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---Logopened Tue Dec 20 00:00:54 2011
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00:18<sparky4>kop: error messages
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00:22<kenyon>sparky4: there is a backtrace due to a kernel bug in the first screen
00:23<sparky4>kernel bugs!?!?
00:24<sparky4>it's a bug?
00:26<kenyon>yeah, but that may not be causing a problem. what are you doing in those pictures there, booting from an install CD?
00:26<sparky4>booting from hdd
00:26<sparky4>and booting from cd will do something similar
00:27<kenyon>so you can't boot the installer CD?
00:29<sparky4>let me try one more time
00:31<kenyon>then it seems unlikely to me that you'll be able to boot from that hard drive
00:32<sparky4>it works fine on the old system
00:32<sparky4>but it's a laptop comuter
00:32<sparky4>and it's not suitable for server use
00:33<kenyon>has this hardware ever booted into some linux kernel?
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00:34<sparky4>not the new hardware
00:37<sparky4>kenyon: nope
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00:38<kenyon>well, that's what you need to do
00:38<kenyon>maybe try debian testing
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00:39<sparky4>kenyon: upgrade the OS on the old system?
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00:39<kenyon>sparky4: no, get an installer to boot on the new one so you know what kernel version you need
00:40*sparky4 ERROR no blank cd are advalib;le
00:40<kenyon>are the dots your progress indicator?
00:41<kenyon>how about USB or network boot?
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01:08<jardiamj>Hello, I'm sorry for this newbie question but how do I use powertop?
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01:09<kenyon>jardiamj: you just run it, sudo powertop
01:09<aussa>I'm trying to see .jdvu documents with okular, but I'm getting this error: can not find a plugin which is able to handle the document being passed.
01:09<kenyon>aussa: you have to install okular-extra-backends
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01:10<jardiamj>but my system is showing arround 1500 wakeups per second
01:10<aussa>kenyon, where do I find it?
01:11<kenyon>aussa: aptitude install okular-extra-backends
01:11<jardiamj>kenyon, and I don't see any suggestion..
01:13<jardiamj>under de Tunable menu there are a list of things with a Good or Bad mark what I can change with an Enter, in despite how they are, it doesn't seem to help..
01:14<jardiamj>I have a Thinkpad T420 that under Windows 7 holds over 4 hrs of battery with my normal usage and under Debian just lasts a little over 2 hrs.
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01:40<dardevelin>jardiamj, that doesn't prove anything, unless you explicitly make detailed info on what is running, and what is happening with The OS, including power management etc
01:41<jardiamj>doesn't prove anything? I'm trying to prove anything..
01:43<jardiamj>dardevelin, I'm trying to figure out what I can do to save power so my laptop can run on battery for longer
01:43<jardiamj>I'm *not trying to prove anything
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01:50<dardevelin>jardiamj, when i said prove it was in the sense that your comparison has no useful information.
01:51<dardevelin>one of the things you can is, select to spin down the disks when possible
01:51<dardevelin>it will actually turn of some hd's when not in use
01:51<dardevelin>for instance
01:51<kenyon>besides, with debian you can do more in 2 hours of battery life than you can with 4 hours of Windows 7
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01:53<jardiamj>hahahahaha, that's an absolute truth kenyon
01:53<dardevelin>jardiamj, another thing that makes it save a lot less power is for example the DE you use
01:53<dardevelin>some are more resource intensive
01:54<dardevelin>the monitor is by far the most energy consumptive resource, so brightness down and you will gain much likely half an hour
01:55<dardevelin>desktop environment
01:55<jm_>jardiamj: which kernel version are you using?
01:55<jardiamj>I ussually have my monitor in 70 - 75% brightness
01:56<dardevelin>consider putting it at 50% when in need for longer time
01:56<dardevelin>some laptop monitors actually display some what good even on it's lowest brightness
01:56<jardiamj>my kernel is 3.1
01:57<dardevelin>ofcourse is not pretty, but if you wanted something to really last long
01:57<dardevelin>there are some sacrifices
01:57<jardiamj>I'm going on a long trip, that's why I'm looking into it right now
01:57<dardevelin>i mean honestly if you only used terminal, you would get 5-6 or even more battery time
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01:58<jm_>that one has the same power regression as the 2.6.38 kernel + some new ones
01:58<dardevelin>i do it sometimes and is awesome :D
01:58<jardiamj>hahahahahaha....I might have to do that..
02:00<dardevelin>it really depends on what you want to do
02:00<dardevelin>as well
02:00<jardiamj>I imagine the people in the airport staring at my laptop...
02:00<dardevelin>you can disable services and sh** that is not required to be running when in X circumstance
02:01<dardevelin>they must be used to that, stallman takes his leemote everywhere rofl :D
02:01<jardiamj>but I know my laptop has options to save extra power, but I don't know how to enable them
02:01<dardevelin>and he is always traveling so :D
02:02<dardevelin>are you going to be using wifi ?
02:02<dardevelin>if not, shutdown the thing
02:02<dardevelin>wifi also drains a good amount of power, because it checks for the networks constantly to display them to you
02:03<dardevelin>use headphones usually require less power to then the integrated speakers
02:04<dardevelin>use the touchpad since it's already being powered instead of a usb powered mouse (this is not much energy, but in the wrong run will make a difference )
02:04<jardiamj>I always power off bluetooth also for the same reason..
02:05<jardiamj>but when it's always on by default when I start the laptop
02:05<dardevelin>you probably can disable the auto "on" on the bios
02:05<jardiamj>I managed to turn off my Nvidia Card that's been doing nothing in there for a couple of months
02:06<dardevelin>when the OS settings are not getting applied
02:06<dardevelin>energy will still be wasted on it, since is part of the motherboard
02:07<dardevelin>just less because it's not processing
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02:09<jardiamj>I don't know why Lenovo doesn't have anything like ThinkVantage for Linux
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02:17<gnuboy>hi, who knows that debian-installer written in which programming language ?
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02:19<dardevelin>gnuboy, why not apt-get source debian-installer and check it ?
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02:21<gnuboy>dardevelin: I'm not a programmer, I don't understand codes, I just need it for an article, I didn't find any reference for it.
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02:21<jardiamj>let me check it out
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02:23<dardevelin>seams a lot is bash scripts
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02:24<dardevelin>has some perl
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02:25<gnuboy>dardevelin: what about C ?
02:25<jm_>have a look here, especially the "installer internals" part --
02:26<dardevelin>haven't found nothing on C so far still looking
02:26<dardevelin>the task consists in reading a lot config files
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02:26<dardevelin>and C isn't nice for that, since you need to handle you memory
02:29<gnuboy>jm_: thanks, I had a look at it's toc, seems there is nothing about my question
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02:32<dardevelin>it seams only that bash shell and perl
02:33<dardevelin>and a lot of config templates
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02:39<gnuboy>dardevelin: thanks :)
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03:43<Hogren>hello !
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03:55<oliva>hi there anybody knows why webmin is not in debian?
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03:55<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
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03:56<oliva>jm_: thanks
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04:44<qiyong>is ldap good?
04:44<qiyong>why one should use it?
04:44<jww_>ldap is very good.
04:44<meebey>central user db or central addressbook, good for company networks
04:44<qiyong>jww_: and is used where?
04:44<jww_>with it you don't need to make search on the web, or to read documenation.
04:45<qiyong>jww_: for mail and for what else?
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04:45<qiyong>jww_: search what? its usage?
04:46<qiyong>meebey: what is a addressbook? email contact addressbook?
04:46<meebey>yes, for example
04:46<qiyong>meebey: open or private?
04:46<weasel>are pliers any good? why one should use it?
04:46<weasel>or should I use a knive instead?
04:46<meebey>thats up to you, most mail clients cant write to LDAP though, just search and show
04:46<jww_>weasel: can I use it for mail ?
04:47<weasel>jww_: I'm sure with enough duct tape...
04:47<weasel>qiyong: ldap is a tool. if you don't know you need it, you probably don't.
04:48<jww_>look on wikipedia orso, to see what it's used for.
04:48<qiyong>does thunderbird support ldap?
04:49<meebey>you should ask google
04:49<weasel>ldap is just an *access* protocol.
04:49<weasel>it's not an application or usage model.
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04:53<qiyong>so ldap is mainly for email address book?
04:54<qiyong>is there any public ldap address book? do spamers make use of them?
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05:12<vjacob>what's the diff between writing linux to memory stick using 'unetbootin' and 'dd if=x of=y' ?
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05:16<jm_>unetbootin can be used also with images that aren't made directly for memory sticks
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05:37<amoe>Is cdrdao the only program that you can use to burn bin/cue images in debian?
05:39<amoe>Apparently not, wodim can now do it too. :)
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06:05<marina>hola :)
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06:05<Lara>tu quien eres?!
06:06<themill>!es-social Lara
06:06<dpkg>Lara: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:07<Lara>que guai
06:07<Lara>de donde sois?
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06:41<medicalwei>may i ask recommendations on web control panels
06:41<Kharec>hi there
06:42*medicalwei doesn't know which should be best for our new service.
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06:46<babilen>!tell medicalwei -about free whcp
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06:46<babilen>medicalwei: That should give you a list of whcps you can try. I have no recommendation though.
06:47<medicalwei>babilen: these are choices… i am reading the link to wiki.debian
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06:50<jm_>hmm I always lose ability to move tabs in long running iceweasel instance - anyone else noticed this? I first observed it with version 7
06:52<medicalwei>jm_: i can…
06:52<jm_>medicalwei: you mean moving tabs arround works for you? it also works for me when I start it, but then after a while it suddenly stops working
06:55<medicalwei>jm_: yes.
06:55<medicalwei>and grouping tabs…
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06:57<jm_>in fact, I can't drag anything - even if customizing taskbar to add new items
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08:15<carmen>qe haceis feoss
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08:15<sparky4> <- how do I fix this issue
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08:15<marina>what are you?
08:15<carmen>carmen tu amiga
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08:16<carmen>una menos
08:16<carmen>tio no os vallais
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08:17<carmen>qe haces?¿ soi carmen
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08:17<babilen>!es-social carmen
08:17<dpkg>carmen: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:18<carmen>carmen la estrella dice: chao, chao a comermer un bacalaooooooo
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08:22<sparky4>help me!
08:23*babilen is not going to open that link ( would be fine )
08:23<sparky4>babilen: they are images
08:23<babilen>picpaste then
08:24<omry>any idea what can cause "The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2" when running apt-get update?
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08:24<babilen>omry: Which repository gives you that? (paste your sources.list and apt-get update output if unsure)
08:25<omry>babilen, my own private repo generated with apt-ftparchive
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08:51<sparky4>kenyon: ?
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08:57<sparky4>can you help me?
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08:59<mdupont>sparky4, yes i can help you
09:00<mdupont>start with asking a question
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09:01<sparky4> Here is photos of the issue i encountered
09:03<sparky4>mdupont: yoink
09:03<mdupont>sparky4, well what is the description?
09:03<sparky4>mdupont: debian (live ad on HDD) will not boot properly
09:03<sparky4>I will net detect the HDD
09:04<mdupont>ok, so you can boot from cd?
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09:07<sparky4>mdupont: yoink
09:07<mdupont>ok sparky4 lets see
09:07<mdupont>sparky4, what does a memory check say?
09:08<sparky4>let me see
09:08<sparky4>wait how do i do a memory check on a system that will not work?
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09:09<mdupont>sparky4, well take out the ram
09:09<mdupont>use ram you know it works
09:10<mdupont>sparky4, I gotta go. what you can do is transcribe some of the error messages and write a bug report about it.
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09:12<phlak>hello everyone :)
09:12<phlak>good morning time to wake up!
09:13<cargill>when trying to use grep with -z and -o enabled together, echo -en "a\nb\n" | grep -zoa "a.*" | cat -A outputs only the "a\n" part instead of the whole field, am I doing something wrong?
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09:14<phlak>hello :)
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09:14<phlak>not sure
09:14<themill>cargill: grep is line-based
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09:15<phlak>i am needing guidance
09:15<phlak>artsd doesn't connect to my sound card.
09:15<cargill>themill: but -z should switch the meaning of "line" to a "nul-terminated string", or no?
09:16<cargill>without "-o" it outputs what it should
09:16<phlak>i have documented a lot of data about the problem but have no solution.
09:17<themill>cargill: ahh, missed your -z. Yes.
09:17<phlak>i was hoping that someone with the right knowledge might be willing to offer advise.
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09:21<lcars47>anyone know anything about artsd or coundcards?
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09:23<melmothX>lcars47: the question is too generic. Does it works with plain alsa? Is it artsd specific?
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09:23<lcars47>not sure really.
09:23<melmothX>is the card supported by the kernel?
09:23<lcars47>the system bell accesses the card just fine and so does the bios.
09:23<melmothX>artsd is the top of the stack, maybe the problem is deeper
09:24<lcars47>partially so.
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09:25<lcars47>i was able to dectect and analyze it, but, not access it.
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09:31<lcars47>here is the details i was able to collect:
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09:33<lcars47> UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_2584
09:33<lcars47> Unique ID: qLht.zMgR0ZkgIm8
09:33<lcars47> SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:00.0
09:33<lcars47> SysFS BusID: 0000:00:00.0
09:33<lcars47> Hardware Class: bridge
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09:35<phlak>desktop: dell dimension 8400
09:35<phlak>sound card:
09:35<phlak>sound blaster audigy 2zs
09:36<phlak>any suggestions?
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09:36<scraze>phlak: be sure to paste output to instead of right on the channel; use lspci -nn | grep -i audio for more useful information (such as the card's PCI id)
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09:40<scraze>lcars47: no output for lspci -nn | grep -i audio ?
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09:41<lcars47>haven't tried that.
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09:42<lcars47>i will try it right now.
09:42<scraze>the information for lspci is probably contained in the last paste, but I'm not used to parsing hwinfo output
09:42<catsmeow>hey, im linuxnoob, got first time debian clean install only got irssi so far, cant figure out to connect wifi on asus a53sv, any help appreciated
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09:43<lcars47>maybe i can help, which release?
09:43<lcars47>my friendly and not so popular advise is to swith to etch, it's the best.
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09:44<lcars47>lenny and squeeze are severly messed up.
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09:45<sparky4>lcars47: you said it w
09:45<sparky4>etch also supports floppy network installation ^x^
09:46<heikkila>What's a floppy network?
09:46<sparky4>heikkila: you install the OS using floppies
09:47<heikkila>over the network?
09:47<sparky4>the bare minimal is loaded from floppies
09:47<sparky4>and the rest is from the network
09:47<Holborn>lcars47: I dont understand what's your problem ... in your lspci you have two soundcards and seems that both are correctly installed ..
09:47<heikkila>ah, I just load the installer from the network with tftp/pxe.. I don't even have a floppy drive anymore
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09:48<lcars47>how do i enter the pipe symbol?
09:48<heikkila>and etch is not officially supported so it's a bad advice to a newbie
09:48<scraze>lcars47: you have two soundcards on your system it seems, does cat /proc/asound/cards show multiple lines? And are you testing both cards / is perhaps the card listed first in the output working properly?
09:48<scraze>lcars47: on US layout, pipe symbol is 'above' \, so shift-\ = |
09:48<Holborn>lcars47: yes .. run cat /proc/asound/cards
09:48<lcars47>will check and see.
09:48<lcars47>ok, ty.
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09:53<scraze>lcars47: use "speaker-test" for a reliable way to test whether soundcards work, f.r. speaker-test -twav -c2
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09:54<lcars47>I got the readout but, cant seem to paste it and might have to reboot soon.
09:55<scraze>lcars47: if you could confirm that lspci's output has 2 lines with the ids [8086:266e] and [1102:0004], then that paste isn't necessary
09:55<lcars47>yes, there are two parts to the readout.
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09:56<lcars47>why might i have 2 soundcards?
09:56<scraze>I'd think your motherboard has an integrated soundcard .. you should be able to tell :P
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09:57<lcars47>ty. i will reboot and be back in 5 minutes.
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10:13<sparky4> this PC has bad memory
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10:14<lcars47>am back
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10:15<lcars47>the readout was short:
10:15<melmothX>lcars47: which debian release are you using?
10:15<lcars47>covert@COVERT:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
10:15<lcars47> 0 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6
10:15<lcars47> Intel ICH6 with AD1980 at 0xdffffa00, irq 50
10:15<lcars47> 1 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 [SB0350b]
10:15<lcars47> Audigy 2 [SB0350b] (rev.4, serial:0x20061102) at 0xc8c0, irq 233
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10:15<scraze>lcars47: you still need to use for pastes :]
10:16<lcars47>it was a very short readout.
10:16<melmothX>lcars47: i don't believe etch is supported
10:16<lcars47>that's a major part of why i am haveing difficulties.
10:16<melmothX>it's 2 releases behind
10:16<melmothX>which kernel are you using?
10:16<scraze>lcars47: the output shows that the 'integrated' card (the "Intel ICH6") is the default card (index 0), while your Audigy2 is not the default card (index 1); this means that by default sounds will be played over the Intel ICH6
10:16<lcars47>lenny and squeeze are severly defective.
10:17<melmothX>so are we all dumb, using stable?
10:17<scraze>I guess he means; if it is defective, then why are we all using it?
10:17<lcars47>i tried lenny and squeeze and had a lot of severe problems with both.
10:18<lcars47>etch is awesome :)
10:18<scraze>problems that are the cause of Debian should be translated into bugreports :]
10:18<melmothX>lcars47: which kernel are you using, btw?
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10:18<scraze>grammar-fudgeup: s/are the cause of/are caused by/
10:18<lcars47>i could not even bet to the bootloader.
10:18<lcars47>2.8.16, i think.
10:18<melmothX>uname -a will tell
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10:19<lcars47>ok, brb, ty
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10:20<lcars47>kernal: 2.6.18-6-686
10:21<melmothX>which is 4 years old, if i recall correctly. And how old is the soundcard?
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10:22<lcars47>not sure, the tower is dell dimention 8400
10:22<scraze>lcars47: did you get the part about default card? if you can locate the integrated card (I'd think those have actual jacks on your motherboard), check whether it is actually playing sound (or you can choose to ignore it and instead make it so that the audigy2 is the default card)
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10:23<lcars47>the system bell works fine.
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10:23<lcars47>but artsd doesn't connent to the card.
10:24<lcars47>i will have to get back to this later.
10:24<scraze>system bell can work in different ways, for that kernel the default is perhaps still pcspkr which uses a tiny speaker inside the desktop; it is _not_ a sign of a working setup
10:24<lcars47>i am closer to a solution though.
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10:24<melmothX>lcars47: put the jack in the other hole, as scraze said, and retry
10:24<lcars47>ok, ty.
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10:24<scraze>good luck!
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11:56<NoPinky>hello, I'm about to install debian on my old sony vaio with 1,6GHz centrino, 512MB RAM, what desktop would you recommend? Xfce seems to be the right choice?
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11:58<cthuluh>lxde is a bit lighter, but xfce should be fine
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11:59<NoPinky>what would be the trade of in comparison to KDE and GNOME?
12:00<NoPinky>I mean, I don't care for fancy effects and transparent windows and stuff
12:00<sney>somewhat less gui flexibility with regard to editing menus and things
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12:01<sney>all the gtk apps you're used to from gnome can still be used with the same level of integration though
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12:01<sney>well, with the exception of some that are actually _part_ of gnome.
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12:07<ubuntu>hi there
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12:08<STr3l0k>i have a question about ubuntu
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12:08<STr3l0k>hi debhelper
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12:09<blast007>!ubuntu STr3l0k
12:09<dpkg>STr3l0k: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
12:10<Mei_Ling>Hi, i'm running half life 1 with wine and for some reason debian blocks all my ports or something, because i can
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12:10<Mei_Ling>^because i can't refresh the server list
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12:11<STr3l0k>i just want to ask wether i can install it on a usb flash drive or not :(
12:11<blast007>STr3l0k: the above point still stands, though ;)
12:12<blast007>they'll know better
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12:12<STr3l0k>can i install debian on a usb flash drive?
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12:13<STr3l0k>and how come i have only 1024*768 while my screen is full hd 1980*1080?
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12:14<babilen>STr3l0k: While using Debian?
12:14<STr3l0k>plugged with vga
12:14<babilen>STr3l0k: No idea -- Please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "aptitude versions ~i~n^xserver" along with your sources.list to
12:15<Mei_Ling>could anyone tell me a command to run an application with all ports open ?
12:15<babilen>STr3l0k: Ah, throw in "lspci -nn"
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12:15<babilen>Mei_Ling: Debian does not block any ports by default -- This might be wine specific.
12:15<Mei_Ling>it's not
12:15<STr3l0k>what? what the hell is that? and why would i do it?
12:15<Mei_Ling>in ubuntu it works fine
12:15<Mei_Ling>it's debian
12:15<STr3l0k>hey this is my first time ever using debian i'm a windosws 7 user ^_^
12:15<babilen>STr3l0k: In order to provide me with enough information to troubleshoot your problem.
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12:16<STr3l0k>oh! sure
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12:17<Mei_Ling>ok ports are open for utorrent. why doesn't my half life public server list refresh in debian, and it does in ubuntu?
12:18<blast007>Mei_Ling: compare the wine versions. the one in Ubuntu might be newer.
12:18<Mei_Ling>fucking stupid debian stable
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12:18<Mei_Ling>with restricted versions
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12:18<sney>there's more to it than that
12:18<Mei_Ling>now i have to compile shit'
12:18<sney>even unstable still has wine that is old as pants
12:18<sney>no you don't
12:19<babilen>Mei_Ling: Relax please, stable releases are anything but.
12:19<Mei_Ling>i just want to play the damn game
12:19<Mei_Ling>again wasting time
12:19<Mei_Ling>i should just go back to ubuntu
12:19<sney>there's a slightly upgraded version on the third party repo at that is usually fine for not-so-modern games like half-life and wow
12:19<Mei_Ling>i had it running for 4 years without a reinstall
12:19<babilen>Mei_Ling: Do that, but please stop whining.
12:19<Mei_Ling>debian ruined everything
12:19<Mei_Ling>fuck you
12:19<sney>and if you google "carbon-project wine" you'll find packaged debs of the current version
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12:19<sney>or you can... yeah whine and cry and ragequit
12:20*sney shrug
12:20<tp43>I installed debian squeeze and kde, I like so much, but there is some serious bugs with sound system, channels go mute un-expectedly when I try to use google-talk, and when I dial a number, the master and pcm go full blast
12:20<kop>ragequit, I like it.
12:20<tp43>Maybe I should try gnome and see if it happens there too
12:20<sney>tp43: iirc, kde brings pulseaudio in as a recommend
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12:21<tp43>sney, well, when I boot, I get an error about oos sound systeem
12:22<sney>you should try to find that error message
12:22<tp43>sney, so if I install pulse audio, it should be good eh
12:22<sney>I have no idea. maybe? maybe it would make things worse. your problem description is too vague
12:22<raschipi>that one about per-user sessions?
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12:23<tp43>sney let me ask you, when I installed xfce first, I couldn't get a decent mixer, well alsa mixer was fine, but I couldn't get my google-talk to work, but then with kde it works, so do you know by chance which packages kde installed so that i could just use xfce and install those files?
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12:24<tp43>sney, Actually, nevermind, I am just gonna boot into xfce and try it for a while
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12:24<sney>er, I don't, sorry, but gnome's default mixer should... argh
12:24<sney>I am typing way too slow today
12:24<scraze>rebootquit :p
12:25<scraze>meh.. people are too jumpy
12:25<ubuntu_>babilen can i pv you?
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12:26<Str3l0k>babilen can i pv you?
12:26<sney>just ask your question in the channel
12:26<sney>unless you're asking babilen on a date, in which case you can put it in #debian-offtopic
12:27<sney>Str3l0k: seriously though, just link the paste you made so we can all look at it
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12:28<kop>Str3l0k: Since you're new you might want to see the <overview> and <introduction> factoids. (type "/msg dpkg overview" in your irc program.) The referenced page can be helpful for new users. (Not that this has anything to do with your question, just something that might help out in general.)
12:29<dpkg>mio: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con
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12:30<Str3l0k>i have a 32 gb flash drive, and i want to install linux on it but after i mount it (ext4) mount point(/boot) device for loader boot installation (dev/sbd/flashdrive......etc) i have the following message : "NO ROOT FILE SYSTEM IS DEFINED PLEASE CORRECTE THIS FROM THE PARTITIONNING MENU"
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12:32<Str3l0k>sney babilen this is it, so what am i gonna do about it
12:32<Str3l0k>again, please
12:32<Str3l0k>i have a 32 gb flash drive, and i want to install linux on it but after i mount it (ext4) mount point(/boot) device for loader boot installation (dev/sbd/flashdrive......etc) i have the following message : "NO ROOT FILE SYSTEM IS DEFINED PLEASE CORRECTE THIS FROM THE PARTITIONNING MENU"
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12:34<Str3l0k>why are you guys suddenly that silent?
12:34<sney>your description there is a little scrambled
12:34<sney>I'm trying to figure out what you mean, but it sounds like you neglected to set something as the root / filesystem
12:35<sney> /boot is not where the OS goes
12:35<Str3l0k>then where?
12:35<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or, or "man hier".
12:35<sney>that'll give you the general overview of how linux (and most unix) filesystems are laid out
12:35<sney>but you want it to just be /
12:36<Str3l0k>hey really sney i don't wanna read any website page for the moment i just came back from work
12:36<sney>you set the flash device as /, and then the installer will populate all of the /boot and /bin and /etc and /home and /usr and /var etc
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12:37<Str3l0k>here is all i have, /boot /home /tmp /usr /var /srv /opt /usr/local (for mount point) so which one should i choose?
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12:38<Str3l0k>Emm i don't get it
12:38<eightyeight>what don't you get?
12:38<Str3l0k>how to set the flash drive
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12:39<babilen>Str3l0k: Choose where? When do you get this error? How did you install it? I have to confess that I don't quite understand what you've done and at which point you are now.
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12:39<Str3l0k>i choose it, then change, then set to ext 4, format the partition, mount point /, then install now
12:40<eightyeight>Str3l0k: what do you mean "set the flash drive"? are you trying to install a bootable debian gnu/linux operating system on the drive, and boot off it?
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12:40<babilen>(depending on what "it" refers to though)
12:40<Str3l0k>oh wait wait
12:40<Str3l0k>i have a different message now
12:40<Str3l0k>a moment please
12:40<babilen>Str3l0k: What gives you this message?
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12:41<Str3l0k>you have not selected any partition for use as swap space, enable swap space is recommended ... blabla bla
12:41<sney>how much ram do you have
12:41<Str3l0k>go back.... continue
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12:42<eightyeight>swap is optional, of course
12:42<Str3l0k>4 gb ddr3 1333khz something
12:42<eightyeight>depends on the role of the system you're installing
12:42<eightyeight>if i need swap, i generally don't go about 1GB, if i use it at all
12:42<sney>if you have 1GB or more of system RAM, and you don't want to use suspend to disk, then you do not need swap and can continue
12:42<eightyeight>which is rare
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12:43<Str3l0k>oh and there is something i didn't ask you about guys choose i set it: primary or logical? begining or end?
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12:43<sney>if it's the only partition on the flash drive then primary and it doesn't matter
12:44<Str3l0k>now i'm really being a pain in the ass but i have a new message
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12:45<sney>this is a support channel, so just ask
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12:46<Str3l0k>the installer needs to commit changes to partition table but cannot do so because partitions on the following mount point could not be unmounted
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12:46<Str3l0k>please close any application using this mount
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12:47<Str3l0k>would you like the installer to try to unmount these partitions again?
12:47<opalepatrick>Trying to work out a strategy. I recently installed 2.6.39 from squeeze-backports because I wanted to install wi-fi driver that was only available for this kernel version. However, we had to compile an nvidia driver (which has since been packaged and I have updated).
12:47<sney>Str3l0k: give it a shot, sometimes there's lag
12:47<Str3l0k>one last thing
12:47<opalepatrick>However, but I am getting more problems on the newer kernel and trying ot work out what to do.
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12:48<sney>opalepatrick: I had a lot of trouble with 2.6.39 as well
12:48<sney>unfortunately, in stable there are not many choices
12:48<opalepatrick>sney: it is true.
12:49<sney>are you required to be on stable for any reason?
12:49<opalepatrick>I liked the stable version a lot (no hassle compared to previous Mandriva) but thinking that I may have to change distro and dont really want to
12:50<raschipi>msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
12:50*sney hands raschipi a spare /
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12:50<opalepatrick>Not really sney, just that it was stable :-)
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12:51<sney>if it's a desktop system, and you're comfortable with apt etc (sounds like you are), and you are not emotionally attached to gnome 2, then using debian wheezy (testing) is often a good idea when dealing with newer hardware
12:52<opalepatrick>The only reason I installed the backports 2.6.39 was for the wi-fi dongle. Really Sney? I always think of Wheezy as right out there :-)
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12:53<sney>well, testing is a test platform that will gradually be built into the next stable release. so it is usually more stable than it was the last time you checked. there are exceptions to this of course, but it's mostly a downward slope in terms of unclosed bugs
12:53<sney>I use stable on systems I install for other people, but I use testing on system I install for myself.
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12:54<sney>opalepatrick: but let's back up. what problems are you having with 2.6.39?
12:55<opalepatrick>lol, nvidia driver I am sure
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12:56<opalepatrick>babilen helped me to build one initially. It has since been packaged and I installed that. However I get a lot of issues with everything freezing up and only a hard reboot gets me out of it.
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12:56<Mei_Ling>yes mother fucker
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12:56<Mei_Ling>upgrading wine worked
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12:56<opalepatrick>Saying that... I also get error messaged realted to USB ports when this happens as well
12:57<raschipi>thay sugest that in the wine wwwpage
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13:08<NoPinky>I can't get the CD drive from my old vaio working, it doesn't boot from usb, what can I do to get debian on this one? :(
13:08<catsmeow>ive got a question i cant search on internet cuz the explanation is too ambigious, anyway when i try to run .run file (nvidia drivers) nothing happens, ive allowed it to run as program
13:09<NoPinky>copy some autostart files on the harddisc would be possible for me, I can get it out and so on
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13:11<raschipi>can't you borry a usb dvd drive?
13:12<NoPinky>as I said, it doesn't boot from a usb stick, so I don't think it will boot from a usb-cd-drive
13:13<blast007>if it can PXE boot, that might be one way.
13:14<NoPinky>yeah, I was just thinking about this one
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13:14<NoPinky>I'll have a look in the bios
13:14<Sicelo>u can also always move the hdd somewhere else and install there. unlike windows
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13:15<admine>any rtmpdump expert here?
13:15<opalepatrick>I was thinking for a xmas project to re-configure everything so I can have more than one distro or version all using same /home maybe with LVM - is this still relevant?
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13:16<NoPinky>Sicelo: will there be zombie processes/files from the old system if I do this?
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13:17<opalepatrick>got any ideas sney re nvidia thing ^^ - if u are tied up I will catch you again.
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13:19<sney>opalepatrick: babilen would know best about his crazy nvidia backport, but without some kind of log or error message all I can do is guess
13:19<Sicelo>NoPinky: i meant, new full install, but using a different machine. then u bring hdd back to your vaio. i know this is not elegant solution, but it works :)
13:20<NoPinky>yes I understand, but I still don't know if there would be some misconfigurations and files refering to the hardware of the other system, once I move the HDD to a now system with new hardware
13:21<opalepatrick>you are right, sney. Anyway, I may trash everything and do a LVM thing that will allow me to run more than one distro/version with same /home type partition. Reading up on it now.
13:21<sney>NoPinky: as long as you leave things at their defaults, that won't be a problem
13:21<NoPinky>ok, I'll try this, if the networkinstall won't work
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13:23<babilen>sney: Its not a crazy one -- I just compiled nvidia-team's backport as it took some time for it to be uploaded to bdo -- Should have been identical to what we have in bdo right now.
13:24<opalepatrick>I think it was babilen. I got the same probs before and after.
13:25<babilen>opalepatrick: yeah, t'was I
13:26<opalepatrick>:-) Sorry I missed a comma - as in - I think it was, babilen.
13:26<waa10>hi guys
13:26<waa10>maybe you know and could you help me about C function dlsym huh?
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13:27<waa10>i wonder if i can use the same init functions names for all plugins when i wanna load them all in the same time
13:27<sney>waa10: this isn't a coding channel,
13:27<waa10>i know - but debian devel :D
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13:27<waa10>on #gcc everybody sleeps :D
13:27<babilen>waa10: Try ##c on ?!
13:28<daemonkeeper>gcc is neither a coding channel. Go to #cc on freenode.
13:28<sney>yeah it isn't a debian devel channel either, it's user support
13:28<daemonkeeper>err, what babilen says.
13:28<waa10>oh sorry :D
13:28<waa10>thanks :)
13:28<babilen>have fun
13:28<waa10>if it is debian
13:28<waa10>i'll ask something
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13:29<waa10>question about Gnome (if I use debian) is a good question to ask here?
13:30<waa10>cuz i didn't update gnome
13:30<babilen>waa10: You could just ask your question ;)
13:30<waa10>and about 2 weeks ago gnome begun freezing right after login
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13:31<waa10>i mean - X is thinking after I click MENU button first time
13:31<waa10>about 3 seconds is freezed
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13:33<sney>waa10: do you hear a lot of disk thrashing noises?
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13:33<waa10>everything is ok but first time not
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13:34<waa10>i had hav the same problem with firefox 7
13:34<waa10>ff7 have been freezing for few seconds about 4 seconds after startup
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13:34<waa10>but everything else is ok - openoffice, anjuta, etc
13:35<sney>it sounds like you're swapping a lot
13:35<sney>next time it happens, open a terminal and run 'free -m'
13:35<waa10>0 in swap
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13:35<waa10>it is right after compiter is booted
13:36<vaha>Hello. I have a quick question. I am trying to run a new build of Debian Wheezy nightly build (12/20/2011) but it only comes with the kernel 3.1.0-1 and it doesn't recognize the SATA controller since I am running some new hardware. The Fedora 16 kernel 3.1.0-7 finds this hardware and I was wondering if anyone can make a new build with the latest kernel or I can recompile my own version. Let me know if thats possible
13:36<waa10>memory about 120MB
13:36<waa10>i think it is becouse modem-manager
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13:36<sney>vaha: the -1 or -7 etc is distro specific, they are the same kernel but may have slightly different patches
13:36<sney>vaha: anyway, wheezy support is in #debian-next
13:36<waa10>i never seen this before 2 weeks ago
13:37<vaha>ok Ill connect to that one and ask thanks sney
13:37<waa10>i'll back in 10 min. i have to walk my dog ;)
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14:17<NoPinky>ok... I noticed, that I don't have any laptops with IDE connector at hand to install debian on the HDD that I want to put into the target system
14:18<NoPinky>but I have external (IDE to USB) adapters. What files and how to put them on this HDD to make the target system boot from it and then install debian? is there a tutorial?
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14:20<ompaul>so your question really is, how to install debian on a crazy ide to usb thing why not make it usb disk external and be done with it?
14:20<tzafrir_>NoPinky, just install on it and boot from it
14:20<ompaul>if your system can boot from usb it should rock
14:21<NoPinky>ok, I'll start over: the laptop I want to install debian on is a vaio laptop, en older model with centrino (probably from 2007), there is a cd-drive, but it isn't working
14:21<NoPinky>and this laptop won'T boot from usb either
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14:22<NoPinky>I wouldn't have this problem if it would
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14:22<ompaul>NoPinky: just install to the disk then lift the disk into the box
14:22<ompaul>if you have hardware that will support that
14:24<NoPinky>hmm, ok, I'll take an IDE to USB adapter, and plug this IDE drive into a newer laptop, then I install debian on this (new external) IDE drive. And after this I'll put it back to the old vaio
14:25<ompaul>note when you are doing it - make sure you have an ethernet cable attached to the machine AND get the firmware-nonfree onto the disk asap in case your laptop is going to have a bad day
14:28<NoPinky>ompaul: ok, I'll try, thanks
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14:30<Sicelo>it will work NoPinky. i did it twice already. & i'm still newbie :)
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14:32<NoPinky>can I use the netinstall cd with 190MB to do this?
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14:33<sney>as long as the system you are using for the install has a working net connection
14:33<NoPinky>or and when I can put the HDD back into it's laptop? can I do it before anything will be downloaded via ethernet?
14:34<sney>it would be best to install the base system at least before moving the disk back
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14:47<kop>sney: At what point do you run into initramfs problems when moving a drive from box to box? Is there an install option that helps avoid this? (I seem to recall something about customizing the install for the specific hardware at hand, but don't recall anything else.)
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14:50<johns>so, on sid for me pulseaudio has been refusing all connections (trying right now just to get pactl to work)
14:51<johns>I've verified that it's running as my user
14:51<johns>verbose output from the daemon doesn't show anything for the attempted connection
14:51<johns>strace on the client doesn't show anything that jumps out at me, except maybe that /var/run/pulse doesn't exist
14:52<johns>any ideas?
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15:03<Str3l0k>hi there
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15:05<Str3l0k>i've succesfully installed linux on my flash drive, but when it was about to finish i had the following error : COULDN'T INSTALL THE BOOT SECTOR CHOOSE ANOTHER PATH FOR IT, but nomatter what path i try i always have the same error, and my other choices are wether i install it manually otherwise i can't launch my linux or quit the install :(
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15:06<Str3l0k>anyone knows how to install it manually?
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15:38<kingsley>How would you catch remote hackers?
15:39<kingsley>Can you recommend a package or packages that are good at luring hackers, and then identifying them?
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15:44<NoPinky>debian installs gnome "without warning", I thought there would be a prompt where I can chose between the available desktop systems :(
15:45<jthomas>not a single package, but look into the idea of a Honeypot, NoPinky. Google for info about it. Basically you probably want to run a VirtualBox servre with insecure guest OS machines running. Chances are, tho, that the hackers will come from Russia or China or somewhere that your laws don't quite reach
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15:46<valdyn>kingsley: hackers are lured by sites of importance
15:46<valdyn>kingsley: not by packages
15:46<jthomas>NoPinky at the install disk bootup, there is an option for Graphical Install or Advanced Install otr Other Options; i think under the Other Otions there are choices for deifferent desktops
15:47<jthomas>not a single package, but look into the idea of a Honeypot, kingsley. Google for info about it. Basically you probably want to run a VirtualBox servre with insecure guest OS machines running. Chances are, tho, that the hackers will come from Russia or China or somewhere that your laws don't quite reach
15:47<NoPinky>jthomas, yeah, that would be probably it
15:47<NoPinky>I hope I can revome it , though
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15:49<jthomas>during the install it asks if you want a news server, ssh server, web servre, etc and one is a graphical desktop. Debian will pick the first alphabetical package that fulfills this requirement, which happens to be Gnome (unfortunately imho)
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15:50<jthomas>if you're not far into it, just start ovre
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15:55<saulo>people. I have a local Debian server running lenny and something changed my RAID devices from md0,md1 and md2 to md125 md126 and md127. I don't know what's the problem cause, and my system do not boot anymore.
15:56<valdyn>jthomas: that is nonsense, that "alphabetical"
15:56<saulo>I will change the raid configurations, but I want understood what could be. Somebody can help me to debug this?
15:56<NoPinky>jthomas, yes, I chose to start over :)
15:57<jthomas>valdyn is it? it is what i was told when i asked how i got a mailserver 'citadel' on my machine rather than exim, a few years ago
15:57<jthomas>and it's always seemed to hold true
15:58<valdyn>jthomas: the installer has specific tasks, that install specific packages, the alphabet has nothing to do with that
15:58<raschipi> gnome is the desktop of choice of debian because for a long time, it wasn't possible to ship the alternatives, that was solved, but we still stick to gnome
15:58<valdyn>jthomas: I cant imagine how you got the citadel mail server
15:58<jthomas>good to know. so how do i push to make KDE the default desktop? :D
15:58<valdyn>jthomas: make it popular
15:59<valdyn>jthomas: popcon is very important to debian
15:59<dpkg>i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at -- See the FAQ at . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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15:59<jthomas>yes i use that, but if Gnome is the default it will get more votes, by default
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15:59<valdyn>jthomas: sure
16:00<valdyn>jthomas: even if kde was more popular now, thats not enough for debian to change defaults, usually
16:00<jthomas>so i ask, how do we make it change?
16:00<valdyn>jthomas: especially not when theres nothing inherently wrong with the choice of gnome
16:01<valdyn>jthomas: you don't.
16:02<jthomas>oh well. good to learn about the alphabet thing
16:03<raschipi>gnome and debian have a long history together
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16:05<raschipi>jthomas: do you only use kde, ou develop for it?
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16:06<jthomas>just use it, every time i try to learn a programming language it gets over my head on page 2. so much assumed knowledge. i'll stick with networking :D and be happy to use KDE and its awesomeness and report some bugs
16:06<themill>jthomas: the "alphabetical" thing comes when a package depends on "mail-transport-agent" which is a purely virtual package. That's not the same as selecting "mail server" at the tasksel stage.
16:07<jthomas>i guess i thought the tasksel was picking a task, by whatever would fulfill the role, as a virtual package would.
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16:08<raschipi>i assumed tasksel was picking it to
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16:08<raschipi>it only pick one if you install both?
16:08<jthomas>both what?
16:09<raschipi>if you install both programs
16:09<raschipi>or both packages
16:09<jthomas>if you specify to install both KDE and GNOME, I think it would do so, in fact I am rather positive that it would
16:09<saulo>I'm unable to find raidtab file at debian in my rescue :/
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16:11<raschipi> if you install both kde ang gnome, gdm or kdm or xdm will pick one
16:11<jthomas>saulo can't find raidtab where? on your OS or on the rescue liveCD ? i have this file, nothing named 'raidtab' /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
16:11<jthomas>raschipi pick one to log into, yes, but they'll both be available
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16:12<saulo>jthomas: I'm running debian live cd to try rescue the raid. I have only mdadm.conf there
16:13<jthomas>that is where raid is set up. if you have it set up with a file named raidtab then i don't know what you are using
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16:14<saulo>jthomas: It's strange... I don't know why my grub do not boot anymore.... Then I'm thinking it's about this missing file....
16:15<jthomas>luckily you have a backup, right?
16:15<saulo>jthomas: my backup in this server is the raid.... :(
16:15<jthomas>aw man
16:16<jthomas>that isn't a backup :(
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16:16<jthomas>or, not a good one at least
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16:17<jsubl2>is it safe to use debian-multimedia repo to install handbrake-cli
16:17<jsubl2>new install and hesistant to install another repo
16:18<jthomas>i think so, jsubl2, but i am not an expert at all. but i use that repo a lot
16:18<jsubl2>k thanks
16:18<saulo>jthomas: I think the raid system stopped starting with the system... how can I put it there again from live cd?
16:19<jthomas>saulo you'd need to create the raid config file on the live session and then mount the raid array, so it looks like a single large drive like it would under normal circumstances. or if your /boot/ info is its own partition, you maybe just need to boot that to modify its settings to mount the raid
16:20<jthomas>but basically, to fix it in the real world, you have to get it working in the liveCD and then fix the files
16:21<raschipi>then, take you /boot/ out of the raid
16:21<raschipi>and do a backup somewere else
16:21<jthomas>yes yes yes
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16:23<jthomas>oh hello there
16:24<ompaul>,versions xchat
16:24<judd>Package: xchat on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-3; sid: 2.8.8-3.1+b1; wheezy: 2.8.8-3.1+b1
16:24<jthomas>saulo let me correct this, "you maybe just need to *mount* that to modify its settings to mount the raid"
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16:25<pllanos>i have a problem with twig and cake2
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16:31<saulo>jthomas, raschipi: I'm trying chroot target directory at live cd, but I'm receiving the error "can't execute '/bin/sh': Exec format error". If I run /target/bin/sh I receive the error "...line 6: syntac error: unexpected ")"". What is this?
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16:32<raschipi>jthomas: i was remembering somethig that could change the default DE from gnome to kde on debian
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16:33<raschipi>tthe live CD problably runs busybox, not sh
16:34<raschipi>busybox is a shell that have the essencial tools inside it
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16:35<raschipi> /msg dpkg pastebin
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16:36<raschipi>woul you paste what are tring to execute here or in
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16:38<raschipi>the live cd has sh, the rescue mode of the install cd has not
16:38<saulo>jthomas, raschipi: Ah it's this!! My mounted partition points to busybox! And how can I chroot the directory with busybox running?
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16:39<raschipi>don't now, never had that need
16:40<raschipi>are you usig a live cd or the rescue mode of the install cd?
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16:41<saulo>jthomas, raschipi: I'm trying chroot target directory at live cd, but I'm receiving the error "can't execute '/bin/sh': Exec format error". If I run /target/bin/sh I receive the error "...line 6: syntac error: unexpected ")"". What is this?
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16:42<saulo>raschipi: I've downloaded the squeeze cd to try recover using the rescue option... :(
16:43<saulo>raschipi: I'm thinking try reinstall grub from there if the raid runs ok.
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16:43<saulo>raschipi: sorry for last message, inadvertently pressed enter key
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16:52<saulo>raschipi: solved!!! I'm was running 32 bit CD in a 64 bit system!!! Running 64 bit cd it works! :D
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16:54<jthomas>yay saulo!
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16:55<saulo>raschipi, jthomas: simple solution lol xD. Thanks for help. Now I saw my kernel is changing my md devices at boot to md12x, not md0... goind find why
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17:06<London>how are you?
17:06<jthomas>just marvelous
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17:06<babilen>London: I am fine, but note that this is not a social chat channel. You want #moocows, #debian-offtopic or (probably more appropriate) a completely different network.
17:07<Grifillodeagua>is a social chat channel
17:07<babilen>Grifillodeagua: Do you have a Debian related question?
17:07<Grifillodeagua>dear babilen
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17:07<London>who is you babilen?
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17:08<Grifillodeagua>babilen who are you?
17:08<babilen>London, Grifillodeagua: Take it elsewhere. This is not a chat channel.
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17:08<London>bye babilen
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17:08<London>hello marcell
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17:08<Grifillodeagua>so, this channel who is?
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17:11<NoPinky>I installed debian on a external drive while there was an internal drive in the laptop, so I had no option to write the bootloader on the external drive's partitions. I didn't want to write on the internal drive'S partitions as debian isn't intended for this laptop
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17:11<NoPinky>so now there is no bootloader, what is the best way to get a bootloader without reinstalling?
17:12<babilen>NoPinky: "grub-install /dev/whatever"
17:12<jthomas>boot into a livecd, chroot into the system, and install it with 'grub-install'
17:12<babilen>!tell NoPinky -about fixmbr
17:13<NoPinky>ok, on the netinstall-CD is a recovery/rescue mode, there should be a shell where I can do this, I hope :)
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17:24<chip192>hello i am getting a error with synaptic witch is i am trying to install a new program and it keeps saying fix broken prepackage first
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17:25<babilen>chip192: Please paste your sources.list and the output of "aptitude search ~b" to
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17:27<chip192>ok i have put debian sild and debian wezey to i am using debian squeeze
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17:29<babilen>chip192: It is a very bad idea to mix stable with testing/unstable. Don't do that! Have you installed *any* packages from wheezy or sid already? Why did you add those repositories?
17:30<themill>Apparently it's a fun holiday activity to make mixed systems and see how badly you can break things.
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17:30<babilen>.oO( Lets throw in Ubuntu and Mint packages for the ultimate brokenness! )
17:31<chip192>stop moking me plz
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17:32<babilen>chip192: Well, you have three options: 1. Despair and never touch your computer again 2. Reinstall stable, use it and never mix it with testing/unstable again 3. Completely upgrade to wheezy/sid (depending on if you installed packages from sid already)
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17:32<chip192>ok how would i up grade
17:33<babilen>dpkg: tell chip192 -about squeeze->wheezy
17:34<babilen>chip192: The most sensible approach would probably a reinstall though.
17:34<chip192>i must say the system has bean working fine up to this point
17:35<chip192>and it only with some packages
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17:39<chip192>babilen: would i be right to say that apt can let you trace back every package
17:39<babilen>chip192: What do you mean by "trace back" ?
17:40<chip192>well it shows what repo you got it from
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17:41<chip192>babilen: well it shows what repo you got it from
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17:42<babilen>!list repositories
17:42<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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17:46<chip192>ok from the perl script you gave me it looks like most of the packages are from wheezy and squeeze
17:47<chip192>so that is good right
17:47<babilen>chip192: So, set the default release to wheezy, upgrade completely and hope that you'll manage.
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17:48<chip192>ok that a lot guys
17:48<babilen>!tell chip192 -about default release
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17:53<eloy_>hi, I'm a problem with Pacemaker/corosync configuration, can you help me?
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18:26<NoPinky>ok, debian was successfully installed on a host laptop and is now put into a new laptop. how can I make debian look for new hardware and get the suitable drivers?
18:27<sney>most hardware is supported out of the box by the default kernel
18:27<sney>that's why moving the hard drive works. all the drivers are included, it just detects and loads the appropriate ones on boot
18:27<NoPinky>ok, but wifi seems to be not working
18:28<lindi->NoPinky: what's the exact model of your laptop?
18:28<sney>you probably just need firmware for the wifi
18:28<sney>if you pastebin the result of 'lspci -nn |grep -i net' then we can tell you which firmware package you need
18:29<NoPinky>yes dir, will do :D
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18:31<NoPinky>lindi: it's a vaio vgn-fs115n
18:32<NoPinky>sney, i think there is something wrong with this command string
18:32<sney>don't paste the quotes
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18:32<NoPinky>sney, it says: grep --help <<give you more information
18:32<sney>what are you typing exactly
18:32<NoPinky>(no ofcourse not quotes... I'm not that... dumb)
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18:33<NoPinky>I typed exactly what you typed
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18:33<sney>that's grep -i, lower case I, not 1 or l or anything
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18:34<NoPinky>sorry... My fault, I'm dumb :D, typo
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18:34<NoPinky>it is intel coporation pro/wireless 2200bg
18:35<sney>please tell us the part that's like [8086:xxxx]
18:36<NoPinky>it's 80864220
18:36<sney>,pciid 8086:4220
18:36<judd>[8086:4220] is 'PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'ipw2200' in squeeze. See also
18:36<dpkg>ipw2200 is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) devices, included in mainline since Linux version 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. #ipw2100 on
18:37<NoPinky>ok, I'll follow the instructions on the wiki page
18:37<sney>that has all the information you need
18:37<NoPinky>I'll be back if something doen't work, thanks for the help
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18:50<NoPinky>I tried to add the non-free stuff into sources.list but couldn't save
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18:50<daemonkeeper>You need to be root to edit that file.
18:50<NoPinky>because I don't have permission, should I opened it with sudo nano?
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18:56<babilen>NoPinky: yes (if sudo is installed and configured for your user (/msg dpkg sudoers (easiest: "adduser YOURUSER sudo")))
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18:57<NoPinky>no it isn't
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18:57<daemonkeeper>You can also just use "su" to become root.
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18:57<NoPinky>now i'm looking how to login as root, the normal login screen wouldn't allow me :D
18:57<babilen>NoPinky: Then use "su" to become root (give you root password)
18:57<NoPinky>ah.. ok, su it is then...
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19:13<accountuser>I have started using Linux relatively recently.
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19:14<accountuser>When I went to power down my computer, I saw a dialog box that stated only a super user can shut down while another user is logged in, or something like that.
19:14<accountuser>When I used last, there didn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary
19:16<accountuser>there was a root login shown, which was probably from sudo, and some instances of my ordinary user account
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19:18<lindi->accountuser: are you the only user?
19:18<lindi->accountuser: gnome and nothing special?
19:19<accountuser>yup, as far as I know
19:19<retrospectacus>the root login will cause that message
19:19<lindi->root login?
19:19<retrospectacus>16:16 < accountuser> there was a root login shown, which was probably from sudo
19:20<lindi->yes possibly
19:20<accountuser>Well, I have tried to recreate that, but I did not receive that same dialog when powering down
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19:21<accountuser>I clicked cancel for the dialog box
19:21<retrospectacus>accountuser: well, I dunno, it'll do that. Are you asking how to disable it or?
19:21<accountuser>then the computer powered down
19:21<accountuser>I was wondering if there were any logs that I should check
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19:22<accountuser>I haven't continued to see that dialog box
19:22<retrospectacus>/var/log/auth.log perhaps
19:22<accountuser>I am hoping that my computer wasn't breached
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19:23<retrospectacus>auth.log would (should) tell you that
19:23<accountuser>I did view that, but I am not that experienced
19:23<accountuser>I will review that
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19:27<accountuser>were you thinking that some hung process as a result or running something as root through sudo may have caused that dialog?
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19:27<retrospectacus>running something through sudo, or having a root terminal active (su)
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19:28<retrospectacus>or sudo/su tools like gksu or sux
19:28<accountuser>that's what I did, I had a terminal running
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19:29<accountuser>that seems really strange that I haven't been able to recreate the dialog though
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19:32<retrospectacus>try "sudo less /etc/fstab" or something and try it while that's running
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19:38<accountuser>Well, that didn't recreate the problem
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19:39<accountuser>I also had a gui program running from another root terminal that may have been running when I saw that dialog box
19:39<accountuser>Well, I will try to see what I can figure out
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19:40<accountuser>Well, I'll try to recreate that through some different scenarios
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19:44<NoPinky>how do I install .deb files that I downloaded from websites?
19:45<lindi->NoPinky: in general that is a bad idea, what website?
19:45<eightyeight>NoPinky: with dpkg(1)
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19:46<NoPinky>can Synaptic handle it too?
19:46<accountuser>Well, I appreciate being assisted with those ideas.
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19:47<eightyeight>NoPinky: yes
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20:08<NoPinky>I noticed that ice weasel browser uses some other hotkeys, is that ice weasel specific or is it because of xfce?
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20:26<sparky4>hmmm wheezy works on the hardware
20:27<sparky4>should i upgrade squeeze to wheezy?
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20:29<cthuluh>sparky4: if you're running wheezy, I don't see the point
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20:38<sparky4>cthuluh: i am runnign squeeze on a server
20:38<sparky4>i am doing a compleate hardware change
20:38<sparky4>swapping hard drives from one system to another and declaring that system the new server
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20:39<sparky4>but squeeze WILL NOT BOOT ON THE NEW SERVER'S HARDWARE (and it's driving me nutz)
20:39<sparky4>I installed wheezy on a spare HDD I have and it works on the new server hardware....
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20:46<sney>sparky4: did you try squeeze with a newer kernel? often that's all you need for new hardware
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20:49<NoPinky>how do I get Synaptic to update my packages or specific packages?
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20:50<NoPinky>this feature must be somewhere very obvious :(
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20:55<sparky4>sney: no not yet
20:55<sparky4>sney: how do i upgrade the kernel?
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21:58<aussa>hi, I don't find available okular-extra-backends in aptitude, why is that?
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21:59<aussa>I'm using wheezy
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22:00<dvs>!topicsmite aussa
22:00<dpkg>And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon aussa. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
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22:13<jardiamj>dardevelin, I didn't have laptop-mode-tools installed... I installed that and my laptop is running very quiet now and it almost doubled the time my laptop runs on battery
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22:17<jsubl2>jardiamj: thanks for the tip. installing them now
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22:41<jardiamj>jsubl2, you are welcome. Let me know how it goes for you..
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23:52<aussa>I can't find anything through aptitude, I'm using wheezy, what did I do? how do I solve this...?
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23:54<boba>aussa: Questions regarding wheezy/sid should go in #debian-next, as the /topic indicates.
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