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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-01

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00:00<Chr|s>wow pretty full room :) even more full than ubuntu :D
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00:02<mhall119>#ubuntu on freenode?
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00:03<mhall119>05:02 -!- Irssi: #ubuntu: Total of 1258 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1256 normal]
00:03<mhall119>05:01 -!- Irssi: #debian: Total of 407 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 405 normal]
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00:18<chris>doh
00:18<chris>something weird with my monitor
00:19<chris>just did a fresh clean install of debain wheezy
00:19<chris>went afk for a lil while, came back and my monitor wouldn't wake up
00:19<chris>would this be the result of my video card?
00:20<sney>is it a laptop? sometimes acpi suspend is weird
00:20<chris>nah it's a desktop
00:21<chris>an 20" hp monitor
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00:21<chris>weird
00:21<sney>monitor doesn't matter
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00:21<sney>wiggling the mouse, keypresses, any change?
00:22<chris>nope
00:22<chris>happens with other distros too
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00:22<simonlnu>mhall119: here is oftc, it's got less people than freenode #debian
00:22<sney>chris: is the power light steady on or blinking?
00:22<chris>sney, it's orange like it's on standby
00:23<sney>so then it's on standby. press it once and you should wake back up (don't hold it down for more than a second)
00:23-!-voltagex is now known as voltagex-wa
00:23<sney>a lot of desktop environments (kde, gnome) default to standby after an hour or so of inactivity. this can be changed in the system settings interface
00:24<chris>press the power button?
00:24<chris>I tried turning it off and turning it back on with no change
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00:24<sney>while it's orange, just press it once and it should go back to green and bring you back to a desktop - depending on whether it's s2ram or s2disk by default, it might take a minute or two
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00:25<sney>or you can just hold it down and shut off, then go into the settings and disable the inactive standbuy
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00:25<sney>by*
00:25<chris>if I press it, it will show off, their isn't any play :(
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00:26<chris>I think sleep mode does it
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00:26<chris>when it switches off it works fine, going to text it really quick in power options
00:27<HUGO>hi
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00:27<chris>hopefully I'll be back in a few minutes. if it does it again, have to do a reboot
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00:32<chris>bummer
00:32<chris>no go :(
00:33<chris>had to reboot
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00:34<Chr|s>I think I fixed it before on other distrubutions by updating my graphics driver
00:35<Chr|s>their isn't any package manager in xfce wheezy?
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00:40<gluesniffmonkey>How can I boot debian as the only operating system on an intel imac?
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00:41<sney>Chr|s: you can install synaptic if you want. apt-get and aptitude are available by default on all debian installs
00:41<sney>gluesniffmonkey: I think you need rEFIt
00:42<Chr|s>cli, yeah :) have to get used to it
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00:47<gluesniffmonkey>There should be a way without refit. I was using Ubuntu as sole operating system yesterday.
00:48<gluesniffmonkey>Does debian have a special iso for the intel imac?
00:48<sney>not that I'm aware of
00:48<sney>there might be something on wiki.debian.org
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00:51<gluesniffmonkey>for debian all the scenarios seem to assume dual boot.
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00:53<sney>the ubuntu documentation should essentially work
00:53<sney>sorry it's such a ghost town in here tonight. I'm about to leave to go watch the fireworks. Tuesday, working hours in north america or western europe, you'll get better responses
00:53<gluesniffmonkey>The ubuntu people have a special iso for the inel imac
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00:54<Chr|s>thanks sney enjoy the fireworks
00:54<gluesniffmonkey>enjoy
00:54<Chr|s>happy new year
00:54<sney>you too
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01:10<metaspike>hey, im looking to install debian on my new laptop. major disadvantage of using w32-loader? i understand it isn't a "pure" installation
01:10<metaspike>it installs to ntfs? i guess that's my question.
01:10<sney>I'm pretty sure it doesn't
01:11<sney>it just loads the installer to a place where the windows boot menu can see it, so you don't need to mess around with cds and the bios
01:11<metaspike>ah ok, so it puts the debian-installer- onto the ntfs drive then carries standard install from there? clever.
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01:15<linkslice>are there instructions somewhere for how to download and build debian from source?
01:16<sney>I don't think so. why would you want to build all of debian from source?
01:16<linkslice>for fun. :-)
01:17<linkslice>I do it on OpenBSD all the time. It part of the culture there. I'm just trying to find out how I set up a local source repo of my own to mess with.
01:17<sney>if you want to install a debian system from the ground up, look into debootstrap; if you want to build a linux os from source, do linux from scratch
01:17<metaspike>i want to dual boot... 3 paritions, 1. the factory restore part, 25g 2. windows 128g 3. 144g part in a logical partition. so the boot parition could be inside a logical partition. errk.
01:18<sney>linkslice: packaging, repository, and deb/apt deeper questions can go to #debian-mentors
01:18<sney>metaspike: nobody said you need to have a separate /boot
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01:21<metaspike>yeah, that's not really neccesary. so just a single "/" inside the logical partition? chainloadnig should work? (thanks for helping once again sney)
01:21<sney>should be fine
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01:22<sney>grub can go in the master boot record no matter what else is on the hard drive. windows doesn't touch the mbr. this makes some things easier.
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01:24<metaspike>in ways i feels a little excessive having both OS's on this laptop, but considering it's all I'll have for the next two years uni, i guess it's justified.
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01:26<NULL>c++ Q: I have simple program that download PKG from net through libCURL but it FREEZ when it download the PKG , what is the easiest way to fix it , pthread , glib::thread , or Glib::Dispatcher
01:27<metaspike>it's 64bit. win"32"-loader ,,, oh well?
01:27<sney>win32 is just a catchall for the windows operating environment(s)
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01:29<metaspike>NULL, in terminal. curl -C - -O http://www.whatever.zip - prehaps?
01:30<metaspike>"to resume"
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01:44<metaspike>!win32
01:44<dpkg>[win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader" is a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <win32-loader.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>.
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01:48<metaspike>gnu hurd kernel? buh? I just want the one debian uses v_v
01:48<sney>you must have selected something weird
01:49<sney>I have never even seen the hurd installer
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01:50<metaspike>indeed lol, i want testing. maybe i should just inst and upgrade stable.
01:50<sney>yeah that's generally what's recommended
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01:50<sney>since the testing installer is also a funky test platform
01:51<metaspike>good point.
01:54<pic>quick pointer if you would, I'm setting up a box to work as a router for a mte...and I doubt if I will be in the best of states the morn (to say the least) . what is the easiest most brain dead way to set up debian box as a dynamic IP on one eth port and a dhcp server (stici of corce) on the other.
01:54<pic>...sorry I've just been told by the girl friend I'm doing this.
01:55<sney>pic: I set up shorewall once while drunk
01:55<sney>it's pretty painless as long as your typing is still fairly controllable
01:55<pic>pointers to utter brain dead guides welcome.
01:55<metaspike>hur. the stable installation is half the size, gives me "Cannot detect system partition, assuming C:" and has no expert options. I guess it's being as precautious as I am.
01:55<sney>shorewall.org has howtos I think
01:55<sney>apt-get install shorewall, follow the howto, you can probably do it in a couple hours
01:55<pic>debian so I won't be bugged by them later?
01:56<pic>(fire and forget is all I want..as I can't stand the gits....having a hang-over help when dealing with them
01:56<sney>nobody here will hassle you for following upstream documentation as long as the packages are from official debian repos
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01:58<pic>cool...but I will not use nano
01:58<pic>ew...that's almost emacs
01:58<sney>you can use whatever editor floats your boat. even gedit is fine
01:58<metaspike>"Begin Install on This Computer", i really wish I was running linux, then at least id know what its doing.
01:59<metaspike>leafpad :D
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02:03<pic>hmm discovered an interesting foible in the dreamplug device...eth ports get confused and switch somethings
02:03<metaspike>sort with iptables? fix /etc/hosts? dunno sir.
02:04<pic>no between reboots it seems.
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02:04<pic>root
02:04<metaspike>some gremlin in /etc/init.d/ probably
02:05<metaspike>wish me luck sney v_v
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03:02<shem>hi is this where you ask for debian help?
03:02<heikkila>yep
03:03<shem>okay i was trying to install wine 1.2.3 so i could use spotify but it says i need 32-bit development libraries. help i'm new to this
03:08<shem>i've also noticed i cant get youtube to go full screen on the local browser, chrome and the firefox copy one and cant install minitube either
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03:10<heikkila>shem, have you tried installing Wine from Debian's repository? Its version is 1.0.1-3, if you don't have special reason to use newer Wine I think you should try 1.0.1-3 first. And how are you trying to install programs anyway?
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03:14<shem>yes i tried 1.0,1-3 and it installed but when i opened it my screen started to flicker. this happened when I had mint and ubuntu just yesterday so I uninstalled them for those reasons as I just could not get the graphics to work properly. no problems so far on debian fingers crossed. i followed the instructions and I can install 1.2.3 i just need to install those 32-bit development libraries and unfortunately it is my second day using linux so this is ver
03:14<shem>y hard for me to figure out. i need spotify as I am used to it that's all. i got everything else i use on windows just that.
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03:17<shem>i dont even know why debian installed 64 bit instead of 32 bit. but hey its working. this is the last error iget when i try wine 1.23 on the terminal configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries.
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03:21<shem>well i just figured out i can make youtube videos fullscreen by rightclickin on the video and selecting full screen but that's annoying
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03:24<heikkila>shem, did you install the flashplugin-nonfree ?
03:25<shem>i didn't bbc iplayer just asked me for that i will try that a nd see if this is the issue
03:31<shem>heikkila: thanks flashplugin solved that issue of fullscreen. now just getting spotify to work.
03:32<heikkila>nice
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03:33<heikkila>shem, there is a Linux version of Spotify with its own repository, personally I preferred the Wine-version back when I still used Spotify though
03:34<shem>you know in mint i was able to open wine or an application connected to wine that let me install applications like spotify automatically. do you kow how i could do this in debian? there was also another app called playonlinux that did the same
03:35<shem>i got play on linux i'll see if that works
03:36<heikkila>shem, it should work in Debian also, quite automagically I think. Playonlinux is packaged for Debian also.
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03:49<shem>heikkila: thanks i still cant get spotify to work. i'll leve it for now mate. Thanks and have a happy new year :)
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04:06<metaspike>sney, all is well.
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04:15<metaspike>lol what. the manual said this laptop doesn't go up to 1440x900, lol!
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06:14<anymo>ciao
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06:47<family>hello
06:47<family>i cant update my qimo
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06:48<family>he tell me
06:48<family>An unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information
06:49<family>in update & setup programs & in every thing's need update
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07:15<devil>sure
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07:24<shem>hi folks anyone know how i can fix 3d acceleration so that wine can work on debian?
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07:25<devil>and trhe gfxcard is?
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07:26<shem>not sure what you mean but i have radeon hd 2600 graphics card
07:27<devil>shem: i am not sure what wine needs, but 3d needs fglrx
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07:29<shem>devil: when I type in fglrx in synaptics manager there are many options. it also brings up xserver-xorg-video-radeon as installed but not the fglrx
07:30<devil>apt-get install fglrx-driver
07:30<devil>mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
07:30<devil>echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf
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07:40<shem>devil: for the second line ther do I type sudo in front of it? i typed it and nothing happened
07:41<devil>shem: you use debian, right?
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07:42<shem>yes i do
07:42<devil>debian has a real root. but yes, you need root rights for the 2nd command
07:42<devil>i gotta run, later
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07:42<shem>okay thanks
07:42<shem>happy new year
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07:51<loyreni>hi everyone
07:51<loyreni>i've a question
07:51<loyreni>and sorry for my poor English
07:51<loyreni>does anybody know chanel about apache ?
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07:54<zkutch>hi people and hny. how to see in gvim windows symbols from x10d0 to x10f0? every encodings and utfs give only ? or square. thanks.
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07:54<SynrG>!tell loyreni about apache
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07:55<loyreni>to SynrG ?
07:56<SynrG>loyreni: look at your private message with the answer from the bot named 'dpkg'
07:56<loyreni>oups
07:56<loyreni>i closed it
07:56<SynrG>!apache
07:56<dpkg>Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache2>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net.
07:57<loyreni>thank you
07:58<SynrG>zkutch: just use an appropriate font?
08:00<zkutch>thanks synrG. Use many: sylfaen, conslole, courier and so on. without success. try digraps again no succes.
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08:03<SynrG>zkutch: using "Monospace" in gvim i can see U+10D1 GEORGIAN LETTER BAN just fine. is this one of the characters you can't see?
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08:03<zkutch>yes. try just now.
08:04<SynrG>maybe you're just missing some font package?
08:04<zkutch>in gvim?
08:04<SynrG>on your system
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08:04<zkutch>one moment - i speaking about window, in debian everything works fine.
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08:05<zkutch>sory, windows-xp or 2003
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08:05<SynrG>so you're asking on a debian channel to solve a problem with windows?
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08:06<SynrG>!windows
08:06<dpkg>"PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
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08:06<zkutch>excuse me please, i try all other ways, may be somebody know...
08:06<zkutch>thanks
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10:04<wannes>Sorry to interrupt here, I'm rather new to IRC and checking out my weechat client. (Happy newyear)
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10:29<A|ex|A>hello
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10:30<A|ex|A>are you here?
10:30<A|ex|A>i need help
10:30<wannes1>I'm here but I don't know if I can help you
10:30<A|ex|A>ok
10:30<A|ex|A>listen
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10:31<A|ex|A>hoe can i install in virtual box win 7 from real cd?
10:31<wannes1>I'm afraid I can't help there. I never installed a virtual box (ever)
10:31<wannes1>sorry
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10:32<wannes1>Only advice I can give is google it, must be a howto somewhere around
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10:32<A|ex|A>i need help :(
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10:33<heikkila>A|ex|A, do you mean your host is Debian and you want Windows 7 as a guest?
10:33<A|ex|A>i am not good with linux yet
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10:33-!-Texou is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
10:33<A|ex|A>in virtual box
10:33<A|ex|A>i have virtaal box
10:33<heikkila>yes...
10:33<A|ex|A>and i dont know haw
10:34<A|ex|A>also i have a disk real cd disk
10:34<wannes1> http://www.virtalbox.org
10:34<heikkila>A|ex|A, what is your native operating system?
10:34<wannes1>can that be of help?
10:34<A|ex|A>debian
10:35<A|ex|A>squeeze
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10:35<heikkila>A|ex|A, ok, good, that is the host. And you want to install Windows 7 into a virtual machine using Virtualbox?
10:35<A|ex|A>host?
10:35<wannes1>meaning the computer that will host your windows installation
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10:35<A|ex|A>you meen my host name of my comp?
10:36<heikkila>A|ex|A, no, not networking. Debian is the host operating system for the virtualized machines you will be using with Virtualbox.
10:36<A|ex|A>aham ok i konw now :)
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10:39<wannes1>
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10:41<A|ex|A>and none can help me :(
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10:41<heikkila>A|ex|A, when you create a virtual machine (vm) you can choose an iso-file that the vm, there you should be able to choose "host drive" instead. If you already created the machine you should look into the vm's properties and look for boot options, it should be the same place where you select an iso to boot from.
10:41<A|ex|A>i know that
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10:42<A|ex|A>but but when i boot i dont have iso
10:43<A|ex|A>thet is the problem
10:43<heikkila>So, choose host cd/dvd, put the actual disc into your cd/dvd-rom, select cd/dvd as first boot option, try to boot your vm.
10:43<A|ex|A>i think that on cd is not iso file
10:43<heikkila>but you have the installation disc?
10:43<wannes1>exit
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10:43<A|ex|A>yes i have
10:43<heikkila>Use that, then
10:44<A|ex|A>ok let me try angain]
10:44<heikkila>You don't need an iso if you are using an installation disc.
10:44<A|ex|A>just a moment
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10:45<heikkila>An ISO image (International Organization for Standardization) is an archive file (also known as a disc image) of an optical disc, composed of the data contents of every written sector of an optical disc, including the optical disc file system[1].
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10:47<A|ex|A>omg
10:47<A|ex|A>it is work know
10:47<A|ex|A>now we can wait
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11:40<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to force a square pixel mode in nouveau?
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12:33<wannes>rather silent in here today
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12:38<jhutchins_lt>It's been slow over the holidays.
12:38<jhutchins_lt>Besides, no new releases, no new problems.
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12:49<wannes>yeah probably
12:50<wannes>just for my information since I'm rather new to this IRC thing, is this also a place where people can ask for help or are there separate channels?
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12:50<jhutchins_lt>wannes: The purpose here is help with Debian.
12:51<jhutchins_lt>wannes: Mostly with the stable version, we are occasionally able to help with testing or unstable, but people using those should already know what they're doing.
12:52<wannes>ok thanks
12:52<wannes>making sure I don't get a whole community all over me when asking non relevant questions :)
12:54<wannes>jhutchins_lt: I just see that if you mark my username in your post that your messages is marked. Is it etiquette to type peoples usernames in IRC chat?
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12:55<jhutchins_lt>wannes: When you are having a conversation with a specific person, it's often easier to follow that way, especially if other people are having different conversations.
12:55<jhutchins_lt>wannes: Generally we keep the discussions public so anyone can benefit and learn or contribute.
12:56<jhutchins_lt>wannes: Some people are touchy about getting private messages without being asked first.
12:56<wannes>jhutchins_lt: yeah I can imagine if there is a lot more activity that it get's a bit hard to follow. Ah didn't know there are is a possibility to send private messages?
12:57<jhutchins_lt>/msg username - usually opens a new window.
12:57<wannes>jhutchins_lt isn't that client dependant? I use weechat.
12:58<sney> /msg is present in most clients
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12:58<sney>and /query, which does the same thing, is part of the irc standard
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12:58<kilelme>wannes: just double click on name person who you want to chat
12:59<jhutchins_lt>/msg is actually a server command, and it is both client dependent and configurable how the resulting message is handled.
12:59<weasel>sney: "irc standard"?
12:59<weasel>it's all just PRIVMSG
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13:01<wannes>jhutchins_lt: thanks for introducing me to that!
13:02<wannes>kilelme: doesn't work I use weechat.
13:04<heikkila>I think /query <user> just opens a new window designated for /msg <user>, so you don't have to type /msg <user> all the time, you just type in that new window. I noticed that irssi and xchat opens a new window automatically if someone /msg me, by default.
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13:05<kilelme>wannes: i'm sorry i never use weechat...
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13:06<wannes>kilelme: no prob
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13:08<jhutchins_lt>konversation doesn't open a new windown until it receives a PRIVMSG, but it will open a blank one if you click a username.
13:09<jhutchins_lt>You can also configure whether the new window takes focus.
13:09<kilelme>wannes: maybe this can help you on weechat .. because this is basic irc command .. this the url : http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
13:10<kilelme>wannes: i cannot remember it .. so i bookmark it and i see if i forgot something.. i hope it work for you too
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13:18<wannes>kilelme: great stuff man!
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13:22<kilelme>wannes: i'm new using irc too :D
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13:26<simow>salame @ll
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13:39<joar>which mirrors have wheezy? apparently ftp.sunet.se does not
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13:42<sney>joar: cdn.debian.net is consistent
13:42<joar>i found some on ftp.se.debian.org
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13:44<wannes>kilelme: good luck, it looks cool and another corner of the internet I didn't explore until now
13:46<kilelme>wannes: yes.. internet has many information.. so you can search what you want... and also if you want create your "own world" i think best use debian :D
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13:48<kilelme>wannes: if you want to use another search engine maybe you can try duckduckgo.com :D
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13:59<adik>since ubuntu is from debian, i wanted to ask coz i have problem after trying to configure nginx
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13:59<adik>sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0551, should be 0440
13:59<adik>how may i solve this
14:00<adik>i used too much sudo on many files/folders
14:00<adik>chmod 440 /etc/sudoers , didnt solve
14:00<ompaul>adik: when you break it and stop yourself from using it you become root and then undo all the wrongs you did
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14:01<ompaul>adik: and if you can't you get to keep the pieces (sad but true) however a cd and you'll soon sort it out
14:01<adik>how to undo them, too much files i do sudo
14:01<ompaul>adik: su -
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14:01<ompaul>adik: ah you have ubuntu no we don't fix that because they have a different build to start
14:01<adik>i just make a clean install on my lappy 5 hours ago and installed much softwares, i dont want to make another format
14:02<ompaul>!tell adik about ubuntuirc
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14:02<ompaul>adik: goodbye
14:02<ompaul>adik: you will be reinstalling have fun
14:02<Bushmills>" since ubuntu is from debian..." wrong
14:03<adik>cant logon freenode
14:03<sney>that's not our problem
14:03<sney>try the ubuntu forums
14:04<mhall119>adik: Ubuntu is different enough from debian that what works on debian isn't guranteed to work on ubuntu, so it's difficult for people in here to give you good advice and support
14:04<react>Hi. I'm trying to setup a samba/WINS server on debian 6.0, but when running 'testparm' i'm getting this error: rlimit_max: rlimit_max (1024) below minimum Windows limit (16384). I have found some solutions (one of them adding * - nofile 16384 to /etc/security/limits.conf) but that just seems like a way to 'ignore' rather than fix the error. Am I wrong? And what triggers the error?
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14:08<adnan>hello
14:08<adnan>how are you
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14:09<sney>react: sounds like a good solution to me. obeying windows restrictions is not necessary most of the time
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14:11<react>sney - ok, but am I wrong, thinking that the solution I found just makes 'testparm' ignore the error and therefore not fixes it?
14:11<adnan>I n
14:11<adnan>.
14:11<sney>react: that's exactly what itt does.
14:11<sney>it should really be more of a warning than an error though
14:12<react>oh.. alright. you know why it shows? I would just like to understand what I'm ignoring :)
14:13<sney>react: http://samba.2283325.n4.nabble.com/Testparm-quot-rlimit-max-rlimit-max-8192-below-minimum-Windows-limit-16384-quot-td2448758.html explains it fairly well
14:13<samuel_>er my /tmp (file system=overflow) is at 1mb, ... what is the good way of increasing this? I am not using lvm !
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14:18<react>sney - exactly what I was looking for. thanks alot.
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14:26<joar>what am I supposed to do when sudo aptitude dist-upgrade outputs this? https://gist.github.com/9abf51716f5ebce9a0e0
14:27<joar>I'm in the midst of upgrading from squeeze to wheezy
14:27<joar>I have changed my software sources from squeeze to wheezy and added non-free and contrib
14:27<sney>use apt-get instead, it's not as "smart"
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14:28<sney>aptitude is good for day to day installs, but switching from one release to the next is best done with apt-get.
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14:28<dtw>sney, I think it's best to use the tool recommended by the release notes.
14:29<dtw>(for upgrading a system to new release)
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14:29<joar>sney: dtw: well, this is what apt-get says: https://gist.github.com/f3cc16902845f67adc27
14:29<sney>wheezy does not have release notes yet as it has not been released. lenny->squeeze was best done with apt-get, since aptitude introduced extra steps.
14:30<sney>joar: looks right. you will probably have to run it twice.
14:30<sney>squeeze-wheezy upgrades on systems that have a lot of packages are always a little messy due to multiple transitions
14:30<joar>sney: Oh, in my mist of despair I only read the REMOVED header
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14:31<joar>thank you sney :)
14:31<sney>np
14:31<react>would it be a good idea to make debian automatically check for and install dist upgrades?
14:31<sney>react: no.
14:31<joar>yes and no
14:32<joar>it would decrease stability.
14:32<sney>but on a production system, unattended upgrades can be a good idea for security stuff
14:32<sney>it's only ever smart on debian stable (or oldstable I guess). anything else and it's varying degrees of insane or stupid
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14:33<sney>one debian developer discovered his workplace was running a sid server with unattended upgrades, poor man nearly had a heart attack
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14:34<react>so whenit's just a private fileserver I guess it would be better just to check every now and then
14:34<react>haha
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14:35<sney>yeah
14:35<sney>and running stable there won't be many upgrades anyway
14:35<jhutchins_lt>There are several utilities that will check for available updates and report them, and if you follow the irc channel and/or mailing lists at all you WILL know when there's a release.
14:37<react>sney - ok :)
14:38<jhutchins_lt>Release upgrades are pretty smooth these days, but there are occasional issues that have to be dealt with, and you really don't want to do them unattended.
14:38<jhutchins_lt>There was something with MySQL in either squeeze or lenny.
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14:40<react>jhutchins - i'm rarely on IRC, mostly when I run into something I can't find a satisfactory answer to on google.. so from what you and sney tells me, i think i would be best off just checking in every now and then and upgrading when i got the time so i have time to fix it, should it fail
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14:48<jhutchins_lt>react: wheezy won't release for quite a while, it's not frozen yet, and they have to work through the 3.x kernel changes and gnome3 which doesn't have all of it's components yet.
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14:50<qdb>hello. can you open http://www.1tv.ru/newsvideoarchive/ with default squeeze browsers iceweasel and epiphany, with flash player installed ? it freezes at my system.
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14:51<react>jhutchins_lt - i think you misunderstood - i wasn't talking about upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, but updating from fx. 6.0.1 to 6.0.3..
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14:53<jhutchins>react: That's a lot safer to automate, but I use cron-apt which downloads any new packages (without installing) and generates an email that tells me they're available.
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14:54<jhutchins>react: I think there's also an announce mailing list that lets you know when new packages come out, and when there's a version update.
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14:57<qdb> my system desktop debian freezes some times. why is it? ctrl alt f1 do not work
14:58<kilelme>qdb: better download it
14:58<qdb>kilelme, you mean video?
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15:00<kilelme>qdb: yap... i mean the video... or you can see this article http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
15:00<heikkila>works here
15:00<heikkila>qdb, it is Russia freezing you ;(
15:00<qdb>)
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15:05<qdb>heikkila, now it is "warm"
15:06<heikkila>qdb, then Iceweasel shouldn't freeze
15:09<qdb>heikkila, you have ice. 3 5 16 ?
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15:11<joar>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3
15:11<sney>warnings can usually be ignored
15:11<joar>I got a message to enable contrib and non-free packages to install these kind of modules
15:12<joar>I though I'd already enabled both non-free and contrib
15:12<sney>only some tg3 nics actually need the firmware files
15:12<joar>apprently, putting them in one line after eachother like ... wheezy main contrib non-free doesn't count
15:12<sney>yes it does
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15:12<sney>that's exactly how I have it as well
15:12<joar>it was about other stuff too, I got a long list with mostly ATI stuff
15:13<joar>ok, then that text was wrong, or inadaptive
15:13<sney>if you need firmware files, you still need to install them. the packages are in non-free most of the time but they won't be installed unless you do that yourself
15:13<sney>simply enabling contrib and non-free is only part of the process
15:15<sney>joar: also, if your network card works, you do not need the tg3 firmware file.
15:16<joar>sney: apparently it does :)
15:18<joar>might bite me when I reboot. Hopefully not.
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15:37<joar>hm, which package is needed for OpenGL support w/ ATI?
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15:38<joar>my guess is fglrx
15:39<joar>-driver
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15:58<priv1>Does Debian use a linux-kernel with blobs?
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15:59<grove>From squeeze the installer kernel does not contain non-free blobs
15:59<sney>priv1: binary blobs? no, those are removed and packaged separately
16:01<melonade>Hello again helpful people! Can I get some help with these errors I'm getting when mounting a FAT32 filesystem? http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/7910
16:01<priv1>Thanks grove and sney, thought so, found nothing the debian about site. Do you know which blobs are removed?
16:02<sney>I don't know if/where they're listed, but many are packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree
16:02<priv1>sney: binary blobs = binary Binary Large ObjectS ?
16:02<priv1>Okay
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16:03<joar>X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
16:03<priv1>melonade: Hmm...looks like a corrupted filesystem...
16:04<melonade>I get the same error on 2 drives, both mount without error in windows.
16:05<sney>melonade: did you install with usb?
16:05<melonade>Yes
16:05<priv1>melonade: Do you know the filesystem of the drive?
16:05<melonade>FAT32
16:06<priv1>You installed a live-linux on the drive? Which tool did you use?
16:06<melonade>LiLi on Windows
16:06<sney>melonade: your /etc/fstab contains a line for the cdrom, delete or comment it and this problem will go away
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16:07<sney>the installer always thinks it is being installed with a cd, so it sets the installer volume as the default cd drive infstab
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16:07<melonade>hmm nano /ect/fstab no creates a new file
16:08<sney> etc
16:08<sney>not ect
16:08<melonade>ah thx
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16:09<melonade>So what do I replace cdrom0 with?
16:09<sney>just comment out that line
16:09<melonade>mmk
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16:10<priv1>Is there a cl-tool on debian, which can "really" clear the terminal?
16:10<melonade>Worked perfectly, thanks so much!
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16:11<petemc>priv1: ctrl l , or reset
16:11<petemc>i dont know what "really" means in that context, tho
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16:12<Bushmills>priv1: as in "reset"?
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16:13<priv1>petemc: Oh okay. Tried ctr l and reset, they're like clear. A forgot to say, that i mean terminals under X. Want to "remove" the scroll bar.
16:13<Bushmills>ah, as in "as petemc said"
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16:13<priv1>I remember i had a simple print-one liner...
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16:14<Bushmills>invoke program, (X terminal, probably) with option to suppress scroll bar
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16:15<qdb>i have reattached videocard, uninstalled nouveau, and the 1tv ru flash players work now
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16:15<qdb>ie iceweasel and epiphany do not freeze
16:16<qdb>my v. card very hot, for that i uninstalled nouveau
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16:18<sney>nouveau is pretty limited
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16:19<priv1>Ah it was printf "\033c" , but works like reset. I was using the console tool from KDE and so reset didnt work.
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16:28<Aleric>How can I configure my debian box to start routing other PC's? I have two ethernetcards (192.168.11.0 and 192.168.2.0) and both work, but I can't connect the internet from a PC on the internal LAN :/
16:29<sney>why are they both private addresses? shouldn't one of them be public?
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16:32<sney>this is the howto I followed when I did it. http://shorewall.net/4.2/two-interface.htm
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16:33<Aleric>thx
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16:35<Bushmills>Aleric: as in, fuinctioning as gateway for machines connected to your box?
16:36<Aleric>yes
16:36<Bushmills>essentially like this: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/masq
16:37<Aleric>isn't there an /etc/ file that I can change in debian so that echo is done at boot?
16:37<Bushmills>there's a better way to enable the forwarding permanently. but the principle is the same
16:37<sney>(the same thing is covered in that howto I linked, but it's a lot easier to maintain because you don't need to remember iptables syntax)
16:38<Aleric>sney: i couldn't find it yet
16:38<Bushmills>sysctl.conf is where to configure that
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16:55<mars>hi
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16:56<mars>can i use apt-mirror without deleting the old packages?
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16:57<mars>i want to have a repository that holds multiple versions of packages so i can install old ones.
16:57<mars>is that possible?
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16:59<wannes>mars: I don't know but that's going to cause trouble I suspect. Isn't it an option to download packages manually?
17:00<wannes>mars: that is unless you regularly need to do that
17:00<mars>wannes: i need to do it regularly
17:01<mars>i want to be able to setup vms with old packages
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17:02<mars>i need to implement some kind of patch managment where a developer can install the same packages as in production (cloning vms is not an option)
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17:02<wannes>mars: sorry can't be of help then ...
17:03<mars>wannes: i know that apt-get install packagename=versionname will install a certain version of a package
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17:04<mars>that would be enough as long as i have a repository that hold the needed packages + versions
17:07<wannes>mars: really sorry, can't help there, I'm sure you know much much more about Debian than I do, Just my 2 cents that I thought it might cause version trouble... .
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17:10<lith_>i need some tips and about going back to my old kernel
17:11<lith_>i updated my big rip and been having wpa issues
17:11<francisco>Boa Noite
17:11<lith_>big rip
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17:11<lith_>big rig
17:11<lith_>so i need to go back to 2.6
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17:12<lith_>how do i change it with grub two, my browser is painfully slow so xchat is best way i guess
17:12<mars>lith_: i am not sure how to do it but grub usually shows you multiple kernel versions that you can choose from
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17:13<unix>hallo
17:13<mars>lith_: perhaps you can just add your old one to the list
17:13<mars>and specify it as default
17:13<unix>germen chene?
17:13<FatCat>#debian.de
17:13<lith_>thank you, what command do i need
17:13<unix>ah sorry danke
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17:14<lith_>my terminal knowledge needs work lol
17:15<supaman>lith: isnt there a vmlinuz file with 2.6 in it in the /boot directory?
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17:15<supaman>something like vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
17:15<lith_>i updated and it broke my wifi and wpa set up
17:16<lith_>whats the safest way to roll it back
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17:17<lith_>supaman whats the grub termnal commands i need to change it
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17:18<sney>old kernels don't get removed automatically
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17:18<sney>so unless you removed the package yourself...
17:18<supaman>lith_: first you should make sure the old kernel is actually there
17:18<lith_>i hav'nt removed nothing yet
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17:18<lith_>i need to go back to older kernel, things broke after update
17:19<supaman>yes we understand your problem
17:19<lith_>kk my linux knowledge lacking, i mostly do hardware etc
17:19<supaman>the thing is you might allready have the old kernel installed, so you have to tell us if it is or not
17:19<supaman>and you do that by checking in the /boot directory
17:20<supaman>is there a file there with name like vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
17:20<supaman>it might not have amd64 and it might have different numbers then 32-5
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17:21<lith_>kk i'll check
17:22<lith_>2.6.38
17:22<supaman>ok, thats the one you want to use
17:23<supaman>it should show up when you boot up
17:24<supaman>so if you restart the computer and when you get the splash screen select that kernel instead of letting the computer just boot using the default kernel
17:24<lith_>kk
17:24<yuba>HAPPY NEW YEAR
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17:26<lith_>i don't get a splash on boot, turn on rig it does its post then goes into the log inscreen
17:26<lith_>i might have change it with terminal
17:27<supaman>hmmm
17:27<lith_>happy new year
17:27<lith_>all looks like a good year
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17:27<lith_>maybe i should be using a i7 proc?
17:27<lith_>should'nt
17:29<supaman>lith_: sorry, have to go afk, good luck
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17:29<lith_>kk thanks man happy new year
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17:29<lith_>supaman
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17:31<lith_>brb
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17:37<amitz>how to check if my mount cli can support ext4?
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17:45<Bushmills>cat /proc/filesystems could do, unless you're not using the unified ext2/3/4 driver
17:46<amitz>thanks
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17:53<metaspike>i have wierd soundcard issues. under /dev/snd/ - pcmC1D0p is a working generic interface for ATI R6xx HDMI, but apps look for pcmC0D0p, I can ln it, which works for speaker output, but not headphones, mic etc. How do I configure this?
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18:23<amitz>if an application (gparted) declares that ext4 fs is supported, is it (relatively) safe to assume that mount can mount ext4?
18:24<amitz>of the same host.
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18:29<metaspike>i suppose you could assume as much. ultimately the kernel must support ext4 to mount ext4
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18:30<metaspike>it would be a fair assumption.
18:32<amitz>noted, thanks
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18:41<Shams>salut?
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20:11<amaldo>Hi, does anyone have a Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point running OpenWrt or DD-WRT? I'm investigating why the device is capped at 17dbm (50mW) in Germany, and I would love to see another sample of the 'art' or 'board_config' section of the firmware.
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20:40<derek>Anyone happen to know of any way to restore an iPhone firmware via Debian?
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21:05<shem>hello everyone i multiple issues with wine and want to get rid of it but cant. this is a new install of debian. same issues on mint and ubuntu. i've followed instructions here http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-9893ae50079ca7a959258f0bc9a17aaf2e69b391 but still nothing happens when I type those commands even as root to get rid of wine. i've deleted it on the synaptics package manager. all the folders files and desktop icons are still there for wine programs
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21:10<shem>any idea why when i type in commands like rm -rf .wine or rm -f $HOME/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine* nothing happens??
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21:52<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know of a list of IRC channels for chatting about Debian in English?
21:54<samsul>kingsley; try /list
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21:59<TCW>kingsley, huh? What is wrong with #debian?
22:06<kingsley>TCW: I like variety.
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22:19<TCW>kingsley, weird...
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22:32<mercutio22>it seems vim stops responding to my commands. I have vim tuned with lots of plugins, maybe one of them is buggy. How can I test if vim has really crashed or if I did something wrong in vi itself?
22:33<mercutio22>it says its in visual mode
22:33<mercutio22>pressing esc does not undo it as it should
22:33<mercutio22>or at least as I expect vim would
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22:41<fusin>:)
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