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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-10

---Logopened Tue Jan 10 00:00:50 2012
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00:41<snogglethorpe>j
00:42<snogglethorpe>hi, I'm having probs logging into "new" gnome (gnome3 + gdm3)... getting "couldn't write .ICEauthority" error
00:42<snogglethorpe>i have an NFS home dir
00:43<snogglethorpe>googling around suggests a workaroudnd is setting the ICEAUTHORITY env-var, but I:m not sure where to set it
00:43<snogglethorpe>most of the google:d discs mention setting it in ~/.gnomerc, but as far as I can tell
00:43<snogglethorpe>"modern" gnome-session doesn't even execute that
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00:44<snogglethorpe>(I put some "echo msg > /tmp/file" into various places, including .gnomerc, with no result)
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00:44<snogglethorpe>so any suggestions, where I can set ICEAUTHORITY in a way that gnome-session will actually see it?
00:45<snogglethorpe>(I did a strings on the executable, and couldn't find *any* likely init-file names...)
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00:48<kingsley>Can you give us the output of this command? ls -l /home/snogglethorpe/.ICEauthority
00:50<snogglethorpe>kingsley: -rwxrwxrwx 1 miles 191089 Jan 10 14:03 .ICEauthority
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00:50<snogglethorpe>(note i changed the perms to 777 trying to follow some other discussion)
00:50<snogglethorpe>(the default perms were 600)
00:51<snogglethorpe>(also the date is current 'cause I touched the file, but it was actually last written last month, the last time I logged in with gnome2)
00:52<snogglethorpe>oh, of course note that given the file already existed, I guess things worked properly before
00:52<snogglethorpe>could it be an NFS issue ... the IT peeps here moved some NFS servers around
00:52<snogglethorpe>?
00:53<snogglethorpe>(tho I'm a bit puzzled why this file is so important it won't even let me login without it...)
00:54<kingsley>snogglethorpe: I do not know what the problem is, but user id "1" worries me.
00:55<snogglethorpe>kingsley: "1" is the link-count i think
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00:56<snogglethorpe>kingsley: my username is "miles", but I use ls -G by default which turns off the group output
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00:56<kingsley>snogglethorpe: Normally, I'd expect to see a name there, and on the occasions I've seen a number, it was because a backup was restored to a computer with different user IDs, and the old ID doesn't exist on the new computer.
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00:58<kingsley>Oh, maybe the "1" is the number of links, which would be OK.
00:58<snogglethorpe>kingsley: yeah, the first number after the perms is the hard-link count
00:59<snogglethorpe>I assume the reason it's failing to update is that gnome-session is suid to root or something, and of course that fails with NFS
00:59<kingsley>If I asked you nicely, would you please run ls -l without -G?
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00:59<snogglethorpe>kingsley: -rwxrwxrwx 1 miles cmp 191089 Jan 10 14:03 .ICEauthority
00:59<kingsley>Thank you.
00:59<snogglethorpe>no probs :)
01:00<snogglethorpe>me being the one that's beggin' after all .. :]
01:00<kingsley>What's the "cmp" group?
01:01<snogglethorpe>kingsley: some site-wide group, I don't even know what it means
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01:01<snogglethorpe>kingsley: since stuff is mounted from NFS, my /etc/groups has lots of groups with high ids that are shared with other computers
01:02<snogglethorpe>but the gid is 10273, so no conflicts I'd guess
01:03<kingsley>Do you get the error when you try to login as miles?
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01:07<snogglethorpe>kingsley: yes, that:s what I'm logging in as always (snogglethorpe is just my IRC name)
01:08<kingsley>Is /home/miles actually mounted when you get the error?
01:08<snogglethorpe>kingsley: yes
01:08<snogglethorpe>kingsley: I'm logged in no prob on a linux console right now
01:08<snogglethorpe>kingsley: it's just gnome that fails
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01:09<snogglethorpe>(oddly, gdm no longer seems to offer the old "login with just an xterm" option...)
01:09<snogglethorpe>(also, logging in to gnome does work fine with other users that have a local home dir, so ... I get the feeling nobody in gnome actually tested this case...)
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01:11<kingsley>snogglethorpe: What do you think of the workarounds at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26005
01:11*kingsley needs to go soon.
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01:17<snogglethorpe>kingsley: ah, that worked!!
01:17<snogglethorpe>excellent!
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01:18<snogglethorpe>kingsley: hmm, oh , ... now I get a different error...
01:18<snogglethorpe>("gnome3 failed to load ... starting in fallback mode"...)
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01:18<snogglethorpe>but at least now I have more to chew on
01:18<snogglethorpe>kingsley: thanks very much!
01:20<kingsley>snogglethorpe: You'
01:20<kingsley>snogglethorpe: You're very welcome.
01:20<kingsley>snogglethorpe: Just put me in the will.
01:20<kingsley>snogglethorpe: Just kidding!!!!!!!!
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02:27<nocturnal>weird I have openntpd running with a local pool server and my server clock is still 10 minutes behind all other computers.
02:28<nocturnal>and it stays at 10 minutes behind, it doesn't fluctuate due to bad battery or hardware.
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02:30<nocturnal>changed it now, see if it sticks
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02:41<jasonsmr>so Im removing alsa and installing pulseaudio Hmm
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02:44<jm_>interesting as PA depends on alsa
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04:14<Ivan>ai alguienpo ahi ?
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04:14<Santi>eeeeeeeee
04:14<Ivan>que hacesjeje
04:15<Ivan>ya viene el troya jejeje
04:15<Santi>aki al lado tuyaa
04:15<Santi>xD
04:15<Ivan>ea jaja
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04:16<Ivan>jajajaja
04:16<Ivan>*troya
04:16<Santi>eeeeeeeeeeeee
04:16<Ivan>aki los3
04:16<troya>eeesssooes
04:16<Ivan>ejeje
04:16<Santi>como se lo podemos dexir a toa la clase¿?
04:17<Ivan>no lo see perodaiguual
04:17<Santi>¿?
04:17<troya>escribe en un pape
04:17<Ivan>yono
04:17<Santi>kuanto mas gente mejor lokooo
04:18<troya>sess qe no
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04:20<Ivan>si palabreotas
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04:29<XayOn_>El que puso en el paquete de debian de xchat el canal #debian por defecto ha hecho un daño considerable al mundo.
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04:39<daemonkeeper>Please talk English in here.
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04:44<RajDev_King>Hi
04:44<RajDev_King>Could anyone please help me with Cinnamon installation?
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05:38<delliott>What is the best way to install gcc-3.3.6 on Wheezy?
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05:53<streuner__>judd, versions gcc
05:53<judd>Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.1-3; sid: 4:4.6.2-4
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05:55<streuner__>delliott: are you sure you need that version, its from May 03, 2005...
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06:11<f8l>Hello.
06:12<f8l>How does a --shell option of su work? I try to run `su --shell /bin/sh root` and get "/bin/bash not found". :-(
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06:24<f8l>I'll try to repair this the other way…
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06:30<delliott>streuner__, yes.
06:30<delliott>Legacy code.
06:32<themill>delliott: a sarge (or etch?) chroot would be easiest, use debootstrap to create the chroot
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06:42<delliott>themill, I'll try that.
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06:42<themill>delliott: you might need to do some digging to find the last release that actually had that version of gcc.
06:43<delliott>I know.
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06:48<delliott>It looks like it might be sarge.
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06:55<wtfbbq>hello
06:56<wtfbbq>is it just me or do bootloader installations allways fail if encrypted partitions are involved?
06:57<weasel>/boot needs to be on an unencrypted partition
06:57<wtfbbq>i know that
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06:58<wtfbbq>i was just lazy and let the guided partitioning do it's job
06:58<wtfbbq>and i just can't install lilo or grub
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07:01<wtfbbq>any ideas?
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07:09<ompaul>wtfbbq: when it is setup right you have /boot / swap and anything else you want and it works (I know I've done enough of it) if it is not working then installing it right helps lots ;-)
07:09<ompaul>wtfbbq: also it is a total pain to watch a full drive get encrypted when a few hundred gigs are involved
07:10<wtfbbq>yeah
07:10<wtfbbq>took my all night
07:10<wtfbbq>well i checked everything and it seems fine, my other laptop that is about the same setup works perfectly, except that it's not debian i am running there
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07:11<wtfbbq>if i try grub-installer via cli all i get it grub-probe not found
07:11<mosno>is it strange that dbus is in the devel Section?
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07:13<Faryus>I have a question...
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07:14<Faryus>when extracting an archive on a samba server, from a remote computer, which resources are in use? the ones on the server or on the local machine?
07:14<Faryus>*remote machine
07:14<petemc>both
07:15<jm_>heh
07:15<Faryus>don't understand :D
07:16<Faryus>which CPU is used for the extraction process, for example?
07:16<petemc>the one running the softwate doing the unarching
07:16<petemc>unarchiving
07:17<Faryus>aha... thanks
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07:53<grummund>Hi, Could someone point me in the right direction wrt monitoring a mbx mailbox for new mail in a shell script?
07:54<jm_>grummund: most shells can do that for you
07:54<petemc>isnt that what biff does?
07:55<jm_>yeah biff like tools
07:55<olasd>biff warns in an interactive shell, but I'm not sure it can be useful in a shell _script_
07:56<grummund>Basically i would like to wait on new mail in a specific mailbox, and then continue (or launch) the bash script.
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07:57<grummund>ideally without upsetting any mail client that is also monitoring the mailbox...
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08:01<grummund>hmm, i found a bash example that monitors the file timstamp...
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08:10<themill>grummund: inotifywait might be of interest
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09:29<berto>Byte order is not compatible at /usr/lib/perl/5.14/Storable.pm line 379, at /usr/share/perl/5.14.2/Memoize/Storable.pm line 21
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09:29<berto>this is git svn
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09:29<berto>I'm having problems in different repos
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09:31<berto>ah, I see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=618875
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10:09<bubo>hi! i'm using wheezy on an x86_64 machine and want to cross-compile an ARM kernel (ti-omap2). is this possible? i've installed all the emdebian stuff, binutils-multiarch etc. but there does not seem to be a compiler for the target? do i have to compile gcc from source to get one?
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10:22<kilelme>dpkg: version
10:22<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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10:42<mark76>Can anyone link me to a guide to enabling Kwin compositing on Squeeze ?
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10:47<mark76>I keep getting this error message
10:47<mark76>Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
10:47<mark76>Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
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10:49<jordanm>mark76: your graphics driver probably doesn't support 3d accelleration
10:49<mark76>It's Nouveau
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10:50<jordanm>mark76: yeah, in squeeze 3d support is very limited for that driver
10:50<jordanm>!nvidia
10:50<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
10:50<zzz>ok
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10:50<mark76>Does that include transparency?
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10:52<jordanm>mark76: compositing is usually required for transparency. the proprietary drivers should take care of things for you
10:52<jordanm>!nvidia dkms
10:52<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>.
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10:56<kilelme1>!kwin
10:56<dpkg>KWin is the <KDE> window manager. http://userbase.kde.org/KWin #kwin on irc.freenode.net.
10:56<thehf>babilen, hi, still have problems with my mouse, where do i set wich mouse button is doing what..
10:56<kilelme1>!goplay
10:56<dpkg>GoPlay is a tool that helps you finding games using <debtags>.
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10:58<torland>!ecryptfs
10:58<dpkg>eCryptfs (Enterprise Cryptographic Filesystem) is a POSIX-compliant encrypted filesystem, part of the Linux kernel since version 2.6.19. The userland utilities are packaged for Debian as ecryptfs-utils. https://launchpad.net/ecryptfs #ecryptfs on irc.oftc.net. Not to be confused with <encfs>.
10:59<torland>!encfs
10:59<dpkg>EncFS is a <FUSE>-based cryptographic filesystem. See http://packages.debian.org/encfs and https://we.riseup.net/debian/encrypted-folder-using-encfs for more information. http://www.arg0.net/encfs
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11:01<Maxou56800>yo
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11:03<dpkg>Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>.
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11:19<torland>!cryptsetup
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11:26<gws>刚学习debian,大家多照顾
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11:27<mark76>I give up
11:28<mark76>It's never going to work
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11:28<Bushmills>whip it. or bribe it.
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11:29<Bushmills>either is considered effective encouragement
11:29<mark76>I blacklisted nouveau but it's still driving my graphics card
11:29<mark76>I don't know what more I can do
11:31<mark76>I'm going to see if removing nouveau does anything
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11:33<gws>大家都是那里的阿
11:33<gws>怎么都用英文阿
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11:34<gws>有人能回应我吗?
11:34<themill>!zh
11:34<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作! If you want to get helped in Chinese, please move to #debian-zh at irc.oftc.net. To join, type "/server irc.oftc.net" and "/join #debian-zh" (without quote). Thank you!
11:35<kilelme1>what the package that i can read this 大家都是那里的阿?
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11:36<mark76>Damn it. Even removing nouveau has no effect
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11:37<Bushmills>kilelme1: "education" ?
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11:38<Bushmills>as far, understanding languages isn't plugged into your brain by running aptitude
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11:40<mark76>I suppose I'd better change this ugly grey, that's meant to be transparent, panel for a non transparent one
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11:41<mark76>Sigh
11:41<kilelme1>Bushmills: oh... because when i read that on my computer i can't read the text but it show me some code
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11:43<Bushmills>well, this is what you wrote and pasted: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1326213749183839784d.png
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11:45<Bushmills>setting your irc client to show unicode may help
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11:47<gws>谢谢dpkg老兄
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11:47<kilelme1>Bushmills: thank... i try find it .. if i cannot found, can i setting unicode on my sistem?
11:50<mark76>Where is my x configuration?
11:50<Bushmills>look at "encoding" or similar in the configuration of the program you want to configure to display unicode chars
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11:50<dougmencken>hello there
11:50<babilen>kilelme1: I would furthermore recommend to install some Chinese fonts (ttf-wqy-* and fonts-arphic-* come to mind)
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11:51<dougmencken>8 days ago I sent a bug report: Bug#654210
11:51<dougmencken>I even made a quick do-not-crash patch and sent that too
11:51<dougmencken>but... I haven't got *any* response to my efforts
11:51<babilen>!dbugs 654210
11:51<dpkg>#654210:N[sysinfo] sysinfo crashes every time when I choose "CPU" section (); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:01:43 UTC []
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11:51<dougmencken>by the way, I even made a cool patch, with full support and even a nice icon
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11:52<dougmencken>but I don't know, send it or not
11:52<dougmencken>looks like maintainers of sysinfo aren't interested at all
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11:53<dougmencken>shall I fork sysinfo then? ;)
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11:54<Bushmills>dougmencken: chances are that the problem couldn't be reproduced yet by others
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11:54<dougmencken>Bushmills: it is easily reproductible, just get a non-x86 cpu w/o "bogomips"
11:54<Bushmills>for example, i can choose CPU section without the program crashing
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11:54<dougmencken>in /proc/cpuinfo
11:55<Bushmills>on my x86 ,,,
11:55<babilen>dougmencken: I can not reproduce that issue on x86 (which is probably why it works) -- I would recommend to be patient for a while longer and then ping the bug again. You might want to tag the bug "patch"
11:55<dougmencken>it is easily readable in code (it is in C#, lol)
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11:56<dougmencken>I never coded in C# before, but I took a 10 mins to make a quick patch, and about 2 hours to make a full patch
11:56<dougmencken>let me post a screenshot
11:57<babilen>dougmencken: You could also incorporate that patch into the Debian package (it uses quilt and is maintained in subversion) and ask in #debian-cli for support/sponsoring.
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11:58<dougmencken>babilen: i.e. if I'd produce a package, they would answer me at least?
11:58<babilen>dougmencken: Further details can be found in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html (about quilt + general Debian packaging)
11:59<dougmencken>but I do really think about forking
11:59<dougmencken>by the way, sysinfo hasn't been updated in upstream since 2007
12:00<babilen>dougmencken: You might just want to ask in #debian-cli -- I am not a member of that team and don't know how they handle things.
12:00<dougmencken>http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/6524/sysinfopatchedshot.png
12:00<dougmencken>babilen: okay, joining
12:00<dougmencken>it's not empty ;)
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12:01<zedboy>Aside from feeling dumb that I've gotten as far as I have in life without understanding GRUB2 (or GRUB) well ... why do I feel like I run update-grub and it's ignoring the entry I just added to /etc/grub.d ?
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12:02<babilen>dougmencken: The maintainer (dapal) does not seem to be online right now (but yesterday) -- I would suggest to wait a little, but check with the team.
12:02<zedboy>And for that matter it's clear os-prober isn't running either (!)
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12:03<dougmencken>babilen: ah
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12:04<dougmencken>anyway, I want to re-write it in C with Gtk+
12:05<dougmencken>I'd call it "About This Computer"
12:05<dougmencken>(like the famous menu item in Mac OS)
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12:05<babilen>zedboy: os-prober should run automagically whenever you run "update-grub" (cf /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober) -- Editing files in /etc/grub.d/ is restricted to *_custom and changes made there should make it into your /boot/grub/grub.cfg -- You might have to run "grub-install /dev/sdX" (e.g. grub-install /dev/sda) to install grub to the MBR -- Can you run os-prober manually?
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12:08<zedboy>babilen: I'm dumb, it wasn't echoing anything but my script was being reflected in grub.cfg so that's good (have to check if it works)
12:08<zedboy>babilen: os-prober is working but not picking up my windows (not sure how intelligent it's expected to be)
12:08*zedboy found life easier under LILO
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12:18<zedboy>babilen: that would have worked if I would know the correct command line in grub
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12:19<babilen>zedboy: What would have worked? Are you running update-grub in a chroot? (yadda yadda, but I'm afk for a while)
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12:19<zedboy>babilen: that would also have been smart.
12:19<zedboy>babilen: my attempt to (sadly) boot windows
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12:21<babilen>zedboy: Well, you need to make sure that /dev is working in the chroot (along with /proc) if you are trying to use os-prober there. Luckily I don't have to deal with Windows on my personal machine, so I have to direct experience with it. I've seen os-prober working for all recent Windows version (say XP+) in here recently though
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12:22<zedboy>babilen: I'm just trying to write a correct windows entry manually
12:22<zedboy>babilen: shouldn't be such rocket science
12:22<babilen>Ok
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12:27*zedboy would normally have gone a lot longer without realizing that windows wasn't bootable
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12:35<anqxyr>Good evening. I recently installed Debian Squeeze with xfce, and after installation added another keyboard layout. My problem is, I can't find any way to change the layout from keyboard, or configure what key should change it. Can anyone help me with this problem?
12:35<zedboy>I'm getting a mildly cryptic error message from GRUB2: error: Invalid file name `'.
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12:47<kop>zedboy: I don't know much, but isn't MS windows chainloaded? There shouldn't be a filename, just a path to a partition with the MS bootloader on it. ?
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12:52<zedboy>kop: Yeah, it's giving a funny error message.
12:52<zedboy>kop: But I just found some docs that claim that GRUB2 can now boot windows directly, so I'm trying that approach (no "chainloader" line in the cfg)
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12:53*zedboy is off to try it!
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13:00<eightyeight>why both 'keepass2' and 'keepassx'?
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13:00<eightyeight>oops. wrong channel.
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13:01<johan_>hey, is there a way to let users create and change wifi connections in networkmanager (0.9.2) without adding them to group sudo?
13:03<johan_>i have no clue where or for what i have to look
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13:17<jordanm>johan_: I am able to do that using the nm applet without any configuration
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13:26<mark76>Why won't Kmail let me trash some messages?
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13:42<root__>hello!!!
13:42<mandark>Hi there, I'm searching for an idea to mount a FTP (like with curlftpfs) but I want to add a cryptography layer so that people on the other end of the FTP can't steal me personal data (for using a "ftp backup" provided by my hosting provider), seems that to play with LVM on top of curlftpfs can't work )o:
13:42<mandark>Any idea ? :P
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13:53<jordanm>mandark: use stfp
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13:53<alex__>mandark: have you considered FTP + TLS ?
13:53<jordanm>alex__: ftps only works when there is no firewall on the server end, which is unlikely to be the case
13:54<alex__>Well... then SFTP is probably the right thing to do :) all data goes through port 22 (or any other you like)
13:54<alex__>or maybe a VPN to the destination host :)
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13:54<mandark>I don't only want "transmition" to be secured but I want data to be secured once dropped...
13:55<mandark>I don't have choice to connect to the backup system, only FTP is provided
13:55<mandark>So i wanna mount it and play with some crypto loopback, to write only crypted things into it
13:55<mandark>But seems a bit hard
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13:56<jhutchins_wk>mandark: That's because you're using the wrong tool. scp/rsync is what you should be looking at.
13:56<mandark>jhutchins_wk: I know and use scp / rsync / rdiff-backup / rsnapshot daily
13:57<johan_>jordanm: which version do you use? i'm asked for the rootpassword when i'm not member of sudo and asked for my password when i'm member of sudo.
13:57<mandark>jhutchins_wk: But here, the FTP isn't set by me, but by my provider, providing some space freely that I want to use, but I don't want to drop personal data on it )o:
13:57<alex__>mandark: so...... make a loopback crypt file and the sync that file ..... ?
13:58<alex__>is that what you want ?
13:58<mark76>Where does Kmail store messages?
13:58<mandark> alex__Or another idea that give me the same solution: crypt/decrypt locally, send crypted, store crypted, only pure ftp.
13:59<alex__>mandark: yep... that's what i was saying
13:59<mandark>alex__: But the curlftpfs / loopback / lvm / blabla / does not work cause curlftpfs does not implement every functions that a loopback need
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14:00<alex__>mandark: is it not an option to have a single file in the FTP, mount the FTP as a route, and then mount THE FILE using the loopback ?
14:00<alex__>back in the time (before truecrypt) i used a similar solution
14:01<alex__>as long as curlFTPS let's you access a file in a random manner, i think it should work
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14:01<mandark>alex__: I tryed it but I can't use the file as a loopback, curlftpfs don't expose some function that are needed ( I forgot their names, I tried it some month ago )
14:02<alex__>mmmmm
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14:02<alex__>You know....... FTP is a transfer protocol..... i think you are trying to push its envelope too much
14:03<alex__>:)
14:03<mandark>alex__: I think too )o:
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14:04<alex__>maybe you could create a compressed and cyphered image of what you want to backup and then upload it to the FTP using binary diff
14:04<mandark>alex__: But i'm sure it's possible to do something ... even if I have to recode something, like simulating random access by splitting "the big file" into little chunks :-X
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14:04<alex__>altough i can imaging that due to criptography involved small changes in content would create a huge diff
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14:05<mandark>alex__: And i don't want this to be manual, i want a mount point that i can use simply, 'cp, mv, grep, ...' )o:
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14:06<mandark>I know that my quesiton is hard, i'm sure that a simple response exist, combining some simple tools, but I can't find them...
14:06<alex__>mandark: yep, that could be automated
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14:08<alex__>mandark: anyways... what you asking is a current problem with "the cloud" and the security people is dealing with it... How can i store my data in an untrusted system in a way that they cannot access......
14:08<alex__>and i am afraid that there is no good answer yet......
14:08<alex__>at least not with the restriction of "only FTP access"
14:08<alex__>:)
14:08<mandark>alex__: ok thx :)
14:09<alex__>i might be wrong though, keep looking :) Seems an interesting problem
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14:09<alex__>I am sure that someone proposed a FileSystem to deal with it
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14:11<lo>hi all. in debian is there any package taht allows you to have redundant imap? so.. if one imap server dies.. you're ok? at the moment i rsync every half an hour but it's a bit of a hacky solution
14:11<dondelelcaro>lo: the usual method is to use some kind of replicating filesystem as the mailstore, then it doesn't matter what your imap server is
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14:12<lo>dondelelcaro: that figures. but that's all im doing at the moment manually. can you buy hardware that does this agnostically?
14:12<dondelelcaro>lo: yeah, it's called a SAN.
14:12<lo>well i say manually, i do actually cron my script
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14:12<lo>dondelelcaro: OK will look into it. is that what enterprises do then?
14:13<lo>dondelelcaro: and is there any way to buld a SAN device using linux and normal hardware?
14:13<dondelelcaro>lo: often, otherwise they use one of the replicating filesystems or block devices
14:13<dondelelcaro>lo: yes, there are
14:13<mark76>I'm going to delete all my folders
14:14<lo>dondelelcaro: by replicating filesystems do you mean things like LVM mirroring?
14:14<dondelelcaro>lo: well, I really mean distributed replicated filesystems, like gluster, etc.
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14:15<lo>dondelelcaro: not heard of gluster but if i wanted to build my own SAN is that what I should be looking at?
14:15<mark76>It's the only way I can get rid of these messages in Kmail that refuse to be trashed
14:15<dondelelcaro>lo: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/GlusterFS
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14:15<lo>dondelelcaro: thanks :)
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14:15<dondelelcaro>lo: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_file_systems#Distributed_parallel_fault-tolerant_file_systems
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14:17<dondelelcaro>lo: http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailLocation/SharedDisk for example, too
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14:18<lo>dondelelcaro: just reading the GlusterFS page. very interesting. basically everything im currently trying to do manually in user-space
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14:20<dondelelcaro>lo: right
14:20<dondelelcaro>lo: there are some issues with using distributed replicated filesystems that you have to be aware of, but mostly, they're pretty nice
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14:39<serge>Hi all
14:40<sney>hi
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14:41<serge>I need help (sorry for my english, I'm french) for nvidia driver's propriety.
14:41<sney>for french you can ask in #debian-fr
14:41<serge>Ah thanks you;
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14:53<Drz70>Hello people. I have a problem with totem, it crashes the moment I want to play a file. what should I do?
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14:54<Drz70>any help ?
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14:54<sney>what debian version?
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14:56<Drz70>Squeeze stable
14:56<sney>does totem crash with every video file? have you tried any other media players?
14:57<Drz70>I tried them but they just play the sound file
14:58<Drz70>except Moovida, that plays them well but eats a lot of RAM and takes up a whole workspace
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15:00<sney>Drz70: please ask your questions in the channel.
15:00<sney>if you start totem from a terminal window, then try playing a media file, do any error messages show in the terminal?
15:00<Drz70>yes
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15:01<Drz70>"BadValue"
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15:01<sney>please paste the whole error to http://paste.debian.net/ and link it here
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15:04<Drz70>http://paste.debian.net/151748
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15:06<sney>Drz70: try asking in #totem on irc.gnome.org, if they can't figure it out, file a bug report against totem
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15:23<Darthkatzs>I was wondering if it's possible to see what's on a drive from the linux install shell and how I would go about and do it. Can't seem to find anything directly.
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15:24<sney>Darthkatzs: you would have to mount the drive
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15:26<Darthkatzs>sney: How would I find out the name of the drive to mount? Something seems to have corrupted my system. and I'm trying to find out if it actually deleted all the files in the root in some way.
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15:28<sney>Darthkatzs: it'll be /dev/sd something. I can't remember what tools are available in the rescue shell; you may be able to find it with fdisk -l, otherwise ls /dev/sd* and make an educated guess
15:28<sney>and then it's just mount /dev/sdwhatever /mnt/foo -t fstype
15:28<Darthkatzs>thanks, i'll try it
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15:31<Darthkatzs>frisk tells me /dev/sda1 exists (align with some others that aren't needed right now) but when i try to mount it it tells me "no such file or directory"
15:31<Darthkatzs>*fdisk
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15:33<Darthkatzs>fixed that
15:33<Darthkatzs>didn't create the directory
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15:35<Darthkatzs>this is strange
15:35<Darthkatzs>i mounted it
15:35<Darthkatzs>and it tells me everything seems to be there
15:35<Darthkatzs>but grub isn't loading it and when i try rescue mode it cannot find any shell to run on the root filesystem
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15:40<sney>Darthkatzs: is it the same architecture? a 32-bit installer will boot but be unable to chroot into a 64-bit install
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15:41<Darthkatzs>Yes
15:42<Darthkatzs>It's the exact same disk actually that i used for the installation
15:42<Darthkatzs>and for fixing several issues before
15:42<Darthkatzs>All the files seem to be present on the drives
15:42<Darthkatzs>grub isn't finding the boot records
15:42<Darthkatzs>and rescue isn't finding the shell
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15:44<sammy>does anyone successfully have 2 finger tap to click and two-finger scroll enabled on a synaptics input device in xorg?
15:45<SynrG>yes
15:45<SynrG>have you read http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad ?
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15:47<karim>bonjour
15:47<karim>tout le monde
15:47<karim>join #
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15:47<karim>#debian-fr
15:48<sammy>synrG, yes, have you? :P I appreciate that most people in here dont even attempt to rtfm first, I was just curious if people had to play with the BlahBlahDelta options or if it worked without any configuration, or at all. none of which is covered by the wiki page.
15:49<sney>Darthkatzs: can you chroot manually since you mounted it?
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15:49<Darthkatzs>I can get on the drives fine
15:49<SynrG>sammy: the reason i ask is after many unfruitful irc help sessions, i wrote a significant part of it
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15:50<SynrG>sammy: and i wasn't blaming you for not reading it. i just wondered if you hd.
15:50<SynrG>had*
15:50<sammy>SynrG: well thank you for that, very seriously. its open in my browser right now and helped me get to where I am, as opposed to the many outdated forum and mailing list posts.
15:51<SynrG>do you have emulated multitouch?
15:52<sammy>no, I checked Xorg.log, double and triple are listed as buttons.
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15:52<SynrG>are you using gnome?
15:52<sney>Darthkatzs: after you mount the drive, run 'chroot /mnt/foo' and see what happens. if that gives you a shell in your install, you can try reinstalling grub.
15:52<Darthkatzs>ok
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15:52<sammy>and single tap to click is working fine, so is two finger scroll in both directions. nope. awesomewm.
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15:53<sney>Darthkatzs: I'll have the channel bot send you some more info.
15:53<SynrG>sammy: what about using synclient to manipulate the settings. any luck there?
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15:54<sammy>I'm not sure what settings I would manipulate. you have two-finger tap to click and two finger scroll working without defining either of the -Delta options? I guess my next stop is playing with those
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15:56<SynrG>sammy: synclient TapButton2=2 would make a two-finger tap produce a middle click, for example
15:56<sammy>it just seems to default to thinking any two-finger tap is an attempt to scroll. *nod* I should try to have that option enabled without the scroll option and make sure it works, just in case.
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15:58<Darthkatzs>sney: It looks like my /bin folder is gone
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15:59<sammy>hmm would you look at that. it's not working with the scroll options turned off :( well I guess that's somewhere to start
15:59<sney>Darthkatzs: huh. that's pretty weird.
15:59<sney>Darthkatzs: did you have anything on separate partitions, or any encrypted loop filesystems etc?
16:00<sammy>SynrG: a middle click or a right click? Id like 2 fingers to be right, not middle. should I set TapButton2=3?
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16:00<Darthkatzs>sney: only run home on a separate partition.
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16:01<sney>well, since you have /home separate, best advice at this point is to back up any configs you need from /etc and/or any data you need from /var and then reinstall
16:01<sney>and try not to delete /bin next time
16:01<Darthkatzs>obviously i didn't do it
16:01<Darthkatzs>everything happened while I was not present
16:01<sney>well, that makes it easier to prevent.
16:02<SynrG>sammy: =3 is correct for right-click, i believe
16:02<sney>be more careful about who you add to the sudo group, maybe?
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16:02<Darthkatzs>sney: only one root account. all the services are run with su and people on their own account chromed to their homes
16:02<sney>well, there's a hole somewhere, right?
16:03<sney> /bin doesn't just delete itself.
16:03<Darthkatzs>any tips on what logs might show me more?
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16:10<sney>usually it's just a relative path gaffe. someone meant to type rm -rf ./bin but they mistyped
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16:14<jordanm>sney: or rm -rf /bin/$unsetvar
16:14<sney>yeah
16:14<Darthkatzs>nobody else had access to root except me. I'm trying to look at the auth log, but it's hard over ipmi
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16:25<k-man_>I'm trying to get atftpd to work but it keeps complaining that the directory has to be world readable/writable. I already chmodded it 777, not sure how much more world writeable I can make it? http://pastie.org/3162614
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16:31<jordanm>k-man_: I am not sure that is complaint. does atftpd -h display that message as well?
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16:35<k-man_>jordanm, yes it does, well spotted thanks :)
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16:36<k-man_>but still no joy, even if I run it with --no-fork it just gives me the help message and then quits
16:36<cjac>o/
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16:36<cjac>is there a way to find the md5sum of a bin distributed in a package?
16:37<cjac>perl -T is complaining about $PATH being unchecked, which got me to thinking that I have also not verified that `which nmap` is the one I expect
16:37<jordanm>k-man_: ommit the directory
16:37<retrospectacus>cjac: debsums
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16:38<jordanm>k-man_: oh, actually it looks like you need --daemon
16:38<cjac>thanks, retrospectacus
16:38<retrospectacus>np
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16:39<k-man_>jordanm, it still just exits imidiately, no help message this time - and its not running in the background
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16:40<jordanm>k-man_: is it not working with inetd?
16:42<k-man_>jordanm, trouble is, how do I test if it works from inetd? my cisco phone is not finding it. I thought for certainty's sake I should run it as a daemon, so at least I know its running
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16:43<jordanm>k-man_: maybe --daemon also requires port options. check the manpage
16:44<k-man_>jordanm, ok, thanks
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17:06<hook>Is there a sane reason why the latest TexLive — even in Sid — is as old as 2009?
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17:06<ansgar>hook: Missing manpower?
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17:07<hook>There's really not enough people interested in TeX to maintain it?
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17:07<bandita>marco estas mal
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17:08<hook>Not trying to rant, just trying to figure it out. If this is true, it is em ...odd.
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17:10<xcore>Mam problem z debian 6.0.3
17:10<xcore>Po¿e ktoœ
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17:11<ansgar>hook: There aren't. See for example http://lists.debian.org/debian-tex-maint/2011/11/msg00006.html
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17:11<chealer>hook: did you see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=643023 ?
17:12<xcore>Hej
17:12<hook>chealer: Not yet. I'm a (soon to be) Debian noobie
17:12<hook>xcore: Could you try English?
17:12<Bushmills>hook: maturity
17:12<xcore>Firebird 2.5 connect lan problem
17:12<xcore>Debian 6.0.3 I firebird 2.5.1
17:13<xcore>I can connect localhost but Lan connect is problem
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17:17<kusanagi>Does anybody know what happened with sarge to lose 500 DD? --> http://claudiocomputing.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/infographic_debian_history-en-v081.png
17:18<hook>Bushmills: Maturity can be an issue for inclusion in Sid?
17:20<Bushmills>maturity can be a reason for a package not having been updated recently
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17:20<hook>OK, makes sense, I guess.
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17:21<hook>Anyway, I'll subscribe to that bug and follow up on the issue.
17:21<hook>Thanks for explaining guys :)
17:23<chealer>kusanagi: you should ask the author for his sources on that graph
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17:33<rpetre>hello, any idea where i can find more information about evolution-* packages? on pkg-evolution-maintainers@alioth seem to be only spam and bots
17:34<retrospectacus>what kind of information are you looking for?
17:34<rpetre>i'm interested in the status and stability of evolution-mapi in experimental
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17:40<rpetre>if i got it right, packages don't migrate form exp to unstable, a decision from the maintainer is needed, so i was curious what are the problems with it
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17:55<dondelelcaro>rpetre: what about it?
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17:56<dondelelcaro>rpetre: packages in experimental are not fit to be released according to the maintainer
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17:56<dondelelcaro>rpetre: so it's perfectly reasonable to require a different upload to unstable
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17:56<rpetre>i know, i was trying to find out where i could get more info as to why
17:57<dondelelcaro>rpetre: depends on the package; but normally it's because the maintainer doesn't feel that version is supportable in a stable release, or that version is too new, or similar
17:57<dondelelcaro>rpetre: if you have a specific package in mind, we could probably give you more details
17:57<rpetre>dondelelcaro: evolution-mapi
17:57<rpetre>it's maintained by a silent alioth list :)
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17:58<dondelelcaro>rpetre: that's most liekly just because it required evolution 3.2, and evolution 3.2 probably was only in experimental
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17:59<rpetre>,versions evolution
17:59<judd>Package: evolution on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.30.3-5; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1
17:59<rpetre>cool, thanks
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18:04<dondelelcaro>I'm guessing that the maintainer probably just haven't had time
18:04<daemonkeeper>Or it breaks a reverse dependency.
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18:06<dondelelcaro>possible, but those sorts of breaks happen in unstable
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18:07<matthewkonnagan>hello i have an issue i would like help with
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18:08<dondelelcaro>matthewkonnagan: just ask
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18:09<matthewkonnagan>i cant seem to install skype latest ( package repo
18:09<matthewkonnagan>i cant open the package repo
18:09<matthewkonnagan>to edit
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18:10<dondelelcaro>matthewkonnagan: we don't distribute skype.
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18:11<matthewkonnagan>i knwo that but i cant even edit my repos to add the server to install it i even have the .deb file but i cant install it via dpkg
18:11<matthewkonnagan>know*
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18:13<retrospectacus>!tell matthewkonnagan about bat
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18:19<Oxx>quotas > me
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18:21<Oxx>anyone online that can perhaps help me with the order of doing the fstab, mounting, and creating the files?
18:21<Oxx>and installin
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18:22<Oxx>is where it normally halts
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19:05<jhutchins_lt>Oxx: What are you asking about? How to set up quotas?
19:06<jhutchins_lt>!quotas
19:06<jhutchins_lt>!quota
19:06<dpkg>i heard quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction.
19:07<Oxx>hello jhutchins, yes ive been having a hard time setting up quotas
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19:08<Oxx>im trying new as we speek
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19:11<jhutchins_lt>Oxx: This is what I used several years ago: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html
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19:13<Oxx>You can specify extra options if you need them, like 32-bit UID support.
19:13<Oxx>heh
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19:17<Oxx>thank you jhutchins : i will have a look
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19:41<jhutchins_lt>Oxx: You have to hold your tongue just right, but it works.
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20:00<P4C0>Hello, debian squeeze comes with postgresql 8.4, is there a way to upgrade it to 9.1.2 (using packages) or should I build the source?
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20:00<daemonkeeper>There is 9.1 in backports.
20:01<simonlnu>yes, backports. heh
20:01<daemonkeeper>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/postgresql-9.1
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20:36<Partempt>Is there a command/tool to get a constantly updated status of a network interface?
20:36<Partempt>Just bytes/packets sent/received & errors
20:37<Partempt>but constantly updated like top
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20:37<jaon>hello
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20:41<simonlnu>Partempt: vnstat is nice, jnettop
20:43<Partempt>I'll have a look at those. Thanks simonlnu.
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20:43<simonlnu>np
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20:50<zykotick9>Partempt: if you're looking for traffic levels only (with ascii colour graphic output) you might also want to check out slurm
20:51<Partempt>SLURM - I'm writing that down on the list now - thanks
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21:16<ratnick>anyone know how to add intrepid to epic5?
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21:21<abrotman>ratnick: wrong channel
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21:22<ratnick>abrotman: where to?
21:23<abrotman>ratnick: you mean Intrepid, the Ubuntu distro ?
21:23<abrotman>erm, Ubuntu release
21:23<ratnick>abrotman: no, http://epicsol.org/?page=install
21:24<ratnick>abrotman: intrepid is a scropit for epic
21:24<abrotman>why aren't you using irssi ?
21:24<abrotman>anyway .. i'm sure intrepid has docs on how to install it
21:25<ratnick>syas it needs a .epicrc file for syartup
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21:26<ratnick>says: It is best to load Intrepid only at startup via your ~/.epicrc.
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21:29<ratnick>so, if I create .epicrc, where do I file it? In the epic directory or some startup directory...
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21:31<ratnick>netsplit?
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21:51<i10neorg>What do the "+b#" on the end of package names mean?
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21:52<i10neorg>It seems they're not real updates because they don't get a debian changelog entry.
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21:53<i10neorg>Binary something?
21:53<i10neorg>Thank, y'all.
21:55<i10neorg>e.g. 1:0.4.2-4+b1
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21:58<simonlnu>i10neorg: binary NMU
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21:59<simonlnu>i10neorg: they get rebuilt because some library they depends on changed in some way
21:59<simonlnu>depend*
21:59<i10neorg>simonlnu: Thanks.
21:59<i10neorg>Hmm... sounds pretty important.
21:59<i10neorg>Does it make sense that they don't get a changelog entry?
22:00<i10neorg>Oh, I see.
22:00<simonlnu>they do, just very template-like
22:00<simonlnu>apt-listchanges will display them
22:00<i10neorg>That package didn't really change, but a library it depends on did, so the bit that call with it changed.
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22:01<simonlnu>*nods*
22:01<i10neorg>simonlnu: Awesome, thanks!
22:01<simonlnu>np
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22:07<Peter1234>well i am back again i can't get any luck i thought i mastered debian router technologies ,but still keep running into walls for some reason i can't ping all my interfaces i have 3 interfaces and i can ping 2 interfaces on the internal side but can't ping the 1 interface on the external side anymore i don't know what happened nothing changed except a reboot. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated
22:08<Peter1234>i have a config script that sets all my settings everytime i reboot so i don't get how this is causing the change.
22:09<Sorokya>i'm not sure.
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22:12<tp43_>my screensaver comes on every 10mins and I can't stop it, I killed xscreensaver, xfce-powermanager, and I set xset dpms 3600, but still every ten mins the screen goes blank
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22:15<Sorokya>Anyone know what that program is that replaces the gnome bar? like it just gives you desktop tabs at the top of the screen.
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22:17<abrotman>that's not a program, that's a window manager .. awesomewm ?
22:17<Sorokya>i'll look into it.
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22:18<Sorokya>nice! that's exactly what i'm looking for. Thanks abrotman!
22:18<tp43_>how do I share my audio device, pulse audio, thats the only way?
22:19<tp43_>I got some silly keyring that show up everytime I go to log into gmail, can I turn it off?
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22:44<amitz>i have low powered notebook. i'm deciding on fs of a var-like directory. should i go ext2/3/4 performance wise?
22:44<amitz>ide, 5400 rpm.
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22:51<nevyn>fixing the 5400rpm is first if you're worried about performance at all
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23:02<gan>We have HP DL 380 G6 server & i installed debian squeeze & xen kernel 3.0 on it , but it is not booting ,
23:03<nevyn>gan: some futzing with grub may be required to install on the correct device if you're using the smart array controller
23:04*nevyn remembers this problem with rhel on bl460's
23:05<gan>nevyn, could you exactly tell what grub prolem , if any thing need to install im ready to do it
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23:05<nevyn>gan: grub installs on the wrong device essentially
23:06<gan>nevyn, grub is proper so i m getting the grub mode during booting
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23:06<gan>& i can boot normally the system without xen
23:07<nevyn>hrm.
23:07<gan>nevyn, when i give the xen parameters in grub it is not booting so ..
23:07<nevyn>what cpu is in it?
23:08<nevyn>is it one of the systems that was 64bit but didn't have vt extensions or something?
23:09<gan>nevyn, it has vt support & it works for the xen with the kernel 2.6.32
23:10<gan>nevyn, but if i do for kernel 3.0 it is not working
23:10<gan>kernel 3.0 is integrated with xen
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23:29<mike3>Samsung NPRF711-S03CA LAPTOP for sale! price 500 obo! intel 2nd gen core i7 2630qm 2.0ghz processor, nvidia geforce gtm 540, 17" hd LED display, 500 gb hard drive, bluray player, 6 gb ram. if interested, please email me at unlockedmilestone@gmail.com
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23:30<nevyn>gan: xen isn't in mainline...
23:30<nevyn>at least I didn't think it was.
23:30<nevyn>kvm is.
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23:59<tp43_>my screensaver comes on every 10mins and I can't stop it, I killed xscreensaver, xfce-powermanager, and I set xset dpms 3600, but still every ten mins the screen goes blank
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