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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-05

---Logopened Thu Jan 05 00:00:59 2012
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00:13<babilen>!tell tp43 -about bat
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00:15<tp43>babilen, I go it fixed now, thanks anyway though
00:17<babilen>even better :)
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00:54<Guest22723>,,,;'kk p[
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01:00<simonlnu>gee, that was mature
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01:58<FunGoat>exit
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03:08<amitz>which one is run first, the deployment of /etc/skel to /home/%u , or local_chroot-hooks. i basically want to operate on an already made /home/%u .
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04:08<jackson3>the smart check from the disk utility says that i have a bad sector :(
04:09<jackson3>and bellow: reallocated sector count : pre-fail warning :(
04:09<jackson3>oh god, am i screwed ? this is a 2 months old hdd :((
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04:14<andreas>test
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04:15<jackson3>that's actually the self test result andreas
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04:15<jackson3>i don't know how to repair this because the main partition is the bootable one
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04:16<jackson3>maybe if i boot with debian live....
04:17<jackson3>what should i use to fix this ?
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04:22<Yos>jackson3, just do a backup just in case
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04:23<jackson3>i've googled about this, and apparently it's ok if the bad sector number doesn't constantly rise
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04:23<jackson3>but i still can't find an actual way to fix this thing
04:24<Yos>I have gotten a lot of false results from SMART tests
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04:25<jackson3>right
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05:09<tamara>привет
05:09<grove>!ru
05:09<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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05:10<KaOS>debian-german
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05:19<amoe_>Anyone know a ping tool (GUI or console) that displays the current rate of packet loss while continuing to ping?
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05:19<holsta>amoe_: mtr
05:20<holsta>amoe_: aka "My Traceroute" or "Matt's Traceroute"
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05:22<amoe_>holsta: thanks! just tried it, amazing
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05:55<k-man_>when I try and compile libjavascript-perl I get a compile error: http://pastie.org/3130373 any ideas how I might fix it?
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06:20<devil>you are obviously missing jstl.h, which apt-file search cant find
06:21<devil>http://code.google.com/p/libset/source/browse/trunk/spidermonkey/src/jstl.h?spec=svn175&r=175
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06:22<devil>but i am not knowledgable on java stuff, so thats all i can make of that
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06:56<kiso>hi
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06:57<Yos>hello
06:57<kiso>Smart Array P212 controller is supports debian squeeze 6.0.3 ?
06:58<nevyn>yeah
06:59<nevyn>kiso: yes it'll work just fine.
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07:00<kiso>nevyn, thx ;)
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07:01<nevyn>kiso: there's a page... umm
07:01<jm_>!hcl
07:01<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>.
07:01<jm_>that one?
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07:01<nevyn>no.
07:01<nevyn>http://cciss.sourceforge.net/
07:01<nevyn>this one
07:01<jm_>right the driver page
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07:02<nevyn>well it also explains the pros/cons of the hp proprietary driver.
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07:08<kiso>nevyn, driver is sewn in the installer?
07:09<nevyn>yep.
07:09<nevyn>what's the kernel in squeeze?
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07:09<nevyn>kiso: you might need a newer kernel maybe..
07:09<kiso>i hav squeeze 64bit netinstall
07:09<kiso>hav=have
07:10<kiso>6.0.3
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07:12<nevyn>that's not a kernel version
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07:13<kiso>where is kernel version?
07:13<ompaul>uname -a
07:13<ompaul>kiso: ^^
07:13<nevyn>hrm
07:13<nevyn>ok it's .32
07:14<kiso>2.6.32-5-amd64
07:14<nevyn>hrm
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07:15<kiso>that is, everything should be okay?
07:16<nevyn>so you'll get cciss and it'll work.
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07:16<nevyn>but the current kernel uses hpsa for that hardware which is a new driver as of 2.6.36
07:19<kiso>I hope I correctly see the logical matrix of the controller
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07:21<bilgate>hi all
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07:21<bilgate>l have problem
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07:22<nevyn>kiso: that's unlikely to be the problem
07:22<nevyn>kiso: things to worry about.
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07:22<nevyn>kiso: disk failures/replacement and rebuilds
07:23<bilgate>can me install debian on my handphone ?
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07:24<kiso>nevyn, ;) I currently have a controller b110i and debian does not recognize it. So I have to buy some different (p212) and therefore prefer to make sure.
07:25<nevyn>kiso: in what sort of system?
07:26<nevyn>what's a b110i?
07:26<kiso>hp dl160g6
07:26<kiso>have b110i
07:27<kiso>has*
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07:27<Yos>how can I increase sound over 100% ?
07:27<jm_>buy an amplifier
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07:28<Yos>hmm
07:28<scisteffan>Hi, I'd like to know how to change the ahci option in my kernel? I'm getting this error on boot: ata2.01: failed to resume link (SControl 0) and s2disk hangs on a MacBook Pro
07:29<Yos>in ubuntu sound preferences, you could increase sound above 100%
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07:29<nevyn>Yos: install pulseaudio
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07:29<nevyn>if you want those options
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07:30<bilgate>alsamixer
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07:31<nevyn>what does 100% even mean (I mean pulseaudio assigns it a nominal meaning of unity gain but.. bleh)
07:32<kilelme>scisteffan: maybe you can switch on IDE mode on your sata harddisk
07:32<nevyn>kiso: I'd disable the b110i and use software raid.
07:32<nevyn>really
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07:33<nevyn>it stinks like software fakeraid.
07:34<kiso>p212isn't expesnive
07:34<nevyn>kiso: I'd really use md.
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07:35<nevyn>honestly raid controllers are often more pain than the benefit.
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07:36<nevyn>even if there's free drivers management and monitoring is a pain.
07:36<kiso>software raid alone does not restore ;p
07:36<nevyn>does not restore what?
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07:36<kiso>I have a command from the console seem right to be rebuild
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07:39<kiso>in the hw raid i put a new drive and it gets all the same
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07:43<st_prg>Hi guys, I am having problems upgrading my kernel on 6.0.1
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07:43<st_prg>I have upgraded it before with out a problem yet now I try and I get an error.
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07:45<mosno>st_prg: why aren't you on 6.0.3?
07:45<st_prg>mosno: I had the 6.0.1 disc
07:46<st_prg>Here are my errors if they help: http://pastebin.com/rYCXqHJb
07:46<st_prg>Could it be that I am not on the latest version that is why I am having these problems?
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07:47<gob_bluth>hi, i've got cron reporting "Error: bad month" with "00 03 * 14,30 * root $SCRIPT"
07:47<jm_>tell it to install linux-base together with the kernel too
07:47<gob_bluth>i don't get it, that's perfectly normal
07:48<mosno>,versions linux-base
07:48<judd>Package: linux-base on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-35~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-35squeeze2; squeeze: 2.6.32-38; squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-40; squeeze-backports: 3.3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.4; wheezy: 3.4
07:48<st_prg>jm_: I have tried that?
07:48<jm_>gob_bluth: you have month number 14 and 30 where you live?
07:48<gob_bluth>yeah i just realized that
07:48<gob_bluth>:p
07:48<jm_>st_prg: no, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 linux-base
07:49<st_prg>I have the latest version of linux base though.
07:49<jm_>which is?
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07:50<st_prg>jm_: Here: http://pastebin.com/UnB6aNhk
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07:51<jm_>st_prg: how did you enable backports repository?
07:52<st_prg>jm_: In my sources.list
07:52<jm_>st_prg: well then use apt-get -t squeeze-backports install ....
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07:52<st_prg>jm_: Really? I have been able to install the kernel from backports before without targetting backports.
07:52<jm_>(note this in your policy output: 100 http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/)
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07:54<st_prg>Thanks jm_, it worked :) Any idea why it may have worked on previous installations without having to target backports?
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07:56<jm_>st_prg: not really
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07:57<st_prg>Ok, well thanks for your help, it is installing fine now.
07:58<jm_>no worries
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09:37<scisteffan>Hi, what could be the cause of the error "[ 1.313064] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: Found HC with no IRQ. Check BIOS/PCI 0000:00:1a.0 setup!" at http://paste.debian.net/151093/
09:37<armor-64>hi i wnat to ask if i will have a problem with 2 gpu in crossfire mode under ubuntu!and if it's possible to not install the video drivers...
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09:41<Torsten_W>armor-64, 1st your question makes not many sense, 2nd, here is #debian, not #ubuntu
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09:44<armor-64>torsten_w: what i want to say is i that i want to install a second video card and if there is a problem with settings with video driver under ubuntu,u understnd now?
09:44<jww>heh Torsten_W I'm a moron, you understand now ?
09:45<armor-64>???
09:45<jww>sorry I mean
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09:45<OdyX>armor-64: Questions regarding a Ubuntu install are out-of-topic here. Please head to #ubuntu on Freenode for such questions.
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09:45<jww>Torsten_W: I mron,u understd now?
09:46<OdyX>jww: that is out-of-topic too.
09:46<jww>but at least it's funny :)
09:46<armor-64>wtf guys i dont wont to install ubuntu,all i am asking if there are problems with 2 video cards in ubuntu!!!!
09:47<armor-64>or the video drivers because i am experience some lags with one
09:47<petemc>why not ask them
09:47<OdyX>armor-64: read again my answer. We are not using Ubuntu, hence not ready to help you with Ubuntu.
09:47<armor-64>ok sorry
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09:49<scisteffan>brb
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10:11<negrete>hello everyone, sorry if this is a dumb question... what would be the best approach to restrict certain users so they can only open a range of ports?
10:11<negrete>for example, user A can only listen in ports 5001-5100, user B in ports 5101-5200, etc. I'm almost sure I have to do it with iptables rules but I'm stuck... could you please point me in the right direction?
10:11<petemc>iptables can do uid stuff
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10:13<yznou>but iptables doesnt restrict a user from listening on a specific port, does it? ... it just prevents the user from getting packets
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10:13<negrete>it should be with --uid-owner, right?
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10:15<negrete>let's say the user has some C code that tries to open X port, if I force the user to only use the port range 5001-5100 and he tries to open the port 3000, will it actually open the port? will it be rejected?
10:16<petemc>iptables wont stop them opening the port
10:16<petemc>you would need selinux or some shit to do that
10:16<jhutchins_wk>negrete: What are you really trying to do?
10:16<Bushmills>or virtual machines with multiple ip addresss, one per user
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10:17<Bushmills>vserver might do nicely
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10:19<negrete>ok, I'm developing an Web-based IDE and I'll share this machine with some developers. What I'm trying to do is to force each new app to certain ports so the developers can't open several ports at the same time (or try to use other ports (in user or reserved for other developers)
10:19<negrete>I don't want to use virtual machines because it's not that effective for my purposes
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10:21<negrete>right now I have scripts for creating chroot'ed users, assign restrictions, etc.
10:21<negrete>but where I'm having problems is in how to handle the port assignments/restrictions
10:24<negrete>what I was thinking about was to analyze all of the code before running the developer's app, but I don't think it's the best solution
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10:26<jhutchins_wk>negrete: There's a concept called "Intelligent User Management" where you don't attempt to force policy compliance, but merely inform the users of the policy and expect reasonable compliance from them due to their enlightened self interest.
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10:30<negrete>@jhutchins_wk: yes, but sadly not all of the users are "reasonable"... and in my case most of the developers won't be sitting next to me but in other countries, so it won't be that easy to control that, hence my original question
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10:32<eshat>if I do not know how many pages my document has (for example printing a webpage), have can I print from page 5 till the end ?
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10:33<eshat>I didn't find anything at "man lp"
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10:34<Bushmills>eshat: the term "page" is ambiguous in this context: page 5 of the ascii view of a web page is a different page than the rendered web page
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10:35<jhutchins_wk>negrete: Noncompliance = no acccess.
10:35<Bushmills>the printer or print server or lp has no reason to decide on your behalf what it considers a "page"
10:36<eshat>Bushmills: ignoring that, I want to print all but the first 4 pages after exporting to ps ( or whatever)
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10:36<eshat>Bushmills: I already printed the first 4 pages, and wan't to exlude them in the second run
10:36<Bushmills>without first 4 pages, as the web page looks in ascii, or as a web browser renders it?
10:37<eshat>what lp sends to the printer, since I already have that
10:37<eshat>(that might be ps format or what ever)
10:37<yznou>eshat: lp -P ?
10:37<negrete>@jhutchins_wk: I get your point and I really appreciate your opinion, however, I'll still try to implement this policy
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10:38<eshat>yznou: I do not know how many pages the webpage will generate
10:38<eshat>so I need something like "lp -P 5-END"
10:38<negrete>@jhutchins_wk: I think the best approach for now would be to analyze the code before actually running it
10:39<eshat>well, let's just try -P 5-10000"
10:39<Bushmills>eshat: ŷou could pipe the text through sed 1,$((5*$pagesize))d
10:39<Bushmills>where pagesize is the number of lines per page
10:40<eshat>Bushmills: that's a bit overkill and to complex to remember. I thought lp has a varibale that I am missing
10:40<mc68040>eshat: you had look at the utilities in package "psutils"?
10:40<eshat>as additional information: I am printing out of the browser, so using KDE's print dialog
10:40<eshat>or the default GTK one
10:41<yznou>negrete: selinux can restrict the access to ports, but i dont know if you can restrict specific uids
10:41<Bushmills>sed 1,300d or whatever isn't overkill, neither is it difficult to remember, IMHO
10:42<eshat>Bushmills: I think there should be something like "5-" or "5-E". but thnaks anyway
10:42<Bushmills>"1 to 300 delete"
10:43<eshat>?
10:43<Bushmills>that's how you could read 1,300d
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10:43<Bushmills>other than that, avocados are said to improve memory
10:44<eshat>Bushmills: don't get rude ;)
10:44<Bushmills>where did I?
10:44<negrete>@yznou: thanks! but I still haven't found anything about specific uids... I think I'll have to look in that direction again
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10:48<eshat>Bushmills: that wasn't meant seriously. However thank you
10:48<jhutchins_wk>eshat: Pick an arbitrary page known to be beyond the end of range, print 5-999
10:48<jhutchins_wk>THat's what I do for EOF in vi.
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10:49<eshat>jhutchins_wk: [16:39] <eshat> well, let's just try -P 5-10000"
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10:55<derick_>audio sampler linuxsampler can't connect to localhost
10:55<derick_>what should be in my /etc/network/interfaces?
10:55<derick_>http://fpaste.org/EkHt/
10:56<derick_>using networkmanager gnome
10:56<derick_>localhost [127.0.0.1] 8888 (?) : Connection refused
10:56<derick_>Starting LSCP network server (0.0.0.0:8888)...OK
10:57<jhutchins_wk>derick_: Shouldn' t have anything to do with the interface config.
10:57<Torsten_W>for network-manager there should be nothing instead of lo in /etc/network/interfaces?
10:57<derick_>0.0.0.0:8888 vs.
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10:57<derick_>localhost [127.0.0.1] 8888
10:58<derick_>I suspect it is something in my network settings, but dunno where
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11:02<daniel_>server fond
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11:02<daniel_>apt-get update
11:02<daniel_>exit
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11:03<derick_>what should be in my /etc/network/interfaces?
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11:06<SynrG>derick_: looks fine to me
11:06<derick_>ok
11:06<derick_>hmm then I have to find another cause
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11:07<SynrG>i don't know anything about this "LCSP network server" ...
11:07<SynrG>does it have settings for who is allowed to connect?
11:07<jhutchins_wk>derick_: Have you configured a firewall on that system?
11:07<derick_>no
11:07<SynrG>you are trying a local connection from the system to istelf right?
11:08<SynrG>itself*
11:08<derick_>the linuxsampler server start locally, right
11:08<derick_>afaik with the localhost address
11:09<derick_>127.0.0.1] 8888
11:09<derick_>but it seems to start on 0.0.0.0:8888
11:09<derick_>hm
11:09<SynrG>that means "accept a connection on any address"
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11:09<SynrG>i.e. not bound to a specific receiving ip#
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11:09<lobo>hello
11:10<derick_>ok, that doesn't sound like a problem then, but why can't it connect
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11:11<yznou>derick_: can you start your client from a terminal to get more details? ... or with --verbose ...?
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11:12<derick_>hmm wait
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11:12<derick_>ok sorry for the noise, error in a script. Linuxsampler wasn't even started
11:13<derick_>thx anyway!
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11:13<juliopeppe>hi gys, any help ? about capture video software survillance?? on debian ... i get kick out my "pico200" on WINDOWS..
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11:31<juliopeppe>ANY , USING ZONEMINDER ??
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11:32<Bushmills>do you?
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12:08<phoenix>bonjour
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12:17<can>hi all
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12:18<can>van itt magyar?
12:18<daemonkeeper>!hu
12:18<dpkg>it has been said that hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
12:18<can>i have an issue and i need some help
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12:18<retrospectacus>!ask
12:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:19<can>!ask
12:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:22<Jimmothy>Hi, i am having trouble fixing errors in a DSDT file, can any of you direct me to a channel that might be able to help?
12:23<can>i put on a new debian 6 and the voice system can't make difference beetween the laptop speaker and the jack-plug , so for example if i pull down the pcm speaker volume it means that the headphone and the speaker both become quieter
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12:40<Samkov>I am on debian squeeze and am trying to mess around with hamachi, I basically want to lan some games over the internet with some windows clients and they cannot ping me from within hamachi
12:41<Samkov>does anyone have any experience with hamachi and linux, or perhaps someone could suggest a better alternative
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12:48<ompaul>Samkov: no idea what hamachi is, however their inability to ping your computer from within the game indicates you need to learn how to set up NAT on your router, suggest you put the model number into a seearch engine with the words howto setup nat
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12:49<ompaul>Samkov: and all that stuff is beyond the scope of #debian
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12:50<Guest22770>question: "By default, ExtFS reserves 5% of the file system for the user 'root' as a safety measure. To turn this off: tune2fs -r 0 /dev/sda2" --------> is this the annoying lost and found dir? what safety measure does it represent ? thanks
12:52<ompaul>Guest22770: no it is not the lost and found - and I turn it down to 1% because I want root to be able to log in if the machine is full
12:52<Guest22770>apparently it's the only thing that made me format all my externals to ntfs risking errors and stuff. ext4 was eating too much comparing to ntfs - 0
12:52<Guest22770>oh, so the root doesn't log if it's 100% full
12:52<ompaul>correct
12:52<Guest22770>anyway, it you get to that, you may boot with the debian live...
12:53<ompaul>which is why it reserves some - the 5% is old and
12:53<Guest22770>do you have the command somewhere to limit 1%?
12:53<ompaul>in the install
12:53<Guest22770>5% is too much for a 500 gb internal ...
12:54<ompaul>as I said in the install turn it down to 1% if you want more granular file a bug
12:54<ompaul>I don't care about space so I won't :)
12:54<Guest22770>ohhhh, in the install
12:54<Guest22770>no terminal command ?
12:54<Guest22770>screw it. i'll change it to 0% then :)
12:55<Guest22770>thanks for the info
12:55<Guest22770>i guess it boots with at least 50 mb space
12:55<Guest22770>that's the most extreme limit i could get to
12:55<ompaul>learn what your command does - you want a few k left over if the machine does fill up
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12:55<ompaul>then you can set it right
12:56<Guest22770>the man is too big
12:56<ompaul>so irc is faster - my that's a strange choice
12:56<Guest22770>yea
12:56<Guest22770>always
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12:57<Guest22770>it get's frustrating going through the man pages every time for minor crap
12:58<Guest22770>thanks for all the info though
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12:58<ompaul>quid pro quo
12:58<ompaul>quid pro quo
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13:22<lui-der-furz>hallo
13:22<lui-der-furz>wie instaliere ich tor auf ubuntu 11.10
13:22<towo-nb>!de
13:22<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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13:23<towo-nb>and here is #debian, not #ubuntu
13:23<lui-der-furz>oh sorry
13:23<towo-nb>what's hard to read the topic?
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13:25<TheBuntu>How do i upgrade from 6.0.3 to Wheezy...
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13:25<towo-nb>add wheezy to your sources and do a dist-upgrade
13:26<towo-nb>and then don't ask here,if you have problems
13:26<retrospectacus>TheBuntu: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy , follow his directions and proceed to #debian-next
13:26<TheBuntu>ok
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13:30<mercutio22>can someone remind me how to make aptitude search a package whose name contains a certain pattern? (i.e. list all packages having "hay" in their names)
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13:31<mercutio22>towo-nb: where should wheezy users be?
13:31<daemonkeeper>In #debian-next
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13:34<mercutio22>hmm
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13:34<mercutio22>alright. I've missusing #debian for years =]
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13:36<Jimmothy>Can anyone help with a DSDT error?
13:37<Bushmills>sounds ACPI'ish
13:37<Jimmothy>it is
13:37<Bushmills>old machine/BIOS?
13:37<Jimmothy>HP DV2-1010EA
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13:37<Jimmothy>dsdt.dsl 915: 0x00000000, // Length
13:37<Jimmothy>Error 4122 - ^ Invalid combination of Length and Min/Max fixed flags
13:37<Bushmills>try a BIOS upgrade
13:38<Jimmothy>I keep reading solutions but i cannot calculate the answer myself
13:38<Jimmothy>I'll have a look for one
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13:47<Jimmothy>None available
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13:50<grandemangekevin>salut !
13:50<retrospectacus>g'day
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13:51<grandemangekevin>exit
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13:52<slam>Jimmothy: possible solutions: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/
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14:05<Jimmothy>no luck sadly
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14:32<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to get the Postscript-Lexmark printer driver?
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14:35<slam>EmleyMoor: download the ppd file from the manufacturer, if he offers it. extract it from win drivers, if possible.
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14:37<EmleyMoor>slam: PPD files are supplied in the linux folder on the CD :-)
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15:01<holsta>How do I enable SNI on squeeze? There seems to be missing a piece as my apache httpd only serves https requests to one VirtualHost.
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15:02<holsta>If I set SSLStrictSNIVHostCheck On https requests fail and the logs claim there was no SNI information in the https request.
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15:02<holsta>When I test my browser (latest Chrome) against an SNI resource, SNI works fine.
15:02<holsta>Any pointers on how I find out what's missing?
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15:19<fatphil>Quick X question - is there an app which will show me where my mouse cursor is? (big cursor not enough - very poor eyesight). There used to be something on MS 'doze that did the job as an accessibility aid.
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15:20<fatphil>I'm not thinking of xeyes either, as that requires moving my eyes twice, and some extrapolation
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15:38<valdyn>fatphil: in gnome?
15:39<fatphil>valdyn: I have a pretty minimal system, no desktop environment. I use sawmill as my WM
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15:40<fatphil>hmmm, maybe a 'neko'-alike would do!
15:41<fatphil>(that was a joke, it wouldn't. but that's the level of complexity such a program would need)
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16:27<holsta>kiso: I'd rather have a clue about SNI in apache/mod_ssl.
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16:27<fatphil>and I'd like to know where my X cursor is
16:29<kiso>:D
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16:42<TheBuntu>whats the difference between testing wheezy and unstable sid ?
16:42<daemonkeeper>!introduction
16:42<dpkg>Debian is a free (as in <dfsg>) and universal operating system, best known for its <apt> package management. It mainly consists of three distributions <stable> (currently <Squeeze>), <testing> (currently <Wheezy>) and <unstable> (<Sid>). Each is further divided in several repositories, at least <main>, <contrib> and <non-free>. See also <overview>, <fundamentals>, <backports>, <security>, <general cli tutorial> and <reference>.
16:43<daemonkeeper>Proceed as you want /msg the bot
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16:48<vodka>is it dangerous to edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to read "allowed_users=anybody" instead of "allowed_users=console" corrected
16:48<valdyn>vodka: use dpkg-reconfigure x11-common instead
16:49<vodka>which means: open a terminal and write "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common"
16:49<vodka>noob here
16:50<valdyn>vodka: alright, but you figured it out
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16:51<dvorak>Hi! Can someone please tell me the command that checks if a variable exists?
16:52<retrospectacus>in what language
16:52<retrospectacus>bash?
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16:52<dvorak>yes.
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16:53<retrospectacus>test -n
16:53<retrospectacus>I guess
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16:54<valdyn>dvorak: "man bash", around line 172 (in the english version) has examples
16:54<babilen>dvorak: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/TestsAndConditionals and #bash on irc.freenode.net
16:54<valdyn>dvorak: rather, one example, theres more there
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16:56<phre4k>hello, I am trying to play a DV Video (at least mediainfo tells me the video file contains that codec) with vlc, but the player just says it doesn't support the "undf" format. How am I supposed to play the file?
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16:58<holsta>phre4k: undf is 'undefined'.
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16:58<phre4k>okay, but it is a dv video. I know that *g*
16:58<altmeta>phre4k: have a look at this link: http://superuser.com/questions/96794/what-format-is-undf
16:59<phre4k>I think it was created with the Windows Movie Maker...
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17:00<phre4k>mediainfo says format is "DV".
17:00<altmeta>phre4k: have you not the non-free codecs installed?
17:01<phre4k>yes I have, at least the gstreamer-ugly package
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17:03<altmeta>phre4k: have you installed the w32codecs package?
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17:03<phre4k>altmeta: er, it doesn't appear in Synaptic
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17:04<altmeta>phre4k: have a look at this page http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs
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17:07<phre4k>okay, now I find the w64codecs and try to install them.
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17:07<altmeta>phre4k: sorry assumed you where running 32-bit yeah, go for it, that should include most codecs
17:07<phre4k>didn't work either -.-
17:08<altmeta>phre4k: same error?
17:08<valdyn>!doesn't work
17:08<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
17:08<phre4k>altmeta: yeah, same error.
17:08<TheBuntu>im use to nvidia.. but on new pc with builtin ati...do i want the FGLRX / AMD Catalyst is the non-free proprietary display driver
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17:10<phre4k>fglrx is just a bit better in 2D and 3D acceleration, but normally the radeon drivers work well too.
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17:13<TheBuntu>ok
17:13<TheBuntu>thanks
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17:15<phre4k>hm, should I do a restart or something like that after installing the codecs?
17:15<TheBuntu>after installing the fglrx whats thev reason to Unload the radeon and drm modules
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17:16<valdyn>TheBuntu: the reason?
17:16<altmeta>phre4k: you shouldn't need to, you've reloaded VLC already right?
17:16<phre4k>altmeta: yeah, killed the process and restarted it
17:17<TheBuntu>valdyn, invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop.... modprobe -r radeon drm from http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze
17:17<phre4k>under Windows 7 the same file plays flawlessly with VLC without installing any additional codecs -.-
17:18<altmeta>phre4k: create a file to be a log file, start vlc as vlc --file-logging logfileyoucreated
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17:18<valdyn>TheBuntu: what reason do you need that 2 drivers for the same device at a time makes no sense?
17:19<TheBuntu>valdyn, ohh ok radeon is the cheap free xorg version
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17:20<phre4k>altmeta: there are no additional errors reported in the logfile.
17:21<retrospectacus>try playing it with mplayer - I can play some files with that but not with vlc
17:21<phre4k>should I use mplayer or mplayer2?
17:21<retrospectacus>there's an mplayer2?
17:22<phre4k>at least in the package list *g* - included some third-party-repos, maybe from there.
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17:22<phre4k>with mplayer I get a totally weird video output; I'll make a screen.
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17:24<phre4k>looks like that: http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1711/bildschirmfoto050120122.png
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17:25<altmeta>phre4k: have you only got 1 file in the the DV format?
17:25<phre4k>yep, it's on an old DVD I just dug up
17:26<retrospectacus>nice
17:26<retrospectacus>it's a DVD?
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17:27<retrospectacus>maybe try: mplayer dvd://
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17:27<phre4k>it is a data DVD with the DV file on it^^
17:27<phre4k>argh, this file is a pain in the arse.
17:28<valdyn>phre4k: did you run "file" on it?
17:28<retrospectacus>ah. ya what's "file" say it is?
17:28<phre4k>file outputs "data", mediainfo outputs "Format: DV"
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17:29<valdyn>phre4k: dv is not a format i have ever heared of
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17:30<phre4k>valdyn: It's called "Digital Video" and is a format you use with tape camcorders
17:30<retrospectacus>what is the filename extension?
17:30<valdyn>phre4k: apt-get install libdv-bin; playdv yourfile
17:30<jhutchins_wk>!beer valdyn
17:30*dpkg pours a pint of Gulden Drak for valdyn
17:30<phre4k>retrospectacus: it's AVI
17:30<valdyn>phre4k: however mplayer is suppoed to play this too
17:31<retrospectacus>nice
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17:31<jhutchins_wk>phre4k: Do you have debian-multimedia enabled?
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17:31<phre4k>jhutchins_wk: yes, I have.
17:32<phre4k>with playdv [file] I get the error "Parser error reading first header"
17:32<fatphil>dpkg - there's no such beer, it's Gulden Draak.
17:32<dpkg>no idea, fatphil
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17:32<valdyn>phre4k: http://61.153.44.88/transcode/0.6.14/dv.html
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17:34<phre4k>hm, I'll try a reboot, brb
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17:43<phre4k>so, I tried to play the file under Windows, but now even that does not work anymore. Maybe the DVD is just corrupted, it is back from 2007...
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18:17<arand_>Hmm, it seems like the preloaded-firmware netinstall iso has mismatched kernel version <-> modules, or at least it claims so and refuses to install... is there anywhere to reposrt bugs on this unofficial iso?
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18:19<streuner_>unofficial isos and BTS? :-)
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18:20<streuner_>well, you are out of luck then...
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18:20<retrospectacus>send them to whoever made the iso
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18:22<arand_>Problem is, I have no idea who makes the auto-builds at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/
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18:23<streuner_>well, who would be able to make an iso at all...
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18:23<streuner_>(most likely somebody from #debian-boot)
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18:24<arand_>streuner_: Ah, ok
18:24<abrotman>arand_: that installer is in development .. it may or may not work .. if you want a working installer, try the squeeze installer
18:25<retrospectacus>yeah the testing installer is more for testing the new installer, not installing testing ;)
18:25<streuner_>arand_: its not that hard to install the base system and copy the firmware into /lib/firmware then...
18:27<arand_>Well, I'm using the non-firmware version with a wired conn, atm, I seem to recall the same issue with the firmware-isos before, guess I should check a couble of them and see it's it's a long-standing issue
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18:28<streuner_>arand_: for stable ;-)
18:29<streuner_>arand_: stable installer, i think...
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18:29<streuner_>arand_: use that
18:30<arand_>streuner_: I've fired off the testing installer already and it seems to work, It'll just have to remain plugged for a while :)
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18:59<pattern>a question for you
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18:59<pattern>how many packages does your system have?
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18:59<retrospectacus>1762
18:59<pattern>so many
18:59<pattern>i start to get mad at 900
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19:00<retrospectacus>why?
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19:00<pattern>because they are tooo many
19:00<retrospectacus>packages are bad now?
19:00<pattern>the system is bloated imho
19:00<pattern>no they are not bad
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19:00<jhutchins_lt>pattern: It's only got what you've installed on it.
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19:01<pattern>sure
19:01<retrospectacus>:|
19:01<pattern>but sometimes you install a package that carries many deps
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19:01<pattern>and use only a little part of its functionalities
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19:02<pattern>then, when you try to remove it...
19:02<pattern>its a mess
19:02<abrotman>pfft .. i have over 2400
19:02<pattern>even with deborphan and similars
19:02<retrospectacus>this workstation has 1762. I have also many servers, some have as few as 183
19:02<pattern>wow
19:02<abrotman>pattern: are you using aptitude or apt-get ?
19:02<pattern>aptitude now
19:02<pattern>because marks automated packages
19:02<abrotman>yeah, i've had servers with like 100 packages .. but i actually use quite a variety of stuff on this laptop
19:03<pattern>and removes them :)
19:03<pattern>in this moment
19:03<pattern>i refomratted my syystem
19:03<pattern>reformatted
19:03<pattern>after using xfce
19:03<pattern>now im installing ratpoison
19:03<Bushmills>!enter
19:03<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:04<pattern>and few x-dependant packages
19:04<abrotman>don't think he cares
19:04<pattern>who
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19:04<retrospectacus>pattern: what's your question
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20:51<mike89>Is there a good union filesystem packaged for debian? I looked at aufs, but it is too old for my kernel. The rest are all userspace.
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20:56<infinity0>mike89: if you only need to splice directories, have a look at mount --bind
20:56<infinity0>otherwise i dunno sorry ¬.¬
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21:46<Infiltrator>Does anybody know why libboost-serialisation-dev v1.48.0.2 depends on libbost-serialisation1.46-dev whereas v1.48.0.1 correctly depends on libbost-serialisation1.48-dev?
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22:05<deansu>Infiltrator: there was transition issues with libboost 1.48 and it was rolled back until the packages that break on 1.48 are fixed
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22:07<deansu>Infiltrator: http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20111211032349.GA27989@sumost.ca
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22:11<Infiltrator>deansu: Ah, I see. But I've not had any problems; so would it be alright for me to keep 1.48 installed?
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22:12<Infiltrator>(I'm not very knowlegable in packages and the like.)
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22:15<deansu>Infiltrator: 1.48 and 1.46 can be happily installed side by side, just some packages that build-depend on the unversioned -dev packages ran into issues when the version it pointed to changed
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22:16<Infiltrator>deansu: Really? Because aptitude is telling me that 1.48 and 1.46 conflict. :\
22:17<Infiltrator>(Which is the only reason I noticed anything.)
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22:18<deansu>Infiltrator: sorry you're right, misread dpkg. but there should be nothing wrong with 1.48 being installed
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22:19<Infiltrator>deansu: Okay, thanks for that.
22:19<iloveidiot>hi
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22:20<Infiltrator>By the way, probably not the correct channel to ask, but how do I stop aptitude from prefering uninstalling to upgrading (to experimental)?
22:21<Infiltrator>I know about making experimental a higher tag value than unstable, but I don't want everything else to be bumped to experimental; only things that I've bumped myself.
22:23<retrospectacus>!pinning
22:23<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
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22:23<retrospectacus>Infiltrator: testing/unstable channel is #debian-next
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22:26<Infiltrator>retrospectacus: Thanks.
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22:57<user01>I get a gstreamer error when i try to playback quicktime mov files shot with my canon camera, with vlc it is completely green, and with a kde player itis half green half video . .. any ideas to correct? :)
22:57<user01>w64codecs installed
22:57<user01>debian squeeze OS
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22:58<user01>i tried the self contained vlc for windows on my my friends computer and the files play fine
22:59<user01>so it is some kind of gstreamer issue perhaps
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