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00:59<troll>wtf u banned me?
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01:01<troll>thats strange... i cant connect from irssi with (you are banned)
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01:01<EmleyMoor>troll: Is it connecting to the server or joining the channel you can't do?
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01:02<troll>EmleyMoor it was connecting to the server but when i did /j #debian => u are banned
01:03<troll>well i will try again
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01:03<sney>he's probably logged in as root
01:03<sney>he's really stupid
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01:05<philipp>okey... odd bug... im not banned
01:05<philipp>odd verry odd
01:06<EmleyMoor>Is it possible you were trying as "root" before?
01:06<philipp>yes now that you say it is xD
01:06<EmleyMoor>That would be why
01:06<philipp>thx man
01:07<philipp>dont like beeing banned =/
01:07<sney>!irc as root
01:07<dpkg>(from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!"
01:09<metaspike>f/join #debian-offtopic
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01:20<metaspike>philipp, sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx - to install the nvidia driver and to patch the kernel. its not in backports.
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01:22<philipp>metaspike you know about my problem
01:22<philipp>kk ill try
01:24<philipp>metaspike do i have to put something to my sources.list? sry reinstalled ebian this morning
01:24<metaspike>are you running squeeze?
01:25<philipp>yes... but i cant find nvidia-kernel-dkms
01:26<philipp>arf... need to enable non free i guess
01:26<metaspike>yeah non-free is required
01:26<metaspike>contrib has some goodies too.
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01:28<philipp>okey working now... stupid me :)
01:28<philipp>but im not sure it works... i have a gtx 560 ti and it usually is not in the sources i think
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01:29<metaspike>when its done
01:29<jm_>the version in squeeze is too old for that
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01:30<philipp>well i restart... dont hurt giveing it a shot
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01:31<philipp>metaspike same old problem... no good...
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01:33<philipp>someone has any idea?
01:33<philipp>well i have an other question too... is it possible to use my headset just with alsa and without pulseaudio?
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01:33<metaspike>yeah, because jm_ is right (he usually is!)
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01:36<philipp>i dont like pulseaudio.... is there a way to use my headset just with alsa?
01:37<jm_>why wouldn't it be?
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01:38<philipp>jm_ because im stupid
01:38<philipp>can u help me arrangeing it?
01:39<jm_>philipp: well not without knowing why it doesn't work - perhaps because it's not a default (or first) card found?
01:39<philipp>jm_ where can i change my first card?
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01:43<philipp>ahhhh! it works! alsa works!!!!! ahhh! ahHHHHHH!!
01:44<philipp>i just need to get my headset (usb audio) as default audio! where can i do that?
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01:44<jm_>philipp: the easiest is to make snd-usb-audio have index 0
01:45<jm_>that's how I do it
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01:48<philipp>jm_ i had to create the file... does it matter?
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01:49<jm_>philipp: no
01:49<philipp>jm_ you seem to have a REAL good spree! wanna try to help me with my driver? :P
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01:51<jm_>philipp: you'll need to backport it
01:52<philipp>jm_ i dont think it is available on backport yet is it?
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01:55<philipp>jm_ i turned on the backports but im not sure if the driver is available there...
01:56<jm_>philipp: it's not (yet), that's why you'll need to do it yourself if you need it now
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01:58<philipp>jm_ wanna try with me?
01:59<philipp>if not i just install the nvidia one again
01:59<philipp>ur choice
01:59<jm_>philipp: I won't have enough time to guide you through it, so rather not
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02:00<chealer>philipp: either you backport testing's driver, or you upgrade to testing, or you try the upstream installer, or you use a different driver, or you wait for a backport
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02:04<philipp>chealer can i just backport the testing driver without upgradeing to testing? that would be the best i think
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02:04<chealer>philipp: probably
02:05<jm_>it worked fien a while ago, haven't tried with latest version
02:06<philipp>how? giveing wheeze in my sources.list installing and rewrite squeeze in my sources.list?
02:07<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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02:09<philipp>!ask deb_src sid
02:09<philipp>dont work =/
02:10<philipp>!deb-src sid
02:10<dpkg>You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list.
02:11<jm_>use /msg dpkg foo insetad of !foo
02:12<chealer>philipp: I guess installing testing's binary packages on stable would be quite an upgrade. I was talking about backporting, which does involve modifying the sources, but to add *source* APT sources.
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02:13<chealer>philipp: in any case, expect some fun if you're not familiar with Debian's package management
02:14<philipp>chaler is have SOME experiance but not enough... so you suggest add deb-src sid main contrib to my sources?
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02:17<chealer>philipp: I would add wheezy rather than sid. you need the non-free component too. and really, I don't know if I "suggest" that. if you never mixed packages or backported anything, that could be a big step.
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02:21<philipp>chealer when i install the nvidia style driver is it possible to uninstall it when the backports come out?
02:22<chealer>philipp: the upstream installer has an uninstallation option. I didn't use it in years, but it probably doesn't return the system to its original state.
02:22<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia>.
02:23<philipp>okey i am tired of this... u guys r giveing this messages since 3 days straight! TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD DO!!!!
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02:25<philipp>offer me an other solution and i dont use the nvidia stuff... but i am clueless what to do!
02:27<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
02:27<philipp>great the same wiki that could not help me before! i go and install the "sucking" driver... sry but i dont have a choice
02:28<chealer>philipp: as I told you, either you backport testing's driver, or you upgrade to testing, or you try the upstream installer, or you use a different driver, at least until a backport is available.
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02:28<chealer>philipp: regarding the more general problem, you could also change the video card.
02:28*EmleyMoor is still waiting for an nvidia backport... stuck with nouveau at the moment
02:29<philipp>what even is the upstream installer?
02:29<philipp>how do i do backport the testing driver
02:30<EmleyMoor>Don't get me wrong, in some ways nouveau is nice...
02:30<EmleyMoor>philipp: I believe it's not acteually easy - a backport is in preparation
02:30<chealer>philipp: the upstream for nvidia-graphics-drivers is NVIDIA. The upstream installer is NVIDIA's installer, nvidia-installer.
02:31<philipp>so can i remove the nvidia upstream after the normal driver is out?
02:32<chealer>philipp: there is no failsafe recipe for backporting software. the ssb factoid gives general advice which is sufficient in the easiest cases.
02:33<philipp>you guys make me crying :'(
02:33<EmleyMoor>Don't blame us, blame nvidia if anyone
02:33<chealer>philipp: please watch your language
02:33<chealer>philipp: As I told you, the upstream installer has an uninstallation option. Although I didn't use it in years, it didn't return Debian systems to their original state several years ago, and probably still doesn't.
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02:34<metaspike>philipp, the dichotomy of choice, isn't it great? personally I would wait, backporting is a pain, the upstream (nvidia distributed) package isn't %100 percent reloiable. and the free vision is good enough to handle most things untill nvidia-dkms-glx is backported.
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02:35<philipp>metaspike when will it be backported?
02:36<EmleyMoor>philipp: It's in progress... when it's proven to have been done correctly, it will be made available as part of squeeze-backports.
02:36<metaspike>dont know, give it a couple weeks. if it's not then, maybe reconsider a testing upgrade? eitherway, dont stress over it too much, it doesn't help :)
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02:37<metaspike>*nvidia-kernel-dkms rather.
02:38<philipp>so i am stuck with 800x600 screen until then?
02:38<philipp>is there a way to get a good resolution meantimes?
02:38<metaspike>did you uninstall the nvidia-kernel-dkms you installed earlier?
02:38<philipp>metaspike no
02:38*EmleyMoor finds that, with nouveau, he is stuck with 1920x1200 - no lower available
02:39<metaspike>sudo aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx and reboot, your resolution should be fixed
02:39<metaspike>then you can use xrandr to choose your resolution,
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02:43<troll>NO IT IS NOT
02:43<metaspike>open a terminal and run xrandr
02:43<troll>i still can choose of 800x600 max
02:44*EmleyMoor has just posted an enquiry about the progresss of the backport
02:45<EmleyMoor>troll: Have you tried nouveau?
02:45<troll>no i dont even know what it is
02:46<metaspike>yeah ok don't panic. sudo aptitude xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
02:46<chealer>troll: I don't know the status of your specific card's support from squeeze, but I doubt the nvidia driver would be needed to achieve a resolution better than 800x600.
02:47<EmleyMoor>chealer: One of my problems with nouveau comes from the fact it always forces the maximum. So, I concur
02:47<troll>metaspike it is installed
02:48<jm_>it's possible to have a resolution > 800x600 even with vesa driver, but you need to specify so in xorg.conf
02:49<metaspike>jm_ what if he where to: sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-all && sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf - to ensure that all video drivers are installed and to purge any bogus xorg.conf settings to redefine a new one?
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02:49<jm_>metaspike: I think that's pointless
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02:50<metaspike>so define a resolution manually? ok.
02:50<troll>in the wiki there is something about reconfigure x before it works
02:50<troll>i dont even have a xorg.conf no idea how i shall do that? ><
02:51<troll>i try to run Xorg -configure ill brb
02:51<EmleyMoor>No xorg.conf is quite normal - you rarely actualy need one
02:52<troll>so what else am i supposed to do?
02:53<EmleyMoor>I don't know how you'd go about jm_'s suggestion, although it sounds like a good one. If getting nouveau active doesn't help I'd be very surprised.
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02:54<chealer>jm_: vesa supports above 800x600, but doesn't offer more unless it's configured? is this documented?
02:54<chealer>!tell troll about caps
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02:55<EmleyMoor>Stop doing that!
02:56<troll>then tell my how to enable this nuv thing
02:56<EmleyMoor>troll: Restart X - if that doesn't help, try a reboot, perhaps
02:57<troll>EmleyMoor whats the point of that? i did not change a single thing since my last reboot o_O
02:57<EmleyMoor>troll: You isntalled nouveau didn't you?
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02:57<troll>it was installed
02:57<EmleyMoor>(how can we check if it's active?)
02:58<troll>well i try rebooting brb
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02:59<metaspike>hmm from:
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02:59<jm_>chealer: the reason is usually that higher mode lines are discarded because it doesn't know what monitor can do
02:59<philipp>okey rebooted => no good
03:00<metaspike>"Not all of these cards already work well using Nouveau, development is in progress. It is recommended to use the Linux 3.1 kernel or newer (or a backported driver from this kernel)." ouch.
03:00<philipp>it can do 1920x1600 by 60 hz
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03:01<jm_>it probably tries to load nouveau already but the version in his release doesn't support his card so tries the next driver - you can see this in xorg log
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03:02<EmleyMoor>It's a card less well supported than mine, so I wouldn't be surprised...
03:02<chealer>jm_: is there a way to configure vesa for higher resolutions which is as easy as drxx used to be?
03:03<metaspike>otherwise you can specify a resolution by defining this in xorg.conf - it's modern card and the basis for squeeze isn't bleeding edge, it's stability and security.
03:03<metaspike>so i guess, give that a shot. or wait. :(
03:03<EmleyMoor>This is the main reason I check the graphics card support for a box I want to run X on.
03:04<raubat>hi to all
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03:05<troll>okey im on x now can u send me the link again?
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03:07<troll>i dont have a xorg.conf
03:07<troll>still dont have
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03:07<jm_>chealer: one just needs to write details about monitor in xorg.conf (HorizSync and VertRefresh) and to ensure this section is used
03:08<EmleyMoor>That's because in normal circumstances you don't need one. Just make one with the relevant bits in.
03:08<EmleyMoor>(is that sufficient?)#
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03:09<troll>so i shall write in what monitor do i have? shall i write it in english or can i use german? do i have to use a spelling checker? o_O
03:09<troll>i dont think this is gonna work
03:10<troll>cant follow that tutorial I DONT HAVE A XORG.CONF
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03:10<EmleyMoor>Create one containing just what's there, I think
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03:11<pmallappa>Hello All,
03:12<jm_>i wish we had the good old <doesn't exist> factoit (look buddy ...)
03:12<troll>okey done restart x?
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03:14<pmallappa>kde-standard : Depends: kde-plasma-desktop (>= 5:70) but it is not going to be installed o
03:14<pmallappa>anyone experiencing same?, updated today morning, running debian-testing
03:15<jm_>pmallappa: try #debian-next
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03:18<philipp>awsome now i have a 800x600 resolution but can scroll on a 1920x1200 screen
03:19<philipp>isnt there ANNNNY way to get the resolution working?
03:19<EmleyMoor>Well, that sounds like some progress - unfortunately I'm a bit lost as to how to proceed further - however, be patient and someone else may help you...
03:20<philipp>progress??? the screen is going mad
03:20<EmleyMoor>Was it going mad before?
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03:20<philipp>no it was not
03:20<EmleyMoor>Then it's progress, of a sort...
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03:21<EmleyMoor>Perhaaps someone can help you formulate a workable xorg.conf...
03:21<EmleyMoor>For now, if you want to go back to as it was, remove the one you have.
03:21<philipp>already did
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03:22<chealer>!tell pmallappa about bat
03:23<philipp>so there is no way to get the screen above 800x600 without useing this nvidia thing????
03:24<EmleyMoor>philipp: There probably is a way
03:25<EmleyMoor>Unfortunately I don't know how to formulate the xorg.conf it would need...
03:27<philipp>ye and the rest of the people or are not willing to help
03:27<metaspike> this is probably why
03:27<simonlnu>try Viewport 0 0 in the display section
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03:28<simonlnu>man xorg.conf for the exact part to put that in
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03:28<EmleyMoor>(is there a way to generate what your defaults would look like in xorg.conf)
03:29<simonlnu>X -configure is the only way i know of
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03:30<EmleyMoor>simonlnu: Would having him generate that for us help anyone to work out what he needs?
03:30<simonlnu>doh, he left...
03:31<simonlnu>depends. i've missed most of that. might simply e driver issue. might be some conf issue the defaults aren't satisfying.
03:32<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... latest on the nvidia backport is a bit of a tale of woe...
03:32<simonlnu>nvidia is already a pita
03:32<EmleyMoor>simonlnu: More or less so than ATI?
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03:32<chealer>metaspike: heh. well said.
03:33<simonlnu>ati - for some devices - at least there's the free drivers
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03:33<EmleyMoor>simonlnu: Any devices available today for which that applies?
03:33<gnugr>every time configuring nvidia-settings it creates a xorg.conf, if it fails to login after reboot and relogin with "startx" the old xorg.conf must be removed so nvidia-settings can create a new one to take place. nw one with new driver
03:34<simonlnu>metaspike: haha, good one
03:34<simonlnu>EmleyMoor: anything that radeon spit out when xorg starts? :) :P
03:35<EmleyMoor>simonlnu: ... and is a list of that kept online somewhere? (I'm just interested in case I ever encounter ATI - I'm reasonably happy with nvidia most of the time)
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03:36<simonlnu>when it works, it's decent. that's ime.
03:36<simonlnu>EmleyMoor: probably at
03:36<EmleyMoor>I deliberately chose Intel rather than ATI for my laptop
03:37<metaspike>he could create a basic xorg.conf with just this in it:, change the resolution and change "vesa" to "nouveau" to see if it works, problem is though, if it doesnt he would get dumped to terminal and unless his nano skills are up to scratch...
03:37<simonlnu>which i doubt :P
03:37<EmleyMoor>Well, if he comes back...
03:37<simonlnu>which i doubt :P
03:38<metaspike>or just change the resolution but yeah... it's just not kocher the whole scenario, the mind boggles. :p
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03:43<philipp>okey last chance... anyone a idea what to do with my resolution?
03:43<EmleyMoor>Had these suggestions while you were away...
03:43<EmleyMoor>he could create a basic xorg.conf with just this in it:, change the resolution and change "vesa" to "nouveau" to see if it works, problem is though, if it doesnt he would get dumped to terminal and unless his nano skills are up to scratch...
03:44<EmleyMoor> or just change the resolution
03:44<philipp>im awsome at the terminal i dont have running a xserver atm
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03:45<philipp>wich is why you have to send me the link again in a mom brb
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03:46<troll>okey on x now plz send me ur xorg.conf
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03:48<philipp>ye just blinking curser no x
03:48<babilen>troll: I don't really believe this backlog as you *know exactly* what your options are. Don't you also have integrated intel graphics? Use that!
03:49<xylo>hi. i'm trying to figure out the best way to use a non-bootable usb drive as my primary drive via a boot CD. However, cannot figure out how to do it. I was thinking about using kexec from a live CD or something. Suggestions?
03:49<philipp>babi <3 how do i do that?
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03:50<jm_>xylo: you mean you'd have kernel and initrd on CD and the actual / on the USB disk?
03:50<babilen>philipp: You disable nvidia in your BIOS
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03:51<jm_>next we hope he doesn't have a SB based CPU ;)
03:51<babilen>philipp: And hope that this optimus crapola has a hardware mux.
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03:51<philipp>i just make that nvidia stuff again
03:51<xylo>jm_: something like that. i was trying to just use a live CD but I can do a normal install but can't burn a disk because i have to use a live CD in the drive
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03:52<jm_>xylo: well using uuid/label to mount / should work
03:52<philipp>its totally impossible to run this naudivo driver or the other one we figured out
03:52<philipp>i had 2 wiskey at 8 am in the morning
03:52<philipp>im just burned out
03:53<xylo>my usb drive shows up as sdb and nor sda. it used to show up as sda but changed and now it is always sdb
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03:53<jm_>that's why uuid/label based mounting will help
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03:54<philipp>just tell me when my backport is ready and i remove my entire debian and reinstall
03:54<EmleyMoor>philipp: It won't be necessary to be that drastic
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03:55<EmleyMoor>Once the backport is ready it should simply be a matter of installing it.
03:55<philipp>EmleyMoor drastic is allways good... maybe i even burn my room down
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03:56<babilen>philipp: The other alternative is to install the driver from nvidia -- I've told you about this option (and sketched the backporting) some time ago. There really is not reason for you to ask it over and over again.
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03:57<xylo>jm_: so, if i install normal to the usb drive, then how do I do it... like 'init 1' ... 'mount /' ... 'init 2' ... all from booting the live CD? i know how to mount, but not sure about switching kernel versions, from live CD with kexec or somthing
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03:57<philipp>babilen ye sry i reinstalled the system and thought i give it an other shot
03:57<simonlnu>he came back :)
03:57<philipp>guys im drunk and i better go before i provocate an other ban. love you babilen
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03:58<EmleyMoor>"I don't know whether to fire it up or shoot it down." - one of my friends said that about a machine he was having trouble configuring.
03:59<simonlnu>fire it up into the stratosphere :P
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03:59<jm_>xylo: no I was thinking of just putting the boot loader, kernel and initrd (from the installed system) on the CD
03:59<simonlnu>watch it come down like a ball of fire ;p
04:00<xylo>jm_: actually I can burn a disc... so I install but how do i make an ISO that will boot it?
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04:01<opalepatrick>I mentioned an annoying problem last week where new windows open behind the active window. Someone mentioned it may be a bug, but I can see no current reference to this.
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04:02<opalepatrick>Happens with new apps opening or even within things like gimp (can you imagine?)
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04:02<xylo>jm_: i'll be more specific, i know about the requirements for booting somewhat, but i don;t know how to make a bootable linux disc
04:02<simonlnu>opalepatrick: context? wm in use?
04:03<xylo>jm_: err... bootable ISO file for burning to CD
04:03<jm_>xylo: genisoimage can make bootable CD-s
04:04<simonlnu>opalepatrick: 'focus stealing prevention', and focus on window opening
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04:04<jm_>xylo: (you can use isolinux for this)
04:04<opalepatrick>simonlnu, not sure, there is a windows preference option (but not related to window opening) - this is on squeeze with gnome -
04:04<opalepatrick>OK simonlnu - I will look for windows manager
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04:05<EmleyMoor>Windows manager sounds paneful <g>
04:05<simonlnu>in gnome it's metacity... you probably have to look it up in gconf-editor ...
04:05<jm_>xylo: some help I guess
04:05<simonlnu>EmleyMoor: omg... *groan*
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04:07*simonlnu is running openbox-xfce-session atm
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04:08<xylo>jm_: another question... how do I mount a initrd.img file? i even uncompressed it and still no luck. I wanted to tweak some stuff
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04:08<simonlnu>it's a cpio file
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04:08<simonlnu>gzipped... so zcat foo.img | cpio -i somewhere safe
04:09<xylo>simonlnu... i found that out... but not how to mount it...
04:09<simonlnu>you don't mount that
04:09<xylo>ahh... lol
04:10<metaspike>i *think* you want isolinux to load it (in the case of a CD) or grub/lilo (in the case of a installed system)
04:10<xylo>and how does the kernel get into that on boot?
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04:11<simonlnu>yes. the kernel unpacks it.
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04:12<jm_>xylo: in general, use "file" on it
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04:12<simonlnu>it's a file why would i use it on itself? :P
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04:13<simonlnu></lame joke alert>
04:13<xylo>jm_: i did that after i uncompressed it... but didn't know what cpio was.
04:13<Hogren>hello world
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04:14<simonlnu>dlrow olleh
04:14<Hogren>I am on Wheezy. I tried to install fglrx driver whith but the acceleration does'nt work
04:14<xylo>jm_: i thought it was a file system. i swear that i have made initrd images before, and i thought i had to 'dd' to create them and mount to access
04:14<EmleyMoor>Uryyb jbeyq
04:15<simonlnu>xylo: a long time ago. this is "new style" initrd. there's a way to do stuff like that (edit it), but procedure is a little different.
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04:16<jm_>xylo: yes they were like that a few years ago
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04:17<simonlnu>xylo: the kernel source docs talk about this
04:17<metaspike>Hogren, this channel is for debian squeeze *regardless* sudo aptitude install fglrx-driver should do it? worked for me (tm) did you tryi installing this package?
04:17<metaspike>and rebooting afterwards?
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04:18<metaspike>sorry.. install that then run - sudo aticonfig --initial - *then* reboot
04:19<magnus_>hi. im trying to build gcc from source on a debian based system. it seems like gcc is not fully compliant with this new "multiarch" thing, where debian has moved certain include files into a <arch> subdir. anyone know how to build gcc on debian without disabling multilib? i tried looking at how the gcc-snapshot package does it, but the amount of files is simply overwhelming to anyone without expert knowledge in debian source package
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04:21<metaspike>magnus_, build it with - make --enable-multilib ?
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04:22<xylo>jm_ and simonlnu: THANK YOU BUNCHES!!! Now to see if I can get it to work!
04:22<jm_>xylo: no worries
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04:24<magnus_>metaspike, ok, i'll try. i thought the problem was having it enabled :)
04:25<metaspike>im not sure
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04:26<metaspike>but as a suggestion is stands that gcc-multilib "contains dependencies for the non-default multilib architectures" so it could be what you need.
04:27<fredl>hi guys, I seem to be experiencing a lot of problems with installing Debian on a server with an Intel ICH10R fakeraid controller in it.
04:29<fredl>First time we bought it, my colleague went ahead and initialized a RAID on it, but I don't want no fake raid shit, so in the BIOS I changed it from RAID -> AHCI. Problem was that the disks were then no longer visible to the BIOS (apparently this happens when disks have a RAID signature already
04:30<fredl>So after switching back to RAID again and really *removing* the RAID sets, the disks became visible as AHCI disks again, I installed Debian on it, and thought all was fine
04:31<fredl>but now I rebooted it again, als grub doesn' t boot again :(
04:32<fredl>gnugr - I' m not using dmraid at all though. Grub is installed on /dev/sda
04:34<fredl>but right now, not even a sign of grub being started. Don't see any prompt, not any output, nothing at all.
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04:34<fredl>just a black screen after the initial BIOS blurbs
04:35<jm_>just try reinstalling grub on it again
04:35<jm_>you can check for grub's signature on MBR (that's where you isntalled it, right?)
04:35<fredl>I did try that several times, same result. Even tried installing LILO on it instead, same result
04:36<fredl>yes, on MBR
04:37<fredl>it's a 64 bit install, not sure if that helps any.
04:37<jm_>well are you sure that's the disk that BIOS thinks it's the first one?
04:37<fredl>and I installed it from my PXE boot server.
04:39<fredl>not 100% sure. It's a bit obscure in this BIOS as I can only select one disk as primary boot disk
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04:40<fredl>and all it says in the BIOS Boot Device priority is SATALSM-WDC WD3000BLHX-01V7BV0
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04:40<fredl>ehr SATA:SM
04:40<jm_>older grub (1.x) always printed GRUB first, not sure about grub-pc
04:41<fredl>me either. I've never really had a grub-pc install fail so far.
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04:42<fredl>well lemme try booting from the network... could you tell me how I can check for the grub signature in the MBR?
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04:43<jm_>dd if=/dev/sda count=1 | strings
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04:43<fredl>I have to say, so far this whole SuperMicro server adventure sucks :/
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04:43<jm_>it also used to store version number and other stuff in the past (again, no idea about 2.x)
04:44<jm_>looks like it still does
04:44<fredl>hmm need to step through the installer a bit further I guess as I don't seem to have /dev/sda yet
04:45<gnugr>fredl: did you try " grub-install /dev/sda " ?
04:46<fredl>well that's what I had the installer do for me gnugr. It's a minimal install over the network so I've been reinstalling several times
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04:46<fredl>may be a bit overkill
04:46<jm_>it won't be the first time executing this manually will help
04:47<gnugr>fredl: try this " grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg "
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04:47<fredl>alright, I'll give it a try
04:47<jm_>just mount your / and do it frm there (/msg dpkg fixmbr)
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04:49<fredl>first lemme check if there's any grub sig on it to begin with, still not quite there :)
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04:52<fredl>Hmm I don' t have the strings command yet in the installed, but simply dd if=/dev/sda count=1 shows something about GRUB in there
04:52<fredl>GRUB GeomHard DiskRead Error
04:52<jm_>that's fine then
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04:54<fredl>Of course I'm still not sure now IF /dev/sda is in fact the disk the machine sees as it's boot disk....
04:54<benjr>im trying to find out what partition table type my drive has, can someone help me decipher this output?
04:56<fredl>okay, just to make sure, I'll mount /dev/sda1 /mnt;mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt; chroot /mnt and grub-install /dev/sda
04:57<anbe>friedl: mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
04:57<fredl>LOL yeah just noticed that.
04:57<jm_>benjr: parted can identify it
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04:59<fredl>ok, so grub-install /dev/sda says 'No error reported'
04:59<fredl>gnugr - I should still to the grub-mkconfig after that?
05:00<jm_>benjr: looks like regular PC partition table (fdisk would also mention if it's GPT I believe)
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05:01<fredl>gnugr - says 'Cannot find list of partitions! (Try mounting /sys)
05:02<fredl>is that something I can do in a chrooted environment?
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05:02<fredl>oh I guess I can :P
05:02<gnugr>did it run update-grub?
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05:03<benjr>jm_, ah thank you, it says its msdos, its an ssd, how big of a deal is it having an ssd thats not gpt?
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05:03<benjr>is it possible to convert without formatting?
05:03<fredl>it does not say that. It's also telling me to mount /proc right now...
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05:04<jm_>benjr: it shouldn't matter as long as it's aligned if needed
05:04<fredl>gnugr - ok, it finished and says 'done' at the end....
05:04<fredl>no error messages this time.
05:05<gnugr>run "update-grub" again to see
05:05<benjr>jm_, how would i determine if its aligned?
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05:05<fredl>only a very minor difference between the newly generated grub.cfg and the original one (set lang= became set lang=en)
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05:06<jm_>benjr: fdisk -u -l
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05:07<fredl>gnugr - oh, a thing maybe worth mentioning. When I do fdisk -l it says 'Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary'
05:08<benjr>jm_, start 2048, end 149874687 ... the sector size is 512, so does that mean for proper alignment is should be start 512?
05:08<fredl>from the very dark past I recall that LILO sometimes had issue with this, but not at all sure. I'm not sure where this message comes from, maybe because I manually partitioned the disk from the installed?
05:09<fredl>gnugr - update-grub gives the same output as grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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05:09<gnugr>not right mounted though
05:11<jm_>benjr: the drives are typically alligned on 4k block boundaries, so you are fine (that's how windows 7 creates it for example)
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05:11<jm_>fredl: this warning can usually be ignored
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05:12<fredl>does it sound like I now actually fixed anything? it does not look to me like the output of dd if=/dev/sda count=1 has changed at all by reinstalling grub
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05:13<asghar>hi hru
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05:13<fredl>jm_ / gnugr - anything else I should give a try before rebooting it and seeing if it made any difference?
05:14<jm_>fredl: not if you followed the 'fixmbr' factoid (wel obviously umount etc)
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05:14<fredl>oops almost forgot about that.
05:15<fredl>hang on
05:15<fredl>yeah did those...
05:16<fredl>so I'm quite sure I do have a valid MBR then, I think.
05:16<fredl>can things be confused by switching the BIOS between IDE or AHCI mode?
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05:17<fredl>see it would all work if I switched on the stupid fake RAID, create a RAID, and install Debian (except my install doesn't seem to see the RAID partition, so I install on /dev/sda, so the fake RAID bios gets confused about the disks
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05:29<fredl>Hmm, just to make sure I'm going to try and literally disable the second disk.
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05:32<fredl>no luck, this BIOS is sick. I 'disable' a disk in the BIOS, reboot and it still reports it and I bet it's trying to boot from it.
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05:33<jm_>what if you connect only one?
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05:34<fredl>yeah I'm thinking about making a call to the datacenter to have them pull out a disk for me.
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05:34<jm_>if this was grub 1 I'd try without stage 1.5 but no idea if or how this still works with grub 2
05:34<metaspike>this isn't sataraid right?
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05:35<jm_>not anymore apparently
05:35<fredl>metaspike - nope, I disabled that in the BIOS
05:35<afuentes>what does has to do with
05:35<fredl>I don't want sataraid, are there ANY benefits to it whatever?
05:36<metaspike>so it's "biosraid"
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05:36<fredl>yeah, aka. 'fake raid'
05:36<fredl>Intel ICH10R chipset
05:37<fredl>other than not liking fakeraid until somebody convinces me it got lots better in a few years... Debian doesn' t see the RAID partitions in the installer.
05:38<fredl>it only sees the physical disks. I read it's possible to install Debian on it with some dmraid option but not even sure if I want to.
05:39<jm_>how did you wipe RAID signatures?
05:39<metaspike>ok im only asking because i stumbled upon this which seems relevant.
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05:39<fredl>jm_ I removed the RAID set through the Adaptec BIOS
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05:40<jm_>fredl: hmm I'd use dd to clean first 200MB of the drive or somesuch
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05:40<fredl>I hoped that would be sufficient, it did make the disks visible again in the AHCI BIOS
05:40<fredl>well it' s a 300M disk, so might as well dd /dev/zero to the whole disk right?
05:41<jm_>300G surely?
05:41<fredl>yes :)
05:41<jm_>yeah 300M would be fast, 300G would take a lot of time ;)
05:42<fredl>I think I'll just try doing that on both disks
05:42<fredl>kinda sucks as I'll have to reinstall stuff again, but oh well that' s quick
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05:43<metaspike>you say that the installer did not detect the raid paritions. the link above says that you must add 'dmraid=true' to the expert installer line for it to detect raid devices.
05:44<metaspike>"dmraid discovers block and software RAID devices (eg, ATARAID) by using multiple different metadata format handlers which support various formats"
05:44<fredl>metaspike - true. But didn' t even try that as I don't want fake RAID unless somebody can convince me it's worth anything whatsoever
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05:46<fredl>in fact I read some thing about it last night that flat out recommend against it
05:46<metaspike>of course of course. well. is it a dual bios? if you have marvell ports then you have two bios's (apparently) you access one with just DEL at boot and the other with CTRL+M. that's all ive got unfortunately good luck.
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05:47*fredl looks at metaspike... yes... thank you.
05:47<metaspike>i read that tidbit here:
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05:49<fredl>oh that' s not dual BIOS :) Just the Marvell controller BIOS if you have any :)
05:50<metaspike>yeah. some such like that.
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06:12<troll>guys my sound is not working without pulseaudio... i set alsa as default, heared the test beep but no program took the settings
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06:16<metaspike>did you purge/remove pulseaudio?
06:16<troll>metaspike i dont have pulseaudio
06:16<metaspike>does alsamixer work?
06:16<troll>metaspike no
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06:17<troll>Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/
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06:17<troll>metaspike i took the home folder from my old debian where alsa was installed... could that be the problem?
06:18<torbjorn>Is there any documentation for the valid names and values for /etc/default/grub for GRUB2 ? .. I can see all the keys /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig, but I haven't found any good docs
06:18<torbjorn>Ubuntu wiki for GRUB2 isn't bad, but doesn't cover Xen values
06:20<metaspike>yeah. troll - rm ~/.asoundrc - in otherwords "remove /home/$USER/.asoundrc" your old pulse audio config
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06:21<troll>metaspike done now restart?
06:21<metaspike>but literally speaking " rm ~/.asoundrc " should fix it.
06:21<metaspike>nah just try alsamixer again
06:22<metaspike>or sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart to restart the audio server if that doesnt work
06:22<metaspike>depending on how you installed debian you might have to - sudo adduser "yourusername" audio -
06:23<troll>metaspike putting my user in audio group?
06:23<torbjorn>In case anyone was wondering, the handling of /etc/default/grub is completely handled by GRUB, so it's documented in the GRUB2 documentation itself:
06:24<jm_>torbjorn: indeed, was just too slow finding it (it would be nice if it was mentioned in the index)
06:24<metaspike>exatley, if that's the case then you would have to log out then in again for that group policy to take effect
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06:25<troll>well i am in audio group
06:25<torbjorn>jm_: yeah, I misunderstood and though that maybe /etc/default/grub was a Debian enhancement, so I was looking for love in all the wrong places
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06:25<metaspike>removed .asoundrc. does alsamixer work now?
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06:26<troll>metaspike yes
06:26<jm_>torbjorn: nope, it's upstream stuff
06:27<torbjorn>jm_: So I found out, and that seems very reasonable
06:27<metaspike>troll, what I did was google your error message like so: "Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/ debian" - you will find that if you have a problem, chances are somebody else has also and a solution can be found on the fourms :)
06:28<troll>metaspike still its not working for some reason... for my headset there is just 1 checkbox no options to set.... thats odd...
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06:30<troll>metaspike the strange thing is i hear the test sound in multimedia system selector but i cant find the right settings in the alsamixer and programs are still without sound
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06:33<troll>well i restart... maybe this will fix it
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06:34<troll>still no sound ;'(
06:35<metaspike>troll, the only time restarting actually makes any difference in linux is when significant changes are made to the kernel or xorg, but even then one is just "being lazy" :p
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06:36<troll>well i did not know what to do else....
06:36<nevyn>metaspike: or if you add index= to sound modules or something
06:36<troll>i dont realy understand whats the problem...
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06:37<nevyn>so module options it can be simpler to just reboot
06:37<troll>guys any suggestions?
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06:37<metaspike>yeah, that to. cant forget ol modprobe though.
06:38<metaspike>troll, i think your solution lies within
06:38<nevyn>troll: your ~/.asoundrc refers to the pulse pcm and youdo't have pulse installed anymore
06:38<ladoga>no one really understands pulseaudio :)
06:38*nevyn does.
06:38<nevyn>install pulseaudio or move your .asoundrc
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06:40<metaspike>in otherwords *hold on*
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06:42<metaspike>this one is similar and spells it out literally
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06:43<metaspike>so someone tell me. if he recreates .asoundrc with only ' pcm.!default front:Headset ' it could work? sounds to good to be true!
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06:43<babilen>Sounds plausible -- TIAS
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06:45<troll>metaspike to i have to relogin after?
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06:46<babilen>metaspike: It assumes that "aplay -L" lists the headset as "front:CARD=Headset" -- So a look at "aplay -L" and the currently used ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf seems to be a good idea.
06:46<metaspike>considering that this is a alsa thing, all you would have to do is restar the alsa service with - sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart -
06:46<ladoga>troll i think you need to restart alsa
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06:47<nevyn>this is parsed every time something tries to open default
06:47<nevyn>the idea of restarting alsa is just silly
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06:47<ladoga>nevyn: ok, thanks
06:47<troll>sry guys hold on i made a misstake... will try it again
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06:48<nevyn>in that alsa doesn't have a daemon with any sort of state.
06:48<metaspike>case and point. research the facts, dont make assumptions.
06:48<nevyn>alsa utils just resets volumes on devices
06:49<troll>sry guys it was my fault... just copied the line mindless but had to rename "headset" to Megalodon
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06:49<troll>it worxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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06:49<nevyn>as long as you only ever want to use the headset
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06:50<troll>*kiss metaspike*
06:50<nevyn>if you want to send some things to the headset and some to speakers or plugin the headset and transfer stuff on the fly then you need some kind of policy routing buffering audio routing solution if only such a thing existed
06:50<babilen>(e.g. pulseaudio)
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06:51<troll>metaspike is therea
06:51<metaspike>thats kind of you but please, dont come here with your issues try and search around first v_v
06:51<troll>metaspike is there any chance to see if i use 7.1 sound?
06:52<jm_>there are DTS samples for 5.1 at least
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07:02<troll>lol now the sound works everywhere but skype ><
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07:05<gnugr>troll: wich skype version you run?
07:06<nevyn>skype likes talking to pulse install it copy your saved .asoundrc back everything good
07:06<gnugr>troll: skype has its own sound options, fix them
07:07<troll>nevyn im sure its not... im sure i would rip apart everyithing that workes and would be strandend with even more problems -.-
07:08<gnugr>skype>options>sound and fix them
07:08<gnugr>make test too
07:08<babilen>troll: Skype is supported on -- But follow nevyn's suggestion and you should be fine.
07:09<nevyn>you did save the .asoundrc that set pcm.!default to pulse right?
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07:09<nevyn>troll: or this howto:
07:10<troll>no! pulseaudio sux! pulseaudio is pain! pulseaudio makes everything worse -.-
07:11<troll>apt-get install pulseaudio libao4 paprefs libpulse-mainloop-glib0 pulseaudio-module-jack pavucontrol pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11 gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils libasound2-plugins paman pulseaudio-module-gconf libgconfmm-2.6-1c2 libpulse-browse0 pavumeter libglademm-2.4-1c2a pulseaudio-esound-compat libpulse0 libpulse-dev pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pulseaudio-module-zeroconf omg more useless stuff
07:11<babilen>troll: Stop it -- There is *no* reason whatsoever to paste this in here.
07:11*metaspike installs skype for a looksee
07:12<metaspike>yeah dont paste those filthy dependencies into my window i feel ill just looking at them :p
07:12*gnugr over a week #d works for troll
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07:14<troll>metaspike they are not dependecys... they are just what the howto tells me to install so pulseaudio work.... dependency list would not even be possible to paste in i guess
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07:22<metaspike>troll, it's easy. login. click the blue 'S' bottom left, sound devices, specify your devices. make a test call. see what happens.
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07:23<troll>metaspike i did. dont get sound in any settings. it was realy realy realy never easy :)
07:23<troll>and i dont get this sound system selector to give me any sound too
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07:24<troll>Multimedia System selector does not do any sound
07:25<troll>it works
07:25<troll>i did not change a thing and suddenly it woks O-O
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07:33<troll>metaspike sorry i did not mean to flame... just got frustrated... realy aprecheate your help thx
07:35<metaspike>all good.
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07:47<prem>anyone has created truecrypt volumes under debian?
07:47<troll>guys someone know if it is easily possible to get 7.1 sound working on alsa?
07:47<prem>i want to know how many such truecrypt volumes can be created under one debian parition?
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07:48<babilen>!tell prem -about truecrypt
07:48<babilen>prem: Try their forums -- I typically use dm-crypt/luks
07:49<prem>babilen, well i dont find better implementation doc on dm-crypt/luks .,thats y tried truecrypt
07:50<prem>if you got any docs for commandline mode.,link me
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07:53<vipo>I've just added a 2gb ram module to my acer revo 64 bits debian system. I've already 2Gb, so now i've got 4Gb. BIOS and lshw tells me that there're 4Gb, but "free -m" tells me that only 3 Gb are available. any ideas?
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07:54<mosno>vipo: which debian port?
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07:54<vipo>mosno: x86_64
07:54<vipo>Linux chi 2.6.32-5-amd64
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07:56<babilen>prem: Read "man cryptsetup", /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/* and -- The Debian installer supports it as well.
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07:59<troll>i am currently trying to upgrade my alsa to 7.1 sound follwing . Do i have to write my own pcm section like pcm.Megalon. Here my alsa settings
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08:03<jm_>vipo: perhaps check dmesg output
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08:05<babilen>vipo: Could you paste the "free -m" output to ?
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08:07<vipo>jm_: thanks, here is the dmesg relevant output:
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08:07<vipo>babilen: thanks, here is the free -m output:
08:07<vipo>sorry babilen
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08:07<babilen>vipo: Are you sure?
08:07<vipo>babilen: here:
08:08<vipo>here is the good "free -m" output:
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08:11<jm_>vipo: yeah you need to add those together
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08:13<vipo>jm_: what i need to add together?
08:13<jm_>vipo: the ranges, let me see
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08:20<troll>is there a repo i can use to download games for debian? does playdeb work for debian?
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08:21<jm_>vipo: there are only two usable ranges that together bring ~ 3G
08:21<babilen>vipo: Please paste the output of "dmidecode" -- Which chipset is used on your motherboard? (which mobo/processor)
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08:21<abrotman>troll: i'm going to be honest here .. you'd probably be much better off with a distro more suited toward a complete end-user experience
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08:22<troll>abrotman u tould me that 4 times now. no. im useing debian.
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08:22<vipo>jm_: so, there's no solution for this problem?
08:23<vipo>babilen: here:
08:23<abrotman>troll: then i guess you're going to have to learn to read more
08:23<jm_>vipo: is there a newer BIOS? perhaps various kernel options can help
08:23<troll>abrotman aha
08:24<vipo>jm_: don't know, let me see if theres a BIOS update
08:25<babilen>vipo: As you can see (line 228/257) the two dimm's are being recognised. I suspect that your chipset can not address your complete memory.
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08:29<babilen>vipo: ← as suspected
08:29<vipo>thank you babilen
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08:29<jm_>vipo: do specs say this can use 4G of RAM at all?
08:29<nodiscc>vipo, jm_, babilen, same for me, free -m says "Mem: 2002", altough i bought my laptop with 4GB
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08:29<bhagath>hi friends
08:29<vipo>jm_: good question, i dont know :/
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08:30<bhagath>i am using debian unstable and cacher
08:30<jm_>vipo: another option that sometimes helps is address remaping (
08:30<jm_>vipo: so maybe this chipset doesn't support it
08:31<babilen>jm_: Take a look at my last link -- It details what the "missing" memory is used for.
08:31<bhagath>i am setting up my cacher at ip
08:31<bhagath>i am using dynamic ip
08:31<vipo>thank you very much jm_ and babilen!
08:31<bhagath>today its changes to
08:32<bhagath>when i want to install any package it directly goes to old ip address
08:32<bhagath>it show the failure message
08:32<jm_>babilen: read the wiki page and you'll realize this is related ...
08:32<bhagath>what can i do
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08:33<babilen>jm_: Sure, I wasn't criticising you in any way and reading that wiki page is indeed illuminating.
08:34<jm_>babilen: btw, I read the page and then went on to find the wiki page for him
08:35<vipo>nodiscc, please paste your "dmidecode" output on
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08:36<jm_>nodiscc: which kernel are you using?
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08:37<babilen>vipo: hehe :)
08:38<vipo>babilen: ;)
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09:06<troll>anyone would help me to set up alsa with 7.1 sound?
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09:15*abrotman is sure this is what he meant by reading ..
09:16<troll>abrotman i did reading... there is no easy way i could find out
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09:20<troll>i found some wiki but the config file looked so differently then mine...
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09:38<caoxiaomin>hello everyone
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09:46<troll>guys are you willing to help me on more problems... because otherwise i dont think i get my debian working...
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09:59<troll>okey guys im setting up pulseaudio
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10:00<troll>can anyone tell me a good tutorial?
10:00<babilen>troll: You've been given a link to one already, check your logs/history.
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10:01<babilen>!tell troll -about pulseaudio
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10:01<troll>babilen i know but that tutorial suggested that i install like 100 packages
10:01<babilen>troll: Install pulseaudio and take it from there.
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10:07<troll>i thought i could make a system without but... never mind
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10:12<troll>babilen i just dont wanna install all of them... just need that one so i have the same sound selector then on ubuntu...
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10:35<fredl>hey guys. I have a server with two NICs, running KVM and created two bridge devices
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10:36<fredl>Now I'm creating a guest and want it to install its OS through a PXE boot.
10:37<fredl>in the DHCP server log, I see the request coming in from that MAC address and the DHCP server sends back a reply
10:37<fredl>apparently however, it never reaches the guest
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10:38<fredl>any idea how I would go about troubleshooting that?
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10:40<OpenTokix>fredl: Make sure only one of the nics have default route - or its easy packets get lost
10:40<OpenTokix>if they are on the same network etc.
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10:44<kelkoobenoitr>hello. Is there a way to tell apt-get: don't ask questions. i will do the setup myself after, just put default conf
10:45<kelkoobenoitr>for instance when trying to install libpam-ldap: it is asking about the server and so on
10:45<kelkoobenoitr>i want to script all this
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10:54<fredl>OpenTopix - hmm...
10:54<kelkoobenoitr>ok found it
10:54<kelkoobenoitr>DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install libpam-ldap
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11:00<theocrite>Is there a way to tell apt to "purge" all uninstalled packets (rc)?
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11:02<theocrite>Something tha would do the same thing as " apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk {'print $2'}) " but with one command.
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11:04<haahahjkajah>hi, is anyone using Tor ?
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11:06<troll>haahahjkajah i was a fiew days ago
11:06<babilen>theocrite: "aptitude purge ~c"
11:06<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:06<haahahjkajah>troll, would it encrypt my traffic on a public open wifi ?
11:07<haahahjkajah>it/s not my wifi, but i'm aware of cookie grabbing and spoofing ...
11:07<troll>haahahjkajah no
11:07<haahahjkajah>oh :(
11:07<petemc>i dont use tor, but my understanding is it does encrypt all your traffic
11:07<haahahjkajah>it's sad because not many sites use https
11:08<troll>haahahjkajah thats not job of the tor network... tor is just to forward...
11:08<babilen>petemc: It does -- It even uses multiple layers of encryption, hence the "onion"
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11:09<troll>it does? o_O
11:09*haahahjkajah is confused
11:09<troll>haahahjkajah just hold on babilen he is proberbly right
11:09<haahahjkajah>i'm installing it now, hoping it's working in iceweasel
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11:10<haahahjkajah>but the thing is, i have no idea how to test if i'm being watched or not over the wifi :)
11:10<babilen>haahahjkajah: Use it with polipo and take a look at /usr/share/doc/tor/README.polipo (or privoxy, ..)
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11:11<haahahjkajah>i see it's like squid
11:11<haahahjkajah>that needs a server
11:11<babilen>haahahjkajah: -- There is also quite an active #tor channel on this network.
11:11<haahahjkajah>oh, thanks
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11:17<theocrite>babilen: thanks. But I'm using apt-get now (as far as I understand, it is advised to do so since squeeze). Is there an apt-get equivalent? Or can I use both apt-get and aptitude without issues?
11:18<theocrite>Well I never had any issues before, tho.
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11:19<babilen>theocrite: You can use both together without problems on squeeze -- apt-get is also *not* the recommended package manager for daily use. (well it is not not recommended as well) -- It is just that the *upgrade* from lenny to squeeze works better with apt-get as aptitude "overthinks" it in some (rare) corner-cases.
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11:20<ml|>theocrite: aptitude is recommended, should _only_ use apt-get when aptitude does not have X feature
11:20<ml|>IMHO, anyways ;)
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11:21<babilen>theocrite: Just use the right tool for the job and in this case it is quite obviously aptitude due to its vastly superior search feature.
11:21<babilen>!tell theocrite -about aptitude search
11:22<babilen>theocrite: There used to be problems when you used apt-get and aptitude together in older releases, which boiled down to both of them not sharing information about automatically/manually installed packages and aptitude's default behaviour to remove all "unneeded" automatically installed packages. Those days are gone though.
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11:25<jhutchins_lt>Kinda like the days when Lilo couldn't handle large disks - long ago, quickly fixed, but still remembered.
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11:30<theocrite>babilen, ml|, thank you very much for the informations.
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11:31<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Until the end of time :)
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12:35<ist6>hello guys
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12:36<ist6>anybody from istanbul
12:36<ist6>or ukraine
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13:07<Nik05>who know something about PulseAudio?
13:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:07<cthuluh>I know it's crap (if it was a poll)
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13:07<ikey>Anyone here know much about gconf defaults?
13:07<Nik05>ok i have a new headset
13:08<Nik05>and i have a scroll thingy on my headset
13:08<Nik05>but when i scroll to change volume it changes the volume of my other videocard not headset
13:08<Nik05>who do i change that?
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13:17<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: run the thngyset daemon?
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13:18<Nik05>huh jhutchins ?
13:18<Nik05>the pulseaudio daemon?
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13:24<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: I think the thingyset daemon is packaged with nosmoke.exe
13:24<Nik05>i havent installed anything for my thinyset
13:25<jhutchins_lt>It's that daemon that enables settings on random pieces of undefined, non-standard hardware.
13:25<Nik05>and which daemon is that? :P
13:25<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: thingyset!
13:25<Nik05>what...? :P
13:26<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Seriously, you're going to have to track down something in the forums that references your specific headset hardware and how to control the volume on it. You haven't told us anything about it except that it's a headset (USB?), but I doubt if anyone else here has the same one or knows anything about it.
13:26<Nik05>well the scroll thingy does work but PulseAudio changes the wrong volume
13:27<Nik05>so... do you really need any info about my headset? :P
13:27<jhutchins_lt>scroll thingys are funny that way.
13:27<Nik05>i thought it was just a PulseAudio setting
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13:48<jump1973>vorrei scaricare la versione vecchia di mozilla per l'add-on di grooveshark shredder, ma non riesco...
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13:49<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:51<jump1973>scusa da dove?
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13:52<abrotman>jump1973: english here, italian in #debian-it
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14:01<EmleyMoor>I have just upgraded such packages as necessary to install the backport of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. This has completely fixed one of my problems (tvtime now works again, including full screen), and largely fixed another (fuse-sdl, the Spectrum emulator, now makes some sense of full screen), it has introduced one new problem. If I run google-earth, I get logged out!
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14:02<EmleyMoor>Obviously, I am looking for a fix for that last problem, next...
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14:04<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: should be something in ~/.xsession-errors or Xorg.0.log
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14:08<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: Nothing obvious where it's bombing out
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14:11<EmleyMoor>I'll pastebin both...
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14:12<EmleyMoor> and 148507
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14:23<EmleyMoor>One other questi
14:24<EmleyMoor>One other question relevant to this change - I'd like the 800x600 mode to fill the screen vertically but not be stretched horizontally - can that be set up with nouveau?
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14:39<DYSW>Hey all. Is there a rmdir command that can actually delete everything inside a directory and the directory ? rmdir with 100s of files just takes hours
14:39<DYSW>there gotta be a simpler solution
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14:41<EmleyMoor>rm -rf directory
14:41<DYSW>thx worth a try
14:42<daemonkeeper>Rumors are, it is known to work
14:43<DYSW>lol brilliant, it did, saved me hours of rmdir and rm
14:43<DYSW>*.* commands. thx
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14:45<ompaul>DYSW: you don't need *.* on linux
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14:46<ompaul>DYSW: for instance if you have a directory called NotWanted in /home/dysw/ so it is /home/dysw/NotWanted rm -rf /home/dysw/NotWanted removes it
14:47<DYSW>ompaul > No not with the rm -rf directory command, but if your in a directory with 100s files and you Dont wanna(know cd .. && rm -rf directory. its a bit usefull
14:47<EmleyMoor>rm * would remowe all files in a directory
14:48<DYSW>Wont use it again now i know
14:48<DYSW>all Thanks EmleyMoor
14:48<DYSW>sorry ahh
14:48<ompaul>DYSW: && and & are different things, using & is to put things in the background and tbh if you are doing cd .. && then save a keystroke cd ..(ENTER) and then run the next command
14:49<ompaul>pwd to double check where you are is the right place
14:49<ompaul>DYSW: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, being tired is also dangerous
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14:50<DYSW>ompaul > Thanks for the info. Newer used &, just && because it saves time. Now i know what & does.
14:50<EmleyMoor>An indiscriminate rm -rf * is very risky
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14:52<DYSW>yes cd / && rm -rf * > could cause a bit of problems
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14:54<ompaul>just in case someone is stupid enough to try that last thing - it will take out your box
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16:34<zero_>babilen: are you there?
16:35<jhutchins_lt>zero_: What are you working on?
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16:35<zero_>jhutchins_lt: problem with a package...
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16:36<zero_>aptitude can't find virtuoso-opensource-6.1 package but says its there...
16:37<zero_>for armel
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16:43<nodiscc>Hi, i have an E-MU 0404 PCI soundcard in my debian box, when I play a song through alsa, I have to adjust the sample rate in my card controls in alsamixer to match the song's sample rate. Otherwise audio plays too slow with low pitch/too fast with high pitch
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16:44<nodiscc>If i play a 48kHz file, I have to set my card to 48kHz. Any idea on how to do this automatically/resample audio before sending it to the card ?
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16:44<nodiscc>like something in .asoundrc
16:45<iiu7>Is there a single package that all other KDE packages depend upon? Such that if removed KDE would be completely removed too?
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16:48<troll>someone know whats the default mail server on debian squeeze?
16:48<EmleyMoor>exim, I think
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16:50<troll>sry conncection crashed
16:50<EmleyMoor>I have installed the backported xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and all it needs, and it has fixed almost all my problems. However, I get logged out if I run google-earth
16:50<EmleyMoor>troll: exim, I think
16:51<EmleyMoor>I pasted my logs earlier...
16:51<EmleyMoor> and 148507
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16:52<dreamer000>this is what was logged today when I removed an usb stick:
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16:53<jhutchins_lt>nodiscc: What are you playing the files _with_?
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16:56<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: sadly everything has the same result, audacious, mocp, mpg123, mplayer, vlc
16:56<franck>hello, having a problem right now ; with debian-sid and .avi files ; launching movie.avi with mplayer2 or vlc, the screen freeze (over a VT) and i need to reset the computer to unblock all
16:57<franck>nodiscc: are you experiencing the same problem ?
16:57<MrFrood>franck: #debian-next for sid support
16:57<nodiscc>franck: nope, just my audio being distorted :D
16:57<franck>thank you MrFrood :)
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16:59<nodiscc>jhutchins_lt: when i play a 22kHz file and my clock frequency is at 44.1kHz it plays at 2x it's normal speed, if you see what i mean
16:59<dreamer000>I guess the usb hub has not enough power so sometimes high speed usb devices randomly get disconnected. However the handling of this situation got better over time.
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16:59<nodiscc>in other words there's no resampling of audio before it's sent to the card out. But it's only with this card.
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16:59<EmleyMoor>I've moved .googleearth out of the way and I still get logged out when I run google-earth
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17:02<Atchim>acabei de instalar o debian num Q1Ultra e o touchscreen naum funciona. alguem sabe resolver isso?
17:02<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
17:03<Atchim>thank you
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17:10<EmleyMoor>Why would running google-earth log me out?
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17:32<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: GE messes with low-level display control calls.
17:32<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: When you say it "logs you out", do you mean it crashes?
17:33<EmleyMoor>It abruptly ends my session, taking me back to the gdm3 login screen
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17:34<retrospectacus>probably a bug in the nouveau driver
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17:34<victor_uva>hello, I have a little problem with installation of openoffice or libreoffice in debian squeeze; I think that maybe it's a problem of dependencies
17:35*retrospectacus too
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17:35<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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17:35<victor_uva>I haven't used testing or sid in this system, but I used backports various times
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17:35<dondelelcaro>victor_uva: see above; if you give us that output, we can probably tell you what is going wrong
17:35<EmleyMoor>victor_uva: You need backports to use libreoffice, and I seem to recall it was a bit of a pain to do...
17:36<retrospectacus>victor_uva: why (try to) install both of those?
17:36<victor_uva>the thing is that if I use aptitude, I'm not able to install it, and if I do it using apt-get, I can
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17:36<victor_uva>but the interface for libreoffice is very rude
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17:36<victor_uva>it's not like other gtk programs, my libreoffice appears with a windows98-interface
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17:38<victor_uva>just a sec, I'll repeat the proccess of installing
17:38<retrospectacus>victor_uva: if you say so... what dondelelcaro said
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17:40<victor_uva>trying to install libreoffice using aptitude:
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17:41<victor_uva>trying to install libreoffice using apt-get:
17:41<dondelelcaro>victor_uva: and what if you do something like: aptitude install libreoffice; ?
17:41<dondelelcaro>victor_uva: and what other solutions does aptitude give you?
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17:43<AopicieR>hi, is there a known issue with the bug subscription system? I have not received emails from the bugs I am subscribed to for several weeks
17:43<victor_uva>first solution:
17:43<victor_uva>second solution:
17:43<dondelelcaro>AopicieR: nope; which bugs are you subscribed to?
17:43<victor_uva>and there are no more solutions, just the first one and the other two I have just sent
17:44<AopicieR>dondelelcaro: for example
17:44<dondelelcaro>AopicieR: ok, the last mail to that was on the 25th, but let me see...
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17:44<AopicieR>I'll try to find one with a more recent comment, a second please
17:45<dondelelcaro>AopicieR: if you want to move to #debian-lists, it'd be more on topic there
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17:49<victor_uva>I remember perfectly somethin I was said here: never ever mix stable with testing and sid, otherwise your system will be a mixture that will be difficult to use
17:49<victor_uva>so after this advise, I only used squeeze and squeeze-backports repositories
17:49<EmleyMoor>OK - another nouveau question... I'd like to arrange for the 800x600 mode to fill my 1920x1200 screen vertically, but be "pillarboxed" horizontally so as to maintain the 4:3 aspect ratio of the actual image. Is there any way to set that?
17:49<victor_uva>because packages in backports are supposed to work properly in stable
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17:50<EmleyMoor>victor_uva: Backports are supposed to be as compatible as possible with stable, yes.
17:51<victor_uva>but now I try to install libreoffice and I find those broken dependencies; with apt-get I'm able to install libreoffice, but when you open any program of libreoffice you get a windows98-like interface, not the gtk interface
17:51<victor_uva>the window is very rude (the program works ok)
17:51<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I've never found an issue with the interface...
17:52<victor_uva>I can take a screenshot to show it
17:52<coruja>is libreoffice-gtk installed?
17:52<EmleyMoor>How can a window be "rude"?
17:53*EmleyMoor has libreoffice-gtk installed, FWIW
17:53<victor_uva>EmleyMoor: sorry, my original language is not English, I will probably be mistaken; what I wanted to say is that the window is "ugly", it's not equal to the other programs
17:53<victor_uva>I'll check it
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17:54<jhutchins_lt>victor_uva: Does openoffice look different?
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17:57<victor_uva>yes, it also occurs with openoffice, and that was surprising to me because the original openoffice (the one which comes with the default installation) had a "correct" interface
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17:57<victor_uva>ok, problem solved: it was libreoffice-gtk, it wasn't installed! (I'm a bit stupid)
17:58<victor_uva>the thing was that aptitude wasn't able to install libreoffice, so I did it with apt-get
17:58<victor_uva>and apt-get installed everything called "libreoffice*" but libreoffice-gtk wasn't installed
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17:59<EmleyMoor>So, it looks more polite now? <g>
17:59<victor_uva>yes, now the window theme is the same for libreoffice and the other programs
17:59<victor_uva>thank you
18:00<jhutchins_lt>victor_uva: Why wasn't aptitude able to install it?
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18:04<troll>guys i tried to google it but did not find anything... someone know whats going wrong?
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18:05<sney>it's missing some shared library
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18:05<sney>install apt-file, run apt-file update, and use it to find the package you need
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18:08<troll>sney i found it i think
18:09<sney>you don't need to keep me informed
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18:09<troll>sney apt-file dont seems to have a install option...
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18:09<jhutchins_lt>troll: correct.
18:11<sney>troll use it to _find_ the package you need. obviously after you have found it, install it with whatever you normally use to install.
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18:12<victor_uva>jhutchins_lt: aptitude wasn't able to install it because it detected problems related to dependencies, it proposed me three possible solutions, and any of them included the installation of libreoffice
18:12<victor_uva>there was no solution that included the installation of libreoffice
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18:13<troll>sney i already did that... package is installed but its still not running
18:14<troll>sney here what i did... did i do something wrong?
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18:16<retrospectacus>troll: so, it worked. Repeat for the mixer file
18:16<troll>arf ye sry
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18:19<troll>sry guys worked... thought it was the same file sry sry sry sry
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18:22<retrospectacus>troll: apology accepted... this time :P
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18:23<troll>retrospectacus thx grant master :P
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18:34<retrospectacus>why can't I get wget recursive download to work? :(
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18:38<MrFrood>retrospectacus: would curl do what you want?
18:38<retrospectacus>MrFrood: probably. I just need to mirror a site
18:38<retrospectacus>but wget -r $url and wget -m $url just download index.html and that's it
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18:43<retrospectacus>curl doesn't seem to have any options for recursing
18:45<MrFrood>retrospectacus: "robots=off" in your .wgetrc
18:46<retrospectacus>I have no .wgetrc it seems
18:47<retrospectacus>will make one
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18:48<retrospectacus>aww snap
18:48<retrospectacus>MrFrood: :)^2
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19:09<nik_>hey guys, think anyone could take a look at my thread on and help me shed some light on my problem?
19:09<nik_>thanks :)
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19:13<cmr>nik_: It looks like it's trying to restore from a hibernate.
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19:13<LightSorrow>Coucou tu veux voir ma b*te ?
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19:14<nik_>does that explain why it boots up to a cli though?
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19:15<cmr>Not really. Can you run a SMART or other disk check to make sure the disk is good?
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19:16<nik_>how would I do that? wouldn't being able to use windows and access files on the ext2 partition mean it's good?
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19:17<cmr>smartctl -a /dev/sda, and probably.
19:17<cmr>Can you 'startx' or however it's done to start graphics?
19:17<nik_>haven't tried that
19:17<cmr>(You might start gdm or something)
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19:17<nik_>do you know what those errors mean?
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19:20<nik_>I'm gonna try that, brb
19:20<cmr>nik_: They are some sort of error while doing a disk read.
19:20<nik_>should I be able to access the files from windows or would that not matter?
19:20<cmr>Depends on how the disk is failing.
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19:21<nik_>alright I'll try smartctl
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19:30<redrain>Hi, I'm trying to install Virtualbox on Squeeze. I tryed both OSE and Oracle versions but neither of them worked. Installation success without errors. But when I try to start virtual system it gives an error. OSE version says: "Reload vboxdrv module", Oracle version says: "This module is not compatible with your kernel version". What could be the problem?
19:30<redrain>By the way I use amd64 kernel on 32 bit user environment...
19:30<redrain>babilen, Is there any news about nvidia backports?
19:31<cthuluh>why don't you try with a 32bit kernel first?
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19:32<redrain>cthuluh, I'm not sure if the problem is the kernel. If not I want to use amd64. I'm not sure about benefits but I didn't choose the kernel, installation did.
19:33<cthuluh>"This module is not compatible with your kernel version"
19:34<cthuluh>so please try an i386 kernel
19:34<cthuluh>if virtualbox supports amd64 then I guess you'd better use an amd64 debian flavor
19:36<redrain>cthuluh, Well there are lots of error same error messages (According to Google) and none of them says anything about the amd64 vs. 32 bit user environment. But I'll try it anyway. I wanted to ask first. As I said if there is another way around I want to use amd64. (My processor is i7 2600K)
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19:53<troll>and suddenly my sound is gone
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19:53<troll>tould you pulseaudio is PAI
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19:54<nevyn>not for me.
19:55<victor_uva>sometimes there are icon-themes (for example, in that, after being installed, doesn't substitute all the icons from the old icon-theme
19:55<troll>is there some update? pulseaudio seems buggy
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19:56<troll>ROFL pulseaudio just crashed!!!!
19:56<victor_uva>for example, windows have a mini-icon for the application on top left of the window; pidgin icon in faenza is a dialog bubble with a ; - ), but on top left I still see the parrot
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19:56<coagula>This feels like a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway.. can LVM be setup after OS installation?
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19:57<victor_uva>it occurs with a lot of programs; I've been able to find the location of some of these icons and I changed them manually, but it's almost impossible for me to find some others
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20:02<nik_>cmr: smartctl didn't work, I don't think I have smartmontools installed - and startx blanked the screen for a few seconds then displayed a fatal error that I had a missing module
20:02<nik_>trying to start gnome just gave me fpdma errors
20:03<cmr>nik_: Which module?
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20:03<cmr>Because dmesg says i915 loads.
20:03<nik_>f something
20:03<nik_>I'm sorry I forgot
20:03<nik_>it was like fbondc
20:03<nik_>or something
20:03<cmr>Ah, don't worry about fbcon
20:04<nik_>I don't know if that was it
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20:04<cmr>Can you run the smart tests from windows? Surely they have some sort of tool for that.
20:04<nik_>so I'm going to install smartmontools and try again, how can I get the .deb file to my ext2 partition? it seems I can't access the internet from debian for some reason..
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20:04<nik_>yeah good point
20:04<streuner__>cmr: sure
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20:05<streuner__>cmr: there are different apps. which support SMART
20:06<cmr>streuner__: This isn't a question for me, it was a thing for nik_ to try
20:06<streuner__>oh, ok
20:06<cmr>Sorry for confusion
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20:06<streuner>cmr: no need to say sorry, i just switched ...
20:07<nik_>hmm lots of errors
20:08<cmr>nik_: I'd backup asap and get a new disk then.
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20:08<nik_>I just bought this 8|
20:08<cmr>It happens.
20:08<cmr>If you just bought it, it's probably under warrantee.
20:09<nik_>would you mind looking at the log?
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20:11<rjsalts>Does anyone know how a process could lose track of its command but not its cmdline?
20:13<haylo_>can gdebi install propriatary graphics drivers? or is there more to it than that? i can install it manually if need be, but i would like to get to the bottom of this b4 i reinstall
20:13<cmr>nik_: Run a test, smartctl -t short /dev/sda
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20:14<streuner>nik_: that might help, smartmontools doesnt tell you in an easy way HOW to interpret that
20:14<nik_>thank you
20:15<weasel>rjsalts: what does that mean?
20:15<cmr>nik_: It should only take a few minutes, you can use smartctl -a after the amount of time it tells you to see the results.
20:15<nik_>15 more seconds
20:16<rjsalts>weasel: in /proc/pid you have comm which is the command name without path and cmdline line which is the complete command line
20:16<nik_>it says it requires a device name as the final command-line argument
20:16<weasel>rjsalts: so?
20:17<meden>Hello, I'm trying to install Zend Server CE on Debian Sid, but I have an unmet dependency with libkrb53. libkrb53 is supposed to be a dummy package for libkrb5-3, but it is unistallable because a conflict with libkrb5-3 itself. It is a bug or I'm missing something? Anyone could help me to solve this problem?
20:17<rjsalts>weasel: there is a nagios test check_procs that has -C to check the command name and -a for the argument list
20:17<rjsalts>weasel: I'm looking for a process with a particular command name and sometimes even while the process is alive it's not showing up
20:17<cmr>nik_: Yes, /dev/sda at the end
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20:18<rjsalts>weasel: because /proc/pid/comm is getting fuggled somehow
20:18<nik_>it's the same thing as before?
20:20<weasel>rjsalts: and cmdline can be changed by the process
20:20<weasel>rjsalts: I wouldn't be surprised if the same applied to whatever is in stat or comm.
20:21<weasel>rjsalts: so the interesting question probably is, in what way does it get changed
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20:21<rjsalts>weasel: yes, I realise, but its a perl script with nothing in it that would do that
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20:22<rjsalts>weasel: I don't know, the process is no more and I didn't look at it before it was killed
20:22<weasel>next time, look?
20:22<rjsalts>sure, just wondering if anyone had any idea why an ordinary perl script could have that happen
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20:29<nik_>I guess I'll try to reinstall debian, AGAIN
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20:29<cmr>nik_: what are the results of the test?
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20:29<nik_>it looks the same as last time
20:29<nik_>did you want to see?
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20:30<bronaugh>anyone from the Debian GIS project here? wanting to know why you keep changing the libnetcdf* version (ie: now there's libnetcdf7 despite the library changes only being bug fixes and perf enhancements)
20:31<nik_>keeps telling me I need admin rights
20:31<nik_>even though it's an admin cmd
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20:31<cmr>You're using sudo?
20:31<cmr>Oh, well, no idea then.
20:32<sney>if you're doing hardware diagnostics, try with a standalone diagnostics livecd like
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20:32<sney>windows tends to mess things up and make them more confusing
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20:39<nik_>okay, here's the new one:
20:39<nik_>it says the drive passed though?
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20:40<cmr>You might want to try running a long test now.
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20:40<bronaugh>nik_: disk is dying.
20:41<bronaugh>also it's probably been dropped.
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20:41<nik_>I've never dropped it..
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20:41<bronaugh>see the G-Sense Error Rate field?
20:41<nik_>okay now I get to wait 139 minutes
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20:42<bronaugh>oh look, 400+ errors logged.
20:42<bronaugh>just copy your data off and hope nothing too important was affected.
20:43<nik_>so debian refuses to boot but windows is okay with it?
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20:43<cmr>Debian boots fine, it just doesn't run your dm
20:43<bronaugh>shrug. probably the bad sectors fall in some place that stores important crap for Debian.
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20:44<bronaugh>or it could be unrelated.
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20:46<nik_>well that's no fun
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20:46<cmr>Is it under warrantee? Disks are expensive because of that fllod.
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20:50<nik_>yeah it is
20:50<nik_>thank god
20:50<nik_>not sure if they will give me a new one though
20:50<nik_>windows works and it passes that test
20:50<nik_>do you think they will?
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20:51<cmr>Who's the manufacturer?
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20:52<sney>so the disk itself is probably hitachi
20:52<bronaugh>it's Toshiba.
20:52<bronaugh>in all probability they'll warranty it.
20:53<bronaugh>just show them the SMART spew.
20:53<bronaugh>their stupid utilities usually only report problems when something's actually on fire, literally.
20:53<bronaugh>they're just there to reduce warranty claim rates, I swear.
20:53<nik_>so then they might not?
20:53<sney>I had a dying drive a few months back, it was failing tests so I froze it for 24 hours to make sure I would have enough time to back everything up. after freezing, it passed the drive fitness test.
20:53<sney>they still replaced it.
20:54<bronaugh>nik_: it should fail the long test.
20:54<bronaugh>you can then report a buttload of errors logged + the long self-test failed.
20:54<bronaugh>so long as you get Indians with a clue, should work out OK.
20:54<bronaugh>(when I dealt with HP about a year ago, it took a while but I did eventually get them to listen)
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20:55<bronaugh>gotta get them off script, because the script just uses their dumb tools.
20:56<nik_>how long do you guys think I have
20:56<cmr>Before the disk craps itself completely?
20:56<cmr>I wouldn't trust it anymore.
20:56<bronaugh>well; if you did something like a secure erase on it, it might even be OK indefinitely.
20:56<bronaugh>but probably not.
20:57<bronaugh>my experience with creeping problems like that is that they take a few weeks to a month to really go to hell.
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20:57<nik_>alright well
20:57<nik_>I'm going to let this run
20:57<nik_>then I'll beback
20:57<bronaugh>hundreds of realloc'd sectors on a drive that small is a pretty bad sign, though.
20:57<nik_>thanks for the help guys
20:57<dharc>where is java7?
20:58<bronaugh>the good advice is: let the self test finish and/or fail.
20:58<bronaugh>then back up everything of value.
20:58<bronaugh>then you can relax a bit.
20:59<metaspike>dd is renowned for data destrution, can one reliably backup with it? dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb (assuming sda was the old drive and sdb the new one?)
20:59<metaspike>or is there something better
20:59<cmr>metaspike: clonezilla
20:59<bronaugh>well; you'll want conv=noerror in there.
20:59<funkyHat>What cmr said
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21:00<cmr>But for backups you'll probably want something a bit smarter than copying the entire partition, no?
21:00<metaspike>yeah! clonezilla is great! but for backing up with the running system? or is that simply, out of the question.
21:00<funkyHat>metaspike: what kind of backup are we talking about?
21:01<funkyHat>I use backuppc for regular (daily) incremental/full (hybrid) backups, but I'm only backing up data, not the whole system
21:01<dharc>where is java7?
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21:01<cmr>I use rdiff-backup
21:01<bronaugh>dharc: starbucks.
21:01<metaspike>bit for bit, I want to copy this system and all its content to another drive. a mirror
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21:01<MrFrood>dharc: ask orcical
21:01<metaspike>rdiff-backup ok ill look into thanks.
21:01<funkyHat>Then clonezilla is the way, you can't reliably do that while the system itself is running
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21:02<bronaugh>dharc: but in all seriousness, install package openjdk-7-jre
21:02<cmr>Mmhm, doing that while the system is running would be bad.
21:02<funkyHat>I did once use rsync to clone a running system onto a new drive, after creating the filesystem. It worked and I didn't find any problems, but I don't think it is a sensible thing to do ;)
21:02<metaspike>yeah, fair enough.
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21:04<funkyHat>I did it because I wanted to see what would happen, mostly ⡈)
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21:45<haylo_>thanks linux admins for helping the world not suck :) you guys rule !!
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22:05<nevyn>is it sysadmin apreciation day alreay?
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22:12<haylo_>yeah it is
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22:14<haylo_>haylo is very happy about linux and feeling fondly toward all contributers :) I hope to contribute someday myself!!
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22:14<cmr>haylo_: that wears off ;)
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22:15<haylo_>hehe- yeah i am noticing by peoples attitudes. i think ubuntu is partially responsible for that though
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22:16<Guest19745>trying to install cinellerra bombono-dvd and dvd-styler and have found dependancy hell. suggestions on getting these dependencies met
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22:17<cmr>Guest19745: Have you updated?
22:17<Guest19745>yes, I've updated
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22:30<Guest19745>cmr: yes
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22:36<sney->Guest19745: what debian version?
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22:38<Guest19745>sney-: 6.02
22:39<sney->Guest19745: can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
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22:44<Guest19745>sney-: just added to the previous paste -
22:45<sney->I don't see it
22:48<sney->Guest19745: I refreshed your previous paste and it is unchanged. try again.
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22:48<Guest19745>sney-: updating, just a sec
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22:51<Guest19745>sney-: try this -
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22:57<sney->Guest19745: the problem is likely because you're running stable but you have's testing branch selected
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22:57<sney->Guest19745: if you switch dmm back to stable your 'dependency hell' will go away
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22:59<Guest19745>sney-:what about upgrading to testing.... think I tried to do that a while back and the results seemed a bit screwy.... like maybe it only completed part way.
23:00<sney->testing is a very bumpy ride right now
23:00<sney->especially for gnome users
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23:01<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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---Logclosed Thu Dec 08 00:01:03 2011