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00:17<mikah>anyone active? I wanna close my kwallet but the wifi key is stored there, wat do
00:19<mikah>actually i don't want the wallet managing my wifi key, but don't want to have to enter it all the time, can i just disable the wallet subsys and have things still work right?
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00:43<metaspike>i would export and test said export first just in case.
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02:25<nevyn>mikah: what do you propose to use to store the key?
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02:28<mikah>you mean the network management applet doesn't take care of that?
02:28<nevyn>it's a kde app
02:28<mikah>well who thought that up
02:28<nevyn>or a gnome app
02:29<nevyn>it uses the environement infrastructure for storing secrets.
02:29<nevyn>which on kde is kdewallet
02:29<nevyn>and on gnome is gnome-keyring?
02:29<nevyn>or gnome-wallet or something
02:29<mikah>well then is there a way to hide the damn icon from my tray?
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02:30<nevyn>system-tray properties. entries -> hidden always
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02:36<mikah>no i mean not show up in the tray at all
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02:37<nevyn>system-tray properties entries kde-wallet set to hidden always
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02:39<mikah>also is there a way that i can make it so the kdewallet doesn't ask for a password whenever I go to connect to wifi
02:39<mikah>that's my biggest issue
02:39<mikah>i mean if it's going to store my key, (which obviously is done so i don't have to enter it every time) then it asking for my password every time i connect kind of defeats the purpose
02:40<mikah>seriously no one thought of this before?
02:41<nevyn>change the wallet policy for knetworkmanager to allow always
02:41<mikah>it still asks for a password
02:41<nevyn>wfm even
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02:48<mikah>so i guess no one in here knows about wpa_supplicant then
02:49<nevyn>some people like wpa_supplicant
02:50<nevyn>I prefer the flexibility of nm
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02:51<nevyn>mikah: btw if you want to not have kdewallet show in system tray then
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02:52<mikah>no, you still don't get it
02:52<mikah>i DON'T WANT IT RUNNING
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02:52<mikah>at all
02:52<mikah>i have no need for it.
02:53<mikah>thank you though
02:53<nevyn>I suggest that your understanding of this infrastructure is the problem not the actual infrastructure.
02:54<Bushmills>"... is there a way that i can make it so the kdewallet doesn't ask for a password" was the question. why that question if you don't want kdewallet run at all?
02:54<nevyn>or your configuration it's easy to do things like set a wrong policy on knetworkmanager or something and adjusting these isn't obvious
02:55<mikah>that was my original question
02:56<Bushmills>so don't set up kdewallet with a password
02:56<mikah>[00:19] <mikah> actually i don't want the wallet managing my wifi key, but don't want to have to enter it all the time, can i just disable the wallet subsys and have things still work right?
02:56<mikah>see this also answers the problem I have where other users dont' have internet when i log out
02:56<mikah>because this kdewallet bs is just that... bs
02:56<Bushmills>well, sure. wicd, network manager, or a wpa_supplicant config file
02:57<mikah>thank you
02:57<mikah>you gave me an answer
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02:59<nevyn>Bushmills: networkmanager is what he's using
02:59<Bushmills>so he's almost there
03:00<nevyn>Bushmills: with knetworkmanager widget which stores the wpa secrets in ... kdewallet
03:00<nevyn>something about this annoys him
03:00<Bushmills>i suppose he wouldn't want to use that then
03:00<nevyn>which I suspect is just a bad selection at an initial dialog.
03:02<nevyn>mikah: did you make the wifi a "system connection" in network manager settings?
03:03<mikah>that option is not available
03:03<mikah>i mean it's there but greyed out
03:04<Bushmills>wicd, at least, optionally stores keys in a plain text file.
03:05<nevyn>mikah: you need localadminprivs to check it.
03:05<mikah>and how do i get these?
03:06<mikah>are they a buy it now?
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03:06<nevyn>mikah: so rightclick on knetworkmanager then open network settings then add -> shared
03:09<mikah>ok i right click on knetworkmanager > manage connections > add > no shared box, and the 'system connection' box is grayed out
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03:15*medicalwei wonders if libvirt-bin is not compiled with vmware esx
03:15<medicalwei>(client support)
03:16<medicalwei> <- Oh
03:21<nevyn>so it doesn't look like that?
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03:21<mikah>i get a button that opens the window you see when you click 'edit'
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04:07<mikah>well i installed wicd and all it's related packages
04:07<mikah>then uninstalled network-manager and all it's related packages
04:07<mikah>then rebooted and issued an autoremove
04:07<mikah>problems solved
04:07<mikah>no more kwalletmanager
04:07<mikah>no more wifi issues
04:07<mikah>peace for now
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05:44<Thorgrin>Hello guys, I'm trying to install Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
05:44<Thorgrin>currently using stable debian, is it possible, or do I have to wait for wheezy/backport s/th ?
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05:50<Thorgrin>I believe the driver is in 2.6.39 kernel, but it can also be downloaded from the web as source
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05:54<Gyrodrome>Hi, I've recently tried to upgrade to wheezy from squeeze via apt-get upgrade (after changing the sources list). Now I believe I'm still at squeeze but with failing apt-get upgrades. I receive an error message (I have included my sources.list): . Can someone please help me?
05:55<boba>Did you apt-get update first?
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05:56<boba>Ask in #debian-next if you have further issues.
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05:56<bzed>Gyrodrome: whats so wrong with
05:57<bzed>E: The value '.testing.' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
05:57<Gyrodrome>boba: yes. Ok, thanks.
05:57<bzed>Gyrodrome: I guess that explains it very well. you've messed up your apt.conf
05:57<Gyrodrome>bzed: I'm unable to update my dist
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05:57<bzed>Gyrodrome: but if you can't even figure that out on your own, you hould not be running testing.
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05:58<Gyrodrome>bzed: i guess I've done that. I've tried chaging in the sources.list but I haven't manually changed anything in apt.conf
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06:23<nitalaut>Guyes, is there a software that can automatically upgrade packages, but only those that I explicitly stated in some kind of list ?
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06:26<user>hi to all
06:26<user>and merry christmas
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06:27<Guest21756>but on christmas something broke my grub :(
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06:27<Guest21756>on windows i try 1 program for activating adobe photoshop, but on 2nd screen when it offer me to install babylon
06:27<Guest21756>i cancel it.
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06:28<Guest21756>then reboot to continue usin my debian, but ot screen have only
06:28<Guest21756>grub loadin.
06:28<Guest21756>5-6sec no action and then reboot :(
06:28<Guest21756>how can i fix it?
06:28<Guest21756>now i`m usin debian livecd
06:29<babilen>!tell Guest21756 -about fixmbr
06:30<Guest21756>from hiren boot cd, or with installation cd of XP and then recovery console?
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06:31<Guest21756>oh, sorry. i don`t see private msg :)
06:32<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
06:32<babilen>Guest21756: That is from within the Debian recovery console -- You might have to re-run the last command from within your Debian if windows is not picked up
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06:36<Thorgrin>is it normal for linux-image-2.6.39 (+dependencies) to require lamost 1.8GB of space?
06:36<Guest21756>on livecd there isn`t enought space
06:36<Guest21756>so, where to mount it?
06:37<Guest21756>may be /dev/sda3....?
06:37<Guest21756>or other sda that have at least 2gb free space?
06:39<babilen>Guest21756: You just mount it to the Live CD's filesystem - It does not consume space on the CD (and how could it?)
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06:41<Guest21756>what does it mean? mount -t ext3 /dev/sda6 *****
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06:42<babilen>Guest21756: If that is "mount -t ext3 /dev/sda6 /target" it means that you mount /dev/sda6 (which should contain Debian's root fs) to /target
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06:43<Guest21756>but what to use for /target?
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06:45<babilen>Guest21756: /target ;)
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06:45<babilen>Guest21756: "mkdir /target && mount -t ext3 /dev/sda6 /target" or "mkdir /mnt/debian && mount -t ext3 /dev/sda6 /mnt/debian" if you prefer
06:46<Guest21756>i do it, but without -t ext3
06:46<Guest21756>only mount /dev/sda6 8888888888888
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06:48<babilen>Guest21756: "8888888888888" ?
06:48<Guest21756>the rest of command :)
06:48<Guest21756>reboot. something fails. brb
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06:55<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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07:17<zydingxiaomei>who can speak chinese ? help me ! thank you !!!
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07:18<nevyn>zydingxiaomei: /join #debian-zh
07:19<zydingxiaomei>nevyn:they are do not speak any
07:19<zydingxiaomei>:-(my en is very bad!
07:21<babilen>zydingxiaomei: ,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)
07:22<zydingxiaomei>:-(:why ?you !here!!!!
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07:25<nevyn>babilen: this is oftc...
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08:16<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
08:16<user>this don`t help me :(
08:16<user>other solutions?
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08:24<babilen>Guest21761: If you still run into the same problem: You have to install grub to /dev/sda *not* /dev/sda6 (the warnings regarding this should have provided a hint)
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08:25<Guest21761>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. ok
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08:25<Guest21761>thank you
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08:25<Guest21761>i`ll try :)
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08:27<Guest21761>mmmmmmmmmmmmmm. now sounds better :)
08:27<Guest21761>lets restart
08:27<Guest21761>thanks again
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08:35<charlvn>sorry ignore, window opened unexpectedly
08:35<charlvn>time to switch back to irssi apparently
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08:39<user12345235>grub work, but windows isn`t labeled in the boot menu now
08:40<user12345235>now i work on installed debian (not livecd)
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08:50<devil>user12345235: maybe running os-prober will pick it up
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08:52<user12345235>/dev/sda1:Microsoft Windows XP Professional:Windows:chain
08:52<user12345235>so? what to do with this?
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08:53<devil>did you run os-prober?
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08:54<user12345235>yes. this is the result: /dev/sda1:Microsoft Windows XP Professional:Windows:chain
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08:57<devil>did you reboot to see if its there now?
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09:02<user12345235>i`ll reboot now
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09:08<user12345235>no windows
09:08<user12345235>did i need only to type os-prober and then reboot?
09:10<haoyihuan>how to get into chinese channel ?
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09:11<dpkg>For help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
09:12<SynrG>in most irc clients, simply:
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10:20<marek>Alsa crashes when 2 or more programs try to optput sound. Any suggestions?
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10:25<jhutchins_lt>marek: What release/kernel?
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11:38<ml26>Wondering if anyone can help. I am trying to strip down Gnome on my netbook, but running into trouble with dependancies. Seems gnome-core depends on many individual packages which I'd like to remove.
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11:47<abrotman>ml26: not to be a jerk, but why use gnome? why not something like LXDE ?
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12:04<Bushmills>apt-cache show gnome-core: " This meta-package depends on a basic set of programs"
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12:05<ml26>so i guess theres no way around it
12:05<daemonkeeper>... nor is there a problem with that
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12:23<Vielius>german or english
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12:24<Vielius>Hi ich möchte eine 2gliedrige Tabelle mit gnumeric ausdrucken, beim Druckvorgang kann ich nur eine Spalte ausdrucken. Was muß ich ändern?
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12:31<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:33<ompaul>nodiscc: they were gone
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12:36<nodiscc>oops, just noticed. dpkg's fault
12:36<nodiscc>dpkg, apologize
12:36*dpkg apologizes to nodiscc
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12:37<nodiscc>uh btw, this may not be the best place to ask, but how do I redirect visitors from my apache root directory to a subdir, eg. blog/ ?
12:38<nodiscc>i'm looking for something really simple, simpler than a rewrite rule
12:38<daemonkeeper>mod_alias is your friend, and #httpd on Freenode
12:38<nodiscc>daemonkeeper: thanks
12:38<daemonkeeper>or Redirect (RedirectPermanent)
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12:39<nodiscc>daemonkeeper: i tried "RedirectPermanent / /blog", does not work
12:40<daemonkeeper>The target is a full URL.
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12:42<priv1>Has anyone Debian with on an Optimus graphic card?
12:42<daemonkeeper>Optimus is not supported by Debian (i.e. Linux at all)
12:43<nodiscc>daemonkeeper: I also tried "RedirectPermanent / http://mysite.url/blog", it fails too. In apache access.log i see it tries to get /blog/blog/blog/blog/blog/blog/blog/blog...
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12:43<daemonkeeper>well, nodiscc you need to redirect to another virtual host to avoid recursion loops
12:43<daemonkeeper>Or, use a rewrite rule.
12:45<priv1>daemonkeeper: Thanks, so I think. So you cannot use a Nvidia gt 540m?
12:46<daemonkeeper>priv1: There are some hardware switches you can try, e.g. to use either the Intel card or nvidia exclusively.
12:46<priv1>daemonkeeper: You mean this "bumblebee"-thing?
12:47<daemonkeeper>No, that's a poor hack to get both to work.
12:48<priv1>Is it a dirty hack? I've read it's not really well solved. How about the hardware switches, what can I do?
12:49<medicalwei>rm /usr /lib…
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12:49<daemonkeeper>It works, but it starts a separate X server. You need to tell an application which engine to use and you can't switch it.
12:50<daemonkeeper>the switches disable one card completely. That's the only way to use an Optimus card as a whole.
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12:50<daemonkeeper>If your hardware supports that.
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13:00<brother->is it possible to email all maintainers of a package via something like
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13:04<ompaul>brother-: eh each package says who it's maintainers are however if it is a bug you best use the bug tracker
13:05<chealer>brother-: did you see something like ?
13:06<brother->I want to send the same mail to all of them and I want to trigger special filters for the package if they have some such. just to be nice towards the maintainer
13:06<brother->I know how to find the addresses =)
13:06<brother->just that I wanted to be extra nice this time
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13:06<brother->and my guess was indeed correct. thanks chealer
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13:10<XeonBloomfield>What means only "recovering journal" information after mounting unclean removed ext4 file system?
13:10<XeonBloomfield>It means that there is rather no problems with data?
13:12<sney>that would be my guess but I''ve never used ext4
13:13<enderst>if it finished recovering the journal without errors, then data is fine
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13:13<melmothX>that guarantees that the fs is consistent, not that data are not lost
13:14<XeonBloomfield>melmothX: I guess that data is right, because during that only on 1 partition was executed write operations
13:15<XeonBloomfield>I have "more verbose" information from only 1 of 10 partitions (yeah! 10 partitions in my system) - /tmp ;)
13:16<XeonBloomfield>But as I know - all data from /tmp are deleted during system startup, right?
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13:18<XeonBloomfield>Is tty1 logged anywhere?
13:18<priv1>Hey, as I know Optimus doesnt work well under Debian, i have an nvidia gt 540, but on nvidia site, there is an driver for that card, what i havent understand?
13:19<laarmen>XeonBloomfield: for the tmp cleaning, see /etc/default/rcS and rcS(5)
13:19<XeonBloomfield>priv1: Which version of Debian?
13:19<Torsten_W>optimus does not work at all in linux
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13:19<XeonBloomfield>laarmen: I know that it is cleaned during startup - It is only rhetorical question for sure... ;)
13:20<XeonBloomfield>Is it possible to scroll tty1? xD
13:20<priv1>XeaonBloomfield: I used Debian stable.
13:20<XeonBloomfield>priv1: In Debian Stable you have NVIDIA non-free driver supporting up to GeForce 4xx cards - no 5xx support there
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13:21<XeonBloomfield>priv1: You have to use drivers from NVIDIA site
13:22<priv1>Hmm...but it's really unclear for me: Linux doesnt support Optimus, I have an gt540, there is a driver for gt540 for linux? I also tried a nvida driver from the debian-backports repository, but i didnt worked.
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13:23<XeonBloomfield>priv1: just GPU should work well
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13:25<priv1>XeaonBloomfield, so after installing the driver, i can deactivate the gpu to save battery power? Or do i have to use the tool from the hybridgraphics-community (acpcall or sth like that)?
13:26<sney>priv1: usually on these systems, you're stuck using the intel gpu, or you can switch it in the bios. there is no real linux software support until nvidia decides to provide it or someone figures it out.
13:26<DebianSick>i have some problems with a DomU in a Dom0 in xen
13:27<XeonBloomfield>People - fs logs:
13:27<DebianSick>can anybody helpme
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13:27<XayOn>DebianSick: No.
13:27<priv1>sney, yeah that's the problem. And i cant deactivate the gpu in the Bios :(
13:27<DebianSick>XayOn, fine
13:27<XeonBloomfield>So it means that everything is ok ;)
13:27<ompaul>DebianSick: I don't use xen, and you didn't tell ask a good question
13:27<sney>DebianSick: try #xen on freenode
13:28<XayOn>DebianSick: Yeah, in #xen they'll probably can.
13:28<DebianSick>sney is a problem with a debian host and guest
13:29<DebianSick>well i`ll connect to #xen channel
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13:49<jeff1947>Hello everyone. This is my first time and I'm having trouble booting up Debian after installing it. I would appreciate any help you can provide.
13:49<sney>describe your problem
13:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:51<jeff1947>I have a Gateway 2000 that I pulled out of my attic. It is a Pentium II. I installed Debian and then went to start it up. It starts, but then freezes with just a band of blue and green across the top of the screen. You can see "Debian" in the band.
13:52<sney>sounds like a corrupt grub menu
13:52<sney>does it accept any keypresses at that point?
13:52<jeff1947>No, it does not accept any keypresses. I turned the computer off and then started it up again and it froze at the same point.
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13:54<jeff1947>What does the grub menu refer to? I know I saw it on the screen during the installation process and during the startup before the freeze, but I'm not sure what it is.
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13:54<sney>it's the boot loader
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13:55<sney>the part you're seeing - sort of- is the menu that lets you chose between a regular and recovery boot, and set boot options, and let you pick which kernel to use if you have more than one installed. it'd also be able to show a windows install if you had one.
13:55<jeff1947>Sney, you think it's the boot loader. What is that? Also, the computer's RAM is 128MB, which I saw in the guide is the minimum necessary. Might that be an issue?
13:55<sney>unlikely to be a memory issue. it would get past the grub menu if that were the problem.
13:56<jeff1947>I did not keep the Windows XP Professional that was on the computer. So, there's just the one OS on it now.
13:56<sney>when you were installing, did it display everything normally or was there any corruption in the installer? also, did the installer report any errors or failures?
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13:56<jeff1947>No apparent corruption or reported errors or failures
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13:59<dpkg>[supergrub] Super Grub Disk, a fork of <GRUB>, is available for download at . It can be used to repair existing GRUB installations, see . See also <fixmbr>.
13:59<sney>see if you can use this to boot into your debian install
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14:01<jeff1947>Since the computer is frozen, do you recommend my starting the installation from scratch? If not, how do I use this site you've mentioned? I'm presently on my iMacG5.
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14:02<sney>it's a recovery disk, you'd burn it to a cd or possibly a flash disk, then follow its instructions to fix your bootloader or boot directly into your debian install
14:03<jeff1947>OK. Thanks for your suggestion. I'll try it and see what happens. And thanks for your help. With a little luck... Jeff
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14:16<hanasaki>why would the logs for ddns say this " dhcpd: Unable to add forward map from ... to ... timed out" I have setup sqeeze with bind9 and dhcp and added ddns - or tried
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14:18<Bushmills>hanasaki: you'd use nsupdate for dynamically updating a bind zone
14:19<hanasaki>Bushmills, that looks like for doing it manually... the idea is to have dhcp push it to bind when it happens
14:19<Bushmills>commonly dhcp clients and servers provide hooks, passing arguments, to allow calling nsupdate from
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14:22<hanasaki>Bushmills, the dhcp server has the hooks and the config options.. it just seems that I have the config options in bind or dhcp wrong... thus the request for help
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14:24<Bushmills>hanasaki: <- that's how a script invoking nsupdate could look like
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14:25<Bushmills>not that the ip address and host name are not obtained through dhcp, but from vpn connnect in this example.
14:25<hanasaki>Bushmills, thanks.. that fails too
14:25<Bushmills>note, even
14:25<hanasaki>I ran nsupdate manually
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14:26<Bushmills>this uses key based authentication. have you set up your zone, and bind, accordingly, and generated the keys?
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14:27<hanasaki>also ahve a bind dump file output / looks like bind first queries for the new host... and fails query failed (SERVFAIL) for ttt......
14:28<Bushmills>well, this example script was directly taken, before modification, from installation which updates zone files from openvpn connect, and from dhcp component of dnsmasq, setting records upon dynamic address assignment.
14:29<Bushmills>so if it fails, it's not the principle as such which fails :)
14:29<hanasaki>that is a different scenario
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14:30<hanasaki>ddns in dhcp does not use nsupdate directly / it is configured and then does its thing in the backround
14:30<Bushmills>not really. script gets hostname and ip address somewhere from. and instructs name server to update the tzone
14:30<hanasaki>I am not setting up a vpn
14:30<Bushmills>doesn't matter. that's only where data comes from
14:31<hanasaki>well I could mess around with the dhcp stuff and try to make it work with nsupdate and a script.. or I could try to get the built in config options to work correctly....
14:32<Bushmills>nsupdate is *the* mechanism to instruct remote bind to update zones
14:32<hanasaki>maybe dhcpd uses it behind the scenes... should I bypass all the normal dhcp config stuff then?
14:33<Bushmills>not bypass. call nsupdate in addition to its usual task
14:33<Solitarius>See you later !
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14:33<hanasaki>call from where?
14:33<Bushmills>for a LAN solution, check out dnsmasq which combines name server and dhcp server functionality into one package
14:33<hanasaki>a hook
14:34<hook>I didn't call no-one!
14:34<hanasaki>lol @hook
14:35<Bushmills>i.e. integrates both aspect, making updates of zones from dhcp somewhat easier, as you don't need to take care of two discrete apps
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14:35<hanasaki>Bushmills, why add another package like dnsmasq instead of just getting help configuring the existing pacakages the right why?
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14:35<Bushmills>because some help you got, and being offered an alternative is considered help too
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14:36<hanasaki>fair enough
14:36<Bushmills>btw, dnsmasq wouldn't be added, but could potentially replace two other packages
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14:36<hanasaki>Bushmills, Q: is there any reason that the standard ddns with dnsbind and dhcpd should nto work?
14:37<hanasaki>Bushmills, hmm that would change the whole infrastructure
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14:37<Bushmills>ddns as generic term? there are many different clients, and different protocols, some third party dynamic ddns providers differe in the protocol they support. commonly, none of them allow use of nsupdate directly
14:37<Bushmills>but you running bind would be able to use nsupdate
14:38<Bushmills>services like, etc talk different protocols
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14:39<Bushmills>those aren't directly provided by bind
14:40<munzxxx>hi! ... i have an old pc with biult in graphic card and i want to pllay some games that requires graphic cards .... is there is any emulator that could enables me to do so or is there is any other sulotions?!!
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14:41<nodiscc>munzxxx: have you tried running your emulator? does it work?
14:41<hanasaki>ok so I have bind9 squeeze and nsupdate and that doesnt work from the bash shell... would you help with the resolution of this?
14:41<munzxxx>nodiscc : i am newbie ... just started using linux few months ago!
14:42<nodiscc>munzxxx: ok what kind of emulator do you want to run? if your machine is old, i surely won't work with psx emulators, but gba/snes emus would be good i think
14:42<hanasaki>Bushmills, so nsupdate does connect to bind9 and the bind logs show it tries to query the host that is being added. followed by " query failed (SERVFAIL) for"
14:43<Bushmills>sounds like some wrong or incomplete configuration somewhere
14:43<nodiscc>dpkg, tell munzxxx about zsnes
14:43<munzxxx>nodiscc : i meant an emulator for graphic cards!!!!! ... sorry if this seems cryze ....i just miss 'counter strike' and i want to play it on this old machine
14:44<sney>munzxxx: you can't emulate a graphics accelerator in software
14:44<hanasaki>Bushmills, umm ya that is what I have been asking you to help find.
14:44<sney>munzxxx: your only solution is to put a graphics card in it. counter-strike would run on a geforce2 and those are like $10
14:44<munzxxx>sney : so i there is any way to run those applications or games that requires graphic cards?!
14:45<Bushmills>hanasaki: your problem is "query failed"
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14:45<munzxxx>sney : oh! ..... ok .... thanks for your help!
14:45<Bushmills>from the error message you posted i can't possibly derive more than that
14:46<munzxxx>nodiscc : what is zsnes?
14:46<sney>munzxxx: it's for playing super nintendo roms on a pc
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14:48<hanasaki>Bushmills, that is a sympton
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14:48<munzxxx>sney : ok! dpkg told me what is it?! :) ..... but does it require graphic card as well ?
14:48<hanasaki>Bushmills, the problem is nsupdate reports udpate failed
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14:49<nodiscc>munzxxx: it should run on almost any hardware, try with low graphic settings first
14:50<munzxxx>nodiscc : thanks :) ..... thank you guys you are doing an awesome work here :) keep it up :) bye
14:50<Bushmills>hanasaki: i'm sure that's due to some misconfiguration
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14:51<hanasaki>Bushmills, exactly.
14:52<hanasaki>Bushmills, thats what I stated 20mins ago
14:52<Bushmills>hanasaki: one problem i remember i experienced when setting that up was that when deleting a record, i didn't specify the record type to delete, as result after each update, the KEY record was deleted - and of course, further update attempts failed
14:53<hanasaki>Bushmills, in this case, I tried to just add a A record exactly as in the man page
14:53<hanasaki>no luck
14:53<Bushmills>but you'll understand that it is very hard to tell you what your misconfiguration is without knowing anything about what you configured
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14:54<hanasaki>Bushmills, true : I have searched the web and setup as shows : maybe you have an idea as to where to look ?
14:54<Bushmills>unluckily i can't even tell you any more what docs i followed then setting that up
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14:56<Bushmills>well, i *do* remember that i didn't have to look at the source code :)
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15:08<hanasaki>bind starts up fine and resolves hosts fine. dig @localhost my domain returns ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL and the logs show query-errors: client query failed (SERVFAIL) for
15:09<hanasaki>what would cause this?
15:09<hanasaki>bind is serving
15:10<Bushmills>..."dig @localhost my domain returns ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL" ... ".. and resolves hosts fine..." no - it doesn't
15:11<Bushmills>your example is proof that it doesn't
15:12<hanasaki>it cannot seem to get the SOA record / bind starts without erorrs (at least none in the logs)
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15:16<deavid>about the source package "flann"... i can't see the binaries for python modules
15:17<adminuser>can anyone tell me how to use webmin_1.480_all.d
15:17<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
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15:48<jeff1947>Sney and DPKG. Thank you for your suggestion. I downloaded Rescatux from and put it on a usb drive that I then plugged into the Gateway 2000. I started up the Gateway, but the computer froze at the same point. Any suggestions aside from redoing the installation? Thanks for your thoughts.
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16:24<DebianSick>remember the problem that you never let me explain... well it's solved...
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16:29<devil>how could we remember if you never explained :)
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16:31<Bushmills>remember the solution to yout problem you've never been told? glad that helped.
16:31<Bushmills>to your, even
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16:33<DebianSick>the problem was with the detecting the ethernet card in the netbootinstall with XEN
16:34<DebianSick>the installation fail in that step of the installation
16:35<jeff1947>A little earlier, I explained that I?ve just done a standard installation of Debian on my old Gateway 2000, bought in 1998 with Pentium II and 128MB of RAM. I completed the installation and then tried to boot up several times, but the computer freezes up each time at the point where there is a blue and green strip across the top of the screen with Debian within the colors. SNEY and DPKG suggested that I go to and use
16:35<jeff1947>their fix. I downloaded Rescatux from and put it on a usb drive that I then plugged into the Gateway 2000. I?ve set the Bios to go first to removable items before the CD drive and the hard disk. The computer has two USB ports and a disk drive also for the small cassettes that were commonly used prior to CDs. I started up the Gateway, but the computer froze at the same point. Do I need to put the Rescatux on a CD ra
16:35<jeff1947>ther than a USB drive? Any any other suggestions aside from redoing the installation? Thanks for your thoughts.
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16:36<Bushmills>dpkg, botsnack
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16:38<variable_>i have changed my power supply from 350w to 1200w and after that after some time my pc freezes
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16:38<DebianSick>jeff1947, try with boot mark option in the root partition (or boot partition)
16:39<mikah>so how do i turn off kde's notifications
16:39<mikah>i want absolutely NO notifications
16:39<mikah>i've disabled every notification in the system notifications windows
16:39<variable_>is there some problem with power supply or something else?
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16:41<jeff1947>Thank you for the suggestion. The freeze occurs during the bootup process. Also, I installed in the one hard drive so that there's only Debian there. There doesn't seem to be a place where I could change what's automatically happening during the bootup.
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16:42<mikah>well nvm
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16:51<XeonBloomfield>Is it safe to run Disk Utility benchmark on mounted filesystem?
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16:56<XeonBloomfield>Is it safe to run Disk Utility read-only benchmark on mounted filesystem?
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17:26<CookAnEgg>Bonne fin de soirée !
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17:26<CookAnEgg>Have a good day, good evening, or whatever... !
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18:08<mutes>hi, how do i tell whether my debian is 32 or 64 bit?
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18:10<jhutchins_lt>uname -r should show you.
18:10<petemc>file -s /bin/bash
18:11<jhutchins_lt>mutes: Technically it's possible to have a 64b kernel and a 32b userspace, but you have to work at it. Who installed it?
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18:20<mutes>i did jhutchins
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18:21<mutes>and i did it guided because when i did it manually i kept getting grub errors on boot
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18:38<adminuser>how do i use this webmin 480
18:39<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
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18:40<jhutchins_lt2>adminuser: You should learn how to perform the administrative tasks from the console. When Webmin messes your system up - and it's a matter of when, not if - you will need to know how to do that anyway.
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18:40<jhutchins_lt2>adminuser: You could start with this guide:
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19:06<priv1>Is it a good idea using amd radeon on Debian?
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19:28<Aleric>Why is it that every-single-time I upgrade gnome (or something) the fonts look horrible again... why can't they leave it alone?
19:30<ntrrgc>how can I get a somewhat old kernel package from debian snapshots? I want 3.1.4 kernel, since 3.1.5 introduces a regression that inhibits resume from suspension.
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19:30<dvs>funk dat!
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19:30<ntrrgc>Aleric: where do you have your fontconfig configuration files?
19:32<Aleric>All I did was 'apt-get update/upgrade' as usual ... then I had to work 5 hours to get gnome running again in the first place (package dependencies problems) but ok... But then, as usual, MY WHOLE DESKTOP IS FUCKED UP!
19:32<Aleric>I had 8 desktops, only two left now... the panel looks different (much much worse) and moved to another monitor, my wallpaper is gone... my desktop icons are gone.
19:33<Aleric>I feel like shooting someone
19:34<ntrrgc>waoh... gnome version?
19:34*dvs hides
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19:36<Aleric>ii gnome-core 1:3.0+6 The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components
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19:36<Aleric>ii gnome-panel 3.2.1-2
19:37<ntrrgc>No idea. I do not use gnome3, nor I cannot use it, since I have an ATI video card.
19:38<Aleric>There is an alternative?
19:38<Aleric>I'd love to use the old version
19:39<Aleric>I don't think I can get rid of it now without a reinstall (and then install 'stable')
19:39<ntrrgc>Hmm... I think you could use pinning to stable, but that wouldn't be easy.
19:39<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
19:40<ntrrgc>dvs: couldn't you use pin-priorities >1000?
19:40<Aleric>it used a million libs
19:41<dvs>ntrrgc: never tried it
19:41<Aleric>right-clicking desktop doesn't do anything anymore...
19:43<metaspike>Aleric, you want gnome 2?
19:43<Aleric>yes, on testing
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19:44<metaspike>here's a fork you might be interested in: im sure of debian support though. i use fluxbox :)
19:44<metaspike>not sure*
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19:45<Aleric>i'll just uninstall gnome :p ... what is a good alternative?
19:46<ntrrgc>Aleric: which is your video card?
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19:47<Aleric>I REALLY don't understand why they did this... why did I lose my whole desktop on an upgrade from gnome2 to gnome3 ??!!
19:47<ntrrgc>recent, well-supported nvidia card with privative drivers?
19:48<ntrrgc>Aleric: beacuse they are totally different desktops.
19:48<Aleric>everything is gone... also all the buttons and folders I had... it's a complete disaster
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19:48<ntrrgc>gnome3 is a major 'upgrade'
19:49<Aleric>well, they lost me with this shit... I'll switch to KDE then :/
19:50<ntrrgc>Give it a try, specially if you have a recent computer.
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19:52<ntrrgc>lol. Folks in #debian@freenode also are blaming gnome3.
19:52<ntrrgc>All people hates gnome3.
19:52<TCW> broken? It seems it forwards to some japanese character-url (open it to see what I mean)
19:52<TCW>ntrrgc, nack!
19:53<ntrrgc>TCW: It works.
19:53<TCW> <- it redirects me always here
19:54<ntrrgc>:S browser?
19:54<TCW>eeks.. iceweasel does that, midori works...
19:54<ntrrgc>*testing it in Opera*
19:54<TCW>ntrrgc, would you mind checking iceweasel for me? :)
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19:55<ntrrgc>TCW: opera works. Iceweasel do not.
19:55<TCW>ntrrgc, when using iceweasel it redirects to the same site?
19:55<TCW>same site as here I mean
19:56<TCW>thats interesting...
19:56<TCW>首页 <- any japanese around and an idea what that may mean? :)
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19:57<TCW>oth... maybe it isn't .jp and rather .cn... but at least it looks to me (european) like .jp
19:57<chealer>TCW: works fine for me (Iceweasel 8)
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19:57<ntrrgc>TCW: first kanji is "ao" (blue)
19:58<TCW>ntrrgc, are you on sid as me? e.g. iw9?
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19:58<TCW>kanji == character / word?
19:58<ntrrgc>Second character gives me invalid Unicode (or I don't have a compatible font)
19:58<ntrrgc>I am on wheezy
19:59<TCW>ntrrgc, and so iw8 used?
19:59<ntrrgc>with little pinning, and more pinning incoming (I have a problematic computer)
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19:59<ntrrgc>TCW: what is iw8?
19:59<babilen>TCW: It is, most likely, Chinese and means "start page" or "home page"
19:59<att>iceweasel 9 here, and it works
19:59<TCW>ii iceweasel 9.0.1-1
20:00<babilen>TCW: Those two Chinese characters might be used in Japanese as well, but I can't read/speak Japanese.
20:00<TCW>so anyone an idea why ntrrgc and me have that issue with iw?
20:01<TCW>ntrrgc, iw8 == icewesel 8
20:01<ntrrgc>Ah, thanks.
20:01<ntrrgc>|en|%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5 "Home page" in chinese, probably. (I have no chinese fonts installed yet)
20:03<chealer>TCW: most likely something configuration-related (try clearing cookies)
20:03<musca>TCW: my iceweasel gets redirected to a german startpage on w.d.o
20:04<TCW>chealer, true... I started a private session with iw, and there it works as one may expect
20:04<ntrrgc>I have fresh iceweasel... I do not use iceweasel normally.
20:05<TCW>musca, are you german? I am too, but the chinese "front page" does not look like the normal frontpage just in a wrong languge
20:05<TCW>language even
20:06<musca>TCW: yes, my browser defaults to german language
20:07<ntrrgc>My browser defaults to spanish language, and I get a chinese page.
20:07<TCW>ntrrgc, but the page does not look like the frontpage?
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20:08<ntrrgc>wait... my browser should default to spanish language, but it does to english one
20:08<ntrrgc>"The following are some system hardening recommendation from security auditor for default configuration of Debian GNU/Linux. You may apply if appropriate. " <<< No, it does not.
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20:09<TCW>ntrrgc, yeah... ok, me wrong, but it is the same page as I get :) I just thought there was no chinese translation yet so it displayed in english... but anyway, utterly wrong and not a starting page
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20:12<ntrrgc>well, I'll carry on trying to fix my suspension issue..
20:12<ntrrgc>Living in testing is hard.
20:12<TCW>hmm... I deleted all cookies, but still redirected to that page
20:13<TCW>ntrrgc, that depends imho :) I am on sid with all my boxes and living is fine :)
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20:16<TCW>ah, me wrong, it works now
20:16<musca>TCW: Did you set prefered languages under preferences/content?
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20:17<TCW>musca, not that I remember... but I prefer to see the english version anyway.
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20:18<TCW>musca, apparently "german" was selected there
20:18<TCW>as in "de-de"
20:19<musca>hmm, strange
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20:21<TCW>Does one have an idea how to see how mach VRAM the gfx card has? egrep -i "mem|ram" Xorg.0.log does not show. Nvidia gf fx5200 with nouveau used btw.
20:22<TCW>much even
20:22<Crowley2>I am happy with 'Squeeze' :-))) Happy Christmas!!!
20:22<TCW>lspci sauys "32M/64M" which one is it is the question :)
20:22<TCW>says even!
20:23<linkcis>TCW, if thats the AGP card I think that was like 128MB
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20:24<TCW>linkcis, it is AGP but in a laptop
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20:25<TCW>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200 32M/64M] (rev a1) <- oops, gf Go5200, as "Go" is for laptops :)
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20:29<ntrrgc>fffuuu. IPv6 errors in aptitude.
20:29<ntrrgc>I have no IPv6, nor I probably have it here until the next 15-20 years, at least.
20:30<TCW>ntrrgc, so disable ipv6
20:30<ntrrgc>I'm looking for how to disable it.
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20:36<ntrrgc>I wonder why aptitude update takes so much time... but I suppose it is my connection fault. When I go back to the city, I'll be able to check it.
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20:36<reborn>i just installed crunchbang, i need a wireless setup, PLEASE
20:37<TCW>ntrrgc, check with a network / cpu monitoring tools (ifstat / htop for example) if it transfers or "computes" anything
20:37<TCW>reborn, wrong channel
20:38<TCW>hmmm :)
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20:38<ntrrgc>*installing ifstat*
20:38<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on debian>.
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20:39<TCW>Ahh... ok, I really do not need to know how all the other distros are spelled, I have debian :)
20:40<ntrrgc>Sometimes I ask myself... what's the purpose of so many kernel patches debian have?
20:41<linkcis>I thought you all would get a laugh out of this, but im on LMDE. I know its mint running on debian, but I couldnt use the Debian installer because my wireless adapter wouldnt work with the network install lol.
20:41<TCW>that depends on the patches I guess
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20:41<TCW>linkcis, pebcak :)
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20:42<ntrrgc>linkcis: I installed vanilla debian with a wireless network. No problem. You only have to provide a flash drive with some firmware.
20:42<ntrrgc>TCW: they are huge!
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20:42<linkcis>ntrrgc, I have a Netgear N150 usb drive, I have the USB flash drive, what network driver would I use for that?
20:43<linkcis>ntrrgc, I would prefer to go from full debian like network install of the unstable one, instead of this part mint thing
20:43<ntrrgc>linkcis: When you run the debian installer, it gives you a hint.
20:43<TCW>linkcis, dmesg|grep -i firmware
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20:44<ntrrgc>I don't know if it is completely supported, but worked for me with an Atheros card.
20:44<TCW>linkcis, and while you're at it, lspci -nn|grep -i wireless
20:44<linkcis>TCW, both of those commands returned nothing
20:45<TCW>linkcis, lspci -nn|grep -i network
20:45<linkcis>TCW blank
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20:45<TCW>linkcis, lscpi -nn > /paste.txt, upload past,txt to e.g
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20:46<linkcis>ntrrgc, during the install all it told me was couldnt find a ethernet driver and to pick one
20:46<buntunub>linkcis maybe the netinst iso that has all the nonfree firmware blobs on it might help?
20:46<linkcis>buntunub, maybe idk I just have tried the one from the debian website
20:47<buntunub>i ran into the same issue couple weeks ago and that did the trick for me
20:47<dvs>linkcis: lsusb
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20:47<ntrrgc>linkcis: doesn't it tell you to provide a .so file?
20:48<linkcis>ntrrgc, it says something about wanting me to put in a usb drive for additional firmware but doesnt say exactly what it wants
20:48<linkcis>dvs, Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271]
20:49<dvs>,usbid 0846:9030
20:49<TCW>oh me bad... it is a usb debice :)
20:49<TCW>device even
20:49<gsimmons>dpkg: WNA1100
20:49<dpkg>The Netgear WNA1100 "Wireless-N 150 USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0846:9030). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chipset; for device support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. Not to be confused with the <wna1000>.
20:50<buntunub>hmm that should work with free firmware?
20:50<linkcis>dpkg: ath9k_htc
20:50<dpkg>ath9k_htc is a driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide.
20:50<dvs>kmuto time!
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20:51<TCW>linkcis, but what kind of computer is that?
20:51<dvs>!tell linkcis about kmuto
20:51<linkcis>TCW, custom built
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20:51<linkcis>Quad, 6gb of Ram, Nvidia 550 gtx ti 1gb card
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20:53<TCW>linkcis, but no network card built in? Or am I blind? :)
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20:54<TCW>I mean ethernet, wire link
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20:54<linkcis>TCW, network is USB, I disabled the ethernet because the router is way to far for me to want to run a cord lol
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20:54<TCW>linkcis, disabled ethernet? How?
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20:54<linkcis>TCW, bios
20:55<TCW>usb 5-7: ath9k_htc: Transferred FW: htc_7010.fw, size: 72992
20:56<TCW>anyway, I have a at least similar USB wifi card and it works with Debian and that is there is the firmware file I needed
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20:56<TCW>Bus 005 Device 005: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc. TP-Link TL-WN821N v3 802.11n [Atheros AR7010+AR9287]
20:57<linkcis>TCW, okay well im wanting to install the debian unstable, could you point me to were this firmware file is?
20:57<TCW>linkcis, firmware-atheros: /lib/firmware/htc_7010.fw
20:58<musca>,versions firmware-atheros
20:58<judd>Package: firmware-atheros on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.34; wheezy/non-free: 0.34
20:58<TCW>linkcis, why unstable?
20:58<buntunub>firmware blobs and nonfree netinst iso is in the yellow highlighted section
20:58<linkcis>TCW, just past expierence I liked unstable more then testing. Idk just seemed to run better when I used it for me lol
20:59<TCW>linkcis, so stable is out of the question?
20:59<ntrrgc>linkcis: when you have found which package contains the firmware, you have to download the .deb and put it into the root of your flash drive.
20:59<linkcis>TCW, not out of the question no, but if I install stable, I will upgrade to unstable right away. I would prefer to find where I can just get a net install that automatically installs the unstable
21:00<ntrrgc>How can I get my atheros card to work on a kernel that I have built myself?
21:00<ntrrgc>linkcis: the installer of testing and unstable is the same...
21:00<TCW>linkcis, there is no iso for that, why should there be? It would be outdated the minute the iso got guilt
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21:01<linkcis>TCW no i meant I want the ISO that automatically grabs from unstable instead of from the stable one
21:01<ntrrgc>linkcis: There are no netinst ISOs.
21:01<TCW>linkcis, there is none, why should there be one? Install from a testing netinst, edit sources.list to "sid" and off you go
21:01<sney>can't you pass something to the businesscard installer to tell it which branch to install?
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21:02<TCW>iirc with debootstrap you can install sid right away, but to my knowledge there is no d-i that does that (from the start)
21:03<TCW>but not an issue imho, install with netinst, upgrade, done.
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21:04<buntunub> for x86_64
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21:04<TCW>sney, afaik the d-i does not care what size the iso has
21:05<Romney2012>Mitt Romney will restore America's greatness. It is only American power—conceived in the broadest terms—that can provide the foundation for an international system that ensures the security and prosperity of the United States and our friends and allies. Vote for Mitt Romney in the Republican primaries in 2012!
21:05<TCW>one size fits all... somewhat :)
21:05<babilen>It should also be noted that the recommended way is to install with the stable *installer* -- The testing installer is meant for testing the installer, not for installing testing.
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21:05<TCW>.mx is mexico?
21:06<sney>TCW: yeah, but the businesscard barely has any of the OS on it. it's mostly installer. so there's no waste if you download the stable businesscard and then use it to install testing, etc
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21:06<TCW>did the US occupy .mx recently? :)
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21:07<buntunub>welcome to my ignore list Romney!
21:07<TCW>sney, correct
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21:07<sney>depending on who you ask, .mx has invaded the us
21:07<TCW>sney, hehe
21:07<sney> /-ot
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21:21<ntrrgc>how can I tell to make-kpkg not to clean my source folder every time I invoke it? I don't want to recompile the entire kernel everytime I change a module.
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21:30<zach>hi all
21:30<zach>i need help
21:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:31<zach>how do i install bin file......?
21:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:32<zach>sney can you help me please?
21:32<sney>please read what dpkg said, and format your question accordingly
21:37<zach>Sney, I dont know how to install a game that is in a .Bin format do you know how, if so please guide me!
21:37<zach>any better?
21:37<ntrrgc>zach: chmod +x it
21:37<sney>have you tried following the instructions from where you downloaded it
21:37<ntrrgc>sney advise is the best.
21:37<zach>yes doesnt work, im running Debian version "Lenny"
21:38<sney>zach: please understand, I am not at your computer with you, and I cannot read your mind. so I don't know what you're doing, what you have already tried, what error messages you see, etc, unless you tell me
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21:41<kilelme>i'm sorry .. the extention *.BIN.
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21:41<kilelme>that extention is for mac right?
21:41<sney>all it means is binary data
21:41<sney>it's used for like 1000 different things
21:42<musca>is there a *.cue file together with the *.bin?
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21:42<kilelme>sney: what you want install?
21:43<kilelme>sney: what game you want install?
21:44<sney>kilelme: it's not me, it's zach
21:44<zach>savage2, Im looking for an easy way to do this... every attemp has left me in the same spot
21:45<sney>and you still give us no information
21:45<sney>how are we supposed to help from no information?!
21:45<sney>if you can't say what you already tried, at least link where you got it
21:45<kilelme>sney: sorry :D
21:45<zach>dude, im fucking new give me some slack
21:46<kilelme>zach: what game you want install?
21:46<sney>zach: slack _is_ asking you the same thing 3 times with no response and still not accusing you of trolling. :) if you say what's going on, then we can get started.
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21:49<zach>ok... im not trolling i promise im new to debian all i want is to install the game, i;ve tried the chmod thingy and well anything readily avialable
21:49<zach>apt-get all that too
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21:56<musca>an 816 MB self extracting binary - not the best stuff for a beginner, i guess
21:56<kilelme>try ./*.bin
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22:30<ktw>I've got a virtual machine running Potato. What stanza should I put into sources.list to get old security update packages?
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22:31<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ktw -about potato sources.list
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22:33<ktw>They've been taken off and appear available on but I can't divine what to put into sources.list to make it see them.
22:33<gsimmons>ktw: dpkg just told you, check for the private message.
22:34<ktw>I'm a cluebie, and don't know how to check for PMs.
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22:38<ktw>OK, I figured it out, but dpkg's information is incorrect. apt-get gives me 404 errors.
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22:38<gsimmons>ktw: At least pastebin the errors. Why are you even using potato?
22:39<ktw>Nostalgia's sake, basically. It's the oldest debian I've used that I can get an English ISO for; 2.1 is avail but only in German.
22:39<sney>I started on potato. that was almost 12 years ago. holy crap
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22:39<ktw>Here's what it says: "Failed to fetch 404 Not Found"
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22:40<ktw>and so on for main and non-free.
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22:41<ktw>and indeed there is not a Packages file in that directory on archive.
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22:42<ktw>I expect we're supposed to grab the debs ourselves if we're really wanting them, and run them through dpkg. Oh well.
22:44<ktw>Don't suppose you've got pointers for installing a VMware video driver for Xfree86 3.3.6? :P
22:44<gsimmons>ktw: Really?
22:44<ktw>Ya srsly. Potato won't even boot in Virtualbox.
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22:45<sney>what was potato's default kernel, 2.2.26? I know it was a 2.2
22:45<sney>I still remember a bunch of 2.4 stuff but my brain has deleted everything about 2.2
22:46<ktw>though you can go up to at least 2.4.31 with the included gcc & toolchain. That's what it's running now.
22:46<sney>you probably should then
22:47<ktw>I am. I can't use the VMware installer because it expects a somewhat modern Perl, or that's as far as it's gotten before giving up.
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22:47<ktw>Not that it's going to have Xfree 3.3.6 video drivers. Not that Xfree can talk to VMware's VESA framebuffer driver either, alas.
22:48<ktw><grin> See, *this* is what I miss about the old days of Linux.
22:49<sney>you should really have dug a pentium II out of the trash to run this
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22:49<sney>get the full experience
22:50<sney>I have one kicking around that you can have if you're in the calgary area, just needs a hard drive (floppy too if you need it)
22:50<ktw>Hey, I've got an old P90 under my desk at work, which is actually a bit faster than the machine I cut my Debian teeth on. It'll run Firefox 2 in Damn Small Linux. :)
22:50<ktw>Thanks for offer, though.
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23:12<linkcis>Im back lol I couldnt get the debian net installer to load the firmware and work with my wireless
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23:13<gsimmons>linkcis: Which installer image were you using?
23:13<dont_hate_the_player>hey- how do i use backticks with a ssh remote command? like ssh echo `which shutdown`
23:13<linkcis>gsimmons, just the net install tried the firmware one and the stable one
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23:13<dont_hate_the_player>that command will use my `which shutdown`, not the one on the remote machine
23:13<gsimmons>linkcis: Neither image has your required ath9k_htc driver, which entered mainline at Linux 2.6.35. You would be interested in using the unofficial kmuto installer ; /msg dpkg kmuto
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23:16<dont_hate_the_player>any ideas
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23:19<dpkg>Hi, dont_hate_the_player!
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23:20*dpkg gets jiggy wit it
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23:27<TCW>Holy shit, it works! \o/
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23:35<dvs>of course Debian does
23:37<TCW>dvs, talking about compiz on nvidia hardware and nouveau as driver
23:37<kenyon>dont_hate_the_player: just run ssh host which shutdown
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