok thanks, I'll write that down for tomorrow. : )
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17:18<kingsley>Is there currently a capable and usable free video editor?
17:18<kingsley>If so, which one?
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17:24<kingsley>boredalot: Have you actually used open movie editor? If so, how do you like it?
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17:25<boredalot>its open not using it a lot tbh
17:25<boredalot>movie editors not that much intresting for me
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17:28<CaptainKraft>I am trying to install the latest build for wine and I've added the repositories to the sources.list file, I've updated via the command line as well as synaptic package manager; however, when I install wine, it is still version 1.0.1 rather than the latest 1.23. How can I get my package manager to load the latest version?
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17:34<sney->CaptainKraft: 3rd party repositories are not supported here, but you probably need to specify the repository with -t or read about pinning
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18:07<CaptainKraft>I have about 16 .deb files that I need to unpack in a single folder, and I tried the command dpkg -i * to install them all so I could avoid dependency problems, but I get a bunch of dependency errors anyway. Is there something I should do before dpkg to fix this?
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18:09<daemonkeeper>apt-get -f install
18:09<sney->^ well, run it *after* all the dpkg -i
18:09<daemonkeeper>after dpkg
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18:20<boredalot>sney, do on terminal wine --version and update might that helps
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18:23<scraze>kingsley: there really are a lot of editors out there, classic ones like avidemux, ridiculously easy ones like openshot (but with less control problems are harder to fix), and then there are apps which wouldn't describe themselves as video editor but could function perfectly, like blender (if I'd want to do something complex, I'd use blender)
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18:24<nevyn_>along with 100lb gorillas like cinelerra
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18:25<boredalot>CaptainKraft, maybe some of your deb need other sometimes order etc needed or depends on many things
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18:28<boredalot>check one by one on what is needed from official site
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18:31<Vaag256>Hi, I'm trying to embed fonts into a webpage with the @font-face css property, but it produces some odd results on debian\linux. For example, when using firefox 3.62 on windows it will display as usual, but when using it on debian it only shows when having the browser zoomed out
18:31<Vaag256>any idea what could be causing this?
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18:33<boredalot>settings at firefox maybe
18:33<Vaag256>it occurs in both firefox and chromium :\
18:33<Vaag256> heres the example page I'm using
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18:34<ratnick>Could be a version mismatch. I'm running Firefox 8.0.1 on Debian 5.0.9
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18:36<ratnick>I think browser fonts are called from the internal of the OS
18:37<Vaag256>chromium 6.0 on deb 6.0.3
18:37<Vaag256>but like I said, it does show when zooming out really far, and I have no clue why it does that
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18:38<ratnick>I don't exactly know the details, but how calls are made determines the effect
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18:38<boredalot>many sites on general designed to be view best with specific browser and os
18:38<ratnick>A debug may provide clues. lists calls etc.
18:39<Vaag256>would you know where I could find more information about how the fonts are handled?
18:39<boredalot>you need a good web developer to ask it i believe
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18:39<ratnick>Library linking maybe
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18:41<boredalot>try that very general
18:42<ratnick>look over the mailing lists or the bugs at:
18:42<Vaag256>boredalot, it works fine on windows, in a multitude of browsers and browser versions, as well as on osx
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18:42<Vaag256>its just linux that is giving me issues with fonts
18:42<ratnick>Linux and indows use different file systems
18:43<boredalot>yes but osx
18:43<boredalot>is not windows
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18:43<boredalot>the difference is something else
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18:43<ratnick>osx is mac
18:43<StephenS>wow this channel is actually pretty big
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18:43<ratnick>almost 500
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18:43<boredalot>make more kids
18:43<boredalot>gonna be 2000 lol
18:43<Vaag256>point is, the problem lies with some combination of browser, linux, code
18:43<ratnick>make better users
18:44<ratnick>yes that is agreed
18:44<Vaag256>and due to the erratic behaviour I would assume it lies with linux
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18:45<ratnick>If Windows files are run on Linux w/wine, a very primitive windows system is used
18:45<boredalot>its strange on general that one i could understand on same os with different browser but on different os and same browser no idea
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18:45<Vaag256>anyway, I'll go through the bugs and see if anything comes up, thanks
18:45<ratnick>If I remember using wine, it needs IE
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18:46<boredalot>nice question tbh
18:47<ratnick>brb; watching movie
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18:49<boredalot>you have the same code and same browser but not same view
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18:50<StephenS>no IP mask in here?
18:50<StephenS>o_O pretty dangerous to irc chat then :)
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18:52<ratnick>open trust?
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18:52<daemonkeeper>So, what exactly do you risk?
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18:53<boredalot>its a help channel why need that kind of stuff
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18:54<boredalot>if you want use tor or something else simple
18:54<ratnick>lots of witnesses though
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18:57<StephenS>yeh but what if Im fbi spy
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18:57<StephenS>shouldnt i use then ipv4 ?
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18:58<boredalot>fbi probably has some better to do that installing debian they have pro guys probably
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18:59<klon>anybody up?
18:59<abrotman>lots of people
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19:00<ratnick>2 ops 480 users
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19:00<klon>if have a i7 920 procesor, shuld i use the ia64 or amd64 version of debian?
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19:00<klon>ppl can still be alseep even if they are in the channel
19:00<boba>klon: amd64
19:01<klon>boba: cheers.
19:01<boba>ia64 refers to itanium, completely different.
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19:02<boredalot>klon, that kind of stuff on general is easy search your cpu if is 64bit so install proper
19:02<abrotman>klon: amd64 or i386, NOT ia64
19:02<boredalot>manual or website of cpy etc
19:02<klon>i did try googel if stated irc, i asure you.
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19:02<klon>but i was still confused.
19:03<klon>saved me a dvd :)
19:03<boredalot>tbh sometimes better ask
19:03<boredalot>if you are not sure and test crap but always back up
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19:04<klon>yeah. but have more then one hdd to play whit.
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19:11<ratnick>I found a pdf published 1999 on "Computer Architecture" U.of MA
19:12<klon>fun reading?
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19:12<boredalot>a bit old probably
19:12<ratnick>basics are basics
19:12<boredalot>except it is something like introductions
19:12<boredalot>yeah i mean that part
19:13<ratnick>history is history
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19:13<morphiss88>im new
19:13<boredalot>its not only about history some basic forms are same
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19:14<morphiss88>like hacking ethical?!!some people here?
19:16<babilen>morphiss88, boredalot: Is there something we can help you with?
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19:17<morphiss88>hi babilen,,im student of university of spain of security informatic and i want to find people like this?!!
19:18<abrotman>morphiss88: do you need help with Debian?
19:18<babilen>morphiss88: This is #debian and we provide technical support for Debian ( here. You are probably looking for a different channel.
19:18<boredalot>hm.. better need to search on forums and other kind of stuff morphiss88
19:18<boredalot>or some papers etc
19:19<morphiss88>no,thanks idont have problem with my OS only want change information and othr thinks,is learn more of this beautiful world!
19:19<abrotman>morphiss88: do you need help with Debian?
19:19<morphiss88>o thanks!
19:20<abrotman>morphiss88: this is not a social channel
19:20<ratnick>Use search engines
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19:25<klon>if i dont install grub in my mbr will i be abel to boot the system?
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19:25<ratnick>install on / is safer
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19:27<klon>but if i dont install it at all?
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19:28<jack86>My connection glitched out and I got disconnected.
19:28<jack86>My "jackle86" account is still on. Could you remove it from the chat? Thanks.
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19:28<klon>i dont want any bootloader on my windows disk at all.
19:29<ratnick>Or, if dual file system boot, multiple partitions
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19:29<ratnick>contact admin
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19:29<jackle86>Nah, It got fixed.
19:30<jackle86>Jackle86 pinged out and I changed my nick.
19:30<jackle86>So now I'm me again.
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19:31<klon>do i still need the bootloader if i choes witch disk to boot from bios?
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19:31<ratnick>all hdd's need partitioning
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19:32<klon>i have to speret hardrives
19:33<Chugato>I'm from Argentina south america
19:33<ratnick>use #debian-offtopic
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19:33<CaptainKraft>is there a way to find out what dependencies a .deb package needs before I run dpkg?
19:34<f0rk>CaptainKraft: dpkg -I
19:34<ratnick>apt-cache depends
19:35<f0rk>ratnick: that can't be called on a .deb, can it?
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19:35<ratnick>no just files
19:35<f0rk>just... what?
19:36<f0rk>a .deb would be a file :)
19:36<CaptainKraft>f0rk: when I run dpkg -I, it gives me "...contains no control component..."
19:36<ratnick>also: apt-cache rdepends try man apt-cache
19:37<f0rk>CaptainKraft: that sounds broken
19:37<ratnick>.deb's are compresses packages
19:37<devil>CaptainKraft: you want apt-cache depends <package> or, in case thsat dont work, run dpkg -i *.deb and when it fails, call apt-get -f install
19:37<CaptainKraft>ahhhh devil: that might work
19:38<devil>it usualy does
19:38<f0rk>ratnick: I know what I .deb is. I package things at $work
19:38<ratnick>xcuse me
19:38<f0rk>CaptainKraft: I'm just concerned that you have no control compoenent
19:38<f0rk>s/I .deb/a .deb/
19:38<CaptainKraft>devil: do I have to run dpkg again after apt-get finishes?
19:38<devil>f0rk: he ran it without a package name
19:39<devil>CaptainKraft: if it does not bsrf, no
19:39<devil>barf, even
19:40<devil>CaptainKraft: apt-get -f install should pull in the dependencies and then finish the install
19:40<ratnick>apt-get clean tidy's up
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19:40<CaptainKraft>once that is finished, how do I run it haha?
19:41<devil>CaptainKraft: from a menue or a terminal (as user)
19:41<boredalot>try terminal
19:41<ratnick>has to an executable
19:42<CaptainKraft>I'm not sure what I'm looking for :-/
19:42<devil>CaptainKraft: what is your app?
19:42<sney->if I'm not mistaken, it's the wine .debs from carbon project
19:43<sney->all wine usage is documented quite thoroughly at
19:43<devil>CaptainKraft: you call an app that needs wine and thsat will call wine
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19:44<devil>gotta run, its late
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19:44<CaptainKraft>thanks for the help
19:44<ratnick>nite nite
19:44<ratnick>it's the topic
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19:46<ratnick>Properties sheet lists whether an executable or not
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19:47<ratnick>choices: Run; Display: Run in Terminal
19:47<sney->ratnick are you just barking at print or what
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19:49<CaptainKraft>I don't think my .deb files installed. Here is what I got from running apt-get -f install
19:50<sney->oh, it removed them
19:50<sney->aptitude -f install is better in this case, though you'll need to install your debs again
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19:50<CaptainKraft>all of my .deb files are still in the folder
19:51<sney->you want to keep those libwine-* etc packages installed. sometimes apt's first solution to broken packages is to just uninstall them, with aptitude it offers you the option of fixing them instead
19:51<sney->yes, .deb files are not deleted or anything just by being installed
19:52<sney->gotta run. good luck
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19:52<CaptainKraft>OK, aptitude asked if I want to remove those packages the choices are y/n/q...
19:53<CaptainKraft>it also says no more solutions available
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19:54<CaptainKraft>sigh... It shouldn't be this difficult to install a few packages haha
19:54<voltagex>hi, I have a Dreamplug (Marvell kirkwood-based) - has anyone successfully used kernel 3.0.1 on these? I get a soft-oops when it tries to start the serial port...
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19:56<abrotman>voltagex: ARM? did you ask #debian-arm?
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19:57<voltagex>abrotman: oops! I'll head over there now
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19:58<voltagex>abrotman: thanks
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20:10<formolQC>hi. I just moved from Ubuntu to Debian. 1 drive (sata, ext4) (of 5, excluding the sdd with / and /home) are not available for unknow reason. ftsab is untouched and the disk is not see by "fdisk -l". also, another disc if detect by fdisk and gparted but not present in nautilus (/media)
20:10<formolQC>soneone can tell me please in which angle I should look at this problem.
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20:18<boredalot>at terminal with df etc cant find the disk?
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20:21<formolQC>boredalot : same result
20:22<boredalot>if the os cant see the hdd then might be any problem at hdd
20:22<formolQC>indeed. but it was working normally with Ubuntu, I just try with a live cd to double-check if the disk are correct
20:23<boredalot>maybe between change crashed?
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20:24<boredalot>you have dual boot?can you check if other os can see it?
20:24<formolQC>nope, only debian on a SDD (/ and /home) and 5 ext4 disc
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20:26<boredalot>sounds like crash to me
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20:27<formolQC>I don't like this sound heheh, I'll check that later, thx
20:27<boredalot>what sound something?
20:27<boredalot>believe the hdd?
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20:29<sney>formolQC: is the disk not detected by fdisk -l on a different controller from the others?
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20:44<formolQC>(Back). I'll boot live with kubuntu 11.10 x64
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20:52<GhostlyDeath>How do I patch the current package source tree with all the patches in debian/patches?
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20:55<GhostlyDeath>Or make dpkg-buildpackage create the temporary build directory, apply all the patches, then just stop and not delete anything
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20:59<GhostlyDeath>I've already looked there
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21:08<boredalot>on the link is the solution try one by one or something try those apps otherwise need to make a script
21:09<boredalot>(not easy)
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21:15<GhostlyDeath>I decided to just let dpkg-buildpackage run, then ctrl-z once it started to compiled, the copied the source directory elsewhere and built from that, heh
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21:20<GhostlyDeath>Very dirty though, very dirty
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21:49<iiu7>I'm trying to debug a NFS setup between two Debian Squeeze boxes. Both are set at 100 Mbit and I have checked with ethtool. They are connected with a 100Mbit switch, yet I cannot get NFS up to more than 8-10 MB/s when transferring files.
21:49<iiu7>I have tried different read and write values, but it still tops at 10 MB/s
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21:50<sney>half duplex?
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21:50<sney>if you set it to full duplex you might get up to 20 MB/s
21:50<iiu7>ethtool shows full duplex.
21:51<sney>on both, and the switch supports full duplex? check your cabling
21:51<iiu7>yes, on both and the switch supports full duplex.
21:51<iiu7>I'm gonna try another switch.
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21:57<iiu7>Same result, 3 different machines and 2 different switches, I have tried using 2 of the machines as NFS servers and changed them around, and I have checked the cables. Max about 10 MB/s.
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21:57<nevyn>iiu7: nfsv4?
21:57<nevyn>have you checked cpu utilisation during the transfer?
21:58<nevyn>it should be low.
21:58<nevyn>iiu7: btw 10Mbytes/s == 100mbit networking
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21:58<iiu7>I don't know what version of NFS it is, it's on Squeeze, the cpu is rather slow.
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21:59<iiu7>nevyn, damn lol, then I need a faster switch
21:59<nevyn>iiu7: and gigethernet
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22:00<iiu7>nevyn, thanks!
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22:04<CdK1>hi *
22:04<CdK1>I use Debian/Sid
22:04<CdK1>i have problem with ati radeon 6310hd
22:04<CdK1>mplayer+mkv crash
22:04<CdK1>any idea?
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22:34<Guest19345>anyone know what would cause my laptop to overheat after switiching to debian ?
22:35<jordanm>what version of debian?
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22:50<sney>can I help you
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22:51<bike>hey, im having trouble with iceweasel and gecko-mediaplayer, on arm, running iceweasel & mplayer from weezy seg faults iceweasel on any page load, anyone?
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22:52<sney>try in #debian-arm, but predictable segfaults are often a sign of bad ram
22:53<bike>dont think so, when i disable the plugin it works
22:53<bike>thanks tho
22:54<paroneayea>I get errors when running: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt" fakeroot apt-get -b source gnome-shell
22:54<paroneayea>I did build-dep for gnome-shell
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22:55<paroneayea>specifically, the first error seems to start with:
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22:55<paroneayea>unknown type name G_CONST_RETURN
22:55<abrotman>bike: is this a gnome-ish box ?
22:56<paroneayea> it looks like this macro is being deprecated, so maybe that's related(?)
22:56<bike>abdulkarim, lxde
22:56<paroneayea>on debian testing.
22:56<abrotman>bike: okay .. nevermind then
22:56<bike>kk, im running almost the exact same setup on my main box here , but im using firefox from mozilla
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22:57<sney>paroneayea: building gnome-shell? gnome3 is pretty lumpy
22:57<paroneayea>sney: yeah I'm trying to get a stacktrace for another bug I filed :\
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22:58<paroneayea> specifically.
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23:07<bike>hmh ,apparently its a known bug , of sorts
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23:15<i5yq>Hello, I'm tracking debian testing and I'm working with the Gnome 3 devs to fix a bug, but they need me to install the mutter, gnome-shell, gjs, glib dbg packages for the debugging symbols for the backtrace. I have install gnome-dbg and a few other dbg packages, but the ones listed are not included in the gnome-dbg metapackage and I can't find debug packages for those listed. Can anyone please help?
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23:16<sney>i5yq: get creative with aptitude search and your wildcards
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23:17<i5yq>sney: I have already done that and come up bupkis
23:18<i5yq>there are only 2 gnome-shell package in the repo period (neither are debug). Similar for the other needs. Sure they are included somewhere in the debian testing repos???
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23:19<sney>i5yq: they might be in sid; /msg dpkg tum
23:20<i5yq>I'll give sid a quick look-see
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23:23<i5yq>sney: et al I just looked through all referrences to mutter on and nothing labeled dbg (or debug) came up. I'm not sure what you mean by /msg dpkg tum.
23:23<i5yq>Same thing with gnome-shell (only to packages in sid)
23:25<sney>our channel bot is dpkg; doing /msg dpkg keyword in your irc client causes dpkg to send you some information; but if your packages aren't in sid then it doesn't matter anyway (the information in question was how to mix testing and sid without accidentally upgrading to sid.)
23:25<sney>I don't know what to say at this point other than possibly email the gnome3 maintainers and ask what the deal is with the dbg packages
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23:26<i5yq>sney: ok. Thanks. Great idea. How can in find out the email to the gnome3 maintainers?
23:27<sney> will list them for a given package in the right hand column
23:27<sney>aptitude show will also tell you, usually
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23:28<i5yq>sney: OK. Great. Thanks!
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23:48*usacomputertec is away: Even I need a break once in a while. Be Back In A Bit. May Jesus Bless You !
23:50<dpkg>Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting > General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced.
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