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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-19

---Logopened Mon Dec 19 00:00:41 2011
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00:02<ham5>not sure from the postfix end, but iptables could probly manage something like that
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00:07<cthuluh>netfilter would have problems to make a difference between a mail delivery and a mail forwarding attempt
00:07<cthuluh>TomChilders: are you sure about that?
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00:08<sney>actually that's usually handled at dns
00:08<sney>I don't remember the syntax but google apps's setup instructions has it
00:09<TomChilders>Yeah i'm getting blacklisted on major mail services.
00:10<cthuluh>but are you sure one can send mail *through* your mail server?
00:11<cthuluh>http://www.abuse.net/relay.html
00:11<cthuluh>gah, broken
00:12<cthuluh>there are dozens of openrelay testing around the net anyway
00:14<ichdasic1>TomChilders: could you hand over a postconf -n?
00:14<scraze>TomChilders: from http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relay_from ; "Authorized remote destinations are defined with the relay_domains configuration parameter."
00:15<TomChilders>Scraze: ty.
00:15<ichdasic1>scraze: this is probably more a problem of mynetworks config parameter.
00:16<scraze>ah, snap, should've quoted the following sentence instead then :]
00:17<scraze>- no, that's mydestination - excuse me.
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02:14<Zeroe>Anyone there?
02:14<medicalwei>!ask
02:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:14<@Ganneff>!anyone
02:14<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
02:14<@Ganneff>!there
02:14<dpkg>where?
02:15<@Ganneff>:)
02:16*medicalwei found it funny when i ask dpkg legal
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02:16<Zeroe>Well, that was a nice response, lol
02:16<medicalwei>!legal
02:16<dpkg>who cares?
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02:18<Zeroe>Does anyone know anything about securing a debian dedicated server, and by that I mean securing for production, like for an eCommerce site
02:20<scraze>!securing
02:20<dpkg>The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ Packaged for Debian as harden-doc. See also <manuals>.
02:21<scraze>I hope that's up to date though.
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02:22<Zeroe>Oh ok, thank you, I'll definitely read through that. Much appreciated
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03:00<Salvatore>Hi
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03:03<Salvatore>Goodbye
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05:28<simon1969>graphviz dot format, are there any graphical viewers for Debian or should I just stick it in svg and hope that Inkscape copes? It is Perl profiling information I want to view
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05:33<Zaba>simon1969, you can view and render it with tools from the graphviz package
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05:35<simon1969>Zaba: I just read the graphviz man page and wasn't sure which to try, they all looked like low level manipulation or graph creating programs.
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05:37<Zaba>simon1969, 'graph layout programs' are the renderers
05:37<Zaba>simon1969, for example, dot -Tpng file.dot > file.png renders file.dot into a png image
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05:43<simon1969>Zaba: that is what I figured. I see that "sid" has a packaged viewer of some sort, and KDE has one, seems they didn't make it to stable yet. I've created as SVG but not terribly easy to manipulate.
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08:01<deavid>has anyone tried freenect on Debian Sid or Debian Testing?
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08:12<CommanderMeat>hi
08:12<CommanderMeat>Any gurus here?
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08:13<abrotman>CommanderMeat: just ask your real question
08:14<Bushmills>maybe that was the real question?
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08:14<CommanderMeat>Well, I'm a heavy gamer, I take quake very seriously, I installed linux to give myself a better mouse input but
08:14<CommanderMeat>I'm getting some kind of input lag using a USB mouse
08:14<abrotman>ugh ...
08:14<CommanderMeat>Which I don't experience on windows
08:14*abrotman thought it might be a real question ..
08:15<CommanderMeat>I'm really not sure how to diagnose this on linux, I'm a complete newb
08:16<CommanderMeat>If it makes any difference it's quake live (Browser based) And I use prism to launch it
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08:16<babilen>CommanderMeat: Which Linux distribution did you install?
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08:16<CommanderMeat>Ubuntu 10.10
08:16<babilen>!ubuntuirc
08:16<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
08:16<CommanderMeat>ty
08:16<babilen>CommanderMeat: Good luck!
08:17<CommanderMeat>appreciate it
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08:17<babilen>*phew*
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09:12<daz>afternoon
09:13<martituka_88>quien eres?
09:13<martituka_88>de donde eres?
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09:14<vrkalak>!es
09:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:41<ahas>http://imagetwist.com/taa5yqql1lu0/image.jpg.html
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10:48<mike>hello every one
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10:49<Guest20905>how can i find the link to the bug #589373 in package 'xserver-xorg-core' that was reassigned to 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686'?
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10:51<eightyeight>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589373
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10:52<Guest20905>i know i have this link but itwas transfered and i cant find where?
10:53<eightyeight>oh, i see. you want the reassigned number
10:53<Guest20905>yep if u may pleas
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10:55<Lord_Faller>hi
10:56<eightyeight>Guest20905: it's the same number, just reassigned to a different package, but the bug is still open
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10:57<Guest20905>eightyeight: ok, so how can i get the link to continue reading the updates?
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11:01<eightyeight>Guest20905: that's it
11:01<eightyeight>the link i already have you
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11:02<Guest20905>eightyeight: i read everything in the end they say that it was reasigned...and thats it
11:03<eightyeight>right. it's been reassigned to the right package. that's the last update
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11:03<Guest20905>eightyeight: ohh ok i got it thanks
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11:03<Guest20905>eightyeight: so no body figured out the solution yet
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11:04<eightyeight>the bug is still open
11:05<Guest20905>eightyeight: to bad :D
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11:39<ballison>i use thunderbird. is there a way i can GREP through all my messages? I need to generate a report based on the emails i received
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11:45<sheila>hola
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11:57<mhall119>ballison: try apt-get install mboxgrep perhaps?
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11:57<mhall119>I'm pretty sure thunderbird uses mbox files
11:59<CrossBeam>Hello everyone. I am having an issue with my Postfix box being used by spammers. I have looked into locking down the postfix install: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0 OutSideIPAddress
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12:06<CrossBeam>is this the correct method of locking down postfix?
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12:07<daemonkeeper>Depends. What's your smtpd_recipient_restrictions set to?
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13:22<CrossBeam>daemonkeeper: its set to "smtpd_recipient_restrictions ="
13:23<CrossBeam>daemonkeeper: sorry for the delayed response didn't see you had responded.
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13:23<daemonkeeper>Well
13:23<daemonkeeper>There is your problem
13:23<daemonkeeper>http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_recipient_restrictions Limit access to your relay.
13:24<daemonkeeper>You may want to set permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated (if applicable) and reject pretty much everything else.
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13:25<CrossBeam> deamonkeeper: http://pastebin.com/DrQYxWj5
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13:26<daemonkeeper>Well ...
13:27<daemonkeeper>What do you think is the effect of the last line?
13:27<CrossBeam>negates the lines above was my thought.
13:27<CrossBeam>set to permissive.
13:28<daemonkeeper>It's a fall through chain. If a mail passes through until there _all_ mails are forwarded.
13:28<daemonkeeper>Said in other words: You configured an open relay.
13:28<CrossBeam>thank you for help.
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13:28<CrossBeam>I appreaciate the way in which you helped me put the pieces together btw.
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13:29<orion_>ciao a tutti
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13:42<jhutchins>!it
13:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:52<mark>Is GPT enabled in the kernel. I am partitioning a SSD.
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13:54<mark>Nice to see that Debian is by default respecting a EBS at 2048 =)
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13:57<mark>Archlinux and others recommend not using a MBR and to use GPT for SSD aliment. The kernel must have this enabled for GPT though. Does Debian support this?
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13:59<devil>mark: depends on the kernel
14:00<mark>devil I can drop in 3.1 if that is needed
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14:01<devil>mark: afaik, all SSD features including trim are implemented since 2.28.x
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14:01<devil>2.6.28, that is :)
14:02<devil>o, 2.6.33 it is. just looked up an old article of mine
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14:03<mark>devil nice to know. See that Debian is starting at 2048 if you do a "fdisk -lu" so that is an indication that it "thinks" about ssd at least. TRIM just needs a little 'discard' put in fstab and all is good
14:04<devil>from 2.6.33 yes, discard is enough
14:04<devil>and gdisk is to be preferred
14:04<devil>to fdisk in this case
14:04<mark>Yeah gdisk is the way to go but brakes fdisk. Both love and hate new stuff.
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14:05<mark>GPT that is
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14:20<tziOm>I am having trouble with lxc in debian, it just hangs after starting ssh..
14:20<tziOm>no console
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14:46<martituka_88>ola!!
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14:46<martituka_88>quien eres?
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14:48<martituka_88>como te llamas?
14:48<dipseydoodle>Hello
14:48<martituka_88>de donde eres?
14:48<ansgar>!es
14:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:48<dipseydoodle>Not sure if this is the right channel, sorry if it isn't. Is there a file(dir) on debian where I can get only the source code?
14:49<martituka_88>me lo puedes decir en español please
14:49<dipseydoodle>I am hoping to do a little distro-ing some time soon, and debian would be a great base for me.
14:49<martituka_88>no te entiendo
14:50<dipseydoodle>Are there any english speakers here?
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14:51<martituka_88>no, no hablo inglés
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14:51<ansgar>!ops martituka_88
14:51<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: martituka_88
14:51<dipseydoodle>no hablo espanol
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14:52<ansgar>dipseydoodle: The complete source is available in the repositories.
14:52<dipseydoodle>ftp?
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14:52<dipseydoodle>As in the same area that I would get the release iso?
14:53<dipseydoodle>Ok...
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14:56<dipseydoodle>thank you, bye
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14:56<martituka_88>bye
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15:01<zero_>this is a bit off-topic but does anyone know a good tutorial on emacs that is not the built-in tutorial? it would be better if the tutorial was a screencast or something..
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15:02<abrotman>zero_: might want to ask #emacs on freenode
15:02<zero_>abrotman: yeah I guess i'll go there, thanks
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15:31<tziOm>how can I run tcpdump on a bridge and receive all traffic?
15:32<cthuluh>isn't ''tcpdump -i $brif'' enough?
15:32<tziOm>npo
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15:34<jordanm>tzafrir: what about the parent interface of the bridge?
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15:35<tziOm>that works, yes
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15:39<cthuluh>*shrug*
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16:01<Karth>hey, could anyone reccomend a gui utility for mounting smb shares? something lightweight that isn't KDE or Gnome dependant
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16:17<mhall119>nautilus is what I usually use
16:17<mhall119>smb://host/share
16:17<mhall119>I'm not sure of any separate GUI
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16:19<cthuluh>well, Thunar has a plugin for that, but it uses gvfs under the hood
16:19<cthuluh>so it doesn't require all gnome, but a subpart of it
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16:33<CrossBeam>I want to cat a range of lines 15-20 of a file. I have looked in the man pages for cat but couldn't see how to do it.
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16:36<eightyeight>CrossBeam: use awk(1)
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16:37<Tiesel>Hey, I'm having a problem with ALSA, it won't work unless I chmod 777 /dev/snd, but this only lasts until I reboot, is there a more permanent solution?
16:37<eightyeight>$ awk 'NR >= 15 && NR <= 20' /path/to/file
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16:39<Bushmills>or sed: sed -n '15,20p' file
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16:41<Bushmills>Tiesel: add yourself to the audio group
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16:41<Tiesel>alright, what would be the command for that?
16:42<Bushmills>you can use adduser
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16:43<eightyeight>Bushmills: his account likely already exists on the system
16:43<eightyeight>Tiesel: if that's the case, then you can use gpasswd(1):
16:43<ml|>groupadd, irrc
16:43<Bushmills>eightyeight: he is supposed to add himself to a group
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16:43<eightyeight># gpasswd -a <user> audio
16:43<Tiesel>seeing as the system was built up from only having a root account, its not suprising if I'm not in the audio group
16:43<eightyeight>Bushmills: right
16:43<Bushmills>eightyeight: adduser can be used for that purpose
16:44<ml|>*addgroup
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16:45<Bushmills>Tiesel: "built up from only having a root account" - how do you log in as user if there isn't any?
16:45<Tiesel>I added the user later on
16:46<Bushmills>so you need to add user to audio group. could be annoying if every new user could play sounds
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16:47<Tiesel>so which of the commands should I use then :P
16:47<Bushmills>whatever rocks your boat
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16:48<ml|>they all should work ;)
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16:48<Tiesel>alright, added
16:48<Tiesel>adduser didn't work but gpasswd did
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16:48<Bushmills>adduser *does* work
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16:48<ml|>yep it does
16:48<Tiesel>well I did it wrong then, said that user already exists
16:49<Bushmills>you weren't supposed to add a new user, but to add a user to a group
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16:49<Tiesel>as I said, think I used the command wrong
16:50<Bushmills>*nod*
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16:50<Tiesel>glad sound is the only piece of hardware that doesn't work out of the box
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16:56<Tiesel>well bad news, it didn't work
16:57<Tiesel>sound still doesn't work until I chmod 777 /dev/snd
16:57<Bushmills>log out and in again
16:57<Tiesel>I reset after the command
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16:58<Bushmills>see whether executing command groups shows you in audio group
16:58<Tiesel>alright
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16:58<Tiesel>it returns username audio
16:59<Tiesel>and thats it
16:59<Bushmills>what are permissions of /dev/snd ?
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17:00<Tiesel>owner: root (root)
17:00<Bushmills>permissions ...
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17:00<Tiesel>sorry, I'm not that experienced with all that, how would I check it
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17:01<Bushmills>ls -ld
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17:01<Tiesel>it returned drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 180
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17:03<Bushmills>changing to 777 would have no effect
17:03<Tiesel>no idea, but it works
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17:04<Bushmills>that's a direct with the files in it accessable by anybody
17:04<Bushmills>directory, even
17:04<Tiesel>oh wait, 1 minute
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17:06<Tiesel>it appears the last chown 777 I did stuck...
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17:06<Tiesel>its working after reboots now
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17:08<Tiesel>well thats wierd, ah well, it works
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17:12<Tiesel>thanks for the help btw
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18:05<tolkien>list channel
18:06<tolkien>allchanl
18:06<babilen>tolkien: What are you trying to do?
18:06<daemonkeeper>Looking for /quit
18:06<tolkien>looking to see what channels are available
18:06<tolkien>thought it was /list
18:07<tolkien>forget it... just installed new irc client and did not realize it connected me to #debian automatically
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19:21<xun>I just tried running a test on my debian wheezy box, running 3.0.0-1, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/zero, the speeds I got was 9 MB/s with one instance
19:22<xun>then i rebooted to 3.1.0-1 and ran the exact same test, this time i got 15 MB/s
19:22<xun>how come?
19:23<Nemoder>http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
19:23<xun>Im running it on a i7-2600k btw, I have ran the exact same test many times in the past with the same results
19:23<xun>oh, good idea
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20:20<tescoo>hello
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20:21<tescoo>how can i import an sql file into an existing database?
20:21<nevyn>what variant of sql?
20:21<tescoo>i've tried [db_name] < [file.sql], but it said 'syntax error'
20:21<tescoo>mysql
20:22<nevyn>does the sql file start with create_database or similar?
20:22<tescoo>no, it would create the tables
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20:23<tescoo>create table if not exists....
20:23<abrotman>tescoo: was teh .sql file intended for mysql ?
20:24<abrotman>or what was the source database system ?
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20:24<tescoo>yes, i did it on windows and now i just want to move it to debian
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20:24<hoanglamvx>hello
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20:25<abrotman>so what's the syntax error ?
20:25<hoanglamvx>I'm Vietnamese
20:25<hoanglamvx>Nice to meet you
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20:26<hoanglamvx>I'm a new member
20:27<tescoo>it doesn't say, 'you have an error in your sql syntax, check the manual....to use near [db_name] < [db_file.sql] at line 1'
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20:28<abrotman>on line 1?
20:28<tescoo>yes
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20:32<themill>what exact syntax are you using and how are you using it?
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20:32<tescoo>to import?
20:32<themill>yeah
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20:33<tescoo>blog < /var/www/blog.sql
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20:33<themill>umm... that's not making much sense
20:33<blast007>tescoo: are you already within a MySQL 'shell' ?
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20:34<tescoo>well, i've just found it on the internet, it said 'mysql -u -p *db_name* < *file.sql*'
20:34<tescoo>yes
20:34<blast007>if so, you can to do 'use blog' to switch to the blog database, and then do 'source /var/www/blog.sql' to actually import it (iirc)
20:34<themill>that's not the same
20:34<themill>tescoo: what you're doing is different to what that command is doing.
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20:36<tescoo>thanks, it worked blast007 :)
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20:38<acu>where should I place the libflashplayer.so in Debian Wheezy ? It is the proprietary downloaded flash from adobe and I forgot where is the location
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20:42<chealer>acu: do you know flashplugin-nonfree?
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20:42<acu>chealer: I know - but I tried it today and it did not work
20:42<acu>I could try in this computer - it is another Wheezy install
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20:43<vook>is there a clean way to mount /var to a different partition without powering off ? I'm slowly running out of space on an existing /var
20:43<acu>do you know the location I think is some /ust/something
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20:44<acu>vook: it maybe posible, did you use lvm ?
20:45<vook>no. I already have the new partition ready - I keep running 'rsync -av'. mount -o bind possibly? or mount -o remount ?
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20:50<acu>vook, unfortunately I do now know how to do it - but I am sure this type of tools are available - some kind of live migration
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20:53<acu>see you guys - chealer - strangely it worked on this computer - tried non-free in the morning on other computers and it did not work
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21:43<john>hello again everyone :)
21:44<john>anyone awake in here?
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23:15<sparky4>I have a issue
23:16<sparky4>I am switching a system's hdd from 1 computer to a compleatly different system.....
23:16<sparky4>and Debian failed too boot
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23:32<kop>sparky4: You probably want to run "update-initramfs -u". To do that boot off an install cd in rescue mode.
23:33<aussa>I can't find djview at the wheezy repos? why is that?
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23:34<kop>!why is djview not in wheezy
23:34<dpkg>djview is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=djview
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23:34<sparky4>kop: thank you ^^
23:34<aussa>kop, oh ok, any alternative?
23:34<kop>sparky4: But that's a guess. See the <dosen't work> factoid.
23:35<kop>aussa: No clue. Sorry.
23:35<kop>aussa: What does it do?
23:35<aussa>kop, ok ty
23:35<aussa>reads .djvu files
23:35<kop>aussa: Use debtags to search.
23:36<aussa>ok
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23:42<sparky4>kop: debian-live-6.0.3-i386-rescue.iso will do?
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23:43<kop>sparky4: Makes sense to me. (Although you don't need a live cd, a regular installer will do.)
23:44<sparky4>i already have that ISO downloaded
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23:49<kenyon>aussa: okular reads dejavu files
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