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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-09

---Logopened Mon Jan 09 00:00:49 2012
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00:07<unstopablex>hello
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00:49<Fighter747>Question: I have mozilla firefox downloaded on debian, how do I go about installing it via command line?
00:50<simonlnu>unpack the tarball somewhere and symlink 'firefox' to somewhere in your PATH like /usr/local/bin
00:50<jm_>why don't you use iceweasel? if you insist on using that, then you'll have to find an answer via their support channels, but AFAIR it's just a matter of untarring it somewhere
00:50<simonlnu>and yes, easier to just use iw
00:51<Fighter747>never heard of iw
00:51<simonlnu>iceweasel
00:51<simonlnu>!iceweasel
00:51<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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00:52*Fighter747 is a total newb at debian and linux in general
00:53<jm_>make sure to ask dpkg about "iceweasel backports" to learn how to get the latest version
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00:55<medicalwei>i have a problem having two ip in the same network. the secondary ip cannot be connected.
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01:03<gazou>bonsoir
01:04<gazou>j'ai une petite question sûr la configuration d' apt
01:04<ashok>Hi, I would like to know about any compression technology implemented and used in the postfix mail queue.
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01:26<AgentC>g.morning
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01:56<arinov>how can i use network printer which connected to windows computer?
01:56<arinov>when i try to find it - i dont see any windows devices or samba lists in printer configuration application
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02:07<AgentC>arinov: cups must be installed/configureed , then you need a samba-cfg entry
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02:10<arinov>AgentC, i have cups but cant find samba-cfg in synaptic
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02:52<gigiuzzo>msg nomebot xdcc list
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03:31<ewr>yo anyone in here? i got what is likely a simple problem
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03:31<ewr>http://pastebin.com/ecm7b8wZ <--- cant get /etc/rc.local to execute those commands
03:31<ewr>what am I doing wrong?
03:32<ewr>it only executes the first
03:32<ewr>runs the program, but the other 3 dont get ran
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03:39<deansu>ewr: 'note, it wont automatically fork into the background.'
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03:48<sirely>hey
03:49<sirely>what is the 3.1 kernel?
03:49<AgentC>the newest one
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03:50<koollman>the newest one is 3.2 :)
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03:52<sirely>which is at sid..?
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03:52<sirely>wasn't x.1.x the experimental version of the kernel?
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03:56<sirely>and it also only works on single CPU single core computers...?
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04:02<jm_>judd kernels
04:02<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
04:02<sirely>judd explain kernels
04:03<sirely>ok..
04:03<jm_>sirely: the odd/even version number scheme is no longer true, besides, as you may have noticed they changed from 4 numbered versions to 3 numbered versions
04:03<sirely>just throwing kernel versions at me doesn't help a bit
04:03<jm_>it answers one of the questions you had
04:04<sirely>true
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04:11<sirely>ok, none of this makes sense to me, and I tried googling it. is there a basic guide that gives a little bit of order in this?
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04:34<StarBlessed>Hey folks. Can I please ask someone to give me a hand? Im having issues with a re-install and the ati proprietary catalyst (11.12) drivers. Any guru floating around that might like to stretch his skills a little? *grin*
04:35<Bushmills>no "guru" will respond to "i have issues"
04:35<StarBlessed>Hehe! Thanks Bushmills. Ill pastebin the error.
04:37<StarBlessed>Ok, so Ive followed the cchtml wiki, like I have many times in the past, but this time I got this error : http://pastebin.com/MtSkCHaM
04:37<StarBlessed>Maybe Im using the wrong kernel? Hmmmph
04:38<jm_>try #ati (irc.freenode.net)
04:39<StarBlessed>oh...
04:40<StarBlessed>ok...
04:40<Bushmills> /usr/X11R6 is not a directory used with debian. there's only one package, wily, whch puts files below such a location
04:41<StarBlessed>Ok, is that something I can repair? Or change? Im sorry, the nitty gritty is not something Im familiar with.
04:41<Bushmills>and i figure that has long been reported as bug :)
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04:41<StarBlessed>Oh. Gotcha. Thanks Bushmills
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04:46<learnhowtolearn>I have got a HP Compaq nc6400 and I have got a problem with how cpufreq-info works, it doesn't get the information right ("no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU"), therefore acpi doesn't work as it should and the battery lasts much less. It's got a dual core. How can I force cpufreq to recognize my CPU?
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04:48<jm_>learnhowtolearn: did you load any cpufreq modules at all? note that they are not (yet) auto-loaded
04:48<jm_>oh well
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05:00<learnhowtolearn>I have got a HP Compaq nc6400 and I have got a problem with how cpufreq-info works, it doesn't get the information right ("no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU"), therefore acpi doesn't work as it should and the battery lasts much less. It's got a dual core. How can I force cpufreq to recognize my CPU?
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05:05<jm_>learnhowtolearn: did you load any cpufreq modules at all? note that they are not (yet) auto-loaded
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05:07<jm_>actually just installing cpufrequtils might help since it then tries to load the right one
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05:34<jasonsmr>hello channel
05:34<jasonsmr>anyone using apache2 ?
05:34<jasonsmr>with php5
05:34<jasonsmr>and knoticed tthat there is a change in php usage (the way that it is called) from x-httpd ?
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05:35<afuentes>what happens when you run out of space to allocate new extends in ext4? is not allowed to write anymore even tho there are tons of blocks available?
05:35<jasonsmr>now the apache call "SetHandler" is used opposed to AddType
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05:38<jasonsmr>to be blunt, what Im trying to do:: I want to use the libapache-mod_suphp package to allow php scripts to be run under a particular user
05:40<jasonsmr>im using debian squeese and apache2 and a voipsoftware freeswitch
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05:41<jasonsmr>any help is appreaceated
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05:58<tom453642356>hello, i think the debian "update cds" are confusing.
05:58<tom453642356>i am downloading alpha cds: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.9/alpha/iso-cd/
05:58<tom453642356>in that directory there is debian-509-alpha
05:59<tom453642356>but then there is also debian-update-5.0.9-alpha
05:59<tom453642356>according to FAQ, "update" cds are supposed to upgrade from .0 release to .9 release
05:59<tom453642356>does that mean the debian-509-alpha cds are already updated? and the "update" cds are only for someone using debian 5.0.0?
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06:00<tom453642356>looks like noone is awake
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06:01<tom453642356>learnhowtolearn, would u be a debian expert?
06:03<deansu>tom453642356: it looks like you are correct, that debian-update cds are for offline updates not installable media
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06:04<tom453642356>deansu: so if i download the 509 cds, they have all the latest updates?
06:04<tom453642356>then i would have to ask: why are there 7 update cds, and only 3 install cds?
06:05<simonlnu>and why are you fetching lenny, and not squeeze?
06:05<tom453642356>ALPHA
06:05<simonlnu>lenny is going away very soon.
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06:05<simonlnu>yes
06:06<simonlnu>no squeeze for alpha?
06:06<tom453642356>correct
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06:06<simonlnu>the updates usually are a full cd. oh damn, sorry to hear. you'd have to build stuff etc. that sucks.
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06:07<tom453642356>yep
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06:08<tom453642356>could someone please explain why there are 3 debian-509-alpha install cds, but 7 upgrade cds?
06:08<gsimmons>dpkg: missing images
06:08<dpkg>Not all Debian CD/DVD images are made available for download due to space considerations on mirrors. If required, use jigdo to produce these using a Debian mirror; ask me about <jigdo> and <mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#not-all-images
06:09<tom453642356>dpkg jigdo
06:09<dpkg>Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/
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06:09<simonlnu>!cd contents
06:09<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/).
06:10<tom453642356>i went to jigdo web page, there is no ALPHA support in current debian
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06:11<simonlnu>so use lenny :/
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06:11<tom453642356>yes i am downloading lenny
06:11<simonlnu>don't have a choice
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06:12<tom453642356>but i am wondering, why are there 3 debian-509-alpha install cds, but 7 upgrade cds?
06:12<simonlnu>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.9/alpha/list-cd/ # see here, look at the contents files
06:13<simonlnu>you'll get an idea then. i don't know, and you can help yourself.
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06:13<tom453642356>simonlu, thank you, that provides some more questions though
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06:14<tom453642356>the list cd directory shows 30 cds, but in the iso-cd, there's only 3 available to download
06:14<gsimmons>tom453642356: Yes, dpkg explained why that was. Use jigdo to produce any other images (if necessary) from a mirror site.
06:15<simonlnu>i don't know there either. match by name, that i do know.
06:15<tom453642356>i see, the jigdo directory has 30 cd images
06:15<tom453642356>thank you its clear now
06:15<simonlnu>ooh
06:15<tom453642356>if i want the ENTIRE debian lenny i have to use jigdo to create cds 4 - 30
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06:16<simonlnu>pretty much
06:17<tom453642356>dare i ask how on earth debian managed to get to a size of 30 cds, approx 20gb? i guess thats every open source application ever written!?
06:19<jm_>it started with 1 CD way back :)
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06:19<babilen>It's every single Debian package, which covers a good portion of the open source software that is available.
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06:22<tom453642356>i know i can't tell debian how to run their business :), but if i was making a distribution i would ensure it fits on 1 dvd / 6 cds. then possibly have another blu-ray download named "internet mirror" or similar, which contains all the other less common packages
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06:24<babilen>tom453642356: We provide DVDs and Blu-Ray images, but provide CD images in addition to them. BD didn't exist some years ago, so it didn't really made sense to provide images ;)
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06:24<tom453642356>yes my point is it there should be a clear separation, have the main dvd install image, then other less common packages would simply sit on an internet ftp server, and if you want you can download them all to your hard drive
06:25<tom453642356>instead of 20 install cds
06:25<tom453642356>which have everything
06:25<jm_>that's exactly how it is now
06:25<tom453642356>not really
06:25<jm_>you can use 1 CD and install the rest via apt
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06:26<tom453642356>and is it easy to download all the packages and point apt at your local hard drive (or local network drive)?
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06:31<heikkila>tom453642356, yes, it is easy to make a mirror, but is it necessary? You just download updates whenever they come out, no need to download update cd's.
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06:32<babilen>tom453642356: Those are in fact not all installation CDs -- We provide the business and netinstall images for installation + CD/DVD/BD images of which the first can be used for installing as well.
06:33<tom453642356>i have found a web site explaining apt-mirror
06:33<tom453642356>i will download everything using apt-mirror
06:33<tom453642356>then i can have it sitting on my hard drive
06:33<babilen>tom453642356: You could also look into apt-cacher-ng or an nginx based solution.
06:33<tom453642356>one day debian might decide to remove the 509 directory :(
06:34<delliott>What is the recommended approach to installing gcc3.3 on Wheezy with gcc4.6.2?
06:34<tom453642356>so apt-mirror wil be my backup
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06:34<babilen>tom453642356: You'll find it in the archive then
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06:35<tom453642356>yes but you never know, debian is under no obligation to keep the archives there forever
06:35<babilen>tom453642356: See http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
06:35<babilen>tom453642356: I don't deem it very likely to disappear, but sure go on and save whatever you want/need.
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06:36<delliott>tom453642356, I tried to download the 4.0 ISO yesterday and it was difficult to find.
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06:36<tom453642356>i will create my own mirror using apt-mirror
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06:37<tom453642356>it also had advantage, should i reinstall debian, its much quicker
06:37<tom453642356>-d+s
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06:46<tom453642356>i read a tutorial about apt-mirror: http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror
06:46<tom453642356>a question: where does it specify the architecture (eg ALPHA, AMD64 etc)
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06:46<tom453642356>i only want to mirror the ALPHA packages.....
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07:04<thehf>hi, i installed debian wheezy, and used my old Xorg.conf from slackware, my third mosue button stopped working and i cant use copy&paste function. http://paste.debian.net/151523/
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07:11<babilen>!tell thehf -about empty xorg.conf
07:11<babilen>!tell thehf -about xorg.conf.d
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07:12<thehf>empty xorg is also not working
07:12<babilen>thehf: I would start with an empty xorg.conf (i.e. no xorg.conf) and then add device snippets that are needed in xorg.conf.d -- If you still can't use your mouse we have to investigate further, but my working hypothesis right now is that your xorg.conf is wrong ;)
07:14<thehf>first i started with no file, worked well, but also no thrid button, then i generated a conf file with Xorg --configure
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07:14<thehf>and added options from my old slackware file
07:14<babilen>thehf: Ah, ok. You are probably missing some settings in that case -- I would look into synclient/xinput to figure out the setting you need in real time. You can then set it accordindly in xorg.conf.d
07:15<thehf>this third button is also not working at any game. is synclient only for notebook touchpads?
07:16<babilen>thehf: Yes, synclient queries synaptics hardware
07:17<babilen>thehf: But xinput should work for all input devices
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07:17<thehf>what is the diffrence between xserver-xorg-input- "evdev" "synaptics" and "mouse" ?
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07:18<thehf>babilen, where is this xinput file located?
07:18<babilen>Different drivers -- Evdev is a generic input interface of the kernel, synaptics is the synaptics driver with a different set of supported hardware and options and mouse escapes me right now.
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07:19<babilen>thehf: It is a program and you might have to install it. Run "xinput --list" to list recognised devices and then "xinput --list-props 'the name of the device'" to list the currently configuration
07:20<babilen>!tell thehf -about synaptics
07:20<babilen>!tell thehf -about evdev
07:20<babilen>thehf: Is this about a real mouse or a laptop buttons?
07:20<thehf>i have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics an evdev installed, but not installed "-mouse"
07:21<thehf>a real one, logitech, not a new model, my slackware system was old too
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07:22<thehf>aaah, now i got it.. private msg from dpkg... ok i'll check that link out
07:22<babilen>thehf: Try it without a xorg.conf and all -input- packages installed. They are not a huge download and it will rule out the missing-driver scenario. -- Most easily installed by installing the xserver-xorg-input-all metapackage.
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07:23<babilen>thehf: I'd like to add that the link in the evdev factoid looks *really* old. It might not be valid anymore.
07:24<babilen>thehf: I would suggest to install applicable -input- packages, remove your Xorg.conf and *then* investigate in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and with xinput. You might want to paste it to http://paste.debian.net so we can take a look.
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07:25<thehf>this is what i got with synaptic -> http://s1.bild.me/bilder/060112/7117203xorg.jpg meta package -all is installed but -mouse not. should i add -mouse?
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07:27<babilen>yeah
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07:28<thehf>ok, thank you! restarting xserver...
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07:29<babilen>thehf: I don't think you need -mouse though, but its worth a try. It might just be a configuration problem -- Please also note that if you use gnome or another DE it might also provide tools to configure/change the mouse behaviour.
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07:32<thehf>babilen, i get a no screens where found error, is it possible to remove only that mouse section from xorg.conf?
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07:37<babilen>sure
07:38<thehf>ok, restart
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07:38<babilen>thehf: You probably need to configure your display driver if you use something like fglrx or nvidia -- I am afk for a little while, but you might still want to paste some hard data, so we can take a look.
07:38<babilen>argh
07:38<babilen>*sigh(
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07:51<thehf>mmh, nope http://paste.debian.net/151526/
07:51<thehf>12 buttons? uhm?!
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08:21<omid>debian is bad
08:23<omid>now i know that why ubuntu and mint whom are based on debian are more popular than debian itself
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08:23<mosno_>omid: the only thing bad is your grammar
08:24<omid>i cannot even reboot my system
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08:25<jm_>linux kernel supports several different reboot vectors if that's the issue
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08:26<omid>the KDE seems ancient . how can i update it to 4.7.4 ?
08:27<abrotman>omid: and why can't you reboot Debian ?
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08:27<powerlocke>find
08:27*abrotman thinks measuring a distro on its ease of reboot is probably not a good metric ...
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08:27<omid>abrotman: i dont know. i'm newbie . i have worked with few distros(mostly opensuse) before debian. i could easily reboot there. but in debian the problem is when i want to reboot several messages are shown and then it takes me back to the login screen
08:28<abrotman>omid: oddly, those messages are important .. if you can't tell us what they are, we can't help you solve the issue
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08:28<omid>abrotman: how can i copy all of them while it skips very quickly and i dont have a tool to copy them
08:29<abrotman>you could read them for a start .. maybe try to summarize
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08:30<abrotman>omid: but before you do all of this .. your KDE will probably be a larger problem for you in the end
08:30<omid>i dont want to upset you guys and i'm very thankful of your job but maybe debian is not the best OS for me
08:30<abrotman>that may be so ...
08:30<abrotman>omid: other distros are more geared toward less technical users and people happily use them
08:31<omid>ubuntu has strange problems with my system
08:31<omid>another problem that i have is linux kernel 3.1
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08:31<abrotman>okay, but we don't support Ubuntu here
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08:31<stinkfish>is it worth using allow-hotplug on a server? or is it mainly for laptops ?
08:32<omid>that kernel cause me problems. i dont know why but when i use a distro with kernel 3.1 my network and wireless gets disconnected for no appearant reason(tested on opensuse 12.1 , fedora 16 , chakra 2011/12) but distros using linux kernel 3.0 or older work fine
08:32<abrotman>stinkfish: probably .. what if your NOC dude trips over the cable
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08:32<stinkfish>abrotman: ah yes. good point
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08:33<abrotman>stinkfish: and in reality . what does it hurt ?
08:34<stinkfish>abrotman: does allow-hotplug also imply auto or do you still need to specify that?
08:35<omid>brb
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08:35<abrotman>stinkfish: implies auto
08:35<abrotman>well .. implies it will bring it up if there's a link
08:35<stinkfish>sure. thanks :)
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08:38<mosno_>where is APT::Get::Purge documented?
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08:45<muhammad-devan>hy all
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08:47<stinkfish>mosno: I'd imagine in the apt docs under /user/share/doc
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09:23<mosno>i'm guessing it's a bad idea to interrupt dpkg while it's running
09:23<mosno>i accidentally hit G in aptitude to proceed with the action, but i hadn't finished auditing the list
09:23<mosno>s/G/g/
09:24<SynrG>it is designed to be recoverable
09:24<mosno>SynrG: it's just that i noticed ^C wasn't doing much
09:24<SynrG>debian policy, 6.2. "It is necessary for the error recovery procedures that the scripts be idempotent. This means that if it is run successfully, and then it is called again, it doesn't bomb out or cause any harm, but just ensures that everything is the way it ought to be. If the first call failed, or aborted half way through for some reason, the second call should merely do the things that were left undone the first time, if any, and exit ...
09:24<SynrG>... with a success status if everything is OK."
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09:25<tp43_>I can't turn off my screensaver,
09:25<SynrG>hmm. s/that the scripts/of the scripts/ ?
09:26<Zaba>SynrG, no, why?
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09:26<tp43_>i killed xdg-screensaver, and even did xset -dpms, which worked last time, but it isn't working anymore
09:26<SynrG>Zaba: doesn't look like proper English to me
09:26<mosno>SynrG: i suppose the next step is to see if aptitude has a configuration option that passes the ^C to dpkg
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09:26<SynrG>oh ...
09:26<Zaba>SynrG, but it is
09:26<SynrG>yes, it is
09:26<SynrG>yes, on a re-read.
09:28<SynrG>still, awkward, leading easily to my initial misreading
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09:29<SynrG>It is necessary for [the sake of the] error recovery procedures that the scripts be idempotent (or simpler: "The error recovery procedures require that the scripts be idempotent."
09:32<tp43_>idempotent...wtf
09:32<SynrG>there's no better term. look it up.
09:32<mosno>it's a great word
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09:35<tp43_>I don't think applies to scripts
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09:39<moulip>Hi there
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09:39<moulip>does anynone have an idea of when does the 3.2 kernel will be available in SID ?
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09:44<weebl>anyone know what might be preventing writing to xvideo?
09:45<weebl>mplayer -vo xv doesnt give any video, only sound, yet mplayer -vo x11 works just fine
09:46<weebl>but vlc doesn't want to write to x11, or xvideo
09:46<weebl>and all other programs doesn't display video either
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09:49<abrotman>moulip: when it's ready .. not before
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09:50<moulip>abrotman: as usual ;-)
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09:50<moulip>thx
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09:53<abrotman>moulip: it's also only been out for uh .. four days?
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09:55<tp43_>I can stop my screensaver
09:55<tp43_>cant
09:56<tp43_>last time xset -dpms worked, but strangely, it isn't working anymore
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10:00<blast007>I submit a bug (# 655226) requesting the removal of a package that is no longer maintained upstream. Is it up to the package maintainer to approve/complete the removal?
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10:19<dtw>blast007, I think so, or sometimes QA team. The maintainer can choose to maintain it in Debian anyway.
10:20<blast007>well, problem is that the maintainer for our project upstream is the maintainer of our package in debian ;)
10:20<blast007>and he's not doing much for maintaining in either area...
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10:21<daemonkeeper>blast007: Packages can be orphaned (too), giving anyone the chance to take over it.
10:21<tp43_>this is driving me nuts, how the heck do you turn off the screensaver, its like a powerful overlord of my computer that doesn't die
10:21<daemonkeeper>blast007: However, a dead upstream does not justify a package removal by itself.
10:22<abrotman>does the package still work ?
10:22<blast007>daemonkeeper: the package itself is also outdated
10:22<blast007>it is version 2.0.16
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10:22<blast007>current stable release of our game is 2.4.0, and 2.0.x is not compatible with 2.4
10:22<daemonkeeper>blast007: So, you really want to update it, instead of removing it?
10:22<blast007>well, that'd be one option
10:22<abrotman>blast007: is upstream interested in havinga more update package in Debain ?
10:22<blast007>not really
10:23<abrotman>they don't care about Debian and child distros that import Debian ppackages?
10:23<blast007>development of the game is pretty much ceased
10:23<abrotman>okay, but do people still play it?
10:23<blast007>yes
10:23<abrotman>is it functionally broken somehow ?
10:23<abrotman>so a newer package would be preferred, not remval
10:23<blast007>there isn't any players in 2.0.x
10:24<blast007>*shrug*
10:24<blast007>the game is in a downward spiral overall
10:24<abrotman>blast007: there is already a bug that the current version doesn't connect to thte 2.4 servers
10:25<abrotman>that could be made into an RC bug i suppose ...
10:25<daemonkeeper>abrotman: Yup. and merge it with blast007's bug.
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10:25<abrotman>i'd probably just cancel his bug ..
10:26<abrotman>make 649144 an RC bug .. if no one fixes it, it'll be removed
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10:26<abrotman>(also note that it has a bug for an out of date builddep)
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10:26<jordanm>there really isn't a reason to remove a package just because it is not maintained upstream, unless its not maintained *and* has some type of serious flaw
10:26<daemonkeeper>ack
10:26<daemonkeeper>However, I guess the maintainer is MIA
10:26<abrotman>well, currently it has a large flaw ..
10:27<daemonkeeper>abrotman: Yes, but an update could solve that.
10:27<abrotman>daemonkeeper: riker? probably .. apt is his bot, but haven't seen him in ages
10:27<blast007>it's just confusing when players install the game but don't have anyone to play with..
10:27<jordanm>yeah, but that flaw can be resolved by debian, without upstream
10:27<daemonkeeper>Maybe it is time to orphan the package.
10:28<jordanm>if it gets pushed onto debian-games maint, it will probably get updated
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10:28<abrotman>blast007: see 649144 .. riase that severity .. close your bug .. if no one steps up, the package will go away
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10:28<blast007>there was some discussion with the games team about this
10:28<daemonkeeper>Yes, unless abrotman is enthusiastic to do that, I'll send out some mails.
10:28<abrotman>daemonkeeper: take it over?
10:29*abrotman hasn't played bzflag in five? years
10:29<daemonkeeper>abrotman: No, bug handling, poking the QA team and asking the games team.
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10:29<abrotman>blast007: does the games team want to take the package?
10:29<daemonkeeper>Well, and maybe NMU it.
10:29<blast007>there was some interest, yes, but I'd have to talk to them again
10:30<abrotman>blast007: i'd go that route .. remind them that the 2.0 in Debian is basically useless
10:30<blast007>ok
10:30<abrotman>blast007: and tell them if there's no action, you'll change 649144 to an RC bug so the package gets removed
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10:30*abrotman is pretty sure you can't play bzflag solo without a server
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10:31<blast007>abrotman: yeah, would need at least a server run locally, and the bots are ... less than challenging..
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10:31<abrotman>blast007: also note there is a #debian-games
10:31<blast007>yup, I'm already there
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10:32<abrotman>okay
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10:34<abrotman>blast007: at any rate, i'd close your bug and make a note that you're trying to get the package updated first
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10:35*daemonkeeper is working on that
10:35<daemonkeeper>A removal request against the bug is wrong anyway.
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10:35<daemonkeeper>s/bug/package/
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10:37<abrotman>oh wait, the -server is packaged, so it's not totally useless .. it functionally works .. albeit .. badly
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10:48<daemonkeeper>FWIW: Sent out a mail to relevant bugs and people.
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10:51<abrotman>!beer daemonkeeper
10:51*dpkg pulls out an excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for daemonkeeper
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11:11<amoe_>Is there any writable compressed filesystem that works well with squeeze?
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11:14<jhutchins_wk>amoe_: Yes.
11:14<amoe_>jhutchins_wk: what is it?
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11:19<Black_Prince>squashfs + aufs work fine :P
11:21<amoe_>just googled that a little, basically having a read-only squashfs backing and using aufs to make it writable? cool, I never heard of that before.
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11:22<Black_Prince>aufs is union file system
11:23<Black_Prince>it will unite writable media and read only ... and it will write changes on writable one while you can always reset to original content of squash image
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11:23<Black_Prince>If you ever tried Debian Live with persistence, you'll know what I am talking about.
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11:25<amoe_>would data written to the combined filesystem be stored compressed? or is it just the initial static data that is stored in the squashfs?
11:25<Black_Prince>static data is stored compressed
11:25<Black_Prince>but other is on normal file system
11:25<Black_Prince>like ext(2,3,4) xfs jfs reiserfs etc
11:25<amoe_>I was hoping for an FS that does transparent compression/decompression on all data
11:25<Black_Prince>that would be painful
11:26<amoe_>painfully slow?
11:26<Black_Prince>probably
11:26<Black_Prince>I never tried it tough
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11:27<amoe_>apparently btrfs can do it, but it's still an experimental patch AFAIR
11:28<Black_Prince>whole btrfs is experimental
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11:56<afuentes>what happens when you run out of space to allocate new extends in ext4? is not allowed to write anymore even tho there are tons of blocks available?
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12:09<poulac58>hi
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12:13<luigi>salve
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12:13<luigi>!list
12:13<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
12:14<luigi>list
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12:19<ompaul>!it
12:19<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:19<jhutchins_wk>amoe_: The biggest problem with a writable compressed filesystem is that you can never trust the available free space, because you can't perfectly predict the compression.
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12:20<jhutchins_wk>amoe_: Unless you have so much free space that you loose the point of compression, or you have a sub-system on a larger filesystem with essentially unlimited room to grow you end up writing a file that doesn't fit and destroying the filesystem.
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12:21<jhutchins_wk>amoe_: They've improved the way filesystems deal with this, but unless you're in an extreme situation with something like an embedded OS it just doesn' t give you enough of an advantage to balance the risks.
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12:28<tp43_>this is rediculous, I can't turn off the darn screensaver
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12:29<dserban>while I realize it's not affiliated to debian, but is the debian-multimedia repo permanently down?
12:29<tp43_>dserban, why do you say that, I doubt it
12:30<dserban>have you loaded the web page? or did I go to the wrong site?
12:30<blast007>tp43_: I'm assuming you looked in the screensaver settings? ;)
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12:30<dserban>404 not founds and the web page has a faint logo on it
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12:32<Nanor>hey guys
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12:32<Nanor>I'm having a bit of bother with using my laptop as a bridge
12:32<tp43_>blast007, I killed xdg-screensaver, and shutdown xfce-powermanagement, and even entered xset -dpms, xset dpms off, xset dpms force off, but no luck, I just tried xset dpms 0, so lets see
12:32<blast007>dserban: looks up to me
12:32<Nanor>Anyone able to offer me some advice?
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12:33<tp43_>Nanor, you must say more than that
12:33<Nanor>Sorry
12:33<Nanor>I was following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
12:33<Nanor>I followed the GUI method and did everything it says
12:33<blast007>tp43_: have you gone to the settings manager and then to the screensaver item and set the 'mode' to disabled?
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12:34<Nanor>When I plug an ethernet cable from my desktop to my laptop it works fine for a bit but then ubuntu on my laptop keeps telling me that the wired connection is disconnecting and reconnectin
12:34<tp43_>blast007, settings manager? I went to xfce-powermanager, and set it to 60mins, but the screensaver comes after 15mins
12:34<dserban>hmm... http://debian-multimedia.org correct?
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12:35<jhutchins_wk>!ubuntu
12:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:35<tp43_>dserban, it works for me
12:35<Nanor>Oh, sorry!
12:35<jhutchins_wk>Nanor: THat is exactly the kind of thing where Debian and Ubuntu are different. Please don't try to get Debian help for a non-Debian system.
12:36<Nanor>I'm sorry, I'm new to this and don't really know the difference
12:36<dserban>tp43_, hmm... not for me... odd
12:36<dserban>it comes up with a white page with a big greyed out logo with the letters vh
12:36<jhutchins_wk>Nanor: We're a bit touchy about it because we've spent hours trying to help people only to discover that our advice won't work because they're not actually running Debian.
12:37<canaima>#debian
12:37<dserban>Nanor, best to ditch ubuntu imho =)
12:37<tp43_>ubuntu sucks
12:37<tp43_>never again personnally
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13:24<marcel_>I struggle with autossh. Whenever I reboot the remote machine autossh asks for key passphrase. I thought it's supposed to remember this and 'redial' the broken connection for me. What can I be doing wrong? (`autossh user@remote -R 2222:localhost:22') Thank you for help
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13:36<tp43_>blast007, settings manager? I went to xfce-powermanager, and set it to 60mins, but the screensaver comes after 15mins
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13:37<retrospectacus>tp43_: /msg dpkg screen blanking - there are some other things to try
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13:44<tp43_>thx retrospectacus
13:45<blast007>tp43_: dunno. I don't use xfce currently, so I was just looking at screenshots of an xfce settings manager.
13:45<retrospectacus>np
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13:56<tp43_>I turned off everything, and set xset dpms 3600, but nothing works, I am at a loss
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14:16<amoe_>jhutchins_wk: thanks for the explanation, makes sense now.
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14:19<jhutchins_wk>amoe_: I ran a BBS on a compressed filesystem back when disk space was a lot more expensive and spent several holidays rebuilding it when it ran out of space.
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14:25<amoe_>ouch :)
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14:25<madduck>what tool can I use to proxy an IPv6 socket to a local IPv4 socket?
14:25<madduck>I would like to be able to connect to a given service with both, IPv6 or IPv4.
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14:35<kop>madduck: socat does everything.
14:36<kop>madduck: You may or may not have luck with netcat.
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14:50<madduck>right, I was looking for more of a daemon that I could just configure and it would work, not a tool that I can use to write such a daemon in shell ;)
14:50<madduck>heck, this is Debian, not Gentoo ;)
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14:52<abrotman>iptables can't do that?
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14:54<madduck>i don't think iptables can translate between families
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14:56<Faryus>newb question: can I change 'sdb' and 'sdc' to 'sda' and 'sdb' after installation?
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15:12<zykotick9>Faryus: you should probably be using UUIDs or LABELs instead
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15:16<Faryus>zykotick9: can I add labels after installing? I'm currently doing a netinstall and am at 53%
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15:19<zykotick9>Faryus: yes, labelling after install is fine. use e2label
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15:21<yznou>hello everybody, i'm using Squeeze and i have a little problem with "kleopatra". when creating a new certificate, i cannot type in a passwort to protect this new cert. do i have to use kgpg or is there a way in kleopatra i dont see?
15:21<Faryus>thanks zykotick9
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15:34<niag>hi debian brotherhood
15:34<niag>someone skilled in debian-armel flavor?
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15:35<daemonkeeper>niag: #debian-arm
15:35<niag>tnks
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16:54<yznou>hello everybody, i'm using Squeeze and i have a little problem with "kleopatra". when creating a new certificate, i cannot type in a passwort to protect this new cert. do i have to use kgpg or is there a way in kleopatra i dont see?
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17:52<vasco2011>Hello everybody I search a channel about linux raid
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17:57<valdyn>somehow i doubt theres a channel for just linux raid
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18:03<CaptainKraft>My system doesn't seem to be pulling from repositories correctly. I have tried installing multiple packages that should be under the main Debian repository, but those packages are not there or are out of date. What could be causing this problem?
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18:04<retrospectacus>CaptainKraft: updated?
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18:05<retrospectacus>by which I mean: apt-get update
18:05<CaptainKraft>retrospctacus: I have run apt-get update and checked my software sources, looks like it should be working
18:05<CaptainKraft>is there a way that I can make sure this is working? Maybe the packages I'm searching for just aren't there like they should be?
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18:05<retrospectacus>pastebin your sources list and your install command and its output
18:05<valdyn>CaptainKraft: why dont you show us the error and the sources.list so we can see what's wrong?
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18:06<CaptainKraft>where can I find sources.list
18:06<retrospectacus>in /etc/apt/
18:07<CaptainKraft>E: Package 'mangler' has no installation candidate
18:07<CaptainKraft>That is the error I'm getting, just can't be found, one second for the sources.list
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18:07<Bushmills>"multiple packages that should be under the main Debian repositor" sure main, not contrib or non-free?
18:07<retrospectacus>mangler is only in wheezy/sid
18:07<valdyn>judd: versions mangler
18:07<judd>Package: mangler on i386 -- sid: 1.2.2-2; wheezy: 1.2.2-2
18:08<CaptainKraft>http://pastebin.com/UxMkMcXh for my sources.list
18:08<CaptainKraft>Mangler is the most recent package I've had an issue with. Wine is also still 1.0 when I "apt-get install wine" and there have been many versions from then to now
18:09<blackshirt>is there web based front end for apt ?
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18:09<CaptainKraft>blackshirt: are you in Nebraska by chance?
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18:09<blackshirt>CaptainKraft: what you mean ?
18:09<CaptainKraft>valdyn: how can I install an older version of mangler?
18:09<Bushmills>,versions wine
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18:09<judd>Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.4; experimental: 1.1.24-2
18:10<CaptainKraft>blackshirt: I mean do you live in nebraska
18:10<retrospectacus>CaptainKraft: mangler and the latest wine are not in squeeze. You'll have to look at upgrading or <ssb> or such
18:10<blackshirt>CaptainKraft: no.. any suggest ?
18:11<CaptainKraft>blackshirt: I was just curious if you lived in Nebraska because of your name, sorry, I can't answer your question
18:11<CaptainKraft>retrospectacus: what do you mean upgrading? and what is <ssb>
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18:12<retrospectacus>CaptainKraft: it means switching your sources to wheezy, the next Debian version. You'll want to join #debian-next, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
18:12<blackshirt>CaptainKraft. not just a matter... i think i'm using handy nick :D
18:12<retrospectacus>ssb is simple sid backport - /msg dpkg ssb
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18:15<CaptainKraft>so wheezy is the next distro of debian and there is no version of mangler for squeeze?
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18:22<dondelelcaro>CaptainKraft: that's correct. You can backport mangler to squeeze if you want, though.
18:22<CaptainKraft>how can i do that?
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18:23<dondelelcaro>!ssb
18:23<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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18:23<CaptainKraft>thank you
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18:28<CaptainKraft>how do I ask about <deb-src sid>
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18:29<retrospectacus>say that to dpkg the bot
18:29<retrospectacus>in a private message
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18:31<CaptainKraft>this channel is handy haha
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18:49<infinity0>hey guys
18:49<infinity0>what would be the svn address for this: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/dep/
18:49<infinity0>i want to check it out (well, git-svn clone it) and have a play around
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18:51<daemonkeeper>well, it may be related to the fact, this is SVN.
18:51<daemonkeeper>Not git.
18:51<daemonkeeper>Ah, git-svn, never mind.
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18:55<infinity0>nvmd got it, vasks.debian.org
18:56<daemonkeeper>Yup. But, svn://scm.alioth.debian.org/svn/... should work as well.
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18:56<infinity0>right
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19:28<Hierro59>.español
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19:29<retrospectacus>!es
19:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:39<CaptainKraft>!ssb
19:39<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
19:39<CaptainKraft>for that ssb command, dpkg says for 4) "install the resultant debs" Where can I find those debs?
19:40<abrotman>CaptainKraft: either 'pwd' or ..
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19:41<CaptainKraft>thank you
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19:46<anndruu12>Hey guys. I am running debian through QEMU, and connecting to it remotely through puTTY. I am trying to use ddd to debug a program, but am given the following error: "Error: Can't open display: ". How can I get ddd to work?
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19:47<bones_was_here>anndruu12: do you have a non-windows machine with X11 to use as a client? if so, you can connect with ssh -X to have support for graphical programs over ssh
19:47<bones_was_here>no idea if this can be done with putty on windows but i'd guess no
19:48<nevyn>anndruu12: install xming on your windows system and configure ssh X11 forwarding in putty
19:48<anndruu12>all the work I am doing is on windows machines unfortunately
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19:48<retrospectacus>xming, that's the thing
19:49<anndruu12>would that need to be installed on the windows system i am running putty on, or on the host system i am connecting to?
19:49<nevyn>on the windows system
19:49<nevyn>anndruu12: ^^
19:49<anndruu12>they are both windows systems
19:49<anndruu12>nevermind, i see what you are saying i think
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19:51<nevyn>anndruu12: X11 (the for now network transparent unix gui layer) is client server and based around display serving. a client (ddd) connects to a server which provides a display, keyboard and pointing device
19:52<nevyn>the server you need to install is called Xming
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19:54<anndruu12>Ok, and once Xming is installed, i need to go in putty, under SSH > X11 and enable X11 forwarding?
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19:56<nevyn>yep
19:56<Faryus>can anyone tell me how to make Squeeze boot in text mode, not GUI? I tried #update-rc.d -f gdm remove but didn't work
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20:01<anndruu12>worked like a charm. thanks nevyn
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20:03<TheBuntu>whats the DFSG repo
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20:04<Faryus>nevermind, I figured it out
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20:05<qubital>I just installed debian on my laptop, gnome3, had to use iwlwifi, and noticed that the wireless network is automatically set. How do I get it so that I see the networks and choose via networkmanager?
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20:06<gnugr>Faryus: see this, you may like it: https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/scrotwm
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20:09<Faryus>nah, I just need to keep the GUI out of the RAM
20:09<Faryus>no point on having a GUI on a file server anyway
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20:10<retrospectacus>TheBuntu: can you rephrase your question, it doesn't really make sense. Maybe just /msg dpkg dfsg or /msg dpkg mirrors
20:10<nevyn>Faryus: just don't install it.
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20:11<TheBuntu>retrospectacus, i was asking what the DFSG repo was..
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20:12<retrospectacus>ummmhhhh "main"?
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20:12<Faryus>long story... I wouldn't have installed a GUI in the first place...
20:12<TheBuntu>google just told me... Debian Free Software Guidelines
20:13<retrospectacus>TheBuntu: of course. You didn't ask what it stood for...
20:13<TheBuntu>i was asking what it was
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20:13<retrospectacus>no you weren't... but ok
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20:16<TheBuntu>I asked whats the DFSG repo... in Synaptic where you configure your repo... there is 4 check boxes.. 2 for the normal repo.. then DFSG and Nonfree-DFSG
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20:17<gnugr>contrib?
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20:18<retrospectacus>"dfsg" is not a "repo" - it's a set of rules
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20:18<retrospectacus>some repos contain only dfsg-compliant software
20:19<TheBuntu>so it's not software packages
20:19<retrospectacus>but if Synaptic is saying such things, I apologize, I don't use synaptic
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20:20<retrospectacus>TheBuntu: some software packages are DFSG-compliant.
20:20<user>HI
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20:20<retrospectacus>Guest23525: hi
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20:26<jasonsmr>hello debian
20:26<retrospectacus>hello jasonsmr
20:26<jasonsmr>I have a package that is installing by default in the /opt folder
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20:26<jasonsmr>hi retrospective
20:27<jasonsmr>hi retrospectacus
20:27<TheBuntu>retrospectacus, here's what i was talking about in the package manager on DFSG.... http://imageshack.us/f/707/screenshotpfdg.png/
20:27<retrospectacus>hi. What version of debian, what package and what is the problem
20:28<jasonsmr>the package freeswitch is installing at /opt/freeswitch opposed to where the manual ./configure and make make install installs to at /usr/local/freeswitch
20:28<retrospectacus>jasonsmr: ok. What's the problem?
20:28<jasonsmr>debian squeese although the pckage comes from maintainers at another not debian main site, made for lenny
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20:29<jasonsmr>well problem is that other packages that use this package are looking for it in /usr/local/freeswitch local
20:29<retrospectacus>TheBuntu: yes the top one ("main") is all DFSG-compliant software. The rest are noted as non-DFSG or DFSG-with-non-free deps
20:29<jasonsmr>and the only thing that looks for it in /opt is the .deb
20:29<retrospectacus>jasonsmr: simple solution is to make a symbolic link: cd /usr/local && ln -s /opt/freeswitch
20:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 466] by debhelper
20:30<jasonsmr>or installs it there rather, pluss I dont have anything in that location basicly my /opt drive is null
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20:30<jasonsmr>its on root I EG I didnt create a seperate drive for it ...sadly
20:30<jasonsmr>that would be a simple solution yes...
20:30<TheBuntu>ok
20:31<TheBuntu>thanks
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20:32<jasonsmr>retrospectacus, what about the other programs? that use freeswitch and Write to it? fooling them with a simlink at that location wont really make it globaly available say if* the opther packages like a gui (in my case) installed some moduler add on..
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20:32<jasonsmr>I think your solution is the best btw
20:32<retrospectacus>it should be fine. You could also *mv* /opt/freeswitch and then do the symlink the other way
20:32<jasonsmr>its just that im running out of space
20:33<jasonsmr>ok
20:33<jasonsmr>aallright ill do the second thanks again retrospectacus ;)
20:33<retrospectacus>gl hf :)
20:33<jasonsmr>;) sure!
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20:41<NJ>How is everyone?
20:41<abrotman>whoa ... NJ is from NJ
20:41<NJ>Where you from?
20:41*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic
20:41<NJ>Yup actually here
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20:55<amitz>how to shutdown debian squeeze from command line? shutdown now is not reliable, sometimes i'm stuck into single mode instead. in live cd, i'm stuck in root shell instead (a bug probably, but that's another issue)
20:56<amitz>not reliable depending on installation
20:56<nevyn>amitz: shutdown -h now
20:56<nevyn>shutdown always goes to singleuser with no arguments
20:56<nevyn>amitz: or shutdown -r now if you want a reboot.
20:56<retrospectacus>init 0 ?
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20:57<amitz>ooh? interesting, thanks nevyn.
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20:58<itch>Hmm, any reason why pulse audio should use about 8% of C2D ? It seems a bit too much ..
20:59<nevyn>C2D?
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21:02<abrotman>core2duo ?
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21:03<nevyn>bfig: ah.
21:03<nevyn>ah..
21:03<nevyn>that does seem excessive.
21:03<itch>Yes, Core 2 Dou @ 2.2 Ghz
21:04<itch>And indeed it seems a bit too much
21:04<itch>That`s only when I play something. Let`s say a movie via mplayer
21:06<itch>It also makes the video seem "laggy"
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21:21<Oni>hola, alguien de habla hispana que me ayude?
21:23<nevyn>!es
21:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
21:24<Oni>sorry, vengo de alla, y ahi nadie me ayuda :s
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22:36<_0x783czar>hello, I'm a bit of a n00b, but I just switched to debian from GUI Ubuntu and I just finished the install, I have a few things I need to take care of including installing Gnome (but that can wait) currently I can't figure out mounting a usb drive
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22:37<_0x783czar>I should mention that I have no GUI
22:39<deansu>does the usb drive show up under fdisk -l ?
22:39<mlaks>hi i am trying to install debian from a usb key to a laptop that needs iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode-17.168.5.3 for the firmware. i added the file to the usb key but still the installer tells me it cant see it. how to see what directory the debian-installer is looking into. i also stuck a second usb key into a second usb port and still same
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22:40<kop>mlaks: I'd guess the top-level directory, but see the install guide. What does it say?
22:40<kop>mlaks: (You need to put the debian package there, not some random firmware file.)
22:40<jasonsmr>hello channel
22:41<jasonsmr>Im having problems with my sound controller in debian
22:41<jasonsmr>00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 04)
22:41<jasonsmr>is readout of lspci -vv
22:41<mlaks>you mean the whole firmware-nonfree.0.34.tar.gz
22:41<_0x783czar>deansu: hmmmm it's telling me command not found when I run fdisk
22:41<mlaks>or the individual component files?
22:42<jasonsmr>the audio ports seem swaped to me (Having tow of them) 1 = headphones out 2 = mic in
22:42<deansu>_0x783czar: run it as root
22:42<kop>jasonsmr: What's lspci -nn say? (We need the pciid, sometimes anyway. I don't know anything about sound.)
22:42<kop>mlaks: The .deb Isn't that what the install guide says?
22:42<jasonsmr>00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:266e] (rev 04)
22:43<kop>,pciid [8086:266e]
22:43<judd>[8086:266e] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-intel8x0' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:266e http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module.
22:43<jasonsmr>oh
22:43<_0x783czar>deansu: yes it does appear
22:43<jasonsmr>ty
22:43<kop>!tell mlaks about installer firmware
22:44<_0x783czar>deansu: it says that it's mounted at /dev/sdb1 but I can't cd to it
22:44<mlaks>Just download the tarball or zip file for the correct release and unpack it to the file system on the medium
22:44<kop>!tell mlaks about firmware images
22:44<kop>mlaks: You could use the unoffical installer with built-in non-free firmware if it all is too much to deal with. (Although I'm pretty sure the install guide is very clear.)
22:45<_0x783czar>deansu: it says 'no such file or directory'
22:45<deansu>_0x783czar: thats the device link, you need to mount it, I usually mkdir /media/partitionname (you might choose /media/usbdrive) then, mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdrive - both as root
22:46<kop>jasonsmr: That's about all I know about sound. If you can't figure it out and don't get help here you could try in #debian on irc.freenode.net, although in my experience the people who really know what they're doing hang out in both channels.
22:46<mlaks>actualy i made a usb key using the boot-img and zcat and copied over the installer. i guess i will try the unofficial installer. but need to get it on a usb stick.
22:46<deansu>_0x783czar: if its fat32 and you want to write to the drive, you need extra options for mount
22:46<kop>mlaks: You can use dd, I think that's the offical way.
22:47<mlaks>i only saw this way by googling. if you know a reference
22:48<jasonsmr>I want to test it out I suppose
22:48<_0x783czar>deansu: which would be? I just mounted it and it told that utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for it
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22:48<jasonsmr>any good sound recording hardware testing apps ?
22:48<jasonsmr>suggestions?
22:49<deansu>jasonsmr: do you mean like audacity?
22:50<jasonsmr>thats a good program/one to use
22:50<deansu>_0x783czar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Manually_Mounting
22:50<_0x783czar>deansu: thank-you
22:51<_0x783czar>deansu: is there a way to automate it, or do I need to just write a shell-script?
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22:52<deansu>_0x783czar: if you're going to use GUI like Gnome, that will handle it all for you, how to automate it without I'm not so sure
22:54<jasonsmr>well using audacity worked, with only half
22:54<jasonsmr>the mic works great the speakers do not however
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23:04<_0x783czar>deansu: so it almost seems like I don't have a sudo command on this machine. I tried opening a file with privliges using 'sudo vi filename' and got an Unrecognized command error
23:05<deansu>_0x783czar: you will need to apt-get/aptitude install sudo
23:05<deansu>or if you're happy using su -, just ignore the sudo part of the command
23:06<_0x783czar>deansu: OK
23:11<jasonsmr>Setting up ALSA...warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'Unknown hardware: "ICH4" "SigmaTel STAC9758,59" "AC97a:83847658" "0x14c0" "0x0021"
23:11<jasonsmr>alsamixer
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23:13<_0x783czar>deansu: and anyone else knowledgeable: I need to set up wireless networking on this machine now. I've have the linux driver file (.zip) for the wireless card, on this flash drive, but I don't really understand the way drivers work in Linux. I also don't have the unzip command yet... any suggestions?
23:15<_0x783czar>I figure I'll just unzip it on another machine first
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23:16<deansu>_0x783czar: usually not the right way to go about it, in most cases there will be debian firmware drivers, but in non-free (I think)
23:17<deansu>_0x783czar: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
23:17<_0x783czar>deansu: the problem is that I don't have a hardline...
23:17<_0x783czar>deansu: ok I'll read the link
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23:29<_0x783czar>deansu: OK, I downloaded the .deb package from the non-free list onto my flash drive and am about to put it on my debian machine. What's the command to install the package?
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23:29<deansu>_0x783czar: dpkg -i package_name.deb
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