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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-16

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00:55<Guest20576>hello
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02:26<newbie>who
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03:22<ayaka>where is the best place to talk Load_Balancer?
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03:48<jasonsmr>hello channel, how do Icreate a interface with a switch
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03:48<jasonsmr>im in my debian box now and am failing to connect to my hardware
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04:00<jww_>Hi does anybody know an alternative to synergy ?
04:01<jww_>I can t handle all those bugs anymore, but a kvm is really usefull.
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04:17<jasonsmr>anyone online know how to program swconfig with the Atheos chip ar71xx and ag71xx
04:17<jasonsmr>I dont know how to do it
04:17<jasonsmr>and my system is not able to access the eth1 wan interface only eth0
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04:24<jm_>jasonsmr: did you try the wiki wifi page?
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04:26<jasonsmr>its not just the wifi its the wan wide area network
04:26<jasonsmr>I have a tool called swconfig and iw
04:27<jasonsmr>however Im more concerned with wan wide area network and getting that up and about working* sirst
04:27<jasonsmr>fiest
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04:28<jasonsmr>theres robocfg too , however when calling that utility it dosent even touch the switch because it says its not compatable with my driver (ag71xx)
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05:01<narcisgarcia>Hello, it's my forst time in this IRC server.
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05:02<narcisgarcia>I'm coming to solve a technical detail about users and groups.
05:04<narcisgarcia>Does somebody have a detailed knowledge about the file /etc/adduser.conf ?
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05:05<amoe>narcisgarcia, what problem are you having?
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05:07<narcisgarcia>It's about the variable USERGROUPS. I need to know why/when can be convenient to have a "yes" value or not.
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05:07<narcisgarcia>Why on much distributions the USERGROUPS variable comes with "yes" by default?
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05:08<narcisgarcia>Why can be useful that each user has its own group?
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05:08<Volley>that is something i've been wondering the last 5 years myself
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05:09<themill>!user private groups
05:09<dpkg>[user private groups] a system configuration idiom which allows users to collaborate by granting shared access to a directory and its content. Access is controlled by associating each collaborative project team with a Un*x group and then granting Un*x group membership to the userids of the designated project members. http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups
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05:11<Phoenix87>is it possible to run an application within a "fake" environment?
05:11<themill>narcisgarcia: sharing in that way only works if the umask is 002 rather than 022 but then you'd accidentally make lots of stuff public that you never intended to. UPG also means that accidentally having the wrong umask (002 instead of 022) doesn't disclose information.
05:12<Volley>themill: ok, _that_ aktually starts to make sense
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05:13<Volley>. o O ( isn't default umask 022 still? )
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05:14<narcisgarcia>Can you expose some concrete example where an UPG is useful instead of a common group created for the task?
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05:15<Volley>narcisgarcia: the point is what happens when you do such a common group and put things into it
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05:16<narcisgarcia>I can make a directory with owner narcis:users , and then share its contents to other user member of the "users" group.
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05:17<Volley>narcisgarcia: what rights will things have you put into that dir?
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05:17<narcisgarcia>The rights can be assigned to the group part, for example u=rwX,g=rX,o=
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05:18<Volley>narcisgarcia: i know you can make it have the right rights with chmod or some graphical tool ... but the moment you put a file in, it will have some default setting.
05:18<themill>narcisgarcia: the problem is that you need umask 022 for that to be useful, which means that you will accidentally share every other file you create.
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05:19<narcisgarcia>Does it mean that with a directory already owned by "narcis:narcis" and rights "u=rwX,g=rX,o=" I can share it only when I make a guest user member of the group "narcis" ?
05:19<Volley>i think i need to learn about ACLs somewhen
05:20<narcisgarcia>Is this a way to give someone temporary access to my user data (do it member and remove after as member)?
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05:21<themill>narcisgarcia: no, you'd use narcis:users (or narcis:someproject) for the things that you want to actually share. You use narcis:narcis for things you don't. You then only need umask 002 all the time.
05:21<Volley>i think group membership is checked on session start and remains troughout the session .. so if the user in question doesn't lo out, he might keep the group
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05:22<narcisgarcia>And with the appropiate umask, when is useful to hane the "narcis" group ?
05:22<narcisgarcia>And with the appropiate umask, when is useful to haVe the "narcis" group ?
05:23<narcisgarcia>I can have "narcis:users" by default, and for some concrete question set files to "narcis:someproject"
05:23<jm_>Volley: or use newgrp/sg
05:24<Volley>jm_: ah
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05:25<narcisgarcia>Oookay! The umask is the key: everytime I can create content with "u=rwX,g=rwX,o=", but I can change only group to the content to have it private or shared.
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05:27<jm_>indeed
05:28<narcisgarcia>In this way, everything I create is owned by "narcis" user and the group has permissions. By default everything I create it's private because the group is also "narcis", and content is only shared if I change its group.
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05:29<themill>changing umask is painful, tends to be forgotten and is only temporary; changing group ownership is obvious and persistent. So while you can achieve the same thing in multiple different ways, there are easier ways and harder ways...
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05:45<Phoenix87>is it possible to install two different version of the same application?
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05:46<joeoshawa>i just finished a fresh install with xfce and i can't remember what i need to install to get synaptic to ask for the root password to open
05:46<themill>Phoenix87: no. and you should be asking in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
05:46<weasel>Phoenix87: dpkg does not support installing two versions of the same package, if that's what you're asking.
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05:48<Phoenix87>but can i tell dpkg to install an older version in a different location, say /opt instead of /usr?
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05:50<weasel>you might be able to stromarm it into unpacking it somewhere else, but it might then be broken and this is not really supported or intended.
05:50<joeoshawa>I am getting this error " Failed to execute command "su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic". Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory) "
05:50<Phoenix87>ok
05:50<Phoenix87>thnx
05:50<joeoshawa>Phoenix87, why would you want to do that
05:50<Phoenix87>JoeKickass, i need to use the old gedit 2
05:51<Phoenix87>and oneiric comes with gedit3
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05:51<Phoenix87>the fact is that the latex plugin is no longer supported in gedit3
05:51<weasel>Phoenix87: debian stable comes with gedit2.
05:51<jasonsmr>hello channel
05:51<weasel>Phoenix87: you should probably use that. we can't help you with your ubuntu problems here
05:51<Phoenix87>weasel, i know that and this is why I have installed debian on an older machine
05:52<Phoenix87>anyway my question was general
05:52<jasonsmr>Question can I use a initrd with pivot_root to reload Debian from* a different Linux Distro
05:53<jasonsmr>Debian can not see my current distros network, however My exact* question is can I use a initrd to pass over the networking interfaces from the old distro durring a pivot_root to my new Debian Box?
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05:54<ladoga>it would be nice if gedit2 and 3 had their own packages
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05:55<Phoenix87>ladoga, +1
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05:56<joeoshawa>so what do i install to get the gui password prompt for synaptic
05:57<Phoenix87>gksudo synaptic
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05:58<joeoshawa>no gksu will work from alt f2 i mean double click synaptic from the menu and have it ask for a password
05:59<Sicelo>right now it doesn't?
06:00<ladoga>!gksu
06:00<dpkg>hmm... gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1". Also ask me about <sux>.
06:00<joeoshawa>no
06:00<joeoshawa>gksu is installed and i still get that error
06:00<weasel>jasonsmr: pivot_root doesn't change interfaces,
06:01<weasel>jasonsmr: so if you bring up the interface before pivot_root, it would still be up afterwards
06:01<weasel>ladoga: that probably wouldn't help
06:01<weasel>ladoga: I suspect their library dependencies are complex too
06:01<jasonsmr>Hmm I wonder why then , perhaps its a pre-up pivot_root
06:02<weasel>ladoga: so it probably means "it would be nice if gnome2 and gnome3 could co-exist" which is something that upstream deliberately made impossible or at least very very hard
06:04<ladoga>weasel: ok. my problem is that I don't use gnome, but I do use gedit, evince and file-roller
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06:05<joeoshawa>just found it synaptic needs the menu package from gnome to work not gksu
06:05<joeoshawa>so gksu is useless to synaptic
06:05<weasel>jasonsmr: menu isn't a gnome package
06:05<ladoga>weasel: last time I checked new versions of those apps drag shitload of gnome3 stuff with them use different config files and whatever
06:05<joeoshawa>wrong person
06:05<weasel>that too :)
06:05<weasel>it's a very ancient piece of debian infrastructure, predating gnome and kde
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06:06<ladoga>so I just put gtk2 ones on hold until I find good replacements
06:07<joeoshawa>anyway if anyone else needs to know they need menu not gksu
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06:28<amoe>Anyone know a terminal emulator that lets you search the scrollback? (not screen/tmux)
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06:29<narcisgarcia>Thanks for the help about "user private groups"
06:29<narcisgarcia>Bye
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06:32<jm_>amoe: not anyone does, but some people know about urxvt etc.
06:34<weasel>amoe: urxvt?
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06:37<amoe>ah, thanks.
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06:43<pixmin>hi, is it normal not to have a changelog available for some package on sid? (gedit) I'd like to see if I need the update before I risk breaking anything. Thanks :)
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06:48<amoe>ah you're there already
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07:31<hoshi411>is there a way to do something like"apt-cache search --showversionnumber <package>
07:31<ompaul>hoshi411: apt-cache policy package
07:31<hoshi411>ompaul thank you
07:31<ompaul>you're welcome
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07:34<hoshi411>ompaul do you mean, apt-cache --policy search <package>?
07:34<hoshi411>as a flag
07:34<ompaul>no
07:34<ompaul>I mean apt-cache policy gnome for example
07:34<jm_>hoshi411: aptitude can show custom fields with search command
07:34<hoshi411>ah i see what is going on
07:35<hoshi411>i need to clearly specify the package name
07:35<hoshi411>so i have to search using apt-cache search and then find then packagename and then do apt-cahce policy
07:35<hoshi411>hmm
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07:48<tyckm>is there a way to make the terminal to startup at 132x43 instead for 80x24?
07:49<jm_>yes
07:50<tyckm>how can i do that?
07:50<jm_>depends on the terminal
07:50<tyckm>gnome terminal
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07:51<jm_>doesn't it have a setting for this in preferences?
07:51<jm_>(never used it)
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07:54<jm_>and it looks like some of our installations with gnome lack the terminal to test it
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09:07<m3l>hello hello hello. christmas is here and i'm in need of the mplex plugin from brasero so i can burn some avi's for my old man. anyone know where i can find this illusive package?
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10:53<jasonsmr>Question does anyknow how to configure the pppoe interface without the kernel module?
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11:04<MarkusHU>Hallo weiss einer wie man wlan0 deaktiviren kann?
11:04<sney>!de
11:04<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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11:38<No>E AEW PESSOAL
11:38<No>TUDO BLZ?
11:38<No>AQUI TÁ CHUVENDO PACAS
11:38<No>:D
11:38<No>E AEW?
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11:54<sney>looks like pt-br
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12:15<opalepatrick>babilen: Do you know if that nvidia driver has been loaded up on squeeze backports. Asking cos I am never sure if I have the right place :-)
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12:25<babilen>opalepatrick: they have
12:26<babilen>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
12:26<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1
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12:27<opalepatrick>brill... thanks for that babilen. Will I be able to install this 'over' the one we built?
12:27<opalepatrick>or do I need a remove/install procedure
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12:28<babilen>should work
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12:29<opalepatrick>cheers babilen
12:29<babilen>but IIRC they are the same version, so delete the pcka ge cache and reinmstall them
12:29<babilen>ugh -- /me blames the cat for bad typing
12:29<opalepatrick>:-)
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12:48<therius>plo plo
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12:56<maria>d
12:56<maria>dlsfblekb
12:56<maria>maria
12:56<maria>olaaa
12:56<heikkila>hello
12:56<maria>hello
12:57<maria>how old are you ?¿
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12:57<maria>oaaoaoa
12:57<maria>akla
12:57<themill>!es social maria
12:57<dpkg>social maria: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
12:57<No>PRECISO DE AJUDA
12:57<No>ME AJUDEM POR FAVOR
12:57<No>POR FAVOR GENTE
12:57<No>GENTE
12:57<No>PRECISO
12:57<No>ESTOU DESESPERADO
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12:58<themill>!ubuntu-br No
12:58<dpkg>No: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server irc.freenode.net depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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12:59<jasonsmr>Problem: I have a system that is giving a kernel oops becaus it trys to start up ppp durring network setup on boot with the init script
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13:00<jasonsmr>Problem: I want ppp to start of course, however The kernel oops is because the kernel module isnt loaded yet or properly?
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13:01<jasonsmr>Question: the proper place for the ppp_generic is in the /lib/modules/2.6.39.4 hoever, its not being found, It needed to load manualy?
13:01<jasonsmr>Question how Does one usualy load kernel modules on boot?
13:02<therius>i want to pimp my laptop help help
13:02<therius>i want to pimp my laptop help help
13:03<Volley>therius: have you tried metallic glitter spray?
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13:11<laxmikant>hello
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13:15<jasonsmr>a process pppd has continued to run even though I have told kill -9 PID
13:15<jasonsmr>what else can I do to kill this process
13:16<jasonsmr>process must die
13:16<jasonsmr>or ill need to reboot?
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13:31<niag>hi debian brotherhood
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13:31<niag>where the hell is the page (in debina web site) that show the graph of bugs? i had no success to find. :(
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13:34<gnugr>niag: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/
13:35<gnugr>niag: http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
13:36<niag>gnugr, tnx, but is not the page i talk about. some time ago i see a graph (white background) with red line, green line, blue line. each line refere to differen distribution bugs.
13:37<niag>looking at that, you can see immediately how many bugs left before new release.
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13:43<scraze>niag: you mean http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ?
13:43<niag>let me see
13:43<niag>YESS
13:43<niag>THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
13:43<niag>i will bookmark, finally
13:44<gnugr>niag: sse that too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSaah6sl7gQ
13:44<gnugr>see*
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13:44<niag>ok
13:44<gnugr>great eh?
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13:46<niag>gnugr, did you make it?
13:46<gnugr>no
13:47<niag>nice, but i am a rude command line old dude, not a modern feminine lover of nice DE :)
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13:48<niag>anyway, nice audio track :)
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13:49<niag>what that orange slice stay for?
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15:37<nodiscc>Hello all, I have set up LUKS encrypted partitions for / and /home. At boot i'm asked for the password for each partition, even if they share the same password. How can I decrypt my 2 volumes with just 1 password prompt?
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15:37<shiloh>is there a new menu package to get since the update kinda ruined the main menu? debian testing 64 bit
15:38<ompaul>shiloh: you could ask them in #debian-next about testing they tend to know more about it
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15:38<shiloh>ompaul, ive been trying for an hour
15:38<shiloh>tyvm all the same ompaul :-)
15:38<ompaul>to ask in #debian-next?
15:39<shiloh>have been, for an hour
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15:39<ompaul>eh not with that nick your not
15:39<shiloh>yeah i have, try scrolling up
15:39<shiloh>way up
15:39<shiloh>and several times
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15:40<ompaul>you mention it twice :)
15:41<ompaul>it's gnome - so my kde knows nothing about that
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15:41<ompaul>shiloh: just sure you did your dist-update dist-upgrade
15:42<shiloh>i dont follow what you mean
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16:04<cirzgamanti>hi, on debian testing since updating some months ago, some settings seem to have changed: some parts of the system cannot be accessed any more by sudo. eg "sudo gparted" does not find gparted, and sudo apt-get upgrade dl's all packages, but when installing fails with "ldconfig not found in PATH". how can i fix this?
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16:07<eightyeight>cirzgamanti: /join #debian-next
16:07<cirzgamanti>ok
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16:28<xkinder>es canal en español?
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16:28<xkinder>buenas terdes
16:28<eightyeight>xkinder: /join #debian-es
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16:28<xkinder>gracias
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16:28<eightyeight>de nada
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17:39<JtheLinuxGuy>I have a question I'm hoping someone can help me with. I have a server with a RAID5 and the root partition on it's own drive (not RAID). The non-RAID root partition died. Is there any way to reinstall Debian on another drive but leave the software RAID intact?
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20:12<babilen>edson: It's #debian-next
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20:34<bunjee>somebody please explain how to install a tarball?
20:34<babilen>bunjee: That really depends on its content -- What are you trying to achieve?
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20:37<nodiscc>bunjee: most of the time, a tarball contains an INSTALL text file that should guide you a bit
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20:42<paopaomj>hi all
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20:56<benjr>how can i make the df output give me total overall figures, like numbers for all the file systems added together?
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21:13<lukasoft>Hello, I've just installed a new Debian Squeeze distro on a netbook and I can't seem to get any networking. It says package not found when I try to install network-manager-gnome. Any ideas anyone?
21:13<lukasoft>using aptitude
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21:15<Arrowmaster>what are you installing from if theres no networking?
21:16<Arrowmaster>cd/dvd/usb drive?
21:16<lukasoft>I installed from a CD image that I somehow got to work on a USB drive
21:16<lukasoft>haha
21:16<lukasoft>I have the image on the desktop and can mount it and use it as a source for packages if necessary
21:16<Arrowmaster>afaik network-manager-gnome isnt on the first cd
21:17<lukasoft>oh balls
21:17<Arrowmaster>but its on the first dvd
21:17<lukasoft>hmm, ok, thanks. I'm assuming that's the default network software for debian 6 right?
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21:18<Arrowmaster>im not sure what the default is from an install of only cd1
21:18<Arrowmaster>it has network-manager but not network-manager-gnome
21:19<Arrowmaster>you dont really need either but then youll need to configure your wireless manually
21:20<lukasoft>well I have wired and wireless available. ideally I just want to get the easiest thing working so I can get internet to update the OS and get more packages
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21:21<lukasoft>I apologize for the n00b problem, i just finished all my finals and haven't used debian in a while, so my brain is fried and being forgetful
21:22<Arrowmaster>plugin wired network, edit /etc/network/interfaces and reboot
21:22<lukasoft>so how do I use network-manager then? I tried typing it in the command line it didn't work.
21:22<lukasoft>I tried using auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted and nothing happened
21:22<Arrowmaster>no clue i gave up on network-manager a long time ago
21:22<lukasoft>as well as auto dhcp
21:23<Arrowmaster>put 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in it
21:23<lukasoft>ok I'll try again
21:24<lukasoft>if you don't use network-manager then what do you use? just the gnome front end?
21:24<Arrowmaster>i only use wired ethernet and it 'just works'
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21:25<lukasoft>hmm, must be from dvd install instead of CD i'm guessing then. ugh, I should have tried that instead
21:25<Arrowmaster>i didnt used to use network-manager to manage it but then an update made it take over and it kept working so i didnt mess with it
21:25<lukasoft>but I don't think I had a usb drive big enough when I installed to begin with
21:25<scraze>lukasoft: wpasupplicant can set up a wireless connection, it just needs a small manually created config file
21:26<benjr>can someone help me figure out what is using up all my ram and why? or is ti nomral my my system to run at almost 100% ram use and it just frees some up when needed?
21:26<Arrowmaster>benjr: linuxatemyram.com
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21:26<scraze>also wired should be a lot easier and not require anything at all apart from a) static IP or b) a dhcp run
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21:27<scraze>benjr: the 'cached' part of your ram is filled as much as possible, it's not necessary but it helps starting things up faster, package 'preload' is probably stuffing it for you
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21:28<lukasoft>hmmm, can I just do ifconfig eth0 up for now? then what do I type for dhcp?
21:29<scraze>lukasoft: yes, ifconfig eth0 up would work, then dhclient eth0
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21:30<benjr>Arrowmaster, ah ok much thanks, its using 6gb for caching :)
21:30<Arrowmaster>mines using that much for firefox =(
21:30<scraze>alternatively set it up in /etc/network/interfaces to start with dhcp by default, i.e. a line iface eth0 inet dhcp and add "eth0" to the "auto lo" line
21:31<lukasoft>scraze: I already tried that. epiphany says unable to load page after a restart
21:31<benjr>i was concerned because when i run htop, i see 7 copies of opera and 15 copies of firefox, all with 1gb+ virt .. didnt understand that
21:32<scraze>lukasoft: I may have left one requirement for 'wired' out there; there should be a router at the other end of the cable accepting your connections ;]
21:32<lukasoft>scraze: yes, thank you. it is plugged in haha
21:32<lukasoft>oh. its working. XD
21:33<scraze>\o/
21:33<lukasoft>i guess the connection had yet to establish when i opened my browser
21:33<lukasoft>thanks
21:33<scraze>dhclient may take a little while indeed
21:33<lukasoft>is synaptic package manager normal to use in debian, or is aptitude preferred
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21:36<benjr>why does ps show only 1 instance of an application, but htop shows it multiple times?
21:38<Arrowmaster>htop is probably showing threads
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21:38<Arrowmaster>you can change it in the settings
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21:39<scraze>lukasoft: perhaps depends on who you're asking, but most here would say either apt-get or aptitude; most of aptitude's 'newish' features have been incorporated in apt-get, but aptitude loads its ncurses frontend regardless of whether you're going to use it, so apt-get is often faster
21:40<lukasoft>i see thanks
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21:43<lukasoft>hmm, I've done update package list in aptitude, but it still cannot find network-manager-gnome. This is after I added the ftp repository
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21:46<scraze>lukasoft: aptitude update runs successfully? / no errors? if so, paste the content of /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome to http://paste.debian.net and we'll have a looksy
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21:49<lukasoft>paste.debian.net/149446
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21:50<lukasoft>and the second says: N: unable to locate package network-manager-gnome
21:50<scraze>ah, yes, you have added only the squeeze-updates repository, not squeeze's main repository - that one is still searching at the disk
21:50<scraze>you can comment the CD lines, you don't need those anymore (of course you can still use them if you want to)
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21:53<lukasoft>testing main contrib non-free?
21:53<scraze>for the main sources you'd just need to add the line "deb http://cdn.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main", although there are some other repositories and sections you might benefit from
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21:53<scraze>here's a page to create a clean sources.list with: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
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21:55<scraze>whoops, please ignore that cdn line :] should be: "deb http://cdn.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" , the whole point was that this line should use squeeze instead of squeeze-updates :P
21:56<scraze>and even that seems incorrect - please just use the generator instead of my suggestions :] (can't find cdn.debian.org from here; you can use ftp.CC.debian.org where CC is your country code instead though)
21:57<sney>it's cdn.debian.net scraze
21:57<scraze>thanks sney :]
21:58<sney>!squeeze sources.list
21:58<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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22:02<lukasoft>paste.debian.net/149446 is this ok?
22:03<lukasoft>that looks funky?
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22:04<scraze>lukasoft: it's the same link with the same content :?
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22:04<lukasoft>paste.debian.net/149448
22:04<lukasoft>sorry forgot to change the last digit
22:08<scraze>hm, seems a bit rigorous - you probably haven't upgraded yet since you just changed the sources, so it's to be expected that a couple of packages are removed/upgraded/installed, but those dependency issues seem out of place
22:09<scraze>also, the first suggestion includes things as removing apt-listchanges .. eep
22:09<lukasoft>yea, weird stuff. I'm trying to upgrade again see what that does
22:10<scraze>I'm not sure whether it's ok or not, but perhaps do a normal upgrade first and install nm-gnome afterwards
22:10<lukasoft>yea thats what I meant
22:16<lukasoft>it seems like it worked. I'll restart and see if anything changed
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22:21<lukasoft>ok, everything looks great, thanks guys
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22:22<lukasoft>just one last question. It seems when I go to the debian menu System / Administration there isn't really anything there. Is there a single debian package I can install to get all of those?
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22:29<scraze>lukasoft: nice :] I'm not sure what should be in that menu, is there anything specific you're looking for?
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22:30<lukasoft>well my other debian distro (upgraded from 5 to 6) has more stuff like Network, Users and Groups, Services, and just general stuff like that
22:31<lukasoft>I'm guessing the CD distro didn't come with the GUI front end for that stuff
22:31<lukasoft>and I never memorized all the commands for those, as I use windows at school, not really by choice
22:32<sney>!install gnome
22:32<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
22:33<sney>if you install gnome-desktop-environment, it'll likely pull in the rest of the packages you're missing
22:33<lukasoft>ok, thanks. I'm not necessarily looking for everything, as its a netbook, so that sounds good.
22:33<scraze>yay for sney again, and also it's probably gnome-system-tools you're looking for
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22:36<lukasoft>yay thanks guys :D love debian! I should probably just buy a book on it and take the time to read through the whole thing
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22:40<scraze>not sure how up to date it is - copyright says 2010, timestamp says today - but probably still contains a load of useful information:
22:40<scraze>!reference
22:40<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
22:41<lukasoft>awesome.
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23:02<lukasoft>does anyone use chrome in debian?
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23:03<Nemoder>!anyone
23:03<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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23:05<lukasoft>what is the preferred version of chrome to install for the standard user in debian? beta, stable, or unstable? different people on the chrome support forum say to install different ones, but with no explanation
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23:07<scraze>lukasoft: debian has chromium in its repository, afaiu a debianized chrome
23:08<lukasoft>thank you! mmm! finally getting cumfy with the new debian install. such a good feeling haha
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23:14<lukasoft>well thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it.
23:14<lukasoft>I've got to get going though, see ya
23:14<scraze>bye lukasoft , hf!
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23:28<JohnC>#debian-gnome
23:28<JohnC>hello anyone?
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