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00:37<Pengu1n_Phr0zen>Sup debian devs?
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00:38<Pengu1n_Phr0zen>Any devs here?
00:38<MrFrood>They are fast asleep - just mere mortals here now
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00:39<Pengu1n_Phr0zen>I see I'm not the only torrific one here.
00:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:40<Pengu1n_Phr0zen>dpkg are yo ops?
00:40<dpkg>Pengu1n_Phr0zen: I give up, what is it?
00:41<MrFrood>dpkg: is da bot
00:41<dpkg>MrFrood: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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00:43<MrFrood>Pengu1n_Phr0zen: if you ave a question ask
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00:44<MrFrood>Pengu1n_Phr0zen: #debian-offtopic for non-support stuff
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01:35<deansu>9^/win 35
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02:38<gena2x>where dpkg stores it's scripts? one of my lilo scripts seem doesn't work, but bootloader itself working perfectly, so i want to change it a bit
02:39<gena2x>or this is some kind of trigger may be.
02:40<gena2x>dpkg: error processing lilo (--configure):
02:40<gena2x> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 32
02:40<dpkg>gena2x: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
02:41<gena2x>so post-installation one :)
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02:41<simonlnu>package's scripts? /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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02:41<gena2x>simonlnu, thanks
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03:15<marsim>noboby here ?
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03:15<kia00000>i am (russian)
03:15<marsim>HI, I need help to get audio from my debian
03:16<kia00000>i cant help with audio,i cant install
03:17<marsim>ok, thanks
03:18<kia00000>i cant install debian6,is anybody home?
03:18<metaspike>marsim, what happens if you run alsamixer ?
03:18<metaspike>kia00000, where does it go wrong?
03:18<marsim>It runs
03:18<marsim>I can see the bars
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03:19<metaspike>does it say Card: "the name of your card" ?
03:19<kia00000>metaspike, when install search netcard
03:19<marsim>yes, it says HDA Intel
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03:21<kia00000>what to do? install stop
03:21<metaspike>kia00000, so it can't find your network card? wireless?
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03:22<kia00000>ethernet asus nx1001
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03:23<marsim>metaspike, is there something I can do from alsamixer to let the audio run ?
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03:24<metaspike>well, if a channel is muted it will have [MM] if it is active it will have [00] below it
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03:26<ompaul>client dependent
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03:46<_spOOn_>hey, am having an issue mounting nfs volumes as a user when user isnt owner of the nfs share, and nfs share is not world read/execute (user is in group that has rwx)
03:47<_spOOn_>i have already applied the RPCMOUNTDOPTS="--manage-gids" option in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
03:47<_spOOn_>group exists on both client and server and has same guid
03:48<_spOOn_>gid even
03:48<_spOOn_>any ideas?
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04:11<Guest20053>In debian how would I find or get the compiz-config.cmake file? Its needed for somethign im compiling but I cant figure out how to get it
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05:08<dominick>Hi! I'm facing the following problem in my new debian base system when I run aptitude update. Help needed: W: GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <>
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05:14<streuner>dominick: is debian-keyring installed?
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05:20<dominick>streuner: debian-archive-keyring is installed.
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05:22<dominick>pico /etc/apt/sources.list~
05:22<dominick>err... sry.. my mistake.
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05:32<dominick>streuner: I logged out and chrooted in again, and this time, it worked. I don't understand what changed.
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05:51<hpvincent>hi all, I am running the x86 version of debian , but with an amd64 kernel, as such I suppose the kernel itself is 64bits ,as well as the modules
05:52<hpvincent>I would like to revert back to the i686 kernel (with pae), but I am not sure how to do that
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05:53<simonlnu>if it's just the kernel that's 64b it shouldn't be hard
05:53<hpvincent>basically, I can't seem to find the linux modules package, there's linux-image, linux-headers
05:53<simonlnu>install a debian kernel?
05:53<hpvincent>but how will modules be updated to 32bits ?
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05:53<Nemoder>I believe the linux-image package contains the modules
05:54<hpvincent>ok thanks
05:55<hpvincent>so just upgrading linux-image , linux-headers should be enough ?
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06:01<hpvincent>I had some modules installed via module-assistant
06:01<hpvincent>how can I convince it that I am now in 32 bits mode ?
06:02<hpvincent>it keeps installing amd64 versions
06:03<valdyn>hpvincent: m-a defaults to the current kernel, read the docs
06:04<babilen>hpvincent: You might also want to take a look at DKMS -- there might be a dkms package for those modules.
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06:07<hpvincent>valdyn, you mean the currently booted kernel ?
06:07<valdyn>hpvincent: yes
06:07<hpvincent>I uninstalled the amd64 kernel already
06:07<hpvincent>ok I see
06:08<hpvincent>I unsinstalled it but it's still using it to compile modules :/
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06:08<valdyn>hpvincent: why would you uninstall a known working kernel before testing the new one?
06:08<hpvincent>well I know the i686 work as well
06:08<valdyn>hpvincent: good luck
06:08<hpvincent>beside I have a rescue system (which actually was used initially to install the present one :)
06:09<hpvincent>ok, so I'll reboot and then compile
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06:18<hpvincent>ok it seems to be working
06:20<zophy>things are not always as they seem
06:20<zophy>you might be running windows
06:20<hpvincent>you are giving me doubts now
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06:21<hpvincent>wait, I do have windows on my display
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07:26<indy>Hi there;) I recently installed debian over windows on my home server, I have one disk for the os, and 5 other disks in hardware RAID 5. But I'm now unable to access the raid partition, It shows up in "disk tools" but not in the file system. This screenshot might explain it better: , greatly appreciate all help;)
07:27<bike>indy, is it ntfs?
07:28<indy>yes, I used windows before. I was thinking since it was hardware raid, I should be able to change the os on the system disk, and just have the raid partition show up as another partition
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07:28<bike>indy, norsk og ;> install ntfs-3g from apt
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07:32<indy>konge:) takk for hjelpen;) ... I can see from synaptic that ntfs-3g is already installed though?
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07:34<victor_uva>hi, after crashing my whole system last night, I have reinstalled debian stable (now I have a clean system except from pidgin, which I installed to open irc); I just wanted to be sure that this time I make correctly the upgrade to wheezy
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07:34<victor_uva>am I supposed to first dist-upgrade squeeze before migrating to wheezy?
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07:35<victor_uva>what repositories am I supposed to have in my sources.list? only the wheezy ones? also the squeeze ones?
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07:35<bike>indy, oi, hum, i really have no experience with raid, avoided it like the plague , perhaps google can help if you google hw raid ntfs linux or debian
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07:37<bike>indy, aah, been ages since i used ntfs-3g - its basically the same as mount, Example: ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows says the command
07:37<bike>you can then add that to /etc/fstab to have it automount at boot
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07:38<indy>okei, interesting, just give me 2sec, this is all new to me:)
07:38<bike>victor_uva, wheezy will be fine , but it makes no difference
07:39<bike>i think
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07:40<victor_uva>I mean, if I change sources from squeeze to wheezy and I do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade", shouldn't I have any known problems?
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07:44<bike>victor_uva, depends, i've had problems with ati graphics lately, due to a mismatch between xorg and hte driver ,that might be fixed now, i also consider gnome 3 a problem though
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07:44<bike>why do you need wheezy?
07:45<victor_uva>I still don't understand why it is so different to use apt-get or aptitude with dist-upgrade
07:45<victor_uva>I obtain completely different results
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07:45<bike>aptitude can help you resolve dependency problems
07:45<victor_uva>because I need some packages whose version in squeeze is old and it was impossible for me to backport them from sid
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07:46<bike>ah , well, i usually just leave stable in my sources.list while upgrading to testing
07:46<bike>but i went yelling and screaming back to stable since gnome3 and fglrx problems
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07:47<bike>so you might want to grab just that package from wheezy
07:47<victor_uva>well, it's not a problem for me if my system crashes, I have a "security" partition where I can always go and work if this one dies
07:48<victor_uva>bike: this is the next thing I tried to do, but aptitude tried to install me hundreds of mb (a huge amount of packages)
07:48<victor_uva>that was another reason why I was thinkig to try testing
07:48<bike>you can simply do aptitude install package?
07:48<bike>and ignore dist-upgrade for now?
07:49<victor_uva>yes, that was what I tried, but the terminal tried to install me a half of wheezy branch
07:49<bike>ugh , what package are you trying to install?
07:49<bike>it probably has dependencies which has dependencies that have dependencies then
07:50<bike>not much to do about that
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07:50<victor_uva>it was python-wxgtk2.8
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07:51<victor_uva>anyway, I don't like too much having mixed systems
07:52<victor_uva>after a few months I was able to have a stable system with some squeeze-backports and my laptop was right (except the thing about the old packages)
07:52<bike>true , that can lead to "undesired" results
07:52<victor_uva>I was trying now to see if I was able to "control" a testing system too; I can always return to my other partition to do the important things, that's why I don't have problems with "playing" here
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07:54<indy>Hi again there bike, I can see the 5 drives in the raid partition are named /dev/sda, sdb, sdc... I basically need to add these to the fstab file?.. I guess this would add them as single stations or something? I made another screenshot: could it be that debian experiences these drives as "unpartitioned"?
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07:54<valdyn>indy: a raid is not a partition
07:54<bike>indy, i would think so, i dont know the /dev/ for hwraid though
07:55<valdyn>indy: disks can be raid members without being partitioned
07:55<valdyn>indy: so its like that tools displays, the disks are not partitioned
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07:56<bike>its ntfs valdyn
07:56<valdyn>indy: i think youre talking about mdraid, not hardware raid
07:56<valdyn>bike: wtf does a filesystem type have to do with this?
07:56<bike>ok, i donno, i dont do raid
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07:58<valdyn>indy: easier for us here if you ran your tools in the C locale btw, not all of us speak danish ( or whatever else that is )
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07:58<dreamer>anyone here know how to interface with lirc? I'm trying to set up an xbox dvd kit like so:
07:59<dreamer>and I can see the kit: 045e:0284 Microsoft Corp. Xbox DVD Playback Kit
07:59<indy>okei, thanks for explaing:) I'm not an expert in this eiter, but some time ago when I installed the system I usded the raid setup options in bios and made the 5 disks raid 5. Then I installed windows on a spearate drive, and the 5 disks appeared as one gigantic disk in "my computer". I was then hoping the same would happen when I installed debian on the old windows disk.
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08:00<valdyn>indy: this is windows software raid
08:00<valdyn>indy: its typically setup in the bios, but its not hardware raid
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08:01<valdyn>indy: linux can support some of these raids with dmraid.
08:02<valdyn>indy: in actual real hardware raid linux would not be able to see the individual disks
08:02<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
08:03<valdyn>indy: question is if windows now needs to still access that raid or if you have valuable data on it
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08:03<indy>okei, I'll try to install dmraid then, if not I guess my best option is to run the debian install again, and use the raid config tools I remember I was promted for?
08:04<bike>what a mess
08:04<valdyn>indy: i dont know, i cant help you with dmraid
08:04<bike>might that not nuke his data?
08:04<indy>I've made a backup of what I need, but It would be really nice if it could work without having to reformat and make a new raid setup
08:04<valdyn>bike: yes, if its not dmraid
08:04<valdyn>indy: that doesnt answer my question completely
08:05<valdyn>indy: you should use mdraid if possible.
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08:05<indy>mdraid, is some application or?
08:06<valdyn>indy: mdraid just like dmraid is a software raid mechanism
08:06<indy>If windows still needs to access the raid? .. windows is gone:/
08:06<valdyn>indy: mdraid is generally recommended. dmraid only exists to use windows software raids
08:08<indy>mdraid is something I can install from inside debian, or is it some bios setup, or something to be done in the os installation process?
08:09<valdyn>indy: is your operating system supposed to be on that raid or on another disk?
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08:09<indy>the os is on a separate disk
08:09<valdyn>indy: ok, then install debian on that seperate disk and setup that raid later
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08:10<indy>the 5 raid disk are for them selves. I'm on debian now, on the separate disk
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08:11<valdyn>indy: ok, you should probably put your controller out of raid mode as dpkg said earlier, thats done in bios
08:11<indy> here's a picture of the setup
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08:11<valdyn>indy: then you create partition spanning the whole disk on each of your raid disks
08:12<indy>so, turn of raid mode in bios, and use install mdraid from within debian?
08:12<valdyn>indy: and after that you create an mdraid from those huge partitions
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08:12<valdyn>indy: yes
08:12<valdyn>indy: you can also create a raid from unpartitioned raw disks, but I dont think thats a good idea
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08:13<indy>okei, It looks like I have some more reading to do:)
08:13<indy>but thanks for all your help guys;)
08:13<valdyn>indy: i think you will need gpt partition tables on those disks because standard dos partitions dont support 2GB sized partitions iirc
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08:14<valdyn>indy: install the mdadm package and read in /usr/share/doc/mdadm
08:14<indy>okei, thanks:)
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08:27<dreamer>uhg, so it seems the lirc package in squeeze is completely F-ed? or am I reading all the signs wrong?
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08:40<dreamer>gnugr: here are the results to your test: complete failure
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08:42<r00t>hai brossss
08:42<xtick>Tell me please how to put in a few Fail format files .doc
08:43<xtick>how it can be automated
08:43<dreamer>cat fail > fail.doc
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08:44<gnugr>dreamer:testing weechat
08:44<dreamer>oh wait, you want it to actually be a .doc-file. no clue. maybe libreoffice has some cli?
08:45<xtick>libeoffice has this feature?
08:45<dreamer>xtick: abiword has a cli apparently. but really no idea how you could interface with that
08:47<xtick>abiword fails
08:47<dreamer>what do you mean?
08:47<praic>libreoffice in linux is best
08:48<xtick>it hangs when multiple files soidenit
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08:48<dreamer>praic: can you generate a .doc from cli?
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08:49<dreamer>xtick: what is it you are trying to do?
08:49<dreamer>perhaps you can cat the files together first (plain text), then open in abiword and convert to .doc
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08:50<xtick>I have 14 files from Word format to collect one piece
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08:52<dreamer>ah, you didn't say they came from word
08:52<dreamer>that's a whole other ballgame
08:53<dreamer>I just figured out how to generate a .doc on cli using abiword from a plain-text file though ;)
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08:59<svt>sup guys
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09:00<svt>anyone to help around?
09:00<svt>u think u can help me with my prb?
09:01<svt>it's about debian (ofc) running in virtual box
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09:01<heikkila>not before you told us the problem
09:01<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
09:01<svt>atm i just set up debian latest version in vb
09:01<svt>and running it fine
09:01<svt>the problem is with guest additions
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09:02<babilen>svt: What is the problem with them?
09:02<xtick>What is the problem?
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09:03<svt>when debian booted up, vb presented me with an error saying vb guest addtions dont match up debian additions, or smth like that
09:03<svt>and told me to dw the proper ones
09:03<svt>in the top right corner a message appeared with additions to install, but they dissappeared b4 i had a chance to click
09:03<svt>(im new to linux)
09:05<svt>actually nvm, i found out how to get them but through vb menu, and from there a cd image appears in debian desktop
09:05<svt>but the problem is still there, the autorun is not recognised by debian
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09:06<svt>i know this is not like windows, i need some commands like apt-get or sudo to install packages, but dont know how from there on forward
09:07<svt>that too
09:07<svt>i actually installed with synaptic this program
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09:07<svt>to log in here
09:08<svt>but the guest additions ? unknown format :-s
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09:09<svt>the cd image (VBOXADDITIONS_4.1.6_74713) wants to run itself but it will give an error
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09:12<svt>if i explore the image itself, debian says the media is detected as unix software, but it has .exe files
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09:13<xtick>hmm, you have a problem with package dependencies?
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09:13<svt>probably ?
09:13<svt>dont know
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09:14<svt>the thing is debian is having vbox 3.6 additions itself but wont sync with vbox latest version, that's why vbox says it needs to run the same version
09:15<svt>and right now i need to know how to install this package that i have in debian (presented itself as disc image on desktop)
09:15<xtick>Try to fix bugs in packages synaptick
09:16<svt>what if i try to run in terminal, what's the right command to try install directly from image?
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09:16<svt>vboxsolarisadditions.pkg (examples of files inside the image)
09:17<svt>i think the linux one i need
09:17<svt>how to install with with apt?
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09:21<devil>svt: apt-get install <package>
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09:21<svt>the package itself doesnt have to have an extension?it will look by itself and figure it out?
09:22<devil>yes, just the packageneme. all extensions are .deb
09:22<svt>not working
09:22<xtick>pkg install vbosolarisadditions.pkg
09:22<devil>svt: what packageß
09:23<svt>root@svt:/home/svt# apt-get install vboxlinuxadditions
09:23<svt>Reading package lists... Done
09:23<svt>Building dependency tree
09:23<svt>Reading state information... Done
09:23<svt>E: Unable to locate package vboxlinuxadditions
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09:23<devil>svt: apt-cache search virtualbox
09:23<svt>no direct copy paste here?:|
09:24<devil>if its more than a line or 2, use paste
09:24<svt>2 is max?
09:24<svt>good to know
09:24<svt>damn. a whole list came out
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09:25<svt>after using that command
09:25<devil>svt: sure, thats what is available in debian for virtualbox
09:25<devil>are you looking for virtualbox-guest-additions?
09:25<svt>i did say that
09:25<svt>i have it on image from vb
09:25<devil>you said vboxlinuxadditions
09:26<mosno>the zsh manpage says that commands are first read from /etc/zshenv, but what the package dumped on my filesystem is /etc/zsh/*. so is this a documentation bug?
09:26<svt>that's the file inside
09:26<mosno>ie. upstream expect FOO but we patch it
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09:26<devil>svt: apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions
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09:27<svt>what's the shortcut in debian to copy&paste here ? (ctrl+c&ctrl+v windows alike) ?
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09:27<devil>svt: mark with mouse=copy, middle button=paste
09:28<devil>or ctl-c/ctl-v
09:28<svt>Package virtualbox-guest-additions is not available, but is referred to by another package.
09:28<svt>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
09:28<svt>is only available from another source
09:29<devil>svt: is this a brandnew system?
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09:29<devil>svt: maybe it needs apt-get update up front
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09:30<xtick>maybe it will help you :
09:31<svt>let me c, hmm
09:31<devil>xtick: if its in debian, he should use that!+
09:31<devil>svt: dont.
09:31<svt>not good?
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09:32<devil>use what debian has, there is 30k packages
09:32<devil>svt: apt-get update
09:32<devil>then install it
09:32<svt>i did that
09:32<svt>i have all
09:33<svt>but surely it doesnt have this one in particular :)
09:33<svt>hence the problem
09:34<devil>svt: is it installed or not?
09:34<svt>the additions i need, absolutely not, but i have them on my desktop as i said b4 -.-
09:34<svt>the format is different
09:34<svt>no .deb extensions
09:34<devil>svt: what format?
09:34<svt>only .run, ,pgk, .exe
09:35<devil>svt: what functions are you after?
09:35<svt>to sync these 2
09:35<devil>svt: debian has .deb
09:35<devil>sync what 2?
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09:35<svt>virtual box said it upfront, update your guest additions from debian with the ones installed in vbox
09:36<svt>3.6 i think debian has
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09:36<svt>it needs 4.1.6_74713
09:36<devil>svt: what you need, needs non-free in your sources-list
09:37<svt>probably, i need to config that source list or is that a command in terminal aswell?
09:37<devil>svt: you have debian stable, packages are older
09:37<devil>svt: install virtualbox from debian, and the virtualbox-guest-additions will fit
09:37<svt>took it from their webiste
09:37<devil>svt: if you need a newer one, get the debs from the oracle website
09:37<svt>what do u mean ?
09:38<devil>svt: i mean what i said
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09:38<svt>i have virtual box inside windows 7, and debian runs in vbox
09:38<devil>dont combine stuff from oracle website with packages from debian
09:38<devil>either or
09:38<svt>on w7, not inside
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09:39<devil>its supposed to be the other way round :)
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09:39<svt>i destroyed my partition of 500gb sensible data
09:39<svt>bcuz of that
09:39<svt>that's why im running this phreak of nature in a box
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09:40<devil>svt: no, you destroyed that because of pebkac
09:40<svt>also bcuz im tired of windows
09:40<svt>actually it was both sides
09:40<svt>in dual boot and different hardrives connectivity
09:40<devil>what is host and what is guest?
09:40<svt>sata +usb pata
09:40<svt>usb with pata
09:40<svt>host w7_x64
09:41<svt>guest ofc debian
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09:41<devil>well, then you need guest additions with the same version as virtualbox itself
09:41<svt>now i have the vbox virtual image disk on the hdd that got screwed :))
09:41<devil>either from oracles side or from debian unstable
09:41<devil>in that case, fpor you, better the website
09:42<svt>that's what i've beeing saying all along devil
09:42<devil>why dont you do it then?
09:42<svt>what's the command?
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09:42<svt>im trying but did i mention (twice) im new to this terminal commands ?
09:42<devil>svt: go to oracle website, get the deb and dpkg -i foo.deb
09:43<svt>everyone knows it's hard for users to try smth new from ms
09:43<svt>aside ms*
09:43<svt>i go through the browser and download them normally?
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09:43<devil>we all been thru this
09:43<devil>svt: yes
09:44<devil>then cd to the dir where they got downloaded and use the dpkg command above
09:44<kie27>hiya all, my sound has been working until a day or so ago. running debian wheezy and just upgrading regularly as usual. about a day ago sound stopped working and movie player seems to go in fast forward mode rather than running normally. any ideas please?
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09:46<devil>good there is only one movie-player in debian :)
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09:46<kie27>i have tried others such as vlc and gxine which works but without sound
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09:47<devil>and you are using?
09:47<devil>what movie player?
09:47<kie27>i don't mind which one but the main problem is that the sound has stopped working, the movie player behaviour is just a new symptom that i noticed.
09:47<devil>and soundserver is pulseaudio?
09:48<kie27>i normally use vlc
09:48<kie27>or xine
09:48<svt>still searching and found nothing
09:49<kie27>how do i determine which soundserver is being used?
09:49<devil>svt: read the debian part of:
09:49<devil>gotta run
09:50<svt>wth ?
09:50<svt>i was searching on
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09:51<svt>that pge says about vb installing on linux
09:51<svt>i dont need vb, but the additions?
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09:52<devil>svt: why dont you read what i said?
09:52<svt>nvm i read it now
09:52<svt>it was lower on the page
09:52<svt>so i need to update those links inside sources.list?
09:53<devil>thats what it says, last time i looked
09:53<devil>and now gone
09:53<svt>so i have squeeze (6.0 and up) version
09:54*dreamer kicks lirc in the teeth
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09:57<svt>when i updated the link in the sources.list it started to update itself and an error about a public key occured
09:58<svt>W: GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139
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09:58<svt>Mr. devil?
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09:59<devil>svt: my time is up. and again: YOU DO NOT READ
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09:59<svt>i do read
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10:00<devil>rhe key issue is explained on that page, so, no, you dont
10:00<svt>i told u im new to this
10:00<abrotman>new to reading?
10:00<svt>new to linux stuff
10:00<svt>u mean this ?
10:00<svt>The Oracle public key for apt-secure can be downloaded here. You can add this key with
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10:01<svt>i read that but it said oracle key, got me confused :
10:01<svt>im trying :s
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10:03<A-ROD>well, i have a litle problem with irssi, anyone of you could help me a little bit?
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10:04<petemc>A-ROD: just ask
10:04<A-ROD>the matter is that donsen'y connect to any server
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10:04<petemc>do other irc clients work?
10:05<A-ROD>for example this xD
10:05<A-ROD>but i want irssi :D
10:05<petemc>if if you try /connect
10:05<petemc>what happens?
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10:05<A-ROD>it shows this message for example;
10:05<svt>i cant paste in terminal
10:05<A-ROD>"Irssi: Unable to connect server port 6667 [No se
10:05<A-ROD> puede asignar la dirección solicitada:]"
10:05<svt>how to ?
10:05<A-ROD>and the same with any other server
10:05<dpkg>Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
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10:06<petemc>A-ROD: what does that message mean?
10:06<A-ROD>that it's unable to connect to the server
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10:07<A-ROD>because can't resolve the IP
10:07<A-ROD>something like that
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10:07<A-ROD>sorry for my english :S
10:08<petemc>your english is good, clearly a lot better than my spanish/portugese
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10:09<blast007>A-ROD: is an OpenDNS IP. Resolves back to
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10:09<blast007>it means that the hostname you provided doesn't have a DNS record (doesn't exist)
10:09<svt>thx dpkg, after installing that it worked
10:09<A-ROD>blast007, i changed my server dns some days ago
10:10<svt>devil: i ran the command
10:10<A-ROD>so the matter is with the DNS Server?
10:10<A-ROD>i mean is openDNS now
10:11<A-ROD>and the hostname exists
10:11<blast007>points to some network configuration issue, probably
10:11<A-ROD>actually i'm connect to the that server but with xChat
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10:12<blast007>A-ROD: try running 'host' from the terminal and see what it resolves to
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10:14<A-ROD>this;" has address
10:15<blast007>hmm, weird.
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10:21<Bushmills>it may mean that there's a spelling error. the opendns host name indicates that
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10:22<Bushmills>rather than return nxdomain, they lie and resolve to a server of their own
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10:23<A-ROD>well i'm gonna see what to do, i jsut have that problem with irssi
10:24<A-ROD>anyway, thanks guys for yours helps
10:24<A-ROD>see ya!
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10:26<svt>still there?
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10:45<jack_lt>does debian has a release cycle for 2 yrs? How long is a release supported?
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10:46<daemonkeeper>Debian has no fixed release cycles. Empirical observations proof, generally a release is supported for 3 years at least.
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10:46<daemonkeeper>Basically there is roughly a 2 year release cycle plus one year security support after the successor has been released.
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11:04<adrian15>Hi. I am trying to make a bug report but reportbug always return "Unable to connect to BTS". Is it normal? I mean... Is BTS under a schedule downtime perhaps? Can I still use reportbug successfully when it says "Unable to connect to BTS"? I mean... it fails under the step of gathering bugs from a given package. Thank you.
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11:09<confrey>hi everybody
11:09<confrey>daemonkeeper, hi, do you remember about me?
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11:12<confrey>can you help me again,please?
11:12<confrey>I couldn't do that thing
11:13<confrey>I don't remember the channel we meet time ago
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11:15<daemonkeeper>##networking, but I'm busy right now.
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11:16<confrey>ok, I'd a problem about nemesis, if you are there, later, bye
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11:25<ukg>where can i get help for rescuing my grub?
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11:26<dpkg>[grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>.
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11:28<ukg>i have been there. could not solve my problem :-( any channels from where i can get help?
11:28<adrian15>ukg: You can try #sgrub or #rescatux at freenode server.
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11:33<cahoot>what happened?
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11:39<ompaul>he didn't say what was wrong
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11:48<gmurt>I am thinking about whether to use cpufreqd or cpudyn on an i5-laptop. What would you suggest?
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11:50<ompaul>for what purpose?
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11:51<gmurt>cpu throttling, etc.
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11:52<ompaul>makes no sense getting a proc like that if you are going to take the trottling away from the os
11:52<ompaul>cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies will tell you what you can do
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11:54<ompaul>then test the two of them but the os should offer reasonable solutions to the hardware this stuff has been around and in the kernel since 06 at least
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12:03<Kyuusai-San>good afternoon
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12:06<Kyuusai-San>is this the help channel
12:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:09<Kyuusai-San>I have a problem with Wifi, im running debian version 2.30.2 it worked in installation but now it is not in os, I understand that I may need a driver but I dont know where to start and have been trawling google for sometime, the laptop is a Toshiba Satellite L300-20D
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12:09<ompaul>is that the kernel version?
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12:09<Kyuusai-San>thats gnome version sorry
12:09<Singap_Cougar>hello everybody..
12:10<jordanm>if it is, the kernel version is missing a number
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12:10<Kyuusai-San>i do go to system>about dont i?
12:10<Singap_Cougar>xfce for that channel?
12:10<ompaul>great I'm off the hook it's not kde :)
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12:11<jordanm>Kyuusai-San: gnome doesn't have anything to do with your wifi. what does lsb_release -a say?
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12:11<Kyuusai-San>i know it doesnt jordanm
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12:11<Kyuusai-San>but was following the !ask template
12:11<Singap_Cougar>could you help me do you know any xfce channel.
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12:12<Kyuusai-San>no lsb modules are available
12:12<Singap_Cougar>I need to build a little business desktop, in xfce
12:12<Kyuusai-San>devian gnu/linux 6.0.3 squeeze
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12:13<jordanm>Kyuusai-San: which wifi card? lscpi -nn
12:13<Kyuusai-San>is that a command
12:14<Kyuusai-San>do i just put lscpi -nn
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12:16<Kyuusai-San>i put it in but got command not found, do i have to add something to it
12:16<jordanm>Kyuusai-San: apt-get install pciutils
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12:17<TCW>squeeze default without lspci?
12:18<Kyuusai-San>i havent got a network conection jordanm so im not going to be able to install anything, although i have my other netbook running winblows
12:18<Kyuusai-San>which i do have an internet connection on of whic i am talking to you now on
12:18<jordanm>TCW: it should, but it is not part of a base system
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12:19<TCW>Kyuusai-San, how about wired network?
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12:19<wamty>Is there a way to check whether a Linux kernel (that I just compiled locally, no error was reported) would boot my machine, without actually rebooting?
12:19<jordanm>actually it is should be part of a base system. it is recommended by udev
12:19<wamty>how no?
12:19<TCW>Kyuusai-San, but "cat /proc/pci" could do the trick too
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12:19<cahoot>wamty, only a boot would tell
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12:20<jordanm>Kyuusai-San: sorry, looks like i typoed the command when I gave it to you "lspci -nn"\
12:20<Kyuusai-San>no biggie
12:20<TCW>err... where is /proc/pci gone too?
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12:20<wamty>cahoot: cant i do it via an emulator?
12:21<wamty>or virtual machine?
12:21<cahoot>wamty, the build process has no way to tell if you've included support for vital parts of *your* system
12:21<Kyuusai-San>jordanm i have put in the command and have been given a >
12:22<TCW>Kyuusai-San, ctrl-c
12:22<TCW>Kyuusai-San, "lspci -nn|grep -i wireless" shoudl give you just the line for your wireless card
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12:23<wamty>what is the equivalent of atol in the kernel?
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12:24<Kyuusai-San>03:00 ethernet controller [0200] : Atheros Comunnications Inc . AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [169c:001c] (rev 01)
12:24<Kyuusai-San>so do i need to search for a driver now
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12:24<TCW>Kyuusai-San, nope
12:24<TCW>Kyuusai-San, dmesg|grep -i firmware
12:25<Kyuusai-San>nothing happened
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12:26<Kyuusai-San>dmesg|grep -i firmware and all that happened was a new line
12:26<TCW>Kyuusai-San, "dmesg|less" are there any messages about your wifi card?
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12:26<Kyuusai-San>erm theres a but load of numbers
12:26<cahoot>,pciid 169c:001c
12:26<judd>[169c:001c] is 'Unknown device' from 'Netcell Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
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12:27<Kyuusai-San>TCW is there nay perticular piece of information you are looking for
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12:27<TCW>eeks? That is not an ath5k chip?
12:28<TCW>Kyuusai-San, more or less... what the kernel says to your wifi card in general, errors and everything else that could give a glimpse about whats going on
12:29<Kyuusai-San>i could type it out but it would take ages
12:30<Kyuusai-San>its given me a physical ram map
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12:31<Kyuusai-San>crap thats a load of stuff lol
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12:33<TCW>Kyuusai-San, not especially what I would look for :) but see here, messages for a supported usb wifi card, just the firmware missing (which would be easily fixed):
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12:33<Kyuusai-San>if i plugged this laptop into the network
12:33<Kyuusai-San>is there something then i can try
12:34<TCW>Kyuusai-San, you mean with a wired connection?
12:34<Kyuusai-San>cause the router is downstairs
12:34<Kyuusai-San>i can plug in a wire downstairs for configuration purposes
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12:35<TCW>Kyuusai-San, install an irc client there, plug it in, see if wired network works, join here
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12:35<TCW>for gnome I'd suggest xchat
12:36<Kyuusai-San>ok hang on
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12:36<Kyuusai-San>need to find a long wire
12:39<Kyuusai-San>right moving both downstairs
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12:39<Kyuusai-San>will connects as Kyuusai-San2
12:39<TCW>cu then :)
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12:40<Kyuusai-San>oh how do i get out of that report
12:40<Kyuusai-San>ive got END
12:40<TCW>if you are talking about dmesg|less
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12:41<Kyuusai-San>right i have established dhcp
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12:41<TCW>Kyuusai-San, xchat already installed?
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12:42<Kyuusai-San>i havent used debian before is it simular to ubuntu to get software
12:42<TCW>Kyuusai-San, think of ubuntu as a debian-ripoff
12:43<Kyuusai-San>well yeah lol
12:43<TCW>debian.ripoff with an ugly theme and horrible user interface :)
12:43<Kyuusai-San>downloading packages from the synaptic package manager
12:44<TCW>from the net, with the synaptic pacage manager :p
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12:45<Kyuusai-San>whats the command for ipconfig
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12:45<TCW>Kyuusai-San, what do you want to know?
12:45<Kyuusai-San>well its saying ive got a wired connection
12:45<Kyuusai-San>yet its not connecting to the outside world
12:46<Kyuusai-San>do i was trying to see if it had established an ipconnection
12:46<TCW>kyso the install did fail?
12:46<Kyuusai-San>the installer failed
12:46<TCW>in a terminal: ip a s
12:46<TCW>and: ip r s
12:46<TCW>and /cat /etc/reslf.conf
12:47<TCW>without the leading "/" in front of cat :)
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12:47<TCW>for ethN?
12:47<TCW>where N is a number between 0 and... lets assume it is 0 :)
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12:49<Kyuusai-San>erm lol i havent got that
12:49<TCW>got what?
12:49<Kyuusai-San>eth (number)
12:49<TCW>what do you have?
12:49<Kyuusai-San>well 1.lo
12:50<Kyuusai-San>oh i do
12:50<Kyuusai-San>cause its produced a list of 1 to 4
12:50<TCW>then just ip a s eth0, helps not getting confused
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12:51<coagula>can w3m display images in a non-gui setting?
12:51<TCW>oh damn it! brb...
12:53<Kyuusai-San>2: etho: <BROADCAST, MULTICAST, UP, LOWER UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000 link/ether 00:l3:9d:ac:54 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet brd scope global eth0 inet6 fe80::21e:33ff:fe9d:ac54/64 scope link valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
12:54<Kyuusai-San>thats what it says for what i think is the wired TCW
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12:54<TCW>Kyuusai-San, how anout ip r s?
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12:55<TCW>something like "default via dev eth0" should be there
12:57<Kyuusai-San> dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src metric 1
12:57<TCW>no "default" line there?
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12:58<Kyuusai-San>oh yeah
12:58<Kyuusai-San>there is
12:58<Kyuusai-San>default via dev eth0 proto static
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12:59<TCW>Kyuusai-San, please, first look, make double sure and THEN report back :-p
12:59<TCW>it is not that hard to read something line by line after all, is it? :p
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12:59<Kyuusai-San>but was concentrating when i saw the 169
12:59<Kyuusai-San>but then it was referring to the wlan
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13:00<TCW>how about "cat /proc/resolf.conf"? What is written there after "nameserver"?
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13:00<TCW>err... resolv.conf even
13:01<Kyuusai-San>how do i put that
13:01<Kyuusai-San>do i use the "
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13:02<TCW>the "" are just there to differentiate between what I say and what you need to type in
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13:03<Kyuusai-San>where do i need to be to put in this command
13:03<Kyuusai-San>cause im getting a no such file or direcory
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13:03<TCW>Kyuusai-San, you did notice I made a typo there?
13:04<TCW>19:00:59 <TCW> err... resolv.conf even <- Kyuusai-San, so you are looking for /etc/resolv.conf?
13:04<familypc>hi how do you get windows live messinger up
13:05<Kyuusai-San>i am in etc
13:05<Kyuusai-San>shall i open it with gedit
13:05<familypc>yes plaese
13:06<TCW>Kyuusai-San, why did "cat /etc/resolv.conf" not work? What was the error message?
13:06<familypc>hi do you have a stephen caddan
13:06<Kyuusai-San>it did now
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13:06<TCW>Kyuusai-San, you did what now?
13:07<Kyuusai-San>#debian generated by network manager domain belkin search belkin nameserver
13:08<familypc>what a bout hanna linux
13:08<Kyuusai-San>TCW i put in the command and thats what i got ^^
13:08<TCW>Kyuusai-San, I did just ask about the thing written after "nameserver" why do you make it so hard for yourself?
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13:09<Kyuusai-San>you just said, you did what now lol
13:09<TCW>Kyuusai-San, but that is written in roughly 4 lines and not one?
13:10<familypc>what about clive liegh
13:10<Kyuusai-San>sorry im used to a spam filter from another network that bans your after 3 lines
13:11<Kyuusai-San>so i dont get it
13:12<TCW>Kyuusai-San, that is exactly why I only asked for the stuff written behind "nameserver!!!! Man, you are killing me!
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13:13<Kyuusai-San>i didnt see that
13:13<familypc>what is the ip adress for
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13:14<Kyuusai-San>familypc am i typing ping
13:14<TCW>Kyuusai-San, anyway... what happens if you try to ping some machines? Try a local one ( your router) and remote ones (like a google servers ip address)
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13:14<Kyuusai-San>thats odd
13:14<Kyuusai-San>i ping
13:15<Kyuusai-San>and it pinged
13:15<Kyuusai-San>now its trying to ping
13:15<Kyuusai-San>on its own
13:15<Kyuusai-San>i can ping the router
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13:16<TCW>Kyuusai-San, fine, what about 8-8-8-8?
13:16<Kyuusai-San>pings fine
13:16<TCW>what about ping
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13:17<Kyuusai-San>unknown host
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13:17<jordanm>dig @ +short
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13:18<Kyuusai-San>i got from that
13:18<TCW>Kyuusai-San, as root (su -, when asked type root passwort), delete and add (that is a public nameserver provided by google)
13:19<Kyuusai-San>so i type
13:19<Kyuusai-San>and then type add
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13:20<TCW>Kyuusai-San, just change the ip addresses
13:20<TCW>nothing more, nothing less
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13:22<Kyuusai-San>now i have got no network connection
13:22<TCW>try ping
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13:24<Kyuusai-San>unknown host
13:25<TCW>Kyuusai-San, host
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13:25<TCW>or .com... doesn't matter
13:25<Kyuusai-San>same thing for all
13:25<Kyuusai-San>with the www.
13:25<Kyuusai-San>just so you are aware all i did was got to network connections and gave it a static ip of as you said above
13:26<TCW>Kyuusai-San, please, type EXACTLY what is written in /etc/resolv.conf on and hit "send" then
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13:26<TCW>Kyuusai-San, what?!
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13:27<TCW>Kyuusai-San, what / where did you change a ddress to
13:27<TCW>a address even
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13:29<Kyuusai-San>nope dw, i havent right opening the resolv.conf
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13:29<coagula>If I don't have proper drivers for my onboard graphics will I have issues getting framebuffer console to work properly?
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13:30<Kyuusai-San>TCW i opened the etc/resolv.conf and it was empty
13:30<TCW>Kyuusai-San, I did ask you to type "su -", or not? What is the confusion there?
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13:30<Kyuusai-San>i typed su
13:30<Kyuusai-San>i am root
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13:30<Kyuusai-San>but when opening that document its empty
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13:32<TCW>Kyuusai-San, etc/resolv.conf OR /etc/resolv.conf? See the leading "/"
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13:33<Kyuusai-San>if i put in /etc.resolv.conf gives me #Generated by Network Manager
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13:34<TCW>Kyuusai-San, and nothing more?
13:35<Kyuusai-San>nothing more
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13:35<Torsten_W>then you use the resolvconf packages
13:35<TCW>Kyuusai-San, and you did not dlete the rest?
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13:35<Kyuusai-San>literally freshly opened
13:35<Torsten_W>and if so, you have to put the nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces
13:35<Kyuusai-San>according to your instructions
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13:36<TCW>then network-manager (and with that resolvconf package as Torsten_W noted) did it
13:36<Torsten_W>oh, i overseen network-manager
13:36<Torsten_W>i never used this crappy tool
13:36<Kyuusai-San>so what am i putting where lol
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13:36<TCW>Torsten_W, it s a default gnome squeeze... so I strongly guess it is nm :)
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13:37<Torsten_W>i would purge and edit /etc/network/interfaces
13:38<Kyuusai-San>oki doki
13:38<Kyuusai-San>what am i doing here
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13:38<simonlnu>that's a meta-physical question, not a technical one ;p
13:39<Kyuusai-San>lol i meant in to /etc/network/interfaces
13:40<TCW>Kyuusai-San, for the moment, as root: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop; echo nameserver >/etc/resolv.conf; apt-get update; apt-get install xchat
13:41<Kyuusai-San>o cool
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13:41<Kyuusai-San>stopping network connection manager: NetworkManager
13:41<Kyuusai-San>yeah its working
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13:42<Kyuusai-San>very slowly
13:42<Kyuusai-San>but its working lol
13:42<simonlnu>you don't need to paste to us all what's going on
13:42<Kyuusai-San>i wasnt going to
13:42<Kyuusai-San>i thought it was going to crash and burn
13:42<Kyuusai-San>yeah it has
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13:44<Kyuusai-San>cannot resolve
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13:44<Kyuusai-San>i dont think its gonna work
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13:46<Karth>Hey, I have a 300mhz PII laptop w/256mb ram and a 2gb HDD and I was wondering if there was a debian-based distro that would run as well as win98 on this system?
13:47<ml|>just use debian :)
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13:47<Kyuusai-San>just hope your network works
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13:47<simonlnu>straight up debian, yup
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13:47<Karth>my wireless card is supported, so no problems there
13:47<jordanm>it doesn't matter which distro you choose, that thing will have trouble with modern web browsers
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13:48<dominick>Hi! I just successfully bootstrapped a debian system onto my USB. However, it boots into initramfs. How do I log in to bash?
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13:48<Karth>seems to do fine in 98SE with Kmeleon as the web browser
13:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:49<Karth>works nice n fast there, I'd think something in debian would do the job as well
13:49<TCW>Karth, midori
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13:50<ml|>yes, midori or just use w3m or the like
13:50<vrkalak>Midori or the Epiphany-browser
13:50<Karth>ah alright, now is there anything I'd need to do to get it installed on 2gigs of hard drive space?
13:50<vrkalak>personally, I like Epiphany best
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13:51<Karth>I'll probrably give em all a try, pick my favorite
13:51<BullHorns>Ok I previously asked this question on freenode, I'm having issues mounting an NTFS drive, I've added my self to the FUSE group, the error it was giving me stopped but it started saying I didn't have permissions to write to the mount point so I chmod to give every one permission for the mount point, but it gave me the same error I change the owner and group and now NTFS-3G says I don't have permission to mount.
13:51<ml|>Karth: do a minimal install and build from there
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13:52<Karth>alright, also what is reccommended as a window manager for such a pc?
13:52<TCW>vrkalak, for that small hdd, I'd suggest a very minimal debootstrapped install and only the things you need. As not a whole desktop environment, just the smallish xfce base or lxde base install (without all the goodies and stuff it may recommend), than 2GB is enough
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13:53<Kyuusai-San>imma going to try a different distro to see if it will work
13:53<Kyuusai-San>thanks for your help though
13:54<ml|>Karth: try openbox or perhaps fluxbox
13:54<ml|>very minimal wm try xmonad
13:55<vrkalak>i just built a net.install of Debian 'stable' with nothing but the xorg-system-core and Fluxbox . . . pretty light on resources and very fast
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13:56<TCW>err... sorry, I did mix some names up there :)
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13:56<Karth>sounds good, also, anyone know if debian supports a system with 2 pentium II processors?
13:56<TCW>Karth, you mean as in SMP?
13:57<Karth>as in 2 physical CPUs
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13:57<TCW>Karth, which SMP means :)
13:57<Karth>:P sorry didn't know that acronym
13:57<TCW>and yes
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13:59<moebius>here's a deal. You unban me and i'll stop using tor to come in. I'm doing a noble thing by informing you. You know, it's not hard for me, i just wanna do right things.
14:00<Karth>now how difficult is it to start from a minimal install and build from there, considering my linux experience level isn't too high
14:00<moebius>Cause if you ban me now again i'll never ever tell you who i am. I'll just keep coming and get any help i need.
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14:02<MrFrood>Karth: if you can use apt|aptitude then you probably can do it
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14:03<Karth>really haven't used apt in a couple years, don't honestly remember how
14:03<moebius>anyways, i have some weird arrows on my upper and bottom right corners.
14:03<moebius>how to remove it
14:03<moebius>using gnome
14:03<moebius>Debian squeeze
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14:04<TCW>Karth, we are very helpful here, so ithere shouldn't be a big issue at all. But sure, you need to understand at least a few concepts like using a terminal / bash and may be willing to read something about GNU/Linux in general if you do not know a thing about it
14:04<Karth>I do know how to use the terminal, have debian on an emachine that took quite a bit of tweaking
14:04<Karth>just used the package manager though
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14:05<MrFrood>Karth: read up on either/both apt or aptitude
14:05<TCW>Karth, then everything should be fine
14:06<Karth>ah ok, suppose I can just bring the laptop over here and bug you guys when I get stumped then
14:07<moebius>it may have something to do with compiz though..
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14:07<TCW>Karth, thats the idea one could have, yes :)
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14:07<TCW>moebius, when you try to grab those edges with the mouse, are the panels resizeable?
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14:08<Karth>well thanks for awnsering my questions, I'll give that a go tonight
14:08<moebius>TCW, nope. But the cursor changes, like it's supposed to resize it
14:08<moebius>but it doesn't
14:08<TCW>Karth, btw. ever sued debootstrap to install debian?
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14:09<TCW>moebius, try "metacity --replace" in a terminal to kick compiz for a moment... are those "things" still there?
14:09<moebius>i somehow removed it while fiddling with compiz.. but when restarted it appeared again..
14:09<moebius>actually.. i think that happened before i installed compiz
14:09<moebius>when i enabled metacity in gnome settings
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14:09<moebius>or no... composite thing
14:09<moebius>yep, that's it
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14:10<moebius>and replace works now already, when i installed it i've changed the line to autostart compiz instead of standard windows manager
14:10<moebius>so that thing appeared before
14:10<Karth>tcw: no I have not
14:11<Karth>I figured I'd use a cd to do it, I can't boot any other way anyway on that pc
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14:12<TCW>Karth, even a base debian install without anything is rather big compared to debootstrap...
14:13<moebius>TCW, ok... i'll do it just to "kick" it
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14:15<Karth>ah, so how would I go about doing that?
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14:15<TCW>Karth, debootstrap?
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14:16<Karth>tcw: yeah
14:17<TCW>Karth, are you afraid of reading? :)
14:17<Karth>tcw:not really
14:17<TCW>Karth, but basically... I'd go from e.g. grml live cd, it has debootstrap "built-in"
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14:18<moebius>well... that made my windows manager crashg
14:18<moebius>had to restart
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14:19<TCW>Karth, that may be the most easy way to install debian in a very lean way :)
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14:24<Karth>ah ok, do I need to use a specific parameter to make it install light, or does it do it by default
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14:25<jhutchins_lt>Karth: By default it's minimal.
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14:25<jhutchins_lt>Karth: Just enough to get the system running & online and you add what you want from there.
14:26<Karth>ah I see, does it support wireless PCMIA cards/USB ethernet cards out of the box?
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14:27<BullHorns>Ok I attempted to ask a question earlier and I realize now I didn't actually ask what the fix was. What I want to ask now is; does any one know how to properly set up FUSE and NTFS-3G? It would be nice if users could mount NTFS with out having to use su to mount. I might have missed something when I was googling around
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14:30<DrewWG>Okay I previously asked this question too on freenode; I'm having issues mounting an NTFS drive. I've already added my self to the FUSE group; the error it was giving me stopped but it started saying I didn't have permissions to write to the mount point so I chmod to give every one permission for the mount point, but it gave me the same error. I changed the owner and group and now NTFS-3G says I don't have permission to mount. Any possible solution th
14:30<DrewWG>one of you all might be able to give me? We're both having the same problem, we've got dual man power on Google - communicating via Skype - and we still haven't figured it out.
14:31<sney->the direction you're going, the next step would be to run the ntfs-3g binary setuid root
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14:32<sney->it's a hacky way to do it and not really supported by sane sysadmins, but on a single-user system it doesn't really matter
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14:32<BullHorns>Ugh, we really want to know how to do it for a multi-user system
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14:34<sney->have you gone through dpkg's 'user accessible ntfs' factoid yet?
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14:34<BullHorns>probably not.
14:34<sney->!user accessible ntfs
14:34<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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14:43<tash>,versions iceweasel
14:43<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; sid: 8.0-3+b1; wheezy: 8.0-3+b1; experimental: 9.0~b5-1
14:44<tash>I want 9.0~b5-1 on stable, is there a way to do so? it has some broken dependencies with "-t experimental"
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14:44<tash>wait. I guess
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14:45<sney->tash: first take experimental out of your sources.list
14:46<sney->tash: second, the 'beta' repo should have iceweasel 9 by now. 'release' has 8
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14:48<DrewWG>My external drive is recognized by fstab, because it already has its mount point. In the options it can be mounted by users, however, I still cannot mount the drive without being root for some reason. Any other good ideas?
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14:50<dondelelcaro>DrewWG: what does the /etc/fstab entry say?
14:50<dondelelcaro>DrewWG: is mount suid? is this Debian?
14:51<sney->pmount might involve less headache now that I think of it
14:51<DrewWG>Yes, this is Debian. The /etc/fstab entry says: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0. I don't know what mount suit means.
14:51<sney->especially if you want users to be able to mount any ntfs volume, not just a specific one.
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14:52<BullHorns>I have pmount installed on my system
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14:55<dondelelcaro>DrewWG: and what happens when you mount /media/usb0 ?
14:56<DrewWG>I get this error: ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/usb0 .
14:56<DrewWG>I've already changed the permissions to allow writing too.
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15:01<dondelelcaro>DrewWG: what are the permissions of /media/usb0?
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15:03<BullHorns>What's the command lh? I can't remeber
15:03<BullHorns>I'm working on the same issue as Drew
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15:06<DrewWG>I get this out of stat: Access: (0777/drwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
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15:11<nano->Is the packager of llvm here?
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15:18<BullHorns>NTFS-3G says I don't have permission to mount now that I've fixed the permissions
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15:28<stopgo>Hi there. I have a fresh debian install that doesn't seem to be installing bins. Not sure if it's just python packages' bins, but, say, I aptitude install python-coverage but /usr/local/bin is completely empty
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15:29<Nemoder>stopgo: generally /usr/local is only for programs installed from source, packages mostly go in /usr/bin/
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15:30<babilen>stopgo_: And python-coverage installs /usr/bin/python-coverage -- You can list all files installed by a package with "dpkg -L PKG"
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15:32<stopgo_>babilen: a ha it prefixes them cool. Thanks. (think i missed your first message got disconnected)
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15:34<babilen>!tell stopgo_ -about fhs
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15:34<sney->BullHorns, DrewWG - sunday is not a very good day for support, try again during the week
15:34<babilen>stopgo_: /usr/local will not be used by the package manager
15:34<stopgo_>Thanks for the dpkg tip, I was looking for a list command in aptitude but didn;t see what I needed.
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15:35<BullHorns>Really the only thing I need now is to figure out how to change permissions in NTFS-3G and Tuxera's site is.... poor on support
15:36<stopgo_>babilen: i assume that was a link to the heirarchy std i'm on a mobile. I have it waiting to be read. Thanks again
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15:37<babilen>stopgo_: sure
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15:49<Skipper>Good greetings to all
15:49<Skipper>someone has some scripts to convert. avi to. mpg using Mencoder
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15:53<sney->Skipper: try asking in #mplayer on freenode
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15:54<s4br3>Has anyonetried Calligra office suite or knows if it is heading to debian?
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15:55<sney->isn't that just koffice?
15:55<s4br3>sort of
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15:56<s4br3>"In mid-2010, following disagreements between the core developers, the KOffice community split into two separate communities, KOffice and Calligra Suite."
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15:57<s4br3>But there is no .deb for Calligra as far as I can se
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15:58<sney->I'd ask in #debian-kde (and maybe come back tomorrow, sundays are usually slow)
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15:59<s4br3>When is this the busiest? Evenings or daytime?
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15:59<sney->working hours in north america / western europe
16:00<s4br3>ok. :) so people are when working :)
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16:00<devil>s4br3: someone is building it,
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16:00<s4br3>devil: thanks!
16:01<devil>s4br3: #debian-kde is best during EU work hours
16:01<sylar>what can I do so that user's firefox-bin will not eat up 60% cpu each?
16:01<s4br3>which when im away from the pc...
16:01<s4br3>sylar: block the history etc?
16:02<sylar>sylar: how is that gona help?
16:02<sylar>s4br3: ^
16:02<s4br3>less memory in use
16:03<sylar>s4br3: the problem is cpu%
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16:03<s4br3>I don't allow anything to be stored never have any issues with iceweasel
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16:04<sylar>s4br3: how many users run on your machine?
16:04<s4br3>60% per user?!
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16:05<abrotman>uh ...
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16:05<sylar>s4br3: yes ,
16:05<sylar>s4br3: I think it is site dependent though
16:05<s4br3>120% for two users? ;)
16:06<sylar>s4br3: lucky I have a quad core
16:06<s4br3>Use adblock or something?
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16:06<s4br3>as a plugin
16:06<sylar>I think I have flashblock
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16:07<s4br3>have a link to one bad site?
16:07<s4br3>i twould be interesting to see
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16:09<s4br3>(or maybe not...)
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16:12<bboyjose>hay alguien k hable español?¿
16:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:12<bboyjose>hay alguien o no?¿
16:14<sylar>I am trying to determine that site
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16:15<ml|>sylar: he left
16:16<sylar>ml|: OK.
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16:16<sylar>it is difficult to run a multi user machine wehn each crappy site can bring the preformance down so much
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16:19<sney->sylar: see if the problem remains with a different version of iceweasel or with chromium
16:20<sylar>sney-: how? I am stuck with whatever squeeze give me
16:21<ml|>check out
16:21<ml|>oh, .net
16:21<sylar>I have added noscript to one user, and the usage dropped from 60% to 0%
16:21<sney->yes, it'd have to be scripts or flash triggering it
16:21<ml|>was about to recommend NS ;)
16:22<sney->newer iceweasel may have it more under control though.
16:22<sylar>I just wonder if my users will be able to use sites with noscript
16:23<ml|>once NS is setup all should be fine, but linke sney- said try another version of iw or another browser
16:23<sylar>I have 3.5.something
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16:24<ml|>version 8 is much improved
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16:24<sylar>version 8 doesn't exist for me
16:25<sylar>most I can get is 3.6
16:25<sney->it is at that link I just gave you
16:25<sney->iceweasel version 'release' is 8
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16:25<ml|>goga: ^
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16:25<sylar>sney-: i thought that was the squeeze realease, but cool
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16:26<sylar>shoudl I trust
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16:26<sney->yes, it's run by the same team that packages the stable iceweasel
16:26<sney->'release' on that page refers to the version currently considered a release by
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16:36<sylar>things just disappear with noscript
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16:37<sylar>I expect my users would not like it
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16:44<scraze>sylar: noscript takes a bit of getting used to; for many sites it ends up being not very user friendly, but that is because of the design of the site (including js from 3rd parties all around) * the design of NoScript in which you explicitly allow every single domain instead of the blanket 'ok, load everything' thing browsers do by default, which is very flawed from a security standpoint
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16:46<sylar>scraze: well, I need to serve my users, so it will be up to them, if they could stomach noscript
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16:48<scraze>seems reasonable, it's mostly their security that is at play with javascript (XSS stealing cookies / session ids / passwords / history, is all related to the user)
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16:49<sylar>scraze: and also seeing whatever is on the site. They might complain later that they spent hours of work, since some item was hidden
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17:43<Arpuus>Is there anyway to check at what exact time a package was installed ?
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17:44<petemc> /var/log/dpkg.log
17:44<Arpuus>using squeeze with gnome. standard install via netinstaller
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17:47<Arpuus>Didnt really show anything i suspected. Any chance something installed without ending up in that log file ?
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17:48<abrotman>such as ?
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17:49<ml|>Arpuus: if you used aptitude, you can also look at /var/log/aptitude
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17:50<Arpuus>Just found this remmina in my app list, cant remember installing it, and not sure if its installed per default
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17:50<Arpuus>thx btw
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17:52<petemc>Arpuus: zgrep package /var/log/dpkg.log.*.gz
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17:52<ml|>Arpuus: you can use 'aptitude show foo' to see if it was automatically installed
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17:56<Arpuus>Automatically installed: yes. So installed by debian during install right
17:57<Arpuus>Love this system, Nothing is hidden. Other stuff i could check if someone has been in my system ?
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18:00<scraze>Arpuus: security tools are not installed by default, but those have ways to check on that, so it's probably a good thing to install those right away; see for instance rkhunter & tripwire
18:02<Arpuus>Thx scraze.
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18:04<scraze>there are some things you can try without those tools though, like check logs /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/syslog (and possibly others, /var/log/user.log if you're using PHP & suhosin), 'last' will show logins (ssh / ftp, but not shell access through cgi)
18:04<zulu>Hi, I'm trying to configure awesome with lxsession. As told in /usr/share/doc/lxsession, I created a script (called in rc.local) which launch "exec /usr/bin/lxsession -s awsome but without success... anyone?
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18:05<scraze>and in case someone did get a shell and used it without covering his tracks, /path/to/user/home/.bash_history will contain his actions
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18:07<Bushmills>samhain may be something to look at
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18:10<ml|>Arpuus: look into logwatch package
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18:13<Arpuus>Alot of options
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18:14<Arpuus>System log viewer had alot of log files, also those mentioned here, easy way to view them
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18:16<moebius>i've changed my mouse pointer to black... why is it black only in opera and some other parts, but on the desktop it's still white?
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18:18<Arpuus>scraze: That bash_history, is that file cleared on reboot cause none of my actions are in it ? There are some. not mine though
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18:23<scraze>Arpuus: .bash_history is not automatically cleared but a) holds only a limited amount of lines (default is 500) b) the commands are written to ~/.bash_history when the session is closed, so your current shell's commands won't be in it and neither will those of shells that were open during a hard crash
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18:24<scraze>Arpuus: see man bash 's description of the variables HISTCONTROL, HISTFILE, HISTFILESIZE, HISTIGNORE etc.
18:24<moebius>why my mouse pointer isn't black
18:24<scraze>moebius: it's probably important which DE & WM you're using (gnome? metacity?)
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18:25<moebius>erm.. gnome and compiz...
18:25<moebius>metacity is off now i think.. but let me re-check
18:25<ml|>and perhaps you may need to log[out-in] for changes to fully take affect
18:26<moebius>nah.. done already...
18:26<moebius>that doesn't change it
18:26<Arpuus>scraze: Thanks, you mentioned a few exeptions on what can be in the file, Cant really see whats left as a cause for lines to be in that file.
18:26<ml|>moebius: how did you change it?
18:26<moebius>yeah, compositing manager is off
18:26<moebius>well i just went to pointer section in options and changed it to black
18:26<moebius>how else could i do it?
18:26<moebius>i've noticed this before actually...
18:26<scraze>Arpuus: it shouldn't contain commands that you didn't enter afaik .. if you're not sure whether it's suspicious, perhaps paste to ? (if it doesn't contain sensitive information)
18:26<ml|>with update-alternatives
18:27<moebius>should i do that?
18:27<moebius>i don't use these commands much
18:28<scraze>i think ml| means how did you change from metacity to compiz
18:28<moebius>i installed it, edited xorg.conf as follows in wiki... and then "metacity --replace"
18:28<ml|>was asking on the pointer
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18:29<scraze>whoops, sorry :]
18:29<Bushmills>should be compiz --replace
18:29<ml|>'update-alternatives --display x-cursor-theme' might help, but I don't use gnome
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18:30<moebius>well yes, it's compiz replace i think
18:30<moebius>ok, let me try this..
18:30<moebius>moebius@moebius:~$ update-alternatives --display x-cursor-theme
18:30<moebius>x-cursor-theme - auto mode
18:30<moebius> link currently points to /usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursor.theme
18:30<moebius>/usr/share/icons/DMZ-Black/cursor.theme - priority 30
18:30<moebius>/usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursor.theme - priority 90
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18:33<sumo_su>i'm surprised. 4 hours on debian and i havent broken it yet:))
18:34<Arpuus>scraze: Thx. pastes commung up
18:35<moebius>i think i've got it..
18:35<moebius>that's what it is
18:35<moebius>and it was white there.
18:35<moebius>now i'll log out..
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18:37<Arpuus>scraze: bash_history. Nothing really upsetting imo
18:38<Arpuus>rkhunter check: > A few things maybe
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18:40<sumo_su>does the 486 kernel have any disadvantages on a 1 core system like a pentium M?
18:40<scraze>Arpuus: looks mostly like something was run off of a cd, which would make sense if it is a virtualbox VM and someone installed the guest additions the non-debian way (that is, having the host mount a vbox CD on the guest, then executing on the virtual vbox guest additions CD)
18:40<sney->I don't think it supports mmx/sse extensions
18:40<nevyn>yes but they may be outweighed by being uniprocessor
18:41<nevyn>depending on your use case.
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18:42<sumo_su>not sure what mmx/sse is used for these days
18:42<Arpuus>scraze > I agree the action looks fine, but if that was the case, then those commands would have been run by the OS or a package when the os started. I installed the guestos via virtualbox gui, not by the command line.
18:42<scraze>Arpuus: rkhunter's warning about Xzibit is possibly a false positive but best to check /var/log/rkhunter.log and find exactly what's causing rkhunter to consider it a possibility, perhaps it finds something in an init script that is perfectly harmless but could be suspicious
18:42<Arpuus>With a di instead of "dir" in that log it rings a bell that its not by me or the os startup process
18:42<nevyn>sumo_su: flash, mplayer, xine etc use it heavilly md uses it
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18:43<Arpuus>scraze: agree it could very well be just that, checking
18:43<sumo_su>nevyn: oh ok thanks. so i will need it
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18:44<scraze>Arpuus: I'm not sure how the vbox GUI installs its guest additions to its guests .. but if there haven't been any other virtual cds mounted than the guest additions cd (which it does automatically if you install it through the GUI), then you can be sure it was just the guest additions autorun
18:44<scraze>Arpuus: only thing I can't place is the 'arm' command, not sure what it's supposed to do
18:45<scraze>Arpuus: btw, in addition to what others suggested (samhain & logwatch), chkrootkit and tiger are also valuable packages :]
18:48<Arpuus>arm is a tor control package. not a real safety problem. But installed by me and has not init run manually each time
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18:49<Arpuus>It does make sense that some commands are run each time the vm starts, autorun on the guest os is logical. But all the cd .. "di" and "dir" commands, why would any startup process run those.mmm
18:49<scraze>good :] those su's seem to indicate that this is the .bash_history of the regular user, root's bash_history may be interesting as well
18:50<scraze>well, since the .bash_history is not cleared on reboot, those are probably from the install
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18:51<Arpuus>okay. will check roots bash history too. Here are the rkhunter log regarding those two warnings.
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18:53<Arpuus>forgot the hidden dirs in a few directories. false positives most likely >
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18:55<scraze>those warnings indeed relate to harmless situations, see /usr/share/doc/rkhunter/README.Debian.gz 's section on FALSE POSITIVES (forgot about that :] sorry), it also suggests an option how to get rid of that message
18:55<scraze>of course you can also choose to ignore it but the downside is that if one day the Xzibit rootkit really were to be installed, you probably wouldn't notice :]
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18:56<Arpuus>Would be the exploit to use for any hacker
18:57<scraze>yes, in an indirect way false positives are a security flaw
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18:57<Arpuus>Thx so much scraze. i dont think someone has tampered with things. But when your cursor starts to move around without you touching the mouse can get most worried
19:00<scraze>eep, that does indeed sound scary. I'd think someone VNC'ed into the VM or even Xorg .. that is, if it moves around in a significant way?
19:00<metaspike>maybe there's something bloking your mouse lazer :)
19:01<Arpuus>metasplike > trackball
19:02<scraze>hah, I was just to say: or, if you're like me, you're using a cheap wireless keyboard that came with a mouse but are using a trackball, and the wireless mouse is lying somewhere with the battery still inside, and it's moving around because of stuff lying on top of it or something
19:03<Arpuus>will examine host sysetm as well. But i have etherape and a few other apss running logging each connection. There were no connections to host or vm that i was out of the usual. If someone did vnc in and got my screen loaded remote it would require bandwidth. there was none.
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19:03<Arpuus>scraze > Lol, close but no wireless here
19:03<metaspike>meh, faulty mouse? unplug it and see if it still happens.
19:04<scraze>indeed it would, so then it's probably some type of error (software, hardware, .. human ;]?)
19:05<metaspike>recalibrate your trackball!
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19:07<Arpuus>scraze > what i really need is a firewall that can log all connections, currently its on the fly, need to watch it while it happens
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19:08<Arpuus>Looked at firewalla and etherape 1 sec after my cursur bailed on me, nothing, but for future use a complete log of incomming and outgoing connections would be sweet
19:08<scraze>Arpuus: iptables is what apps use to create firewalls, and also log certain type of packets; secondly you can use a packet sniffer like snort to do more of a deep packet inspection kind of thing
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19:09<scraze>also you can log absolutely everything with tcpdump or tcpflow (the second is somehwat easier)
19:09<sajuukkhar>hey guys im using debian squeeze, just set my 1080p tv screen as my VGA1 connection and used xrandr to get it to 1920x1080, but the screen is shifted to the left by 50-100 pixels and I dont know why, is it to do with debian and my graphics drivers or the tv?
19:10<scraze>Arpuus: there are many apps managing iptables firewalls so I can't really recommend one, but ferm is tiny and sweet imnsho
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19:11<metaspike>sajuukkhar, it has to do with all of the above really (debian, graphics driver, tv). the easiest solution would be to recalibrate (auto-adjust) the TV?
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19:12<Arpuus>scraze > thx Firestarter looks very good too. using it but cant really get it to log or enforce any rules
19:12<sajuukkhar>metaspike, rightio let me see if i can do that
19:13<Arpuus>tcpflow sounds the part, and like top app
19:13<sajuukkhar>metaspike, actually the tv says 'unsupported signal, adjust your PC output' on it, might be the debian?
19:14<metaspike>are you using an hdmi interface?
19:14<sajuukkhar>vga connection
19:14<metaspike>hdmi cable*
19:15<sajuukkhar>i know the drivers can do a 1080p res, cos i did it with a 22" BenQ screen
19:15<sajuukkhar>and i got this tv to do 1080p with 10.10 ubuntu
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19:22<Arpuus>Guesing from this paste it would not be wise to run apt-get autoremove. Strange
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19:23<metaspike>aptitude is more likely to give you an explanation
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19:24<Arpuus>autoclean is then with aptitude..
19:25<metaspike>sajuukkhar, it could be running at a the same res but with a different hz. point is any difference may cause the tv display to show the picture differently, so it's probably easier to just recalibrate the tv :p
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19:29<onryo>are there TMP modules that will allow the user to generate their own keys. The fact that the DOD will demands that all computers their users to use TMP is reason enough not to trust it. vPro and its sub functions can gravely be misused in out of band communications. TXT can be a be used to make the hw mush safer.
19:29<metaspike>Arpuus, when running simply - sudo aptitude install - it seems aptitude will try and solve whatever marked changes have been made. - sudo aptitude- gives the gui which can be used to unmark changes / run the resolver.
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19:30<onryo>In short I would use TMP if I could generate my own private keys
19:32<onryo>We are talking about sub ring 0 power here. Something that no OS has any say over
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19:39<onryo>As it stands now your private key is given to you. I dont think for one second that the user is the only one with that private key.
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19:50<brunomaximom>hi guys
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19:53<brunomaximom>do you know why empathy stopped to notify new messages received from contacts in gnome-shell?
19:54<cthuluh>gnome-shell sounds like testing/unstable ; you'd better ask in #debian-next
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20:07<baul>I dont see devede in the software center for xfce could I apt-get install instead ?
20:07<baul>or isthere an alternative ?
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20:13<baul>devede for debian or something else ?
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20:13<dpkg>DeVeDe is an application for creating CDs/DVDs for use in home players, from any source format supported by <MPlayer>. Packaged in Debian Multimedia, ask me about <dmm>.
20:14<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
20:14<baul>zacklee !
20:14<baul>I have non-free in there
20:15<baul>i'll try the link...thanks
20:15<craigevil>devede is in the repo you need to add it to your sourceslist
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20:58<metaspike>is there an easy way to tag / manage code segments "snippets"? im getting buried by different projects, parts of which id like to organise for abstraction as simply as possible. some tool, method or ide in particular? thanks.
20:58<metaspike>besides emacs clipper :p
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20:59<cthuluh>try skeleton-mode / yasnippet ;)
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21:03<sajuukkhar>how would I get access to the gtkmm 3.0 packages on synaptic? I only get 2.4 :|
21:03<metaspike>cthuluh, choice thanks!
21:03<blarson>,versions gtkmm
21:03<judd>No package named 'gtkmm' was found in i386.
21:04<sajuukkhar>,versions libtkmm
21:04<judd>No package named 'libtkmm' was found in i386.
21:04<sajuukkhar>,versions libtkmm-3.0-dev
21:04<judd>No package named 'libtkmm-3.0-dev' was found in i386.
21:04<sajuukkhar>,versions libtkmm-2.4-dev
21:04<judd>No package named 'libtkmm-2.4-dev' was found in i386.
21:04<sajuukkhar>,versions libgtkmm-3.0-dev
21:04<judd>Package: libgtkmm-3.0-dev on i386 -- wheezy: 3.0.1-1; sid: 3.2.0-1
21:05<cthuluh>please /query judd
21:05<sajuukkhar>okay so what does that mean ?
21:05<sajuukkhar>synaptic doesn't have it, so should i just apt-get it instead?
21:05<blarson>sajuukkhar: it's in testing and unstable only
21:06<sajuukkhar>blarson, aha thanks
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21:41<sajuukkhar>If i have the gtkmm-documentation package installed, where would I find the documentation? :S
21:44<baul>i the devede in testing ?
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21:45<sney>sajuukkhar: in /usr/share/doc usually
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21:54<ml|>judd: versions devede
21:54<judd>Package: devede on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.12c-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 3.16.9-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 3.17.0-0.0; sid-multimedia: 3.20.0-0.0
21:54<ml|>baul: ^
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21:58<sajuukkhar>sney, thanks for that mate
21:58<sumo_su>newbie question... i updated my kernel from 2.6.x to 3.0.x . Is it normal that nothing breaks?
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21:59<sney>sumo_su: depends on what the 2.6.x was. but even from 2.6.32 they're not that far apart
21:59<sney>the only thing that might break is a program specifically looking for a 2.6.x version string
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22:00<sumo_su>so the kernel doesnt affect programs that much, its more of a hardware thing?
22:00<sney>remember that 3.0.0 was originally called 2.6.40. The biggest thing that changed is the numbers
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22:01<sumo_su>ages ago i went forth and back from 2.4 to 2.6 and it was quite a nightmare. i thought 2.6 to 3.0 would be as bad
22:01<sney>yeah, 2.4 to 2.6 was a huge deal
22:01<sumo_su>oh ok
22:01<sney>2.6 to 3.0 is just "linus decided to change something for no reason"
22:01<sumo_su>ok i see. and 3.2 is on the way:)
22:02<scraze>sumo_su: see ;]
22:02<sumo_su>just like friefox went babysteps and suddenly released a new full number release every other day?:)
22:03<sney>or the time java went 2.4, 2.5, 2.6, 6
22:03<sumo_su>ok then. gnome 2 vs gnome 3 seems to be a huge issue though
22:03<sney>that one is yes
22:03<sney>currently breaking everyone's testing/unstable installs
22:04<sumo_su>oh yea python 2.6 vs 2.7 sucks too.
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22:04<sney>never mind python 3
22:05*sumo_su eats garlic and sprays holy water
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22:06<sney>anyway yes linux kernel 3.x is the least of our problems these days
22:06<sumo_su>vlc went 1.0 this year i think? all that understatement
22:06<sney>wa5qjh: you have to type /join first
22:07<tash>sney: Ty bro, it works
22:07<wa5qjh>loookin for jentron. you seen him ?
22:07<sney>tash: I don't remember what I told you but glad I could help :)
22:07<sney>wa5qjh: nope
22:08<wa5qjh> I haent been on here in avery long time..
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22:08<tash>sney: the non-experimental upgrade to iceweasel beta
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22:09<sney>tash: oh, from ? no problem. and it is iceweasel 9?
22:09<wa5qjh>so not sure if I'm on #flightgear or not.
22:09<sney>wa5qjh: you're on #debian.
22:09<tash>sney: yep, 9
22:09<sney>tash: good to know
22:09<tash>sney: I needed it for greasemonkey
22:10<wa5qjh>and if not, how to get there.
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22:10<sney>wa5qjh: you have to type /join #flightgear
22:10<wa5qjh>ah, thanks
22:10<sumo_su>another newbish question... testing mint debian here and i dowloaded 300mb of updates in the update manager... it was damn slow, even for my slow connection
22:10<sumo_su>is that normal?
22:10<sney>sumo_su: sorry, you're on #debian, we don't support mint. you should go to #linuxmint-help on, they will be able to answer that question
22:11<OmgItsANoob>hi room. anyone willing to give two min of their time to answer a noob debian lenny server/gnome/vnc/user account question pls?
22:11<sney>OmgItsANoob: just ask :)
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22:12<OmgItsANoob>ok so its a debian server and its got root and a seconduser account (let's say user2) i can access both with putty and i have installed gnome and vnc server as root...
22:12<sumo_su>sney: oh. i accidentially closed #mint-debian or something
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22:13<OmgItsANoob>how to i enable gnome for the user2> do i have to install it again?
22:13<sumo_su>no wait. how did i get here in the first place? lol
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22:13<sney>sumo_su: a lot of based-on-debian distros' irc clients bring you here if you just hit connect without looking :P
22:14<OmgItsANoob>i have vnc on both but obviously no gui for user2 and thats what i need to access an app that's running as user2
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22:14<sney>you need to access an app that user2 is already running? which vnc server did you install?
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22:15<sumo_su>sney: yea that must be it.. i thouht this was the deban sectoin of the mint server. i apologize:)
22:15<sney>sumo_su: no worries so long as you understand... a lot of people go on to insist that we should help them
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22:16<sumo_su>sney: yea good point actually! help me or i want my money back! :))
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22:16<sney>sumo_su: you could always go OG and install debian
22:16<OmgItsANoob>i used root to upgrade user2 to admin access vs a normal user
22:16<sney>OmgItsANoob: each vnc process has to be started by the user whose desktop you want to access
22:17<sney>sumo_su: 'original gangsta' heh
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22:17<OmgItsANoob>i have vnc on both it's the gnome i need to start on user2
22:17<OmgItsANoob>i can see user2 via vnc but i need the gui
22:17<sney>OmgItsANoob: alternately, you could use xrdp, which handles both login and the desktop (and is a bit faster than vnc)
22:18<OmgItsANoob>you think i should uninstall the vnc?
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22:18<sney>OmgItsANoob: yes, if you want to see user2's desktop via vnc then user2 needs to run vncserver
22:18<sney>xrdp is another choice. I think it would be easier in your case.
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22:19<OmgItsANoob>i can see the desktop (grey background and command line) on user2 but i need the gnome gui to run like it is in root where i installed it
22:19<OmgItsANoob>i figured installing it as root would mean all users could run gnome?
22:19<sney>it does
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22:19<sumo_su>sney: i love preconficured stuff that i can then uncoficure or break:) so i'm here running debian. mint edition.
22:20<metaspike>sumo_su, still, debian mint uses debian repostories, maybe you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* to select a closer debian server to the one that's currently selected. although synaptic / mint might provide something that for that we cant really say so because it is #debian not #debian-mint :)
22:20<sney>sumo_su: join me in #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss that
22:20<OmgItsANoob>sney: how do i start gnome as user2? that is the command pls?
22:20<sumo_su>metaspike: yea sorry the question about the sever speed was misplaced here. i apologize.
22:21<sney>OmgItsANoob: only root can install programs, installing gnome as root installs it for everyone.
22:21<sney>OmgItsANoob: did you run vncserver before or after installing gnome?
22:21<OmgItsANoob>vnc after gnome but vnc works on both user2 and root
22:21<OmgItsANoob>gnome just on user2
22:21<OmgItsANoob>user2 was established before installing either
22:22<metaspike>no problem
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22:22<sney>there might be a 'startgnome' command or something like it but it's not recommended to do that inside an existing X session
22:22<sney>OmgItsANoob: can you kill user2's vncserver process and start it again, then try connecting again?
22:23<OmgItsANoob>ok ill try that
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22:30<OmgItsANoob>ok done. what next?
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22:32<sney>OmgItsANoob: you restarted the vnc server? can you try connecting to it now?
22:34<OmgItsANoob>you want me to restart it as user2 or root?
22:34<sney>I said user2
22:34<OmgItsANoob>i killed both vncs to be safe
22:35<OmgItsANoob>ok it's up
22:35<sney>you shouldn't really have a vnc server running as root anyway
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22:35<OmgItsANoob>trying the viewer now
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22:35<OmgItsANoob>yano this "dont run as root" thing got me into this problem in the first place!
22:36<OmgItsANoob>is there a way on vnc server to specify the user account to join?
22:36<sney>but there is on xrdp
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22:36<sney>so you should just use xrdp and stop playing with vnc
22:36<OmgItsANoob>fair comment! :)
22:37<OmgItsANoob>vnc viewer window just closed after i entered the password :/
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22:37<OmgItsANoob>ok apt-get install xrdp is it?
22:37<sney>the viewer/client for the xrdp server is rdesktop on linux, and 'remote desktop connection' on windows
22:38<OmgItsANoob>are the two interchangeable? i should say im on win 7
22:38<OmgItsANoob>and i do that as root or user2, the xrdp install?
22:38<sney>only root can install programs
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22:39<OmgItsANoob>its installing and unpacking now :)
22:39<OmgItsANoob>ok i think we're good
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22:41<OmgItsANoob>wow ok we have a log in screen
22:41<OmgItsANoob>why on earth was i told to use vnc?!
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22:42<sney>OmgItsANoob: haha. vnc has been around for a lot longer
22:42<OmgItsANoob>ok so i logged in as user2 and it has gui!
22:42<sney>!congratulate OmgItsANoob
22:42<dpkg>Good show OmgItsANoob, you did it!
22:42*OmgItsANoob declares that sney can have her first born!
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22:43<sney>aw shucks
22:43<OmgItsANoob>ahhhh im into the app and everything!
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23:00<iiu7>I keep getting "Release file expired, ignoring (invalid since 23d 9h 38min 19s)" on one particular machine, but the same server works fine on another.
23:00<iiu7>Is there some way to clean out the release files or something?
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23:04<OmgItsANoob>hmmm another prob noob question: how do i restart the server?
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23:05<heikkila>OmgItsANoob, with the "reboot" command, or "shutdown -r now" or you can set now to be a specific time.
23:05<sney>OmgItsANoob: the xrdp server? 'service xrdp restart' as root
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23:06<OmgItsANoob>sorry, no the server im connecting to? is that possible?
23:06<iiu7>Damn, maybe if I fixed the date on the machine it would help!
23:06<sney>OmgItsANoob: see heikkila's comment
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23:07<OmgItsANoob>ill have a go at reboot thanks heikkila :)
23:07<heikkila>no worries
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23:08<OmgItsANoob>oooh "the system is going down for reboot NOW!" lol
23:09<heikkila>OmgItsANoob, heh, it's a bit entertaining. It's a broadcast sent to all logged in users
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23:12<OmgItsANoob>woo that worked a treat :)
23:12<OmgItsANoob>i should really uninstall the vnc server i think
23:13<OmgItsANoob>pointless having in on there choking things up
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23:16<OmgItsANoob>any tips on reducing server cpu load. poor thing is at 99% !
23:17<OmgItsANoob>spec is 2gb ram celeron 220 @ 1.2ghz 1tb hd
23:18<simonlnu>figure out what the problem is.
23:19<OmgItsANoob>is nautilus an essential process?
23:20<simonlnu>it's a process that is managing the icons on your desktop
23:21<OmgItsANoob>nothing is in double figures on the cpu use %
23:21<simonlnu>it'll come back (usually) if you kill it (like pkill nautilus)
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23:21<OmgItsANoob>max momeory use is 45mb but thats the app the server is for
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23:24<kop>OmgItsANoob: Often the best way to figure out what's consuming cpu is to use the ps command. It takes a bit of reading the man page though to get the right arguments. People usually cheat and run "top" (q to quit top). vmstat (say, "vmstat 10") tells you about resource consumption, as does iostat with disk IO utilization. "sar" is sometimes used as well. After that you get into tools that make you pretty graphs and so forth, which is fine for monitoring ov
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