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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-23

---Logopened Fri Dec 23 00:00:12 2011
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00:00<monsta|2truck>my arrows dont work either
00:00<kop>phorce1: So long as you can do macros, you're doing pretty well with the editor.
00:00<monsta|2truck>so i think its that thing i had to install or bind
00:00<monsta|2truck>that one time
00:00<monsta|2truck>on solaris
00:01<monsta|2truck>debian is kinda primitive in that way too
00:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 450] by debhelper
00:01<kop>monsta|2truck: Arrow keys suck. You have to move your hand. You need to be able to move the point/cursor using just the regular keys.
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00:01<phorce1>^K-B start copy/paste block --- ^K-K end block and highlight contents ---- ^K-C copy block somewhere else ---- ^K-V move block somewhere else ---- so easy, no problem
00:01<monsta|2truck>omg
00:01<kop>monsta|2truck: You've probably just got the emacs keybindings.
00:01<monsta|2truck>plz dont go there
00:01<monsta|2truck>i need my friken arrows
00:01<monsta|2truck>before i start killing ppl
00:01<monsta|2truck>i swear
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00:03<kop>phorce1: Word processors kind of suck. I can't use them any more. I think I could get used to lyx though.
00:03<kop>phorce1: That is, can't use them for anything serious.
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00:04<monsta|2truck>u guys r gona gime a hertatack
00:04<phorce1>kop: 99.9% of what I do is flat text file editing. I still write html in a text editor. No need for all the extra bloat
00:04<kop>phorce1: Me too. But then I use emacs, which has bloat built-in. :)
00:04<monsta|2truck>u guys need to be creative
00:04<monsta|2truck>u cant be creative in vim im sorry
00:05<monsta|2truck>if ur playing with any type of code u need geany
00:05<kop>monsta|2truck: You're using the wrong editor then.
00:05<monsta|2truck>no dood
00:05<monsta|2truck>all i see from ppl that use vim and screen is squares and circles
00:05<kop>monsta|2truck: geany?
00:05<monsta|2truck>and their code is the same
00:05<monsta|2truck>its procedural
00:05<monsta|2truck>and sux
00:06<kop>monsta|2truck: Clearly you've not used haskell mode.
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00:06<monsta|2truck>ill look into that
00:06<monsta|2truck>so no
00:06<kop>monsta|2truck: Haskell mode is used for writing haskell. Before you go there you might want to learn scheme from the wizard book.
00:06<monsta|2truck>but u have to agree that kind of stuff takes ur creativity
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00:07<monsta|2truck>if one had any to begin with
00:07<kop>monsta|2truck: ?
00:07<monsta|2truck>guis are there for a reason
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00:07*phorce1 is headed outside for a nicotine refill and to throw the ball for the dog a while before she knocks me out of my chair
00:08<kop>monsta|2truck: GUIs are there so you can run gimp and blender.
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00:08<monsta|2truck>thats not true
00:08<monsta|2truck>i dont want to argue about it
00:09<monsta|2truck>i use command line too, but only when there is a need for it
00:09<kop>monsta|2truck: Ok the, guis are there so you can put a minimal number of choices in the user's face.
00:09<monsta|2truck>those r called wizards
00:09<monsta|2truck>i really dont want to get into this lol
00:09<monsta|2truck>stop hahaha
00:09<kop>monsta|2truck: Yes, we are offtopic.
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00:16<cyj520>^^
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00:16<cyj520>第一次使用勒........
00:17-!-Emmanuel_Chanel [star2@ZQ128170.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #debian
00:17<cyj520>大 家好...
00:17<cyj520>...
00:17<ayaka>cyj520, hello
00:17<ayaka>!zh
00:17<dpkg>somebody said zh was 如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作! If you want to get helped in Chinese, please move to #debian-zh at irc.oftc.net. To join, type "/server irc.oftc.net" and "/join #debian-zh" (without quote). Thank you!
00:18<cyj520>你好勒..
00:18<ayaka>cyj520, 不要说中文
00:18<ayaka>don't speak chinese
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00:19<ayaka>cyj520, 有什么事情,请移步到#debian-zh
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00:29<cyj520_>什麼都不懂的人 來了---大 家好
00:30<cyj520_>不會用XCHAT
00:30<cyj520_>第一 次用勒....
00:30<cyj520_>這還有分中英文...
00:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 456] by debhelper
00:31<raschipi>any other language not english is not OK here
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00:32<cyj520_>為什 麼要這樣分勒....
00:34<raschipi>any other language than english is not OK here
00:34<ayaka>!zh
00:34<ayaka>!zh
00:34<dpkg>zh is, like, 如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作! If you want to get helped in Chinese, please move to #debian-zh at irc.oftc.net. To join, type "/server irc.oftc.net" and "/join #debian-zh" (without quote). Thank you!
00:34<ayaka>cyj520_, 我是中国人
00:34<ayaka>cyj520_, folloe me guide
00:35<ayaka>cyj520_, 加入#debian-zh
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00:36<cyj520_>可憐的人 不懂~~~要從那裡加入勒...
00:36<ayaka>cyj520_, 输入 "/join #debian-zh
00:36<ayaka>!zh
00:36<dpkg>well, zh is 如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作! If you want to get helped in Chinese, please move to #debian-zh at irc.oftc.net. To join, type "/server irc.oftc.net" and "/join #debian-zh" (without quote). Thank you!
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00:39<phorce1>repeating the factoid isn't going to make them understand it any better than the first time
00:41<ayaka>phorce1, no,it works,it can finally support chinese
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00:42<ayaka>phorce1, but I should change it factoid,I forget how to
00:42<sney>ayaka: don't mess with it, you might damage the encoding
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00:43<phorce1>but you kept repeating it. Same factoid over and over. And here on this cygwin box it's just 8 lines of \6483\6238\892\87871 \8383\8382\9918
00:44<ayaka>sney, so it don't support unicode?
00:44<sney>phorce1: don't sweat the language barrier where ayaka is concerned. just be glad it seems to be over.
00:45<sney>ayaka: I have no idea. but I doubt there has been a big change. it is probably done manually by the bot owner.
00:45<phorce1>ayaka: it was probably hand encoded by someone
00:45<phorce1>(what sney said)
00:46<ayaka>sney, thank you for your concerned,I thought he said 6483\6238\892\87871 \8383\8382\9918 means some chinese word?
00:47<phorce1>ayaka: it was just an "idea" of what I see on my screen when unicode is typed. The computer I am using does not support unicode
00:48<sney>ayaka: it is not important
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00:48<ayaka>sney, in fact, I don't full know what you said about "don't sweat the language barrier where ayaka is concerned. just be glad it seems to be over."
00:49<sney>ayaka: I spoke to phorce1, it is not important
00:49<ayaka>sney, I see
00:50<ayaka>phorce1, sney I have to go to take must fail math test,do you know who is in charge of dpkg?I will mail him.thank you
00:50<phorce1>OK, copy of Squeeze mirror is done so I'll be out for a while upgrading my Lenny work desktop machine
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00:54<calmwinds>a
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01:02<phorce1>aptitude "downloading" packages at 3400+kB/s
01:04<sney>I used to get about that from my local university mirror before the local isp went pants. I think you're talking lan speed though
01:05<phorce1>sney: that's why the quotes. I keep a mirror on the local GigE LAN
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01:06<phorce1>fetched 930MB in 4min38s
01:07<phorce1>q
01:07<phorce1>oops, wrong keyboard
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01:12<phorce1>now THAT was a heck of a listchanges file to read through
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02:02<carlos>test
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02:13<phorce1>test-reply
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03:24<ayaka>I have set jack1 start auto(by set env) but it doesn't work recently,what's up?
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03:28<benjr>how do i install a newer version of a program that whats available on stable?
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03:29<ayaka>benjr, if you have installed it, just update,#aptitude safe-upgrape
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04:19<benjr>aptitude safe-upgrade didnt solve the issue, i still have a version of an application lower then what i require
04:20<myriamm>q?????
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04:27<jww_>Hello everybody.
04:27<jww_>does anyone know how to use a cleaning cartrige with a streamer ?
04:27<jww_>is there some linux tool I need to run ?
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04:32<benjr>i know what version i have installed, i know what version i need, i see its available in wheezy and sid, i tried ayaka's solution of using "aptitude safe-upgrade" that didnt get me to the version i want, what else can i try?
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04:43<jww_>heh it auto use after I putted it in the tape.
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04:47<sara>holaaa guarrillos
04:48<Ganneff>!es
04:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:48<sara>hello
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05:13<valdyn>benjr: backport it
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05:14<Xdept>Hey, Having some trouble with getting colour on bash. I have edited my /etc/bash.bashrc
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05:14<Xdept>Also edited the ~/.bashrc file, Still nothing
05:15<valdyn>Xdept: great, but that doesnt tell us *what* you did
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05:15<cthuluh>you'd better read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/037
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05:16<Xdept>Pretty much uncommented the entire ~/.bashrc, So all the ls --color autos and thinngs were uncommented
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05:18<Xdept>I just have a simple PS1 Line that I want to add, with a bold red colour
05:18<benjr>bash can have colour? i want
05:19<Xdept>benjr, Yeah, It is supposed to. But I can't get it working on Debian
05:20<cthuluh>PS1="$(tput setaf 1; tput bold)\\\$$(tput sgr0) "
05:20<Xdept>but cthuluh, I just put tput setaf 1 into bash and it still doesn't change
05:20<Xdept>Wait
05:21<cthuluh>then your TERM value is inappropriate
05:21<Xdept>I'm on ssh, tput setaf 1 works on local
05:23<Xdept>Thanks cthuluh, However it doesn't work on SSH
05:23<Xdept>Any ideas?
05:24<cthuluh>export TERM=xterm; tput setaf 1
05:25<Xdept>I put that in ~/.bashrc and it doesn't do anything
05:25<cthuluh>the stock openssh client and server in debian do allow exporting TERM, so there's probably something fscked up in your setup
05:25<cthuluh>type it ; at the command line
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05:25<Xdept>Nope :/
05:25<Xdept>-- Doesn't work
05:26<cthuluh>export TERM=xterm; tput setaf 1; echo $?
05:26<cthuluh>also, tput colors
05:26<Xdept>Got 0 for the first one and 8 for tput colors
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05:31<Xdept>cthuluh, Any ideas?
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05:34<aaron>hello there i have a question how can i fix the wheezy grub bug?
05:34<aaron>i cannot boot grub i only can boot it with ubuntu
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05:36<retro|blah>aaron: #debian-next
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05:51<engine64>hi all, what do you called that feature or technology that diasallow or limits clients or user of a switch or AP to not reach other? I know this is common on commercial public hotspots. thanks in advance.
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05:53<daemonkeeper>A firewall.
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05:54<engine64>daemonkeeper: not a firewall
05:54<hub>daemonkeeper, and where should he place it?
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05:54<yopyop>There is it in my switches, but can't remember the name. in openvpn this is called client-to-client
05:54<daemonkeeper>hub: On the router obviously. Most consumer grade access points just bridge their clients. There is no need to do so.
05:54<engine64>these clients are already authenticated to the switch or Access point but we will disallow them to reach to each other
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05:55<daemonkeeper>Anyway: This is off-topic here, ask in ##networking on Freenode.
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05:56<hub>engine64, the only thing which comes to my mind is to assign clients a tiny netwoks, say 2 host addresses.
05:56<hub>Only the client and a router alias addres...
05:57<daemonkeeper>Or you just don't forward packets on the AP.
05:57<daemonkeeper>With ah ... ehrm firewall
05:57<hub>daemonkeeper, if the AP is just a layer 2 bridge what firewall are we talking about?
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05:58<daemonkeeper>If the AP is a consumer grade layer 2 bridge you shouldn't expect enterprise features.
05:59<hub>"No money - no honey" :)
05:59<daemonkeeper>(we're still off-topic)
06:01<engine64>this feature is common on most hotspots
06:01<engine64>aside from what linksys called it "client or AP isolation", what is the industry name?
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07:06<PoNuts>I got my self a source.list problem
07:07<PoNuts>i use sarge and my apt-get update doesnt work
07:07<PoNuts>I belive that the distro has been old and the source.list should be corrected to somethingelse.. but i dont know to what.
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07:08<PoNuts>This srver has been walking on earth for 643 days.. (uptime)
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07:09<XayOn>Erm, PoNuts Sarge is without security updates since 2008.
07:10<metaspike>first sarge was the stable distrobution, then etch, and now squeeze
07:11<XayOn>You may need to upgrade to etch first, if you can, then to squeeze.
07:11<metaspike>so if you change part that says "sarge" in sources.list to squeeze it should update
07:11<grove>PoNuts: As sarge is old-old-old-stable (etch, lenny and squeeze since) the fastest is to reinstall
07:11<bremner>metaspike: what about poor lenny?
07:11<XayOn>I agree with grove.
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07:11<metaspike>oh yeah. :p lenny
07:12<XayOn>Oh, yeah, lenny, I forgot about it too =D. But hell, it's like, woah. And two years... Running without a dist-upgrade!
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07:12<XeonBloomfield>Hello
07:12<jmux>PoNuts: Sarge is archived on http://archive.debian.org/
07:13<XeonBloomfield>Which filesystem use for pendrive - ext2 or ext4?
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07:14<XeonBloomfield>Which filesystem for pendrive is better - ext2 or ext4?
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07:15<charlvn>i use ext4 on mine
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07:15<charlvn>what are you looking to use it for?
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07:18<metaspike>PoNuts you could change "etch" to "squeeze" then "su && aptitude full-upgrade" or safe-upgrade if that looks like it's going to remove important things.
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07:19<XeonBloomfield>charlvn: ext2 doesn't have journaling
07:19<nacional1>heelloo
07:19<nacional1>putas
07:19<nacional1>guarras
07:19<nacional1>hablar
07:20<Ganneff>!es
07:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:20<XeonBloomfield>charlvn: but ext4 is more modern
07:20<nacional1>hello
07:20<nacional1>foquin
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07:21<XeonBloomfield>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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07:35<PoNuts>That give me some options ;)
07:36<themill>PoNuts: don't skip releases when upgrading though
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07:47<PoNuts>so now to figure out how to upgrade from one to another
07:48<themill>read the release notes for each release
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07:57<PoNuts>funny thing is that the problem in the first place was to back debian up with our enterprice software, and now in the realease note it say be sure to back everything up ;) a bit of humor
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08:21<fredl>hi. Anybody here use haproxy on squeeze with a high volume site?
08:21<koollman>fredl: is there a real question hiding behind this one ?
08:21<fredl>this is a real question, yes.
08:21<fredl>and it's not hiding.
08:22<fredl>is there one hiding behind yours?
08:22<koollman>yes! what happens if I say 'yes' ? or what is 'high volume', too.
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08:23<fredl>if you say 'yes', I will know there may be at the very least somebody who will understand my questions so I won' t waste time asking them as it is rather elaborate.
08:23<fredl>high volume = about 2 million unique visitors/day
08:23<koollman>right. so, there *is* a real question hiding behind :)
08:24<fredl>not hiding, it is in plain sight, you just chose not to see it :P
08:24<koollman>you should start with that one. in the end, it's less time wasted for everyone
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09:26<stevendh>hello debian, is there a gnustep and/or objc guru around?
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09:27<stevendh>i'm experiencing frequent crashes with oolite, seems to be related to the build as indicated in .xsessionerrors
09:27<MrFrood>stevendh: the debian package or upstream?
09:27<stevendh>debian package, in testing
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09:28<MrFrood>I tend to use upstream and have had no issues
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09:29<stevendh>shall i pastebin the error message?
09:29<MrFrood>it could not hurt
09:30<stevendh>here 't is: http://pastebin.com/jiAknkkm
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09:31<stevendh>it happens with certain oxps: eg. galnavy, immediately after a wichspace jump (almost always)
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09:33<stevendh>MrFrood: you compile the sources on a debian box, i presume?
09:34<MrFrood>yes
09:34<stevendh>do you use oxps?
09:35<MrFrood>yes
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09:35*MrFrood <3 oolite
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09:36<stevendh>i can see why...
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09:37<stevendh>can you easily install debian testing's oolite and try it with the galactic navy?
09:37<MrFrood>stevendh: I have to pop out for a while noe, but I hope you sort this out
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09:38<stevendh>i might try unstable's version, if it still occurs i'd file a bug report
09:38<stevendh>thanks for your reaction
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10:32<bino>Merry Cristmas for all !!!
10:33<kishige>somebody said something!! you too!
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12:08<pichadorada>olaaa al mundo ciberneticooo
12:08<pichadorada>ai alguien en la red?
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12:10<beckam>olaa
12:10<kishige>hola
12:10<beckam>grigori
12:10<beckam>q pasa gente
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12:11<beckam>quieero follaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!!!
12:12<beckam>alguien kiere foking?
12:12<daemonkeeper>Please stay on topic.
12:12<daemonkeeper>And talk English.
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12:13<beckam>i spanish
12:13<@Ganneff>!es
12:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:13<kishige>first talk in 36 minutes, btw
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12:14<beckam>yo ago lo q me ssalga del naboo
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13:21<Kiraka>Hello
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13:44<ceipha>Hi! This seems to affect many people on the internet, but I don't find any advice on the matter. Aptitude seems to fail downloading changelog for any package.
13:44<ceipha>Works like this:
13:44<ceipha>aptitude changelog xserver-xorg
13:44<ceipha>Err Changelog of xserver-xorg
13:44<ceipha>E: Changelog download failed: 404 Not Found [IP: 87.106.64.223 80]
13:44<ceipha>E: Couldn't find a changelog for xserver-xorg
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13:49<sicelo>hi everyone. i'm on debian squeeze and have the video chip shown below.
13:49<sicelo>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
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13:49<ceipha_>aptitude changelog -- download fails for all packages: http://pastebin.com/nDgJGfrY . The server 194.177.211.202 seems to be up.
13:50<ceipha_>What can be the reason?
13:51<sicelo>my problem is that the display hangs, only to be 'fixed' with a reboot. i don't do any graphics intensive stuff. here's dmesg output for the error
13:52<Kiraka>cant play mp3's needs some stupid plugin help
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13:52<sicelo>[ 317.724046] [drm:i915_do_wait_request] *ERROR* i915_do_wait_request returns -5 (awaiting 1842 at 1841)
13:52<sicelo>[ 989.912030] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung
13:53<sicelo>on internet, i see some say they 'solved' the issue with using wheezy packages.. i wonder how safe that is
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13:55<sicelo>Kiraka: what application are u using for that?
13:55<Kiraka>Parole
13:56<Kiraka>Xubuntu which I have never used
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13:56<sicelo>!xubuntu
13:56<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.xubuntu.org/ See also <based on debian>.
13:58<ceipha_>Kiraka, I think it would help to install the package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad or gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
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14:00<Kiraka>Thanx
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14:02<ceipha_>I see there's no changelogs for some packages on http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/ Does anyone know what the problem is?
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14:03<Kiraka>it says "command not found" or am i writing bad codes at the wrong place, using terminal
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14:04<kishige>does xubuntu even use apt?
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14:07<sney>kishige: yes, ubuntu/debian derivatives all use apt
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14:08<kishige>I should have remembered that, since I think I used it on Ubuntu.
14:10<priv1>Are you using Debian for desktop or just for servers?
14:10*daemonkeeper looks at the channel topic and decides ought to be right.
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14:14<kishige>I just load all linux distro channels for knowledge. Not using Debian right now.
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14:44<xythrinn>is lmde speak alright 'ere?
14:44<xythrinn>i know some debian users aren't happy with the mention of lmde.
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14:45<dondelelcaro>xythrinn: this is #debian, not #mint or #lmde
14:45<sicelo>heh, it aint that. rather, other distros make changes that are better handled in their own support forums/channels
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14:46<xythrinn>ok sorry...
14:46<xythrinn>bye then :P
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14:55<sicelo>i guess, for my problem, i'll try upgrading i915 driver via b.d.o
14:55<sicelo>:/
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15:19<lxuser>hi. is there a way to overlay / with a union fs, without mucking with the init scripts and without using a separate chroot?
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15:28<lxuser>hi. is there a way to overlay / (root directory) with a union fs, without mucking with the init scripts and without using a separate chroot?
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15:46<xb_chad>Hopefully I'm in the right place to ask: I'm running Ubuntu 11.10 (xfce, if that matters) and I have two input devices. I want one (keyboard) to act normally - interact with the focused window, while the other always interacts only with a specific window. Any suggestions?
15:46<boba>!ubuntu
15:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:46<xb_chad>Can do. Thanks
15:46<xb_chad>join #Ubuntu
15:46<xb_chad>whoops
15:47<boba>Maybe #xubuntu on freenode
15:47<xb_chad>Cool. I'll try that if #ubuntu doesn't work out.
15:48<boba>It's not on this server though.
15:48<xb_chad>Aha. I see. That has 4 people.
15:48*xb_chad is headin' on over to freenode.
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15:53<priv1>I have an nvidia geforce 4 mx integrated gpu and installed "libgl1-nvidia-legacy-96xx-glx", "libglx-nvidia-alternatives", and "libgl1-nvidia-alternatives" an other nvidia packages. Can't do 32 bit :(. Installed nvidia-settings, i can't do some configuration: "Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.". Searched several sites, but can only do 24 bit (I think).
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15:57<Torsten_W>24bit = 32bit
15:57<Torsten_W>32bit is snakeoil in windows
15:58<priv1>Hmm...interesting...Because wanted to play a little game, but it does not allow values below 32bit...
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16:01<priv1>So I can't change the defaultdepth to 32?
16:02<Torsten_W>that's the point
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16:04<priv1>Can you tell me more about the 24bit=32bit thing?
16:05<real>32bit = 24bit color + 8bit of alpha channel (or just zero padding)
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16:07<valdyn>priv1: 24 is the maximum color depth you can set for X
16:08<priv1>Hmm...okay. I have to hack the game!
16:08<valdyn>priv1: more likely youre just making up an issue that is really non-existant or that is really something else
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16:09<priv1>Hmm...
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16:09<valdyn>priv1: run "xdpyinfo", then you will see what kind of visuals an X application can use
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16:10<valdyn>priv1: mind - those visuals are not directly related to the color depth you are setting for X itself
16:10<Torsten_W>this game must be a super secret game, since it can't be told here
16:10<heikkila>sch!
16:10<priv1>sorry, the game is http://cs2d.com can't play it on fullscreen mode
16:10<real>priv1: the xserver can handle the "32bit" stuff ... set the color depth to 24 and the xserver knows what to do when the other 8bit accurs.
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16:11<valdyn>priv1: so for instance, i have various 24bpp and 32bpp visuals available, but my X Color Depth is set to 24
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16:12<Torsten_W>priv1, that you can't play fullscreen is not a problem with the colordepth
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16:13<ishimeru>Hello.
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16:14<priv1>Hmm...actually i solved it now. Sorry for annoying you guys...
16:14<ishimeru>I have a question regarding the torrents on the debian homepage.
16:14<weasel>!ask
16:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:14<ishimeru>Does anyone know where i can find up and down stats for the torrents? I would like to help seed some of the torrents that may need help
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16:16<weasel>hm.
16:16<weasel>http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/ isn't very informative
16:16<ishimeru>yeah tried it :\
16:16<ishimeru>how about this...does anyone know how much data total are all the torrents?
16:17<weasel>1.2t
16:17<weasel>that can be found on the link I just gave you :)
16:18<ishimeru>Oh smoo...sorry. Thank you very much
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16:19<weasel>I'd guess mirroring the first DVD of amd64 is probably the most useful
16:19<ishimeru>Yeah, I was thinking of definitely grabbing and seeding the more popular ones
16:20<ishimeru>then grab any that seem like they have a low seed count
16:22<real>isnt the "complete" column showing the amount of seeders?
16:22<ishimeru>shows zeroes across the board, save a couple
16:23<weasel>wouldn't be surpised if nobody bothered seeding i386-CD 15 or something like that
16:23<weasel>I wonder why we even bother offering them as torrents
16:23<ishimeru>good point ;)
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16:24<real>ishimeru: not all of them are zero
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17:41<nodiscc>hi all, what should I run after modifying ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to apply the theme changes?
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17:46<Spike_DE_>nodiscc: i think, newly started applications should be based on the new settings.
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17:56<Jef91>whats a CLI command to list/see audio devices on my system?
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17:56<cthuluh>aplay -l
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17:57<Jef91>hrm it shows audio devices
17:57<Jef91>I'm getting this - jack server is not running or cannot be started
17:57<Jef91>but libjack is installed
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18:00<corrosiontears>hi Debian Users :D
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18:05<corrosiontears>Algum Brasileiro?
18:05<cthuluh>!br
18:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:06<corrosiontears>dpkg: Sorry... Ok
18:06<dpkg>corrosiontears: i don't know
18:06<cthuluh>Jef91: perhaps the libjack package doesn't contain the jack daemon
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19:02<hamed>hello i am trying to install xampp but i can't copy the folder to /opt
19:02<hamed>although i can copy it in any other place
19:03<hamed>sorry any one here or not
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19:12<ivan>hola
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19:21<dougmencken>hi
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20:12<abdallah>hi all
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20:25<Vlad>Hi all
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21:28<benjr>does anyone know of text editor that lets you select thing in columns?
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21:36<priv1>Have you searched for plugins?
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21:52<alexlisogor>can i ask a question?
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21:53<sleepyal>anyone here?
21:54<Hydroxide>!ask
21:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:55<sleepyal>i am running debian 6.0.3 64 bit and I have this strange problem. The networking is not on unless i'm logged in to the desktop
21:55<sleepyal>if i'm at the login prompt i can't ping the machine
21:55<sleepyal>but once i am logged in i can ping it
21:56<abrotman>you're using network-manager
21:56<sleepyal>meaning?
21:57<Hydroxide>sleepyal: network-manager by default doesn't enable connections except when logged in. there should be an option in the settings for the connection to make it available to all users, or to make it a system connection (depending on which desktop software you're using)
21:57<sleepyal>ok so if i'm using gnome there should be an option there somewhere?
21:58<Hydroxide>sleepyal: if you apply that change to the relevant connections, the problem should be solved. alternatively, if the machine is going to be staying in the same place with the same connection all the time, you should just uninstall network manager and use normal DHCP or a static IP. good for a server or a desktop, it's usually easier not to change that for a laptop
21:58<Hydroxide>sleepyal: correct, the option would be in the connection settings
21:59<sleepyal>ok so if i would uninstall network manager how would i configure the network adapters on the system?
21:59<sleepyal>from the shell?
21:59<Hydroxide>sleepyal: /etc/network/interfaces - debian uses that by default
21:59<Hydroxide>networkmanager probably commented out the default settings there
22:00<sleepyal>is that a config file?
22:00<Hydroxide>or left them in place but ignoring them
22:00<Hydroxide>yes
22:00<Hydroxide>it has a man page
22:00<sleepyal>a man page? aren't those for commands?
22:00<Hydroxide>it can easily handle common things like dhcp and static ip, and you can make it handle most situations
22:00<Hydroxide>commands, file formats, config files, etc
22:01<Hydroxide>man pages in section 5 are for config files
22:01<Hydroxide>or I guess file formats generally
22:01<sleepyal>i see
22:01<Hydroxide>'man man' to learn more :)
22:01<sleepyal>i hear you
22:01<sleepyal>thank you much appreciated.
22:01<Hydroxide>no problem!
22:02<Hydroxide>sleepyal: if you are connecting via wireless there are other places for docs on how to do it the non-NetworkManager way in Debian, not so much in that man page, but the actual settings still go in that file
22:03<sleepyal>i see
22:03<sleepyal>is there an example in that file of how to do it?
22:03<Hydroxide>sleepyal: if it's WPA/WPA2 check /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/*Debian*, and if it's unencrypted or WEP check /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/*Debian* - certainly the wpasupplicant or wireless-tools packages would need to remain installed 9as they should be now)
22:04<Hydroxide>sleepyal: but for wired, that man page should be sufficient. it does have examples.
22:04<Hydroxide>well, a more complicated example than I thought. more examples might be in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/*Debian* (that's the package /etc/network/interfaces is associated with)
22:05<Hydroxide>yes, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has lots of examples
22:06<Hydroxide>you will see it's simple for the simple cases but can scale up if needed, to a point
22:06<sleepyal>i see here in network manager there is connect automatically and enable for all users
22:06<sleepyal>enable for all users was not on for any interface
22:06<Hydroxide>yeah
22:07<Hydroxide>that's the simplest fix for now
22:07<Hydroxide>it still means that if network manager gets upgraded your network connection will be down while it does that
22:07<Hydroxide>until the new version starts itself
22:07<Hydroxide>etc
22:07<Hydroxide>it's a good default for laptops, and in my opinion a bad default for non-laptops.
22:08<sleepyal>does network manager actually edit that file? /etc/network/interfaces ?
22:09<abrotman>no
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22:30<kenyon>what packages are necessary to use youtube HTML5 video playback with iceweasel on squeeze?
22:31<simonlnu>none. visit youtube.com/html5 and read
22:32<kenyon>yeah, I've read that, I'm missing h.264
22:32<kenyon>using iceweasel 9.0.1 from mozilla.debian.net
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22:33<kenyon>oh wait, maybe the lack of h.264 isn't a problem, hmm
22:33<simonlnu>you need to enable it. iceweasel won't have h264 anyway. they said they wouldn't support it
22:33<sney>yeah it normally Just Works even if the youtube feature checker doesn't detect everything
22:34<kenyon>yeah, got a video playing. no audio though.
22:34<simonlnu>maybe you got pulseaudio or something blocking, or some other similar issue
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22:35<dioz>your'e here too
22:35<dioz>u crazy
22:37<simonlnu>nah, not for that anyway
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22:55<priv1>Cannot install iceweasel aurora from mozilla.debian.net, because of the dependencies
22:55<priv1>Using Debian squeeze
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22:57<boba>priv1: I trust you followed the instructions for /etc/apt/sources.list at http://mozilla.debian.net, right?
22:58<priv1>boba: Yeah, the two lines are added
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22:59<priv1>"iceweasel : Hängt ab von: xulrunner-11.0 (>= 11.0~a2+20111223042034-1~bpo60+1) soll aber nicht installiert werden", I think you can guess what it means
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23:08<priv1>!ask
23:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:09<sney>!localized errors
23:09<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
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23:18<priv1> iceweasel : Depends: xulrunner-11.0 (>= 11.0~a2+20111223042034-1~bpo60+1) but it is not going to be installed
23:18<Hydroxide>priv1: you are welcome to continue seeking help here, but if you want help in German:
23:18<Hydroxide>!de
23:18<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
23:18<priv1>Thanks hydroxide!
23:19<Hydroxide>np
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