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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-09

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01:22<hu>Ah
01:23<hu>Who can give me some sources ?
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01:24<boba>Sources for......
01:24<Godfather_with_The_ring_>software...
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01:25<Godfather_with_The_ring_>My source.list is poor...
01:26<Godfather_with_The_ring_>Maybe you can give a website with it.
01:26<Godfather_with_The_ring_>Will you?
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01:28<chealer>Godfather_with_The_ring: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list can
01:29<nevyn_>dmm
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02:16<rigved>hi everyone.
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02:18<rigved>By default, logcheck sends plain text email reports. I want the reports to be signed and encrypted. i tried midifying the code of /usr/sbin/logcheck but it is not working. I tried the same code in another shell script file and it worked properly. Can someone help me regarding this?
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02:25<hu>It's so terrible without a direction.
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02:26<troll>guys its time! how do i upgrade blender the smoothest?
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02:42<Heiserhorn>hey when I try to upgarde gnome-desktop3-data apt-get wants to remove gnome, anyone had the same problem?
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02:42<Bird>the testing Debian?
02:43<Heiserhorn>no sid
02:44<Bird>You do it?
02:44<Heiserhorn>do what?
02:45<jm_>rigved: with logcheck being a shell script you can add "set -x" in it and see what happens + it's not a good idea to modify stuff in /usr
02:45<Bird>remove gnome
02:45<Heiserhorn>no of course
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02:46<Bird>well
02:46<Heiserhorn>and then?
02:46<Heiserhorn>I will have no desktop
02:46<Bird>keep
02:47<Bird>The terminal is great......
02:48<Heiserhorn>yes I know but I work with image processing and I need a desktop
02:48<Heiserhorn>thanks anyway
02:48<jm_>read the topic to find out where to ask about testing/sid
02:49<Bird>Good luck
02:49<Bird>Believe that you will get it over
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02:50<Heiserhorn>jm_: ok thanks
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02:51<Bird>Once I met a problem that I couldn't login into the desktop
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02:51<Bird>but not the terminal
02:52<Bird>I reinstalled ......
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03:02<rigved>jm_: so, i should add "set -x" just before the gpg code?
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03:03<jm_>rigved: it's generally added as 2nd line so you see what's happening in the entire script, but if that's enough for you ...
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03:04<rigved>jm_: ok. thanks. will try that.
03:04<jm_>rigved: no worries
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03:19<ltrvs>Hi all! Just installed my first debian (squeeze armel, running NAS) \o/ One issue so far: ntp is not syncing with servers defined in /etc/ntp.conf... Any clues?
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03:20<Bird>google..
03:21<ltrvs>Bird: been there, done that, no luck or my google skills are limited :/
03:22<jm_>this page has useful clues http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/#prob
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03:24<ltrvs>jm_: thanks for the tip, I'll have a look
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03:25<Neo>hello
03:25<Neo>debhelper
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03:31<sakIz>I am trying to package an qt application for debian, is this the right place to ask about that or is there a more specific channel for it
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03:36<qinbo>hi all, how cant I get the uninstall package's Recommends filed ?
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03:53<troll>anything new about my driver?
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04:07<benjr>i know that sharing stuff between windows and linux you use samba, what do you use for sharing between just linux machines?
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04:10<linuxearth>hi
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04:10<linuxearth> /msg nickserv register bluesky12345 linuxisone@gmail.com
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04:11<lo>hi all. anyone know how to find out why deborphan thinks there's a package installed that has no parent dependency, when it's actually the parent itself?!
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04:13<jm_>troll: your driver?
04:13<jm_>benjr: nfs
04:13<troll>for my nvidia 560... should hit backports soon
04:14<benjr>jm_, thank you, gives me a point to google from now :)
04:15<jm_>the nvidia driver is now in new queue for backports
04:15<ltrvs>Whoa... I might have found the reason for my ntp problems: /etc/init.d/ntp checks the existance of /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp, so /etc/ntp.conf was ignored
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04:22<jm_>benjr: you can also use samba if you want
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04:23<benjr>jm_, i assumed samba was a microsoft thing reverse engineered for linux
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04:24<jm_>benjr: yes as a server, but there's also the client side so works both ways
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04:28<benjr>jm_, im wanting to make one of my debian boxes a file server, what would you recommend i use? ive never made a file server before so im unable to make an informed decision
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04:31<lo>benjr: samba
04:31<lo>also FreeNAS is supposed to be good. not sure if it's in the repos
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04:33<heikkila>lo, why would it be in the repos? Freenas is a distribution of its own.
04:33<lo>heikkila: because it's not just for freebsd anymore
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04:33<killer_>hi
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04:35<benjr>lo, its just a standard desktop box with 2 sata drives in it, no raid or anything fancy like that, im not sure id benefit from those high end tools
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04:36<lo>high end tools? wtf. debian with samba or freenas would suit it fine
04:36<heikkila>lo, Freenas is A bsd, not FOR bsd.
04:36<pravin>hi
04:36<lo>heikkila: target OS was changed to debian in the latest developement last i heard. maybe things have changed
04:37<benjr>lo, i thought freenas was quite specialised, my mistake
04:37<pravin>i m debian user and having 2.6.28 kernel (RMI release) on my embedded device
04:37<lo>benjr: it's quite small and ideally suited for running off USB IIRC. what clients will be accessing this server?
04:38<benjr>lo, onyl my desktop
04:38<pravin>I want to enable GPIO but menuconfig doesnt show GPIO support
04:38<pravin>can sombody help me
04:38<lo>benjr: and your desktop is Linux? because there's always nfs etc.
04:39<lo>heikkila: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/06/152205/freenas-switching-from-freebsd-to-debian-linux
04:39<lo>though maybe that didn;t happen ? :-S
04:41<benjr>lo, yeah, you may have missed my inital messages, they're both running debian, jm_ made me aware of nfs, then i asked which he'd recommend, then you said samba
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04:41<jm_>benjr: NFS I guess
04:42<pravin>is any one there
04:42<lo>benjr: there are a few ways to remotely mount which if your client system is *nix then you probably want. most people use samba for convenience in Windows environments. plus it has other stuff in it like print serving and WINS etc that you probably dont' want.
04:43<benjr>no windows boxes here, no printer either
04:43<lo>benjr: then jm_'s suggestion sounds like the best one
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04:47<benjr>lo, do you think this guide is suitable for squeeze also? http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-an-nfs-server-and-client-on-debian-lenny
04:47<heikkila>lo, no, decision was reverted. Besides it probably would remain a distribution and not something you find in the Debian repos.
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04:54<lo>benjr: I;d look here also http://wiki.debian.org/NFS
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04:56<batouzo>how to have entire boot process logged somewhere extra, say to the /boot pratition file?
04:57<jm_>batouzo: what do you mean with "boot process"?
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05:06<pravin>hi
05:06<pravin>is there any one
05:07<jm_>no
05:07<pravin>:)
05:07<pravin>hi
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05:12<benjr>i just reinstalled ebian and itcked the box during the gui install wizard that said "file server", what has that actually done?
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05:12<benjr>debian and ticked*
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05:14<jm_>benjr: it installed packages for that task
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05:14<benjr>jm_, should i have been presented with any file server specific configuration wizard?
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05:16<batouzo>jm_: I want to write kernel messages to a file even before syslogd is executed. E.g. tell kernel to directly write into /boot/early.log or something
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05:18<kooll>batouzo: that sounds like a bad idea. why do you want that ?
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05:18<jm_>benjr: not really no, it just installs some extra packages (but you will be asked about those if they have any such options and if your config setting agrees) -- aptitude search '~tfile-server' to get a list
05:19<jm_>batouzo: debian does that in /var/log/dmesg
05:19<jm_>batouzo: then there's bootlogd
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05:19<batouzo>jm_: kooll kernel PANICs in first 1 second
05:19<batouzo>maybe serial line logging would be good here. hm.
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05:20<jm_>batouzo: in that case try serial console or perhaps netconsole, depending on when and where it happens
05:20<batouzo>I don't get it why there isnt option to write to a file
05:20<batouzo>that would be so simple
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05:23<jm_>because things are usually unreliable after a panic - there are things like crashdump etc.
05:24<Zaba>things no longer work after a panic
05:24<kooll>batouzo: because if it could reliably write to a file, it wouldn't be a panic :)
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05:26<Zaba>batouzo, writing to files requires a _lot_ of kernel subsystems to be perfectly functional - you wouldn't want to risk losing your data to the log-writing code, would you?
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05:26<Zaba>batouzo, note how linux always says, "not syncing", when it panics, exactly to mitigate any damage..
05:28<Zaba>batouzo, netconsole might be good for your situation
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05:33<dreamer>hmmm, quite regularly it occurs that there is a process on my system that keeps forking processes in X. in htop I can see '/usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7' using lots of cpu and wmforkplop shows an unusual amount of forks taking place. however I cannot figure out which proces this is and how to kill it. anyone any ideas?
05:33<dreamer>this is on sid btw
05:34<benjr>how do i change my full hostname? in /etc/hostname is just has "benjr" i want to change the one thats like "benjr.debian.com"
05:35<dreamer>ah, poking ps aux I found the proces, some bash-script that was started by playonlinux -_-
05:35<jm_>dreamer: look at PPID
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05:37<dreamer>jm_: what's ppid?
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05:38<dreamer>oh the process identifier you mean? yeah I killed it
05:38<dreamer>I just couldn't figure out which proces it was -_-
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05:42<benjr>ah i found it, its in /etc/hosts not /etc/hostname
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05:48<kix>dreamer: ppid is parent id
05:49<kix>if you have a process "A" and then it creates a new process "B", the pid of A is the ppid of B
05:49<kix>open a terminal and type "ps af" to see an example
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05:51<dreamer>yeah bu I closed the parent (playonlinux) a while ago
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08:36<nodiscc>hi all, is there a way to have configuration snippets for adduser, something like /etc/adduser.conf.d/tweak ? Without modifying /etc/adduser.conf
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09:19<riley>hey- what is the path to the gnome application "File Roller"?
09:20<petemc> /usr/bin/file-roller
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09:20<riley>thanks!
09:20<petemc>np!
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09:35<CookAnEgg>Salutations !
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10:31<macarena>olaaaa
10:31<macarena>medianaranja
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10:34<Hilario_96>mira tú, por deonde
10:35<vrkalak>!es
10:35<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:36<Hilario_96>sorry!
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10:44<macarena>ablar en español
10:45<vrkalak>tenemos ayuda en espanol en el canal #debian-es
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10:52<zero_>How do I know which process is listening to X port?
10:52<petemc>netstat -puant
10:52<petemc>as root
10:52<petemc>or lsof -i :22
10:52<zero_>petemc: thanks!
10:52<petemc>np
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10:53<abrotman>fuser -n tcp 22
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10:55<babilen>zero_: http://paste.debian.net/148731/ might come in handy too -- I successfully procrastinate from implementing it in Python and packaging it, but meh ...
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10:57<sret>debianart.org is down
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10:58<abrotman>sret: art.debian.org ?
10:58<sret>ye
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10:59<sret>temporary maintenance?
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11:00<sret>ook works now
11:00<sret>weird
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11:04<zero_>babilen: haha thank you, I'll keep it
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11:14<qdb>i have installed debian without desktop , only main utilities, with tatar keymap, but rhombs instead of letters. http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rxvt-unicode - seems just unicode fonts are not there because there is something like terminal for unicode fonts. what can i do?
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11:18<qdb>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support/ch-configure.en.html "There are Debian packages available to install the Kuhn's unicode fonts. FIXME: What are the names for them? "
11:19<sney>that's what apt-cache search is for! they're probably ttf-fontnamehere
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11:20<qdb>sney, ttf probably does not work while no desktop
11:20<sney>sorry, you said rxvt
11:20<qdb>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-customizing.en.html "The kbd and console-tools packages support this, edit /etc/kbd/config or /etc/console-tools/config files. "
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11:21<qdb>sney, ok. i just found it with google and do not know is it for me
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11:21<qdb>rxvt seems it need x server
11:22<sney>yeah, rxvt is like xterm etc, it's a terminal emulator for Xorg
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11:22<qdb>strangely only several (3-4) letters work
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11:24<qdb>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=46691
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11:27<sney>that fbterm thing seems like a workaround
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11:28<qdb>apt-cache search fonty-rg do not show anything. so i should download list of all packages. what command is for that?
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11:32<qdb>i think apt-get update
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11:35<Step84>.cc
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11:38<laurita>oLaa
11:38<laurita>=)
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11:39<confrey>hi everybody
11:39<sney>hi
11:41<confrey>I need help about how to create a packet with a payload for resetting a router's firmware... I found some guides about but for Win only, and I can't transport that on linux, I haven't enough know how
11:42<daemonkeeper>If you need help to execute malign attacks you shouldn't do it.
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11:44<confrey>it's not a malign attack, I have a modem-router-wifi-voip of Telecom (Italy), it's a Pirelli product, but its firmware is locked and customized by telecom; what I want to do is enable a hidden menu for enabling and changing some settings now locked
11:45<confrey>the injection of the packet with a payload do it, simply enables a hidden menu
11:46<daemonkeeper>What exactly do you need to send?
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11:46<confrey>for me it's not simply to explain, can I send you a pdf I create for ?
11:47<daemonkeeper>Well upload it somewhere?
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11:48<confrey>ok,pastebin, wait a few
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11:50<confrey>daemonkeeper, http://pastebin.com/SCgKNyeL
11:50<daemonkeeper>(Note, you are most likely off-topic here. Maybe you should be asking this question in ##networking on Freenode)
11:50<confrey>but it's in Italian
11:50<daemonkeeper>Sei fortunato. Parlo italiano.
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11:51<confrey>daemonkeeper, ma sei anche italiano?
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11:51<daemonkeeper>I am, but note, this is an English speaking channel. So let's continue that way.
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11:51<confrey>ok
11:52<confrey>of course
11:52<daemonkeeper>Your tutorial does not contain any technical information. It only instructs you to execute a given command.
11:52<rhpicomp>GOOD NIGHT
11:52<confrey>wait
11:53<daemonkeeper>It is entirely unclear what exactly that program is supposed to do. I guess it is sending some special crafted IP packets.
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11:53<confrey>daemonkeeper, I'll paste another more detailed
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11:55<qdb>i have selected sudo but now i think it bad for security and deleted it , before that set passwrd for root with sudo passwd. now i can press ctrl alt f2 and login as root. so what reason for having su command? i tried to delete su with apt-get purge su but there is no such command. how to know out package name where is command if i know command name
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11:56<qdb>fix : but there is no such package
11:56<sney>su exists so you can change users without logging in/logging out
11:56<confrey>daemonkeeper, excuse me, I'm searching the link
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11:57<qdb>sney, i have not logged out from dinar
11:57<daemonkeeper>confrey: While you do, let's move to ##networking.
11:57<qdb>i change dinar and root with ctrl+alt+f1/f2
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11:58<sney>qdb, what do you want to do?
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11:58<confrey>daemonkeeper, I'm there, but alone
11:58<daemonkeeper>confrey: On Freenode :)
11:58<confrey>ops
11:59<qdb>1. what reason to have su . 2. i wanted to remove su's package 3. if i know command name how to know out package where that utility was packaged
12:00<qdb>i have answer about su reason in freenode #debian
12:00<sney>please don't crosspost your questions
12:00<devil>qdb: dpkg -S su
12:00<sney>it's rude to us volunteers
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12:00<qdb>devil, thank you
12:01<sney>I think you have some funny ideas about security
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12:01<devil>qdb: that works for insalled packaes, otherwise use apt-file search
12:01<qdb>ok
12:02<qdb>thank you i did not know "apt-file" at all
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12:03<rhpicomp>ENLISH CHANNEL
12:04<devil>yes
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12:04<devil>and here is a G for you (its x-mas time)
12:04<paicero>buenas
12:04<rhpicomp>INDONESIAN HOW OR YOU..
12:05<devil>rhpicomp: WRONG CHANNEL :)
12:05<devil>rhpicomp: this is support, not chit chat
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12:07<rhpicomp>DEVIL: SUPPORT FOR DEBIAN ONLY
12:07<devil>stop shouting please
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12:13<ivan>#debian
12:13<ivan>привет
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12:23<qdb>devil, i have not found -S option in man dpkg, and i tried it, but it shows too many results, not just where is su file
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12:24<devil>qdb: i find -S in ~5 seconds in man dpkg
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12:25<devil>mostly you want one of the top lines
12:25<qdb>devil, btw i have forgotten ho to search in man and i do not know how to go directly to other mans, because there are soemthings like links to other mans
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12:26<retrospectacus>dpkg -S /bin/su is better
12:26<dpkg>Package: /bin/su is better: Status: install ok installed
12:26<retrospectacus>excellent
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12:27<qdb>it says login: bin/su
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12:27<retrospectacus>that means /bin/su was installed by the "login" package - however you should definitely *not* remove that if that's what you're thinking
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12:30<jhutchins_lt>There may be system processes that use su internally.
12:31<retrospectacus>also regard ''dpkg -L login'' to see what other files are provided by "login" - you won't be happy if those are gone
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12:32<retrospectacus>and apt would probably want to remove 90% of the rest of the system that depends on login.... just don't try it -.-
12:32<qdb>ok thank you for command i used nano var lib dpkg info login.list ...
12:34<qdb>probably any physical users can press ctrl alt f2 and programs can use /dev/tty... is it that ? and i am not going to disallow login as root, su do not make much insecurity. you talked soemthing about deleting dev tty -s ?
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12:35<qdb>"you talked soemthing about deleting dev tty -s ?" - no it is in freenode
12:35*retrospectacus backs away slowly
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12:39<qdb>that is about etc security access conf there are tty configs
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12:46<Qazjap11>Hello, I've installed Debian with 3 encrypted partitions (luks) with the same password. How can I type it only once, instead of 3 times when booting the system? Thanks!
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12:46<dreamer>aaaarrgg, ging crazy about terminator's default browser that I can't change anywhere -_-
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12:49<pkout>msg jrollins Hey Jamie, are you here?
12:49*sney- hands pkout a spare /
12:49<pkout>Sorry :)
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13:14<humptydumpty>hi
13:15<humptydumpty>how can i check that whether my cpu is 32bit or 64bit?
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13:15<daemonkeeper> cat /proc/cpuinfo.
13:15<sney->humptydumpty: cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you everything your system knows about your cpu
13:15<daemonkeeper>64 bit CPUs have the "lm" (long mode) flag
13:16<humptydumpty>sney, lemme check
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13:16<humptydumpty>sney, by the way i am the same guest<some_number> who chatted with you yesterday :)
13:17<sney->which one?
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13:18<humptydumpty>sney, who was asking question about errors at boot like 'run 16 error'
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13:18<supaman>http://www.unixtutorial.org/2009/05/how-to-confirm-if-your-cpu-is-32bit-or-64bit/
13:19<humptydumpty>sney, in /proc/cpuinfo which variable i should look for?
13:20<sney->humptydumpty: daemonkeeper told you; the 'lm' flag. 'sse3' also usually implies 64-bit
13:20<sney->or you can google the model number
13:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 508] by debhelper
13:21<humptydumpty>daemonkeeper, sorry, missed your message
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13:22<humptydumpty>sney, it has 'lm' and ssse3
13:23<sney->then it is 64-bit! hooray
13:23<humptydumpty>sney, yahooo :)
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13:23<daemonkeeper>Always a pleasure to serve.
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13:24<daemonkeeper>Isn't it, sney-? ;)
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13:31<tanusik>))
13:31<tanusik>)))))))
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13:35<qdb>i have connected adsl ethernet cabel to debian without gui, login as root there, and pppoeconf says no such command. what should i do?
13:36<retrospectacus>!installit
13:36<dpkg>Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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13:59<XeonBloomfield>Hello
13:59<XeonBloomfield>How to force to run script "/opt/example.sh" after any operation on packages by for example "apt-get" or "dpkg" ?
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14:01<XeonBloomfield>Where I can define "DPkg::Post-Install"?
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14:06<XeonBloomfield>Where can I define "DPkg::Post-Invoke"?
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14:24<ashton>hey, anyone know where someone can get some help installing packages?
14:24<retrospectacus>!ask
14:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:25<ashton>...?? O_o
14:25<ashton>ok well, when i try to install a theme i downloaded
14:25<ashton>i try to unzip it
14:25<ashton>it works
14:25<ashton>but when i type ./configure
14:25<retrospectacus>a theme for what?
14:25<ashton>a theme for ubuntu 11.10
14:26<retrospectacus>!ubuntu
14:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:26<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc ashton
14:26<dpkg>ashton: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
14:26<ashton>anyhow, it says that file not found
14:26<ashton>ouu.. sorry...
14:26<ashton>*uninstalls this crappy excuse for an OS*
14:26<retrospectacus>ashton: if you mean a theme for gnome, you are supposed to use the Appearance setting thing and load the zip file.
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14:40<ballison>why does restarting network (/etc/init.d/network restart) NOT cause the /etc/network/interfaces file to be applied ?
14:41<ballison>on redhat restarting networking causes the config files to be re-read and applied
14:41<ballison>on debian it does nothing.
14:42<retrospectacus>that's /etc/init.d/networking and it should. What version of Debian?
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14:42<iman>I am trying to change user password in terminal but I get strange message, it says Current Kerberos password: what is this password ?
14:42<ballison>on debian you have to ifup eth0:1 and ifdown eth0:1 to make it do anything. shouldn't /etc/init.d/network restart do that for you?
14:43<ballison>retro: I've never seen /etc/init.d/network restart re-read the /etc/network/interfaces file on any version of debian
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14:43<ballison>only way it reads is when you ifup/ifdown it on debian.
14:43<retrospectacus>read /etc/init.d/networking - it just calls ifup -a
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14:44<ballison>retro: so why does it ignore everything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
14:45<retrospectacus>I'm saying it doesn't. If that file is broken, maybe it will not appear to work.
14:46<retrospectacus>if it's not working for you, let's try for a solution shall we?
14:47<ballison>files not broken, because when i manually run ifup eth0:1 it works.
14:47<retrospectacus>do you have auto eth0:1 ?
14:47<retrospectacus>if not then no, service networking start won't ifup eth0:1
14:50<ballison>auto lo eth0
14:50<retrospectacus>right, that's what networking will start automatically
14:50<ballison>i need "auto lo eth0 eth0:1 and eth0:0" to make it work?
14:50<retrospectacus>if that's what you want, yes
14:51<retrospectacus>without "and" of course..
14:51<ballison>:)
14:52<ballison>no and
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15:01<aboudreault>Hi!! I'm about to create a new LXC container for my debian/ubuntu packages. Is Cowbuilder/Pbuilder still the way to go for packages building? (multi debian/ubuntu release) etc.
15:03<daemonkeeper>Yes
15:03<daemonkeeper>Well, not pbuilder specially, but a minimal build-chroot is the way to go.
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15:23<germanxn>hi
15:23<germanxn>im trying to install cvim
15:23<germanxn>on readme says that i have to copy some file on $home/.vim
15:23<germanxn>but thats a file
15:23<germanxn>im totally new on linux
15:23<germanxn>can some one help me?
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15:30<aracon>germanxn: if you open a console and type "file ~/.vim" what does it say?
15:33<germanxn>/home/german/.vim: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract
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15:35<aracon>germanxn: well you have copied a zip to .vim
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15:35<aracon>in this zip is you vim config?
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15:36<germanxn>i dont know :-(
15:36<germanxn>i havent copied anything i think
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15:37<aracon>you could have a look unside the zip with "unzip -l ~/.vim"
15:38<aracon>i think it's the cvim stuff
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15:41<germanxn>http://paste.debian.net/148750/
15:41<aracon>yes it is
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15:41<germanxn>vim acces that zip file to get his configuration??
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15:41<aracon>okay let's copy the zip somewhere else, create the .vim/ dir and extract the stuff
15:42<aracon>no it doesnt
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15:43<aracon>cd ~; mv .vim cvim.zip; mkdir .vim/ ; unzip -d .vim/ cvim.zip
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15:44<aracon>this will change dir to your home folder (cd ~), move the zip from .vim to cvim.zip and extract the stuff from cvim.zip to .vim/
15:44<aracon>you can just copy paste the command
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15:45<aracon>the ";" seperates the commands in order to execute them step by step
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15:55<germanxn>its work now!
15:55<germanxn>thanks you aracon!
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15:57<aracon>germanxn: you're welcome
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15:57<tchnkion>there is a file that won't delete, could someone please have a look here: http://paste.debian.net/148752/
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15:59<sney->tchnkion: look at the file name again, it's different
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15:59<sney->whatever fuse thing you're doing generated a new file
15:59<tchnkion>sney: fuse?
16:00<sney->usually fuse is used for read/write access to ntfs volumes, though it can be other things as well
16:00<sney->!fuse
16:00<dpkg>FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem#FUSE_Filesystem . http://apps.sf.net/mediawiki/fuse/?title=FAQ http://fuse.sf.net/ ##fuse on irc.freenode.net.
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16:04<tchnkion>sney: looking at it but can't make a connection as to why it won't delete the file
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16:04<tchnkion>*why the file can't be deleted
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16:10<tchnkion>sney?
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16:11<blast007>tchnkion: If you look close, the file *was* deleted.
16:12<blast007>specifically, look at the last letter of the filename
16:12<tchnkion>blast007: ok the file is deleted, why is the letter changing?
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16:13<retrospectacus>fuse is making a new one - it needs that file for some reason. Why are you deleting it?
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16:14<tchnkion>retrospectacus: trying to keep the drive organized
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16:14<blast007>tchnkion: http://osdir.com/ml/file-systems.fuse.devel/2005-12/msg00008.html
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16:16<tchnkion>blast: retrospectacus: solution - http://paste.debian.net/148754/
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16:24<den>ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ
16:24<den>ÅÓÔØ ËÔÏ ÒÕÓÓËÉÊ .
16:24<den>???
16:25<retrospectacus>Enlgish only, please :)
16:25<den>(
16:25<retrospectacus>English, that is
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16:25<retrospectacus>den: there are other channels for other languages. What is that, RU?
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16:26<den>rus
16:26<retrospectacus>!ru
16:26<dpkg>eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
16:27<retrospectacus>den, I think that channel is on the other server - irc.freenode.net
16:28<den>thanks bay
16:29<retrospectacus>you're welcome.
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16:45<paladin>Is there anything like Quanta for Debian 64?
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16:46<sney->quanta?
16:46<paladin>Web development tool
16:47<daemonkeeper>Oh, yeah, it's called vim on Linux.
16:47*retrospectacus giggles
16:47<sney->no trolling in the support channel, gents
16:47<paladin>Bluefish is OK, but Quanta is a lot better.
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16:48<sney->what about Geany? I'm not a developer but I've used it a couple times for bug hunting and it has good context highlighting and tabs and stuff
16:48<retrospectacus>pretty sure Quanta is available for Linux, although it's not packaged by Debian
16:49<paladin>Thanks, I'll look for it.
16:49<retrospectacus>geany is great :)
16:49<devil>quanta is supposed to be part of kdevelop in the future
16:49<devil>but unfortunately development is stalling a bit after being a gsoc-project
16:50<devil>paladin: ^
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17:16<germanxn>i have cvim, but i cant enable autocomplete
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17:17<germanxn>or any other feature other than syntaxis and header when i create a .c file
17:17<germanxn>can someone help me
17:17<germanxn>?
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17:49<robyg72>buonasera a tutti
17:50<robyg72>ho un problema nel montare una share di rete, è il posto giusto questo per chiedere un'informazione?
17:50<boba>!it
17:50<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:51<robyg72>ok grazie, scusate ma non sono molto pratico. Grazie!
17:51<coagula>itunes isnt exactly the bomb on windows either
17:51<kristianpaul>:)
17:52<coagula>woops wrong channel
17:52<jhutchins_lt>Quanta was KDE3, afik there weren't enough maintainers to port it to kde4.
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18:21<devil>jhutchins_lt: its being ported to KDE4
18:21<jhutchins_lt>devil: That'll be nice if it happens, it was one of the better tools available.
18:22<devil>jhutchins_lt: right, unfortunately it takes a lot of time. hope it does not fade away
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18:26<richardus>anyone familiar with sound in debian? i've got a (xen) vps and i noticed in the dmesg boot logs that the kernel found a PC speaker (?!?) and loads drivers for it. anyone know how to configure/block the speaker detection?
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18:28<jhutchins_lt>richardus: I would guess that that would be an option on the configuration of the VM.
18:29<jhutchins_lt>richardus: Figure out whatever the host machine is presenting as speaker hardware.
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18:31<shakes>mrning
18:31<shakes>morning
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18:34<jhutchins_lt>Still pretty early in Serbia, isn't it?
18:35<hds>Anyone speak Spanish?
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18:35<scraze>!sp
18:35<dpkg>methinks sp is troubled: you stats pimp!
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18:35<scraze>oh, right.
18:35<scraze>!es
18:35<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:46<Guest19943>jibel eres konsciente de la aberracion humana ke eres?
18:46<Guest19943>Daviey estoy desnudo y me llega el pollon al suelo
18:46<Guest19943>coruja te voy a partir el kuello con mis propias manos
18:46<Guest19943>Gathond eres el mas aberrado del irc
18:46<Guest19943>gsimmons eres judio y mongoliko
18:46<Guest19943>PIrr es cierto ke estas tan mazado ke te metes botellas de coca cola de 2 litros por el culo y cantas el la la la?
18:46<Guest19943>zz_andres no hagas ke tengamos ke ir a buskarte
18:46<Guest19943>vav vas a ser molido a palos
18:46<Guest19943>behanw te estoy poniendo kachondisimo
18:46<Guest19943>jurie kuentanos por ke te follan el culo 5 negros todos los dias
18:46<sney->!es
18:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:46<Guest19943>tomaw soy el puto amo
18:46<Guest19943>bones_was_here te voy a pisar la kabeza kon mis botas mientras grito sieg heil!
18:46<Guest19943>emonge eres un mierdecilla feo amorfo tonto virgen, suicidate
18:46<Guest19943>Astra a ver cuando kedamos para tomar kafe y despues te koso a puñaladas
18:46<Guest19943>piney0 hoy tus kuidadores te van a kagar encima para ke te komas su mierda
18:46<sney->!ops Guest19943
18:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney- complains about: Guest19943
18:46<Guest19943>Miguel0n baneame o te piso la kabeza
18:47<Guest19943>nicholi banea a zimme por pedofilo
18:47<Guest19943>edong23_ yo tengo orgias todos los dias kon 3 morenazas
18:47<Guest19943>dpkg si kieres entrar en mi banda tendras ke matar a 5 gitanos
18:47<dpkg>no idea, Guest19943
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18:47<Guest19943>stdhell eres un minusvalido facial
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19:09<washuu_de>ay caramba :((
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19:09<kristianpaul>hmmm?
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19:21<plugwash>where can I find documentation on symbols files?
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20:13<baul>squeeze wont mount usb external drive with ntfs fs (everyone else mountsit np)
20:14<baul>I even have ntfs partitions on hard drive that the same squeeze mounts
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20:15<scraze>baul: what error message does mount give?
20:15<baul>Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
20:15<baul>Error opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
20:15<baul>Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
20:15<baul>Please check '/dev/sdb1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions,
20:15<baul>and the mounting user ID. More explanation is provided at
20:15-!-baul was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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20:19<baul>oops
20:19<baul>banned for pasting
20:20<plugwash>no only kicked, bans only come if you do it persistently ;) anyway looking at what came through before you were kicked it looks like a permissions problem
20:20<plugwash>how are you trying to mount this drive?
20:20<plugwash>and in particular are you trying to do it as root or another user?
20:20<baul>first with the click
20:21<baul>i have multiple partitions
20:21<baul>other with ntfs
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20:21<baul>they all get the mount w/out prob
20:22<baul>jusrt this one that is usb
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20:22<baul>Its like the problem child
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20:24<baul>there are3 ntfs partitions
20:24<baul>only one is unmountable
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20:24<scraze>baul: as plugwash says it looks like a permission problem, but could you still post the error message to paste.debian.net ?
20:24<baul>they are all listed in the side pane
20:25<baul>how do you do the paste ?
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20:25<scraze>the easiest way for now is just to go to http://paste.debian.net , but easiest in the long term: apt-get install pastebinit , then you can use <mount-command> | pastebinit
20:26<baul>ok...no link on the xchat ?
20:26<scraze>how do you mean?
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20:27<baul>maybe the chat client would have a plugin er something
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20:28<baul>how about the first couple o words...I'll just type it
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20:28<scraze>hrm, I think a lot of IRC clients can execute commands and post the result, you could run the mount | pastebinit command that way, but otherwise you can just get the url from the resulting paste on paste.debian.net
20:29<baul>ok
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20:29<baul>I am using XChat
20:29<sney->you can /exec -o in xchat to run a command but a) it's not always the same as in your shell and b) debhelper will kick you from this channel for anything over 3 lines
20:30<baul>hmm
20:30<baul>It does say Permission denied
20:30<scraze>sney-: would the result of /exec also include stderr? otherwise pastebinit would just return an url
20:30<baul>can I just change the permissions ?
20:31<scraze>well, if you have superuser permissions you could surely mount it, so with su - or sudo
20:32<scraze>but I thought there were also convenient ways to enable mounts for normal users .. not sure though
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20:32<baul>In a regular desktop environment how do I apply sudo ?
20:33<baul>all the other partitions , including 2 other ntfs are mountable
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20:33<baul>so who gave them permission and when ?
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20:34<baul>permissions status are unavailable
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20:34<scraze>since I'm mostly in terminal I'm not sure what would be the appropriate DE way, I know you can run gtksudo <program> to get a dialog instead of a terminal password read
20:35<scraze>but you'd still need to run <program> manually, which in this case would be something like mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1
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20:36<baul>is this puting something in fstab ?
20:36<scraze>so indeed the other option is to find out why the difference exists.. are those harddisk ntfs partitions mounted by default / are they listed in /etc/fstab ?
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20:36<scraze>no, mount just mounts partitions so their filesystems can be used; mounted devices appear in /etc/mtab
20:36<baul>dont know about fstab but they are in the nautilus side panel...by default
20:37<baul>as well as the unmountable one
20:37<scraze>(and also in the output of mount when called without arguments)
20:38<baul>no /etc/mtab file
20:38<scraze>then it's back to the error message :p it seems like just after the last line before you got kicked was url or filepath where to find more information about this specific problem
20:39<Morgawr>question: this morning I tried to rebuil the debian kernel using a custom patch, everything worked perfectly using this guide http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html
20:39<baul>yes the url wraps up the message
20:39<Morgawr>however when I went to install the .deb kernel, it installed with a default name (only the kernel version)
20:39<Morgawr>how do I compile it so the .deb package installs a custom name for my own kernel patched?
20:39<Morgawr>I couldn't find it anywhere
20:40<Morgawr>the command I launched was "make KDEB_PKGVERSION=my-custom-name deb-pkg"
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20:40<Morgawr>the .deb package had the right custom name, however when I installed it it didn't show up with that name in the grub list (had to manually edit it)
20:41<baul>Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1 Error opening /dev/sdb1 Permission denied
20:41<baul>the essence of error message
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20:42<scraze>Morgawr: it's been a really long time since I last compiled but I believe I used something like make-kpkg kernel_image --revision foo-1.2.3
20:42<scraze>baul: seems like that url leads to a 404 n ow :(
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20:43<scraze>baul: chances are that that url explains exactly why there is a difference in permissions
20:43<Morgawr>so I just launch "make-kpgk" and as --revision I put the custom part? do I need fakeroot like I did for make KDEB_PKGVERSIONetcetc?
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20:43<scraze>Morgawr: I had the bad habit to compile as root back then :] not entirely sure
20:44<scraze>Morgawr: I think so though.
20:44<Morgawr>okay, thanks :) going to try it now
20:44<baul>Isnt that just a generic url that you refer to to help with the error message ?
20:45<baul>http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged
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20:46<scraze>baul: it's supposed to be like a faq, see http://web.archive.org/web/20090316131302/http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#useroption
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20:46<baul>yah it goes to a nadda page
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20:47<baul>that url is probably the intended
20:47<baul>i'll read it, thanks
20:47<scraze>:) let me know if you get stuck
20:48<baul>scraz: okie dokie...thanks
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20:48<angelica>me podriasn ayudar
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20:51<scraze>!es
20:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:58<scraze>baul: I completely forgot about one thing; to be able to mount media partitions a regular user should be in the group plugdev ('groups' shows which groups you're in, adding a user to a group can be done with sudo adduser <sudo> <group> ; user will need to log out & in before change takes effect)
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21:52<germanxn>some here uses vim with clang?
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21:52<germanxn>when i use "::" it display the list of options ok
21:53<germanxn>but when i try "." on a module struct, it displays "pattern not found"
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21:54<germanxn>i have been all the day trying to get it working
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22:03<edong23_>[17:47:02] <Guest19943> edong23_ yo tengo orgias todos los dias kon 3 morenazas <------------what?
22:03<bike>he wants to have an orgasm with you and 3 morons
22:04<bike>ops wrong chan
22:04<bike>for that language*
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22:16<edong23_>bike: you can translate?
22:16<edong23_>tell him "okay"
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22:20<bike>edong23_, just say si si , it will probably be fine
22:20<bike>just use google translate?
22:20<bike>sisi, arriba arriba
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22:20<edong23_>kik
22:20<edong23_>oops
22:20<edong23_>lol
22:21<edong23_>that was just a typo, not another language
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23:18<Smale>Hi
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23:19<Smale>I want to connect network with my wireless TP-LINK TL-WN322G ver2.0
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23:19<Smale>Who know how can I use it?
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23:22<Smale>Now I use ADSL/PPPOE to connect to the internet.
23:22<Smale>How can I change the configuration to use TP-LINK TL-WN322?
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23:25<metaspike>hi Smale
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23:26<metaspike>there are plenty of ways you can do this, i think gnome provides a method. otherwise you can use a program/daemon system called wicd which works great or you could manually configure wpa_supplicant yourself.
23:27-!-james is now known as Guest19965
23:27<Guest19965>+1 for wicd. I use it on Arch Linux
23:27<Guest19965>If you use wicd, make sure the daemon runs at boot, and that d-bus is running as well.
23:28<metaspike>yeah +1 wicd
23:28<Smale>I will try wicd and feedback asap:-)
23:28*Guest19965 does tech support out of boredom.
23:30<metaspike>kudos Guest19965
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23:30<Guest19965>I'm actually starting my own LFS build tomorrow, so after next week I shall be drained of all sanity.
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23:34<songandsilence>Wow... pretty quiet in here.
23:34<Smale>I installed wicd, and the 'starting network connection manager: wicd failed'
23:34<Smale>and I start it manually, also failed.
23:34<songandsilence>You need to start the daemon.
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23:34<Smale>How can I start the daemon
23:35<songandsilence>sudo /etc/rc.X/wicd start
23:35<songandsilence>replace X with the location of wicd
23:35<ei2jkj21>yup
23:35<songandsilence>to find it, use $ which wicd
23:37<Smale>the location of wicd is '/usr/sbin/wicd'
23:37<songandsilence>hm...
23:37<metaspike>:) suddo service wicd start
23:37<Smale>the the cmd will be sudo /etc/rc/usr/sbin/wicd start?
23:37<metaspike>sudo service wicd start - rather
23:38<songandsilence>listen to metaspike. I've been away from a sysV init for a while :P
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23:38<metaspike>and define boot with rcconf, dont disable anything else by mistake though. lol
23:38<metaspike>yeah, the service feature caught me by suprice, real handy
23:39<songandsilence>As I mentioned, I use Arch Linux, which has a BSD style init and a single config file for it.
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23:44<songandsilence>I'm used to sudo /etc/rc.d/$daemon start|stop|restart
23:45<sney>#debian is a support channel for Debian users, please keep other distro discussion / other offtopic chatter to the appropriate channels (such as #debian-offtopic)
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23:45<babilen>→ /etc/init.d/FOO start / service FOO start / ...
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23:47<songandsilence>sney: I was only trying to make it clear that I may have a few struggles with debian-specific commands from an absence of debian[-based] distros in my life.
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23:57<Nick-MAD>hi all
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23:58<Nick-MAD>does any body hear about kernel 3.2 in ubuntu, i am concerning full sandy bridge support
23:59<metaspike>!ubuntu
23:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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