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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-12-28

---Logopened Wed Dec 28 00:00:25 2011
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00:47<kilelme>what best tool for karaoke on debian ??
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00:55<timmy>Hello
00:55<timmy>is this the debian channel? because if it's the ubuntu channel then my problem cannot be resolved
00:56<riefs>#Ar-Ros
00:57<riefs>hello
00:57<timmy>hi
00:57<riefs>i want to join server : irc.debian.org
00:58<MrFrood>riefs: this irc.debian
00:58<MrFrood>*this is ...
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00:58<riefs>how to enter to channel
00:58<riefs>?
00:59<MrFrood>well you are in #debian now
00:59<riefs>i want to get here.server : irc.debian.org
00:59<riefs>channel : #Ar-Ros
00:59<riefs>can u help?
01:00<kilelme>switch to irc.oftc.net
01:00<kilelme>and that channel is #ar-ros
01:00<MrFrood>riefs: /join #channel (if hosted on this server
01:01<riefs>ok... now i get.
01:01<riefs>thanks
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01:03<timmy>im on xubuntu
01:03<timmy>and im loving it
01:03<timmy>xfce is so much more customizable than lxde
01:03<timmy>:O
01:04<MrFrood>timmy: #ubuntu on freenode
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01:07<timmy>but the x-chat on xubuntu put me here
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01:51<arial>what is the topic
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02:27<amitz>rqqwrqq1qqqqqq
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02:27<riefs_>#Ar-Ros
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02:34<mou>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrxt7I8ZoGQ&feature=youtu.be
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02:34<mutes>if wine messes up my sound drivers, is there a method to 'reload' them
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03:10*atoz-chevara is away: Silahkan meninggalkan pesan...
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03:34<eak>hoi hoi
03:35<heikkila>hello
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03:35<kiso>hi
03:36<kiso>i have raid controler b100i in my dl160g6
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03:37<FatCat>What repoistory, do you use for latest Wine?
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03:38<FatCat>"repository"... Sorry
03:38<kiso>i install squeeze
03:38<heikkila>!tell atoz-chevara -about away
03:38<kiso>and installer don't see my raid
03:39<kiso>i found http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid this instruction but i have problem
03:39<mutes>fatcat
03:39<mutes>did you find a solution
03:40<FatCat>oftc'mutes, tried the "lamaresh" repo and seems working
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03:40<mutes>yeah i use that one too fatcat
03:40<mutes>but its kinda bad
03:40<mutes>and old
03:41<FatCat>oftc'mutes, I'll let you know, if I find a more up2date one ;)
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03:42<mutes>what is oftc
03:42<heikkila>mutes, I'm guessing it is this irc-network :)
03:43<mutes>aha :P
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03:43<FatCat>mutes: As I work with one Bouncer in q-net, oftc, anonnet and more, the network of the user is put in front of his nick ;)
03:44<kiso>anyone install debian on hw raid and had a problem with it?
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03:44<heikkila>FatCat, probably you could use: http://www.winehq.org/download/debian . Somehow. You can ask more in #winehq at the Freenode network.
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03:45<mutes>heikkila they dont have a stable .deb
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03:47<heikkila>mutes, FatCat wanted the latest Wine.
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03:48<FatCat>heikkila, thank you, too :)
03:48<FatCat>will try both and stay on the better one
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03:50<kiso>can someone help me with debian Installation from the hw raid?
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03:50<heikkila>FatCat, what do you need Wine for?
03:50<mutes>oh
03:50<mutes>i see
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03:51<mutes>yeah they have those in deb, but everytime i install them it gives me a broken pack error
03:51<heikkila>kiso, probably, but you might have to ask again in a while if noone answers soon. :/
03:52<kiso>kk
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04:02<FatCat>heikkila, i'll try my luck with old version of itunes ;)
04:03<heikkila>FatCat, okey
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04:12<heikkila>FatCat, have you tried to use Rhythmbox instead?
04:14<mutes>fatcat quodlibet
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04:14<mutes>its the best
04:14<mutes>also does anyone know, if when i make install from 'downloads,' will it install in downloads, or in a pre designated folder
04:16<heikkila>mutes, "make install" uses some script that is distributed with the sources and it should have some uninstall script to. Look for a "makefile" file or maybe install.sh among the sources.
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04:18<mutes>i mean to say, as i compile wine, will it (probably) get thrown to my home folder, or will it install to downloads
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04:18<heikkila>mutes, I think most programs installs into /usr/local
04:18<mutes>if you were to guess
04:19<heikkila>I would guess /usr/local/bin/wine would be the executable and then there's probably libraries in /usr/local/lib/
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04:20<mutes>thanks
04:20<mutes>i just didnt want to have to move source folders to the folder they install to constantly
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04:21<heikkila>mutes, but if you don't have root or sudo-access you can install it into your home-folder using some sort of --destination-directory flag to the install-script
04:21<mutes>you know
04:21<mutes>who DOESNT have sudo access
04:22<mutes>why wouldnt you have sudo access i dont get that
04:22<heikkila>mutes, if you have a shell account at someone else's computer, but if you own it then you probably have access :)
04:22<MrFrood>mutes: because blanket sudo access is evil
04:22<heikkila>Or if it's a shared computer in your home.
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04:23<heikkila>Or a workplace computer.
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04:28<heikkila>MrFrood, evil == practical :)
04:29<MrFrood>heikkila: it's a poor security model
04:30<MrFrood>sudo should be used to provide specific commands to specific users
04:31<MrFrood>not global
04:31<MrFrood>(imho)
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04:32<heikkila>MrFrood, true, but for a single user system I don't see any problems except for NOPASSWD: ALL clause in sudoers file
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04:33<MrFrood>heikkila: on a single user system the user knows the root password so sudo is redubdent, they can just use su -c
04:33<MrFrood>*redundent
04:34<simonlnu>redundant*
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04:34<heikkila>yes, but then you have to remember your root pw too :)
04:34<MrFrood>simonlnu: yeah that too :P
04:34<heikkila>And I don't know if su -c have a password cache like sudo?
04:34<simonlnu>nope. and it's not a passwd cache, it's a timestamped file
04:35<MrFrood>heikkila: su without the -c
04:35<heikkila>ok simonlnu
04:35<simonlnu>"if (time passed timestamp and configured time passed timestamp) then ask passwd
04:35<simonlnu>"
04:36<simonlnu>or something ;p
04:36<heikkila>MrFrood, of course, that's a good way to not enter your pw more than once, but then you might use some commands that does not require root access and then make some mistake with root access
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04:37<simonlnu>check out /var/lib/sudo
04:37<MrFrood>heikkila: well that's the type of user we send to #cpm :P
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04:38<heikkila>:)
04:40<heikkila>How do I check if I even have a root account? I can't remember if I entered any pw in the installer..
04:41<nevyn>you installed debian right?
04:41<heikkila>yes
04:41<nevyn>you set a root password
04:42<ompaul>if he didn't put in a password for root it set up sudo
04:42<nevyn>does it? ooh neat
04:43<ompaul>heikkila: 99% certain that you set one there are a few ways to recover it
04:43<simonlnu>!ifrp
04:43<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
04:43<heikkila>Yes, it says so when it prompts for root pw, so now I just want to check if I have a root account. I found lines with "root" in passwd and shadow, but not sure if it's a indicator?
04:43<simonlnu>if there's a hash in shadow, then there is
04:44<heikkila>ok
04:44<simonlnu>$1$ (who uses md5 any more?) or $6$ or such plus string
04:45<ompaul>simonlnu: what's your ls -al on /etc/shadown
04:46<ompaul>^Hn
04:46<simonlnu>the default
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04:58<peej>I've got an old box running squeeze. It has a built-in agp card (radeon) and just added a voodoo3d pci card to it. I want to get both monitors (one connected to each card) displaying at the same time. Currentlly either one or other starts up, if I set order (agp or pci card) via bios option, so hardware works fine (both radeon and voodoo card xservers installed). I need some guidance on how to get both monitors displaying simultaneously - currently
04:58<peej>one stays blank (2nd one in bios order)
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05:06<ompaul>peej: aiui the way to do that kind of thing is to get a dual head pci or agp card
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05:06<simonlnu>load radeon drivers first then voodoo (or vice versa) to get one of them consistently be 0, then use xrandr to set up dual. or better, that ^^^
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05:11<peej>simonlnu, "consistently be 0" ?
05:12<simonlnu>fb0
05:12<simonlnu>first framebuffer
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05:36<peej>xinerama as per http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html seems to be simpler
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05:54<rancyx>hi
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06:13<derick_>will there be gnome 3 classic in the next stable debian release?
06:14<heikkila>derick_, what is gnome 3 classic?
06:15<heikkila>fallback mode?
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06:15<derick_>heikkila, gnome 3, but without gnome shell?
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06:15<ompaul>and how would that work?
06:16<derick_>e.g. it's an option here atm, debian testing
06:16<derick_>login session option
06:16<derick_>gnome
06:16<derick_>gnome classic
06:16<derick_>fluxbox
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06:16<derick_>gnome classic has a more traditional menu
06:17<ompaul>interesting times ahead
06:17<derick_>it was installed by default
06:17<derick_>e.g. got that option by default
06:17<ompaul>derick_: if testing has it in there when it freezes then yes
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06:17<derick_>ok
06:17<derick_>would be good
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06:18<ompaul>derick_: and that depends on a couple of things how far in the future debian freezes and how far in the future gnome is when debian freezes
06:18<heikkila>derick_, fluxbox is another window manager and is not Gnome
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06:18<derick_>heikkila, I know :)
06:19<derick_>just tried gnome 3 yesterday, hmm could be worse ...
06:20<heikkila>ah, you described your options at the login manager
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06:22<derick_>right
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06:27*derick_ back from ubuntu to debian
06:27<heikkila>wb
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06:45<derick_>hmm apps such as pidgin and evolution doesn't detect the wireless network in fluxbox, where iceweasel and icedove doesn' t have problesms :/
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06:46<derick_>evolution --online
06:46<derick_>evolution-shell-Message: Network disconnected. Forced offline.
06:47<derick_>does it need a gnome network service or manger??
06:47<derick_>e.g. I do have Internet connection :/
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06:48<derick_>I have it via /etc/network/interfaces
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06:48<derick_>no networkmanager
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06:53<kiso>can someone help me with debian Installation from the hw raid?
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06:59<heikkila>kiso, tell about the problem directly
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06:59<kiso>heikkila, i have raid controler b110i in my dl160g6
07:00<kiso>when i install squeeze i don't see this raid partition
07:00<kiso>i see each disk separately
07:00<kiso>i found http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid this
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07:01<kiso>but i have problem in step 5 and 6
07:02<kiso>grub-install /dev/dm this command not working :(
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07:18<laika>anyone knows how to open a window with mplayer (nogui) when U R playing audio files?
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07:58<nocturnal>if I'm counting my way to see which process takes the most memory, can I completely ignore the VSZ seeing as this could be shared libraries that are loaded into memory once for multiple processes? and only focus on RSS?
07:59<nocturnal>of course I realize this depends on how accurate I want to be
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07:59<kiso>heikkila, any idea?
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08:13<nocturnal>I just went with RSS and noted that it's an understatement to measure RSS as they all have shared libraries they use and load into RAM too.
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08:20<heikkila>kiso, sorry, no
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08:49<rleigh>Does anyone have any experience with kvm networking? Using the stock kvm package, my VM gets the IP addresss 10.0.2.13/16, while the external network is 192.168.1.x/8. I'd like to be able to connect to the VM from the host, but currently does not appear possible by default.
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08:49<rleigh>I'd like to NFS mount a shared filesystem.
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08:50<rleigh>Ideally the VM should get a DHCP lease from the same DHCP server as the host and use the same subnet.
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09:01<colton>hi everyone
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09:12<cwood>Good morning. If you were buying 2+ usb gamepads to use with your Squeeze system, which would you use?
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09:38<l0opback>hi all. is it *bad* to cancel an fsck check during boot? and also how would you cancel one? lots of TB drives and it's taking long and need the server back :-S
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09:41<zdingxiaomei>i want speak to you ,how do?
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09:42<FatCat>l0opback, if it is already running -> fail...
09:43<l0opback>FatCat: already running
09:43<FatCat>l0opback, so better let it run
09:43<FatCat>l0opback, for the future, have a look @ tunefs
09:43<l0opback>FatCat: indeed. however it could be hours.. and need it back sooner if poss. but if it's dangerous/unwise (which I expect it is) then they'll just have to wait
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09:44<FatCat>l0opback, you can modify the circumstances in which a fsck is made (default is every X mounts, or every X days, depending what comes first) with mentioned "tunefs" you can modify these values
09:45<l0opback>FatCat: super. i know you can also change the last option in /etc/fstab. set it to zero i believe
09:45<FatCat>l0opback, not dangerous, more unwise, but in emergency case boot in single-user mode and change the values now
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09:46<musca>cn
09:47<FatCat>l0opback, imho the value in /etc/fstab tells fsck in which order the check happens at reboot
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09:49<l0opback>FatCat: it's been stuck on 66% now for about 20 minutes
09:50<FatCat>l0opback, what fs are u using?
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09:50<l0opback>FatCat: ext3
09:51<jhutchins_wk>The values in fstab are documented in the manpage.
09:51<FatCat>l0opback, I wouldn't recommend it of course, but as it's already a journaling-fs, you could try canceling the fsck and booting in single-user, to modify the values to fit your needs
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09:53<l0opback>FatCat: i'll give it another 20 minutes then I'll have to resort to that
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09:54<FatCat>l0opback, kk let us know, if there are further problems ;)
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09:55<l0opback>FatCat: I may not have time to be on IRC if there are problems :)) eek!
09:55<l0opback>is it safe to CTL-C fsck even ?!
09:55<l0opback>looks like it's stuck but since it's not even booted up yet there's no way to tell?!
09:56<gusra>yayaya
09:56<gusra>ijin nyimak ya :)
09:56<gusra>from indonesia
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10:02<jhutchins_wk>l0opback: Is there disk activity?
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10:02<jhutchins_wk>l0opback: Do the disks sound normal?
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10:07<l0opback>jhutchins_wk: there is. it just jumped ten % in one go
10:07<l0opback>wish i knew how long it would take though :-S
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10:11<raul>hey
10:11<raul>hey fuckers
10:13*lord_rob is starting the countdown (but too late)
10:14<raul>can any one teach me how to hack wifi
10:14<XayOn>Any admin out there? ^
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10:15<lord_rob>XayOn: nevermind ;-)
10:16<XayOn>=) Oh, I see, the countdown was due to him?
10:16<lord_rob>:)
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10:16<priv1>Is there a Debian channel for handehelds?
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10:16<priv1>*about debianOnHandhelds
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10:17<lord_rob>XayOn: and I'm not a chanop, I was just observating *when* the ban would occur
10:18<XayOn>lord_rob: That's what I tought ;)
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10:18<cthuluh>priv1: #debian-arm, perhaps?
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10:19<priv1>cthuluh: thanks
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10:28<l0opback>jhutchins_wk, FatCat patience is a virtue. it came back.
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10:31<FatCat>l0opback, nice to hear ;)
10:31<l0opback>FatCat: it did stick on 67.1% for about 30 minutes which worried the hell out of me.
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10:32<l0opback>FatCat: that tune2fs option will be quite a handy thing to use on my laptop, but I don't think I'll disable it on my servers. Otherwise I'd never end up checking the volumes. This machine had been up for a very long time and should've been done before now.
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10:33<FatCat>l0opback, wise decision ;)
10:34<l0opback>FatCat: How does one manage to run fsck regularly on a machine that's in constant use? bit of a conundrum
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10:36<Losba>For some reason alsamixer (and alsa itself) seems to be defaulting to my nVidia sound instead of my integrated sound, how would I change a default like that?
10:36<kilelme1>!awesome
10:36<dpkg>awesome is, like, a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net.
10:36<FatCat>l0opback, to get around this problem every enterprise environment has scheduled maintenances ;)
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10:37<FatCat>l0opback, or redundancy :)
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10:39<royh>is there no chef-server in the debian repository or am i just blind?
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10:39<jhutchins_wk>l0opback: Schedule downtime.
10:40<jhutchins_wk>l0opback: You might want to look at the smartctl package.
10:40<jhutchins_wk>l0opback: smartmontools
10:41<FatCat>royh, what do you mean?
10:41<royh>FatCat: there is a client, but not a server
10:41<royh>you can get the server from the opscode repo, but i was hoping to find it in the debian repo...
10:43<FatCat>royh, unfortunately you have to get it from a 3rd party repo :\
10:43<royh>why is that?
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10:43<FatCat>royh, perhaps the chef-server is not gpl conform? don't know exactly, sorry
10:43<royh>politics, licencing issues or just no maintainer i presume, but i don't know which one :P
10:43<jhutchins_wk>royh: The most obvious answer is that no-one has put in the effort to make it available in debian. There may also be license or patent issues.
10:44<royh>jhutchins_wk: yes, i was looking to find an exact answer.
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10:46<royh>licensed under apache-2 (it seems)
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10:47<jhutchins_wk>royh: Most likely answer is "not enough interest".
10:47<royh>it only takes one man (and a sponsor) ;P
10:47<wrek-gar>trying to unrar a file split into 86 parts from one drive to another with the command unrar x /media/drive1/filepath /media/drive2/filepath - the problem is that it
10:48<wrek-gar>it's taking forever, is there a better way to use unrar?
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10:48<royh>the chef package in sid is very old as well
10:49<royh>would be cool to package it. work with chef every day (although on centos), but do a lot of testing on debian/ubuntu.
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10:55<peej>I've got an old box running squeeze. It has a built-in agp card (radeon) and just added a voodoo3d pci card to it. I want to get both monitors (one connected to each card) displaying at the same time with xinerama. Currently my pointer goes over from one display0 to display1 but not even a root window is actually showing on display1
10:55*peej decides to try juggling bios setting
10:56<heikkila>peej, built into what? Do you mean it's integrated on the mainboard?
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10:56<peej>yup
10:56<heikkila>peej, ok, just seemed odd that an agp-card was integrated to mainboard
10:58<peej>oh man, the machine makes horrible beeping noises on swapping card boot order when it is time to start x...
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11:00<peej>adding input device pc speaker? During xorg start up? wtf?
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12:02<alkisg>Hi, using a default installation of Wheezy/LXDE, I got "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in my /etc/network/interfaces.If I boot my computer with
12:02<alkisg>...the network cable unplugged, I get an ip by avahi, 169.something
12:02<alkisg>Then if I plug the network cable, I don't get an IP, I have to manually run dhclient
12:03<alkisg>Is this normal? Users are expected to manually run dhclient to get an IP?
12:03<alkisg>If I boot my computer with the network cable plugged in, then of course I get an IP and everything is fine
12:03<mou>they dont care
12:03<mou>like me they didnt answer
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12:03<mou>only fags here
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12:07<babilen>alkisg: You might want to use something like network-manager or wicd -- Also look into ifplugd and related tools.
12:07<alkisg>babilen: so dhclient and /etc/network/interfaces really can't do that?
12:07<babilen>mou: Please keep it professional in here. If you can't answer a question just stay quiet -- I also doubt that we are all cigarettes in here.
12:08<alkisg>If I need to troubleshoot something, I'd prefer to use those, to use less memory
12:08<alkisg>Otherwise sure I can use network manager...
12:08<babilen>alkisg: You want something to happen whenever you plug in a cable you need something that monitors this. (like ifplugd) -- network-manager and wicd do this by default
12:09<mou>i m on debian 6 and my wifi card is not regonize , i m on a asus netbook
12:09<mou>i have downloaded all drivers
12:09<mou>but it still not working
12:09<alkisg>babilen: right, I thought that dhclient would monitor for if-up events... but appareantly it doesn't
12:09<babilen>indeed
12:10<alkisg>Thanks, I'll work around it
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12:13<cthuluh>mou: that's sad... you're insulting people, perhaps because you can't get help, but you can't even help people to help you, telling which wifi nic you're using ; I've already wasted too much bytes for your case
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12:13<mou>its a test (real but still a test)
12:13<mou>i understood you dont want to answer
12:14<mou>lol noobs
12:14<mou>http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110816122517AAwA6Fq
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12:14<mou>http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110816122517AAwA6Fq
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12:15<ansgar>!ops mou
12:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: mou
12:15<cthuluh>he just left
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12:16<SavageWolf>Wait, what is dpkg doing?
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12:18<PatrickBatman>uninstalling a user :)
12:18<cthuluh>dpkg -P to the rescue
12:18<dpkg>cthuluh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
12:18<cthuluh>yes :)
12:19<jhutchins_wk>alkisg: Do you have "allow-hotplug eth0" ?
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12:19<alkisg>jhutchins_wk: The default installation got me this:
12:19<alkisg># The primary network interface
12:19<alkisg>allow-hotplug eth0
12:19<alkisg>iface eth0 inet dhcp
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12:20<alkisg>Erm, pasting 3 lines is considered flooding? :(
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12:20<alkisg>Anyway, I also tried replacing "allow-hotplug eth0" with "auto eth0", no difference
12:20<jhutchins_wk>alkisg: Anything more than two.
12:20<alkisg>(07:19:46 μμ) alkisg: jhutchins_wk: The default installation got me this:
12:20<alkisg>(07:19:46 μμ) alkisg: # The primary network interface
12:20<alkisg>(07:19:46 μμ) alkisg: allow-hotplug eth0
12:20<alkisg>(07:19:46 μμ) alkisg: iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:21<jhutchins_wk>alkisg: Sounds like you might have found a bug in udev.
12:22<alkisg>jhutchins_wk: so, to better understand this so that I can file bugs about it... dhclient daemonizes itself and waits for a "link connected" event, and udev should fire that, and it doesn't?
12:22<alkisg>If so, I can try `udevadm monitor` or stuff like that
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12:25<jhutchins_wk>alkisg: You might see if anyone in #debian-next has any suggestions.
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12:25<alkisg>Thanks, will do
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12:44<SavageWolf>XChat isn't very stable...
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12:45<myk42>
12:46<SavageWolf>Uh, I'm using Debian Testing and XChat crashes every time I try to edit preferences or anything...
12:46<boba>SavageWolf: #debian-next
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12:49<str3l0k>hi guys
12:49<str3l0k>hi debhelper
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12:50<str3l0k>i have a fullhd screen but i can't set the reolution, cuz all i have is 1024*768! how do i set that.
12:50<str3l0k>?
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12:55<devil>str3l0k: as user: xrandr | grep -i max
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12:58<str3l0k>i had a long text but nothing happened, still the same resolution
12:58<devil>str3l0k: sure. i just try to find out what may be thr cause
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12:59<devil>and the text cant be that long
12:59<str3l0k>sorry i'm a beginner devil
12:59<str3l0k>what is the next step?
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12:59<devil>did you copy/paste my line?
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13:00<myk42>
13:00<str3l0k>xrandr | grep -i max this one? yes i already did
13:00<devil>that should return 1 line only
13:00<str3l0k>nope it returned a long text
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13:00<devil>then you missed the |
13:00<devil>its a pipe
13:00<str3l0k>oh oh ok
13:01<devil>you should get a line like: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 8192 x 8192
13:01<str3l0k>but where is that on thekeyboard?
13:01<devil>i dont know where that is on a EN keboard
13:01<str3l0k>fr keyboard then :D
13:01<devil>no idea
13:02<str3l0k>look, i could copy it but how do i paste it in terminal? ctrl+v wouldn't work
13:02<alkisg>Middle mouse click
13:02<devil>your output sghould have a line similar to mine at the beginning
13:02<alkisg>select text, go to the target window, press middle mouse click. No "copy" step, only "paste" step.
13:03<str3l0k>got it!!
13:03<str3l0k>but how do i copy from terminal?
13:03<alkisg>Same
13:03<alkisg>select text, go to the target window, press middle mouse click. No "copy" step, only "paste" step.
13:03<devil>same way
13:03<str3l0k>ok
13:03<SavageWolf>If you want to use the "normal" copying and pasting for some reason, ctrl+shift+v and ctrl+shift+c works.
13:04<str3l0k>minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096
13:04<str3l0k>there :D
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13:04<str3l0k>what's next?
13:04<devil>str3l0k: what graphics card and driver do you use?
13:05<devil>emh, sorry, gotta run
13:05<alkisg>To see the graphics card and driver: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
13:05<str3l0k>i never've installed any driver on linux, and i neither have a graphic card, it's chipset i guess
13:05<str3l0k>hold on then
13:06<str3l0k>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2772] (rev 02)
13:06<str3l0k> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:817a]
13:06<str3l0k> Kernel driver in use: i915
13:06<alkisg>And if you just run "xrandr", what's the max resolution that you see?
13:07<str3l0k>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096
13:07<str3l0k>VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
13:07<str3l0k> 1024x768 60.0*
13:07<str3l0k> 800x600 60.3 56.2
13:07<str3l0k> 848x480 60.0
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13:08<str3l0k>hey you could warn me! so? what do i do now?
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13:09<alkisg>str3l0k: a bot kicked you, it's automatic
13:09<str3l0k>i noticed
13:09<str3l0k>devil, any issues?
13:09<alkisg>How do you connect your hd monitor? With some dvi adaptor?
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13:10<str3l0k>with vga, or dvi, no adaptor
13:10<alkisg>Now it's connected with vga?
13:10<str3l0k>yep
13:10<alkisg>Put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste.debian.net
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13:11<str3l0k>in terminal?
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13:11<alkisg>It's a file, you open it with some editor and you paste it to that paste.debian.net site
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13:12<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: Did you figure out the pipe ( | ) character?
13:13<jhutchins_wk>\|/
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13:13<str3l0k>not yet
13:14<jhutchins_wk>It's often on the same key as \, either a vertical line or a broken vertical line.
13:14<str3l0k>and about pasting in debian.net what do i write in CODE? do i just leave it blank?
13:14<str3l0k>nope
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13:16<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: the CODE window is where you paste the text.
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13:17<str3l0k>ok i did that
13:17<str3l0k>and i had a very long text! so what?
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13:18<str3l0k>alkisg you there?
13:18<myk42>
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13:19<alkisg>str3l0k: after you put something to pastebin, you paste the URL here, so that we can see what you pasted
13:20<str3l0k>sure
13:20<str3l0k>http://paste.debian.net/150408/
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13:22<alkisg>str3l0k: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in your system?
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13:22<str3l0k>let me check that*
13:23<str3l0k>nope i don't
13:24<alkisg>From what xorg.log says, your driver reads your monitor timings (EDID), and your monitor reports that it supports those resolutions only
13:24<alkisg>Are you absolutely sure that your monitor supports bigger resolutions?
13:24<str3l0k>absolutely
13:25<alkisg>Then you'll need a customized xorg.conf to specify your monitor timings
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13:25<str3l0k>ok
13:25<str3l0k>how do i do that?
13:25<alkisg>I.e. something like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/786001/
13:25*alkisg needs to do something now, can't help more, bbl
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13:27<str3l0k>wait do i creat a file myself and put paste that in?
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13:28<alkisg>Yes, you create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you paste that in, BUT you need bigger timings
13:28<alkisg>Those timings are for 1024x768
13:28<jhutchins_wk>Is thre a way to generate a date with an offset?
13:28<str3l0k>so what timing do i use for 1980*1080
13:28<str3l0k>or even 1280*720
13:29<str3l0k>or 1366*768?
13:29<alkisg>No time to help more, bbl
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13:30<str3l0k>does anybody run his linux under 1980*1080?
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13:35<jhutchins_wk>straszheim: I think alkisg was wrong, those timings are for what the monitor supports, not for a specific resolution.
13:35<alkisg>jhutchins_wk: no I wasn't wrong, please don't mix him up
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13:36<alkisg>The max timings allow xorg to select ANY resolution up to a certain one
13:36<alkisg>So with e.g. 88 horz resolution, you get 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 etc
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13:36<alkisg>And with e.g. 110 horz resolution, one can get 1366 or higher
13:36<jhutchins_wk>alkisg: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
13:37<alkisg>No time to check for the exact numbers there, but it's a technique that I had to use dozens of times
13:37<alkisg>You can also use "cvt" to see the timings, but that's not the ones you put in xorg.conf
13:37<jhutchins_wk>alkisg: Srry, that was for stderr
13:37<alkisg>Anyway as I said I need to do something, bbl
13:37<jhutchins_wk>ah, he left anyway.
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13:56<Gnusense>Which Broadcom driver is likely to work better, wl/broadcom-sta or B43?
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14:25<str3l0k>hi what's the best DOWNLOAD MANAGER for linux?
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14:26<str3l0k>devil?
14:26<str3l0k>hi what's the best DOWNLOAD MANAGER for linux please?
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14:29<cahoot>I'd say aptitude
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14:30<str3l0k>what about torrent?
14:30<ansgar>str3l0k: apt-transport-debtorrent?
14:30<cthuluh>see rtorrent, transmission, etc
14:31<str3l0k>allright
14:31<str3l0k>are they free.
14:31<str3l0k>?
14:31<cthuluh>as all software packages in debian main
14:32<str3l0k>ok
14:34<str3l0k>is vlc the best video player on debian?
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14:36<rudi_s>str3l0k: I don't think there is a "best" video player, both vlc and mplayer are very good.
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14:36<cthuluh>and some people are pretty happy with totem and whatever kde ships with
14:37<str3l0k>is anybody set to 1920*1080? then i need his xorg.conf to set up manually mine
14:40<rleigh>xrandr should set up the optimal resolution automatically; editing xorg.conf shouldn't be necessary.
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14:41<str3l0k>and my optimal one is 1024*768 while i'm on a fullhd screen
14:41<str3l0k>there must must be a mistake
14:42<gnugr>str3l0k: try this it might help you out " xrandr -q | grep -w Screen "
14:42<dinus>str3l0k: make your mode-lines with gtf
14:43<str3l0k>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096 gnugr
14:43<str3l0k>dinus what?
14:44<gnugr>str3l0k: it shows possibles resolutions
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14:44<str3l0k>and i have none
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14:44<gnugr>min/current/max
14:45<gnugr>choose the best
14:45<rleigh>str3l0k: Example: http://paste.debian.net/150414/ It's already picked the optimal resolution here.
14:45<str3l0k>what is the command to change resolution from terminal?
14:46<gnugr>str3l0k:try autoconf " xrandr --auto "
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14:47<str3l0k>i want to set it manually please
14:47<str3l0k>D:
14:48<rleigh>Same command. Use --fb widthxheight (see the xrandr manual page for examples)
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14:49<rleigh>Most of the desktop GUI screen configuration dialogues do this for you behind the scenes.
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14:56<dinus>str3l0k: with: gtf 1920 1080 88 you get a modeline to be dropped in the monitor section
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14:57<dinus>read the manual of gtf
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14:59<dinus>all modelines (- resolutions) will be listed with xrandr after restart of X
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15:00<dinus>your xorg.conf is build on default value's
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15:16<dinus>str3l0k: gtf 1920 1080 60 is your line
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15:24<melonade>Hello I have a problem I have no idea how to fix http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/7880
15:25<jordanm>!tell melonade about wl
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15:27<petemc>!info wl
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15:28<dpkg>wl: (mail/news reader supporting IMAP for emacsen), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.14.0-12 (sid), Packaged size: 897 kB, Installed size: 3916 kB
15:28<houms>jordanm what are you trying to do?
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15:29<melonade>/etc/apt/sources.list no such file or directory. How is that possible?
15:29<houms>melonade what are you trying to do?
15:30<melonade>Follow this http://wiki.debian.org/wl#supported
15:30<melonade>"Add a "non-free" component to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:"
15:30<jordanm>melonade: what version of debian are you running?
15:30<melonade>And I got "/etc/apt/sources.list no such file or directory" back somehow
15:30<melonade>The latest. Whichever that is
15:31<jhutchins_wk>!sources.list
15:31<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
15:31<jordanm>melonade: pastebin "cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6" as root
15:31<jordanm>actually, you don't need to be root
15:31<houms>so what version of debian are you running?
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15:32<hook>If anyone here's using Desura — is there any valid reason I should install the same game using Desura instead of 'dpkg'-ing its .deb from Humble Indie Bundle?
15:32<melonade>Squeeze
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15:32<jordanm>melonade: please provide the pastebin
15:33<Nemoder>hook: yes, the game wont ever be updated if you install it from the .deb
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15:33<melonade>http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/7882
15:33<hook>Nemoder: unless I uninstall and reinstall the updated .deb by hand?
15:33<Nemoder>hook: yes
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15:34<houms>melonade does sources.list show in /etc/apt?
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15:35<houms>i mean if you ls -l /etc/apt
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15:37<melonade>yes it does i must have made a typo
15:38<houms>melonade i think part of your problem maybe wl is throwing you off. as if i am not mistaken wl is also a mail/news reader
15:38<Nemoder>melonade: what editor did you try to open it with?
15:38<melonade>Facepalm I wasn't trying to open it as a text file
15:39<houms>so if you did not build the wl kernel module , when you modprobe' it it said fatal cause there is no module wl and when you apt-get install it , it is saying wl the news reader is installed
15:39<houms>I am running wheezy on a work laptop and am using the wl module
15:39<melonade>I was trying to open as an executable
15:39<Nemoder>oops
15:39<houms>the wiki does work
15:39<Nemoder>try nano /etc/apt/sources.list
15:39<melonade>Yes I understand that houms but now I'm following this http://wiki.debian.org/wl#supported
15:40<houms>understood, are you good to go now or are you still having issues?
15:40<houms>if so on what?
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15:41<melonade>I believe I'm all sorted out now, thanks
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15:42<houms>sounds good.
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15:44<hook>Nemoder: So if it's not in APT tree (is that a correc term even?), Desura is a better option then pure 'dpkg'?
15:44<Nemoder>hook: I tend to think so, at least for proprietary games
15:45<hook>Nemoder: Is the Desura client in any of the repos then?
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15:45<Nemoder>hook: no, they haven't released source for it yet although they plan to
15:45<hook>Oh, well, I'll wait until then than :)
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15:46<hook>s/than/rather
15:46<Nemoder>desura self updates, but it's currently designed to be run as a single user
15:47<hook>Nemoder: How resource hungry is Desura as a wrapper for the games? Does it need to run in order to launch games? Does it install them in a standard way (e.g. in /opt/) or inside the home dir?
15:48<Nemoder>hook: it's not too resource heavy, games dont need it to run, and they are installed in your home folder under desura's folder
15:48<Nemoder>I think it's a neat idea because they do test the games and package them a bit better than some game developers do
15:48<hook>Hm, I guess I'll have to rethink my file structure anyway.
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15:48<hook>For GNU/Linux? Really?
15:49<Nemoder>yes, a lot of devs will include broken libs or just not test their games on more than one system
15:49<hook>I mean, better then many of the commercial devs, sure. But better also then Icculus?
15:49<Nemoder>ryan does a good job
15:49<Nemoder>but some of the other devs just dont put much testing into it
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15:50*hook barfs a bit in his mouth thinking of bundling libs that could be shared.
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15:50<hook>OK, makes sense then. Thanks for explaining :)
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15:51<hook>Is there any news on which license the client will be under?
15:51<Nemoder>hook: it actually makes sense to bundle libs if you dont plan on updating your game for each linux distro version
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15:52<Nemoder>http://www.desura.com/groups/desura/forum/thread/open-sourcing-desura
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15:52*jhutchins_wk observes that the topic here is supposed to be Debian Support
15:53<Nemoder>I think getting games running in debian is a support issue :P
15:53<hook>Nemoder: I completely understand the reasoning. In an ideal world it'd just be a lot neater if they let this be handled by distros in the first place.
15:53<Nemoder>yeah but not many commercial game devs are willing to open source their games
15:53<hook>Nemoder: Sure. Doesn't mean I have to like it though ;)
15:54<hook>Anyway, *now* we're actually getting off-topic. Sorry, jhutchins_wk.
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15:54<hook>So, what's the convention of storing shared manually installed programs or scripts on Debian?
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15:55<hook>And is there a convention also for storing the same for (non-shared) user programs and scripts?
15:55<Nemoder>most programs default to /opt or /usr/local
15:56<Nemoder>programs that self-update don't work too well shared though, those I only install to my home folder
15:57<hook>Nemoder: So far I was using /opt/Games and had it chgrp'd to 'games' (on Gentoo that is)
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15:58<Nemoder>hook: that usually works, but if the game creates new files in it's folder they often get ownership set to the user instead of the group
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15:58<s_i_m>for example, mana (former tmw) is in official distro, but also self-updating, which means it can be done well
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16:05<jhutchins_wk>!fhs
16:05<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
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16:07<jhutchins_wk>There's more than one place they can be legitimately installed (especially bash scripts), so you can pick which standard to follow.
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16:07<jhutchins_wk>Most people put 'em in /usr/local or /usr/local/bin
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16:09<hook>I'm reading through Debian docs and know about FHS, but wanted to know what the de facto convention is.
16:09<hook>So, it's actually being used in practice?
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16:11<f0rk>I think the standard reflects practice more than anything :P
16:12<s_i_m>its use is mandated by poliicy for the packaged software. but users are of course free to choose their own ways
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16:12<s_i_m>i keep my own scripts in $HOME/bin
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16:13<hook>I still don't get the difference between /opt and /usr/local
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16:13<s_i_m>/usr/local is mostly for locally built and installed software
16:14<hook>s_i_m: I know, that's why during the years my own way is quite different from the norm, since back then we didn't have one yet ...I'm trying to fit in again :P
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16:16<hook>So, /usr/local for locally installed packages and /opt for software that contains everything in one single directory?
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16:16<valdyn>hook: theres no debian convention except not to put anything where debian packages might put something
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16:17<hook>valdyn: I understand that. That being said, should I be asking such questions on a different channel, since it's not 100% distro-specific?
16:17<valdyn>hook: /usr/local/bin is in $PATH, /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf etc, so /usr/local/ is obviously conventient for things that might benefit from the reduced configuration burden
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16:18<valdyn>hook: the fhs should be conclusive, is it not?
16:19<valdyn>hook: on the other hand people fuck up their systems regularily since /usr/local/lib takes precedence over /usr/lib
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16:19<hook>I come from the land of source-based distros, so I'm still a bit lost on the terms like "installing software locally" vs. "installation of add-on application software packages".
16:19<s_i_m>hook, /opt is typically used by proprietary software from vendors not tied to a specific distro
16:20<valdyn>hook: this distinction is not usually needed in debian either
16:20<hook>And before anyone asks, yes, I also know that one can modify $PATH to point out to any directory.
16:20<valdyn>hook: in other words, almost anything can and should be packed into a deb file
16:20<valdyn>hook: but ignorant people wont know how to do that
16:21<hook>valdyn: 'key. So, even if you're locally installing (I assume that means installing software that's not in the repos), it's a smarter thing to create a .deb package from it first and then 'dpkg' it.
16:21<valdyn>hook: yes
16:21<hook>Makes sense.
16:22<hook>So, I assume that APT (or aptitude) also tracks .deb packages installed directly with 'dpkg'?
16:22<valdyn>hook: yes
16:22<EmleyMoor>The disk for one of my nfs filesystems has been changed - what should I do, at either the server or the client end, to make the server realise it exists?
16:23<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what are you saying? that you hotplugged a disk thats not hotpluggable?
16:23<hook>valdyn: Thanks, things are a lot clearer now and a lot neater then I feared :)
16:23<EmleyMoor>No, nothing like that
16:24<EmleyMoor>It's fine locally but trying to cd into it remotely fails - No such file or directory
16:24<valdyn>EmleyMoor: remount
16:25<EmleyMoor>valdyn: How exactly?
16:25<valdyn>EmleyMoor: umount server:/path; mount server:/path /path/to/mountpoint
16:25<EmleyMoor>(autofs usually looks after it at the remote side)
16:25-!-CookAnEgg [~Developer@AClermont-Ferrand-651-1-28-188.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
16:25<CookAnEgg>Hi !
16:26<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ok, to bad, i dont know anything about autofs
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16:26<s_i_m>EmleyMoor, try restarting automounter then
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16:27<s_i_m>CookAnEgg, hi
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16:29<EmleyMoor>s_i_m: No effect
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16:30<technologov>hi ! I have Q: in Debian if the "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made." - means it can't be reopened ?
16:31<s_i_m>EmleyMoor, can you unmount the share with umount? This should work with autofs too.
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16:34<ansgar>technologov: It can after it is unarchived.
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16:34<technologov>aha, ok
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16:37<EmleyMoor>s_i_m: No error but no effect either
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16:39<mausi>hi
16:39<s_i_m>EmleyMoor, interesting. On the server side you obviously mounted the new drive to the same mount point?
16:39<mausi>anyone firm with xubuntu and willing to help a newbie?
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16:39<ansgar>!ubuntu
16:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... has come good "on its own"
16:40<mausi>k
16:41<EmleyMoor>I get this problem every week at present and it always eventually comes good on its own - but I could do with a way to bring it good on demand
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16:43<s_i_m>EmleyMoor, probably, there is a long timeout somewhere in the nfs code in the kernel...
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16:45<s_i_m>but an explicit remounting should in any way clear any pending timeouts... i dunno
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17:05<discord>having trouble with my gnome-terminal, described here:http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74211
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17:05<ompaul>ahh testing, the place where things break
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17:08<str3l0k>how do i save file with nano?
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17:10<rudi_s>str3l0k: "WriteOut"
17:10<ompaul>str3l0k: look at the bottom of the terminal ... CTRL O or CTRL X and then follow the other requests for information
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17:11<str3l0k>thx
17:11<str3l0k>i finally reach to set new resolutions manually so if you guys wanna know how i did that i can tell
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17:13<arminh>hello
17:14<discord>ompaul: testing didn't break my terminal
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17:14<ompaul>discord: you're running testing
17:14<ompaul>or SID
17:14<ompaul>but not stable
17:15<discord>ompaul: I was messing around with dircolors to get another shell working and it broke
17:15<discord>ompaul: are you using gnome 3.x?
17:15<discord>ompaul: can i get a copy of your ~/.dircolors file?
17:15<ompaul>no, kde
17:15<ompaul>on SID
17:16<str3l0k>i want to make it executable, dos format or mac format?
17:16<discord>either way I think I can still use a copy of your dircolors file
17:16<ompaul>str3l0k: eh that is not
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17:16<ompaul>discord: I don't use dircolors for gnome - I'm in the land of kde
17:17<str3l0k>the file is .xprofil so dos or mac?
17:17<ompaul>str3l0k: eh that is not the way you make things executable in linux land
17:17<discord>ompaul: dircolors is part of coreutils i believe
17:17<ompaul>discord: ah I'll poke for it
17:17<str3l0k>ompaul, xD
17:18<discord>ompaul: should be a hidden file in your home directory
17:18<discord>ompaul: thanks!
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17:19<ompaul>ls: cannot access .dirc*: No such file or directory
17:19<str3l0k>discord i just finished editing a new file i've created (.xprofile)and i want to make it executable (with nano) so what's the move?
17:20<ompaul>str3l0k: then you do chown 700 .xprofile
17:20<discord>you dont make it executable with nano. do it with chmod u+x
17:20<ompaul>str3l0k: why would you want that?
17:20<ompaul>doh I'm wrong
17:20<ompaul>str3l0k: don't do what I said
17:21<str3l0k>because i don't have xorg.conf
17:21<ompaul>str3l0k: you don't need one
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17:21<str3l0k>i do, for make new resolutions permanent
17:21<str3l0k>dude just tell me how to make it executable
17:22<discord>str3l0k: chmod u+x
17:22<discord>ompaul: did you have a .dircolors file in your home directory? can you pastebin it for me ?
17:23<str3l0k>gimme the full line!! chmodu+x .xprofile?
17:23<ompaul>discord: I don't
17:23<discord>ompaul: thanks
17:23<ompaul>str3l0k: dont be so demanding chmod u+x .xprofile
17:23<ompaul>discord: please see above I did an ls in ~
17:23<str3l0k>lol ok
17:24<ompaul>str3l0k: we don't get paid to do this :P
17:24*ompaul runs around clucking like a chicken for a minute
17:24<discord>str3l0k: looks like you need to read a little more
17:24<discord>str3l0k: check out running linux
17:25<CookAnEgg>Goodbye !
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17:31<str3l0k>guys how do you navigate in terminal
17:31<str3l0k>i know in dos it's like cd....... but what's the command in linux?
17:32<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html
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17:32<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: Would you be amazed and amused to learn that cd works in linux too?
17:32<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: Did you consider just trying it?
17:32<MrFrood>str3l0k: also cd in*nix
17:33<str3l0k>i did
17:33<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: You can also do dir
17:33<str3l0k>bash: cd: /ect/gdm/init: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
17:33<str3l0k>do i translate it?
17:33<jhutchins_wk>!localised errors
17:33<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
17:33<MrFrood>str3l0k: e.g. cd /usr/bin
17:34<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: cd - for previous directory.
17:34<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: cd or cd ~ for home.
17:34<discord>str3l0k: rtfm
17:34<str3l0k>oh!
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17:35<jhutchins_wk>str3l0k: The above guides are excellent info on how to get around the console.
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17:36<str3l0k>ahhhh i don't have to read all of that when i want only one command
17:37<str3l0k>dos ( cd..) = linux (cd)
17:37<str3l0k>dos (cd) = linux (?)
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17:37<str3l0k>xD
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17:37<ompaul>str3l0k: no it's not cd .. and cd . and cd /usr/bin so no
17:38<ompaul>str3l0k: sorry left out a comma, no it's not, cd .. and cd . and cd /usr/bin so no
17:38<ompaul>!volunteers
17:38<dpkg>Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help.
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17:39<ompaul>str3l0k: you have to read a little bit or what you do will be fragile and break
17:39<str3l0k>still, it doesn't work, it keeps saying, impossible to access etc/gdm/init : invalid file or folder
17:39<ompaul>you want what you want to be robust to do a job
17:39<ompaul>str3l0k: ever hear of root
17:40<str3l0k>heard, i've heard yeah but i don't know how to
17:40<ompaul>str3l0k: however you really don't have the skills to be root you will break the box and then expect us to fix something you did that was random
17:40<ompaul>please read some online basic linux CLI guide for your sake as much as for ours
17:40<str3l0k>well i'm here to learn
17:40<str3l0k>xD
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17:41<MrFrood>str3l0k: you mean /etc/gdm/init
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17:42<discord>anybody running gnome 3.X ? Can you check if you have a .dircolors file in your home directory?
17:42<str3l0k>yes MrFrood
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17:42<pbn>Hi I've put the latest Adobe Flash plugin in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so For most users about:plugins in iceweasel says it's 11.1 r102 but for my user about:plugins in iceweasel says Shockwave Flash 10.3 d162 ... any idea ?
17:43<str3l0k>how do i change from user to root?
17:43<str3l0k>ompaul!
17:43<melmothX>pbn: maybe your user has it in ~/.mozilla/plugins ?
17:43<pbn>melmothX: gonna check that, thank you
17:43<ompaul>str3l0k: go read a guide you need some knowledge
17:43<MrFrood>str3l0k: read man su
17:43<str3l0k>i won't
17:43<ompaul>str3l0k: then don't expect me to do anything for you
17:44<str3l0k>why don't u just fucking tell me, it's way faster isn't it?
17:44<ompaul>no in the long run it's slower
17:44<discord>cmon somebody must be running gnome 3.x in here, help a brother out
17:44<ompaul>discord: #debian-next is where testing people hang out
17:44<MrFrood>str3l0k: su -c 'command -flags'
17:45<pbn>melmothX: no, no plugins in .mozilla
17:45<ompaul>str3l0k: see he's totally right but you don't know what your at
17:45<pbn>ah wait
17:45<ompaul>at is another command but that's a whole other story
17:46<str3l0k>all i know is authentification failed
17:46<discord>ompaul: thanks
17:46<ompaul>discord: np
17:46<melmothX>pbn: then restart the browser. if that doesn't help, i've run out of answers
17:46<ompaul>str3l0k: stick that in a browser and see what it says
17:46<MrFrood>str3l0k: learning to use man pages is the fatest way in the long term
17:47<ompaul>str3l0k: we are not here for your personal education, if you turned up and said I was doing foo with bar and I can't seem to find grokable then maybe we'd have more interest
17:47<str3l0k>in a browser? really?
17:47<ompaul>str3l0k: if only there was a way to search the internet
17:47<pbn>melmothX: hmmm maybe I've found somtething
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17:48<MrFrood>str3l0k: with su tou need to enter the root password not the user password
17:49<str3l0k>omg i don't even remember what that was
17:49<str3l0k>the root password i mean
17:49<str3l0k>fuck me!!
17:50<ompaul>str3l0k: you set it - not good if you can't remember it
17:50<theocrite>1
17:50<ompaul>str3l0k: given your skill level you should get a live cd to work wit hit
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17:51<MrFrood>str3l0k: keep the language mildly family freindlt please
17:51<str3l0k>yep guess i'm reinstalling the whole system now
17:51<mc68040>str3l0k: boot grml and set it to a known one and then setup ssh pub key auth
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17:51<ompaul>mc68040: he doesn't know ssh from ps auwx
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17:53<ompaul>str3l0k: you're ever so slightly stuck. If you don't have a live cd, given your skill set I'd say reinstall, come back and tell us what you are trying to do from the off, btw you should have a consistent resolution size once you have X running it's kind of clever these days
17:54<ompaul>str3l0k: however be prepared to read stuff.
17:54<str3l0k>ompaul! read this
17:54<str3l0k>http://www.myokyawhtun.com/ubuntu-linux/how-to-change-custom-resolution-in-ubuntu-10.html
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17:55<ompaul>str3l0k: no, that is for ubuntu
17:55<str3l0k>and that's what i'am using
17:55<str3l0k>i don't use debian
17:55<ompaul>!ubuntuirc
17:55<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
17:55<ompaul>str3l0k: you are in the wrong place
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17:56<str3l0k>ok then bye bye
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17:59<pbn>problem solved, but it was tricky. In the user's profile there was a pluginreg.dat file that still contained information about Adobe Flash 10.3
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17:59<pbn>there a "weird" things in Iceweasel/Firefox ;)
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19:07<jeff1947>SNEY, as always, thanks for your suggestions. This time, instead of using the Rescatux that I?d gotten from the SuperGrubDisk.org the first time, I made a CD of super_grub2_disk_hybrid_1.99b1.iso. I tried a bunch of the items offered in the boot such as ?Detect any Operating System?, ?Any GRUB2 Configuration File (grub.cfg)?, ?Any GRUB2 Installation (even if mbr is overwritten)?. On several of them, a screen appeared that
19:07<jeff1947>was labeled at the top ?GNU GRUB version 1.99-12? and it gives just one choice of ?(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub/core.img?. After hitting enter, the next screen is labeled at the top: ?GNU GRUB version 1.98+20100804-14+Squeeze1?. There are two choices: ?Debian GNU/LINUX, with LINUX 2.6.32-5-686? and ?Debian GNU/LINUX, with LINUX 2.6.32-5-686 (recovery mode)?. Both ways, some things scrolled (as they would in a normal boot-
19:07<jeff1947>up) and then the screen shows the blue/green band at the top with five ?Debian?s printed within it. So, I?m no further along than without the super_grub2_disk_hybrid_1.99b1.iso. Any further suggestions? Hope you?re enjoying the holidays. Jeff
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19:47<nuba>hi there! is there any way to make sure nothing binds by default to 0.0.0.0 ? i'm using linux-vserver and dummy0 to have a private network between the host and the guests (contexts, in vserver parlance). running into problems with nginx trying to bind to 0.0.0.0:80 in the post-install script, when the host is already listening there.
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19:48<nuba>they're all debian squeeze, hosts and guests
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19:50<supaplex>I'm using jigdo-lite, and I still have 290 files missing. Should I be using the update iso instead?
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19:51<supaplex>my last mirror was http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian and it's for kfreebsd-amd64 - I'm still downloading amd64 in another terminal with 850 files to go.
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20:23<azmodeus>hey
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20:24<supaplex>moo
20:24<azmodeus>heee
20:25<supaplex>moo dangit! ;)
20:25<azmodeus>doh... i'm lostr
20:25<azmodeus>lost*
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20:26<supaplex>just messing around
20:27*supaplex 's watching http://cheezburger.com/View/30130945
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20:39<najwa>hello
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20:46<najwa>:-D
20:46<azmodeus>hello!
20:47<najwa>azmodeus: hello, can we ask something related python-apt here ?
20:47<cquinn>Is there anything approaching an official "EOL date" for Lenny yet?
20:48<azmodeus>najwa, I don't know... =) i'm a newcomer... (more or less...)
20:49<najwa>azmodeus: okey, good works :D
20:50<azmodeus>najwa, hope so! XD see ya!
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20:54<babilen>cquinn: February 2012
20:54<cquinn>babilen: Thanks.
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22:02<iiu7>A good binary poster for usenet, console based?
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22:22<najwa>hello
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22:34<najwa>hello
22:34<najwa>:D
22:35<Mad_>hi
22:38<najwa>Mad_: can we redirect console output from python output to the web browser output ?
22:39<Mad_>sure
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22:40<najwa>Mad_: how to do this ?? any clue ?
22:40<Mad_>ye
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22:42<najwa>Mad_: i just want to know
22:42<Mad_>lol
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22:43<Mad_>so you want console output from python directed to a web browser
22:43<Mad_>easy
22:43<Mad_>simple
22:43<najwa>yeah,
22:44<Mad_>have u googled?
22:44<Mad_>no?
22:45<najwa>Mad_: i have doing some simple web programming with python, but output show on console, not on browser
22:46<Mad_>simple web programming like what?
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22:53<jeff1947>SNEY, are you up and about?
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23:04<iiu7>What can I use to create RAR archives without going into non-free?
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23:47<sney>jeff1947: not really but I'm not the only person who can help you. You are trying to install debian on a pentium 2 system and you have a bootloader problem. this is pretty common and any of the volunteers here can help you sort it out
23:47<joeoshawa>i am using xfce and i just lost my background on screen 1 i still have it on screen two but not screen one
23:48<joeoshawa>no icons either
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