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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-08

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00:20<mikel_>hello
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00:21<mikel_>hola a todos
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00:56<Guest19745>sney-: thanks much.... n looks like I'll be running stable for a while. Nice to have multimedi working again
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01:46<trevor>hey guys, i just installed debian 6.0.3 and i have no repositories. I am completely new to debian...how can I find repositories to add like the main stable repo etc.
01:46<jm_>!sources.list
01:46<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
01:48<sney->!squeeze sources.list
01:48<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
01:48<sney->oh there it is in the other factoid
01:48<sney->I'm good at reading tonight
01:49<trevor>lol
01:49<trevor>thanks for your help though
01:49<trevor>for whatever reason the only sources i had available were the cd images
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01:49<sney->yeah, if your network connection wasn't working or set up for whatever reason during the install, that's what you end up with
01:49<trevor>yeah
01:50<trevor>i just added the squeeze main and update repos, so we will see what happens
01:51<trevor>im trying to learn debian since i have been on redhate and derivatives since early 2000's
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01:57<EagleScreen>I prefer Debian than Redhat
01:58<cthuluh>good
01:59<kabars_edge>I work in a all RHEL shop, but all of my personal servers, and I have many of them, are Debian
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02:07<rjsalts>wishlist bug against src:pcre3 coming up
02:08<rjsalts>wrong channel
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02:26<troll>is there a fix for this pulseaudio bug?
02:27<kabars_edge>which pulseaudio bug?
02:27<troll>that when i play a game sound is crashing and sounds like shit after a view sec?
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02:28<troll>oh its alsa that fails
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02:29<troll>i cant even turn down volume anymore LOL :D
02:29<troll>so there is already a bug report or do i have to make one? -.-
02:30<kabars_edge>is it pulseaudio or is it alsa?
02:30<troll>im not sure
02:31<nevyn_>what game?
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02:31<troll>i think alsa
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02:32<EmleyMoor>troll: Which kernel are you using? What's your soundcard?
02:32<troll>2.6.32-5-686
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02:34<troll>i play urban terror and suddenly the sound is getting wiered
02:34<troll>same on redeclipse
02:34<EmleyMoor>OK, but what's your soundcard?
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02:39<EmleyMoor>I only ask because I had to go to a later kernel to gen mine properly supported
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02:49<coba>hello debhelper
02:49<coba>I want ask something for you
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02:49<coba>hai
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02:49<coba>hai
02:49<EmleyMoor>!ask
02:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:50<coba>I have a problem with my squuze;
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02:58<troll><EmleyMoor> i will start the games with terminal to get more light in it
03:00<EmleyMoor>The correct way to attract attention is with nickname:. <nickname> looks like you are quoting.
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03:55<vifo>Hey folks, don't know, whether this is the right channel, feel free to redirect me. I have some trouble using setfacl with SSH. I am not able to grant additional read permissions to users for a private key file with setfacl. setfacl is constantly changing the group permissions to readable for the file, so SSH breaks with "too open permissions". Any ideas?
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03:58<light>i downloaded a rar and only 1/3 of the pics are extracted. what do?
03:59<EmleyMoor>light: We need more information - how do you know only 1/3 were extracted?
03:59<light>because there's 60 or so in the rar and only 20 into the designated folder
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04:00<light>when i double click the ones that dont extract, it doesnt know what program to use
04:00<light>they are all jpgs, too, nothing fancy
04:00<EmleyMoor>How did you extract them?
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04:01<EmleyMoor>It sounds rather like an incomplete file to me...
04:01<light>like I always do. double click to open the rar, then hit the extract button
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04:03<light>no its not because i downloaded different copies of it from different sources of the same thing, because i thought that maybe one site or the other was the problem
04:03<EmleyMoor>light: Have you checked with anyone else if they are having any problems with the content of that file?
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04:06<light>hmm maybe i'll post something then
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04:09<benjr>which of the desktop enviroments on the install dvd is the lightest on resources: kde, lxde, or xfce?
04:10<EmleyMoor>Well, not kde
04:10<light>lxde is
04:10<benjr>im going to be running the most like a server, but im not anywheer near advanced enough to do it without a gui lol
04:10<benjr>light, thanks
04:10<light>np
04:11<light>you might wanna try xfce first tho
04:11<metaspike>light, open a terminal, and - unrar e "filename" see if that works. if it doesnt, try unrar-nonfree
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04:11<light>lxde may be harder to use
04:12<light>thank you metaspike
04:12<light>will try that
04:12<benjr>thats not too much of an issue, as long as i can fumble my way around iot, i onyl really need ot use the gui once to set the system up how i want it
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04:14<light>metaspike
04:15<metaspike>as for DE's you should try fluxbox, i like fluxbox. the lightest DE with a procedure on the install dvd is lxde, but it also includes twm as a fallback, which is light as a feather- but not very pretty!
04:15<light>i tried it and still the same ones extract :(
04:15<metaspike>rahter, not very "end-user friendly" :p
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04:16<benjr>metaspike, hmm, if i wanted to use fluxbox, which wasnt on the list ont he cd, how easy would it be to install bedian without a gui then add fluxbox?
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04:16<benjr>debian*
04:17<deansu>if you don't mind being in a terminal, then pretty easy
04:18<benjr>i can count the terminal command i know on my 2 hands, which includes nano and apt-get, will that suffice?
04:18<deansu>pretty sure thats all you need
04:18<light>nothing but a bunch of trickery this linux is, i tell you hwut.
04:20<metaspike>it's easy enough. this command will get a fluxbox enviroment running if all you have is terminal - sudo aptitude install fluxbox xdm xorg - you wont have any end user utilities for configuration though, so if you want to do that kind of thing just install lxde :p
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04:21<benjr>metaspike, can i also do apt-get SomeFluxboxApplication to get those end user utilities?
04:22<metaspike>flux box doens have any end user utilities >_<
04:22<metaspike>for configuring your system lol
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04:23<benjr>hmm, im a bit confused as to why fluxbox would get used over just a plain terminal in that case .. i think ill do some googling before i pick a DE
04:24<deansu>benjr: what are your reasonings for a lightweight desktop env?
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04:24<benjr>deansu, i want to make this box run like a fileserver, so i only need a gui just the once for setting things up because my terminal still alone arnt upto scratch
04:25<deansu>just use xfce, then stop the gui booting when you're done setting it up
04:25<deansu>(init level? I can't recall)
04:26<benjr>deansu, oh good idea, i like the sound of that
04:26<metaspike>rcconf, disable the graphical session manager when you dont need it good thinkin.
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04:28<opalepatrick_>how can I check to see if the 2.6.39 nvidia driver is in backports yet?
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04:33<benjr>if i want to join this debian computer onto a domain/network (not sure the term) with my other box, does it matter if have a user with the same name on both boxes?
04:33<opalepatrick_>ping babilen
04:33<deansu>benjr: can have the same username, best to give it a different hostname
04:34<opalepatrick_>I see an nvidia kernel on http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia - I am wondering if this is the version to go with 2.6.39 we were talking about
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04:36<jm_>opalepatrick_: those are not kernel modules; you'll need to build them
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04:38<opalepatrick_>thanks jm_ - I did build a kernel with babilen last week but we were expecting the package to be up on backports by now. I am getting issues with freeze ups and was hoping to discount it :-)
04:39<opalepatrick_>Am I looking in the right place?
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04:40<Heiserhorn>if i try to update gnome-desktop3-data apt wants to remove gnome. anyone with the same issue?
04:40<jm_>opalepatrick_: yeah unfortunatelly it's still not there
04:40<opalepatrick_>ah ok - thanks for that
04:40<babilen>opalepatrick_: They are not yet on backports
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04:58<benjr>what will happen if i change video cards at some stage after a gui has already been installed, will i get booted into a terminal and have to reconfigure things manually to get a gui again?
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04:59<jm_>benjr: if you have no xorg.conf and the new one is supported, it will work fine
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05:09<cargill>hi, I'm trying to install gitorious on my system, the guide (apart than urging me to install many things from source, when most are available in the testing repository now), suggests using bundle install
05:09<cargill>I guess that by doing this, I will have to manage a lot of things by hand, right? is there another way that integrates better than that?
05:10<pedroc>cannot install chromium extensions, missing popup. how can I enable it?
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05:13<pedroc>missing pop-up to confirm installation
05:13<rigved>cargill: if you are using debian testing, then the testing repository is the best choice.
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05:21<cargill>rigved: I know and use those, however gitorious is not packaged there, and the "bundle" relates to the gitorious step (the guide is here if you want a look http://gitorious.org/gitorious/pages/DebianSqueezeInstallation, look at step "Install Ruby gems")
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05:25<cargill>I want to keep as much of the system under dpkg and distro ruby control as possible
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05:28<troll>guys i wanna have the best linux! which one is the best? :P
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05:29<troll>nah im kidding... i have an other problem... redeclipse and some other programs dont let them minimize on fullscren (or tab out)
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06:04<xtick_>Привет всем. Подскажите как понизить версию Gnome. А именно обновился на некоторые пакеты из Weezy и теперь установильсь новые пакеты гном. А при попытке устоновить Gnome пишит о неразрешимых зависимостях(((
06:05<babilen>!ru
06:05<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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06:27<seb_>I'm using xubunte and I don't know how to make the screen settings permanent. Iv'e got the script to make the changes via arandr but I don't know where to put it. All tutorials I've seen were for different versions. Any ideas?
06:27<jm_>seb_: you need to ask in the ubuntu channel (/msg dpkg ubuntu)
06:28<seb_>kk
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06:35<alok>http://crictime.com/live-cricket-streaming.htm
06:35<alok>dsf
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06:42<xtick_>Whether probably to delete Gnome? That there would be only a terminal
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06:43<gnugr>xtick_:try scrotwm to see how is without gnome
06:44<deansu>xtick_: unless you really really need the disk space, best to just disable gdm3 or what ever desktop manager you're using from starting
06:45<babilen>!tell xtick_ about nodm
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06:47<Marko_FI2011>is kernel 2.6.31 available in lenny-backports?
06:47<gnugr>xtick_: check this, you might like it : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#Microsoft_Windows
06:47<jm_>judd kernels
06:47<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
06:48<jm_>Marko_FI2011: ^^^^^^
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06:48<babilen>Marko_FI2011: But you *really* should upgrade to squeeze now. Security support for lenny will be dropped in roughly two months.
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06:49<Marko_>i wonder, if 2.6.31 had been in lenny-backports and some mirror could still have it
06:50<jm_>don't think so
06:50<gnugr>Marko_: best is what babilen suggested
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06:51<Marko_>sorry, i missed the babilen's answer
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06:52<anbe>Marko_, no 2.6.31 in lenny-bpo, see http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/
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06:54<Marko_>there is linux-2.6 2.6.30-8~bpo50+2 listed in that uri, is that available somewhere?
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06:56<lo0p>is there a reason why kernel 3.x is not in squeeze-backports yet?
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06:58<gnugr>lo0p: then is testing for kernel up to 2.6.39-bpo
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07:00<anbe>Marko_, exactly on that URL - snapshot.debian.org has (nearly) every old package version
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07:01<Marko_>anbe: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free ?
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07:03<batouzo>what I need to install to have opengl in software mode?
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07:03<anbe>Marko_, no read the instructions on snapshot.debian.org (and /msg dpkg sdo)
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07:36<c3sso>hello
07:36<c3sso>could somebody answer me a packaging question?
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07:39<batouzo>hmm wtf
07:39<batouzo>I builded kernel.. with make-kpkg
07:40<batouzo>dpkg -i of the linux-headers...deb says it depends on libtinfo5 that is not installed
07:40*dpkg installs of the linux-headers...deb says it depends on libtinfo5 that is not installed into batouzo's head with a bone saw and a few screws
07:40<babilen>c3sso: It would help if you ask the question. Note that packaging support is typically provided in #debian-mentors
07:41<babilen>batouzo: "apt-get -f install" ?
07:41<batouzo>ok the problem is I guess that this headers .deb depend on libtinfo5 that is not availabl
07:41<batouzo>I executed the make-kpkg in chroot to use debian testing since I needed gcc >4.5
07:41<babilen>That is indeed the case
07:41<batouzo>but I want to install it in stable outside of chroot
07:41<batouzo>so how to do that...?
07:42<babilen>Do what exactly?
07:42<batouzo>build kernel with make-kpkg or alike using gcc >= 4.5 that is only in testing
07:42<c3sso>ahm its just... I try to build a package, and dh_install fails with a file not found in debian/tmp . I just want to know if there is a way to continue the package process, as fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage is starting from scratch, with cleaning everything and recompileng
07:43<batouzo>why changing the build environment into testing makes the builded .deb of kernel now depend on libtinfo5 .. how to avoid this?
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07:44<babilen>batouzo: Which kernel version are you compiling? Which version do you need?
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07:44<c3sso>so when I copied the missing files into debian/tmp, I just want to continue building the package, and not starting it all over again...
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07:44<batouzo>babilen: I need 3.1.4 kernel builded with gcc >= 4.5
07:44<batouzo>building it worked fine on the stable, but while building inside chroot of testing, resulting .deb wants that lib
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07:45<babilen>batouzo: Why do you build it in the chroot? IIRC the linux-image* packages in wheezy/sid build-depend on gcc-4.6, don't they?
07:45<babilen>batouzo: Are you sure that you need 3.1.4?
07:47<c3sso>I cannot find any switch for dpkg-buildpackage which would allow me to do so, should I just issue dh_install instead?
07:47<babilen>c3sso: You have to make sure that the file in question is build and at the expected location or remove it from debian/*install
07:47<batouzo>babilen: yeah Im sure I need 3.1.4 in testing. I build it chroot since there is no gcc-4.5 in stable
07:47<batouzo>erm
07:47<batouzo>babilen: yeah Im sure I need 3.1.4 in stable. I build it chroot since there is no gcc-4.5 in stable
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07:49<c3sso>hm yes.. but that does not seem to be so easy, as I am trying to build kde4libs, and I do not really have deep knowledge of the source neither the debian package process.
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07:49<babilen>batouzo: I'm intrigued: Why do you need that version? -- That being said: You can probably backport the sid pacakges built from linux-2.6 by adjusting the build-depends for gcc.
07:50<babilen>c3sso: I am also not familiar with KDE packaging, so #debian-kde or #mentors might be a more appropriate channel, but why are you recompiling that package?
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07:51<babilen>batouzo: Another approach would be to just build the kernel manually and base your configuration on Debian's.
07:51<babilen>batouzo: (from upstream that is)
07:52<c3sso>well actually to try something out.. I will follow your advice and ask there. thanks and bye
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07:56<babilen>batouzo: I mean that version has been released only a few weeks ago -- I really wonder which feature you actually do need. If you could tell us *why* you upgrade exactly we might be able to give better advice.
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07:57<xtick_>Than to recognize a PDF format? To translate a PDF in a text format
07:58<mosno>aww, no bash-completion for tmux/
07:58<mosno>?
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08:10<batouzo>babilen: building grsecurity kernel
08:11<batouzo>batouzo: grsecurity works (from new kernels) with 3.1.4
08:11<batouzo>and 2.32 is way too old to fully use my hardware
08:11<sret>wtf dude
08:11<sret>2.32 is old for hardware?
08:11<batouzo>yea
08:11<sret>what kinda hardware are you running there
08:12<batouzo>it supports amd bulldozer cpu fully?
08:12<sret>i dunno but i would tihnk so
08:12<sret>ive got an amd some shit running here which is a dual core
08:12<batouzo>that cpu was released a month ago
08:12<sret>that's still on 2.32 i believe
08:12<sret>i havent updated my debian box in a month or so ugh
08:12<batouzo>and is 8 core and contains new asm instructions
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08:13<sret>i sure hope it works out for you
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08:13<sret>cause 2.32 wasnt that old or was it
08:13<batouzo>sure 2.32 works on it
08:13<batouzo>but is it utilizing this cpu potential?
08:13<sret>no idea
08:13<batouzo>in either way, building on gcc 3.5 is needed
08:14<sret>ask babilen or retrospectacus
08:14<batouzo>since only gcc >=3.5 have complilers plugins suport that can result in code protected with constify
08:14<batouzo>so yea man, I know what I'm doing here
08:14<batouzo>:)
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08:39<batouzo>babilen: so do you have any idea how to make that deb work?
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08:41<batouzo>how to install deb even though dpkg things there are missing dependencies?
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08:47<devil>batouzo: apt-get -f install
08:48<devil>after dpkg stops
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08:49<batouzo>devil: no, it just REMOVEs it
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08:50<devil>batouzo: apt-get -f install removes the deb?
08:50<batouzo>devil: yes
08:50<batouzo>it asks to REMOVE it
08:51<devil>batouzo: then it probably has dependencies that debian cannot fulfill
08:51<batouzo>the package linux-headers that dpkg -i refused to install fully
08:51<batouzo>indeed
08:51<batouzo>that was my question above. how to force such installation - ignoring the unmeeted dep
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08:51<devil>umh, better not
08:52<batouzo>sigh
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08:52<batouzo>I know what Im doing and why, its my .deb
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08:52<batouzo>it just thinks it needs one lib, while it don't
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08:58<tosted><tosted> hi everybody.
08:58<tosted><tosted> i m trying to install my radeon hd 3200 on a kernel 3.1 at debian, but i cant compile the proprietary driver..
08:58<tosted><tosted> someone experimented install it with debianw
08:58<tosted><tosted> ?
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09:00<tosted>sorry about previous paste. i ve clicked 2 touchs on my touchpad. :P
09:01<babilen>!tell tosted -about fglrx dkms
09:03<babilen>tosted: Adjust the instructions to cater for your kernel (essentially just the header package → linux-headers-{amd64,686-pae,...} would do nicely (also install the corresponding kernel metapackage)) -- I would, however, also recommend to give the free Xorg drivers a shot (with libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware installed) as they perform pretty fine.
09:03<tosted>ok babilen , but my current kernel is 3.1...
09:03<tosted>ok
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09:03<babilen>tosted: We also have a specific channel for wheezy/sid support (#debian-next)
09:04<gnugr>babilen: is possible batouzo to install separate lib using dh_install?
09:04<tosted>babilen, i ll try it.
09:04<tosted>babilen, thanks for while!
09:04<babilen>tosted: You are welcome
09:05<tosted>babilen, have a nice freedom day! :D
09:05<babilen>freedom freedom freedom oy!
09:05<sret>what freedome day?
09:05<tosted>...
09:05<babilen>→ #debian-offtopic
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09:08<mosno>speaking of funky arrow glyphs, what tool to people use to do that?
09:09<mosno>ie. something easy to navigate/search
09:09<jp>what are you talking about?
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09:10<babilen>mosno: Read up on compose key (/msg dpkg compose)
09:10<mosno>finding and copying to clipboard/buffer an appropriate unicode char
09:10<mosno>ok, thanks babilen
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09:13<hoshi411>what package should i install if I want to run Java applications?
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09:14<hoshi411>and is there a debian package similar to ubuntu's restricted extras?
09:14<hoshi411>something that gives me lots of codecs etc...
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09:15<babilen>hoshi411: Start with openjdk-6-jre and take it from there (also see "/msg dpkg install java" and the Java wiki page on wiki.debian.org)
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09:21<hoshi411> babilen thanks
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09:32<hoshi411>anyone know where i can get lxde themes? gnomelook.org only has gtk themes
09:33<hoshi411>i have all the default themes installed that came with the desktop but they are all too light. i want a dark theme
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09:34<SynrG>i think openbox's config tool obconf has some sort of theme selection
09:34<SynrG>as for where to get those, see openbox.org i guess?
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09:35<SynrG>aside from providing a customized-for-lxde openbox theme themselves, i don't think lxde is in the themes business
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09:36<hoshi411>SynrG thanks. the open box configuration utility is for the wm only it seems
09:37<hoshi411>so basically only window borders
09:37<SynrG>and then there are gtk themes
09:37<SynrG>so, between the two, you control the entire look-and-feel
09:37<hoshi411>SyrG but will gtk thmes work with lxde?
09:38<hoshi411>maybe i should just install the testing version of lxappearance
09:38<SynrG>they will work with any gtk apps, of course. and that's predominantly what lxde itself uses
09:38<hoshi411>i think i remember that allowing me to change some colors
09:38<hoshi411>hmm ok. illl try the gtk themes then
09:38<hoshi411>thanks
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09:38<SynrG>oh yeah, i forgot about lxappearance (heh, i start it and it segfaults ... will have to look into that sometime)
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09:55<hoshi411>this is kind of off topic but , when doing searches with apt-cache search , is there a way to leave out all the results for lib files?
09:55<hoshi411>i just want to search plugins and gui apps
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10:02<nodiscc>hoshi411: try with apt-cache search what_you_want | egrep -v "^lib"
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10:11<vrkalak>how do I upgrade the kernel using +backports?
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10:15<scraze>if you mean squeeze-backports, then if you already have it in sources.list and ran apt-get update then apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 should work (replace amd64 with your arch); see apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 to get details beforehand
10:15<babilen>!tell vrkalak -about bdo kernel
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10:18<vrkalak>scraze, thanks, that's all I needed
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10:49<siga>hy
10:49<XeonBloomfield>Hello
10:50<XeonBloomfield>In general: Which graphics cards you recommend? AMD or NVIDIA?
10:50<siga>nak mna smua?
10:50<XeonBloomfield>Obviously for Linux ;)
10:50<siga>ahhh
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10:51<gnugr>vote nvidia
10:51<babilen>XeonBloomfield: intel?
10:51<nodiscc>XeonBloomfield: depends on what you're planning to do, low/high end card?
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10:52<XeonBloomfield>babilen: Something more... powerful... High end card...
10:52<nodiscc>XeonBloomfield: intel integrated graphics work flawlessly
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10:54<nodiscc>XeonBloomfield: i'd say nvidia, though i have experienced some problems with my 8600GT (tricky configuration, some overlay video freezes)
10:55<nodiscc>XeonBloomfield: gaming under wine worked pretty well with it
10:55<XeonBloomfield>I do not play games. It is necessary for me for powerful and stable work environment
10:56<zero_>is there any command to get the gateway of a network without route | grep?
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10:57<lo0p>zero_, traceroute ?
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10:58<zero_>does traceroute give the gateway address?
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10:59<lo0p>zero_, it could. what is it your actually trying to do?
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10:59<zero_>lo0p: im just trying to ping my gw but I'm pretending not to know the ip address to try to look for it
11:00<zero_>lo0p: and the reason im not using route is because the output is not very friendly
11:00<nodiscc>XeonBloomfield: what kind of graphics-intensive apps will you run?
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11:00<lo0p>zero_, well if you just do a traceroute to www.google.com you'll see the first ip it goes through is your gateway
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11:01<XeonBloomfield>nodiscc: Everyday work under code, graphic engines, 3D models, OpenCL
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11:01<zero_>lo0p: ohh true! thank you very much
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11:20<user>hi
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11:21<Guest19806>while booting the system there is some error like '/etc run 16' appears, it passes so fast that i am unable to read it correctly, how can i track this error?
11:22<sney->it should show in dmesg |less
11:22<Guest19806>sney-, leme check
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11:23<Guest19806>sney-, dmesg | grep error or dmesg | grep 16 or dmesg | grep run is not showing this error
11:24<Guest19806>sney-, this error appears just a second before of running X
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11:24<sney->oh, it'd be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log then
11:24<Guest19806>sney-, lemme check :)
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11:26<id10t>'lo all
11:26<Guest19806>sney-, {WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
11:26<Guest19806>sney-, what is that error?
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11:27<id10t>i'm setting up a new 4tb raid-5 array and i'm trying to use quotas. shoudl quotacheck take forever to run on this even though it is empty?
11:27<sney->Guest19806: that's just a key showing you what the different letters mean in the log
11:28<Guest19806>sney-, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep error is only showing this line
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11:29<id10t>Guest19806, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
11:29<sney->Guest19806: or just page through the whole thing with less. it's not very long.
11:29<Guest19806>id10t, hmm, one thing appeared, let me paste it here
11:30<Guest19806>(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
11:30<Guest19806>[ 23.727] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
11:30<Guest19806>[ 23.771] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)
11:30<Guest19806>[ 23.929] (EE) [drm] failed to open device
11:30<Guest19806>[ 24.022] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
11:30<Guest19806>thats all
11:30<sney->Guest19806: is there anything actually wrong with your system or is it operating normally as far as you can tell?
11:31<Guest19806>sney-, I did a lot of experimentation and my Enlightenment is not in unstable condition and I am not able to track these fast passing errors
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11:32<Guest19806>stable*
11:32<Guest19806>sney-, it is saying something about error in loading nv module, how can i disable this module to load?
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11:33<sney->that's just part of the autodetection process
11:34<Guest19806>sney-, looks like there is no way to track these error :(
11:34<sney->if you want to clear out those errors, make an xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d snippet to say which driver you want it to use. but those errors do not break anything
11:34<sney->for your run 16 thing I have no idea
11:34<sney->except that you could still look through your whole log and see if your grep missed anything. again. it
11:34<Guest19806>sney-, is there a way to record boot process?
11:34<sney->it's not very long.
11:34<sney->!bootlogd
11:34<dpkg>bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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11:35<Guest19806>sney-, thanks
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11:51<jhutchins_lt>sney-: There is a good bit of the boot monolog that never makes it to the bootlog.
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12:16<zero_>anyone know how to migrate the whole fs (/) to another hard disk?
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12:22<Quantum>Anyone know about scanner server?
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12:26<jaidormi1>hi, does anyone have va-api working with fglrx? vainfo gives me this : http://pastebin.com/BqCXBRm5
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12:28<scraze>zero: you can copy partitions / drives with dd when the filesystem isn't in use (so for instance use a live disk / installer iso)
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12:33<pepe>ciao
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12:35<blub2>what is the best place to start fixing "no sound" problem on Debian Testing AMD64?
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12:36<cahoot>open a terminal and run speaker-test -t wav -c2
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12:38<amphi>!alsa-checklist
12:38<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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12:41<Quantum>Nobody knows the scanner software.
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12:41<cahoot>saned?
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12:42<Quantum>Y, and clients.
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12:43<Quantum>I guess the server appears at a port, and clients access the scanner through that port. For some reason, xsane always chooses my built-in camera, rather than the scanner.
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12:43<cahoot>Quantum, can't say I do but as a general note it's probably better to put a real question about your problem
12:43<cahoot>doh
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12:46<blub2>cahoot: not working, user is in the audio group. I get the error can't open device
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12:48<cahoot>blub2, cat /proc/asound/cards - any listed?
12:50<blub2>cahoot: 29 [ThinkPadEC ]: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control
12:50<blub2> ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30, fw 6IHT41WW-1.16
12:50<blub2>cahoot: /etc/init.d/oss4-base restart
12:50<blub2>Stopping Open Sound System: done (OSS not loaded).
12:50<blub2>Starting Open Sound System: failed (No kernel modules detected).
12:51<cahoot>blub2, don't start meesing with oss atm
12:51<blub2>k
12:51<cahoot>messing
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12:51<cahoot>blub2, what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return?
12:52<blub2>/dev/dsp* does not exisist
12:53<cahoot> /dev/snd/* ?
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12:53<blub2>return nothing. return code =1
12:54<cahoot>blub2, the output from cat /asound/cards you pasted doesn't look lika any sundcard I've seen
12:55<cahoot>blub2, try modpron snd-hda-intel (and check /proc/asound/cards again)
12:55<cahoot>meh modprobe
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12:56<blub2>intel hd audio CX20585
12:56<blub2>meh not found
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12:57<cahoot>what does alsa force-reload return?
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12:59<blub2>http://pastebin.com/eay5gejQ
13:00<cahoot>looks fine - how about speaker-test?
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13:02<blub2>cahoot: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
13:02<blub2> device in use
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13:02<cahoot>blub2, what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return? should tell if it's in use and what uses it
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13:04<blub2>i killed the flash plugin and run the test it is running but without sound
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13:05<cahoot>blub2, run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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13:05<blub2>working !!! nice
13:06<cahoot>ok flash is the culprit - doesn't behave well wrt alsa
13:06<blub2>cahoot: it is working not thanks a lot. I don't get the point what was the problem?
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13:07<cahoot>seems the module wasn't loaded
13:07<cahoot>...since no alsa-'device' existed
13:08<cahoot>and later on your flashplugin occupied it
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13:11<blub2>cahoot: thx for supporting quick & cool
13:11<cahoot>np
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14:10<jaidormi>does anyone here have experience with va-api?
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15:38<jthomas>anyone able to help my split-file Exim4 to allow user+tag@domain.com email addresses? Debian 6
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15:45<jhutchins_lt>jthomas: You might check #exim on freenode.net
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15:45<jthomas>ok thanks, can do
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16:31<lo>in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#data-backup it states to backup things like get-selections and /var/lib/dpkg/ etc. is there any doc on how to restore a system using the files saved during this process?
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16:33<Black_Prince>dpkg: debian clone
16:33<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
16:35<lo>Black_Prince: thanks. is the dselect-upgrade option vital? would apt-get upgrade not just work?
16:35<Black_Prince>Hm ... Don't think so.
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16:37<scraze>apt-get upgrade won't install packages if an older version isn't installed, so it would only upgrade the packages you had on the one system (from man apt-get / upgrade : "under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed.")
16:38<babilen>!tell lo -about aptitude clone
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16:39<babilen>lo: That way you get a list of all manually installed packages, which I find desirable.
16:39<lo>babilen: yes that is good
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16:42<aboudreault>Hi, currently trying to setup my ssh key for alioth.... Does my key suppose to be instantly accepted?
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16:47<aboudreault>sorry, one hour delay, it's written in the page :)
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16:50<jhutchins_lt>aboudreault: Hey, at least you eventually read the page!
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16:51<aboudreault>yeah!
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19:28<kksa>اتلتال
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19:39<jaidormi1>onesquest
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19:40<fa1c0n>hi
19:40<sney>hi
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19:44<dmitry>hey does anyone know whichs erver Open Embedded is on?
19:44<retrospectacus>irc.freenode.net/#oe
19:45<dmitry>thanks
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20:28<sajuukkhar>anyone here use gtkmm?
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20:29<dvs>!anyone
20:29<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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20:30<sajuukkhar>!gtkmm
20:30<sajuukkhar>i dont get it sorry :|
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20:31<Arpuus>Ask the question about the package not if anyone is using, if they are they will answer
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20:32<sajuukkhar>maybe im stupid, or not seeing it, but I just asked that question :\ plz dont kick me, im not really an IRC user
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20:33<sney>sajuukkhar: are you having a problem with gtkmm? if so, tell the channel what the problem is.
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20:34<sajuukkhar>oh right, well im trying to do some example code to see if my gtkmm is installed properly using gtk2 code, and its not compiling because the header file 'gtkmm.h' doesn't exist (no file or directory)
20:35<sajuukkhar>http://developer.gnome.org/gtkmm-tutorial/2.24/sec-basics-simple-example.html.en example code is here
20:35<sney>you are most likely just missing a gtkmm-dev package
20:35<sajuukkhar>rightio
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20:36<sajuukkhar>I have the libgtkmm-2.4-dev package, does that count?
20:37<sney>apt-file search would tell you for sure
20:39<sajuukkhar>alright then I will do that :)
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20:42<sajuukkhar>alright it found it in my /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/gtkmm.h folder but my compiler can't, what gives?
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20:42<sajuukkhar>do i have to do #include </usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/gtkmm.h>
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20:44<bike>sajuukkhar, what does the c file say ?
20:44<bike>you could just give it the complete path
20:45<bike>done that many times
20:45<sajuukkhar>yeah thats what i did and it compiled but now it wants the complete path for everything in that .h file
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20:45<bike>oofh
20:45<sajuukkhar>as in it can't find buttons and stuff, do i have to individually do complete paths for them too?
20:45<anbe>-I/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4
20:45<sajuukkhar>in the compiler?
20:45<bike>yep
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20:48<bike>but shouldnt htat be -I/usr/include since it will look for the folder ?
20:48<sajuukkhar>i get errors if i include the folder or not still
20:49<sajuukkhar>except if i do -I /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 it gives me a whole bunch of errors relating to missing classes, i think
20:49<sajuukkhar>well other .h files
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20:51<sajuukkhar>however they are all there, albeit in another folder
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21:00<sajuukkhar>http://pastebin.com/bXhtjVYS here is the output of the command see if you can see something that could be wrong in case I missed something
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21:05<sajuukkhar>oh i foudn the solution yay so excited
21:05<sajuukkhar>g++ -o test main.cc `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtkmm-2.4`
21:05<sajuukkhar>I feel proud of myself :)
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21:09<cthuluh>sajuukkhar: try not to name your programs "test", as it may interfere with the test(1) utility ;)
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21:10<sajuukkhar>cthuluh, of course :)
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23:06<sigproc>leave
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23:07<wobel>hello amitz
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23:09<scinl>!beer wobel, wherever he is
23:09*dpkg pulls out a tasty Dogfishhead 90min IPA for wobel, wherever he is
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23:19<tensorpudding>he was only like two lines away from finishing
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23:23<motsword>debian is not easier to use than ubuntu
23:25<Hilarie>actually why I popped in here... how hard is the switch from ubuntu to debian?
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23:26<sney>depending on your system setup, comfort with unix-like OSes, and ability to read manuals, it can be anywhere from painless to kind of annoying
23:26<Hilarie>arch linux beat me, is it harder or easier?
23:27<sney>but for the most part, if you're doing a clean install of debian stable, and you don't have bleeding edge hardware, it's no big deal
23:27<Hilarie>cool beans
23:27<sney>I don't have direct experience with arch but from what people have told me I'd say easier
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23:31<motsword>I have never used arch linux
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23:44<Skipper>Greetings colleagues
23:44<Skipper>nesecito any documentation to install a RAS server
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23:54<sney>RAS = NAS? samba is well documented, as is nfs, depends on which you want to use
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23:56<Skipper>Servidor de acceso remoto con mgetty+pppd
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23:57<sney>!es
23:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
23:57<Skipper>Remote Access Server mgetty + pppd
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