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00:58<bis0n>I'm searching to wget all directories "tst" on an entire tree... I'm using "wget -r -l 5 -I tst" ok for "" but not for "" how can I do that?
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01:09<dondelelcaro>bis0n: man wget; read about --exclude-directories
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01:10<bis0n>dondelelcaro, but I want include more directories... why exclude?
01:11<dondelelcaro>bis0n: if you're doing a recursive wget, it'll include all directories by default
01:11<bis0n>-I tst
01:11<dondelelcaro>bis0n: so then -I tst -X directoryX/tst
01:11<bis0n>I'm using for include only tst and, somewhere, that is my problem
01:12<bis0n>donald, ok ok but directoryX can have any name
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01:13<bis0n>I want take all dirs "tst" on "/domaincom/dir/" no exclude any "tst"!
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01:14<dondelelcaro>bis0n: you're not being particularly clear.
01:16<bis0n>sorry, I'm french, so...
01:17<dondelelcaro>if you want the contents of all tst directories everywhere in the tree, then someting like -I '*/tst/' or similar should probably work
01:17<bis0n>no... wget says "no * directory"
01:17<bis0n>no interpret *
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01:19<bis0n>that is my proble, man of wget not say anything about regex...
01:20<bis0n>mmmh One thing, can I save all directory tree (without any files) on an txt or other files with wget???
01:22<dondelelcaro>bis0n: it doesn't do regexes; it does wildcards, but it has to be able to download a file which contains links to those directories in order to proceed
01:23<dondelelcaro>bis0n: frankly, this sort of thing is probably better off done using rsync
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01:34<Peter2345>Hoping anyone can give me an idea why i can't ping local interfaces on a server to each other example ping -c 2 -i eth1 ip address is eth0
01:34<Peter2345>internal network computers can ping though any interface.
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01:48<heikkila>Peter2345, that's one messy sentence
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01:50<Peter2345>did you understand it though ?
01:50<kop>Peter2345: Is the box routing?
01:51<Peter2345>local nics can't route each other though
01:52<kop>Peter2345: Then probably because the network stack is not routing outbound packets inward, although it's also possible that there's firewall issues as well.
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01:54<Peter2345>i am banking on firewall issues just don't know what to put into iptables as far as input forward etc where would this go for local nics
01:55<Peter2345>i am getting inward routing from internal computers just fine.
01:55<kop>Peter2345: FWIW I prefer ferm to using iptables. Much more sane.
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01:59<reklipz>I'm looking for help setting up a recording device in Debian Squeeze, with ALSA.
01:59<kop>Peter2345: The ping may be going out the interface onto the wire, and nothing's bouncing it back. Once a datagram's in the "out" queue there's no real reason to check it for routing. It'd all depend on impliementation.
02:00<Peter2345>will have to look into that some day looks cool. Will have to be another day when i have time to learn that style of firewall programming.
02:00<kop>reklipz: The debtags package may be helpful.
02:01<kop>Peter2345: I prefer OpenBSD's pf, but that's not available so ferm is ok. You don't really get away from iptables, especially when it comes to debugging, but it's easier to write good rules.
02:02<Peter2345>Ok cool thanks for the info on that.
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02:02<reklipz>kop: Curious, how might that be helpful? Unless I've found the wrong thing, debtags allows me to find packages in an easier manner.
02:03<kop>reklipz: You can find the packages you need.
02:03<reklipz>kop: okay, cool.
02:03<reklipz>I've found a wiki entry online that might help; I'll try that first.
02:04<kop>reklipz: Are you a debian user?
02:04<reklipz>kop: Yep.
02:04<reklipz>I just don't think I need another package to set this up is all; alsamixer should be suitable, but I'm having trouble understanding what it's telling me.
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02:58<gnuboy>Hello guys, I want a list of packages which installed with debootstrap.
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03:01<ham5>mabey logs?
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03:04<ham5>apt-cache depends debootstrap perhaps
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03:11<heikkila>It only depends on wget
03:14<heikkila>gnuboy, perhaps you can try "--download-only Download packages, but don't perform installation." and investigate which packages it downloads?
03:15<ham5>if you go that route just choose N when it asks if your sure ;\
03:18<ompaul>ham5: incorrect -d will download the packages but not install which is the shorthand for heikkila's comment
03:19<ompaul>apt-get -d upgrade
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03:21<ham5>but if it installs anything else wont it ask to confirm.. at witch point you say N and no bandwith wasted..
03:23<heikkila>It won't install anything, but yes it could waste bandwidth by just downloading packages :/
03:24<ompaul>waste ... is it really that scarce?
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03:25<heikkila>For ham5 it might be ;(
03:26<ham5>stick it to debian who cares right
03:26<gnuboy>heikkila: thanks, I want to know which package will be installed with a debootstrap installation
03:26<ompaul>eh no, stick it to your provider
03:27<ompaul>not debian's fault - download the dvds or have someone do it for ya and get your updated on the internet
03:27<ham5>my provider dosent host the files debian does
03:27<heikkila>gnuboy, I hope it helps or you find a better suggestion :)
03:28<ham5>apt-cache depends ought to be enought
03:30<heikkila>ham5, "apt-cache depends debootstrap" will only list dependencies for the debootstrap program itself, not what packages the debootstrap will download and install.
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04:00<babilen>gnuboy: Bootstrapped already?
04:00<gnuboy>babilen: nope :D I don't know how! I'm still trying
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04:03<gnuboy>babilen: do yo know any guide for dummies!
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04:06<babilen>gnuboy: It's not that hard, but if it were bootstrapped already you could have chroot'ed into the system and list installed packages easily. IIRC (really not sure, intuition here) it installs packages of essential, important and (?) required priority.
04:06<babilen>!tell gnuboy about debootstrap
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04:06<babilen>gnuboy: The installation guide covers debootstrap
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04:08<gnuboy>babilen: nice, clears my mind at least, but I'm still wondering what to do :D
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04:09<gnuboy>sometimes I switch to my dummy person, this is it's time, and unfortunately I must do it now
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04:10<babilen>gnuboy: It essentially boils down to creating a filesystem of your choice somewhere, mounting it somewhere and running "/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch ARCH squeeze /mnt/debinst" where ARCH is the architecture you want to install.
04:10<babilen>gnuboy: Have you read already?
04:11<ham5>i think it just boils down to weather he wants bottle or spoon fed
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04:11<babilen>gnuboy: After you've bootstrapped the system you have to configure a couple of things (package management, networking, mounting partitions, ...) in the chroot.
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04:12<babilen>gnuboy: It is certainly easier to install Debian with the debian-installer. Why do you want/need to bootstrap one?
04:13<gnuboy>babilen: I know, that's what my boss asked from me!
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04:14<gnuboy>babilen: I'm reading that page, wish me luck! thanks for information
04:14<babilen>gnuboy: Ok, then have fun with it. Is this meant as an exercise or is there a real need for bootstrapping. What are you trying to achieve by that?
04:18<gnuboy>babilen: I'm a document writer, I have to do whatever they need. sometimes I must do things I never tried before
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04:20<gnuboy>babilen: I must bootstrap debian and collect installed packages. something like that I think!
04:24<heikkila>Debian packages, gotta collect 'em all!
04:24<ham5>do you speak it
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05:00<gnuboy>heikkila: a minimal bootstrap installation
05:00<gnuboy>you know what I mean
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06:06<txt_file>what is the preferred virtual machine software for servers?
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06:09<txt_file>what is the preferred virtual machine software for server virtualization?
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06:12<daemonkeeper>HTTP 300 - Multiple choices
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06:16<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
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06:19<txt_file>i already red the list at . I want some opinions if xen or Virtualbox or something else is a good choice.
06:20<daemonkeeper>Virtualbox is a poor product for server virtualization. YMMV
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06:23<gnuboy>I've done it :) thanks to eveyone
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06:24<Guest22284>what happens if xubuntu does not recognise the wireless device
06:24<daemonkeeper>Ask Ubuntu folks.
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06:38<hoshi411>im running stable right now but ... where can I get the newest version of gnome 2?
06:38<hoshi411>is gnome 2 in testing?
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06:38<daemonkeeper>It isn't anymore.
06:38<hoshi411>what do you mean?
06:38<daemonkeeper>Testing has Gnome 3 now.
06:39<hoshi411>so where is the latest version of gnome2?
06:39<daemonkeeper>There is none :>
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06:39<hoshi411>how do I install it then/
06:39<daemonkeeper>Gnome 2 development is stopped, afaict. There are some forks which try to continue the Gnome 2 branch (Mate and such)
06:39<hoshi411>why is something that is called "stable" only running gnome1?
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06:40<daemonkeeper>Debian Stable has Gnome 2.
06:40<hoshi411>do you mean gnome-core 2?
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06:41<daemonkeeper>I mean the major version. In particular it is Gnome 2.30 or something like that.
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06:41<hoshi411>synaptic shows me running 1:2.30+7
06:41<hoshi411>does that mean gnome 2.3 ?
06:41<daemonkeeper>2.30, yes.
06:41<hoshi411>and that is the latest version of gnome 2 right>
06:41<hoshi411>i thought gnome 2 was developed up to 2.6?
06:42<daemonkeeper>No, the latest 2 version was 2.32 I think.
06:42<hoshi411>ah I see
06:42<daemonkeeper>Everything thereafter was 3.x
06:42<hoshi411>daemon: do you use 3 with mate?
06:42<daemonkeeper>I'm using KDE :p
06:43<hoshi411>yea ... i've been using that a bit too
06:43<hoshi411>i don't know what to do from here now
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06:43<hoshi411>my computer might be a little slow for gnome 3
06:44<hoshi411>or kde
06:44<hoshi411>but gnome 2 was great
06:44<hoshi411>but i want to run some testing versions of various things and that causes me to upgrade gnome all the time
06:44<hoshi411>really confusing
06:44<daemonkeeper>You're on Squeeze?
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06:45<daemonkeeper>You won't get Gnome 3 in Squeeze.
06:45<hoshi411>ive got package pinning set up though
06:45<hoshi411>so i am running stable
06:45<daemonkeeper>That's what Squeeze currently is.
06:45<hoshi411>and then there are a couple packages that i used to like to run in testing
06:45<gnuboy>maybe use backport?
06:46<hoshi411>i install it like apt-get install gimp/testing or xchat/stable
06:46<hoshi411>so most things are stable
06:46<daemonkeeper>Oh well, that might pull half of a Wheezy to your desktop.
06:46<daemonkeeper>judd: versions xchat
06:46<judd>Package: xchat on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-3; sid: 2.8.8-3.1+b1; wheezy: 2.8.8-3.1+b1
06:47<daemonkeeper>judd: versions gimp
06:47<judd>Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1; wheezy: 2.6.11-7; sid: 2.6.11-8
06:47<daemonkeeper>It is probably not worth the effort. You get pretty much the same stuff.
06:47<hoshi411>hmm. might be safer to just run xfce
06:48<hoshi411>does compiz work with xfce... i cant remember
06:49<daemonkeeper>compiz works with every x11 compliant window manager. I'd be more than surprised if that wouldn't include the xfce wm
06:49<hoshi411>another pet peeve I have is when using pinning and apt i have to manually type out all the dependent packages to install something where synaptic package manager always just installs the dependencies for me
06:50<hoshi411>like if I type apt-get install gimp/stable
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06:50<hoshi411>then it says "depends on lib@#$%$%"
06:50<daemonkeeper>Use -t
06:50<hoshi411>and then i have to type apt-get install gimp/stable lib@#$/stable
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06:50<hoshi411>thanks daemon
06:50<daemonkeeper>That said: This will break your system.
06:50<hoshi411>ill try that
06:50<daemonkeeper>Sooner or later.
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06:51<hoshi411>i don't remember everything being so difficult
06:51<daemonkeeper>otoh it is just the same as pulling dependencies manually.
06:51<hoshi411>thanks to everyone for your advice
06:51<daemonkeeper>Well, mixing distributions is not supported at all.
06:52<hoshi411>but its the same distro just mixing stable and testing basically
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06:52<hoshi411>pure debian though
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06:52<hoshi411>that is what works on ppc the best right now
06:52<hoshi411>but really thank you. i was really getting confused
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06:53<hoshi411>which package installs "mate " ?
06:53<daemonkeeper>It is not in Debian (yet?).
06:53<hoshi411>ahh i see
06:53<daemonkeeper>You can just stick with Gnome 2 on your stable desktop.
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06:54<hoshi411>task-xfce-desktop will get me xfce right?
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06:55<daemonkeeper>ehrm, for Wheezy.
06:56<daemonkeeper>Just install xfce4
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07:01<hoshi411>apt-get install -t xfce4/stable
07:01<hoshi411>like this?
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07:01<daemonkeeper>apt-get install -t stable xfce4
07:01<daemonkeeper>But that's the default unless you have some weird priorities
07:02<hoshi411>awesome thanks
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07:10<hoshi411>xfce is working pretty good
07:10<hoshi411>that -t flag has helped so much already
07:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 453] by debhelper
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07:29<hoshi411>things are kind of a mess in the package repo
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07:29<hoshi411>how come the package "acroread-fonts-jpn" is there
07:30<hoshi411>but depends on acroread
07:30<hoshi411>which is not installable
07:30<hoshi411>that's just a useless package sitting there with an impossible dependency
07:30<hoshi411>seems like i run into that a lot lately
07:31<daemonkeeper>Don't blame Debian for your mess. I bet you have enabled Debian Multimedia.
07:31<hoshi411>yes i have
07:31<hoshi411>is that it?
07:31<daemonkeeper>And that's /not/ Debian.
07:31<hoshi411>but why do they have a package there that no one can install
07:31<hoshi411>ah i didnt know
07:31<hoshi411>I thought they were
07:32<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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07:32<hoshi411>they are just a little sloppy then huh?
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07:47<Zaba>hoshi411, acroread is a package in non-free
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07:47<daemonkeeper>Zaba: Non-free in DMM. It is not in Debian at all.
07:47<Zaba>well, yes
07:49<hoshi411>Zaba: i have non-free enabled even for multimedia and acroread is not there
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07:51<hoshi411>daemon i see. its in unstable it looks like
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07:52<hoshi411>hmmm. i guess it's not available for ppc yet then
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08:13<TCW>hoshi411, I guess acroread will never be available for ppc
08:15<TCW>and happy new year to those folks in Samoa, New Zealand and Australia :)
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09:13<hoshi411>when I do an apt-cache search how can i search only package names
09:14<hoshi411>instead of it searching all package info
09:15<ham5>how about aptitude search
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09:22<hoshi411>ham5 thanks I'll try that
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09:54<robert97330>hey I installed Squeeze and am once again Debian, whoot!
09:54<robert97330>so then I installed Java 6 but `java -version` says I'm still on older, anyone help?
09:55<robert97330>thx heikkila it's good stuff!
09:56<MrFrood>robert97330: the java situation with Linux has recently got complecated due to Oracle changing the license - you may want to do some reading up
09:56<robert97330>OIC... thanks MrFrood... happy to read, just need a url
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09:58<robert97330>daaamn look at aptitude it's SO pretty
09:59<heikkila>robert97330, do you mean openjdk-6-jre ?
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10:00<robert97330>I think so heikkila... I ran out of time yesterday, how can I check exactly what java 6 package I installed? history of `apt install`.... ?
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10:00<robert97330>like an idiot I was working from the wintendo machine... I wonder if PuTTY is still running?
10:00*robert97330 was a decent sysadmin 5 years ago, ha
10:01<MrFrood>robert97330: the default java is set using the debian alternatives system so you may also want check those settings
10:01<robert97330>sun-java6-jre was the one
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10:02<robert97330>mrfrood: sounds right to me, I never grokked debian alternatives
10:02<MrFrood>robert97330: the alternatives system is still probably pointing to the open version
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10:03<robert97330>heikkila shoots and scores! THANKS
10:03<robert97330>I think so too mrfrood
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10:04<MrFrood>robert97330: you should have a message from the bot in another buffer
10:05<robert97330>I see it... LOL that is FRICKIN AWESOME
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10:05<ham5>omg kill it
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10:05<heikkila>robert97330, maybe you should cut down on the caffeine pills :)
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10:06<robert97330>heehee or have another cup!
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10:06<robert97330>I'm just so stoked to be enjoying free again, it's been a long time... OS X so pretty
10:07<robert97330>`update-alternatives --config java` FTW, score one for dpkg, thanks mrfrood
10:08<robert97330>how the hell is Minecraft Server not a debian package LOL
10:09<OpenTokix>robert97330: maybe because it's non-free
10:09<OpenTokix>robert97330: and also just a single jar-file
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10:13<robert97330>opentokix: I think you are right... I just want a rock-solid start/stop script, you know?
10:14<OpenTokix>robert97330: I run it in screen, it's pretty verbose and not so stable
10:14<robert97330>my man made one from scratch, muffed it... well that's what I mean, I want it to be stable
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10:15<OpenTokix>robert97330: well, a init-script wont make the server more stable
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10:17<robert97330>OIC your point... man, I need to learn more `screen` just picked it up recently, seems powerful
10:18<robert97330>oops my kid is awake and wondering where his world is :)
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10:31<c-101>Hi there
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10:35<robert97330>wut up c-101
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10:37<OpenTokix>We try to keep the generic chit chat to a minimum in the channel
10:37<robert97330>kk... and I got the help so I'm gonna go, thanks again everybody!
10:37<c-101>Oh... sorry, didn't knew
10:37<eightyeight>there's a problem with saying hello to each other?
10:38<OpenTokix>With 438 people in the channel, it could be.
10:38<eightyeight>that's unfortunate
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10:45<robert97330>man, I need some tuning help... we installed Linux on the WIntendo machine and I need to tweak the graphics card support
10:45<robert97330>on the fresh server I've been speaking of, Minecraft says "can't keep up" over and over
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10:45<robert97330>(so tuning Java)... anyone got a clue for me?
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10:46<pandergo>jvm ???
10:47<robert97330>`java -version` reports 1.6.0_26
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10:50<sney>robert97330: is that the openjdk jvm or the sun one?
10:50<robert97330>sney, the sun one
10:51<pandergo>heap space
10:52<pandergo>I recommend as reported iReport
10:52<robert97330>pandergo, right on and thanks, will read it later... we're gonna go play on slow server for awhile
10:53<robert97330>LOL or maybe I'll install iReport looks cool :)
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10:56<warmen>can someone help me?, im testing debian-gnome in virtualbox, and im unable to set higher resolution than 800x600
10:56<warmen>thx for reply
10:57<eightyeight>warmen: you likely need to install the virtualbox guest additions
10:57<jordanm>warmen: you need install guest additions for the vbox X driver
10:57<warmen>and im unable to install guest aditions
10:58<jordanm>warmen: apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions
10:58<jordanm>warmen: why is that>?
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10:58<warmen>im windows user, so im totally new in linux
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11:03<warmen>in terminal , when i type in apt-get install virtualbox-guest-aditions
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11:04<warmen>it says unable to find package virtualbox-guest-aditions
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11:04<warmen>and anyway i cant find in there any file containing letter guest aditions
11:04<sney>2 ds
11:05<warmen>ive got there
11:06<sney>no you have to do apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions
11:06<sney>you just spelled it wrong. try again.
11:06<warmen>youre right
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11:07<warmen>it loads some files
11:08<haylo_>i use virtualbox for windows but run linux makes for a very useful and stable system
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11:08<warmen>ii guess
11:08<warmen>it looks reliable
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11:09<warmen>and it is more fool proof than i thought >D
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11:11<haylo_>lol yeah i wouldnt be here if linux wasnt user friendly- in the end there is less to learn then with the "legacy" OS
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11:13<warmen>do i need to restart system?
11:13<warmen>after those additions?
11:13<haylo_>nah but if you restart from time to time your system might be more stable
11:14<haylo_>kernel and driver upgrades require restart but not programs usually
11:14<warmen>so what should i look for to change that resolution
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11:16<haylo_>change screen res in debian linux?
11:16<eightyeight>warmen: after they are installed, reboot, and maximize your window. should adjust automatically
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11:18<warmen>and thx alot guys
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11:20<awesomelinuxdistros>hello everyone
11:21<awesomelinuxdistros>got a question related to ciphers :-S
11:22<eightyeight>then ask your question
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11:22<warmen>im back
11:22<awesomelinuxdistros>welcome back warmen
11:23<warmen>and still unknown display
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11:28<warmen>is there someone familiar with gnome, and is willing to help me over vnc?
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11:37<warmen>is there someone familiar with gnome, and is willing to help me over vnc?
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11:46<mercutio22>Weird I can't access gmail anymore. My firewall is blocking something from a google ip:
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11:48<warmen>is there someone familiar with gnome, and is willing to help me over vnc? Im having dificulties with screen resolution
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11:50<heikkila>warmen, in a native installation or is it in a virtual machine?
11:52<warmen>and additions are installed, at least it looked like
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11:58<heikkila>warmen, what version of Virtualbox?
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12:04<heikkila>warmen, in Debian squeeze the virtualbox-guest-additions is version 3.2.10, I suspect you need to have Virtualbox 3.2.10 as a host or download a newer guest-additions (probably from Oracle). See for the later alternative:
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12:06<joed>can anyone help me with configuring synergy?
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12:12<warmen>ive downloaded guest aditions 4.1.8
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12:22<iiu7>I wanted to upgrade the nvidia driver to the one from testing. At glibc I had to choose "no" to continue the upgrade because I couldn't shut down kdm just then.
12:23<iiu7>Now, when I try to continue the upgrade without x running, I get "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages"
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12:23<iiu7>How do I solve that?
12:23<iiu7>apt-get -f install doesn't help
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12:28<jordanm>iiu7: if you installed core packages that depend on a new libc, but didn't allow that libc to configure, your best bet is to restore from backup
12:28<jordanm>iiu7: you should never mix releases
12:29<iiu7>Normally I wouldn't, but there wasn't a problem until after I had to stop the upgrade.
12:29<iiu7>It was a choice that apt presented. It should be able to continue.
12:31<jordanm>iiu7: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6; apt-get install -f"
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12:37<jordanm>iiu7: well, your system is pretty broken. remove the testing sources and try downgrading libc6-bin. dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc-bin_2.11.2-10_i386.deb
12:38<jordanm>iiu7: you may be forced to fully upgrade to testing
12:38<jordanm>(which also may be difficult in your systems broken state)
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12:42<iiu7>jordanm, thanks, that fixed it
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12:43<abrotman>FSVO "fixed" :)
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12:56<FatCat>Which repository should one use to keep Google Chrome unstable X86_64 up 2 date with apt?
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13:18<crimelord>does anyone ever talk here?
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13:22<daemonkeeper>too late.
13:22<heikkila>damnit, I was really looking forward talking to him
13:23<eightyeight>he lasted 1 minute. standard irc patience
13:23<simonlnu>irc newbie
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13:26<heikkila>FatCat, I'm not sure there is a Debian repo for Google chrome, maybe one could use Debian backports to get a newer Chromium though?
13:29<eightyeight>heikkila: if you install the google chrome browser from the google page, it sets up the repository for you, based on the branch (dev, beta, stable) that you installed
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13:30<heikkila>Smooth, but I'd rather have the Chromium version
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13:35<yoshio>I have iceweasel 9, and re-installed flashplugin-nonfree on squeeze, it seems to indicate I have the latest version 11,1,102,55, and then re-started the browser. about:plugins doesn't see the flash plugin. what could be wrong?
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13:43<iiu7>Is it not possible to get nvidia from backports?
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13:49<jordanm>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
13:49<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1
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13:51<jordanm>that is an interesting version number... 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1
13:56<simonlnu>there's a few packages like that. upload the wrong version by mistake, rename it so it comes out like that, and sorts properly. ugly as hell though :/.
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13:58<matoc>Does any one know what's happening with I haven't been able to access it in the past few days.
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14:08<simonlnu>matoc: no idea, but nothing's on 80 listening
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14:13<matoc>simonlnu: I wonder if there's a webmaster we could contact.
14:14<simonlnu>the admin or tech contact for the domain, or a more generic www-admin@domain or webmaster@domain or such
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14:16<matoc>There's no MX record or active server for that domain...
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14:18<sumit>any 1 is here
14:18<egwk>sumit: ask away.
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14:19<simonlnu>weird. should be one
14:20<simonlnu>actually there is but for no www.
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14:20<simonlnu>i used dig
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14:27<matoc>simonlnu: good point :P
14:28<matoc>simonlnu: looks like Steve Kemp admins the domain.
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14:29<matoc>maybe I'll send him an email.
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14:48<jiehuh1990>наши есть?
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14:53<hoshi411>i can usually get my wireless card working after installing the broadcome b43 firmware for my wireless card but for some reason it's not working this time
14:53<hoshi411>iwconfig says "no wireless extensions"
14:53<hoshi411>and the usual "wlan0" doesn't come up
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14:53<hoshi411>im on squeeze right now
14:54<jiehuh1990>nice system
14:54<hoshi411>wicd isn't working either
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14:54<hoshi411>this is an old ppc laptop so it doesnt have a wireless on off switch
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14:55<hoshi411>the system profiler lists my wireless card ad broadcom so ... it is being recognized
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15:04<cikey1>heikkila hablas español
15:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:06<cikey1>Mi name is Cikey1
15:06<shafik>My name is shafik
15:06<shafik>Happhy new year
15:06<shafik>happy new year
15:07<cikey1>¿Como estan?
15:07<heikkila>And you are obvious trolls?
15:07<cikey1>How are you?
15:07<shafik>I am gud.. How abt u..
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15:08<cikey1>I can repeat
15:08<cikey1>I can repeat
15:08<cikey1>I can repeat
15:08<cikey1>I can repeat
15:08<cikey1>I can repeat
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15:09<freezer>how to get xorg-intel (HD2000) vsync working @ unstable?
15:09<freezer>got issues with VLC
15:09<freezer>works fine with nvidia
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15:15<matoc>is there an IRC channel dedicate to debian servers? or is this channel it?
15:16<heikkila>matoc, this is dedicated to support, so if you have some kind of problem ask away
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15:18<matoc>I have nothing specific at the moment. Just wanted to know where to go when the time came.
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15:19<hoshi411>is there a flag or option with apt-get upgrade to make sure I stay at stable? something like apt-get upgrade/stable?
15:19<hoshi411>or apt-get upgrade stable
15:20<hoshi411>im using package pinning to I have the repos for testing and unstable and oldstable uncommented out
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15:20<hoshi411>so it would be really convenient to not have to go back and comment everything every time I wanna upgrade stable files
15:21<matoc>I was having a hard time finding anything server specific for Debian. But I'm realizing now that the Debian community doesn't really treat desktop and server setups separately. Quite a different mentality than what I'm used to with Ubuntu.
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15:25<matoc>For those interested, is apparently down due to hardware failure on the server and will be attended to Sunday/Monday.
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15:30<haled>I have this usb portable hdd that's not working too well. I want to try and dd the stuff out of it slowly or something (a simple copy is not working allthough I can see the contents) what's the best way to do this?
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15:44<ratnick>hi all. Have successfully installed Firefox 9.0.1
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15:50<ratnick>Anyone know what this means: While installing sim, error:
15:50<ratnick> Module snd_seq_oss not found.
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15:51<devil>it means what it says
15:52<ratnick>That doesn't mean I can understand it. Why ask?
15:52<devil>a module needed for sound cant be found
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15:53<ratnick>ok. I have ALSA and OSS runtimes
15:54<devil>no idea, dont know sim, its not even in debian
15:54<ratnick>how to find needed module in packages
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15:55<ratnick>SIM is a KDE IM client that runs on Debian6 under Gnome
15:55<devil>ratnick: the package is not in debian, so apt-file will not find it
15:55<ratnick>SIM is in the repository
15:55<devil>not in sid or testing
15:56<devil>no idea about stable
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15:56<ratnick>looking for the URL
15:57<devil>yeah,its in squeeze
15:57<devil>so try apt-file search snd_seq_oss
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16:00<chocolat888>Tous mes voeux pour cette nouvelle année o/
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16:01<chocolat888>Tous mes voeux pour cette nouvelle année o/
16:01<ratnick>apt-file: command not found
16:02<devil>ratnick: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search snd_seq_oss
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16:02<ratnick>gets better?
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16:02<ratnick>more typing ugh
16:03<Black_Prince>snd_seq_oss isn't compiled in Debian kernels
16:03<devil>someone invented c&p
16:03<Black_Prince>That is a warning that oss-compat package postinst script issues
16:03<Black_Prince>You can just ignore that. snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss are only ones that matter.
16:03<ratnick>it's running
16:04<ratnick>I thought as much. I'll just ignore it. Thnx
16:05<Black_Prince>But still, I'd rather use oss wrapper than the oss device nodes.
16:05<Black_Prince>No safer
16:06<Black_Prince>Just sometimes when alsa is using soundcard, you'll get access denied to /dev/dsp for writing or so
16:06<ratnick>tangled ball of yarn these systems
16:06*devil has not touched oss in years
16:06<ratnick>sound is sound to me
16:07<ratnick>oss is older
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16:07<ratnick>something akin to vestigal remnants
16:08<Black_Prince>devil: MrFrood can tell you about oss.
16:08<devil>Black_Prince: i guess so :)
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16:20<hoshi411>anyone know how to do something like this :
16:20<hoshi411>apt-get upgrade stable
16:21<hoshi411>without having to comment out all my testing and unstable lines
16:21<jordanm>hoshi411: you shouldn't mix releases
16:21<hoshi411>jordanm im using package pinning
16:21<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
16:22<hoshi411>right :9
16:22<hoshi411>its working nicely
16:22<hoshi411>just dont want to have to go in and comment out the lines
16:22<hoshi411>there's gotta be a way to use apt-get upgrade with users who use package pinning right?
16:23<jordanm>if you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it toasts your system from a stable/testing/unstable mix, that is not "nicely"
16:23<hoshi411>jordanm right on
16:23<hoshi411>that is exactly why im looking for something like apt-get upgrade "stable"
16:23<hoshi411>so that I can keep the upgrades at stable
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16:25<jordanm>hoshi411: you can fix your pinning, but again, its not recommended for stable users and will likely result in a broken system
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16:26<jordanm>hoshi411: it will work up until the point you install/upgrade a package for testing/unstable that requires an upgrade of a core package
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16:27<hoshi411>jordanm so you are saying that "apt-get upgrade stable" will actually do what I am hoping ?
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16:27<hoshi411>and just upgrade all my stable packages to the highest stable release?
16:27<jordanm>hoshi411: no, I am saying "apt-get upgrade" will do what you want with proper pinning, but is very fragile and very likely to break your system at some point
16:28<hoshi411>hmm. ok
16:28<Spike_DE>hi there
16:29<jordanm>hoshi411: what are you getting from testing/unstable that is not in backports?
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16:30<hoshi411>jordanm: not much. I only use that when i run into trouble. i try to keep everything in stable and then when there's something I want from testing I dip in and then forget what I dipped into
16:30<hoshi411>so I would not remember :p
16:32<Spike_DE>i have a question regarding apt (using debian stable)... i´ve installed libreoffice and would like to uninstall openoffice. when i use "apt-get remove..." to remove openoffice, apt automaticly installs abiword, gnumeric and tons of libs... where comes that auto-install from and how can i modify/control that behaviour?
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16:33<jhutchins_lt>hoshi411: You're abusing the system in a way it was not meant to be abused. Please don't expect that the developers are going to support you doing things that are explicitly not recommended.
16:33<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help.
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16:34<hoshi411>jhutchins_lt why would app pinning be available if it weren't meant to be used?
16:35<jhutchins_lt>hoshi411: It is a holdover from older systems and sometimes used in development when running testing/unstable. It is not intended for working systems under the current releases.
16:37<hoshi411>i dont think this channel is for arguing about practice though
16:40<jordanm>hoshi411: what you probably want is testing and unstable pinned to -1. but again, see our reasons why you shouldn't do this
16:41<hoshi411>all i was wondering was if there was a flag or option with apt-get upgrade so that it would not upgrade beyond stable and not upgrade anything from testing
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16:42<jordanm>hoshi411: no, you need to fix your pinning
16:42<hoshi411>but I ended up doing it the old fashoned way
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16:42<hoshi411>commented out my testing and unstable repos and did apt-get upgrade
16:42<hoshi411>then commented them back in again
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16:42<jordanm>why comment them back in?
16:43<jordanm>!tell hoshi411 about backports
16:43<hoshi411>i thought there would be a way since I can do apt-get install stable <package name>
16:43<hoshi411>so then apt-get stable upgrade .... i would think would work
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16:43<hoshi411>but it doesn't so .... no problem
16:43<Black_Prince>-t stable ... that is
16:43<hoshi411>right -t stable
16:44<hoshi411>wow it does work
16:44<hoshi411>apt-get upgrade -t stable
16:44<hoshi411>oh nice
16:45<hoshi411>oh so nice
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17:23<Samkov>I have just noticed that my passwords in gnome-keyring can be totally viewed, the passwords are plaintext but i would think at least i would be prompted for a password when entering gnome-keyring
17:23<Samkov>is this normal? i have just noticed it
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17:33<Black_Prince>keyring will ask for pwd to unlock it
17:33<Black_Prince>or rather, it should ask
17:33<Samkov>mine does not :/
17:33<Samkov>i thought that was very very odd
17:33<Black_Prince>But I think pam gnome keyring module unlocks it automaticaly with session start
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17:34<Samkov>pam gnome keyring?
17:34<Black_Prince>libpam-gnome-keyring package
17:34<Black_Prince>That one unlocks keyring automaticaly
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17:35<Samkov>well in the description it says it unlocks the keyrings with your user login password
17:35<Samkov>wouldnt using the root pass be more secure?
17:36<Samkov>i mean say i am away, and someone gets access to my desktop, or even laptop, if i am logged in those passwords are right in the open for all to see
17:36<Black_Prince>Setup locking, then
17:36<Black_Prince>With screensaver package or so
17:37<Samkov>well by default i do have that enabled, but i am just saying, it leaves plaintext keys open
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17:42<haylo_>keyring holds password and username for other services like ssh if im not mistaken- hence its apparent uselessness
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17:57<warmen>and Happy new year
17:58<warmen>and lots of luck
17:59<warmen>and joy from linux
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17:59<ham5>stfu already
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18:05<ratnick>what makes the cursor go flying across the screen?
18:07<ham5>the mouse
18:08<ratnick>i guessed so. Old optical ps2
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18:09<ratnick>Ican reset the mouse in the BIOS from auto detect to ps2
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18:23*nevyn does that sort of thing all the time
18:24<nevyn>a friend broke a production system by naming a empty file \0
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18:27<EagleScreen>happy new year
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18:30<linkcislinux>Anyone know the command equvilant to when you install the Foreign language fonts from the Windows XP CD. For debian?
18:30<ham5>locales ?
18:31<linkcislinux>I think thats them, I just remember it was like Region and something and then you check both the foreign languages and it says insert cd
18:31<EagleScreen>Ferign language fonts? I have never seen that thing on Windows
18:31<nevyn>linkcislinux: what language?
18:32<nevyn>linkcislinux: apt-cache search font should show you all the font packages.
18:32<linkcislinux>In XP its under Regional and Language Options. It says Supplmental Language Support.
18:32<linkcislinux>nevyn: is there a way to install ALL of them?
18:32<nevyn>apt-get install font-*
18:33<EagleScreen>do you want to install a new language for the OS?
18:33<linkcislinux>EagleScreen: No a few games I play instead of seeing the actual like special letters. I see squares or *. Same thing happened on Windows XP, but installing the extra language thing fixed it in Windows Xp.
18:33<nevyn>linkcislinux: ttf-* even
18:33<linkcislinux>nevyn: both come back with conflicts and depends
18:34<nevyn>linkcislinux: just select them all in aptitude and sortout the conflicts.
18:34<nevyn>there will be depends
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18:44<linkcislinux>Okay is there a way to do sudo apt-get install where it will bypass the ttf ones that are in conflict?
18:44<pic>anyone here know anything about the dreamplug?
18:45<nevyn>it's an arm?
18:45<nevyn>linkcislinux: no.
18:45<nevyn>pic: that's what I know about it ;)
18:45<pic>fair nuff
18:46<pic>well it's less of an arm than a brick in my case atm
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18:46<pic>A small brick that might be handy when I can fix it..but still a brick atm.
18:48<pic>I'm flashing an sdcard to fix it...well put a proper version of debian on it.
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18:48*pic tried to fix the version on it and it kinda went wrong.
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19:00<pic>Woot it works...and happy new year
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19:19<na2sim>FOR ALL
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19:41<MainFrame>im having trouble dual booting debian with win7
19:41<ham5>what did you install 2nd ?
19:41<ham5>i dont want to live on this planet anymore
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19:45<MainFrame>when i put the bootloader on the mbr it works fine but theres no entry for windows and when i put it on the root partition it goes str8 to windows ive reinstalled three times
19:46<MainFrame>it just says debian, debian (recovery mode), memtest, memtest, memtest
19:46<MainFrame>i dont remember what they said exactly bcuz i didnt write em down
19:47<MainFrame>and this isnt my first linux distro....
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19:53<jhutchins_lt>MainFrame: Put it on the MBR, boot to debian and run update-grub
19:54<jhutchins_lt>MainFrame: It's a know feature of the squeeze installer that it doesn't detect other OSs until you do that.
19:54<MainFrame>i appreciate your help
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19:55<MainFrame>one more question
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19:55<MainFrame>how do i put kde 4.7 on here?
19:56<MainFrame>just install it regular, or is there some tweaking that i have to do?
19:58<jhutchins_lt>MainFrame: Again, you have to ask mint support for mint support.
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19:58<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
19:58<jhutchins_lt>MainFrame: WHoops, sorry
19:58<jhutchins_lt>Wrong window.
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19:59<jhutchins_lt>Stable is at 4.4, 4.7 isn't out of testing yet.
20:00<MainFrame>i was wondering like huh!?
20:00<MainFrame>hi Guest22337
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20:01<MainFrame>4.7 is so beautiful tho
20:01<MainFrame>i saw some vids where ppl had it and it looks really good
20:01<MainFrame>didnt know it wasnt out of testing yet tho, thnx jhutchins_lt
20:02<MainFrame>Happy New Year to everyone as well!
20:03<pic>hmm anyone have any strong options on VPS's IPsec vs ssl?
20:04<pic>oddly ipsec seems to be in a ascendant
20:04<pic>Even though it is an older tech...strongswan as a server OK?
20:05<MainFrame>i rebooting now, Thanks again jhutchins_lt
20:06<jhutchins>MainFrame: prosit!
20:07<mhall119>pic: VPN you mean?
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20:10<pic>mhall119: aye
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20:13<pic>Currently figuring out which is best for a heterogeneous environment, ipsec is now supported by a lot of stuff natively vs things like openvpn.
20:14<pic>openvpn being well ssl under it all.
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20:17<mhall119>pic: I always just use an SSH tunnel + SOCKS proxy when I can
20:17<mhall119>it's the easiest to setup
20:17<mhall119>probably not ideal for connecting 2 networks together
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20:19<dadnaskjnfksjdfds>im new to linux, whats a py file??
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20:20<pic>dadnaskjnfksjdfds: a python file
20:21<pic>it's a scripting language.
20:21<pic>you using a gui (point and clicky thing?)
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20:22<MainFrame>ok im back
20:22<MainFrame>got an error when tryin to download kde
20:22<MainFrame>550 Failed to change directory.
20:22<MainFrame>is that just the mirror or is that an internal problem with my system?
20:23<pic>..I would suspect the mirror..though have you done anything odd to the bit of the system where the directory was ment to go?
20:24<pic>dadnaskjnfksjdfds: are you still there?
20:25<MainFrame>its a fresh install
20:25<MainFrame>like 5mins fresh
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20:25<MainFrame>its probably the mirros because every one ive clicked on i get that error or i get a 404 error
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20:30<pic>weird..never had that prob.
20:31<pic>then again been a while since I used kde
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20:32<MainFrame>what does this mean?
20:32<MainFrame># Replace 'xx' or the whole url to use your local mirror.
20:32<MainFrame>deb experimental main
20:32<MainFrame>deb-src experimental main
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20:32<MainFrame>oops forgot about that
20:32<boba>MainFrame: You could use us instead of xx
20:33<MainFrame>so the url would say what?
20:34<MainFrame>Thank you
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20:49<MainFrame>Thanks for your help
20:49<MainFrame>C ya
20:49<MainFrame>Happy New Year
20:49<MainFrame>to ALL
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21:48<Guest22347>Hey I have a question
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21:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:49<sney>but don't expect much on new year's
21:50<Guest22347>I was just trying to find a repository for aircrack-ng on google. Just wanted to know if anyone knows a good one
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21:52<sney>the bug that got it removed from debian main says that "better alternatives exist" though it gives no hints as to what those might be
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21:53<sney>I don't do any wardriving/cracking so I have no idea about either alternatives or 3rd party repositories
21:53<Guest22347>k thanks
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21:53<sney>though with a lot of things like that, your best bet is to just build it from source and make your own packages or install with stow
21:53<sney>argh what a shit
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