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01:02<jdc>i'm an old bsd user with debian experience ten years back, and i'm trying it again after some time on macs and then ubuntu. i've got an issue that i haven't been able to resolve through research, and i wonder if anyone would like to help me out. i installed debian stable on a machine, then modified sources.list to upgrade to unstable. the process seems to have gone ok, but the system...
01:02<jdc>...loads to x and i get total static/flicker; i haven't yet been able to reconfigure x or repair it.
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01:18<scraze>jdc: join #debian-next for testing and up
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01:50<scinl>Burning DVDs from a .avi in Debian is called DVD authoring. I understand that and have read up on the subject many times, as there are a few different ways to do it, but I continue to fail. Does anybody have an easy method they could lend me?
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02:13<deansu>scinl: most of my bookmarks on the subject are now 404s, iirc you want to encode it to mpeg2, and then author it with dvdauthor like this: http://fak3r.com/geek/howto-convert-an-avi-or-to-dvd-vob-in-linux/
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02:38<scinl>deansu: Thanks, you're a lifesaver, this is one of the 4 methods I've read about. I'll give it a shot, thanks!
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04:29<hoshi411>how do I run a .jar file in debian?
04:29<petemc>java -jar foo.jar
04:30<hoshi411>when i try to execute it , i get a window asking me what app to open it with
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04:35<hoshi411>petemc thanks
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06:02<grummund>It seems inetutils-syslogd does not exist in wheezy, am i right in thinking that?
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06:03<scraze>a question best directed at #debian-next, but : wheezy/main has inetutils-syslogd 2:1.8-5
06:04<grummund>hmm, thanks. i failed to see that the search engine defaults to only stable dist. sorry.
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06:41<SgrA>"Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20111008-14:36' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter]."
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06:41<SgrA>When I try to install ATI catalyst drivers as mentioned on the Wiki.
06:42<SgrA>I don't even have a CD-drive.
06:42<philipp>SgrA u still can mount iso files
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06:43<scraze>SgrA: seems like apt is looking for a CD, probably because your /etc/apt/sources.list specifies to use one
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06:44<SgrA>scraze, That's the sort of hint I needed. Commented out a line that asked for the CD, and it works. :)
06:44<SgrA>Thanks.
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06:49<EmleyMoor>I find recording using my motherboard's sound card and Audacity unreliable - it keeps halting. Sometimes it will record for 8 minutes or so, other times it has trouble reaching 30 seconds. It plays OK though. Any suggestions on how I can improve the recording performance?
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06:52<OpenTokix>EmleyMoor: start by getting a real soundcard
06:53<scraze>EmleyMoor: not a reliable answer but for me it occurs when the recording interface is set to alsa's "default" but never when directly using hw:0,0 (which isn't available when the card is grabbed by another app)
06:53<EmleyMoor>I'm using hw:0,0
06:53<scraze>then please ignore :]
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06:53<EmleyMoor>OpenTokix: You're saying it might be better with another card? Hmm....
06:54<EmleyMoor>Will consider one when I have room
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06:54<OpenTokix>EmleyMoor: the builtins on the motherboard is more of a novelty feature that plays a beep and a boop at a random time
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06:55<EmleyMoor>It's a shame you can't get motherboards without sound easily now
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06:56<OpenTokix>EmleyMoor: who cares, - just disable it and get a external or pci-card
06:56<EmleyMoor>I hope I won't need my parport soon anyway - that will free 1 slot and an extra bracket
06:57<OpenTokix>parport? ;) for what? your 9-pin writer?
06:57<OpenTokix>there is a wide range of usb-soundscards also
06:57<EmleyMoor>My only printer at present is a parallel-only laser
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07:00<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... found an interesting USB Sound Blaster...
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07:01<EmleyMoor>"Sound Blaster Connect" - heard of that one?
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07:09<EmleyMoor>Looked at a few Creative PCI-E ones too...
07:12<ceipha>Hi! I use debian Squeeze. One of my USB memory sticks doesn't want to mount. After the USB stick is attached, the diode blinks three times and then just glows continuously until I unplug it. The kernel identifies the device correctly, but after around 3 seconds the device is suddenly being disconnected (http://pastebin.com/DkDVEWve). How can I find out what is the reason for that?
07:13<ceipha>The diode is being lit up right after the device is disconnected by kernel.
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07:20<metaspike>"is disconnected by kernel" are you sure of that? maybe it's faulty- does it show in gparted after it's been unmounted?
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07:21<metaspike>pr cfdisk
07:21<scraze>ceipha: "USB disconnect" would mean that the stick is disappearing at the USB level, so it that it wouldn't even show up in the output of lsusb anymore - is that the case?
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07:22<metaspike>how do you mount it... that's prob all we need eh
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07:23<metaspike>hmmm. it's not showing on lsusb, that would be bad.
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07:23<ceipha>scraze, exactly.
07:25<ceipha>scraze, it is being recognized by the kernel, see the /var/log/messages at <http://pastebin.com/DkDVEWve>, but it is never being mounted as a drive.
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07:27<ceipha>scraze, this is the case only with this particular USB drive, I have another one of the same type, and it works. I suppose the problem is with the USB itself, but I have no idea where to start troubleshooting.
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07:28<scraze>there are cases in which USB ports are put to sleep to save power, but I doubt that that happens 3 seconds after successful connection (at the USB level that is) .. does the stick work on other systems?
07:28<fukc_you>fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
07:28<fukc_you>noobsnoobsnoobsnoobsnoobsnoobs
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07:30<Bushmills>good catch
07:30<babilen>;)
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07:32<ceipha>scraze, It doesn't work on my other machines running Debian Squeeze. I haven't tried it on other OSes.
07:33<scraze>ceipha: if it does the USB Disconnect thing on multiple machines, there's a good chance that the stick itself is broken :(
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07:35<ceipha>scraze, that's what I suppose. I want to troubleshoot the USB stick itself, but I want to localize the problem.
07:37<ceipha>scraze: The /var/log/messages is not very informative here, it just says that the device is found, identified and disconnected. Without giving reason for the disconnect. I want to know exactly on what stage the problem occured. Are there better places to search for this information than /var/log/messages?
07:37<scraze>hm, particularly if you have an identical model that is working, it's most likely a hardware problem (like burnt / dislodged chips) .. but I suppose you could get a lot of information through USB kernel module debugging (or perhaps with a quick lsusb -v while the device is still attached)
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07:38<scraze>often /var/log/syslog contains very useful information as well, not sure if it's more in the case of USB
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07:40<scraze>also dmesg and kern.log
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07:56<Patrinoe>hola
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08:21<peragon>hola
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08:22<peragon>hola??
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08:23<themill>!es-social peragon
08:23<dpkg>peragon: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:23<peragon>ah ok
08:23<peragon>entoces
08:23<peragon>si tengo dudas
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08:25<peragon>como se crea una unidad USB bootable?
08:25<gonzaliyo>ni idea
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08:28<peragon>holaa?
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08:28<peragon>perdonen?
08:29<peragon>me pueden ayudar?
08:29<scraze>!es
08:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:29<peragon>ok
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08:32<peragon>no contestan...
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08:35<freezer>im running debian unstable with the nvidia drives and a GTX 560
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08:35<freezer>i can play 1080p mkv with VLC, but cpu load goes up to like 80% (core2)
08:35<peragon>me?
08:35<freezer>shouldn't the nvidia gpu take care of that?
08:36<peragon>me?
08:36<peragon>me?
08:36<peragon>me?
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08:39<flower>wot cpu, freezer?
08:39<Volley>freezer: i think that is a quite complicated matter. lots of if this and if that. matter of codec and whatnot ... the keyword is "vdpau" ...
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08:40<Torsten_W>vlc does not use vdpau directly
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08:40<Torsten_W>it only can use vaapi
08:40<Torsten_W>so i would prefer mplayer, which can use vdpau direct
08:42<vegas>hi all!! it's possible to turn on the DirectRendering with ati radeon hd 5730 and the free driver?? (i have more problems with fglrx..) thx :)
08:43<freezer>Torsten_W, interesting
08:44<Torsten_W>vegas, in stable, the requirements are not given
08:45<Torsten_W>vegas, 1st, don't pm me without asking
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08:45<Torsten_W>vegas, 2nd, support for wheezy/unstable ==> #debian-next
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08:46<vegas>ok thx
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08:48<freezer>Is vdpau support compiled into the debian mplayer/Xserver?
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08:49<petrol91>grub
08:49<petrol91>linux-image
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08:49<petrol91>virtualbox-guest-dkms
08:49<petrol91>acpi-support-base
08:49<petrol91>openssh-server
08:49<petrol91>sudo
08:49<petrol91>python3-all
08:49<petrol91>python-all
08:49<petrol91>sory
08:49<petrol91>[14:19] <petrol91> Hi all, i want to create debian instaler for Virtual machine, which will include SSH, sudo, and user account with rsa key. I read some things about simple-ccd profiles, but i dont know exacly how can i do it. Can you help me. I want to know what can i include in each of profile files
08:49<petrol91>[14:33] <petrol91> where can i find information about things what can i wrote in .pressed file?
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08:52<Smale>I installed cedet fully, and cscope installed automatic, how can I start cscope to build the index?
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08:53<peragon>how do i create a bootable USB?
08:53<Smale>after installing cedet, I installed ecb, and ecb works fine.
08:54<freezer>cool
08:54<freezer>mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau does work
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08:55<peragon>how?
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08:56<freezer>mplayer @ 3% cpu load @ 1080p
08:56<flower>big difference
08:56<freezer>absolutely
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08:57<peragon>HI!!!!
09:00<sitinavra>aloha!!
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09:17<technologov>hi all ! Are Web-API 'Cloud' packages considered Free Software ?
09:17<technologov>We have a battle over this in debian-legal ML, but without result
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09:17<technologov>details: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2011/12/msg00002.html
09:17<weasel>moraly I'd say it depends on if the server side is Free.
09:18<weasel>if not, they should either end up in contrib or non-free
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09:18<technologov>weasel: I agree. But guess what ? Squeeze 'main' repo is FULL of non-free packages.
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09:19<technologov>I'm trying to sort-it out, but to no success. (lost battle at Debian-legal ML)
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09:19<daemonkeeper>The discussion is, whether such Web-APIs are a substantial part of the software or not. I'd hope most software in main using any of these APIs does not need it for fundamental parts, e.g. think of last.fm APIs of music players.
09:20<technologov>daemonkeeper: y, i agree, that for packages that use casual features (non-critical part) it is OK to stay in main - example: Web Browsers
09:21<technologov>But (!) I speak about Facebook plugins and other such software
09:21<technologov>(weather plugins and more...)
09:22<technologov>For web browsers - this is just extra functionality - they are useful without it.
09:23<technologov>But some packages are clearly useless without non-free web service, and the goal is to remove those from 'main' repo.
09:23<daemonkeeper>Well, a random weather plugin is part of a larger desktop application suite collection and is typically not tied to a given service or using a given service API.
09:23<daemonkeeper>You're opening Pandora's box.
09:24<daemonkeeper>Following your interpretation every other package would be non-free as most applications are somehow interacting with network peers.
09:24<technologov>sure? look here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647749
09:24<technologov>example of broken package, due to non-free web dependency.
09:24<technologov>My point is that Debian cannot support such packages equally well as truly Free software.
09:25<technologov>no no no... my opinion is - whenever there is 'interchanable server' or not
09:26<technologov>if u can install both client and server on same machine - localhost - then it is 'OK'
09:26<technologov>If you cannot - then maybe it should go to 'contrib'
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09:26<daemonkeeper>Well, the weather plugins are content scrapers. The logic is trivial, it's the non-free data source which makes it complicated.
09:27<technologov>y.
09:27<daemonkeeper>Obviously you can run a web server locally (or on a free machine) being contacted by a weather plugin.
09:27<daemonkeeper>It does not mean you could feed it with helpful data.
09:27<technologov>yes.
09:28<technologov>Such things, IMO, belong to 'contrib', as they depend on non-free service, which is worse than dependency on non-free lib.
09:28<technologov>(technically non-free web service is more likely to break)
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09:29<daemonkeeper>I do not think our DFSG qualifies such cases as non-free. In fact it makes no assumptions at all on the usability of a program without non-free data sources.
09:29<technologov>Look for (my) definition of truly free web service: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2011/12/msg00019.html
09:30<technologov>Can we agree on this ?
09:30<technologov>Well, there is no problem with DFSG. Right. But the dependency is problematiuc, as this will fail Debian's 'Desert Island' test.
09:31<technologov>Software, that depends on non-free library can also pass DFSG :)
09:32<technologov>So DFSG does not bring any restrictions on dependency, only on software itself.
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09:35<daemonkeeper>No, you're wrong. The desert island test deals with isolated modification and dissemination. It does not deal with the usability of a given piece of software without a peer.
09:35<daemonkeeper>Also, we're off-topic here, but you can continue the discussion in #debian-offtopic
09:36<daemonkeeper>The bottom line of the desert island test is to deal with advertising clauses.
09:36<technologov>why offtopic ? This is a freedom problem for Debian. (perhaps not technical, but political)
09:36<daemonkeeper>This is a technical help channel :=)
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09:37<technologov>OK, but IMO depending on non-free web service is no better than on non-free library. So u disagree ?
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09:43<daemonkeeper>I do not disagree, you are ethically right. In fact some people consider such a dependency fulfilling the GPL criteria of a derivative work. I am just pointing out that such software is perfectly DFSG free and that is what counts when dividing software into main or other sections, because the client license is certainly free. However, you're opening Pandora's box if you are requiring the _data_ such software uses would need to be free as well.
09:43<daemonkeeper>Technically, the interfaces are certainly free and open. It's the data which causes you problems. But you could equally say "oh, but with this text editor only DFSG free texts must be written".
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09:45<daemonkeeper>reply in #d-ot if you want. :)
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09:56<pablo>the best way of getting a package uploaded to debian is using mentors.debian.net?
09:56<abrotman>if you're not a DD/DM, yes
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09:57<pablo>thx, I'll continue at the mentors channel
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10:44<installer>habe Probleme mit dem Prozessorlüfter beim Lap
10:44<installer>der dreht mit zu hoher umdrehungszahl, ständig
10:44<themill>!de
10:44<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
10:45<installer>ok, thank you
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10:50<installer>i have problems with my asus lap, the prozessor van is turning to fast
10:50<installer>is it a acpi error? maybe?
10:50<abrotman>is it an eeepc ?
10:50<installer>no
10:50<installer>normal lap
10:51<installer>in win it should work
10:51<installer>so i wonder about it
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10:52<installer>the van turn always with the same speed
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10:53<installer>and the prozessor is not busy
10:53<installer>he is sleeping
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10:57<installer>could it be a problem, if i had installed a 32bit version for a 64bit prozessor?
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11:14<Guest20762>gonzalo
11:14<Guest20762>ola
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11:34<freezer>hi
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11:55<wrek-gar>is there a terminal syntax which will allow a user to unrar a file from a remote workstation onto the local assuming they are already using sshftp?
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11:55<daemonkeeper>Just unrar it to a local directory?
11:56<wrek-gar>yes
11:56<sney>or mount the remote volume with sshfs
11:56<wrek-gar>just recently been using gnome to log into the remote machine and from there unrar a file to the local
11:57<wrek-gar>just wanted to know how to do it via the terminal
11:57<daemonkeeper>My question mark was rhetoric. :>
11:57<wrek-gar>^^
11:59<arand>Is there any way apart from nuking the whole db to remove packages from a mini-dinstall archive?
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13:41<henry>hi
13:41<henry>who are you
13:41<henry>i need the aplication
13:42<henry>the password central
13:42<henry>in
13:42<henry>sourceforge
13:42<henry>is corporate vault
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13:42<cthuluh>does not compute
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13:44<daleko>hello to everyone
13:45<daleko>can I chat with someone who knows everything about debian squeeze
13:45<daleko>???
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13:46<ompaul>daleko: no, you can ask a question. If someone knows the answer they my be able to answer you.
13:46<Torsten_W>no one knows everything about debian squeeze
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13:46<daleko>but i don't know nothing :(
13:46<Nik05>who wrote CUPS, Americans? :P
13:47<daleko>but i want to learn
13:47<Torsten_W>daleko, a good start would be debian.org
13:47<Nik05>I have problems with printing at A4 paper.
13:47<ompaul>daleko http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze
13:47<Nik05>When I set my printer settings in CUPS to A4 it doesnt print correct
13:47<Nik05>when I manually set the height and width of A4 paper it prints correctly
13:47<melmothX_>Nik05: it may depend on a lot of things, first and foremost the printer drivers
13:48<Nik05>ok
13:48<daleko>tnx people you are so kind :)
13:48<daleko>but...
13:48<daleko>:(
13:48<dardevelin>melmothX_, i think he is using the wrong default template for the size of A4
13:49<melmothX_>dardevelin: only the god in the machine knows, so far
13:49<dardevelin>melmothX_, if was a driver problem , it should be present even with correct measures, because it was miss control over the machine
13:49<Nik05>And where does the A4 template come from?
13:50<dardevelin>Nik05, i think depends on the configurations you have set and also witch program
13:50<Nik05>lp, lpr, geany doesnt print correct when using A4
13:50<dardevelin>basically what ideally you would want, would be that when you hit print, it knows the correct size without you having to insert it manually
13:50<Nik05>but does print correct when setting 210 x 297
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13:51<Nik05>in mm ofcours
13:51<Torsten_W>daleko, you will not get friends with unasked querys in irc
13:51<dardevelin>file->page setup
13:51<dardevelin>paper size pick A4
13:51<dardevelin>apply
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13:51<dardevelin>and try just hit print
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13:53<Nik05>Does someone know how I can remove the stupid inches in Debian?
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13:53<dardevelin>i think the app is oriented to inch in it's calculations
13:54<dardevelin>and so is the unit measure of the program , and i'm afraid you can't change that
13:54<dardevelin>you do can add custom sizes for printing
13:54<dardevelin>where you set how many inch from top, bottom, left, right (width, height)
13:55<ion_>I am curious to know what irc client supports ssl or how to enable ssl for various irc channels?
13:55<Nik05>dardevelin, this still doesnt fix it for lp
13:55<Nik05>even when im using lp -o media=a4
13:56<dardevelin>humm, try create your own template and call for that one
13:56<dardevelin>btw isn't A4 instead of a4 ?
13:57<dardevelin>and you might want to select on the format for
13:57<dardevelin>and select whatever needs to be selected
13:57<melmothX_>Nik05: just to be sure, did you go to localhost:631 and set the default paper format?
13:57<Nik05>yes its A4
13:57<ion_>my xchat always defaults to port 9999 and nothing else. :(
13:58<Nik05>but when i change it in localhost:631 to 210 x 297 it prints correct
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13:59<dardevelin>ion_, humm weird, maybe you have some permissions set in your firewall or something
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13:59<dardevelin>ion_, default for me is 6667 if not mistaken
14:00<Nik05>well i will just use the manual settings in CUPS
14:02<dardevelin>Nik05, as lame ultimate solution, make a little bash script that lists your settings so you can use the terms A4 instead of actual measures
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14:10<Nik05>I just spoke with someone in #geany on freenode and he has mm in his program
14:10<Nik05>So its probably a system setting.
14:10<Nik05>Does someone know what to change to get normal measurement units?
14:12<Nik05>http://wiki.debian.org/Locale dpkg-reconfigure locales
14:15<Nik05>oops i closed console screen...
14:15<SWAT>1/wc
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14:15<Nik05>while dpkg-reconfigure was active
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14:15<Nik05>now /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked
14:15<Nik05>how do i access it? :P
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14:20<Nik05>how do i kill a PID the right way? :P dpkg-reconfigure is still active
14:20<valdyn>!uuok
14:20<valdyn>!kill
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14:21<valdyn>Nik05: http://72.14.189.113/howto/shell/kill-9/
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14:21<Nik05>kill pid worked :)
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14:24<Nik05>guys how can i setup my Debian locales to use English as default (and only) language but using the dutch standards for measurement, paper etc. ?
14:25<valdyn>Nik05: thats not supported, so you have to set the variables manually
14:25<valdyn>Nik05: hit "locale" to see them
14:25<Nik05>cool :)
14:25<heikkila>My eth1 gets ip-address from the same computer's dhcp-server, even though I gave it a static address in the interfaces file. It doesn't happen right away, it gets correct ip-address when I do "ifup eth1", but after a while the ip-address changes to dhcp-server's first address in the range. How can I prevent this?
14:26<valdyn>heikkila: kill your still running dhcp client
14:26<heikkila>ah, ofc, valdyn :)
14:27<heikkila>ty
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14:28<Nik05>valdyn where does the `:en' in `LANGUAGE=en_US:en' come from?
14:28<Nik05>can i for example do nl_NL:en? :P
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14:31<yegor>hi all
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14:35<Nik05>guys what does kill(1) and kill(2) mean in `man kill' ?
14:36<Nik05>are those two different manuals of kill?
14:36<Nik05>and how do i get to kill(2)?
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14:37<ompaul>man 1 kill ; man 2 kill (there is no section 2)
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14:38<Nik05>ah it worked thx ompaul
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14:41<Losba>Is there a way to set all packages set for autoremoving to manually installed?
14:42<Nik05>yes
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14:42<Nik05>aptitude unmarkauto i think
14:42<Nik05>man aptitude ;)
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14:46<Losba>Alright, thanks a lot
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14:48<Nik05>Where can i find information about LC_MEASUREMENT?
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14:59<Nik05>wtf printing is still not working with CUPS at A4 ---
14:59<Nik05>-_-
15:01<Nik05>wtf since i change locale setting
15:01<Nik05>is printing not working any more ---
15:01<Nik05>aaah
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15:01<Nik05>not with custom settings and not with A4
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15:12<Wan>Hello there
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15:14<azevedols>Hi!
15:14<azevedols>quit
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15:14<azevedols>vixe
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16:00<john>howdy
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16:00<john>anyone know how to help me with kde?
16:01<Bushmills>nobody does
16:02<john>so, where is the kde tech support room?
16:02<Bushmills>they're unlikely to be able to
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16:02<john>???
16:02<john>how can i get my kde fixed then?
16:02<Bushmills>they can only help with problems which have been described clearly
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16:03<john>ok, where is it?
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16:04<chealer>john: not without knowing what can help you with KDE
16:04<chealer>!tell john about kde
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16:08<john>ty
16:09<john>i appreciate it very much
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16:19<bimbim>finaly got my system to boot :)
16:19<bimbim>the trick was to use DVI connection not VGA
16:19<bimbim>with d-sub, I got black screen
16:20<bimbim>is it okay? when only DVI works? (card is Quadro FC 4500)
16:20<bimbim>s/FC/FX/
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16:31<ubuntu_>hiya
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16:32<ubuntu_>am impressed it works on me tablet pc...
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16:54<fruitsaladYUMMY>good afternoon!
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16:56<fruitsaladYUMMY>Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/main i386 Packages
16:56<fruitsaladYUMMY> 403 Forbidden
16:56<fruitsaladYUMMY> -- how do i fix this?
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17:04<aracon>fruitsaladYUMMY: perhaps you could try another mirror
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17:16<fruitsaladYUMMY>aracon i have tried that but i do not get the non-free sources, should all mirrors have non-free, do i have to manually add that directory in sources
17:18<babilen>fruitsaladYUMMY: Looks as if you are missing the final "debian/" in your sources. Could you paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ?
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17:30<fruitsaladYUMMY>i do not see the non-free in sources\thirdparty software... but do see non-free when i do apt-get update
17:31<babilen>!show sources.list
17:31<dpkg>Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
17:31<babilen>fruitsaladYUMMY: Please paste the output of ^^^^ and of "apt-get update" to http://paste.debian.net -- thanks
17:33<fruitsaladYUMMY>babilen it seems to be working. I think the problem was to change my mirror (which i had done a few times) but also remove the source which was giving me forbidden
17:33<babilen>*shrug*
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17:34<fruitsaladYUMMY>i am now able to install an app that previously i could not. I can still copy the output if you wish
17:35<babilen>Up to you -- I am happy if you are happy. :)
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17:49<fruitsaladYUMMY>Im happy! thanks babilen.. and thank you debian!
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18:19<drgnet101>hi am a a new debian user. is there a sensible way to black list evolution from installing and still keep a working gnome desktop?
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18:20<cthuluh>does it take that much disk space?
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18:21<drgnet101>i dont use it as a mail client and the functionality seems a bit overkill for what i need.
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18:22<cthuluh>so just don't use it
18:23<drgnet101>yes, that is an option.
18:24<cthuluh>you could also remove evolution, see that the gnome metapackage is removed too, and add by hand what you need
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18:24<cthuluh>aptitude is a nice tool for that
18:24<cthuluh>though I guess synaptic would be ok too
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18:26<drgnet101>it seems ~ 6.8M disk usage looking at /usr/lib/evolution and /usr/share./doc/evolution. i guess not that much.
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18:44<jaapnieuwland>I'm trying to set up SSL on apache2 using debian 5. Could someone assist me, I need to import my CSR which was provided by geotrust (my certificate provider)
18:44<jaapnieuwland>geotrust are being dicks about helping me
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18:46<themill>you are, of course, aware that now is the time to be putting your lenny->squeeze migration plans into action, aren't you?
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18:47<jaapnieuwland>me?
18:48<cthuluh>yes, *you*
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18:49<Black_Prince>Lenny's End of Life is February iirc ..
18:49<Black_Prince>Less than 2 months ...
18:51<jaapnieuwland>No, because I'm not a server administrator, I know F.A. about this stuff, our server guy just bailed off work with a tumor in his head, I'm a lowly web developer, one who is stuck setting up an SSL certificate, one who can't find any decent documentation on how to do so. Is this a place I can find help or nah?
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18:53<cthuluh>jaapnieuwland: you generate a key pair, and then a a csr ; you submit the csr to geotrust ; geotrust gives you a certificate ; you feed apache with the key pair and the csr
18:54<cthuluh>jaapnieuwland: geotrust has documentation about the key pair and the csr creation and submission
18:55<drgnet101>depends what you mean by decent documentation. but there are lots of docs out there as its very common request. what problem are you having?
18:55<drgnet101>http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html
18:56<cthuluh>better use the 2.2 documentation
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18:56<Black_Prince>judd: versions apache2
18:56<judd>Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny11; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze3; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4; sid: 2.2.21-3; wheezy: 2.2.21-3
18:56<Black_Prince>Yeah, lenny has 2.2 version.
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18:56<jaapnieuwland>These are the instructions I'm trying to follow http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/ssl-guides/debian-5-lenny, I've also been on live chat with geotrust, the agent told me she can't help me and that these instructions won't help me either because they dont explain how to import the CSR that geotrust have generated for me. Geotrust generated a csr automatically for me on ordering
18:57<cthuluh>jaapnieuwland: waow, sorry, "you feed apache with the key pair and the !!!csr!!!" <- not with the csr, with the certificate
18:59<jaapnieuwland>So at this stage I believe I need to create the 3 files under /etc/apache2/ssl/ with the cert, the private key and the CA, configure virtual host file and restart apache. Not sure what to do with the CSR
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18:59<themill>the CSR is the thing that you give to geotrust, not something you get from them
18:59<jaapnieuwland>hmm, ok so I can probably disregard it then?
19:00<jaapnieuwland>not sure why I have a copy of it
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19:03<jaapnieuwland>also, in ports.conf would I put <VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443>
19:03<jaapnieuwland> SSLEngine On.... etc between <IfModule mod_ssl.c>....
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19:06<Black_Prince>I'd first check if ssl module is enabled by using a2enmod ssl
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19:12<hoshi411>what package is responsible for playing midi files in a web browser?
19:12<hoshi411>ive installed everything that looks suspicious
19:12<hoshi411>but keep getting request for plugin
19:13<medicalwei>timidity (guessing)
19:14<hoshi411>medicalwei thanks :9
19:16<medicalwei>hoshi411: does it works OwO?
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19:28<hoshi411>medicalwei nope
19:28<hoshi411>im using iceweasel
19:28<hoshi411>still get the message , cant find plugin
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19:29<hoshi411>at this site http://hymntime.com/tch/htm/a/m/a/amazing_grace.htm
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19:39<hoshi411>is there like a webplugins pack like ubuntu has the nonfree extras ... something like that?
19:39<hoshi411>maybe that is what i need
19:40<hoshi411>i searched apt for midi plugin and didnt get anything useful
19:40<hoshi411>o_O im stumped
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19:43<hoshi411>hmm
19:43<hoshi411>what to do what to do
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21:12<jw>Hello, when I type "lsmod", snd_pcm line shows saa7134_alsa first then snd_usb_audio. Does that mean defaul pcm device is saa7134?
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21:17<sney>jw: lsmod is more or less alphabetical. cat /proc/asound/cards to see your device priorities
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21:27<jw>that cat cmd give me "1 [default ]: USB-Audio - USB Sound Device" which seems to be the right thing but there is "0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia" before that....
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21:30<sney>jw: the 0 and 1 show what alsa considers your defaults, 0 comes first, then 1 etc
21:30<sney>jw: iirc, it is not possible to set usb audio as the actual default unless it is the only sound device
21:31<sney>jw: but you can try anyway: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc
21:31<jw>even though it says it's default... the nvidia thing is graphics card with DVI out only.... no hdmi
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21:33<theocrite>Hello.
21:33<sney>jw: it must have the support in the chip. all the driver sees is what the hardware claims, not what plugs are available. anyway, that wiki page has some info for setting a usb card as the default output, so good luck
21:33<theocrite>I have a weird bug.
21:34<sney>theocrite: I'll just assume you're typing
21:34<theocrite>My sound used to work perfectly. But then I installed mpd. Now it only works in mpd. Not in mplayer or vlc (or anything else that I'm aware of) anymore.
21:34<theocrite>sney: I am :)
21:34<theocrite>Also, mplayer doesn't display any message.
21:35<theocrite>In the console where I launch it.
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21:35<sney>did mpd pull anything in as a dependency like pulseaudio or jack?
21:35<theocrite>So I really don't know what I shoud do (where I should investigate).
21:35<theocrite>Any ideas ?
21:36<theocrite>sney: I don't think so (checking).
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21:36<theocrite>sney: nope. Just mpd and libmms0.
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21:37<sney>does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?
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21:37<theocrite>And I'm still using alsa. Both in mpd (my alsa device) and in mplayer (-ao alsa).
21:38<theocrite>sney: nope.
21:38<zykotick9>theocrite: if you stop all instances of mpd, does mplayer audio start working?
21:38<theocrite>sney: it displays the message "Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono" tho. But no sound.
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21:39<sney>it's a pretty quiet wav. you might need to turn it up a bit.
21:39<theocrite>zykotick9: no. It stops the music being played in mpd, but mplayer still makes no sound. Even if I relaunch it after mpd being stopped.
21:39<theocrite>sney: ok.
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21:39<theocrite>sney: I still got nothing even with mpd turned off.
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21:40<sney>I hate troubleshooting sound issues. from what I remember, alsa doesn't like having more than 1 program trying to give it sound output at a time.
21:40<sney>so something like pulseaudio could even _solve_ your issue, though I know even less about using it
21:41<theocrite>sney: I hate that too. And I totally understand it can bother you. Thanks for trying to help despite that.
21:42<sney>you called it a bug. has anyone else reported the same behaviour on bugs.debian.org?
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21:42<theocrite>sney: As far as I know, my soundcard has hardware stuff that allows multiple sounds at one time. That's why I never needed to set a asourdrc configuration (or something). Well that's what I was told a long time ago. I might be wrong.
21:43<theocrite>sney: I didn't check yet (sorry?), I'll do it right now. I'll consider reporting and/or testing with pulseaudio.
21:43<theocrite>Even tho I'm scared it might break more things that it fixes. :)
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21:44*theocrite will check bug reports for alsa and mpd. Not sure if there is a use to check bug reports for mplayer, vlc etc.
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21:48<sney>it would probably be under mpd since that's what introduced the behaviour
21:52<jw>ok I just created .asoundrc and that solved the problem that was bugging me since Friday evening thank you sney!
21:53<sney>jw: no problem
21:53<sney>theocrite: I'm out for a bit, if you're still here when I get back I'll follow up
21:54<theocrite>sney: I'm following http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568588 not sure if it's the same problem. I'll try what I can. Don't think I'll be here when you'll be back (it's late), but thanks a lot for the help.
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22:27<iDraganL>serbia?
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23:54<HUGO>hola
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23:57<TomChilders>Hey guys I'm having some issues with randoms using my postfix server to send out mail is there any way to limit it to just my domain?
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