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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-05

---Logopened Mon Dec 05 00:00:46 2011
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00:05<pumafyre>I've installed squeeze on my ppc mac, and the colors in my gui are messed up. they worked fine when it was ubuntu. any ideas?
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00:24<rigved>hello everyone
00:26<rigved>i have a debian machine with squeeze + gnome installed. it was working fine for 5 months since i installed it. now suddenly, it has stopped booting.
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00:26<Nemoder_>rigved: how far does it get?
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00:27<rigved>i see the grub menu. whether i select the normal mode or the recovery mode, i still get dropped to a busybox shell. the prompt says initramfs
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00:27<rigved>there is a lot of stuff on the screen
00:28<Nemoder_>usually the last few lines will say where it is stuck, sounds like it can't find the root partition though if it's dumping to busybox
00:28<rigved>i scrolled up and found the first line saying: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging rquest
00:28<rigved>yes
00:28<rigved>it says that it is unable to mount /dev, /sys and /proc
00:29<rigved>no such file or directory
00:29<Nemoder_>you will probably need to boot a recovery cd and see if you can mount the filesystems manually
00:29<rigved>i have a squeeze cd, from which i had installed it initially. will that work? for recovery?
00:30<Nemoder_>hm I think so
00:30<rigved>Nemoder_: ok. thanks. let me try.
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01:02<rigved>Nemoder_: hi. my net had stopped working. so, i have been able to get to recovery mode. it asks me to choose the root partition. i did that. so, i can access all the executables in /bin and /usr/bin. now, how do i correct the problem? the initial problem said that it was unable to mount /dev, /sys and /proc.
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01:03<Nemoder_>rigved: try this guide http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover
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01:06<Nemoder_>if it's not an issue with grub then it might be a problem with udev, i'm not sure how to fix that
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01:06<fat_tone>does anyone know an easy way to backup a bazaar repository?
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01:08<rigved>Nemoder_: ok. thanks anyways. i'm currently checking the debian wiki on rescue mode.
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01:19<rigved>the wiki did not have anything that i could use.
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01:53<GoonHost>Hello
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01:54<sney>hi
01:56<GoonHost>Hey mate just testing this client
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01:58<sney>!test
01:58<dpkg>Test failed.
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02:15<troll>is there a backport for my graphic driver now?
02:15<sney>which?
02:16<troll>geforce gtx 560 ti
02:16<sney>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
02:16<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1
02:17<sney>not released yet but babilen was working on getting it packaged, come back during business hours in UK time and bug him about it
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02:17<troll>babien rox :P
02:18<troll>can you tell me in how many hours? i have an other GTM i fear
02:18<sney>approximately 2-3 hours
02:19<troll>means i could troll 2-3 hours but im too scared :S
02:19<jm_>it's supposed to be listed here, but hasn't been for 10 days now -- http://backports-master.debian.org/dak/new.html
02:20<troll>jm_ u r gonna fix all the bugs there?
02:20<jm_>troll: do you even understand what the list of bugs on that page means?
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02:21<troll>jm_ they are closed but have to get verified?
02:22<troll>okey im clueless will be quiet now :S
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02:56<tgki>df lk;lk\
02:56<tgki>;l,asf;ls,\
02:56<tgki>kslc,s\
02:56<tgki>l;l;scdsc\
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04:32<hoshi411>is there a way to just completely ignore all currently instaled binaries/packages and completely do a base reinstall with aptitude or dpkg or apt-get without having to reformat etc..?
04:32<jm_>hoshi411: debootstrap might help
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04:33<hoshi411>jm what about just taking my current broken system , since it is still useful without an xwindow system and running an OS install script with it?
04:33<hoshi411>is that possible
04:33<hoshi411>OS installs usually want you to boot up from a disk or usb or something right
04:34<hoshi411>arg
04:34<hoshi411>debootstraP
04:34<hoshi411>?
04:34<hoshi411>hmm
04:34<hoshi411>not familiar with that
04:34<jm_>hoshi411: why is it broken?
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04:34<hoshi411>jm_ it's a computer I am using for testing right now so.... ive been really hacking away at it
04:35<hoshi411>jm_ do you know about the asus slider ?
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04:35<hoshi411>its like the transformer
04:35<jm_>hoshi411: no
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04:35<hoshi411>basically it is a tegra nvidia armel tablet
04:35<hoshi411>which has android on it
04:35<hoshi411>but I really wanted to put debian on it
04:35<hoshi411>but before I do that I just have been playing around with chroot
04:36<hoshi411>first debian was hard to install on chroot for somereason so I was forced to install ubuntu
04:36<hoshi411>that didn't go well cause ubuntu is way not up to speed with armel ... not as much as debian is that is
04:36<hoshi411>so I threw some debian repos on the source list and commented out ubuntu
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04:37<hoshi411>then installed lxde debian
04:37<hoshi411>that was working nice
04:37<hoshi411>in fact that is the best thing I have found yet for nvidia armel devices
04:38<hoshi411>so far I have tried bodhi mobile , kde mobile, ubuntu unity2d and lxde
04:38<hoshi411>best most functional yet is lxde through debian
04:38<hoshi411>anyways
04:38<hoshi411>after that I tried installing kde mobile and that messed things up
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04:38<hoshi411>so it was a pretty messed up system to begin with
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04:40<jm_>I'd just use debootstrap (but you can't do this with fs mounted in a running OS)
04:40<hoshi411>ive been trying to get rid of all the old ubuntu packages and make it pure debian but after a few apt-get remove --purge commands things got messed up
04:40<hoshi411>jm_ hmm but the os I will be doing it on is only a loop file ...
04:40<hoshi411>so it doesn't need to be mounted
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04:41<jm_>hoshi411: well it needs to be mounted for debootstrap to work, what I am trying to say is you can't boot an OS and run debootstrap to replace itself (or rather you can, but what will happen ...)
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04:43<hoshi411>hmm
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04:44<hoshi411>I wish I could do "apt-get remove all except debian-core"
04:44<hoshi411>or something like that
04:44<hoshi411>and then start from there
04:44<hoshi411>with the current kernel
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04:44<jm_>you can do such things with aptitude
04:44<hoshi411>really
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04:46<SynrG>in-place replacing ubuntu with debian? lunacy. supposing you manage to actually succeed in getting your system back to a "pristine" state.
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04:46<SynrG>what are you going to use as criteria for success?
04:47<SynrG>and how do you get support for such a thing? wouldn't there always be a shadow of doubt that what you have is purely debian?
04:47<SynrG>so i do think debootstrapping a new chroot and starting fresh from that is the best way to go rather than continuing to try to transform what you have now.
04:48<SynrG>you say "first debian was hard to install on chroot for some reason" ... would be nice to have details about that.
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04:49<hoshi411>SynrG : yea im a lune ^_^ this is my testing device by the way. not a serious effort yet but I am learnin a lot in the process.
04:49<hoshi411>I would love to figure out why debian would not work the first time
04:49<hoshi411>i came here trying to get help with it but ... was turned away because it was an android device and app I was using to do the install
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04:50<hoshi411>there was a problem with the "linux installer" app getting through to the debian repositories becauase it would not accept ipv6 or something like that
04:50<hoshi411>is what the creator of the app told me O_o
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04:51<hoshi411>but since then he has not posted an update to the app so it remains a broken app
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04:51<hoshi411>i wouldnt know how to get debian chroot going on this device other than that app though
04:51<hoshi411>im not that smart
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04:54<simonw>Getting dhclient errors about hlen not being 6. Sure it isn't a problem for the Debian box concerned (since it recognizes the flawed packet) but I assume someone is attempting to exploit something. Still trying to get a packet dump (seems dhcpdump doesn't log horribly corrupt packets, so using tcpdump directly). Anyone else seeing this? I think I'm seeing it because the virtual hosting provider has odd DHCP filtering rules *judging by the output
04:54<simonw>of dhcpdump anyway, there is some odd stuff in there that isn't to the broadcast address*
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05:03<onryo>any recommendations on a 120GB ssd?
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05:04<senzanamico>BUONGIORNO A TUTTI !!
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05:07<onryo>using Debian GNU/Linux 3.1.0-1, xfce as DE, lightdm, compiz for composting wm with emerald for wm decorator on a z68 mobo SB 2600 with 32 GB RAM
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05:13<SynrG>hoshi411: well, good luck. yeah, we support Debian here and really can't help with some franken-OS such as you've produced :/
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05:15<hoshi411>SynrG: I found the error I was getting
05:15<hoshi411>"failed getting release file http://[2001:610:1908:b000::148:12]/debian/dists/stable/Release"
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05:15<hoshi411>this is the error I got when trying to install debian
05:16<hoshi411>on the loop file
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05:16<hoshi411>If I can get passed this error then I wont have a "franken-OS" /:)
05:16<hoshi411>right
05:17<hoshi411>in fact my goal in coming here is to get rid of my franken-OS and make it a pure debian os right
05:17<SynrG>right. but i'm not sure if it is even possible to get a pure debian install on an android device
05:18<SynrG>and if, as you say, you're "not that smart", then ... well, i would look for someone out there who has managed to bootstrap debian onto the device and follow their instructions
05:18<hoshi411>SynrG: hmm. how much longer will you be on here today?
05:20<SynrG>well, my workday starts soon. i'm not likely to be much use as a continuing source of help with this particular problem in any case.
05:20<hoshi411>SynrG: welp thank for your help so far
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05:59<babilen>sney: Note that I have merely compiled the packages and made them available and that the actual backporting has been done by anbe.
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06:04<gnugr>babilen: for gforce gtx?
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06:06<babilen>gnugr: nvidia 280.13 - IIRC gtx is supported in that version. The current version in testing/sid (290) might also hit backports soonish, but it still needs to be sponsored and has (as of now) not yet appeared on http://backports-master.debian.org/dak/new.html
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06:08<gnugr>babilen: good news
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06:13<gnugr>bony: have you try to get iceweasel's extentions from firefox addons?
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06:25<zero_>does anyone know why the virtuoso-opensource package is broken from the stable repos?
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06:25<bony>gnugr: I am trying that but firefox itself is not running. i tried running firefox from the command prompt it give me an error sying that "XPCOMGlueLoad error for file "<path>/libxpcom.so:"
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06:26<gnugr>bony: what version of iceweasel you run
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06:27<bony>8.0
06:27<gnugr>that can as well get firefox's addons
06:28<gnugr>https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/
06:29<zero_>how do I tell apt-get or aptitude to install the dependencies of a package but not the package itself?
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06:30<bony>gnugr: I figured out that i have gnome 3.0.1 version and extensions can only be installed in gnome 3.2. Most of the applications are in 3.2 but when i check the system info it says i have gnome 3.0.1
06:31<bony>and according to extensions.gnome.org site it says that one need to have gnome 3.2 to get these extensions working.
06:31<gnugr>bony: please join #debian-next to ask about
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06:33<bony>gnugr: oops. some one reffered to me the same channel last time. i keep forgetting that. sure i will join the channel.
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06:38<babilen>zero_: What are you trying to achieve? You can do this with aptitude "aptitude install '~R^PKG$'" where PKG is the package in question.
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06:39<zero_>babilen: thank you!!! although I think my problem has no solution, the package im looking for is not built for my architecture
06:40<babilen>zero_: What is your problem?
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06:41<zero_>babilen: I'm trying to install the virtuoso-opensource-6.1 package for the ARM arquitecture, I thought there was a problem with the repos so I figured I could download the dependencies and install the package manually but the problem is that virtuoso-opensource-6.1 doesn't exist for ARM on the repos
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06:48<babilen>zero_: Yes, the build failed on armel: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=virtuoso-opensource -- The FTBFS bug is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574783
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06:50<zero_>babilen: ohh wow thank you so much! I didn't know I could check that out, hope they fix it soon =(
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07:10<p0wn3d>hi any can help me?, i've a problem with debian instalation its block at partition disc "analice disc" and dosen't do anything :( few moths ago i can install :(
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07:19<jm_>p0wn3d: you can inspect what's going on on tty2
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07:20<jm_>or not
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07:20<benjr>i've built a new box with a single (small) ssd, i want to re-purpose my old box as a file server, im still at the planning stages and am yet to install an OS on it, a core2duo running only as a file server seems a waste, what are some other things i could use the box for also?
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07:21<jm_>file server with a small ssd?
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07:21<benjr>sorry theyre 2 seperate boxes
07:21<jm_>you could stick a proxy on it
07:21<benjr>new box has the ssd, old one has mechaincal drives, its the old one im trying to find of multipl uses for
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07:24<benjr>i should probably google poxy, but as i understand it their primary role is for caching and management, thats porbably not helpful to me as the old internet user in this household
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07:25<benjr>the only*
07:25<jm_>depends, it can be used to remove ads etc.
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07:27<benjr>if i went down the virtualisation route, what sort of performance impact would that have it as a file server?
07:27<benjr>on it*
07:27<benjr>all typos today :s
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07:29<jm_>you mean to run VM-s on it?
07:30<benjr>yeah, if i want to give it multiple roles (and just for the fun of it), it might be easier to run vm's on it, just wondered how a file server as vm performs?
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07:41<troll>is bablien here now?
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07:41<troll>i bet if i start trolling he apears asap :P
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07:47<PANTOJA>olaaaaaaa
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07:48<PANTOJA>olaaaaaaa
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07:48<PANTOJA>'iW9QR
07:48<PANTOJA>kdkeekeekekekekekkekekekekek?????
07:48<PANTOJA>ggggghilo8weh
07:48<bfly>totally
07:48<PANTOJA>Hola?
07:49<bfly>#debian-es
07:49<bfly>jamz: stop spamming, thanks.
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07:50<PANTOJA>You're a shits
07:50<PANTOJA>!
07:50<PANTOJA>JILIPOLLAS!
07:50<PANTOJA>You smell like a ampyst!
07:50<PANTOJA>Brujas mierdosas de poca monta!
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07:50<berto>PANTOJA: tío, vete a dar por saco a otro lado
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07:51<PANTOJA>Que no coño! Brujos mierdosos!
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07:56<cthuluh>anyone annoyed by jamz and his spam?
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07:59<gruetzkopf>cthuluh, yes, me
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08:20<troll>babilen are you here?
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08:23<troll>guys i need the graphic card drive
08:24<troll>driver... mine is not working anymore
08:24<jm_>you can backport it yourself
08:24<troll>it is here now?
08:24<jm_>no, backport it yourself is not the same as installing it from backports
08:25<troll>so what do i have to do?
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08:25<jm_>!ssb
08:25<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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08:26<abrotman>anymore ?
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08:27<troll>come on i never manage to do these things exept checking -.-
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08:28<abrotman>english ?
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08:29<troll>abrotman havent u been the graphc card nerd?
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08:29<elench>:/ anyone know of a package for notebook power management? My screen dies after every hibernation and so does my wireless
08:29<troll>-.-
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08:31<theocrite>Grub needs an awful lot of time to load on my lappy (>10s), where can that come from ?
08:31<theocrite>I tried to reinstall the package and manually run grub-install, but still it waits for a long time.
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08:32<jm_>theocrite: probably BIOS being slow at it then
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08:34<troll>okey guys can u plz stop makeing fun of me and help me to compile (or whatever) my driver?
08:34<abrotman>!wud
08:34<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
08:35*f0rk is totally teaching the irc bot at $work that
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08:35<theocrite>jm_: I wasn't always like that. As far as I remember other distros were pretty fast.
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08:37<jm_>theocrite: with the same grub version?
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08:38<troll>bablien u managed tu build the driver i need?
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08:39<babilen>troll: Yes, I did.
08:39<theocrite>jm_: I'm not sure. I'll try with grub 1 to be sure.
08:39<theocrite>Thanks.
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08:40<troll>babilen can you help me makeing it work on my computer? =)
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08:42<troll>babilen please ?
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08:43<babilen>troll: No
08:43<troll>babilen pretty please =)
08:44<troll>come on... i realy would need it
08:45<jm_>alternative is to upgrade to testing I guess
08:46<troll>jm_ is there a way to just upgrade a part of my system so i can have the driver? im scrared of testing...
08:47<jm_>troll: in general yes, but you'll soon end up upgrading the base too
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08:47<abrotman>he said they were working .. didn't he?
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08:48<troll>jm_ the problem is i wont know what to do if i experiance a bug and babilen bans me again :S
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08:48<jm_>troll: well act sanely and people won't ban you
08:48<jm_>but off now
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08:49<troll>babilen pretty pretty please! im lagging terrible at my favourite FPS!
08:51<troll>=(
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08:53<troll>is babilen even here?
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08:54<troll>jm_ ur still here?
08:54<babilen>troll: Which part of "No" don't you understand. So please drop it now and do not highlight me. I will answer if I have something to say.
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08:56<anon>\ping
08:56<anon>any one on and wanting assistance with ANYTHING Debian related?
08:57<troll>yes me with my driver problem
08:57<anon>what is the nature of the issue?
08:58<troll>anon driver not available for stable release (Nvidia GTX 560 TI) and i dont know where i get it. lagging bad at fps plz help
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08:59<anon>what distro/release?
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08:59<troll>debian squeeze 32 bit 2.6.32-5-686
09:01<anon>okay, one moment
09:01<gnugr>troll: did you search with module-assistant?
09:01<troll>gnugr im clueless what that is. sry
09:02<anon>try apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
09:02<troll>i installed the nvidia version of the driver but everyitime im updateing my system the nvidia installed driver is bitching :/
09:02<troll>anon do i have to uninsall my nvidia one first?
09:02<gnugr>troll: install module-assistant
09:03<anon>yes troll
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09:03<troll>anon how do i can do that? with module assistent?
09:03<anon>sudo apt-get remove
09:04<gnugr>troll: do you have squeeze-backports in your sources.list?
09:04<troll>anon remove what? i installed it via ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-290.10.run
09:05<troll>gnugr yes
09:05<gnugr>good
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09:05<troll>anon sry for beeing noob but im not sure how to do =/
09:05<gnugr>troll: now "aptitude install module-assistant"
09:06<troll>gnugr... nothing installed.. i think it already is installed...
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09:07<gnugr>ok
09:07<troll>gnugr what now?
09:07<anon>try running apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common
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09:07<gnugr>troll: "m-a update && m-a prepare "
09:07<troll>anon it installed something
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09:08<anon>looks like gnugr has this one. i'll check back later
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09:09<troll>anon im not sure wich one of you i should listen... sry
09:09<troll>gnugr 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
09:09<troll>gnugr i havent seen that sry Updated infos about 40 packages
09:09<anon>try this then: m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
09:09<gnugr>troll; in root terminal give " m-a "
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09:10<troll>gnugr do i have to uninstall my current driver before i do that?
09:11<gnugr>wich driver?
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09:11<troll>dont know exactly run NVIDIA-Linux-x86-290.10.run wich i found on the nvidia website :S
09:12<SynrG>!nvidia
09:12<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
09:12<SynrG>shouldn't this conversation be happening at #nvidia @ freenode?
09:12<troll>SynrG i have a ban there so no
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09:12<SynrG>so we get #nvidia's rejects? sorry, that's not appropriate.
09:13<troll>anon giveing the terminal ur command now (pretty scared)
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09:13<grove>SynrG: It's worse than that, troll also has a ban here, which he's just evading
09:13<SynrG>anon, gnugr: if you want to help, please take it off-channel
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09:13<anon>where can we find you troll?
09:13<troll>#debian-offtopic
09:14<troll>anon unless u suggest an other one
09:14<gnugr>SynrG: whats wrong helping him?
09:14<anon>that one is fine.
09:14<SynrG>gnugr: there's nothing wrong with helping him. please see the nvidia factoid, however.
09:14<troll>GynrG i try to uninstall the nvidia one and install the one from DEBIAN source so it IS debian related lamer!
09:15<weasel>guess that answers that
09:15<gnugr>ok i give up
09:16<SynrG>troll: i guess the factoid is wrong and we need to update it. thank you for helping us see the light.
09:16<SynrG></sarcasm>
09:16<troll>SynrG whats the problem? we ro going anyway -.-
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09:17<SynrG>there is no problem, since you're now on my ignore list
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09:19<lamah>E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
09:19<lamah>i got that on gnome install, and installer cannot continue, what is that?
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09:21<babilen>troll: To make it clear: Drivers from nvidia are *not* supported here, so you have to ask in #nvidia on freenode. Compiling the backported drivers from sid is (IMHO) way out of your abilities right now and I have no inclination to walk you through it. You can find it here: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers/branches/squeeze-backports/
09:22<anon>* there are some of us willing to help.
09:22<lamah>who knows?
09:22<anon>anon out..
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09:22<troll>babilen thx for that... im talking with the guys who REALY wanna help private
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09:23<abrotman>troll: perhaps you should use a distro more suited toward people that are less technical?
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09:25<doomcup>Hi, I'm having some trouble with the wacom pen on my thinkpad x41 under debian squeeze
09:25<doomcup>I finally got it working about 20 minutes ago, but I decided to see what would happen if I put a sheet of paper between the pen and the screen
09:26<doomcup>This seems to have confused it, and now the cursor jumps wildly around and randomly clicks mousebutton 1 whenever I try to use it
09:26<doomcup>No amount of restarting the x server has fixed it
09:26<doomcup>I've tried finding out via google if there was a way to reset it, but had no luck
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09:27<doomcup>Any help would be greatly appreciated
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09:28<troll>anon gone now?
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09:38<doomcup>Are there any logs I can check? dmesg didn't seem to have anything useful to say
09:39<doomcup>Is there a way to reset the wacom settings or how it aligns to the screen?
09:39<gnugr>doomcup: try this, i hope it helps you: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad
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09:40<doomcup>gnugr, thanks, checking it now
09:41<doomcup>gnugr, sorry, no
09:41<doomcup>No pages on the x41 even mention wacom at all
09:42<doomcup>I was hard pressed to find anything at all anywhere, especially on troubleshooting
09:42<gnugr>check this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card
09:43<doomcup>What would that have to do with the wacom?
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09:43<doomcup>gnugr, do you know what wacom is?
09:43<abrotman>hehe
09:44<doomcup>It's not a network device, it's not connected by minipci, it's an input device
09:44<hoshi411>can ssh also work as a vnc server?
09:44<hoshi411>i mean actually serve xorg?
09:45<Torsten_W>the x-server has to be on the client
09:45<Torsten_W>then ssh -X can tunnel the x-protocol
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09:46<scraze>doomcup: you can use xsetwacom to manipule wacom's Xorg settings, see man xsetwacom for the available options
09:46<doomcup>There is no man page
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09:46<doomcup>doomcup@foxy:~$ man xsetwacom
09:46<doomcup>No manual entry for xsetwacom
09:46<doomcup>See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
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09:47<gnugr>what about "man 4 wacom"?
09:48<doomcup>I don't see anything on xsetwacom
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09:49<doomcup>And I'm not sure I understand the man page
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09:50<scraze>doomcup: excuse me, the man page for xsetwacom is added in wheezy :/
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09:50<doomcup>That's okay, easy mistake to make
09:51<doomcup>In order to get it to work at all, I had to create two files
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09:51<doomcup>I'm not sure how having a piece of paper on the screen while using the pen confuses wacom so badly
09:51<doomcup>Almost irreparably so
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09:52<scraze>doomcup: without the man page I guess your best shot is xsetwacom --help, xsetwacom --list parameters might get you started .. of course you could snag the one man page from the wheezy package ;]..
09:52<gnugr>check also in /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html
09:53<doomcup>But it's not usb
09:53<doomcup>It's serial
09:53<gnugr>ok
09:53<doomcup>It's built into the laptop
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09:54<doomcup>Besides, that page isn't on my system
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09:54<scraze>does that also mean it shows up to Xorg as a mouse or is it still using xserver-xorg-input-wacom ?
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09:55<doomcup>It should be using xserver-xorg-input-wacom
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09:55<scraze>in that case xsetwacom should be effective
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09:56<user>know how I can burn an iso to disk while in live session?
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09:58<doomcup>Okay, I've gotten it to list devices, but when I try to use the given device names, it claims it can't find it
09:59<doomcup>http://pastebin.com/kSivmw3D
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10:04<doomcup>If it helps, I followed this page to set it up
10:04<doomcup>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Wacom_Serial_Tablet_PC_Stylus
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10:05<scraze>doomcup: I only have a wheezy to test with here but iirc the last word in capitals is the input type, but isn't part of the device name - try xsetwacom get "Serial Wacom Tablet" TopX
10:05<doomcup>That worked
10:05<doomcup>Thanks
10:06<doomcup>Now to figure this out
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10:08<doomcup>Okay, I was able to get the params
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10:09<doomcup>They seem alright
10:09<doomcup>The values of the screen in pixels is correct
10:10<doomcup>I honestly have no idea what else to do here
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10:11<doomcup>Is there a simple reset command or a config file I can rename or delete?
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10:15<scraze>doomcup: as far as I know the configuration file would be /etc/X11/Xorg.conf .. don't know of a reset command, would it survive a rmmod wacom && modprobe wacom ?
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10:16<doomcup>scraze, I have no /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
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10:17<doomcup>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Wacom_Serial_Tablet_PC_Stylus I used the instructions on this page listed for Xorg > 1.8
10:17<doomcup>Or sorry, X Server > 1.8
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10:18<doomcup>But honestly, I don't see how a piece of paper could have messed things up so badly
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10:18<doomcup>Or at all
10:18<scraze>indeed, that's a bad omen
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10:20<doomcup>I've never used wacom before, is it normal for paper on top of the tablet to have any effect?
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10:25<scraze>hm, I only have a Wacom Bamboo Fun over USB here and it doesn't mind much what I put between it an the pen .. :/
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10:25<doomcup>Well, this is older
10:25<doomcup>Much older
10:25<doomcup>So I don't know how it works
10:26<scraze>doomcup: is it an isdv4-serial kind of thing?
10:27<doomcup>I don't know
10:27<doomcup>Maybe
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10:28<scraze>hrm.. if it is, there might be some hope in the form of isdv4-serial-debugger which is a binary in xserver-xorg-input-wacom in squeeze-backports
10:28<scraze>really a shot in the dark though.
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10:31<doomcup>To use that it looks like I'd have to completely replace my xorg
10:32<doomcup>This makes me a bit nervous, but I'll give it a shot
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10:34<doomcup>rebooting, hopefully this works
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10:40<doomcup>Good news!
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10:41<doomcup>I finished rebooting after installing the debian-backports version of xorg and the thing works perfectly now
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10:41<doomcup>I'll be sure not to repeat the thing with the paper again
10:41<doomcup>Thanks for all your help
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10:48<scraze>doomcup: hooray :] I hope it sticks (the solution, not the paper ;])
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10:49<troll>guys i get an error when i apt-get upgrade => http://paste.debian.net/148184/ how to fix it?
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10:54<sney>troll: aptitude -f install
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10:56<XeonBloomfield>Hello
10:56<troll>sney not working http://paste.debian.net/148190/
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10:57<XeonBloomfield>With Xfce is installed something what set terminal (TTY1, etc.) resolution during startup, what is it?
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10:57<XeonBloomfield>(I think that it is with Xfce)
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11:01<troll>do i have to reinstall the system now?
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11:04<troll>come on guys can anyone tell me whats going wrong? http://paste.debian.net/148190/
11:04<sney>troll: just removing the nvidia packages should work
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11:05<troll>sney does it kill my driver?
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11:10<troll>sney does it kill my driver?
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11:13<nodiscc1>hi all, i have a bash script that does a backup of config files for some applications (ffox bookmarks, pidgin accounts, gnote notes...). I'd like to have a GUI for this, so i've made one with Glade. Now how do I call my script functions from the GUI? Anyone have good links on how to program with glade+bash? thx
11:13<nodiscc1>or would it be better to start from scratch with python+gtk?
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11:14<nodiscc>sorry, got disconnected. Any ideas?
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11:16<melmothX_>nodiscc: for me having a gui do backups is a bad choise. Isn't better a script you can add to crontab?
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11:19<sney>troll: if you're getting those errors your driver is already not working anyway
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11:20<nodiscc>melmothX_: i have antoher backup system like this. The one i'm trying to build is actually for users who want to sync simple settings (accounts, bookmarks) to other devices, without using network synchronisation services (dropbox and the like)
11:21<melmothX_>oh, i see
11:21<nodiscc>things like having their IM accounts, notes on a usb key
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11:22<nodiscc>not a "real" backup, that's what i mean.
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11:22<nodiscc>it's more like a selective "export your settings" app
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11:28<anon>troll?
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11:31<doomcup>Oh, dear
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11:31<doomcup>It didn't stick after all
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11:31<anon>any one need support?
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11:33<abrotman>or just wait for them to ask ?
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11:37<wojtala>hello everyone. I know it's talk for #debian-next, but there's nobody to help and I wonder if you could. after one upgrade (sid, x86_64) shm stopped working and it's not mounting by itself. I didn't change anything in /etc regarding shm, don't have any idea why it's not working. guess it's a matter of initscripts, but don't know why
11:37<valerie>I run debian squeeze - I have an atheros wifi - if i do iwconfig I can see wlan0 however I cannot see wifi network choice - I try to do ifup wlan0 - any hints ?
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11:38<wojtala>valerie, maybe modprobe ath9k ?
11:39<valerie>vojtala: I did that - perhaps I loaded other atheros modules before ?
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11:39<valerie>!paste
11:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
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11:43<babilen>valerie: Where can't you see wifi choice? (and what do you mean by that?)
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11:44<valerie>babilen: I looked at lsmod and it seem that I have 3 or four atheros entries - can I unload them ? and reload one ? Can It be the problem ? here is lsmod iwconfig
11:44<valerie>lo no wireless extensions.
11:44<valerie>eth0 no wireless extensions.
11:44<valerie>wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn ESSID:off/any
11:44<valerie> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=off
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11:46<valerie_>sorry guys - http://paste.debian.net/148198/
11:46<babilen>valerie_: Didn't you ask the bot about <paste> shortly before? Please paste the output. Can you see wireless networks when you run "iwlist wlan0 scan" ? (as root)
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11:47<valerie_>the output from lsmod and iwconfig are pasted
11:47<babilen>valerie_: yeah, thanks. Looks fine.
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11:49<babilen>valerie_: So, can you see networks when you run "iwlist wlan0 scan"?
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11:50<valerie_>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
11:50<babilen>valerie_: Ah, sorry. Please try "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" :)
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11:51<valerie_>babilen: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 wlan0: Unknown host
11:52<valerie_>how can I remove all atheros stuff - including modules
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11:52<babilen>valerie_: Ok, lets start over. Please give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" as well as "modprobe -r ath9k ; modprobe ath9k ; dmesg | tail -n 20"
11:53<sney>why would you want to remove atheros modules? I thought you wanted your network to _work_
11:53<gnugr>has he wireless_tools installed?
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11:54<babilen>s/he/she ?
11:54<troll>dude are you kidding me?
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11:54<troll>i cant even start gdm3
11:54<valerie_>sney - I might have enable too many versions ? - from lsmod I posted - something is not right though
11:54<sney>valerie_: just do what babilen says, he knows what he's doing
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11:55<babilen>heh
11:55<benjr>quick question, installing debian onto a compact flash card, a simple task for a linux amateur or not?
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11:55<valerie_>yes the wireless-tools are installed
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11:55<sney>benjr: depends on what you mean by amateur, but I'd say the install should be easy but making it boot from a CF card might be moderately difficult, depending on hardware
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11:56<xavi>CC
11:56<valerie_>babilen: 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002a] (rev 01)
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11:57<valerie_>there are tho lines there
11:57<benjr>sney, ive seen CF to IDE adapters on cheap hong kong sites, would the bios not just think it was a regualr hard drive?
11:58<babilen>valerie_: "tho" ? Why don't you paste the entire output to http://paste.debian.net ? Also: What have *you* done to enable it?
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11:58<sney>benjr: yeah, that would make it easy. I said depending on hardware. I didn't know if you were doing that, or trying to use a usb reader, or a built-in...
11:58<sney>benjr: it won't be fast though
11:58<benjr>sney, really? i thought it would be atleast as fast as a mechanical drive
11:59<valerie_>sorry tho/two
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12:00<benjr>sney, ive got a box with 2x 3tb drives, i want to make it a file server, id rather not partition them for OS and data, I thought a CF card as the OS drive woudl be a cheap a fast solution
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12:00<valerie_>oh ----> is only one line 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002a] (rev 01)
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12:01<babilen>valerie_: Ok, and the second command?
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12:03<sney>benjr: cf is generally not quick. but given enough ram it might be ok, just take a while to boot
12:03<valerie_>babilen http://paste.debian.net/148199/
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12:04<babilen>valerie_: Ok, does "ifconfig wlan0 up" work now?
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12:06<valerie_>babilen: no - this is what i got ---> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132
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12:07<benjr>sney, when a video file on that box is being accessed by a PC somewhere else on my network, what part does the ram play? if the whole file held in the file servers ram, or is it read only a part at a time? does the ram of the box that playing the video matter?
12:08<babilen>valerie_: Still? Which version of Debian is this? Which kernel do you use? Please paste commands *and* output of "cat /etc/debian_version" "uname -r" "ifconfig wlan0 up" "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy wireless-tools"
12:08<benjr>is the whole*
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12:08<babilen>valerie_: Ah, please add "modprobe -r ath9k ; modprobe ath9k ; dmesg | tail -n 50" to that
12:09<philipp>so im back but i dont know how to speak with you here
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12:09<grummund>Why is /etc/sudoers installed read-only (even to root) ?
12:09<sney>benjr: uh, that would depend heavily on what else the server is doing at the time
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12:09<Zaba>grummund, because you're supposed to use visudo to edit it.
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12:10<babilen>!tell grummund -about sudoers
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12:11<babilen>valerie_: "cat /etc/hosts" and "cat /etc/hostname" would also be interesting.
12:11<grummund>ok, what Bad Thing could happen if /etc/sudoers is edited with other than visudo?
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12:12<grummund>(as a matter of interest)
12:12<babilen>grummund: Nothing if you made no mistake -- Just edit it with visudo as it checks for correct syntax. For "give-this-user-root" changes, just add the user in question to the "sudo" group
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12:13<grummund>yes, but that only works if one has edited /etc/sudoers to remove the comment in the first place ;)
12:13<valerie_>babilen: is the same something is really screwed - I will reinstall the whole system
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12:14<babilen>grummund: Huh? I thought it is enabled by default. (at least in squeeze)
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12:14<babilen>valerie_: Please show me the output (and your exact commands) -- You can still reinstall ;)
12:14<sney>yeah, the % in front of sudo in /etc/sudoers is not a comment, it denotes 'this is a group
12:15<babilen>indeed
12:15<benjr>sney, if i take a step back to my original intention which was to dedicate the 2 hard drive both to data and not split the partition, cam you recommend relatively cheap solution for finding a place to install the OS to?
12:15<sney>if you remove the % then it is applying sudo rights to a user called 'sudo'
12:15<babilen>exactly
12:16<sney>benjr: some small SSDs are pretty cheap. you can get a debian server OS onto an 8 or 16GB model easily. On the kingston ones you will need to disable ncq but they're still lightning fast compared to conventional drives or flash
12:16<babilen>grummund: Does what sney just said clarify the situation or is it *really* commented?
12:16<grummund>i said "uncomment", not delete the %
12:16<grummund>babilen: well yes, but it seems a bit pointles tbh. (but i won't argue)
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12:20<grummund>especially as this is not enforced for /etc/sudoers.d
12:21<valerie_>babilen - let me reboot - I just found a firmware-atheros in nonofree - perhaps that was needed
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12:21<babilen>*sigh*
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12:23<heikkila>there there
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12:25<benjr>sney, how much rw'ing takes place to the OS drive when a file on on the the other drives is being access over the network?
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12:38<john_>what was the command to bring up the compiz window editor thing? like cccle?
12:39<retrospectacus>ccsm
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12:40<john_>DAMN IT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS
12:40<john_>THANK YOU!
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12:40<retrospectacus>..
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12:49<foolano>I'm having issues with innserv today when i tried to dist-upgrade on sid
12:49<foolano>is there a fix for that?
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12:50<jhutchins_lt>foolano: Don't run sid
12:50<foolano>interesting fix
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>foolano: sid is not intended to be a working release
12:51<foolano>i know
12:51<foolano>i was asking if there was any quick fix for that before i look into it by myself
12:51<jhutchins_lt>foolano: You will find more people more familiar with it's foibles on #debian-next - but that doesn't mean it won't still be broken.
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12:52<foolano>#debian-next there i go
12:52<foolano>thanks jhutchins_lt
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12:53<alessandra>hi
12:53<alessandra>there are italian here?
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12:54<valerie>babilen et al - I have two laptops with Atheros wifi cards (one with ath9k and one with 5k none works
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12:54<heikkila>alessandra, if they read/write English, possible, but there's an Italian channel too.
12:54<heikkila>!it
12:54<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:55<alessandra>ok grazie
12:55<heikkila>yw
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13:01<serge>hi
13:02<retrospectacus>hey
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13:36<WizardNumberNext>hello
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13:37<WizardNumberNext>do you get feeling that Debian (and most probably every GNU/Linux) is getting closer to MS Win and its in bad way?
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13:37<ompaul>WizardNumberNext: no, and even if I wanted to converse about that I couldn't cos it's offtopic
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13:38<WizardNumberNext>ompaul, actually it is about debian
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13:40<ompaul>WizardNumberNext: maybe I was not obvious, the implication is that as a discussion it is not ontopic for a support channel, if you want to there is #debian-offtopic
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14:18<spaulr>Hi is anyone haveing problems with add/remove? saying it cant connect??
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14:20<retrospectacus>!tell spaulr about ask
14:20<spaulr>what is ask? sorry im new!
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14:21<retrospectacus>a robot named dpkg just messaged you.
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14:21<retrospectacus>spaulr: you need to describe your problem better
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14:22<hengnu>can anyone suggest a good left-hand bar for openbox?
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14:22<spaulr>sorry, when i goto add remove programs and try to install programs it was that it cant find the packages
14:23<hengnu>and by left-hand, I mean vertical :p
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14:24<retrospectacus>spaulr: run ''apt-get update'' in a terminal as root. Does it work or fix the problem?
14:26<spaulr>thanks it just says that some index files failed to download! is that common??
14:26<retrospectacus>spaulr: nope it means your sources.list has some error, or perhaps a mirror is down or having some problem
14:27<retrospectacus>spaulr: have you changed your sources.list recently?
14:27<spaulr>no I have only installed backtrack 4 today!!
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14:28<ompaul>!bt
14:28<dpkg>from memory, bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>.
14:28<retrospectacus>spaulr: this is the DEBIAN channel - we don't know anything about that OS
14:28<ompaul>!backtrack
14:28<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
14:28<spaulr>oh!! sorry how do i change channel?
14:28<retrospectacus>it depends what program you're using
14:29<retrospectacus>probably by typing /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #backtrack-linux
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14:59<nodiscc>does anyone know if there is a debian-installer image with 3.x kernel?
14:59<nodiscc>the installer's kernel
14:59<babilen>nodiscc: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (consider yourself to be lectured on "candle with hair" and "may break and eat your dog")
15:00<babilen>nodiscc: Why do you need it?
15:02<nodiscc>babilen: i have built something interesting ith live-build, however when I try to install the live image to disk using "debian installer launcher" on the desktop, it complains that the running kernel and d-i's one do not match, so it aborts the installation.
15:02<philipp>babilen u gonna tell me how to install the driver now?
15:02<nodiscc>so i was willing to test a 3.x kernel installer
15:02<nodiscc>see if it's stable
15:03<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Well no, of course it isn't. Stable is 2.6.39
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15:04<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: yep, but my other solution is to downgrade my live system to kernel 2.6, which i'm unhappy with (misses serveral drivers i need)
15:04<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: I don't think kmuto is doing 3.x yet, and it's not backported to stable yet.
15:05<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: The testing installer is a pretty low priority prior to freeze, so it often doesn't work.
15:06<philipp>so anyone gonna help me to insall this ****** driver?
15:06<babilen>philipp: Clone the repo I mentioned earlier, use get-orig-source in debian/rules to acquire the orig.tar.gz, unpack it, copy debian/ dir in there, install build-dependencies, run dpkg-buildpackage, install build .debs -- Alternatively: Install from nvidia until it hits backports or just be patient. (and no I'll not walk you through this) See <package recompile> <debian/rules> <nmg>
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15:07<babilen>philipp: Note that the nvidia installer is supported in #nvidia on freenode and not here.
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15:08<philipp>babilen thats the nvidia installer?
15:08<babilen>What is?
15:09<philipp>what you wrote before.. i dont think i know how to clone taht repo... i dont even have a GUI
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15:10<babilen>Well, use nvidia's installer then and go to #nvidia for support. Shouldn't take long for the backported packages to hit http://backports.debian.org
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15:11<philipp>babilen i hope :S
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15:13<philipp>lets hope it comes out for chrismas :S
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15:15<elench>My wifi suddenly stopped working :/ and is stuck on device not ready. Does not matter if I reinstalled all the managers and firmware, it still states "device not ready" any ideas anyone?
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15:16<diederik>what command can I use to figure out my default gateway? ifconfig (-a) doesn't say
15:16<retrospectacus>route
15:17<retrospectacus>diederik: /sbin/route -n
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15:17<retrospectacus>diederik: or ''ip route''
15:18<diederik>retrospectacus: excellent, thanks. without the -n switch I only saw 'my.router', but with it I see it's ip address :)
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15:18<retrospectacus>sure, my.router would resolve fine though
15:19<diederik>ping my.router said unknown host though ...
15:19<retrospectacus>hmm
15:20<retrospectacus>*shrug* it also gets cut off... -n is good :)
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15:21<diederik>could be because my(.)router isn't specified as dns server, but it surprised me too
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15:22<retrospectacus>local DNS can be funny. Looking at mine and it doesn't really make sense either - it resolves but to a different IP
15:23<retrospectacus>default via 192.168.5.1
15:23<retrospectacus>1.5.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer coresw.pgi
15:23<retrospectacus>coresw.pgi has address 10.1.0.1
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15:23<diederik>interesting
15:24<babilen>elench: What happened before the "suddenly"? Which version of Debian is this? Could you reload the module in question and paste the last, say, 30 lines from dmesg?
15:24<diederik>I'm trying to figure out how to set up my network, since I got a new modem :/
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15:25<diederik>the command '/etc/init.d/networking restart' should enable my new /etc/network/interfaces, right?
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15:25<resmo>diederik: yep
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15:27<diederik>resmo: thanks. either it doesn't work or my network config is still wrong :/
15:29<retrospectacus>diederik: ... go on
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15:32<diederik>retrospectacus: I just rebooted the machine and now it does work
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15:33<retrospectacus>nice work :)
15:33<diederik>I do like to know how to do it without rebooting, it should be doable ;) Is it normal that my ssh session stays alive when restarting networking?
15:34<retrospectacus>it depends what changes you made
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15:35<diederik>I only changed the default gateway, the rest was (still) correct. Could it be some (route) caching?
15:36<retrospectacus>changing the gateway will break all TCP sessions if the gateway is doing NAT
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15:39<diederik>gateway is doing some NAT, but right now I don't know what machine/router/modem is doing what exactly
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15:40<ismak>hi !
15:40<ismak>good evening
15:40<ismak>i need some help please
15:40<retrospectacus>!ask
15:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:40<diederik>before the reboot 'dig debian.org' (or whatever address) would fail, but that's dns stuff on the internet (ie not locally)
15:40<ismak>thanks
15:41<retrospectacus>diederik: ok? what's your question?
15:41<ismak>i'm a young PHP developper
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15:41<retrospectacus>ismak: please type your full quesion before hitting enter
15:41<ismak>i am using WAMP but i installed debian on a pc
15:41<ismak>for using it like a web server
15:41<kop>ismak: That's sad. (I don't care for php.) But just ask your question. You can chat on #debian-offoptic.
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15:41<ismak>i don't success
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15:42<ismak>to configure all the components
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15:42<ismak>php
15:42<ismak>mysql
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15:42<kop>!tell ismak about enter
15:42<retrospectacus>ismak: if you cannot read what we say to you, we are not going to try to help you
15:43<diederik>retrospectacus: question comes down to this: what tools can I use to figure out how my network works
15:43<kop>diederik: do you understand networking?
15:43<retrospectacus>diederik: dnsutils, dig, host, wireshark, tcpdump
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15:43<ismak>ok, i'm sorry. thank you to help me
15:43<yron>Hello
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15:44<yron>How can I shutdown the X serveur ?
15:44<yron>please
15:44<kop>diederik: "getent hosts" is useful too. ethertool (IIRC)
15:44<yron>I need to shut it
15:44<diederik>kop: a bit, but don't know much about the lowlevel stuff
15:44<yron>/etc/init.d/gdm stop doesn't work
15:44<kop>ismak: We're happy to help but you need to ask a question.
15:44<retrospectacus>!tell ismak about ask
15:44<diederik>'traceroute debian.org' doesn't tell me much (only see my.router)
15:45<kop>diederik: You might find the networking guide at tldp.org helpful background. It's really old, but the concepts are what count and they've not changed.
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15:45<diederik>kop: ok, thanks. Will check them out.
15:45<kop>ethtool
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15:47<ismak>ok apache is running. now i want to know which php and mysql version is running, and how to see the serveur on my home network by my computer win7 pro. thank you to help me
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15:49<retrospectacus>ismak: browse to it: http://your.debian.boxs.ip/
15:49<retrospectacus>it should say "it works!" if apache works
15:49<retrospectacus>then create a php file like test.php in /var/www containing <?php phpinfo(); ?>
15:49<retrospectacus>then browse to http://your.debian.boxs.ip/test.php
15:50<retrospectacus>that will tell you the php version and lots of other stuff
15:50<kop>ismak: write a simple php page that calls php_info(). See the php docs. But really, why not just do a "aptitude show php5" or whatever package is of interest? (Learn to use the package manager.)
15:50<kop>ismak: You will reach the server using it's IP address, unless you've setup DNS somewhere.
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15:52<retrospectacus>ismak: I noticed you said WAMP - this is LAMP btw
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15:52<kop>retrospectacus: (You win! But I will add that short open tags are evil.)
15:53<ismak>thank you, now i want to enter to phpmyadmin to see my database.
15:53<retrospectacus>ismak: did you install phpmyadmin?
15:53<retrospectacus>if so browse to http://your.debian.boxs.ip/phpmyadmin/
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15:54<kop>ismak: Since you seem new to this, see the following factoid (which is unrelated to your problem):
15:54<kop>!tell ismak about overview
15:55<kop>ismak: The footnotes to the wiki page contain useful system administration notes.
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16:11<ismak>i am trying to write the test.php file in the good directory but i can't. I have no the permission. How i do, please
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16:13<retrospectacus>ismak: be root
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16:42<brandon_>Can anyone help me with adding a printer to my network
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16:44<retrospectacus>maybe, what's the problem, what have you tried and what happens?
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16:45<streuner_>brandon_: is the printer supported
16:45<streuner_>brandon_: by linux at all?
16:46<streuner_>brandon_: just take a look at linuxprinting.org
16:46<streuner_>brandon_: if so, just install cups
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16:47<streuner_>brandon_: ok, bad luck "This site is down for maintenance. We will be restoring service shortly. Thank you for your patience."
16:47<streuner_>brandon_: well, what model?
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16:52<streuner_>brandon_: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/network.html - isnt that helpful?
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17:03<kenneth>the sound in ubuntu 11.10 have stop working
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17:04<Nameeater>!ubuntu
17:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:05<batouzo>how to verify definatelly am I running KMS or not?
17:05<batouzo>I have no xorg.conf file (while I am using KMS I think). is that ok? if not then how to generate one
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17:06<diederik>batouzo: xorg.conf is not (always) needed for X to work properly, it figures out most things itself
17:07<batouzo>diederik: how to create the xorg.conf file anyway, e.g. if I would like to fine tune options?
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17:08<diederik>batouzo: for nvidia there's a utility for it, but imo it's way to verbose. Other then that, don't know.
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17:09<retrospectacus>just create it as an empty file and add sections as you need. Or, add snippets into xorg.conf.d
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17:09<retrospectacus>batouzo: /msg dpkg xorg.conf.d
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17:11<retrospectacus>batouzo: I think "lsmod" will tell you if you're using kms
17:12<retrospectacus>I am not using it so can't say for sure right now
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17:14<kop>!kms
17:14<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
17:15<kop>Dunno if that helps. I've been dissappointed with KMS and how it makes the console font teensey weensey.
17:15<batouzo>kop: pass video=1024x768 to kernel option, or alike
17:16<batouzo>kop: e.g. to default kernel options in /etc/default/grub and update-grub
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17:16<kop>batouzo: I'll have to give that a try. If it works I'll file a bts report saying it should be the default. That won't mess up X when it comes up?
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17:19<batouzo>kop: it wont
17:19<batouzo>ofc. any X is free to set own mode
17:19<batouzo>and switching between graph and X etc works immo better (faster) and more stable
17:22<jhutchins_lt>batouzo: The default is hardware dependent, please don't file a bug.
17:22<nevyn>kop: change to the nice sun font ;)
17:23<jhutchins_lt>batouzo: Having the option to change it to whatever you personally like is the good part about linux.
17:23<kop>jhutchins_lt: It's me, not batouzo
17:23<jhutchins_lt>kop: AH, well, anyway.
17:23<kop>jhutchins_lt: Yes.... But a default that's too small to read is silly.
17:24<kop>nevyn: I've not found a font that's large enough.
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17:24<jhutchins_lt>kop: You don't know if it's too small to read on my monitor. Leave mine alone please. I may want to see more text per screen.
17:24<retrospectacus>it's pretty bad if the default is not supported by the average monitor too
17:24<nevyn>22x16 sun was a personal favorite.
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17:24<kop>jhutchins_lt: Then you can change it. :-) Really, 80x24 is fine, and histoically everything works for it.
17:24<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Actually, works fine on my Acer One.
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17:25<retrospectacus>works great for me too :)
17:25<jhutchins_lt>The default is to NOT set it, that works best for the greatest number of possible combinations.
17:26<kop>jhutchins_lt: Further, it's a bit hard to change, and hard to figure out how to change, when you can't read the screen.
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17:30<jhutchins_lt>kop: A little reading will show you that it's a kernel parameter, which can be changed at boot, which will give you the screen you want. Unfortunately, 80x24 is obsolete in these days of 23" 16x9 screens.
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17:33<kop>jhutchins_lt: I did _lots_ of reading, and when finished still didn't know the right way to fix it. I tried lots of wrong ways.
17:34<kop>jhutchins_lt: And, say, my netbook does not ahve a 23" screen. :)
17:35<kop>jhutchins_lt: Anyway, just saying. Every single one of my boxes has come up with the "wrong" default. 19" crt, 14" crt, netbook, older laptop. All of them.
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>kop: Well, make sure to list the exact hardware and file it as a feature request. Mine's perfectly readable.
17:36<jhutchins_lt>I dunno, maybe it is a bug.
17:36<kop>jhutchins_lt: I sure don't know what I'm doing in this area, but do feel the need to engage somebody who knows more than I do. Ok. Another item for the todo list....
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17:51<lab>Hi, I have a webserver. I need an application which can catch and show me details about incoming HTTP-requests. I need to know whether incoming request is GET/POST which variables it contains and so on. Could you please help me, what program should I obtain? Thank you!!!
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17:51<sdfsdf>hi, are there any debian squeeze package for mysql workbench? or a tutorial on how to build it?
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17:55<abrotman>sdfsdf: i'm sure it has instructions on how to build it
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17:57<jhutchins_lt>lab: Have you looked at the apache log files?
17:58<lab>jhutchins_lt: I am gonna check them!!! thank you. I use nginx. but i am gonna check it.
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18:03<nodiscc>does anyone know what do orange and amber lights mean on an ethernet card's plug? I can't connect to my router with that particular computer, neither with network-manager nor with simple /etc/init.d/networking. no dhcp offers, and when i set a static ip it fails too
18:03<nodiscc>nothing in dmesg, and it *does work* with other computers, wireless or cable, on the same router
18:04<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: One of the lights allegedly shows physical connection, the other may show speed or traffic.
18:05<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: The connection light only checks one pair (out of six) so it's not 100% reliable. Also, the lights don't usually come on if there's no driver loaded.
18:05<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Does ifconfig show the interface?
18:05<nodiscc>I remember i had amber and green when it was working. So that dark orange led is worrying, hope it's not a hardware problem
18:05<jhutchins_lt>!network setup
18:05<dpkg>i heard network setup is "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254"
18:05<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: yes it does
18:05<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: So what's "not working"?
18:06<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: I don't think I've seen a network port with an "error" light, it's either indicating something positive or it's off.
18:06<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: first, it does not receive any DHCPOFFER whan i set it to use dhcp. When I use that same router ethernet port and cable on another computer, DHCP works properly
18:07<nodiscc>ok
18:07<jhutchins_lt>Is dhclient present and running?
18:07<retrospectacus>inspect the NIC visually, maybe a bent pin
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18:07<nodiscc>yes i can see it trying to grab an address at regular intervals
18:07<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Do the lights blink when it does that?
18:08<nodiscc>let me check
18:08<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: We had a realtek that would send just fine but couldn't receive.
18:08<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: note that it was working before.
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18:08<nodiscc>stopped working for no obvious reason
18:08<nodiscc>no upgrade, no nothing
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18:09<nodiscc>yes the yellow led blinks when i try to connect.
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18:13<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: That sounds like hardware failure. Maybe try a live CD though?
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18:14<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: What does dmesg say about the interface? Does tcpdump show any traffic? Does tcpdump on another machine show any traffic from it?
18:16<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: ok thanks, i'll try with debian live tomorrow. dmesg only says "no ipv6 routers present". I don't have tcpdump installed on that machine, will wireshark do the job?
18:17<nodiscc>i'll be watching for broadcast packets from another machine on the LAN
18:17<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Pretty much.
18:18<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Remember that a switch isolates traffic, so I'd try from the dhcp server.
18:18<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Pretty much wireshark will do the job I mean.
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18:19<nodiscc>sadly my DHCP server s a crappy proprietary ISP box, so i can't run anything on it.
18:19<nodiscc>ok i got it
18:20<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: dmesg should show the card being detected and initialized.
18:20<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: lspci?
18:20<nodiscc>i'll install dhcp3-server on the other machine, and try to use this instead
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18:21<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: Um... that could cause problems if you're on an isp net...
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18:51<laarmen>The address to contact the maintainers of a package is package_name@packages.debian.org, right ?
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18:52<sney>I just use the address shown in the package description or on packages.debian.org
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18:52<devil>laarmen: apt-cache show <package> | grep -i maint
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18:53<laarmen>Except that when the package is team maintained, this will only give you the team's ML.
18:54<laarmen>(which isn't any good when it is big teams like the Python Module Packaging Team)
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18:56<laarmen>Found it : paquet-source@packages.qa.debian.org
18:57<laarmen>(well, s/paquet-source/source-package)
18:57<laarmen>For reference : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/resources.html#pkg-tracking-system
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19:17<retrospectacus>having a problem with audio streaming. I have darkice listening to hw0,0 (mic jack) encoding into MP3 and streaming through icecast2 on the localhost.
19:18<retrospectacus>it works OK but the line plugged into the mic jack is very loud (overdriven) which causes bad distortion
19:18<retrospectacus>I can lower the capture level in alsamixer but then the web stream is extremely quiet
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19:19<retrospectacus>is there a way to boost the volume "later" in this system?
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19:20<retrospectacus>afaict the only way is to crank the volume on your speakers but this is not a good solution
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19:32<nevyn>hrm
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19:44<retrospectacus>I think I need something like this http://carlitoscontraptions.com/2007/12/volume-limiter/
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19:53<nevyn>retrospectacus: so is the signal actually clipping on the input
19:53<nevyn>what is the analog input chain?
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19:54<retrospectacus>no. it's quite loud though, like, headphones level, not standard line level
19:54<retrospectacus>just a cable with a 1/8" stereo jack. I have no control before that
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19:55<batouzo>how to use ksm - kernel samepage merging?
19:56<nevyn>retrospectacus: what's the source?
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19:56<retrospectacus>nevyn: I don't know, it's coming out of a big rack of equipment that's not mine
19:56<nevyn>right.
19:57<nevyn>retrospectacus: so I'd guess it's line level not mic level
19:57<nevyn>mic level == no power blah blah balh
19:57<nevyn>line level there are 2 standards -10db (used by ordinary household stuff)
19:58<nevyn>and +4db (used by pro gear)
19:58<retrospectacus>it's not mic level. I tested my server using a mic and it worked well. This input is too loud (yes powered). When I installed it and the streaming started, the sound level was good but extremely distorted
19:58<nevyn>right.
19:58<nevyn>so you need to do one of a couple of things
19:58<retrospectacus>lowering the capture level in alsamixer got rid of the distortion but now it's waaaay to quiet
19:58<nevyn>1 switch the micport to line mode rather than mic mode
19:59<nevyn>it'll use the same jack but should be stereo instead of mono and should be better..
19:59<retrospectacus>this card only has the one input jack. Let me see if there is a switch for that
20:00<nevyn>it'll be a software switch in alsamixer
20:00<nevyn>so if you open alsamixer and hit F4 you should be able to select "line" as a source rather than mic
20:00<nevyn>which will re-route the chip and remove the mic preamp
20:00<nevyn>which you don't want
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20:02<nevyn>ie you don't want the preamp if you're getting a line level signal.
20:03<hengnu>Does anyone here use wpa_cli to interactively connect to networks? Or do you just edit your wpa_supplicant.conf?
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20:05<abrotman>do people still use wpa_supplicant.conf ?
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20:06<dondelelcaro>abrotman: I do
20:06<batouzo>fuck
20:06<dondelelcaro>hengnu: I've used it, but only to monitor what wpa is doing
20:07<batouzo>on system where / is on raid->crypto->LVM, how to have initrd mount just that and then spawn me a shell to fix/edit /etc/fstab, the problem is that / is noexec (so /sbin/bash etc will not execute)
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20:08<abrotman>I thought squeeze+ didn't use it anymore
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20:09<nevyn>retrospectacus: does that make sense?
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20:09<batouzo>for mounting the / and /usr I guess the copy of mount binary, that is in initrd, is used?
20:09<retrospectacus>nevyn: yes it makes sense, thank you. However I cannot seem to make it happen in the mixer. I've fought with it a fair bit
20:10<nevyn>load alsamixer (do not use a gui mixer it will not have the controls you need.
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20:10<nevyn>make sure it's referencing your soundcard.
20:10<nevyn>then press F4
20:10<retrospectacus>yea no GUI on that bad boy. Yes I'm there, I can hear what I'm doing
20:10<nevyn>press F6 to switch between soundcards.
20:11<scraze>retrospectacus: 't was you card that had some nifty controls/switches in amixer but not in alsamixer right ;] ?
20:11<hengnu>what command would you use in wpa_cli to change the ssid? Can't figure it out
20:11<retrospectacus>scraze: yes :) although I did find that control later
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20:13<scraze>ah :] well the line/mic thing is a good option, and also soundcards often have a switch 'Mic Boost' which you probably would want off, kinda lost your alsa-info url though
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20:13<retrospectacus>yes the mic boost is off. It is much worse (clipping) with it on
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20:16<scraze>ouch! well if you're running out of controls then you could go the software compression way, but I'd suspect you'd gain some latency
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20:17<scraze>or indeed hardware as described in that link but I'm sure that's more complicated ;]
20:18<retrospectacus>latency is not a huge issue, and this server is grossly overpowered for this job
20:21<retrospectacus>I'd like to be able to just add something to my darkice config to make it double the output volume... can't seem to find any such option
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20:25<scraze>retrospectacus: do you still have that alsa-info output url ? Probably silly to look at it after you've went through everything but I am silly.
20:26<retrospectacus>I think it expired, but I can pastebinit again
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20:26<retrospectacus>if you remind me of the command :)
20:26<scraze>should be just alsa-info :]
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20:26<scraze>otherwise: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -O /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; chmod 700 /usr/local/sbin/alsa-info; alsa-info
20:29<retrospectacus>thanks http://paste.debian.net/148246/
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20:31<retrospectacus>(the tool was here /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/utils/alsa-info.sh )
20:32<scraze>ah, good one, I was wondering why alsa-info wasn't in debian but of course it is, just hidden in the sources ;p
20:33<scraze>well, there are both a Mic Capture and Line Capture control, and the Mic Capture one is currently on
20:33<qxt>Need to install virtualbox 64. Yes I have vt-d for the clients. Using a SB 2600. Looking in Synaptic I am not sure what I am looking for is there. I see VB-ose. Since I am on really new hw I am using the wheezy (testing) repos. I need of corse the guest additions and the contrib stuff for USB 2. Am I missing something or is what I am looking for not in the repos?
20:33<nevyn>hrm
20:33<nevyn>right which is what I said
20:33<nevyn>http://paste.debian.net/148246/
20:34<scraze>*nodziac*
20:35<qxt>and yes I have contrib and non-free in my repos for "testing aka wheezy"
20:35<scraze>qxt: I believe you need to get the ext pack outside of the repo, not sure about VT-d; but at least running 64 bit with hardware capabilities works with vb-ose
20:35<nevyn>retrospectacus: so turning on the line capture should turn of mic capture
20:35<scraze>(by which I mean VT-x)
20:36<retrospectacus>when I do that I get no sound at all. The "line" thing in alsamixer doesn't have a slider
20:37<scraze>even when you turn the capture way up?
20:38<nevyn>it shouldn't have a slider.
20:38<nevyn>it's best thougth of as a rotary selector switch between mic, mix, digital and line
20:38<scraze>hmm.. would the Aux level be used when on line instead of mic?
20:38<qxt>scraze with the MSI Z68A GD 55-G3 and the SB 2600 I had vt-d running perfectly on my computer at work.
20:39<nevyn>scraze: there's also aux capture
20:40<scraze>indeed, aux capture volume & aux capture switch.. hmm
20:40<retrospectacus>http://adamaki.gnudist.com/amixer.png -> press space -> http://adamaki.gnudist.com/amixer2.png
20:40<retrospectacus>but then I don't hear anything
20:40<qxt>using VB. Made the guests almost transparent in speed! With the OCZ vertex 3 max iops I could boot windows 7 in 11 sec even in a VM
20:40<scraze>qxt: sweet :]
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20:41<qxt>scraze thing is that I really love the idea of using the Debian repos and not lame things like ppa etc
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20:42<retrospectacus>nevyn: I've tried the Aux too, it can be turned on/off independent of the Line/Mic ones which only allow one to be "enabled" or w/e
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20:43<retrospectacus>playing with the on/off and levels on Aux does not seem to do anything
20:44<nevyn>retrospectacus: how many physical 3.5mm jacks are there on the computer?
20:44<qxt>scraze thx for the tip on the VB-OSE. Ill give it a spin.
20:44<scraze>qxt: I'm not sure what the latest news is on the USB support .. best to just try indeed :] good luck / have fun!
20:45<retrospectacus>nevyn: there is just the one sound card, no onboard. The card has five jacks and four are outputs.
20:45<qxt>scraze Ill let you in in about 5 min =)
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20:45<nevyn>no onboard?
20:45<nevyn>how sure are you about those outputs?
20:45<nevyn>what card?
20:46<retrospectacus>no onboard. The card is: Multimedia audio controller [0401]: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] [13f6:8788]
20:46<dvs>retrospectacus: Does your video card have HDMI?
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20:46<retrospectacus>dvs: no
20:47<retrospectacus>nevyn: absolutely sure. I have the box right here
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20:48<nevyn>hrm
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20:48<scraze>since you're already on the newest backported kernel those controls are as accurate as you can comfortably get them..
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20:49<nevyn>man I hate soundcards
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20:49<nevyn>all soundcards should come with a block diagram detailing what the controls do and where they are.
20:49<scraze>retrospectacus: I think alsa plugins are a good option, darkice wouldn't even have to be touched - see for instance http://alsa.opensrc.org/Ladspa_(plugin)]
20:49<scraze>whoops, trailing character: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Ladspa_(plugin)
20:50<nevyn>that seems wrong.
20:50<nevyn>the right thing is to get it working in line mode (particularly if the rack of gear is outputing a stereo ubal signal
20:51<scraze>yeah, it should be line mode for sure; get the input signal as clear as possible (no clipping while maximizing dynamics)
20:52<batouzo>in initramfs how to mount an device, it says file or directory not found, while the device and mouintpoint do exist
20:52<retrospectacus>mhmm. Thanks a lot guys. They are not talking any more so I can't really test until tomorrow. I'm going to look into a hardware limiter, maybe I'll cut up these headphones which have a volume knob
20:53<retrospectacus>I'll check out this plugin scraze, thank you
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20:53<wshn13>hi
20:53<retrospectacus>and thanks nevyn, you've clarified the problem in my mind at least :)
20:54<nevyn>:)
20:54<wshn13>Is there anyone familair eith bluez dbus ?
20:54<wshn13>I need help
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20:55<nevyn>retrospectacus: get a ipod or something and a 3.5 -> 3.5 plug and see if you can make that work?
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20:55<scraze>nevyn: I've noticed amixer can show a lot of information about 'pins' on a soundcard, but as of yet no idea how those relate to alsa driver models (as in modprobe snd-hda-intel model=something) and then translate to simple & 'normal' controls
20:56<nevyn>scraze: the model stuff is supposed to be dead.
20:56<nevyn>scraze: ie it's all moving to an autoparser with a database in the driver stuff
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20:56<scraze>ooh, awesome :)
20:56<nevyn>the problem is..
20:57<nevyn>there's two bits to a HDA device the "card" and the codec
20:57<nevyn>the card is part of the southbridge.
20:57<nevyn>the codec is the chip that turns digital stuff into analog signals
20:58<nevyn>however the configuration of codec's is not fixed and software redefinable (they work like a software reconfigurable matrix switch aiui
20:58<nevyn>so the whole architecture is reasonably complicated
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20:59<nevyn>so the bios/acpi tables are supposed to tell the driver.. "this pin of the codec is connected to the blue/green/pink/black jack tip/ring/sleave)
20:59<nevyn>but because windows doesn't use this data (see mjg's blog for the efficacsy of standards that windows doesn't use) and vendors ship drivers the data is junk
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21:00<nevyn>scraze: snafu
21:00<scraze>ah, hardware politics again :s?
21:00<nevyn>:)
21:00<nevyn>scraze: so two vendors.
21:00<nevyn>can use the exact same southbridge with the same codec
21:01<nevyn>and wire it completely differnetly just because :)
21:01<scraze>:] that's truely horrible.
21:01<scraze>do pciids overlap as well?
21:02<nevyn>yep.
21:02<scraze>eep!
21:02<nevyn>so the pciid is only half the story with HDA
21:02<nevyn>because lots of the nasty detail particularly of controls is in the codec not the "device"
21:03<nevyn>oh whats more. the spec allows multiple codecs
21:04<scraze>wow.,
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21:04*scraze suddenly appreciates his working soundcard a lot more :p
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21:05<nevyn>hda is really flexible and totally insane
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21:08<nevyn>retrospectacus: you may want to read the capture problems section of this document http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt
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21:09<nevyn>scraze: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA
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21:13<scraze>thanks nevyn :]
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21:16<nevyn>is thanks the right thing to give someone for pointing you down a rabbit hole? :)
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21:16<scraze>oh, to me it's like you handed me a looking glass ... ;]
21:17<nevyn>just step through.
21:17<nevyn>and things will never be the same.
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21:36<benjr>i just encrypted a usb stick, via the following instructions. it all went ok and when i plug it in i get prompted for the passphrase before it mount, but ti seems to mount as ro, how do i make it auto-mount as rw? http://www.emcken.dk/weblog/archives/164-encrypted-usb-drive-in-ubuntu.html
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21:37<cwood>Question for you multitudes: If you were buying a computer today, how would you double-check hardware compatibility?
21:37<nevyn>compatibility with what?
21:37<cwood>Hardware compatibility with Debian.
21:39<nevyn>so it depends.
21:39<robbiethe1st>I'd A, build it myself, and B, not worry too much except for wifi cards, and video cards.
21:39<cwood>Oh look: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn
21:39<nevyn>robbiethe1st: doesn't work well for laptops
21:39<robbiethe1st>Go for Lenovo Thinkpads.
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21:40*nevyn likes his HP c6000 machine
21:40<benjr>nevyn, i cant tell you how to check, but i built a box about 2 months ago, i5 2400, h67 mobo, and intel ssd, nvidia gt440 ... it was all seemless except the videocard, had to compile it from sid with the help of some chaps in here, if i cna do ti anyone can
21:41<cwood>(Keep talking, I am taking notes.)
21:41<cwood>I'm good with running Sid if that's what'll conveniently run things.
21:42<nevyn>cwood: what do you want to do with said system
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21:42<benjr>only had to goto sid for the video, the rest is just fine on stable, its my first debian install so i wasnt too adventurous
21:42<cwood>Basic desktop things.
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21:42<cwood>I previously ran desktop sid for the educational value, but a P4 increasingly doesn't run so much.
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21:43<nevyn>cwood: go buy a current intel or amd anything from your local pc store. get plenty of ram (4-8gig) and you'll be good for a good while.
21:43<cwood>Sounds like a plan.
21:44<nevyn>if you don't care about games (and honestly what's the point on linux) get embedded intel graphics
21:44<babilen>+1
21:44<nevyn>best supported with free drivers supports multiple screens
21:44<cwood>Hm, basic desktop here includes watching movies.
21:44<babilen>(and you can still play a plethora of games with moden integrated gfx)
21:44<benjr>current nvidia on stable and backports is quite dated i believe, by atleast a year, but the video card was a luxery, not a necessity, i probably use my pc for the same things as you
21:45<nevyn>cwood: modern embedded graphics is just fine for movies
21:45<babilen>benjr: nvidia drivers are not yet on backports
21:45<cwood>Including blu-ray resolutions?
21:45<babilen>cwood: Sure
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21:46<cwood>Snazzy.
21:46<robbiethe1st>Personally, I'd get a GTX 260. Last gen, great nvidia driver support.
21:46<benjr>babilen, really? i thought when i looked the version on backports was the same as stable
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21:47<robbiethe1st>Aand it's good enough to play decent 3d games via wine - I'm getting 40-90 fps at 1920x1080, max settings, 4X aa in TF2, so...
21:47<zZGz>Hey guys.
21:47<benjr>the card i picked was <$100, htpc card, onyl got ti because in ym old box my c2d did all the video decoding and the cpu load used to jump up by about 20-30% when i played HD movies
21:48<benjr>oh and i do have play the occasional game of minecraft, but thats more cpu intensive then gpu i believe
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21:49<zZGz>Speaking of which,
21:49<zZGz>I'm buying a new CPU and I have a question.
21:49<nevyn>mmm..
21:49<zZGz>I think it's ~3.something GHz 4x AMD
21:49<zZGz>(I'll have to look back in my links)
21:50<zZGz>Would it be a significant boost to FPS even thought it's not a graphics card?
21:50<zZGz>My current CPU is 2.8 GHz x2
21:50<zZGz>I feel awkward taking up 4 lines of uninterrupted chat.
21:51<cwood>FPS is both game processing and graphics. Depends how much thinking versus pictures your game has to do.
21:51<cwood>(I'm still playing Diablo 2 via Wine here.)
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21:51<robbiethe1st>I'd go for a Phenom II x4 955 if you can have it fit
21:51<benjr>my old box was a c2d 3.16ghz, 6600gs ... minecraft used to lag on max draw distance on that box
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21:52<robbiethe1st>You'll /need/ a $25 aftermarket cooler, though - the stock fans are horribly loud.
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21:52<zZGz>I'm going to do a rough estimate on my specs.
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21:52*nevyn wants a new phone
21:52<scraze>for CPU-heavy post-processing like some games have it could be noticeable, especially on the highest settings .. but on the other hand videocards are doing more and more things (physics calculation by the GPU isn't new anymore)
21:52<nevyn>RUA doesn't run smoothly
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21:53<zZGz>4 GB DDR3, 2.8 GHz X4 AMD Phenom AM3 Socket, Radeon HD 4550 graphics. @nevyn Not many new games do. :/
21:53<robbiethe1st>It also depends on what OS you're running: Anything via Wine needs a lot more CPU.
21:53<zZGz>Windows 7
21:53<zZGz>I use Pinguy on my laptop
21:54<benjr>nevyn, rua?
21:54<cwood>My P4 running Squeeze and Wine runs Diablo 2 just fine.
21:54<zZGz>Diablo 2 <3
21:54<zZGz>Runs on anything.
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21:54<nevyn>benjr: Rainbow Unicorn Attack (platformer)
21:54<zZGz>My dad loves that game, I have it on his machine.
21:54<benjr>haha
21:54<cwood>Well, did before it crapped out and now I'm seeing what newer hardware will run Debian. Heh.
21:54<zZGz>He played it all day and he got stuck at the second boss
21:55<zZGz>(I think it was second) and he just stopped.
21:55<nevyn>benjr: laugh when you can get a score bigger than 50k
21:55*babilen recommends #debian-offtopic
21:55<zZGz>Technically we are on topic
21:55<zZGz>at first
21:56<benjr>nevyn, oh not laughing at you, laughing is supprise and delight, i assume it stood for some new military FPS, i love RUa :)
21:56<zZGz>RUa?
21:56<benjr>RUA*
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21:57<sney>cwood: the only things you _really_ need to watch out for are NIC and GPU hardware. nearly everything else is supported out of the box.
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21:57<cwood>Thanks, seems to be where I'm heading.
21:58<sney>pretty much any GPU can be made to work but with varying degrees of non-free; some NICs barely work at all
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22:00<zZGz>I changed the font to moon spaces.
22:00<zZGz>Never again.
22:07<benjr>sney, speaking of which, i just installed something earlier and noticed tree warning's like this at the end "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169"
22:07<benjr>three*
22:08<benjr>my nic seems to working, im using it right now, i wasnt too concerned
22:08<cwood>With or without the firmware-linux packages installed?
22:08<sney>benjr: there are some variants of the r8169 that actually need the firmware files. if yours is working fine, you don't need it
22:08<sney>I think it's limited to some higher end server NICs or something
22:08<cwood>That file is apparently in the firmware-realtek package.
22:09<sney>it's only required if the NIC won't work without it .
22:09<benjr>mines just an integrated thing on a mid-range asus board
22:09<sney>it's not like the radeon firmware thing where you get half functionality. it works or it doesn't
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22:25<batouzo>can I just install 3.1.4 kernel on debian squeeze?
22:25<batouzo>and it should work overall? or do I need to upgrade libc and all programs or something
22:26<cwood>Not that I've been there, but allegedly many things rely on a kernel version starting with 2.6.
22:26<batouzo>oh right, skipping that silly problem (I use very few apps and I just count on avoiding that)
22:26<batouzo>other then that, it should?
22:27<cwood>Um, try it and see?
22:27<batouzo>;}
22:27<batouzo>btw, how to include nano text edutor into my initramfs (e.g. btw of grup-update?)
22:27<batouzo>it would make unfucking things much easier, if need arises
22:28<cwood>Can't you already edit grub lines in grub?
22:28<cwood>On the other hand, if you're dead set on the idea, look at how you build initrd and put your nano+libs in there.
22:28<batouzo>I can, by the problem is to include more programs in the initramfs image
22:29<batouzo>so I can use editor in rescue shell even if / partition is not accessible
22:29<jordanm>Bucciarati: busybox has vi builtin
22:29<jordanm>ETAB
22:29<batouzo>it has now? oh
22:29<batouzo>but overall is there easy, debian way of suplementing initramfs with small programs? other then manual unpack/repack which is not debian way probaly
22:30<cwood>It's your initramfs -- it's there to provide just enough to get your boot process started.
22:30<cwood>You're better off getting a grub disk and some live dvd's to unplug issue.s
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22:44<batouzo>can I have / readonly?
22:44<batouzo> /var /tmp /srv /home are separated out (and writable). for a normal system. assuming I will not change configuration or install any software
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22:52<cwood>Above you asked about respinning your initrd, now you're asking about / readonly. Are you sure you don't want Linux From Scratch or similar?
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23:18<Stewie_>hello
23:18<JoeKickass>hi Stewie_
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23:20<Stewie_>network list
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23:33<Stewie_>hello newly
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23:35<Stewie_>who is female here?
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23:37<JoeKickass>Stewie_: you want #tardigans - this is Debian support
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23:37<Stewie_>how can a get the channel list please?
23:38<JoeKickass>type /list
23:38<Stewie_>here?
23:38<JoeKickass>yes
23:38<Stewie_>ok
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23:38<Stewie_>nothig happen
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23:39<JoeKickass>consuly your IRC client's docs
23:39<JoeKickass>consult*
23:39<Stewie_>ok
23:41<Stewie_>nobody contact me...
23:41<Stewie_>?
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23:43<sney>Stewie_: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=it&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irchelp.org%2Firchelp%2Fircprimer.html&act=url
23:43<Stewie_>why anyone interested to speak here^
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23:45<Stewie_>sney thanks for you interest
23:45<sney>Stewie_: this is a channel for computer help, with people who use Debian (www.debian.org). it is not for chat with friends or girls
23:46<Stewie_>ok.. do you know any room name?
23:46<sney>no
23:46<sney>www.searchirc.com
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23:47<Stewie_>thanks sney
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