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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-10

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01:26<magic>hi
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01:37<techno-geek>Can anyone please tell me the difference between the vanilla kernel, the debian squeeze default kernel, and the libre kernel?
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01:49<sney>techno-geek: no experience with the libre kernel, but the debian squeeze kernel includes the patch information detailed at http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.32-38
01:50<sney>'libre' sounds like a hard-and-fast removal of possibly non-free elements so it is probably similar to the Debian one
01:50<sney>debian's kernel is extremely modular though. if anything can be built as a module without endangering compatibility, it is.
01:50<sney>that way unneccessary device drivers are not loaded
01:51<techno-geek>sney: The libre kernel takes the standard kernel and strips all non-free portions out of it. It sound like squeeze does the exact same thing now
01:52<sney>yes, removing anything non-free is a standard part of the debian policy
01:52<sney>they're still made available in the non-free repositories, but you have to voluntarily look for them
01:53<techno-geek>And is that honestly the only reason why the FSF chooses to not accept it as a true GNU/Linux distro?
01:53<techno-geek>thats silly
01:53<sney>I'm not familiar with the FSF's motives other than they asked a sysadmin friend of mine to picket an apple store
01:53<sney>so I think they are probably at least partially insane
01:54<techno-geek>http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html
01:54<sney>I don't mess around with computer politics, I've just been a debian user since 2000
01:55<techno-geek>sney: Will I feel any pain coming from a bleeding edge distro such as Arch? The packages look quite old
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01:55<sney>techno-geek: if you have sufficient experience debugging arch, you would probably survive testing aka "wheezy"
01:55<sney>which is rather current
01:56<sney>well, so long as you're not a gnome user. gnome 3 in wheezy is currently not good
01:57<sney>stable is the release for production systems. it's intended so it can be deployed and not really looked at except in the case of security updates. it's good for people who want to use their computer without actively maintaining it.
01:57<techno-geek>I use awesome and slim
01:57<techno-geek>not a huge fan of bloat
01:58<sney>testing will eventually be released as the next stable, but until then it's a continually updated test platform of newer versions of software. it's geared towards bug hunting and finding combinations that work.
01:58<sney>I'm a testing user on my personal systems but anything I deploy for other people - e.g. servers - is stable.
01:58<techno-geek>that makes sense. testing sounds like a scary word, but its not that bad for a desktop box? I'd be using it for work
01:59<sney>as long as you don't mind occasionally opening the hood to fix things, you'll be fine. there's even a dedicated support channel - #debian-next
02:00<sney>coming from arch you'll just have to get used to apt and having sysvinit instead of BSD init
02:00<sney>there's copious documentation on both
02:01<techno-geek>I've used Ubuntu quite extensively in the past, before it sucked
02:01<sney>old people like me would argue there never was such a time, but okay.
02:02<sney>just a word of advice
02:02<sney>instead of using the testing installer, which is still kind of wonky, it's best if you install just the base stable system and then switch your sources to wheezy and upgrade
02:03<metaspike>indeed.
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02:03<techno-geek>so install squeeze and then dist-upgrade?
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02:04<sney>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
02:04<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
02:04<sney>that's what the robot says.
02:04<veram>hola!
02:04<techno-geek>sney: thanks for your assistance. I really appreciate it :)
02:05<sney>techno-geek: no problem!
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02:08<magic_>hi der .. is there someone where i can find information building open source hardware
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02:16<valdyn>magic_: what is "open source hardware" ?
02:23<jasonsmr>hello channel
02:23<jasonsmr>Im getting the following error when trying to execute a jar file
02:23<jasonsmr>invalid file (bad magic number): Exec format error
02:23<jasonsmr>and if I try with java -jar java_file.jar
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02:24<jasonsmr>it complains about not having the main class
02:24<valdyn>jasonsmr: so? is this a java support channel?
02:25<jasonsmr>oops never mind I installed openjdk-6-jre
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02:28<qdb>hello. i used this in ubuntu but dies nit work to share inet from ubuntu do debian minimal installation, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing though i replaced dhcp3 in manual that was for ubuntu to dhcp. ping ip works but ping domain does not
02:29<techno-geek>qdb: this isn't #ubuntu
02:29<qdb>techno-geek, do not troll :|
02:29<techno-geek>I am not. But I dont see how you can expect a debian chat room to support ubuntu issues
02:30<qdb>techno-geek, ip addresses work , i can set dns ips in debian, so i need to configure debian
02:31<sney>man 5 interfaces
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02:36<metaspike>techno-geek, it's a debian question, not an ubuntu issue (migration aside)
02:36<magic_>build simple node or drone for scientific
02:37<techno-geek>yeah I realize that now. I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. I am tired and the wording was a bit rough, though :)
02:37<metaspike>qdb, in debian I setup dhcp by installing dhcpd, then running - dhcpd eth0 -
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02:43<qdb>are you sure that prepend domain name .... in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf should not work ? does not this mean that dhcp installed in debian? does not it run already? i have installed dnsmasq in ubuntu but do not know whether it works. and inet worked without dnsmasq. i only need to set dns ips in client. i have read man 5 interfaces, there is not described how to write dns ips
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02:44<sney>qdb you can also just set specific hostnames to ips in /etc/hosts if that's all you need
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02:45<qdb>sney i want more, it is uncomfortable
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02:46<qdb>for me because i should know out ip on other comp, remember and write on another, there they can be several
02:47<qdb>but may be i can know out ip with dig in client comp
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02:48<qdb>i have answer how to set statically dns in freenode debian and will try
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02:52<techno-geek>is chromium really 100% GPL?
02:53<tash>techno-geek: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#chromium-browser
02:54<techno-geek>so its on the fence. I see it in debian main
02:54<techno-geek>but its not available in parabola
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02:55<anthonybarrett>gola
02:55<anthonybarrett>holaa
02:56<tash>!es
02:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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02:57<anthonybarrett> #debian-es
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03:01<chealer>techno-geek: no
03:02<qdb>solved by editing(creating) etc resolv conf
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03:03<techno-geek>chealer: no?
03:03<magic_>??
03:04<anthonybarrett>help i cant used my multi-caed ?
03:04<anthonybarrett>card
03:04<anthonybarrett>some one can help me
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03:09<chealer>techno-geek: Chromium is no completely licensed under the GPL, no.
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03:11<qdb>i have uncommented repos in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, apt-get install fonty-rg, but says "unable to locate package fonty-rg" . it looks like is in repo : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fonty-rg
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03:11<bhuvan>I am unable to get gnome 3 extensions thought sid has been updated to gnome 3.2. I still get the error saying gnome 3 is not up to date. I asked a question in debian-next but still didn't get any reply
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03:13<qdb>ah there are only update repos in sources list
03:14<qdb>si there easy way to set all default repos in sources list? and is there way to automatically find faster mirror like in synaptic?
03:15<techno-geek>chealer: why is it in wheezy main then?
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03:16<chealer>techno-geek: not all software in main in 100% GPL.
03:16<techno-geek>oh :/
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03:24<techno-geek>thanks again for all of your assistance tonight.
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05:14<darren>yo
05:14<darren>sup?
05:14<darren>cock
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05:38<metaspike>what's the fastest virtual machine
05:39<metaspike>most effecient
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05:41<devil>KVM
05:44<metaspike>thanks devil *installs qemu-kvm
05:44<devil>metaspike: there is also agui, if needed: aqemu
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05:51<metaspike>"your cpu does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM." - that's unfortunate.
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05:57<devil>to say the least...
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06:11<qdb>is not this http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fonty-rg in main repo ?
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06:30<jasonsmr>hello cannel
06:31<jasonsmr>question, in debian why isnt my self installed script registering with the system?
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06:31<jasonsmr>what I mean by that is isnt the directory automaticaly in the path = /usr/src
06:31<cthuluh>how would we know?
06:31<jasonsmr>I placed a script of mine in this directory and well its not being called up on calling its name
06:32<cthuluh>/usr/src isn't in the debian default PATH (and I hope it will stay so)
06:32<jasonsmr>well for instance when I type whereis my_script
06:32<cthuluh>try /usr/local/bin
06:32<cthuluh>or ~/bin, even
06:32<jasonsmr>it tells me where ist installed to (Properly)) /usr/src/my_script
06:33<jasonsmr>so that how ((I)) know that the sytem has it in ath
06:33<jasonsmr>path
06:33<cthuluh>echo "$PATH"
06:33<jasonsmr>yes sir your correct it is not* in the path
06:34<jasonsmr>sbin is not there ?
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06:34<cthuluh>not when being a simple user
06:34<jasonsmr>well I was caught asuming something that I didnt know, thankso for that now I know it :)
06:34<jasonsmr>strange that its not?
06:34<jasonsmr>bin and /usr/bin are though
06:35<weasel>you shouldn't place things in /bin or /usr/bin
06:35<weasel>these things belong to the packaging system
06:35<weasel>/usr/local/bin or ~/bin are your places
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06:44<XeonBloomfield>How to run script after "apt-get install" or "apt-get upgrade" automatically?
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06:50<qdb>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=46691 do not work to make tatar cyrillic letters in pure terminal, fonty-rg do not work, utf8 command of it do not work, fbterm needs to install framebuffer device.
06:51<qdb>why did not fbterm automatically install frame buffer ?
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06:59<qdb>tatar and other additional cyrilllic letters are not so complex as chinese signs why cannot they be installed ? do you know way?
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07:00<yhlfh>is there any setting of cache size when i use dimap of kmail.
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07:01<batouzo>anyone using netconsole (from the bootup)? it seems to have annoying bug - tries to load firmware files (not possible - no filesystem yet) and waits 60 seconds on each boot...
07:02<yhlfh>or can i set kmail dimap only sync the lastest 30 days email?
07:02<batouzo>where to edit bashrc globally (for every user)? commands added to /etc/bash.bashrc and as well /etc/profile.d/foo.sh seem to be NOT executed even on login..
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07:04<yhlfh>batouzo: what command did you add to bashrc
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07:05<metaspike>you could create a new startup entry under /etc/init.d/mycmd .
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07:06<valdyn>batouzo: why do you think those files are not run?
07:07<metaspike>i have an issue, im doing a big cleanup of my mess of a storage drive ext3 and I found a linux backup where i just copied everything to a directory.
07:07<batouzo>valdyn: im setting LS_COLORS="..." ; export LS_COLORS there but ls colors remain default until I run . /etc/profile
07:08<valdyn>batouzo: "there* is very unspecific
07:08<valdyn>batouzo: you realize that profile is only run for login shells?
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07:09<batouzo>valdyn: in virtual terminal I exit, then login again and still the old colors are used
07:10<yhlfh>batouzo: you should add to ~/.bashrc
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07:11<yhlfh>or /etc/bash.bashrc
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07:13<metaspike>dunno if it will help batouzo but here's the .bashrc im using for colored prompt: 4-203.peo │ and1bm
07:13<valdyn>batouzo: LS_COLORS are overwritten later on, I cant say where at the moment
07:14<metaspike>http://paste.debian.net/148788/ it's way over complicated but does the trick.
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07:15<metaspike>the problem im having is that this old linux installation, dumped to a folder on a ext3 parition is pointing at objects on my actual system, /dev /proc etc. how can i remove it safely?
07:16<valdyn>metaspike: rm does not follow symlinks by default
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07:24<metaspike>sweet
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07:26<valdyn>batouzo: "grep dircolors ~/.bashrc"
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07:28<batouzo>valdyn: oh right, thats the one.
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07:28<batouzo>valdyn: is there standard way to override this (execute global sh later), or must every user edit his ~/.bashrc
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07:29<valdyn>batouzo: why dont you just change the global dircolors configuration
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07:30<pmarc>guys, I am having issues with dpkg that I haven't seen before: http://paste.debian.net/148789/
07:30<pmarc>btw, I am running stable.
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07:30<valdyn>pmarc: your status file is broken
07:30<valdyn>!status
07:30<dpkg>Since Sat Dec 10 12:05:03 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 25m 46s this session, and currently reference 39508 factoids. I'm using about 18068 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.15/0.26 child 0/0
07:30<valdyn>!status file
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07:31<pmarc>tks valdyn
07:31<valdyn>pmarc: backups are in /var/backups/
07:31<valdyn>pmarc: or fix it with your $EDITOR
07:32<pmarc>Oh, nice.
07:32<batouzo>valdyn: I dont see any *dir in /etc
07:32<valdyn>batouzo: so create it?
07:32<batouzo>valdyn: hmm mandircolors doesnt tell me what file it loads...
07:33<valdyn>batouzo: it doesnt load a specific one
07:33<valdyn>batouzo: "grep dircolors ~/.bashrc" contains the info though
07:33<batouzo>well then I have to edit the dircolor command in every user's home directory?
07:33<weasel>eek. nice one.
07:34<batouzo>editing every user's bashrc is ok if there is not common other solution then
07:34<valdyn>batouzo: i meant it does not load a specific one by default, but it is or has to be specified on command line, so all you need is in the output of that grep command
07:35<batouzo>valdyn: by default it is only `eval dircolors` .. man says dircolors includes build-in precompiled default
07:36<valdyn>batouzo: yea, just noticed, I have an older .bashrc lieing around that shows something little different
07:38<pmarc>valdyn, thanks. issue solved.
07:39<valdyn>batouzo: as far as i can see the default will use built in values
07:40<valdyn>batouzo: so you wont get around editing everyones .bashrc or setting everyonse .dircolors
07:40<batouzo>for new users, where is their bashrc cloned from?
07:41<pmarc>/etc/bashrc
07:41<valdyn>pmarc: no
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07:41<pmarc>oops. /etc/skel/bashrc =]
07:42<valdyn>its /etc/skel/.bashrc for me
07:42<valdyn>maybe the dot is optional, i dont know
07:42<pmarc>I just forgot the dot.
07:42<pmarc>the location is the same here.
07:43<pmarc>same as yours, I meant
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07:46<bony>I have a gnome 3 query which i already asked in debian-next but still waiting for a reply. can any one in here help me with it? its regarding getting extensions working from the web site extensions.gnome.org
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08:02<batouzo>bony: if noone here, I would try gnome3 mailing lest for example
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08:05<bony>batouzo, ok get it.
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08:54<mibis>bom dia galera
08:56<mibis>uma duvida instalei o descktop xubuntu porem ele inverteu os botoes padrao minimizar fechar e tal para direita e ja tenho acostumado com eles na esquerda
08:56<mibis>alguem teria como posso resolver isso
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08:57<prahal_roam>there is no mean to create a dvd without debian-multimedia packages ? ie I do not want to replace pkg-multimedia packages and debian-multimedia packages replaces a lot of them
08:58<prahal_roam>fluendo does not provide encoding plugins :/
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09:16<hoshi411>this may be too broad a question not being directly debian package related but im running debian squeeze on my asus sl101 slider tablet armel architecture and the camera does not work so i would like to find out wht camera is there, the name of the hardware so i can do some troubleshooting
09:16<hoshi411>is there a way i can find the name of the camera, like even with the command line or an application that will do it.
09:17<hoshi411>i remember when i used ubuntu there was an application that could do it
09:18<hoshi411>i installed cheese but it ofcourse does not work
09:18<hoshi411>becausethe machine is too new
09:18<Nemoder_>hwinfo --camera
09:18<hoshi411>but maybe there is a chance if i update my kernel?
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09:18<hoshi411>Nemoder: yer awesome
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09:19<hoshi411>Nemoder; thanks but hwinfo does not work
09:20<hoshi411>not installed
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09:20<Nemoder_>install it!
09:20<hoshi411>maybe i should install it
09:20<hoshi411>aright
09:20<Nemoder_>need to run it as root user too I believe
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09:22<hoshi411>Nemoder: hmm installed and ran it but some text just flashes and the disapears and doesnt give me any info o_O
09:24<devil>hoshi411: does hwinfo on itself run?
09:25<hoshi411>devil: yes i just ran it
09:25<hoshi411>i got tons of text
09:25<hoshi411>looking now
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09:26<devil>hoshi411: maybe 'hwinfo | grep -i cam' will work
09:26<hoshi411>cool
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09:28<hoshi411>devil: yes that was great. looks like the device is called tegra_camera
09:29<devil>hoshi411: more important would be a pci-id
09:29<devil>sometzing like xxxx:yyyy
09:30<hoshi411>if it is a built in camera in a tablet will it have a pci-id
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09:30<devil>hoshi411: every device has one
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09:31<devil>hoshi411: lspci --nn | grep -i tegra
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09:34<hoshi411>devil: http://pastebin.com/H9FiTzaw
09:35<devil>lspci --nn | grep -i tegra will include the id
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09:36<hoshi411>devil: should be lspci -nn right?
09:36<hoshi411>not --nn
09:36<devil>right, -nn
09:38<hoshi411>i get thefollowing error pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
09:38<hoshi411>lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
09:38<hoshi411>that directory mihgt not even exist
09:38<devil>i dont know arm at all, cant help
09:38<hoshi411>checking
09:39<hoshi411>i see
09:39<hoshi411>welp thanks so far anyways
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09:40<hoshi411>yea that pci directory doesn:t exist
09:40<hoshi411>:)
09:40<hoshi411>but maybe ill search google for tegra_camera and something will come up
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09:41<devil>something will for sure
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09:46<hoshi411>uname -a doesnt give me enough info on my kernel
09:46<Zaba>why not?
09:46<hoshi411>i need to know which version of 2.36 i have so i knowwhich one to upgrade to
09:47<weasel>proc/version
09:47<hoshi411>right now i have like three options with apt-get linux-image
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09:47<hoshi411>four versions of 3.1 actually
09:47<qdb>i have set vesafb vga=0x317 and then runned fbterm as me then it says cannot has access to something, read man for security , runned it as root , it works, then again runned it as me now it says stdin is not a interactive tty!
09:47<weasel>also see http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=mirror/dsa-nagios.git;a=blob;f=dsa-nagios-checks/checks/dsa-check-running-kernel
09:48<hoshi411>weasel do you mean "uname -a proc/version"
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09:48<weasel>hoshi411: no.
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09:50<hoshi411>iop32x ixp4xx marvelkirkwood marvelorion and versatile
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09:51<hoshi411>five different versions of the 3.1 linux-image
09:51<weasel>so?
09:51<weasel>that's not different versions, that's flavours
09:51<hoshi411>but uname -a only tells me i have 2.36
09:52<hoshi411>i dont know which favor is right fo my device 0_o
09:52<weasel>paste the output of uname -a.
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09:52<hoshi411>weasel: Linux localhost 2.6.36.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 28 20:49:30 CST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux
09:52<weasel>ok, so it's not 2.36.
09:53<weasel>I would appreciate if you were more precise with your statements in the future.
09:53<hoshi411>oh right its 2.6.36
09:53<hoshi411>weasel youre right my bad
09:53<weasel>that's also most likely not a debian kernel.
09:53<hoshi411>im asking for your help after all its the least i can do right
09:53<hoshi411>sorry about that
09:54<qdb>found in fbterm man, vesa mode need root priv.
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09:54<weasel>I've asked this before, what does /proc/version say.
09:55<hoshi411>weasel ill check now
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09:56<hoshi411>weasel it tells me "permission denied"
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09:56<hoshi411>but i am running the command as root
09:56<weasel>it's not a command.
09:56<hoshi411>and the tablet is rooted
09:56<weasel>cat it.
09:56<hoshi411>its a shell?
09:56<hoshi411>ok
09:56<weasel>no, it's a file.
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09:57<hoshi411>weasel Linux version 2.6.36.3 (android@Mercury) (gcc version 4.4.3 (GCC) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 28 20:49:30 CST 2011
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09:57<weasel>doesn't look like a debian kernel.
09:57<hoshi411>weasel: i am chrooted into debian
09:57<weasel>so?
09:58<weasel>what is it you want anyway?
09:58<hoshi411>that may be my android kernel?
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09:58<weasel>of course
09:58<weasel>chroot doesn't change kernels
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09:58<hoshi411>i want to upgrade my loop image kernel
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09:59<hoshi411>i have five choices from apt-get
09:59<weasel>and you want to boot one of these then?
09:59<hoshi411>just want to know which one is best for my tablet
10:00<weasel>at a guess, none of them
10:00<weasel>you'll have to check if there are any docs on the net. or try it.
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10:22<clarence>If someone's computer doesn't have network boot, is netinstall still suitable to them?
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10:22<weasel>yes.
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10:22<weasel>netinstall still comes with most of d-i on the installer image
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10:23<weasel>if you have decent network, you might even want the netboot image. it fetches most of its stuff from the network, not just most packages but even most d-i components
10:23<clarence>what's d-i?
10:23<weasel>debian installer
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10:23<weasel>http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso has the netboot image as a CD image
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10:24<clarence>I had downloaded that
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10:24<weasel>ok, then what's the problem?
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10:25<Smale>Hi, I want to Enable these options in my kernel config:
10:25<Smale>CONFIG_ATH_COMMON=m
10:25<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_HW=m
10:25<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_COMMON=m
10:25<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_HTC=m
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10:26<Smale>how can I find out the correct config file and modify it?
10:26<weasel>your existing kernel probably has a /proc/config, or if it comes from a package, a /boot/config which you can use as a base
10:27<clarence>My problem is I need a manual to config to doing netinstall( config manual needed)
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10:27<weasel>the netboot image boots a debian installer not much different from any other debian installer
10:27<weasel>have you burned the .iso to CD?
10:27<clarence>not yet
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10:28<dioz>boot from a usb shtick
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10:28<weasel>dioz: he can't even figure out that he needs to burn a .iso to CD. and you want him to make a usb stick?
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10:28<dioz>i want a beer
10:28<clarence>my computer doesn't support usb boot....
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10:28<dioz>that sucks
10:28<dioz>suggest: getting a new computer
10:29<clarence>My IP is come from dhcp
10:29<dioz>same
10:30<dioz>114-36-229-200.dynamic.hinet.net it also tells you in your hostname it's dynamic
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10:30<weasel>(no it doesn't)
10:30<clarence>the point is how to doing netinstall when I'm DHCP user
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10:30<weasel>burn the image to CD
10:30<weasel>boot it
10:30<weasel>go from there
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10:31<dioz>what NIC do y ou have?
10:31<dioz>realtek?
10:31<dioz>nvidia?
10:31<dioz>something extremely generic?
10:31<Nataliia>Ola
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10:31<clarence>I check it, wait a minute
10:31<weasel>just boot the installer
10:31<weasel>*sigh*
10:32<dioz>his hostname does say that the ip pool he's dippin in
10:32<dioz>is dynamic BTW
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10:32<weasel>(doesn't mean it is)
10:32<dioz>114-36-229-200.dynamic.hinet.net
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10:32<clarence>Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller (192.168.1.102) that's mine
10:33<dioz>then you don't have anything to worry about
10:33<dioz>the firmware(s) for that NIC is already loaded
10:33<qdb>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-customizing.en.html "The kbd and console-tools packages support this, edit /etc/kbd/config or /etc/console-tools/config files. " i have edited /etc/kbd/config , how to apply it?
10:35<dioz>i'm gonna go out on a limb here
10:35<dioz>/etc/init.d/kbd restart
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10:39<qdb>i have tried to log out and log in , do not help. ... my problem is not fixed. i tried to write there console font = latCyrJr-16 , that name i have seen in dpkg -L fonty-rg, but may be it cannot be used?
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10:40<clarence>Does netinstall need to set dns server?
10:41<dioz>your dhcp server should provide you with that information
10:41<clarence>Should?
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10:42<dioz>odds are it does
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10:42<dioz>i'll place money on it
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10:45<dioz>WHAT THE HELL IS A DRAGON DROP?
10:46<dioz>sir i said just drag and drop the icon
10:46<TCW>dioz, hehe
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10:47<Smale>How can I use TL-WN422G v2? I have download the htc_9271.fw and copy it to /lib/firmware.
10:47<clarence>Myt broadband exact speed is 6.03MB/s how long would be take while using netinstall?
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10:48<dioz>what GUI are you gonna install?
10:48<dioz>if it's just shell
10:48<dioz>like 2 minutes
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10:48<dioz>also depends what packages you install
10:48<clarence>whole system( GUI fro using)
10:48<clarence>for using
10:49<dioz>i think kde is substantially bigger than gnome
10:49<Smale>And I have modified the config file under boot as :
10:49<Smale>CONFIG_ATH_COMMON=m
10:49<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_HW=m
10:49<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_COMMON=m
10:49<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_HTC=m
10:49-!-Smale was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
10:49<clarence>i prefer gnome, so I would install gnome
10:49<dioz>clarence: @ 6.0MB you'd hit around 700kB/s
10:49<dioz>so it would take you less than a hour
10:50<dioz>but that depends what packages you're all including
10:50<clarence>If I download from htttp/ftp 6.03MB/s is fastest speed
10:50<dioz>well you're laughing then
10:50<dioz>that would take minutes
10:51<dioz>6.03MB/s is intense dude
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10:51<dioz>where i live our highest is 10Mb/s
10:52<dioz>notice a B and a b are different
10:52<dioz>bit vs. byte
10:52<clarence>Mine is MB/s
10:52<dioz>crazy
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10:52<dioz>nice paste smales
10:53<dioz>nice topic reading skills and stuff
10:53<sney>relax dioz
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10:53<sney>this is a support channel, we don't troll the people looking for help even if they do try to paste something huge
10:53<Smale>How can I use TL-WN422G v2? I have download the htc_9271.fw and copy it to /lib/firmware.And I have modified the config file under boot as :
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10:53<Smale>CONFIG_ATH_COMMON=m
10:53<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_HW=m
10:53<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_COMMON=m
10:53<Smale>CONFIG_ATH9K_HTC=m
10:53<clarence>My broadband speed is 50Mb/10Mb( that's ISP provides me)
10:54<dioz>and then do it again
10:54<dioz>lol
10:54<sney>Smale: if you want to paste something, put it on http://paste.debian.net/
10:54<dioz>clarence: u lucky
10:54<sney>Smale: can you do 'lspci -nn |grep -i net' and show us the result?
10:54<clarence>I live in taiwan, fees are expansive
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10:55<dioz>i pay $30CDN a month for 5Mb/s
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10:56<Smale>the result is :05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
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10:56<Smale>after I submit :"lspci -nn |grep -i net"
10:56<MrFrood>#debian-offtopic if you want to discuss broadband fees
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10:57<Smale>sney
10:57<Smale>can you help me, I am a freshman of debian
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10:58<Smale>sney, I submited :"lspci -nn |grep -i net",the result is :
10:58<Smale>05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
10:59<sney>Smale: oh, is your wireless usb?
10:59<MrFrood>Smale: give people time to checkout what your h/w is
11:00<Smale>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:1006 Atheros Communications, Inc. TP-Link TL-WN422G v2 802.11g [Atheros AR9271]
11:00<Smale>the wireless usb is as above
11:00<sney>!ar9271
11:00<dpkg>ath9k_htc is a driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc
11:01<sney>Smale: you need an updated kernel from debian backports and you need to install the package firmware-atheros
11:03<sney>Smale: the driver is already included so you do not need to edit any config files
11:04<Smale>how can I get the updated kernel?
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11:05<sney>http://backports.debian.org/ has the instructions for enabling backports
11:06<sney>the kernel version is 2.6.39 so after enabling backports you would do 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-version-architecture'
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11:06<sney>if you run 'apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.39' you'll see the available options to you
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11:10<debuser123>hello, could somebody check the debian-6.0.3-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso and debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso? I had problems during install with initramfs-tools. Everything works with debian-6.0.3-amd64-businesscard.iso
11:11<debuser123>the way they were installed was via USB key
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11:13<sney>debuser123: if you experienced a bug with the installer you can file it yourself, but if all those attempts were with the same usb key then I would guess that the flash memory has problems above about 50MB
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11:14<debuser123>hm, yes, i would file it, but i didn't copy the errors ... The flash drive is 2 GB. initramfs-tools was the only thing that couldn't be installed
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11:17<debuser123>now i opened the iso and the initramfs-tools deb is there .. so there might be a compatibility problem indeed
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11:17<sney>if that installer was universally broken we would certainly have heard more than one complaint by know.
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11:18<sney>in fact I'm pretty sure I used the 6.0.3 netinst when I got my SSD a few weeks ago and initramfs-tools installed fine along with everything else
11:19<zero_>I was wondering if I could grab an specific version of a package, at the moment the package virtuoso is broken for armel but i can see that there was a successful build of an older version https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=virtuoso-opensource&ver=6.1.0%2Bdfsg2-2&arch=armel is there any way I can grab this file?
11:19<jhutchins_lt>debuser123: We are not getting inundated by reports of problems which suggests the problem is specific to your copies, not to the original images.
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11:20<debuser123>i checked the md5sum of the images and it's ok, it could be also something wrong with unetbootin
11:20<sney>it could definitely be that
11:21<sney>it's not recommended to use unetbootin with debian images
11:21<sney>zero_: http://snapshot.debian.org/
11:22<zero_>sney: thanks! =)
11:22<debuser123>so, other option is dd?
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11:22<sney>dd, cat, or for those stuck on windows there's an image writer
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11:23<debuser123>ok, cool, thanks for the tips
11:24<sney>np
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11:30<qdb>problem is solved. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/text-only-system-how-to-change-console-font-770688/
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11:35<xtick>Greetings to all
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11:52<nodiscc>How do I set compiz's fallback window manager to openbox instead of metacity?
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11:54<sney>you could do it by setting openbox as the x-window-manager alternative and then running compiz with --replace
11:54<sney>or the cube thing
11:54<sney>there might be a cleaner way but I don't know what it is
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12:27<tash>e 300 vs b800 what do you think?
12:28<tash>the b800 comes with a intel integrated, I guess that is the safe choice
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12:55<Dulce>ola kienes soys
12:55<ompaul>!es
12:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:56<Dulce>olaa
12:56<Dulce>esto es un chat
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13:16<ivan>всем привет
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13:30<sats>?
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13:31<pankaj>hi
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13:41<pankaj>hi
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13:44<fr4nky>does the new ubuntu need wine to play daoc?
13:45<fr4nky>hello?
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13:48<fr4nky>?
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13:49<xtick><fr4nky> Use a packet PlayonLinux
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13:51<xtick>Application supports set of programs and scripts for setting not supported by a packet Wine
13:51<ompaul>!ubuntuirc
13:51<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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13:52<nodiscc>sney, thanks i'll try this
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13:54<nodiscc>do we have a graphical frontend for hardware/device management in debian? Something like gnome-device-manager, but with modprobe/rmmod capabilities
13:57<nodiscc>I had to guide a friend through the installation of an E-MU soundcard. Installing firmwares was the easy part, because I had a script for that, but then I had to explain him how to disable the integrated sound card through /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
13:57<nodiscc>that was painful and he eventually didn't make it. So I was wondering if there's an interface for end users to do this
13:58<nodiscc>thx
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14:00<cahoot>might be marginally easier to give the other card a non-zero index to make it not-default
14:02<nodiscc>cahoot: indexes.. i knew there was something like this, where do i set them?
14:03<cahoot>I'd suggest a custom file put into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa<base?>
14:05<nodiscc>cahoot: so, if i want to disable my integrated intel soundcard, something in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-disable-intel.conf
14:06<nodiscc>options snd-hda-intel index=-2
14:06<cahoot>should do
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14:06<cahoot>and 0 for the 'defualt'
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14:07<nodiscc>ok, options snd-emu10k1 index=0
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14:07<nodiscc>and is there a way to apply the changes (changing default sound card) without rebooting?
14:07<cahoot>rigth - alsa force-reload to test
14:07<nodiscc>forece-reload ok, thanks cahoot
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14:12<nodiscc>script to make the E-MU 0404 PCI work, if anyone is interested: https://rxtx-linux.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/misc-scripts/install-alsa-firmware.sh
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14:13<Nik05>hello
14:14<Nik05>guys how is that filed called where all partions are listed that need to be mounted at startup?
14:14<nodiscc>/etc/fstab
14:14<Nik05>i had a partition that was fine all the time, but today only root can access it :S
14:14<Nik05>thx
14:15<Nik05>i cave hem ntfs defaults 0 0 is that correct?
14:15<Nik05>or is that the reason i can only access it with root?
14:16<nodiscc>thinking about fstab, can gnome-disk-utility edit it? e.g. set permanent mount points ?
14:16<nodiscc>Nik05: can you paste the full line ?
14:16<Nik05>well yes
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14:16<Nik05>UID=6038C0C238C09884 /mnt/datadisk ntfs defaults 0 0
14:17<nodiscc>you mean UUID, not UID, right?
14:17<Nik05>yes
14:17<Nik05>sorry ;)
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14:18<Nik05>where can i find UUID of partitions?
14:18<cahoot>blkid
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14:19<Nik05>thx :)
14:19<Nik05>well that is correct
14:19<Nik05>so does some know why /mnt/datadisk is rwx------?
14:19<nodiscc>your fstab line looks correct, maybe you have to be in the fuse group ?
14:19<nodiscc>i'm just guessing
14:19<cahoot>unmount/remount read dmesg
14:20<Nik05>well it worked fine a day ago :S
14:20<Nik05>didnt changed anything
14:20<cahoot>corrupt fs?
14:20<Nik05>no not again...
14:20<cahoot>again?
14:20<Nik05>this can mean breaking down Harddisk?
14:20<cahoot>smartctl
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14:21<Nik05>aptitude cant find smartctl
14:21<cahoot>smartmon-tools
14:21<RagBal>Is there somebody that can help me intalling open-vm-tools?
14:21<nodiscc>Nik05: do you dual boot windows on that machine? If so, windows sometimes marks NTFS partitions as "unclean", which has prevented me from mounting them on Debian several times
14:22<nodiscc>Nik05: smartmotools
14:22<Nik05>yes its a partition made by windows 7
14:22<nodiscc>Nik05: erf, i mean smartmontools
14:22<Nik05>:P
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14:23<nodiscc>Nik05: cahoot is right, unmount/remount the partition while looking at dmesg. You'll see errors if they happen
14:23<Nik05>what is dmesg?
14:24<cahoot>!dmesg
14:24<dpkg>dmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents.
14:24<Nik05>right :p
14:25<Nik05>i just umound /mnt/datadisk
14:25<Nik05>then dmesg
14:25<Nik05>[ 36.676059] EXT4-fs (sda5): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0 [ 692.736518] udevd[5008]: starting version 175
14:25<Nik05>nothing wrong then?
14:25<nodiscc>Nik05: you will see errors when you actually remount it
14:25<Nik05>oh ok
14:25<Nik05>how do i remount it...? :p
14:26<nodiscc>mount -a
14:26<cahoot>mount /mnt/datadisk
14:26<Nik05>$ mount /mnt/datadisk mount: only root can mount /dev/sda3 on /mnt/datadisk
14:26<Nik05>ho stupid :P
14:26<cahoot>su to root then
14:27<nodiscc>yes, or use sudo
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14:27<Nik05>no errors in dmesg
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14:28<nodiscc>Nik05: type mount | grep datadisk
14:28<Nik05>/dev/sda3 on /mnt/datadisk type ntfs (rw)
14:29<Nik05>when i unmount it says this: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 10 21:53 datadisk
14:29<TCW>why not ntfs-3g / fuse?
14:29<Nik05>i dont know
14:29<TCW>Nik05, what exaxtly do you want to do?
14:29<Nik05>after mounting: drwx------ 1 root root 4096 Dec 9 14:46 datadisk
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14:30<Nik05>well all users should be able to read write from it
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14:31<Nik05>oh maybe its an update that did this...
14:31<TCW>Nik05, dpkg -l ntfs-3g
14:31<Nik05>not installed
14:31<TCW>apt-get install ntfs-3g
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14:32<PREM>HINDI
14:32<Nik05>ntfsprogs was installed :S
14:32<TCW>Nik05, those two are for different things
14:33<Nik05>ntfsprogs broke ntfs-g3
14:33<PREM>ASTRA
14:33<TCW>both are a good idea to install if you handle ntfs partitions
14:33<Nik05>cant install both :S
14:33<TCW>Nik05, huh? What do you mean with that?
14:33<Nik05>ntfs-3g: Conflicts: ntfsprogs
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14:34<TCW>oops... taht did change *scratches head* I think :) Anyway, ntfs-3g is what you want to write on ntfs *safe*
14:34<Nik05>ok
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14:35<Nik05>looks like it works now, thanks guys :)
14:35<TCW>Nik05, mind pasting the fstab line again?
14:35<Nik05>UUID=6038C0C238C09884 /mnt/datadisk ntfs defaults 0 0
14:36<Nik05>well installing ntfs-3g and remove ntfsprogs solved the problem :)
14:36<TCW>interesting...
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14:36<TCW>I would have thought you'd need to change ntfs to ntfs-3g in that fstab line
14:37<Nik05>dont need to :P
14:37<TCW>Nik05, mount|grep -i data
14:37<Nik05>/dev/sda3 on /mnt/datadisk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
14:38<Nik05>huh it changed :S
14:38<TCW>fuseblk <- ok, fine then, that means "ntfs-3g" is used
14:38<TCW>Nik05, which mount.ntfs
14:38<Nik05>/sbin/
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14:38<Nik05>well thanks guys :)
14:39<TCW>ls -l `which mount.ntfs`
14:39<TCW>Nik05, please: ls -l `which mount.ntfs`
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14:40<Nik05>huh?
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14:40<Nik05>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Nov 15 01:00 /sbin/mount.ntfs -> mount.ntfs-3g
14:40<TCW>Nik05, copy and paste it in a terminal, run it, paste the output here
14:40<TCW>Nik05, ahh... that explains it :)
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14:41<Nik05>:)
14:41<TCW>Nik05, you know what that means?
14:41<Nik05>ln
14:41<TCW>aaand? :)
14:41<Nik05>ln -s?
14:41<Nik05>that ntfs is the same as ntfs-3g
14:41<TCW>Err... whatever... glad I could be of help :)
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14:42<TCW>Nik05, nope
14:42<Nik05>well
14:42<TCW>but... doesn't matter :)
14:42<Nik05>it points to ntfs-3g
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14:42<TCW>that sounds better :)
14:42<Nik05>;)
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15:27<sylar>I can't change layout suddenly - is there a way to debug it?
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15:31<ompaul>sylar: layout of your room car computer Desktop Environment or something else?
15:31<ompaul>!ask
15:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:31<sylar>ompaul: layout of keyboard - i.e. change language
15:32<ompaul>and what desktop, version of debian etc
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15:33<sylar>ompaul: squeeze gnome
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15:33<ompaul>sylar: I use kde so I'm no use
15:33<sylar>bummer
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15:35<ompaul>sylar: have a look here - it might be useful but as I said I don't do it http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/2.32/prefs-keyboard.html.en#prefs-keyboard-layouts
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15:56<victor_uva>hi, I'm trying to install a grooveshark application in debian stable, groovewalrus, but I'm not able to run the program because it needs wxgtk2.8 and I think that the package version in stable is old for this
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15:56<supaman>hi
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15:57<victor_uva>I haven't installed anything from testing or sid in my computer, I only have things from stable and backports
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15:57<victor_uva>do you think there will be problems of dependencies trying to backport it from sid?
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16:00<supaman>I am trying to download the octave mercurial archive by using hg (using debian testing here and just installed mercurial), but I just end up with an empty octave directory and after hg clone I get the following messages "cloning subrepo gnulib from git://git.sv.gnu.org/gnulib" and "abort: No such file or directory", what is going on?
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16:02<gnugr>supaman: for testing FAQ join #debian-next
16:02<supaman>so this is a FAQ? wow
16:02<supaman>didnt now that
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16:18<pamela>ciao
16:18<pamela>!list
16:18<dpkg>pamela: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
16:19<kix>!list
16:19<dpkg>kix: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
16:19<kix>:-)
16:19<gnugr>please do not play with bot
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16:21<victor_uva>I'm trying to backport a package from sid (python-wxgtk2.8), because the version in stable is old for my requirements and there's no backport; but I have problems; this is what I got in terminal: http://paste.debian.net/148834/
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16:22<gnugr>victor_uva: no package named wxgtk2.8 on debian packages
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16:24<victor_uva>no, it's python-wxgtk2.8, at least it appears in my stable installation when I search it in synaptic
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16:24<gnugr>victor_uva: not even that
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16:25<victor_uva>gnugr: oh, I thought there was a package, I was watching this page: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-wxgtk2.8
16:25<gnugr>judd, versions python-wxgtk2.8
16:25<judd>Package: python-wxgtk2.8 on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.7.1-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.8.7.1-1.1+lenny1; squeeze: 2.8.10.1-3+b1; wheezy: 2.8.12.1-3; sid: 2.8.12.1-5
16:25<victor_uva>the problem is that the version in stable is old for what I'm trying to do
16:26<victor_uva>I was trying to backport it from sid if it were possible and it didn't mess my system: http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-wxgtk2.8
16:26<gnugr>victor_uva: add backports in sources.list and you can get it
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16:27<victor_uva>the problem is that I didn't found a backport in squeeze-backports: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-wxgtk2.8&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
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16:28<victor_uva>that was the reason why I was trying to backport it from sid (from sid or from testing, I don't know which option is better)
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16:29<victor_uva>oh, wait, maybe the problem is that I don't have all the packages required to make a backport
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16:30<victor_uva>should I need anything more apart from build-essential and debhelper?
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16:30<ml|>victor_uva: /msg dpkg ssb
16:31<kla>Why is it with italians and the 'ciao, !list' thing!!
16:31<sl0ps>any word on .deb osx
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16:33<sl0ps>is there a bluetooth channel
16:33<victor_uva>well, I have installed build-essential an debhelper but I obtain the same result in the terminal
16:33<victor_uva>http://paste.debian.net/148838/
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16:34<victor_uva>I don't understand why I can't build the dependencies for python-wxgtk2.8 in sid, I searched the package on the web and it appears
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16:36<ml|>victor_uva: perhaps paste your sources.list
16:36<victor_uva>http://paste.debian.net/148839/
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16:37<victor_uva>ml|: I didn't receive your message about dpkg ssb before
16:37<tweber>victor_uva, you have the sources list from unstable, but the binaries from stable
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16:37<tweber>I mean deb-src points to sid, but deb to stable
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16:38<ml|>tweber: that is fine, he is trying to backport a package
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16:41<ml|>victor_uva: and you aptitude update first?
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16:42<victor_uva>I have deb pointed to stable because I use debian stable, but I particularly want to backport some packages from sid, so I put the deb-src for sid
16:42<victor_uva>and then I did aptitude update
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16:43<sney->,checkbackport python-wxgtk2.8
16:43<judd>Backporting package python-wxgtk2.8 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual.
16:44<victor_uva>I'm backporting in a amd64 system
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16:46<ml|>judd: checkbackport python-wxgtk2.8 --arch=amd64
16:46<judd>Backporting package python-wxgtk2.8 in sid→squeeze/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual.
16:46<victor_uva>maybe the problem appears in the packages that make backporting possible
16:47<victor_uva>I asked here about backporting in the past, and I remember that I needed build-essential and debhelper
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16:47<victor_uva>am I missing more packages?
16:47<victor_uva>(I did aptitude install build-essential debhelper before starting to backport)
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16:52<victor_uva>If I use aptitude build-dep python-wxgtk2.8 instead of apt-get I get this: http://paste.debian.net/148844/
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16:52<l0op>what is the 'debian preferred way' of restoring iptables rules between reboots? as a pre-up directive in the /etc/network/interfaces file or as a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/* ?
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16:55<jordanm>l0op: traditionally pre-up. if-up.d is a recent addition
16:55<jordanm>l0op: I actually can't find documentation to indicate if if-up.d is the equivelent of pre-up or post-up
16:56<l0op>jordanm: me neither. though in woody there was an init.d script but I guess the Debian folk figured this was not a sensible way to do it. Was menioned in NEWS.gz once upon a time.
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16:57<l0op>jordanm: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables mentions if-pre-up.d so I guess I'll rolll with that..
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16:58<jordanm>time to change your password?
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17:02<victor_uva>I tried to backport python-wxgtk2.8 from sid using aptitude build-dep and I wasn't able too, it installed me a lot of packages (more than 100MB) and after that I obtained again the same issue
17:03<jordanm>,checkbackuport python-wxgtk2.8
17:03<jordanm>,checkbackport python-wxgtk2.8
17:03<judd>Backporting package python-wxgtk2.8 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual.
17:03<jordanm>,provides python-wxgtk2.8
17:03<judd>Package python-wxgtk2.8 in squeeze/i386 provides: python2.5-wxgtk2.8, python2.6-wxgtk2.8.
17:03<jordanm>,checkbackport python2.6-wxgtk2.8
17:03<judd>No package named 'python2.6-wxgtk2.8' was found in sid/i386.
17:06<victor_uva>the package is not python2.6-wxgtk2.8, it is python-wxgtk2.8
17:06<victor_uva>it appears in the debian packages web, in stable, testing and sid
17:06<victor_uva>but it is impossible for me to backport it correctly
17:06<gnugr>victor_uva: which debian version are you using now?
17:06<victor_uva>debian squeeze
17:07<victor_uva>I shouldn't have dependency problems because I have only used squeeze and backports repositories until now
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17:07<victor_uva>so I don't know what else I can try
17:07<gnugr>victor_uva: the only way to get python-wxgtk2.8 is to have backports
17:07<daemonkeeper>wtf? http://paste.debian.net/148846/ Can anyone explain what happens here (e2fsck/resize2fs/dumpe2fs)? The filesystem magically shrinks again.
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17:08<victor_uva>gnugr: python-wxgtk2.8 is in stable branch, there is no backport in squeeze-backports
17:09<victor_uva>but the version in stable is 2.8.10.1, and I need 2.8.11, this is the reason why I'm trying to make a backport from sid
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17:09<victor_uva>but when I'm trying to do the backport, the terminal gives the problems I linked before
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17:10<gnugr>victor_uva: add " deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main " in sources.list
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17:12<victor_uva>gnugr: I already have this repository in sources.list and did aptitude update
17:12<victor_uva>I'll paste the steps I followed
17:12<victor_uva>1. My sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/148847/
17:12<gnugr>victor_uva: open your synaptic pacjage manager and install it
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17:13<victor_uva>2. I did "aptitude update"
17:13<gnugr>package***
17:13<gnugr>no
17:13<gnugr>hold on
17:13<victor_uva>ok, I'm now in my synaptic package manager
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17:14<gnugr>victor_uva: do " aptitude -t squeeze-backports install python-wxgtk2.8"
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17:14<victor_uva>well, I'll close the synaptic, otherwise I couldn't use the terminal
17:15<gnugr>ok
17:15<victor_uva>gnugr: I didn't understand what I was supposed to install opening synaptic
17:15<gnugr>same thing
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17:16<victor_uva>gnugr: there is no package in backports: http://paste.debian.net/148848/
17:16<gnugr>sorry, synaptic is also an option
17:17<gnugr>victor_uva: i do have also squeeze-backports and package is there
17:17<supaman>the http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ package search doesnt find that package for backports
17:17<gnugr>unless you didn't do "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" after adding
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17:18<victor_uva>gnugr: I did that, and the tried to install the package from backports
17:18<l0op>daemonkeeper: you;ve made the filesystem larger but you've not increased the size of the logical volume using lvextend. was/is this intentional?
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17:19<victor_uva>but the terminal says that this package doesn't exist in squeeze-backports
17:19<gnugr>victor_uva: package is there, i dunno why you can't get it
17:19<victor_uva>and if I search it on the web, it doesn't appear: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-wxgtk2.8&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
17:20<daemonkeeper>l0op: I did that before.
17:20<l0op>victor_uva: apt-cache policy python-wxgtk2.8
17:20<daemonkeeper>l0op: Actually you can see, the resize2fs /makes/ it larger
17:20<l0op>daemonkeeper: erm yes it does. sorry you're right. having a blonde moment over here. weird!
17:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 496] by debhelper
17:21<victor_uva>but if it were in squeeze-backports, it should appear on the web, shouldn't it?
17:21<daemonkeeper>l0op: Well, call me confused as well.
17:21<victor_uva>l0op: http://paste.debian.net/148851/ I get this when typing apt-cache
17:21<gnugr>daemonkeeper: as i saw you can't have more than 4 partitions
17:21<daemonkeeper>gnugr: How would that be relevant?
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17:22<gnugr>debian/rules
17:22<l0op>victor_uva: erm that bp1 is your own backported version?
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17:23<l0op>victor_uva: strange how the one in backports isn't listed in your apt-cache policy output. it should be
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17:23<hoshi411>is there a way to check what kernel my chroot loop file is using insteadof what the systen running the chroot is using?
17:23<victor_uva>l0op: I haven't backported this package, this is what I'm trying to do but I haven't been able yet
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17:24<hoshi411>often commands from my chrootenvironment like top for example show processes running outside of my chroot environment
17:24<victor_uva>l0op: my current version is 2.8.10.1-3+b1, the one in squeeze repositories
17:24<victor_uva>what I do not understand is why you can see python-wxgtk2.8 in squeeze-backports and I can't
17:24<l0op>victor_uva: I can't see a version in squeeze-backports..
17:25<hoshi411>im running debian stable on my android tablet
17:25<hoshi411>armel
17:25<victor_uva>l0op: oh, so it was gnugr who said it
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17:25<hoshi411>but running it installed on a loop image and chrooted
17:25<l0op>gnugr: I don't see that package in the squeeze backports repo
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17:25<hoshi411>and i qant to know what kernel is booting up
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17:26<victor_uva>l0op: this is what I get when I first try to build the dependencies: http://paste.debian.net/148854/
17:26<hoshi411>but commands like uname and /proc/version only seem to show me my android device kernel
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17:28<gnugr>l0op: where can i post my screen?
17:28<gnugr>to show you?
17:28<hoshi411>for example this is my proc/version : Linux version 2.6.36.3 (android@Mercury) (gcc version 4.4.3 (GCC) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 28 20:49:30 CST 2011
17:29<l0op>gnugr: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&keywords=python-wxgtk2.8 gives no results for me
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17:29<supaman>gnugr: the official package search doesnt find that package in backports, its not there
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17:29<hoshi411>andtis is uname -a: Linux localhost 2.6.36.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 28 20:49:30 CST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux
17:29<victor_uva>gnugr: this is the same I get when trying to find python-wxgtk2.8 in backports
17:30<hoshi411>apt get gives me the option of installimg 5 flavors of linux image 3.1 on an armel device
17:31<hoshi411>but which one do i choose?
17:32<l0op>hoshi411: stawberry
17:33<hoshi411>10op do you mean strawberry?
17:33<gnugr>l0op: see it: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-KRa0gfcC.png
17:34<gnugr>its from my synaptic
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17:35<victor_uva>gnugr: this version (2.8.10.1-3+b1) is the version from stable
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17:35<victor_uva>gnugr: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-wxgtk2.8
17:36<l0op>hoshi411: I do indeed :)
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17:39<victor_uva>gnugr: I have the same in synaptic, the same as I see in your screenshot, but this version is the one that appears at the end of the link above: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-wxgtk2.8; I need, in fact, 2.8.11 or higher, so I necessarily have to backport
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17:41<gnugr>victor_uva: ok, you can migrate to testing though to have it, but as i saw you can join that music link from web.
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17:43<victor_uva>what music link? if finally I cannot backport this package, I'll simply assume it; but it's more difficult to maintain correctly a testing or sid installation; I prefer to stay in stable
17:43<gnugr>that you posted before
17:43<victor_uva>(in fact, when I started in debian this summer I came here various times with problems of dependencies and finally I had to reinstall the system)
17:43<scraze>daemonkeeper: does it only jump back after a boot?
17:44<daemonkeeper>scraze: Yes.
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17:45<gnugr>victor_uva: debian stable-squeeze is the best you can have, for me, and with backports you can get kernel 2.6.39 to have all oyu want.
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17:47<victor_uva>gnugr: in fact, this is what I have currently: debian stable with some packages from backports (linux kernel 2.6.39 to solve a sound problem and the packages for the graphic card)
17:47<supaman>victor_uva: you can try to add testing to your sources.list and do aptitude -t testing install python-wxgtk2.8 and see if it wants to fetch way to many packages
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17:47<gnugr>i'm not suggesting testing
17:48<gnugr>its too soon
17:48<scraze>daemonkeeper: I suppose 'sync' is automatically executed at shutdown.. if so then I can't imagine anything other than that something is overwriting the relevant sections in the filesystem at boot :S?
17:49<supaman>victor_uva: and just say no to the install if you dont like the looks of it and remove testing from sources.list again
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17:50<supaman>victor_uva: but then you cant get that version unless you get all the dependencies and build the package yourself
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17:50<daemonkeeper>scraze: The file system in question is obviously not mounted. That would be ... bad for the filesystme :)
17:50<victor_uva>supaman: I'll try a bit more time to build the package myself, in 5 minutes I'll write what I get
17:50<hoshi411>where is my kernel img? my /boot folder is empty
17:51<hoshi411>o_0
17:51<hoshi411>imchrooted into a loop file
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17:52<scraze>daemonkeeper: of course :] but the changes to the filesystem still have to be written to the LVM partition, and I suppose the query for blocksize confirms that it has been successfully written - iirc dumpe2fs reads directly from the partition - right ?
17:52<victor_uva>if I write "supaman, gnugr:" will you both receive that I have mentioned you?
17:53<supaman>victor_uva: that depends on our irc clients, personally I use irssi, dont know if that will recognise it (I think it will)
17:53<daemonkeeper>scraze: Yes, it does. But a sync is executed automatically these days where needed. Also, I am not really rebooting. The LVM volume is used in a virtual machine.
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17:54<supaman>victor_uva: allthough it didnt for that last message you wrote
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17:54<Jef91>So whenever I try to install anything via apt-get I am getting this error: Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/sbin/dpkg-divert line 26.
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17:55<gnugr>victor_uva: sure, you can make experiments with your system, i did so, thats why i'm back with squeeze-backports
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17:59<Bushmills>Jef91: does output of dpkg -l libdpkg-perl start with ii ?
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18:00<Bushmills>did that look too scary?
18:00<supaman>obviously :-)
18:00<gnugr>hehe
18:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 489] by debhelper
18:01<victor_uva>as the console gave that "python-wxgtk2.8" was being ignored and paid attention in "wxwidgets2.8" instead, I tried to backport wxwidgets2.8 (it's a set of packages in sid); I did build-dep and saw all the dependencies problems (the command didn't solve the problems, so I installed the necessary packages manually)
18:01<victor_uva>after that, I tried to get source for wxwidgets2.8
18:02<victor_uva>my terminal became a chaos for 5 minutes approx. and finally I got an error
18:02<victor_uva>so that wasn't useful
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18:03<Bushmills>your terminal became chaos as result of trying to get wxwidgets sources?
18:03<supaman>victor_uva: yeh, you want to build the wxwidgets2.8 package, thats the source package that contains the python-wxgdk2.8 binary
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18:03<supaman>s/gdk/gtk
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18:04<gnugr>crossfingers for succesfull try victor_uva
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18:05<victor_uva>that was the last lines in my console: http://paste.debian.net/148860/
18:05<victor_uva>I did something wrong, but I do not know why
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18:06<gnugr>hits on debian/rules
18:06<victor_uva>I don't know what that means
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18:07<gnugr>conbination of sources.list
18:07<born2troll>hey guyz i heared my driver is ther?
18:07<victor_uva>conbination?
18:07<born2troll>has the nvidia 560 ti driver added to the backports?
18:08<victor_uva>(sorry gnugr, but my English is not my native language)
18:08<gnugr>victor_uva: nore mine
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18:09<victor_uva>gnugr: if I do build-dep now (after installing manually the necessary dependencies from backports), I get this: http://paste.debian.net/148861/
18:09<supaman>victor_uva: where did you get the source from? what did you use to run this compilation?
18:09<victor_uva>now build-dep says that anything more is needed
18:10<victor_uva>nothing more*
18:10<gnugr>victor_uva:to have these packages in sources.list, even temporary, backports and squeeze/updates must be removed, not to hit to echother
18:10<victor_uva>so in my sources.list do I only have the deb-src for sid and nothing else?
18:10<gnugr>no
18:11<victor_uva>do I comment all the lines but this one? including the deb lines?
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18:11<victor_uva>so I don't understand the thing
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18:11<supaman>victor_uva: well, build-dep reads your sources.list file, so now you have the files needed to build wxwidgets2.8.10 (you might need newer versions for 2.8.12)
18:12<victor_uva>yes, this is what I was thinking
18:12<victor_uva>so now the following step is doing "apt-get -b source wxwidgets2.8", isn't it?
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18:13<born2troll>has the (nvidia 560 ti) driver added to the backports?
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18:13<gnugr>victor_uva: you must migrate to wheezy as i can understand
18:13<supaman>victor_uva: yes, but it will probably fail
18:14<victor_uva>supaman: yes, it failed
18:14<gnugr>victor_uva: change sources.list to wheezy and test it
18:14<victor_uva>that was the "chaos" I mentioned before hehe
18:14<gnugr>thats great with debian
18:14<supaman>victor_uva: yeh .. that probably means you need newer libs to build this package
18:14<gnugr>you can do what you want
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18:15<victor_uva>for trying with wheezy I suppose that all the dependencies solved for sid are now solved for wheezy, aren't they?
18:15<supaman>victor_uva: but do as I suggested some time ago ... add testing to your sources.list and try aptitude -t testing python-wxgtk2.8
18:16<victor_uva>supaman: this is what I'm going to do now
18:16<supaman>victor_uva: ok :-)
18:16*gnugr giggles
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18:17<victor_uva>(I remember babilen telling to me in summer than never ever do this; if he/she sees it, will do a facepalm)
18:17<victor_uva>for doing it with wheezy, do I need all the previous steps I already did?
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18:17<supaman>victor_uva: yeh, its not good policy to do this, but when in need
18:18<supaman>victor_uva: nope, just do the aptitude thing I wrote
18:18<victor_uva>I want to know because if it is not necessary I'll first uninstall all those packages installed during the process
18:18<victor_uva>(they ocuppy more than 300 MB)
18:18<supaman>victor_uva: hmmm ... what packages were that?
18:19<victor_uva>uf, a lot
18:19<victor_uva>a lot of libs
18:19<supaman>victor_uva: yeh, I think you can uninstall them
18:19<Guest20026>Any opinions on kernel 3.1.5?
18:19<victor_uva>I wrote all of them while they were appearing on the terminal to remember what I can remove
18:19<supaman>nope, havnt tried it
18:20<victor_uva>actually my terminal is entirely occupied with the "chaos"
18:20<babilen>victor_uva: You just highlighted me -- Unfortunately I don't have time right now to read the backlog, so I just resort to wishing you good luck :)
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18:21<Guest20026>I'm compiling 3.1.5 right now, just wanted to see if anyone has any problems with it
18:21<victor_uva>babilen: I'm going to mix a few packages of testing with stable. I mentioned you because I'll never forget a day in summer when you told me "never ever mix stable with testing, never"
18:21<victor_uva>but now it's possible that I have to do it, because it's impossible for me to backport a package from sid
18:21<supaman>victor_uva: well, lets hope it wont be more then one package
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18:24<babilen>victor_uva: That recommendation still stands though -- It is a general guideline though. So take care and don't mess up your system. Backporting would be the right approach, but I have the impression that you worked on that approach already. Alternatively you could consider to switch to testing completely .. Be that as it may, I'm busy now so good luck.
18:25<victor_uva>babilen: thank you for the advice, babilen; I don't disturb you anymore ;)
18:25<victor_uva>testing branch uses now gnome3?
18:25<supaman>yes
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18:27<victor_uva>this is also one of the reasons why I'm trying to stay in squeeze yet: I'm still not prepared to use gnome3, I'm more comfortable with my "old" menu bars
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18:27<victor_uva>I still don't know how "stable" is the testing branch
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18:28<supaman>victor_uva: I am on stable, and I like it fine
18:28<supaman>victor_uva: sorry, testing I meant
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18:29<carlonxo>hello everybody
18:29<carlonxo>i tried to install
18:29<carlonxo>debian
18:29<carlonxo>testing
18:29<victor_uva>actually I arrived to debian this summer, I moved from windows to ubuntu, then to fedora, and now to debian; in fedora I tried gnome3 but I guess it was too soon to use it (gnome3 had just arrived); maybe now it is more user-friendly
18:30<carlonxo>but there wasn't gnome
18:30<carlonxo>i tried cd1
18:30<carlonxo>where's gnome?
18:30<victor_uva>but I shut up, because I don't want to occupy this channel with my life hehe
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18:31<supaman>carlonxo: do you go straight to command line when booting up, or do you get a graphical log in, gdm perhaps?
18:31<cthuluh>carlonxo: it should be on CD1 ; add it to your sources.list (apt-cdrom add can help), and try aptitude install gnome
18:31<carlonxo>i added
18:31<carlonxo>the cd1 in the instalation
18:31<carlonxo>but
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18:31<carlonxo>when i login
18:31<carlonxo>only apeared
18:31<carlonxo>a shell session
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18:32<cthuluh>so a non graphical one?
18:32<carlonxo>yes
18:32<cthuluh>I guess you didn't choose the "desktop" task
18:32<carlonxo>really i didn't
18:32<carlonxo>downloaded
18:32<carlonxo>the mirror
18:33<carlonxo>packages
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18:33<cthuluh>so, you could do what I said (add the cdrom if needed), and run tasksel
18:33<cthuluh>!enter
18:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:33<carlonxo>i'll try it
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18:34<jmux>victor_uva: FYI: the build error results from the multi-arch packaging, which is not supported in squeeze. It's not a dependency problem! from debian/rules: "cd $(objdir_gtk_shared)/lib && ln -s . $(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)"
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18:35<victor_uva>jmux: and does it have any solution? or is the only solution for me to migrate to testing?
18:35<jmux>victor_uva: for squeeze $(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH) is empty - that's why "ln -s ." gives you the error. For backporting to squeeze you need to fix the "$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)" problems.
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18:36<victor_uva>supaman: I added testing source, updated and did "aptitude -t wheezy install python-wxgtk2.8" and it tries to install me a hundred of packages from testing
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18:37<victor_uva>jmux: I think this problem is too much for me, I'm a bit new in debian yet; thanks for the info :)
18:38<supaman>victor_uva: ok, then we know that at least, you might as well then just upgrade everything to testing or go the way jmux is suggesting which is a lot of trouble for someone who is not comfortable with make system in debian and compiling programs in general
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18:40<victor_uva>supaman: I can assure you that I try to do my best, but my head cannot do anymore with compilation (I like linux, I like debian, but I'm not a programmer, I just have simple ideas)
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18:42<victor_uva>supaman: is it possible to migrate to testing whenever withouth crashing the system? I mean, if I change sources to wheezy and make full-upgrade, will I have gnome2 upgraded to gnome3 and will all my backports change to the same package in wheezy?
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18:43<supaman>victor_uva: yes, that is what should happen
18:43<victor_uva>ok, I think that will be the solution
18:44<victor_uva>I hope wheezy won't be too much unstable
18:44<victor_uva>if I disappear from irc too much time it'll mean that something went wrong
18:44<victor_uva>I'll be back as soon as I can
18:45<supaman>ok
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18:48<lfaraone>I have a keyspan serial adapter plugged into an OLPC XO-1 running Debian Squeeze. The adapter is properly detected, and shows up as /dev/ttyUSB0. However, when I attempt to open it with minicom or pyserial I get "resource temporarily unavailable"... Any idea why?
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18:52<MrFrood>lfaraone: wild guess but check the groups - suspect a permission issue
18:54<deansu>I have sent an email to a mail list that I wasn't subscribed to and forgot to ask to be CC'd in reply so read the replys from the web archive, is it possible to reply with out breaking the thread?
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18:56<supaman>victor_uva: here is an idea .... try running a testing dist under chroot and do your development there
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18:57<victor_uva>supaman: I think it is too late, wheezy is already installing
18:57<supaman>victor_uva: hehehe .. ok :-)
18:57<lfaraone>MrFrood: root:dialout, I'm in dialout, and it doesn't even work as root.
18:58<victor_uva>anyway, there's no problem if debian crashes: I have dual boot debian - linux mint debian edition
18:58<victor_uva>so I can access to my files and reinstall debian too
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18:59<supaman>victor_uva: ok, thats good to hear
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19:04<lfaraone>deansu: sure, use gmane.org
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19:07<carlonxo>well install gnome only is posible downloading the packages in debian testing
19:07<carlonxo>gnome isn't complete in cd 1
19:09<carlonxo>someone know where cd is the complete gnome?
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19:12<deansu>lfaraone: thanks
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19:16<streuner>deansu: most debian users just download it via i-net, why do you think you must have these package locally stored?
19:17<streuner>carlonxo: ^^^
19:17<streuner>deansu: sorry :-)
19:17<carlonxo>mi internet is slow
19:17<streuner>slow is a relative term, how slow is it?
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19:18<carlonxo>i'll try to install gnome and it will be dowloaded 7 hours
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19:19<streuner>i doubt that Gnome 3.x is available on any media yet, other than on the repos...
19:20<streuner>carlonxo: well, i recommend, if its flat at least to just download it of the repos then
19:21<scraze>carlonxo: for testing join #debian-next (btw, downloading a CD containing gnome will cost more bandwidth than just downloading gnome)
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19:23<streuner>scraze: they surely able to make his i-net connection faster :-P
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19:24<scraze>streuner: do you mean his ISP or the people at #debian-next ;]?
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19:26<streuner>otherwise i wouldnt use a smiley...
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19:28<scraze>as 7 hours is long for any ISP I'd think that was funny too :] but perhaps it's no laughing matter.
19:28<streuner>7 hours isnt fun, IMO :-)
19:28<streuner>thats a pain in the ass :-)
19:28<streuner>nowadays
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19:29*streuner used to run sid with a dialup connection, half of the day i downloaded packages...
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19:36<victor_uva>supaman: my debian died
19:36<supaman>victor_uva: damn
19:36<supaman>victor_uva: so what happened?
19:37<victor_uva>I don't know why; it is true that I have installed various backports because my hardware was new and the stable packages couldn't make it work
19:37<carlonxo>streuner: well i think it's suitable download other cd in other pc
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19:37<victor_uva>there are an infinite of dependencies problems
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19:38<supaman>victor_uva: yeh, there is allways the chance of that happening, then it is usually better to just reinstall the system
19:38<streuner>carlonxo: the problem is still, that i doubt, that there is any CD/DVD which has GNOME 3.x
19:38<victor_uva>well, actually I don't have another option hehe
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19:42<carlonxo>streuner: i only want to try debian in virtual box first, i think i could be easy, there other way to try debian?
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19:44<carlonxo>streuner: sorry for my english
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19:45<streuner>carlonxo: well, why not just use a LIVE-CD? grml or knoppix, both are debian based
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19:46<streuner>carlonxo: both dont use GNOME 3, but you will get a first feeling about
19:47<carlonxo>streuner: i'm a user of ubuntu of 3 years i think could be goog try debian
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19:48<carlonxo>streuner: is really an advantage a rolling release?
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19:53<kcw>hi all. question: when i was using ubuntu, during bootup, busybox allowed me to attach a file to a loop device (/dev/loop0). the loop devices appear to not exist in squeeze. should i be using mknod to create them, or is there a way to configure initramfs or something to create the loop devices?
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19:56<scraze>carlonxo: if you're going to run it in a VM, then just to get a feel it would be fine to just use the stable release / Squeeze
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19:58<scraze>even moreso, running testing can be quite a task at times, so if you're not used to solving problems (like having no graphics / Xorg) then Squeeze is definitely the right choice
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20:00<carlonxo>but i think the stable release has old package, or can i change stable to testing after install stable?
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20:02<streuner>carlonxo: sure
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20:04<scraze>the packages in squeeze are perhaps a little dated, but there are updates for certain packages available in squeeze's backport, updates, and security repository; also if you really want to you can indeed go from stable to testing after install, in fact that method iirc is recommended over using a testing installer iso
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20:06<carlonxo>ok thanks for all your advices, i'm going to try that
20:06<carlonxo>good bye
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21:07<siskulous>Does anyone have a decently up to date review site covering which laptops work well with Debian?
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21:09<sney>siskulous: I'm not aware of one but it really just boils down to video and network hardware compatibility
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21:11<sney>siskulous: the nvidia/intel dual gpu 'optimus' technology is currently unsupported, but nearly any other gpu can be made to work with varying degrees of headache and non-freeness
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21:13<siskulous>sney: Thanks. I already knew what networking stuff to look for, so knowing to avoid Optimus will get me where I need in that case.
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21:15<ml|>siskulous: take a look at thinkwiki.org for Lenovo's
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21:22<metaspike>the best way for me to get windows running inside of a virtual machine without KVM, was to create one with qemu and connect to it with xfreerdp- which is fine
21:23<sney>I like rdp as a protocol, it's very efficient
21:23<metaspike>however, i have a dual core machine and ive noticed that qemu insists on using a single core, and the obvious settings dont seem to have any effect on this, it's as though qemu where using a single thread. any ideas?
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21:24<sney>it would make sense to have a VM be a single thread process so you could have multiple VMs on one machine and they wouldn't interfere with each others' cpu time
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21:26<metaspike>hmmm makes sense.
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21:27<scraze>metaspike: use qemu -smp to make use of SMP
21:27<scraze>for more options see the man page :]
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21:28<metaspike>thanks scraze sounds promising.
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21:31<siskulous>ml|: I actually prefer Toshibas. This one's been good to me for a long time, but it's about had it. Half my USB ports are dead, the case is cracked, and the hardware is all several generations out of date.
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21:33<sney>toshibas are pretty solid as long as you don't get the 'budget' model. some of their current wifi setups use an internal usb nic for better hotplug support, which is kinda weird, but fully supported under debian as long as the nic itself it
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21:33<sney>is*
21:34<ml|>try to pry my thinkpads from me ;)
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21:38<siskulous>Heh, my view of Thinkpads is tainted I think. We have those at work and every time it's time to update a batch the IT director gets the model that the hardware gurus say 'Hell no, never ever ever' to because it's invariably the cheapest one.
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21:39<simotox>bonsoir
21:39<simotox>j'ai une distribution backbox et j'ai avec la configuration du serveur xampp lors de démarage
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21:39<scraze>!fr
21:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
21:39<simotox>est ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider
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21:43<ml|>I speak mainly of the T and X series
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21:51<hoshi411>does anyone know why i can type in japanese using scim in leafpad but in a lxterminal i cannot?
21:52<hoshi411>typing a japanese character scim works finein the terminal but after pressing enter only a question mark character ? shows up
21:52<hoshi411>do i need to install some kindof japanese font package for the terminal?
21:53<hoshi411>this isnt really a debian specific problem but
21:53<hoshi411>this is on lxde debian squeeze
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21:54<hoshi411>there might be a channel better suited for tackling scim or keyboard input issues
21:54<paul>hey I have a question about drivers
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21:54<ml|>first you should check that lxterminal supports those characters
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21:55<deansu>hoshi411: as ml| says, you need a terminal that can handle utf8
21:55<hoshi411>ah i see
21:56<hoshi411>ml| is there a utf support package that one could install?
21:56<hoshi411>:
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21:57<deansu>hoshi411: the terminal has to support it, if you would like an example of a terminal that does, rxvt-unicode is what I use
21:57<scraze>hoshi411: if your locales is set to C (check echo $LANG) it's not supporting utf-8
21:57<hoshi411>now that you mention that, ive noticed that whensaving files in leafpad, it chooses something other than utf8 as the default
21:57<ml|>I use rxvt-unicode as well
21:59<sney>lxterminal supports utf8.
21:59<hoshi411>installing rxvt unicode now
21:59<hoshi411>i know lxterminal does support utf8 though because i have used it in the past for japanese
21:59<hoshi411>but im sure there s some option i need to put in my bashrc or something
21:59<hoshi411>maybe
22:00<hoshi411>or some utf8 package i need to install
22:00<sney>you need fonts
22:00<sney>and a utf8 locale
22:00<hoshi411>or some setting im missing
22:00<hoshi411>sney: i have the base japanese fonts
22:00<hoshi411>i probly need that locale
22:00<deansu>hoshi411: did you do the echo $LANG check from above?
22:00<sney>dpkg-reconfigure locales
22:01<hoshi411>deansu: that command retuns nothing 0_o
22:02<deansu>then do sney's suggestion
22:02<hoshi411>sney locales is not installed it seems
22:04<scraze>apt-get install locales !
22:04<hoshi411>thanks :9
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22:05<scraze>when you have your UTF-8 locale installed, here's a fun little test: http://paste.debian.net/148871/ (replace en_US.utf-8 with your locale of choice)
22:08<hoshi411> scraze thank you. im doing the reconfigure now
22:11<Guest20037>Question? I just installed a wireless card driver. How to I get it to work?
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22:13<xplode>hello i need help
22:14<scraze>Guest20037: for basic configuration, see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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22:14<Guest20037>thanks
22:15<xplode>i have john the ripper in my /home folder and I want it to run directory from the cmd line
22:16<xplode>I tried symlinks
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22:16<scraze>xplode: run john on a directory? I thought it was supposed to be used on password files (ie /etc/shadow)
22:16<deansu>sounds like he has compiled it
22:17<xplode>let me explain myself better
22:17<xplode>I have john compiled and ready to use in my home directory
22:17<deansu>is there any reason you arn't using the package in the debian archives?
22:17<xplode>but I have to go to /home/john inorder to invoke the command
22:18<scraze>deansu: good catch :]
22:18<xplode>because the package for the john repositorie is and older version
22:18<xplode>that's why
22:18<xplode>I i compiled the new version
22:18<xplode>anyway
22:19<xplode>i'm trying to get it to run directly from the cmdline without haveing to cd into it directory and without copying the files to /bin
22:19<deansu>put it in ~/bin, add ~/bin to your $PATH
22:19<xplode>I tried using a symlink to /bin but it still says command not found
22:19<scraze>you can go about this in different ways, I like to make a ~/bin/ and then load that into the bash env PATH in ~/.profile, but you can also create a symlink from /usr/local/bin/john to /home/john/[..]
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22:20<xplode>I c
22:20<xplode>i'll try that out
22:21<xplode>well before I try that this is what I did
22:21<xplode>I added it to /bin then created a symlink to /home/john
22:22<xplode>then changed my $PATH
22:22<xplode>and it still said command not found
22:23<scraze>normally it's best not to touch /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin or /usr/sbin and use the /usr/local/ equivalents instead; you can check whether a symlink is pointing correctly towards your file by doing readlink -f /path/to/symlink, so for instance readlink -f /usr/local/bin/john should read /home/john
22:24<scraze>btw, is john really at /home/john ? that seems like a bad place for a binary :]
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22:24<xplode>yes it is
22:25<xplode>why would that be a bad place for a directory?
22:25<xplode>as you can probably tell, I'm new at this
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22:26<xplode>well I'm probably just gonna copy the file in /usr/local/bin
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22:26<xplode>and not worry bout symlinks
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22:26<scraze>a directory in /home/ is fine, but it should belong to a user, as /home/ is intended for the directories of users (their 'home'); john doesn't need a user so it also doesn't need a directory in /home/, the convention is to place it in your own home in the subdir bin (which doesn't exist by default)
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22:27<xplode>well its actually in
22:27<xplode>/home/explode/john
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22:27<xplode>xplode*
22:27<scraze>oh, then I misunderstood :] that's fine
22:27<xplode>oh ok then
22:27<mobius420>greetins :)
22:27<xplode>so should I just copy it to /usr/local/bin
22:27<xplode>then make a symlink
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22:28<xplode>to /home/xplode/john
22:28<xplode>or vise versa
22:28<xplode>??
22:28<gamambel>if you copy it to /usr/local/bin , you don't need a symlink
22:28<xplode>gotcha thinks
22:28<xplode>thanks*
22:28<kcw>i think debian and ubuntu have scripts that run when you login that will include /home/<user>/bin
22:28<scraze>the abbreviation ~/john would be correct as ~ expands to /home/explode/, but /home/ itself is not used as a shorthand for /home/explode/ normally (that is, you're the first I've seen doing it :])
22:28<kcw>i just have a bin folder right in my user's home
22:29<gamambel>you can however put a symbolic link INTO /usr/local/bin that points to john in your home directory
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22:30<xplode>great
22:30<xplode>well thanks for the help
22:30<xplode>I find a method that suits me better, ill probably just put it in /usr/local/bin instead
22:31<gamambel>i also do that for custom built binaries
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22:32<scraze>xplode: the symlink could be created with sudo ln -sv /home/exploder/john/john /usr/local/bin/john
22:33<mobius420>hey guys I am trying to get sound support in alsa on a dated intel mobo. output of lspci is located http://pastebin.com/uwDxsNNr if anyone would be kind enough to have a look I would appreciate it :) I am stuck
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22:35<xplode>\m scraze that was perfect
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22:35<xplode>oops typo
22:35<xplode>thanks
22:37<scraze>mobius420: could you give the pciid [1234:abcd] from lspci -nn | grep -i audio instead ?
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22:37<mobius420>scraze, yes
22:37<mobius420>scraze, one moment
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22:37<mobius420>pci id is : 00:1f.5
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22:38<scraze>mobius420: I meant the id at the end of the line, should be two hexadecimals of 4 characters between brackets, like [1234:abcd]
22:39<mobius420>scraze, okay
22:39<scraze>in other words, lspci -nn | grep -i audio | egrep -o '\[[^]]*:[^]]*\]' ;]
22:39<mobius420> and lspci -nn http://pastebin.com/NgivVJpA
22:39<mobius420>scraze, kk
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22:41<scraze>it's probably supported by the snd-intel8x0 module - is it loaded ( lsmod | grep intel8x0 ) ? what's your current situation?
22:42<mobius420>well I did lspci -nn | grep -i audio
22:42<mobius420> I will try that
22:42<mobius420>intel 8x thks
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22:56<metaspike>"qemu -smp" tell emulates multiple processors, but I want the "host" machine to use it's physical processors to run the virtual machine. i recall there was a program that could split a process into threads. but that' hardly ideal. hmmmm.
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23:08<kcw>question: when i was using ubuntu, during bootup, busybox allowed me to attach a file to a loop device (/dev/loop0). the loop devices appear to not exist in squeeze. should i be using mknod to create them, or is there a way to configure initramfs or something to create the loop devices?
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23:30<indy>Hi all, after installing squeeze I'm unable to access my hardware raid drive. The os was installed on a separate drive, but this "os" drive is now the only one visible under "computer" I can see my raid drive in "disktools" just not sure how to make it accessible:/ Any quick hints? ..I'm quite new to debian and might have overlooked something maby:/
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23:37<indy>Hi, anyone here? ;)
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23:39<tash>indy: I guess
23:41<metaspike>!software raid
23:41<dpkg>"Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/
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23:49<indy>hi there, no it's hardware raid
23:50<indy>thaht's why I thought it should be independent. And just show up as a hdd as it did before, even If I insatlled a new os (on a separate disk ofcourse, not connected to the raid station)
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23:53<indy>I'm able to see it in the "disk tools" system tool, just not sure how/if I can make it show up as a normal disk in the system files
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