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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-13

---Logopened Tue Dec 13 00:00:31 2011
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00:40<benjr>when i try and transfer data on/off my sd either through my phone (usb), or though a seperate usb sd card reader, i get my no file transfer progress window
00:40<benjr>whether i use cp or thunar, the files no matter how big appear as being on the sd card instantly
00:41<benjr>yet when i try to unmount the device, it says its tranfering a file, my file manager crashes, and it unmounts anyway
00:41<sney>sync
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00:48<benjr>sney, how do i use sync? i typed it on its own and there was no output, i typed it followed byt eh path to the sd card in question, it said "ignoring all arguements"
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00:55<sney>benjr: sync just makes all of the cached writes be written to disk
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00:56<sney>a lot of stuff like cp and mv are cached for later. sync makes the system move/copy the data _now_
00:56<sney>so you run 'sync' by itself and everything that was cached gets written.
00:56<benjr>ah so it doesnt need any arguements then for source/location etc, it just moves it all
00:57<sney>yes
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00:59<benjr>sney, is it possible to make my system always move stuff now (use sync) for any transfers to/from external media?
01:00<sney>yes, but I don't remember how
01:00<sney>'cached writes' is your google keyword for the night
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01:26<prem>hi all
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01:27<prem>when i take gnome-screenshot for current window with 0 seconds.,nothing appears
01:27<prem>is it supposed to work only with above 0 seconds?
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01:29<sney>prem: good question, I only ever use import. does it work if you set it to 1 second? is there anything in the bug tracker for gnome-screenshot?
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01:30<prem>sney, yeah it does work.,even in 0 seconds if i remove "include borders"., it is working
01:30<prem>i wonder why it is not working in 0 seconds with borders alone..! sney
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01:33<sney>prem: good question, it could be a bug, why don't you check http://bugs.debian.org/ for the same problem
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03:27<benjr>what do i use if i want to have access to the gui of another debian box in my network, so that the other box would no longer need its own monitor
03:27<jm_>depends what do you mean with GUI of another box
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03:29<benjr>ive got 2 debian boxes, ive setup NFS on one of them, i want to remove evreything but its power and network cable then shove it in a courner, yet still be able to get access to it remotely incase i need to change anything on it
03:29<melmothX>benjr: can't you just ssh into it?
03:29<jm_>you don't need gui for that
03:29<jm_>but if you do, ssh is enough in most cases
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03:30<benjr>im not the best at commandline, how big of a deal is it to get a gui too?
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03:31<melmothX>ssh -X and start a gui-app
03:32<melmothX>although you should consider to become comfortable with the command line, it's not that hard
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03:33<benjr>im reasonably sure i will be able to get by with only commandline, but i dont want to have to plug a monitor back into the box, so being pretty sure ill be ok isnt enough
03:34<melmothX>try ssh -X and start a gui app
03:34<benjr>ill setup ssh now then give that a go, thanks :)
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03:37<benjr>oh wow ssh seems to be setup already, i pretty sure i didnt configure it
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03:39<benjr>melmothX, oh awesome that works :)
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04:05<skmohan>hi, wen can i expect evolution-mapi on debian/testing
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05:15<yalu>I have an NFS question. mount requests should originate from a port under 1024 (client has privileges to use that port). But how can you recognize them? the destination port seems to be 2049 - nfs, but not all connections to that port are from source port < 1024
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05:42<alessandro>photshop
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05:52<jasonsmr>hello channel
05:52<jasonsmr>is anone using Amazons ES2?
05:52<jasonsmr>what do they mean by a looking at Amazons ES2 instances what is it meant eight-core 2 x Intel Xeon
05:52<jasonsmr> have no Idea
05:52<jasonsmr>is that a 8 core Intel xeon? or two intel Xeons equaling 8 cores?
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05:58<jmux>yalu: Why do you think the "mount requests should originate from a port under 1024"? A client always chooses any free port for communication, if not told otherwise. You can just limit the server port range for NFSv3.
06:00<yalu>jmux, from the NFS howto: "Adding the secure option to an /etc/exports means that it will only listed to requests coming from ports 1-1024 on the client, so that a malicious non-root user on the client cannot come along and open up a spoofed NFS dialogue on a non-reserved port."
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06:03<yalu>and I'm kinda confused because I'd expect to see a tcp/ip package from a port < 1024 to the port of mountd on the nfs server host, but instead the package goes to port 2049
06:05<erez>Hello, just upgraded to wheezy from Squeeze, and I got this repeated message: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
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06:08<babilen>erez: You could install realtek-firmware to get rid of the warning, but you only need it if you indeed have a rtl8168d NIC. This might very well be a false positive.
06:08<babilen>!tell erez -about rtl8168d
06:09<erez>babilen: So that's only about the realtek ethernet card?
06:10<jmux>yalu: 2049 is the server port used for NFSv4. The "secure" option just talks about the client port. Don't mix server and client.
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06:10<jmux>ports
06:10<erez>because I also have a problem with 3d drivers, and thought it's the same issue
06:11<jmux>yalu: Everyone can connect to ports < 1024, otherwise a lot of internet services could just be used as root ;-)
06:12<yalu>is says coming *from* ports 1-1024
06:12<babilen>erez: That warning is only related to your NIC, yes.
06:12<erez>oh, alright
06:13<erez>So, any idea wrt 3d drivers on Intel Corporation 82G35 Express?
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06:15<jmux>yalu: Yes - a client using port 1-1024 (src) connection to server 2049 (dst).
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06:18<jm_>erez: debian wiki wifi page can help -- http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
06:18<jmux>So the client had been started by root, otherwise it wouldn't be allowed to bind to the client port < 1024. You need a free port on the server and client.
06:18<erez>jm_: wrt 3d drivers?
06:19<jm_>erez: doh, G35 - I missed that, ignoe my remark
06:19<jm_>ignore*
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06:20<erez>jm_: nw ;)
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06:21<jm_>erez: in general 3D is a bit of a problem with older chipsets
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06:22<erez>True, however, this machine was running Fedora 15/6 until 2 days ago, and had Gnome-Shell running without much of an issue
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07:25<Volley>i'm a bit lost with consolekit / libpam-ck-connector / ... : what do i need to do on a debian wheezy to have the correct rights if i startx ? ( as in no [x|k|g]dm )
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08:28<bastiaan>morning
08:28<bastiaan>I have a problem with postfix installed with debian squeeze
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08:29<bastiaan>when running postalias, it hangs
08:29<bastiaan>(with 100% CPU)
08:29<bastiaan>sounds like a libdb problem, but no clue where to look for this
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08:44<bhuvan>Is there a software suite similar to zoho on debian that i can deploy on server?
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08:45<bhuvan>something like google docs and notebook that i can install on debian and run it for a lan?
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09:07<erez>hello, I just installed Wheezy, and it defaults back to gnome "classic", if I try running gnome-shell, I get "(gnome-shell:5415): Gdk-WARNING **: The program 'gnome-shell' received an X Window System error." and later " 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
09:07<erez> (Details: serial 143 error_code 1 request_code 136 minor_code 19)"
09:09<blast007>bhuvan: perhaps http://www.fengoffice.com/web/opensource/ ?
09:10<bhuvan>blast007, ok. I guess i heard about it few years back. Some how i forgot about it. let me check it now
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09:29<kn13>olAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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09:29<aracon>erez: perhaps this is a question for #debian-next
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09:35<erez>aracon: I'll try, thanx
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10:06<erez>hello, I've installed Wheezy and the 3d support is broken, using Intel 82G35 Express
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10:25<benjr>where are the executables for applications kept?
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10:26<benjr>i thought they might be in /bin but i cant find it there
10:27<amoe>benjr: /usr/bin generally
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10:27<benjr>amoe, ah there it is, thank you :)
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11:01<rpetre>#debian :)
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11:34<keep>Oi
11:34<keep>alguem ae?
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12:24<afuentes>is there a way to fisically pin point a /dev? i happen to have a /dev/sdb but i only have a harddrive
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12:26<scinl>Try typing "dmesg" and "mount" into a terminal just like that.
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12:28<afuentes>scinl, its not mounted and my dmesg shows sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
12:29<afuentes>may it be the cdrom?
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12:55<retrospectacus>morning debianers
12:56<laarmen>evening, debianer ;)
12:56<retrospectacus>lucky you :-)
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13:35<holycr4p>thanks everyone for doing such great work in the debian community.
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13:42<nodiscc>so, how do i *actually* apply a gtk3 theme after setting it in dconf-editor/gsettings?
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14:03<jthomas>i have a client with a have a debian "Lenny/sid" server (so i don't think it was Lenny Stable when it was built) that sometimes cannot find its USB hard drives; how can I reset this connection via SSH? unplugging and replugging them physically works, but I want to do this remotely
14:04<jthomas>Debian i686, 2.6.16.14
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14:05<jordanm>jthomas: try unmounting and remounting. its likely due to some kind of power saving feature of the drive
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14:06<jthomas>i've tried that but i get 'mount: special device UUID=b4ba3ec6-243c-45e4-a280-78245eb907d5 does not exist' which seems normal with this occasional; error at this remote office; the physical unplug and replug fixes this
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14:06<jordanm>jthomas: its the drive spinning down and shutting off when it is not in use?
14:06<jthomas>unsure but it just lost the connection and it was in use when that happened
14:07<jordanm>jthomas: the best solution might be to just buy a new enclosure
14:07<jthomas>this happens with multiple drives on this machine, i think its in the software
14:07<jthomas>which is what i want to reset
14:08<imhotep>jordanm & jthomas: f*ck your mother.
14:08<imhotep>ok?
14:08<jthomas>ok!
14:08<imhotep>ok.
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14:08<imhotep>nabýyonuz ibneler :p
14:08<mike>#debian
14:08<imhotep>mike f*ck your mother ok?
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14:09<jthomas>i think he's ok with that also
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14:10<mshuler> /kb imhotep ...
14:10<imhotep>mshuler f*ck you!
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14:10<imhotep>2 beer or not 2 beer ¦
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14:10<mshuler>to grow up, or not to grow up..
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14:12<Guest20308>Hi, I'm having a bit of trouble getting a network connection on a Dell Inspiron 2500. It has an Actiontec MP560LHD1 modem/NIC which some research has turned up uses an intel 82559 chip. I've found what looks like support for this in the firmware-linux-nonfree package; how do I install this onto the laptop with no network connection? I installed a bare-bones debian install using the large image cd1
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14:13<jordanm>!ops imhotep troll
14:13<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jordanm complains about: imhotep troll
14:13<jthomas>you'd need to get that .deb file, put it onto a USB drive or CDRom, copy to the other machine, and as root run 'dpkg -i firmwarefile.deb'
14:13<jthomas>Guest20308: you'd need to get that .deb file, put it onto a USB drive or CDRom, copy to the other machine, and as root run 'dpkg -i firmwarefile.deb'
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14:13<jthomas>thanks
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14:16<jordanm>jthomas: udevadm trigger would be the only guess I would have
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14:17<Guest20308>Thanks, I'll give it a go
14:18<jthomas>keep us posted Guest20308
14:18<jthomas>jordanm i'll give it a shot
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14:20<jthomas>the server doesn't have udev
14:20<jthomas>oh it does, but not udevadmin
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14:21<jthomas>or whateer
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14:28<Guest20308>OK, I sucessfully installed the package and can see so in aptitude, however the NIC is still not working. I guess this is because I need to configure it somehow. I can't even get ifconfig as it's not installed. Any pointers on where to look?
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14:29<Guest20308>/etc/network/interfaces just lists the loopback interface
14:29<jthomas>what is this, a NIC or a modem or a wireless card? you'll need ifconfig almost for sure
14:30<jthomas>you may need to restart networking to get the item recognized, or even a full reboot to ensure the drivers are loaded and the hardware is rcognized etx
14:30<Guest20308>a combination modem/NIC. I don't care about the modem, just want network.
14:30<Guest20308>I tried rebooting already
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14:30<jthomas>you need to have installed the networking parts tho, if you didn't install that then you're going to have a hard time getting networking to function
14:30<Guest20308>is ifconfig in another package somewhere that needs the same installation method
14:31<retrospectacus>ifconfig is in package "net-tools"
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14:32<Guest20308>net-tools is showing as installed in aptitude
14:32<retrospectacus>ifconfig must be run as root
14:33<retrospectacus>or like ''/sbin/ifconfig'' as normal user
14:33<Guest20308>I'm sorry, I've got to run. Thanks for your help, I may be back later
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14:35<blawiz>shift-num-lock does not activate keypad as mouse on my system. What packages are needed??
14:36<Pessimist>I have fglrx installed, hd 5670 on 6.0.3. I use compiz too. There are some delay sometimes when I click a menu item in gnome menu bar
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14:40<XeonBloomfield>Hello
14:40<XeonBloomfield>I've got problem with my notebook
14:40<XeonBloomfield>If I am not using Xorg + Xfce4 + GDM everything is right, when I use these apps it shows black screen just after "/dev initialization..."
14:41<XeonBloomfield>but worst and funny is - Xorg is running
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14:43<XeonBloomfield>What can I do if my notebook shows blank black screen after "/dev initialization..." during boot - system is working, but no picture on the screen (no X and no TTYs)?
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14:47<jthomas>XeonBloomfield can you change the driver, downgrade it maybe?
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14:48<XeonBloomfield>jthomas: it does not shows anything, SSH works and I see that everything seems to work with Xorg, but I cannot see any picture, even TTYs
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14:48<jthomas>yes, perhaps your video driver doesn't work
14:50<XeonBloomfield>jthomas: I searching reason in /var/log/messages
14:50<XeonBloomfield>jthomas: for fun - blank black screen turned itself down for power saving xD
14:50<jthomas>lol
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14:52<XeonBloomfield>jthomas: it is not funny at all - I move mousepad and what I see? blank black screen again ;)
14:55<XeonBloomfield>How can I disable monitor powersaving?
14:57<Pessimist>love debian.. performance is superb
14:57<XeonBloomfield>Pessimist: yeah
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15:04<sdfsdf>hi, i'm trying to build mysql workbench 5.2 on debian squeeze and it lames about some grt stuff, anyone compiled it with success?
15:07<nardev>why does lsof -i:80 | wc always shows more open/active files than ps aux | grepa apache | wc ?
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15:15<Guest20308>Hi I'm back; although I've got the firmware and net-tools packages installed I still can't get the laptop to realize it's got any interfaces beyond loopback. is there a command that will search for new NICs?
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15:36<dreamer>hmm, I'm trying to install this arm .deb of pdextended on squeeze: http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata , but there's one dependency that can't be met: libmagick++10 which I see is only for lenny. how could I resolve this?
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16:04<petrol91>Hi, I have a small problem with instaling debian system from debootstap. Becouse when im trying to instal kenrnel-486 it screaming that: nable to install new version of `/lib/modules/3.1.0-1-486/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/frontends/ds3000.ko': No space left on device, but /dev/loop0 8,0G 250M 6,8G 4% /
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16:06<valdyn>petrol91: so?
16:08<petrol91>what is the reason of problem?
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16:08<valdyn>petrol91: disk full
16:08<Mert>Hi
16:08<Mert>kann mir jemand helfen?
16:09<valdyn>Mert: english please or /j #debian.de
16:09<Mert>hi
16:09<Mert>can you help me please?
16:09<valdyn>!tell Mert -about ask
16:09<Mert>so
16:09<Mert>I have Xubuntu
16:09<Mert>and
16:09<valdyn>Mert: wrong channel
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16:09<Mert>oh ok
16:09<petrol91>no it isnt
16:09<petrol91> /dev/loop0 8,0G 250M 6,8G 4% /
16:10<valdyn>petrol91: im sure that is not the whole picture
16:10<petrol91> dev/sda4 192205852 102147780 80294572 56% /home
16:10<babilen>!ubuntuirc
16:10<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
16:10<valdyn>petrol91: try "df -i" instead
16:10<babilen>Mert: ^^
16:10<Mert>what is? :D
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16:11<petrol91>Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
16:11<petrol91>/dev/loop0 0 0 0 - /
16:11<Mert>how i can use aircrack?
16:11<valdyn>petrol91: what filesystem is loop0?
16:11<petrol91>btrfs
16:11<valdyn>petrol91: on which kernel?
16:11<petrol91>3.1
16:11<babilen>Mert: Try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net -- Good luck and have a nice day!
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16:12<valdyn>petrol91: guess btrfs is still broken then
16:12<petrol91>you think that?
16:12<valdyn>petrol91: yes
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16:12<petrol91>i will check comething
16:12<valdyn>petrol91: easy to find out, fill it up with cat or dd
16:13<valdyn>petrol91: or even better, untar something that contains files of realistic size for a debian package
16:14<petrol91>iv copying 600MB movie
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16:15<petrol91>it works
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16:15<petrol91>now i've try chrooted
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16:16<petrol91>it works to
16:17<petrol91>there is problem when i'm traying to unpack deb package
16:20<blast007>petrol91: are you able to copy the 600MB movie into the same location where that ds3000.ko file would have gone?
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16:22<petrol91>yes
16:22<blast007>definately weird then :)
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16:25<petrol91>ok, tomorow i will install it from CD
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16:25<petrol91>cy U
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16:40<ptr>anyone know what's going on with ANL's squeeze-updates mirror? The release file expired five days ago.
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17:14<Kvashir>hi all, i've a problem with 6.0.3 i can't make my audio working with alc269vb, i tried to install alsa drivers but still dont work... can anyone help me?
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17:25<AquaL1te>short simple question for the linux maintainers. is the debian linux kernel an actual vanilla kernel but patch wise maintained by debian? to put it in different terms, is the debian linux kernel tweaked or in any form special?
17:27<Corey>AquaL1te: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel
17:27<AquaL1te>i want to know this because i'm compiling my own kernel right now with grsecurity. i just want to know if i'm gaining of losing something with this
17:28<Corey>AquaL1te: You're gaining a support burden.
17:28<AquaL1te>Corey: so what are you saying? ask on #debian-kernel ? :P you have to be a bit more obvious ;-)
17:29<Corey>AquaL1te: Urm... do you raise your own cows instead of buying milk, too? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grsecurity
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17:29<AquaL1te>Corey: what kind of support? support for what? thanks for really responding right now ;-)
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17:30<AquaL1te>that's for the 2.6.32 kernel, and then you still have to compile that patch into the source of a vanilla kernel
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17:30<AquaL1te>i want a recent kernel
17:31<AquaL1te>i'm compiling 3.1.5 right now, the latest stable one
17:31<Corey>AquaL1te: What specific features do you require in 3.1?
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17:32<AquaL1te>speed, wonder patch, up2date hardware support
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17:32*Corey loses interest
17:32<AquaL1te>i'm not asking why i shouldn't need a debian kernel...
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17:33<AquaL1te>i'm asking what is special about it, now you state that it gives support. well what kind of extra support does it give?
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17:34<AquaL1te>Corey?
17:34<boba>He said support burden. As in, it's not as well tested as Debian's kernel images and if something goes wrong with the kernel you make for yourself, it's on you to figure out what's wrong with it
17:35<AquaL1te>okay, but it those are just vanilla compiled kernels in a debian package, then there is no difference at all
17:36<AquaL1te>that's what i'm asking ;-)
17:36<AquaL1te>common guys be a bit specific
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17:36<AquaL1te>i'll ask on the kernel channel
17:37<boba>http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/debianonly/view/linux-2.6/3.1.5-1
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17:38<AquaL1te>you guys really need to learn to communicate, what is it you're trying to say with that link boba?
17:39<AquaL1te>those commits could easily be just linux patch applied to the debian package
17:39<AquaL1te>it could also mean they are applying new patches to old kernels like they do with squeeze
17:39<boba>That could be as well. That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by being so combative.
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17:40<AquaL1te>well i ask a few simple questions i don't get a simple answer, why does it have to be so difficult? posting links without telling what the purpose is is also not helpful.
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17:41<simonlnu>AquaL1te: distro kernels are commonly patched beyond 'vanilla'
17:41<AquaL1te>if you don't know the answer, then don't answer
17:41<simonlnu>that link proves it....
17:42<AquaL1te>simonlnu: thank you! but i'm still interested in what kind of specialty the debian kernel patches have
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17:42<simonlnu>only arch-dependent
17:43<simonlnu>there's no "server" nor "desktop" kernels
17:43<AquaL1te>but what kind? in terms of tweaks? i can't just take your word on it
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17:43<simonlnu>there's no tweaks. you wanna tweak, build your own. that's kernel-package is for.
17:43<simonlnu>!kp
17:43<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
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17:44<AquaL1te>if i were to compile a kernel, which i'm doing already... what kind of disadvantages would i have compared to the debian kernels? that's the question. and that's the only answer i would like to hear :)
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17:45<Corey>AquaL1te: You'd do well to remember people here are volunteers.
17:45<AquaL1te>and i need a specific answer, 'less support' is not something i can work with
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17:45<retrospectacus>the disadvantage is that it might not work, and since you made it yourself, no-one is going to be able to help you (less support)
17:46<AquaL1te>Corey: correct, and i'm asking the question to the people who know they have the answer
17:46<Corey>AquaL1te: Exactly. "You need." You're not asking, you're demanding.
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17:46<Corey>Your problems aren't our problems, ergo demanding solutions doesn't work nearly as well as you might expect.
17:46<retrospectacus>we're *all* just debian users like you, you can't expect answers to every question
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17:48<AquaL1te>*sigh* i guess i'll just try the kernel i'm building right now. apparently no one knows the real wonder or specific benefits of the debian kernel. because i don't see what kind of work debian maintainers do besides packaging and patching it
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17:50<heikkila>It just works and you don't have to compile it yourself.
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17:50<Corey>heikkila: But how are you supposed to get the New Shiny like that? :-)
17:50<simonlnu>!sns
17:50<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
17:50<AquaL1te>heikkila: to have grsecurity in it i do ;-) it's not in the debian kernel
17:50<simonlnu>so put it in. geez.
17:51<Corey>No, but it *IS* an installable package.
17:51<retrospectacus>!grsec
17:51<dpkg>grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply. See also <kernel-package>, Debian bug #601113. http://www.grsecurity.net/ #grsecurity on irc.oftc.net, ##grsecurity on irc.freenode.net.
17:51<heikkila>Corey, hehe, use the backports I guess
17:51<AquaL1te>for 2.6.32, that doesn't compile into 3.1.5
17:51<Corey>Again, I've yet to hear a compelling reason to not go with the stock kernel plus the grsecurity package.
17:52<heikkila>AquaL1te, well, if you want grsecurity and it's not in the Debian kernel then I guess the Debian kernel has a disadvantage, but I think you could use the Debian kernel config and just add support for grsec.
17:52<simonlnu>bug them then. we're hardly the grsec maintainers...
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17:53<AquaL1te>debian doesn't have a good support for any kernel hardening package like selinux, apparmor and grsecurity, but that's not the issue here
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17:55<AquaL1te>i just wanted to know if i would lose anything by having my own grsec patched kernel. i guessed i didn't so i just asked here. apparently there is no specific reason to have a debian kernel (as far i read here). so thank you guys
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17:57<heikkila>AquaL1te, can't you just install the grsec-package?
17:58<AquaL1te>that package doesn't do anything until it's patched into the kernel source and recompiled
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17:58<AquaL1te>and that package is *only* for 2.6.32
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17:59<heikkila>aha
17:59<simonlnu>he said it 8 min ago
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18:18<Drz70>As usually I come here in need of help. Does ANYONE have darktable fpr squeeze ?
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18:18<babilen>Drz70: It is in backports -- /msg dpkg bdo
18:19<babilen>,versions darktable
18:19<judd>Package: darktable on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.9.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.9.3-1; wheezy: 0.9.3-1
18:19<Drz70>I need the AMD64
18:19<themill>,versions darktable --arch amd64
18:19<judd>Package: darktable on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 0.9.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.9.3-1; wheezy: 0.9.3-1
18:20<themill>Drz70: packages are compiled for all architectures
18:20<Drz70>thanks a lot
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18:23<nodiscc>Drz70: may I ask, have you tried rawtherapee ? How does it compete with darktable ?
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18:27<Drz70>@nodiscc No, not really. Darktable was recommended to me
18:27<nodiscc>Drz70: ok thanks
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19:15<goo>hello
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19:16<goo>I are an retarded and that is haha what makes me fnny
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19:16<abrotman>goo: do you need help with Debian ?
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19:16<goo>no
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19:37<nardev>why does lsof -i:80 | wc always shows more open/active files than ps aux | grepa apache | wc ?
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19:39<TheEvilOne>i'm having some troubles writing the live images onto a USB device from an Ubuntu system, is anyone able to help me out?
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19:39<TheEvilOne>when i try to cat <image>.iso > /dev/sdx, and then later boot to the drive, it says isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
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19:53<kix>TheEvilOne, try with dd
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19:55<rdebian>hi
19:55<rdebian>im brasilian
19:56<jordanm>!br
19:56<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:57<TheEvilOne>should the live ISO be able to run on a netbook if the netbook is able to run Debian 6?
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19:58<petemc>more than likely
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20:35<Moebius>hi
20:35<Moebius>i have a weird problem, which is actually common for all linux distros i think..
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20:36<Moebius>copy/paste works for as long as the source application containing text string is opened, if i close it - buffer is empty
20:36<Moebius>how do i fix this?
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20:37<TheEvilOne>i dont think you can classify a problem common for all linux distros ;P
20:38*TheEvilOne comes from the Ubuntu world, and does not have your issues ever
20:38<cthuluh>Moebius: try autocutsel
20:38<Moebius>hm.. ok
20:38<Moebius>thanks.
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20:43<j_azuaje>buenas noches este es el canal en español?
20:43<babilen>!es
20:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:45<j_azuaje>gracias
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20:58<TheEvilOne>okay, i was in here earlier trying to get the live iso images to run off a usb
20:58<TheEvilOne>when i use dd to get the thing onto the drive, it fails as well, same error, isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
20:58<TheEvilOne>should i try redownloading the image?
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21:00<metaspike>TheEvilOne, my general undesrstanding is that anything to do with upstream development will effect all the modern linux distrobutions. i think the difference's are made with packaging, patching. and altering implimentations of said software ultimately effects the "downstream" installations in different ways.
21:00<metaspike>also read: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb - you need syslinux to make it bootable.
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21:01<TheEvilOne>metaspike: i just want to get the live cd installer running off the usb stick
21:01<TheEvilOne>my system is able to boot to the usb
21:01<TheEvilOne>s/to the/to/
21:01<TheEvilOne>i just need to get the image running correctly off the USB
21:02<TheEvilOne>the Ubuntu Startup USB creator never finishes on the debian image
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21:02<dvs>TheEvilOne: So you can boot up the Ubuntu USB?
21:02<sney>TheEvilOne: after you write the image to usb you have to run 'sync' otherwise it will not finish
21:02<TheEvilOne>dvs: affirmitive.
21:02<dvs>TheEvilOne: Then the only tool you need is "cat"
21:03<TheEvilOne>dvs: i tried that
21:03<TheEvilOne>and dd
21:03<TheEvilOne>same error
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21:03<sney>have you tried syncing.
21:03<TheEvilOne>i should also point out that a CD burned from the same image works correctly, but not when using the USB
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21:04<TheEvilOne>sney: "sync"ing?
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21:05<dvs>TheEvilOne: run "sync" after "cat"
21:05<TheEvilOne>ah
21:06<TheEvilOne>well fwiw, i'm redownloading the image now in case its a broken or corrupted image
21:06*TheEvilOne usually does this first, but had a bandwidth cap on him at the time
21:06<dvs>TheEvilOne: What cat command do you use?
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21:07<TheEvilOne>dvs: i prefer using dd, but cat <image>.iso > /dev/sdx where x would be what the USB drive is
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21:07<TheEvilOne>sudo that, and it works
21:07<TheEvilOne>for writing the image
21:07<TheEvilOne>but not making it work completely
21:07<TheEvilOne>(the isolinux fail :/)
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21:09<metaspike>lets see what dpkg has to say about this, because frankly I gave up with the formal approach and just debootstrapped it :p
21:09<metaspike>!usb install
21:09<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
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21:13<metaspike>also to check for file corruption, use md5sum. - md5sum "your.iso" and compare it with the md5checksum on the website.
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21:25<r3d33mer>hi
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21:26<TheEvilOne>dvs: okay, i've cat'd the .img for the usb-hdd image onto the device, what do i do after that?
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21:26<TheEvilOne>just hit "sync"? or someth9ing else?
21:27<r3d33mer>i'm new, any advice?
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21:30<DocHolliday>OK, about to use deb for the first time
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21:33<metaspike>:) fresh blood!
21:33<DocHolliday>:D
21:33<metaspike>!newbie
21:33<dpkg>rumour has it, newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/)
21:33<metaspike>man is your friend, tkman is a gui for man and aptitude is the man.
21:33<DocHolliday>I use my backtrack on a deb base
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21:34<DocHolliday>That's the extent of my experience
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21:35<DocHolliday>Iwill be memorizing the docs
21:35<DocHolliday>does the deb install have a partition manager?
21:36<babilen>It does
21:36<babilen>!tell DocHolliday -about introduction
21:36<babilen>!tell DocHolliday -about ig
21:36<DocHolliday>thank you :)
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21:37<DocHolliday>Be back in a little while
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21:47<kristian1aul>arghh!!!
21:47<kristian1aul>cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 7 (Authentication failure)!
21:47<kristian1aul>and i already aded my user to lpdamin..
21:48<kristian1aul>lpadmin**
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21:51<horza>I'm running Wheezy, and I have a java app that doesn't seem to like running as anything but root. I get the feeling it's a permissions sort of problem.
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21:53<deansu>!next
21:53<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
21:53<deansu>hmm
21:53<deansu>horza: wheezy/sid questions should be asked in #debian-next
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21:54<kristian1aul>!testing
21:54<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
21:55<horza>I don't expect it's related to wheezy actually, I think it's a debian specific configuration issue
21:55<kristian1aul>but you are running wheezy right now? :-)
21:55<horza>Fair enough ;-P
21:55<kristian1aul>debian _wheeze_ ? right
21:56<kristian1aul>so.. remenber there are changes between releases etc..
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21:56<horza>I asked in testing
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21:57<kristian1aul>Yes i saw it, well hang on for a while :)
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22:17<kristianpaul>arghhh!!, damn long passwords and cups dont loving security ;(
22:17<kristianpaul>reduced user password and then now all workds..
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22:25<krthsrth>allo
22:26<krthsrth>quebec
22:26<krthsrth>ou ouuuuuuuu
22:26<kristianpaul>hi
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23:03<Tons>how do i get to kat.ph?
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