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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-11

---Logopened Wed Jan 11 00:00:43 2012
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00:17<gan>nevyn, we are using xen only .. our main query is , why the old kernel is working but not the new kernel 3.0
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00:22<Talon^>where is the default account creation mirror at? It's been so long I totally forget... I know somewhere there is a directory structure mirrored for new account creations, in which if you made a directory say public_html, every added user would have one in their home dir
00:24<Talon^>obviously ones created beforehand wouldn't but you get the point...
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00:28<nevyn>gan http://nozell.com/blog/2004/05/08/some-tips-to-reinstall-grub-on-an-hp-proliant-server/ this has some detail
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00:44<gdb>Talon^: Do you mean /etc/skel ?
00:44<gdb>Talon^: I'm pretty sure that's what you're referring to. ;-)
00:46<Talon^>yea that looks right
00:51<tp43_>my screensaver comes on every 10mins and I can't stop it, I killed xscreensaver, xfce-powermanager, and I set xset dpms 3600, but still every ten mins the screen goes blank
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01:00<gdb>have you tried "xset s off" ?
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01:04<symptom>Having an issue with atheros AR9285 similar to the one that was seen in Ubuntu 11.04 (i think) where the wireless interface will randomly disconnect on a regular basis. I believe this is the Bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/660864 does anyone know if this has been fixed for squeeze?
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01:05<tp43_>gdb, no, I will try that
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01:06<tp43_>gdb, I feel stupid, cause it was right in the man file, I don't know why I hate reading them thoroughly, I learn to skim read and never looked back, so now I can't read
01:06<gdb>No worries. man pages tend to be somewhat obtuse ;-)
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01:26<dropdead>I'm looking for the default Debian linux console fonts for my terminal emulator on my Windows machine, where can I find them in ttf format?
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01:29<jm_>dropdead: console fonts are not ttf
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01:35<dropdead>Would there be anyway to conver them?
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01:37<dropdead>actually answered my own question
01:37<dropdead>http://www.ank.com.ar/fonts/
01:37<dropdead>thanks
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01:39<nevyn>dreamer: there are many very nice console fonts in windows I quite like lucida console or consolas? the new vista one
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02:02<dreamer>orly?
02:03<nevyn>dreamer: sorry!
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03:24<noobster>hola...
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05:15<CHaiS>hi
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05:16<CHaiS>i've installed debian testing, but when I try to edit the "/boot/grub/menu.lst" I don't find this file
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05:16<nevyn>why are you editing that file?
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05:17<CHaiS>to can load windows xp and windows 7
05:17<CHaiS>I've installed this 3 operating systems
05:17<CHaiS>but I only have debian on grub
05:18<nevyn>they should have been detected.
05:18<nevyn>odd.
05:18<petemc>!grub2 config
05:18<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian and Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and http://grub.enbug.org/ (GRUB wiki). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Configuration
05:18<nevyn>anyway did you try /boot/grub2/menu.lst?
05:18<nevyn>a much better idea.
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05:19<CHaiS>i don't have /boot/grub2 directory
05:19<nevyn>CHaiS: do what the factoid says.
05:19<nevyn>install os-prober
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05:20<CHaiS>done, I've installed os-prober
05:20<nevyn>CHaiS: multiboot is kinda silly imho.
05:20<nevyn>virtualisation is much more usable.
05:20<petemc>not always
05:20<nevyn>did you READ the factoid?
05:21<nevyn>!tell CHaiS about grub2 config
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05:30<CHaiS>bye
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06:13<bcc>need to buy a new network card for our servers.. what is the best supported/rated network card to get? PCI-E rj45 1000base
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06:22<iaj>hey there
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06:23<iaj>can someone tell me how I can bring glib > 2.6.0 to my machine?
06:23<iaj>is that possible using apt-get only?
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06:25<nevyn>iaj: what distribution are you running?
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06:25<iaj>debian 6.0
06:26<iaj>just trying to get irssi from git to compile but it seems like im lacking glib and seem unable to install it :)
06:26<nevyn>dpkg -l glibc*
06:26<dpkg>No packages found matching glibc*
06:27<nevyn>iaj: that will tell you what version of glibc you have.
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06:27<nevyn>!source
06:27<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
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06:29<nevyn>iaj: youalmost certainly have a glibc later than 2.6
06:29<jm_>iaj: stabel has glib version 2.12
06:29<jm_>stable*
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06:30<nevyn>iaj: what you're most likely missing is libc-devel and you probably REALLY want build-essential
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06:30<nevyn>iaj: but why are you building irssi from git?
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06:38<iaj>libc-devel aint being found, build-essential I have...
06:38<jm_>it's libc6-dev
06:39<jm_>which is installed via build-essential
06:39<nevyn>but build-essential should drag it in
06:39<nevyn>along with make and the other bits n' bobs you need to be able to build things
06:39<iaj>yeh libc6-dev is on, as well as build-essentail
06:39<iaj>tial*
06:39<iaj>well... doesn't seem like it :(
06:39<jm_>it's more likely he's missing libglib2.0-dev
06:40<jm_>so really glib and not glibc
06:40<jm_>(and it's why I said 2.12 is in stable)
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06:42*nevyn sucks.
06:42<nevyn>my very bad.
06:42<iaj>jm_: nevyn thanks buddies!
06:42<iaj>I got it :)
06:42<jm_>no worries
06:43<iaj>http://mysticpaste.com/view/11319 do I have to worry about that?
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06:44<nevyn>yep
06:44<jm_>you need perl devel stuff just like glib
06:45<jm_>simplest is to do: apt-get build-dep irssi
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06:46<iaj>you made my day.. thanks
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06:49<tompickles>Hello all. My screen looks a lot dimmer than it does under my windows install, although the brightness is turned up as high as it will go. Is there a way to increase it further?
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07:03<deansu>tompickles: you might want to look into xrandr and --brightness
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07:04<deansu>or xbacklight
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07:53<tp43_>yahoo doesn't see my webcam
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07:59<hdl>hi there.
08:00<hdl>Anyone using squeze in Hyper-v around ?
08:02<arand_>&j #debian-fonts
08:02<dtw>!anyone
08:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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08:22<tompickles>deansu: sorry for slow reply re backlight. will research that!
08:22<tompickles>deansu: thanks
08:25<hdl>dtw ok
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08:25<hdl>I have a problem with a debian runing system on hyperv.
08:26<hdl>It seems that many tcp connections are sleeping and mysql connections are not closed.
08:26<hdl>I am running a perl application running in cgi mode.
08:26<hdl>And it sleep connections are piling up.
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09:08<resmo_>i just dist upgraded to squeeze and regret I decided not to use the new maintainer's conf. How can I change afterwards?
09:09<resmo_>purge and reinstall only?
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09:10<themill>resmo_: you can delete the config file and then "/msg dpkg confmiss" and follow the instructions there
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09:12<sacha>!list
09:12<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
09:13<sacha>ciao
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09:48<atlantide>hello, I iceape that crashes randomly from sites with the message of http://paste.debian.net/151866/ I am using debian squeeze with stable high priority has anyone a solution?
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10:30<xamuscadinho>Ai galera
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10:30<xamuscadinho>desenvolvi um sistema para identificação do algoritmo dos hashs pro Debian e derivados
10:30<@Ganneff>!br
10:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:30<xamuscadinho>Okay
10:31<xamuscadinho>I develop a tool to identify the algoritm of hashes, I call it Hashing.
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10:31<xamuscadinho>If you interest,ttp://www.seisetepc.xpg.com.br/Hashing_x64_0.5.3.71.zip http://www.seisetepc.xpg.com.br/Hashing_x86_0.5.3.71.zip
10:31<xamuscadinho>It works on Debian
10:31<xamuscadinho>and ubuntu etc..
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10:40<mosno>how would i generate a stack trace for the purposes of filing a more complete bug report?
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10:43<mosno>the program in question is a dynamically linked ELF executable
10:43<mosno>from a debian package
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10:44<resmo_>hmm. apt is driving me crazy, I try to reinstall a package with default config file, so I purge package and deleted conf and tried to reinstall using force-confmiss but it does not work as expected
10:44<resmo_>http://pastebin.com/FAY2kFMk
10:44<resmo_>any hints?
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10:49<anubis>Hi, i have written a little program in c++ for molecular dynamics for a school project. Now i am at the point that i want to make it available for others. I thought about creating a .deb package. I have no experience in this nor makefiles. first of all: do i need a makefile before i can create a debian package? (most tutorials advice to download a source-tar.gz) If so i maybe should focus on make-tutorials first
10:49<gsimmons>dpkg: tell resmo_ -about ucf confmiss
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10:53<andrea_>hi
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11:00<mandark>Hi there, it is possible, in bash, to redirect stdout to a file, while piping stderr to another command outputing to another file ?
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11:00<stderr_dk>mandark: 2>&1 >a_file
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11:01<stderr_dk>Order is important. >a_file 2>&1 would redirect both to the same file.
11:02<anubis>can anyone tell me if a makefile is required to create a .deb-package from c++-sources? By now i run my code from the ide and do not have much experience in building.
11:02<mandark>stderr_dk: Oh i heard about the importance of this order one day, thx for your response, but to understand what i'm doing, it seems that the line is read right-to-left, is it true ?
11:02<mandark>stderr_dk: It's a bit counter-intuitive, no ? There should be a reason behind this ?
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11:03<resmo_>gsimmons: you saved my day
11:03<resmo_>thx
11:03<mandark>stderr_dk: So i can do : command 2>&1 >a_file | grep blah > another_file ?
11:03<stderr_dk>No, it's read from left to right... Redirect stderr to whatever stdout is right now... And then redirect stdout (and only stdout) to "a_file".
11:04<lp>mandark: left to right. >a_file 2>&1 reads as "redirect stdout to a_file, then redirect stderr to whatever stdout is redirected to"
11:04<@Ganneff>anubis: yes
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11:05<anubis>Ganneff: thx, can u recommend a nice makefile tutorial or is googling the best way to find something good?
11:05<mandark>lp: but 2>&1 >a_file , seems at first read to merge stderr into stdout into the file, but in fact stderr is redirected to '?' then stdout is redirected to the file then '?' become stdout ? It's a bit strange no ?
11:06<@Ganneff>anubis: google
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11:06<mandark>lp: It seems good as it solve my problem, but I have hard time to understand underlying parsing
11:06<anubis>Ganneff: thx, bb
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11:07<stderr_dk>mandark: Read it as "whatever stdout is _right now_", not what it will be redirected to later.
11:08<lp>mandark: if you write the other way, 2>&1 >a_file, you'll redirect stderr to whatever stdout was (say b_file), then stdout to a_file - but this won't affect where stderr is redirected to, that was already done at that point
11:08<mandark>lp: Got it ! Thx
11:08<mandark>stderr_dk: Thx, you saved me some time :-)
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11:10<lp>mandark: there are nice intros to bourne shell of the net, see http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bourne_Shell_Scripting/Files_and_streams (you might want to read the entire book)
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11:11<lp>mandark: that specifically discusses streams, pipes and redirection, with examples
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11:12<RemixLOL>Holaa
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11:12<mandark>lp: thx :)
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11:14<lp>with security support for Firefox 3.6 ending in april 2012, will iceweasel 3.6 in squeeze be upgraded to iceweasel 10? see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal
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11:15<themill>lp: very unlikely, but what will actually happen is still up for discussion
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11:15<lp>themill: where, on debian-devel?
11:16<themill>the pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org list and debian-release@lists.debian.org list, most likely.
11:17<lp>themill: with the code base changed so much, inclusing completely new javascript engines, i thought backporting security patches will be impractical - was just curious
11:17<lp>themill: thanks
11:17<themill>dropping it from the archive entirely is another option, although I don't think that would be a particularly pallatable one.
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11:24<lamby_>lp: browsers are fast becoming moving targets. enterprises must be getting fed up
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11:26<lp>lamby_: yes… especially with some security addons not being working on older releases
11:26<lamby_>the add-on authors must be pissed off too I imagine
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11:28<lp>lamby_: not so sure, most recent FF updates haven't changed much for (some) addons. i haven't had some update in many months, and yet they still work on FF9 without any changes
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11:30<sney>I could see squeeze including/offering iceweasel 3.6 as it currently does, just with an update that delivers a single html page explaining the issue and your options
11:30<lamby_>I got a question. if i have bin,conf,etc,init,lib,sbin,scripts directories all in ~ and owned by root, what does this mean? to me it looks like a chroot jail or something but my path is prefixed by ~/bin and I'm wondering if it's a rootkit/trojan
11:31<sney>lamby_: well, it depends on where it all came from.
11:31<lamby_>it's just a VM a friend gave me. those folders weren't there when i last logged in (ssh access) and he swears blind he hasn't touched anything
11:31<lamby_>sney: exactly :-S
11:32<lamby_>if i run ls i get --color=auto: No such file or directory and `which ls` gives ~/bin/ls !
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11:33<lp>lamby: what does "echo $PATH" say?
11:33<sney>the standard ~.profile adds ~/bin to your PATH if it exists
11:36<lamby_>sney: oh right, well in that case that's not so evil then
11:36<lamby_>lp: same as it usually would only prefixed by ~/bin
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11:37<lp>lamby_: i thought he also added ~/sbin there, too… if that's a trojan (a rootkit would hide itself), it looks pretty amateurish
11:37<sney>lamby_: if you don't know what that stuff is or where it came from, I'd at least move it all into another directory so it isn't sitting in your PATH anymore
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11:38<lp>lamby_: what other commands does it have in ~/bin except ls?
11:39<lamby_>lp: busybox and a few other things. looks like maybe an extraction of initramfs
11:39<lamby_>maybe root extracted it to my home dir by mistake. donkey
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11:41<appy_>sdf
11:41<lp>lamby_: no ssh or ftp or something else that could catch your passwords intended for other systems?
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11:42<lamby_>lp: all loooks like essential ssytem utils. will have to have a chat with the owner of root and tell him to be more careful ;-)
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11:42<matthias>hi, I have question concerning cronjobs: my crontab looks like this
11:42<matthias> http://pastebin.com/ZA5pBTx5
11:42<matthias> the cron process is running
11:42<lp>lamby_: then maybe it's indeed just a mistake… i would still check the checksums of those binaries against the ones in a pristine debian installation, just to be sure
11:42<matthias> the date is printed to the date.out
11:42<matthias> (2nd line)
11:43<matthias> but the perl script is not running (1st line) and the date is also not printed to the standard output (3rd line)
11:43<matthias> why is this?
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11:44<lamby_>lp: doesn't debsums or somesuch other util do that for you?
11:46<lp>matthias: cron won't execute scripts with dots in their name; rename your script to something like change_wallpaper
11:46<matthias>ok, I will try it
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11:46<matthias>and why is the date not printed to the console?
11:47<lamby_>lp: that's only true for cron.hourly/daily etc
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11:47<lamby_>matthias: the third one is not being redirected to any valid file descriptor
11:47<lp>lamby_: it does, but only for packages including such a sum, and it also depends how paranoid you are… you don't know if the md5 or sha1sum programs have been tampered with
11:47<lamby_>lp: so is there any 'easy' way to check a system against the repos ?
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11:47<themill>!debsums
11:47<dpkg>somebody said debsums was a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`".
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11:49<grove>Why are you saying squeeze has iceweasel 3.6? The package is "only" 3.5.16-11
11:49<lp>themill: rebooting from clean media (e.g. rescue distro live cd) is the only way to be sure - debsums is more for checking against accidental hard drive corruption
11:49<lp>grove: oops, my bad
11:49<themill>lp: correct
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11:50<matthias>but what is the file descriptor of the console?
11:50<matthias>btw I've erased the dot from the filename and it still does not run
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11:51<lamby_>matthias: have you done chmod +x on the script ? does it specify a valid shell to execute it on the first line of the script ?
11:52<lp>matthias: lamby_ was right, it's only for the cron.daily & friends
11:52<lp>matthias: sorry
11:52<matthias>ls -l prints -rwxrwxr-x 1 matthias matthias 485 2012-01-11 17:48 change_wallpaper
11:53<matthias>if I run the script by hand it works
11:53<matthias>first line is '#!/usr/bin/perl -w'
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11:53<lamby_>matthias: what happens if you run the script by hand ?
11:53<Eren>which infrastructure is used for manuals like maintainer's guide, and debian policy?
11:54<Eren>I mean, how it's written and how it's converted to HTML
11:54<sney>matthias: if there are any file paths in the script, make sure they're full paths, not relative
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11:55<themill>Eren: it all uses docbook; the build-depends of the debian-policy packages (and the debian/rules file therein) may be of interest
11:56<lp>matthias: it might be that cron executes your script with a sanitized path - you could try to print it out at the beginning of your perl script, it should come as email
11:56<Eren>themill: thank you
11:57<matthias>http://pastebin.com/DDuwkBcN
11:57<matthias>this is the script
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11:57<matthias>when I run it by hand the desktop wallpaper changes
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11:58<lamby_>this is clutching at straws.. BUT.. anyone here run wordpres multisite ?
11:59<lp>matthias: isn't gsettings in /usr/X11/bin or something like that? try to include the full path for the external programs you're calling, or adjust your path at the beginning of the script
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12:00<matthias>gsettings is located in /usr/bin/
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12:04<lp>matthias: does gsettings need someenvironment variables like DISPLAY? do you get any emails after the cron job?
12:06<matthias>what do you mean? how should I get mails from the cronjob?
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12:07<lp>matthias: you could try `set && gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "file:///$photo" 2 >&1 | tee output.log` in your script
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12:08<lp>matthias: anything displayed (stdout) from cron jobs will get emailed to your user account, provided everythig is set up correctly with your MTA
12:09<lp>matthias: unless my memory is playing tricks again :)
12:09<matthias>you mean mail via smtp?
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12:10<lp>matthias: i think it's using the standard unix mailer, i don't think cron knows anything about SMTP itself
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12:11<matthias>so how is it mailed then? and to which address? %)
12:11<lp>matthias: most likely it pipes your script through the mail command
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12:11<lp>matthias: to user@localhost, most likely
12:12<matthias>and where do I get this mail then?
12:12<matthias>sorry, I am a little bit confused about this stuff. I never used mail before
12:12<lp>matthias: /var/spool/mail/username, most likely
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12:13<matthias>/var/spool/mail is empty
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12:15<lp>matthias: what about /var/mail ?
12:16<matthias>it's empty as well\
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12:17<lp>matthias: mail or not, the next time your script runs from cron, that "tee" should produce an output.log in your home directory /perhaps >/home/matthias/output.log works better)
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12:17<matthias>it did
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12:17<matthias>but it's empty
12:18<cob>Hola
12:18<cob>Hello
12:19<cob>hello
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12:21<lp>matthias: at least your script is being run...
12:21<matthias>mh
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12:22<lp>matthias: i don't understand why it won't display anything from "set", though; could you try inserting an echo something && before the set?
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12:24<matthias>I did
12:24<matthias>no output
12:24<lp>`echo "Running script for $photo" && /usr/bin/env && gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "file:///$photo" 2 >&1 | tee output.log`
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12:26<matthias>ok, still output.log is empty
12:26<lp>matthias: still emtpy? no idea, sorry
12:26<matthias>whatever? thanks anyway for your time
12:26<lp>matthias: you're welcome
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12:27<lp>matthias: i suspect a problem with the script, at least cron runs it
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12:30<lp>matthias: you could try to force perl to trace your script line by line, by changing the shebang line into #!/usr/bin/perl -d:Trace
12:30<lp>matthias: -w isn't needed when you have use warnings, perhaps the trace will give you some hints why it won't work
12:31<lp>matthias: good luck
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12:31<matthias>but then shouldn't there be also problems when running the script by hand?
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12:32<lp>matthias: not necessarily, the environment variables might be stripped away
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12:34<lp>matthias: on debian, /etc/default/cron and /etc/environment contains the env variables used by cron (man cron)
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12:37<lp>matthias: either set the PATH explicitly in your user crontab (man 5 crontab), or just put the full path for every external program you're calling, e.g. /usr/bin/find /usr/bin/grep /usr/bin/gsettings
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12:38<lp>matthias: not sure if you also need to set DISPLAY=:0.0 (i suspect only gsettings might need it, no idea)
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13:10<Nik05>hey guys, who knows something about iceweasel/firefox? :P
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13:10<Nik05>im looking at DNS queries right now and iceweasel is already looking up domains that i havent clicked on...
13:10<amoe>Nik05: go ahead and ask
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13:11<Nik05>iceweasel just running dns lookup for all links on the page, how can i disable this?
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13:13<amoe>maybe this? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.prefetch-next
13:13<amoe>dunno if that's current
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13:32<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
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14:34<matoc>doing an advanced debian install and got to "Kernel to install:" and I'm wondering what the difference is between "linux-image-2.6-amd54" and "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64". Anyone know?
14:34<matoc>*linux-image-2.6-amd64
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14:35<daemonkeeper>The former is a meta package depending on the latter.
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14:38<e-mode>Hi all! I have a Debian testing laptop with Gnome 3; updated yesterday and today automounting of usb pen doesn't work anymore. Anyone else has this issue?
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14:42<matoc>daemonkeeper: forgive my ingnorance, but why is a meta package being presented as an option kernel to boot from in the installer?
14:42<matoc>*optional
14:43<daemonkeeper>I guess it just lists any kernel package on the disk.
14:44<daemonkeeper>If you *really* want to know, ask #debian-boot.
14:44<matoc>I suppose it will install the full kernel as a dep...
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14:44<babilen>matoc: The main difference between these packages is that they behave differently when kernels are upgraded. The linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package will *always* stay on 2.6.32 -- The linux-image-2.6-amd54 will also install different kernel versions. Unfortunately it also installs 3.* kernels which is a bit counter-intuitive (if you expect only the linux-image-amd64 to do that)
14:44<daemonkeeper>... but not on stable.
14:45<daemonkeeper>Where the discussion is quite academic.
14:45<babilen>daemonkeeper: ... when you upgrade to wheezy it *will* make a difference
14:45<daemonkeeper>Yes
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14:45<daemonkeeper>But you will get a new kernel anyway there, thanks to Md :>
14:45<babilen>I mean even after it has been released -- For the current situation on squeeze the distinction is moot
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14:46<babilen>,depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --arch amd64
14:46<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 in squeeze/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64.
14:46<babilen>daemonkeeper: Oh, how does that work? I was mildly surprised to see
14:46<matoc>babilen: what is the safest path if one plans to dist-upgrade in the future (this is a server)
14:46<babilen>,depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --arch amd64 --release sid
14:46<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 in sid/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-amd64.
14:47<babilen>daemonkeeper: ... even though I can absolutely understand that decision.
14:47<daemonkeeper>babilen: I guess you will need a reboot orgy like the etch->lenny story was. How it will be solved in detail is undecided yet I think.
14:48<babilen>matoc: I would personally pick linux-image-2.6-amd64 now, install the linux-image-amd64 package and mark linux-image-2.6-amd64 as being automatically installed. (aptitude markauto)
14:48<matoc>babilen: thanks.
14:49<babilen>daemonkeeper: Well, it looks as if people will be asked to install one of the metapackages and that -2.6- will pull in a 3.* kernel regardless of its name.
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14:49<babilen>matoc: No -- Copy and paste off-by-one -- I would pick linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 now and ... mark linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 as being ...
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14:49<babilen>*sigh*
14:50<daemonkeeper>babilen: That's one option. Another one was the shaky Squeeze -> Wheezy transition a while ago, where you were presented a big warning and asked to upgrade the kernel.
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14:50<matoc>babilen: :) good thing this is a VM run through.
14:51<babilen>matoc: Sure, and this is something you can easily tweak afterwards. You will end up with exactly the same kernel in either case anyway.
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14:57<matoc>I've been trying to find out what packages are include when selecting "Standard system utilities" in tasksel. Anyone know where I can find out?
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15:01<Guest23743>testing xchat.
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15:02<e-mode>matoc: you can look up here the instructions for that : http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
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15:05<matoc>e-mode: I've seen this, but the options on that page are different than what I'm seing, specifically: "Standard system utilities" is not mentioned. I'm starting to think it is the "pstandard" package, but I'm not sure.
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15:06<e-mode>madoc : did you read it all
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15:06<e-mode>I see "What does the "standard system" task include? " and after that all the explanation adn a ready list too
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15:07<matoc>e-mode: like I said, the installer says "Standard system utilities" and not "standard system"
15:08<babilen>matoc: You can (generally speaking) list packages from a specific task with, for example, "tasksel --task-packages standard" -- This essentially means that "aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" packages are installed.
15:09<matoc>it's the *utilities* part that's throwing me off here. are we talking about the same thing?
15:09<babilen>matoc: I would recommend to install that task unless you have a good reason not to. See also "/msg dpkg standard" and links referenced in there.
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15:34<matoc>babilen & e-mode:FYI selecting Standard system utilities during the netinstall installs everything listed in "aptitude search ~pstandard", which is infact not what I want to do since it assumes I want packages like exim4 kerberos w3m perl, etc... which I don't need.
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15:35<babilen>Well, you *do* need perl -- And it also makes a lot of sense to install an mta (exim4 being the default on Debian)
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15:35<matoc>babilen: why do I need perl?
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15:35<e-mode>matoc, thanks; but isnt that what the wiki said basically? certainly the required and important are installed as well
15:36<matoc>e-mode: important and required are install anyways, I just checked.
15:36<babilen>matoc: Because dpkg (inter alia) depends on it for example
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15:36<matoc>babilen: interesting, maybe it should be in pimportant isntead :P
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15:37<babilen>matoc: Err, that was acutally wrong information. Excuse that
15:38<e-mode>matoc: doesnt the installer give you the option of opting out of the mail-server? I seemed to recall it did, but I might be wrong
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15:38<matoc>e-mode: yes, but it want to isntall an mta, I asume so it can at least deliver to local users.
15:39<babilen>!tell e-mode -about why a mta
15:39<matoc>e-mode: I think that installing the mail server also installs some sort of IMAP POP client... but I'd rather choose and do that myself.
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15:40<babilen>matoc: Actually -- You might want to read it as well (/msg dpkg why a mta) -- You don't have to install it, but it is recommended that you do. What are your reasons for building such a non-standard, stripped down, well, frugal system?
15:40<babilen>(some might say "unusable")
15:41<e-mode>thanks babilen, I know why an mta :) but for instance I opted out at the beginning just to cherry pick postfix
15:41<babilen>ah, ok.
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15:41<matoc>e-mode: me too.
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15:45<shanks>you know the smartd from smarttools. are these worth having on all systems. is there an example of where you WOULDN'T want it/them installed?
15:46<valdyn>shanks: smart just annoys me, reporting disks that work fine for 5 years as broken or soon to fail
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15:46<valdyn>shanks: or not reporting disks at all before they fail
15:47<valdyn>shanks: it doesnt do that much useful in a situation where you can afford disks breaking now and then
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15:56<shanks>valdyn: basically make sure you have a good backup strategy and it's unnecessary :)
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16:30<TheCrittaC>Have there been any reports of difficulties with the bash-completion package in Sid?
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16:32<nicolas>Hi, I migrated from the hpijs and hpcuips package to printer-driver-hpcups/hpijs then removed hpijs and hpcups. Now I can still scan from my printer, but I cannot print. I reinstalled the transitional packages to no avail
16:33<nicolas>when I try to reinstall the printer from the HP tool I cannot find it and when I try from KDE it complain hpijs is missing
16:34<ompaul>nicolas: scanning is nothing do with the printing aspect of what is goind on, you just said that you removed after you installing hpijs ... use cups and be happy :)
16:34<ompaul>nicolas: apt-get install printer-driver-hpijs
16:35<nicolas>ompaul: It is installed
16:35<ompaul>ja think?
16:35<nicolas>I am sure of that
16:35<nicolas>And printer-driver-hpcupŝ
16:35<ompaul>nicolas: and what is wrong with hpijs?
16:36<ompaul>hpijs-ppds << you wil need that
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16:36<nicolas>ompaul: It is installed
16:36<ompaul>nicolas: there is the other thing, when it's working why break it?
16:36<nicolas>ompaul: I followed the update of debian unstable
16:37<ompaul>reinstall hpijs hpcuips
16:37<nicolas>I already did that
16:38<nicolas>I'll try to summarize what I did more clearly
16:38<ompaul>nicolas: when was the last dist-upgrade?
16:38<nicolas>Today
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16:38<ompaul>ok I'll bring my sid box up to date right now
16:38<ompaul>back in a moment
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16:38<babilen>TheCrittaC: Yes: #648319 -- You should consider to install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges to prevent such problems. Also note that #debian-next is a channel specific for testing/unstable support.
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16:39<TheCrittaC>Okay. Thank you, babilen.
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16:49<nicolas>Ok. If anyone sees Ompaul again, let him know that I had to print what I have to print ASAP, so I left to another computer. I will come back another day with more time
16:49<nicolas>Bye
16:49<ompaul>nicolas: it works here - when I installed all
16:49*daemonkeeper sees ompaul
16:49<ompaul>nicolas: so there you go
16:50<nicolas>Yes sorry. Will come back another day with more time ahead. Work emergency
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16:50<ompaul>nicolas: works for me, and if you don't know how to deal with SID run stable please.
16:51<ompaul>dealing with SID is not getting caught like that
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16:54<ompaul>TheCrittaC: no problems with the latest d-u on sid and tab completion
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16:54<ompaul>daemonkeeper: I see ya :)
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16:55<TheCrittaC>ompaul, I'm not using the official Debian repositories, but applied the fix in the bug that babilen mentioned earlier.
16:55<TheCrittaC>I can gladly say that it solved my problem.
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16:55<sammy>so I have a very simple APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; and nothing else as far as pinning or priority in my apt config/preferences. apt-cache policy lists squeeze packages with 990 priority, as expected, and testing packages as priority 500, but apt-get upgrade still wants to install packages with a higher version from testing, even though their priority is 500 compared to 990 for squeeze. suggestions? what am I missing?
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16:56<ompaul>TheCrittaC: then it's hardly a debian problem :)
16:57<TheCrittaC>Well, I'm using a mirror listed on the Debian website.
16:57<ompaul>then it's a debian repo :)
16:57<acu>the apache2 does not work in wheezy - tried to use either mpm-prefork or worker - is that for me only ?
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16:58<ompaul>acu: please leave your questions in the other channel - not be asking them in two at once, you'll find a lot of gthe same helpers
16:58<ompaul>in both channels
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17:11<sammy>anyone doing simple apt-pinning or a mix of multiple releases? Ive done this before but I seem to be screwing it up somehow atm :/
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17:13<babilen>sammy: What are you trying to do and how are you screwing up?
17:14<sammy>so I have a very simple APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; and nothing else as far as pinning or priority in my apt config/preferences. apt-cache policy lists squeeze packages with 990 priority, as expected, and testing packages as priority 500, but apt-get upgrade still wants to install packages with a higher version from testing, even though their priority is 500 compared to 990 for squeeze.
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17:15<babilen>sammy: You should not mix stable with anything but backports (/msg dpkg bdo -- /msg dpkg ssb) -- I guess that those packages are needed to satisfy certain dependencies.
17:16<ChayDX>whassup
17:16<sammy>I know, I'm planning on building the pacakge in testing from the source package, because its not in backports. but what I dont understand is what depdendencies would they be trying to fill? i havent marked any packages for install or upgrade
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17:16<babilen>sammy: Which package is it? You can backport it yourself (to stable!) by following "/msg dpkg ssb"
17:17<user_>hi all how are things
17:17<sammy>hmm. lemme read what youre suggesting. I wonder if its what I thought I was doing.
17:17<babilen>sammy: There is not much I can do without a lot more information. But as you really shouldn't do what you are doing right now I don't see a point to dive deeper into it.
17:18<babilen>sammy: ssb (simple sid backport) does *not* involve adding testing/unstable binary repositories and pinning at all.
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17:18<user_>i am atm using rescatux. i am looking for a rescue os with testdisk in it. thi sdoes not have it. any ideas
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17:18<sammy>well I haven't pinned anything yet. and I see, only light up the deb-src repo not the binary one. this is maybe where I'm making my mistake
17:18<user_>rescatux is a debian baised grub rescue cd.
17:19<babilen>user_: Debian Live Rescue, GRML, ... testdisk livecd come to mind. (Also not really a Debian related question)
17:19<sammy>that was my plan, though, using apt-get -b package
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17:20<sammy>I'll remove the binary repo line and see if all is well. the package is asterisk. there is no 1.8 package in backports unfortunately.
17:20<user_>I just need to get a testdisk recovery of a hdd
17:20<sammy>but thats debian for you :)
17:20<babilen>sammy: Setting the default release is essentially pinning as well -- Just remove wheezy/testing binary repositories and add *source* ones for sid/unstable and you should be fine. Which package do you want to backport? Did you already install *anything* from wheezy?
17:20<user_>babilen, ok thanks i will look into them
17:21<user_>babilen, this is the first channel i ws taken to in xchat
17:21<user_>shesh
17:21<sammy>no I havent installed anything from anything other than squeeze yet. Ill remove the default release line. can I add a debsrc line for testing instead of unstable?
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17:22<babilen>user_: Good luck -- If testdisk doesn't work (depends on what you want to do) you can also take a look into gpart. (If you want to recover partition tables)
17:22<babilen>sammy: Adding the one for testing is possible, yes, but I would recommend to use the one for sid. -- Which package do you want to backport?
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17:23<user_>babilen, no gparted is not for recovering lost patitions it is a frount end for fdisk tools
17:23<sammy>ah-ha. the priorities look good now. asterisk is what I'd like to backport. I'm curious why I'd want to use sid, I'm not questioning you Im just wanting to understand :D
17:23<user_>only good for creating and deleting partitions
17:23<zykotick9>user_: technically a front end to parted actually
17:23<babilen>user_: Your XChat is not configured correctly in that case or you picked the wrong network/channel -- ##linux on irc.freenode.net would have been more appropriate, but I still hope that you'll solve your problem. Have a nice day!
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17:23<user_>testdisk will allow me to recover lost broken or such partitions deep inside the hdd
17:24<user_>babai understand that
17:24<babilen>user_: I am not talking about gparted, but about gpart -- http://www.brzitwa.de/mb/gpart/ -- Trust me, I would have written gparted if I wanted to refer to that. :)
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17:24<user_>most os have there support channel logging in automatically
17:24<user_>thanks i will give that a try
17:25<babilen>user_: tesdisk is fine though, just wanted to mention another one -- Anyway, this is getting way off-topic (I should know) :)
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17:28<user_>babilen, ok ok i thought it was short for that sorry i am going now
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17:33<ChayDX>hello
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17:35<sammy>babilen: asterisk is what I'd like to backport. I'm curious why I'd want to use sid, I'm not questioning you Im just wanting to understand :D
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17:47<Bushmills>sid can make the system misbehave in interesting ways which may be fun to watch
17:48<daemonkeeper>... like rm -rfing your root.
17:49<Bushmills>better than TV
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17:50<sammy>*shrug* ive been using linux as my desktop & server since 1997. if I didnt like interesting, Id have gone back to something more boring by now ;)
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17:56<babilen>,checkbackport asterisk
17:56<judd>Backporting package asterisk in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libpri-dev (>= 1.4.12).
17:56<babilen>,checkbackport libpri-dev
17:56<judd>Backporting package libpri-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
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17:56<babilen>sammy: ^^^^ I expected asterisk to be much more work, but apparently you only have to backport libpri-dev in addition to asterisk
17:57<sammy>*nod* I expected it to be much more work as well
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17:58<sammy>so why is it I would want to backport from sid instead of testing? if I'm backporting I might as well test the latest available package?
17:58<daemonkeeper>Sid gets newer packages than Testing.
17:59<daemonkeeper>However, Sid packages are also somewhat more fragile (some would say: broken) than Testing.
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18:00<sammy>daemonkeeper: I know those things. if they answer my Q, please elaborate?
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18:00<daemonkeeper>Just pointing out you seemed to confused branches.
18:01<daemonkeeper>*confuse
18:01<sammy>well I would prefer the most stable pacakge. its not available in stable or backports, so i was going to build the version in testing. but it was suggested I build from sid.
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18:02<babilen>sammy: It's the same version in this case anyway
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18:03<sammy>babilen: fair point. I guess it is many times
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18:03<itch>Hello guys. I have some issues with pulseaudio - eating a bit too much CPU, especially when using my bluetooth headphones. Also, since I installed it, all movies appear choppy / laggy. Is there anything I can do about this ?
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18:04<daemonkeeper>Unless we're in a freeze, Testing and Unstable are quite similar. There is an automated transition from Unstable -> Testing.
18:04<daemonkeeper>It is the very same binary package in fact which is copied to Testing after a while according some migration rules.
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18:05<sammy>*nod*
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18:08<sammy>does anyone know offhand what a {a} means after a package to be installed?
18:08<sammy>btw will aptitude figure out that I need libpri-dev built as well, or should I go ahead and do that first
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18:09<babilen>sammy: It means that is has been installed as a dependency and was marked as being automatically installed.
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18:09<babilen>sammy: You have to backport libpri-dev and install it first
18:10<sammy>babilen: oh! i never use aptitude on the command line like dpkg-the-bot suggested, just apt-get on the command line and aptitude's GUI. nifty.
18:10<sammy>thats what I thought.
18:10<babilen>Hehe, I almost never use aptitude's TUI :)
18:11<sammy>I like to use it to go through the suggested packages. and see why dependencies are being pulled in.
18:11<daemonkeeper>I wonder if backports could be automated. Obviously there are corner cases where this can't work, but generally a few lines of $programming_language_of_your_choice could automate this task mostly.
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18:20<tabojc>wenas
18:20<tabojc>saludos CTM
18:20<themill>!ubuntu-es tabojc
18:20<dpkg>tabojc: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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18:32<DestroyerZBR>Hi all
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18:40<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: How do you mean automated? The process of backporting every new package in sid or what?
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18:45<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: The !ssb steps can easily be automated. You would just have to "apt-get source yourpackage", check dependencies, if not fetch the newer source package dependency from sid, build, backtrack.
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18:45<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Write it, post it.
18:45<themill>(pretty much already done)
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18:46<jhutchins_lt>I think somewhere in my future is a VM with a development environment.
18:46<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: I have no use cases for backported packages, so my personal interest is quite low, I am just wondering why nobody came up with that idea yet. However themill seems to disagree and knows something.
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18:47<themill>there are a few pbuilder hook scripts around and it was discussed a few weeks ago on the backports-users list
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18:48<themill>As for checking the build-deps in advance, you can do that easily using judd or using UDD on alioth
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18:49<daemonkeeper>Sure, that's how I came up with that, as babilen demonstrated judd's backport uber-skills.
18:50<daemonkeeper>But I think, as a standalone program it should not rely on an external interface.
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18:53<babilen>Let alone judd :)
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18:54<themill>you could do it parsing Sources and Packages too... doing it using UDD is just simpler, hence having a CLI version of judd's stuff on alioth too
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18:56<babilen>dh_autobackport?
18:56<themill>eww
18:56<babilen>hehe
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18:57<daemonkeeper>dh_tools are the wrong approach anyway :p
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19:14<gaby>hola Mario
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19:39<jasonsmr>Question how do I add a program or script to startup when gnome 3 starts?
19:39<jasonsmr>I noticed that Quake dont start so much now
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19:46<TheCrittaC>jasonsmr, you make a launcher for it in ~/.config/autostart/
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19:47<TheCrittaC>It should be a .desktop file. You can use the ones that are already in there as a template.
19:48<jasonsmr>allrighty thanks
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19:48<jasonsmr>I was also reading a solution that suggested installing alacarte
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19:50<jasonsmr>TheCrittaC, well following your suggestion: I looked in the location and found two files quake.desktop and xchat.desktop
19:50<TheCrittaC>And they don't start by themselves upon login?
19:51<jasonsmr>It seems to my memory that xchat does..
19:51<jasonsmr>this is my first login since I upgraded from squeeze
19:51<TheCrittaC>Check the Exec parameter of the quake.desktop file.
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19:52*Silverscott est de retour (pas trop tot !)
19:52<jasonsmr>durring the upgrade I was in xsession and guake seemed to work fine after all installs and a quick login, perhaps I need to retest to be certian
19:52<themill>Silverscott: please disable that
19:53<jasonsmr>Exec=guake
19:53<TheCrittaC>Can you verify that running the guake command by itself starts the program?
19:53<jasonsmr>yes
19:54<jasonsmr>I think it was a quark durring this last start-up?
19:54<TheCrittaC>It's possible.
19:54<jasonsmr>let me verrify this
19:54<jasonsmr>s/verrify/verify
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20:01<jasonsmr>yes confirmed , It* guake does not start on its own and xchat does
20:02<TheCrittaC>That is odd.
20:02<jasonsmr>apparently now so does icedove
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20:02<jasonsmr>which it* did not before the last session ^^
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20:02<TheCrittaC>You might want to try doing it using alacarte then.
20:02<jasonsmr>oops my bad
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20:03<jasonsmr>it does start!
20:03<TheCrittaC>:)
20:03<jasonsmr>just pressed a few more times ;) I must have fat-finger-punched l)
20:04<jasonsmr>yup thats good
20:04<jasonsmr>a application window must be open
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20:05<jasonsmr>I really like the new gnome 3
20:05<tobiasr33per>its gona take me a while to grow into it ti think
20:05<jasonsmr>the behavior is efficient and elegant
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20:06<jasonsmr>strange a few bits of my hardware still do not function propper
20:06<jasonsmr>like I cant get my speakers to work or play any sound and the touch screen is non functional yet*
20:07<TheCrittaC>Was it functional on Squeeze?
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20:22<antonio>hello, i'ma antonio, i need help about debian 6 kde
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20:30<matoc>antonio: what do you need help with?
20:30<matoc>ah, missed him.
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20:58<Golfgeo>Going bonkers here, hpcups vs hpijs???
20:59<Golfgeo>Finaly got some ppd's loaded and now I have to make a choice for what type of driver I'll need...
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21:12<matoc>anyone else having problems with the gnome shell extensions website using debian sid?
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22:17<cosmonauta>olá
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22:35<user>hi
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22:35<Guest23784>k
22:35<kop>user: If you've a debian questionjust ask
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22:36<Guest23784>my java don't work
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22:37<kop>Guest23784: aptitude search java to list the packages, then pick one to install. Unless you have....
22:37<kop>!doesn't work
22:37<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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22:52<sklav>hi guys can someone tell if dpkg can list only files installed from a specific reo example testing?
22:52<sklav>reo =repo
22:53<kop>sklav: aptitude can do that, I think. See the faq at backports.debian.org. (Or just rtfm. :)
22:53<sklav>forgot about aptitude
22:53<sklav>thanks for the reference
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22:57<kop>sklav: (apt-cache does some good things too, but I can't figure out the half of them. The man page uses words like "madison" to explain things.)
22:58<Peter1234>Hey guys when you configure your linux routers do always make permanent arp entries on your interfaces is this standard practice ?
22:59<sklav>kop my issue is im using squeeze but i installed some packages from testing. I want to fix the preferences file so i get some auto updates
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23:00<sklav>Peter1234, in my case i do not but my debian router is for my home network
23:00<kop>Peter1234: It's probably an often used idiom on cheezy ISP connections that are bridged. If you've a router that's really routing neworks instead of bridging then you probably don't want to arp.
23:00<Peter1234>sklav so your arp entry doesn't timeout and drop from the table and lose all routing ?
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23:01<sklav>not in the last 10 years
23:01<sklav>:)
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23:01<sklav>my cheesy dsl connection usually dies way before my box ever does ;)
23:01<Peter1234>sklav is your internal interface hooked up to a layer 3 switch ?
23:02<kop>sklav: You're probably better off backporting stuff yourself. Mixing releases is trouble. But then again if your apt-fu is strong enough I suppose anything is possible.
23:02<Peter1234>yah my external interface holds arp its my internal interface thats not staying its timing out and purging.
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23:02<sklav>kop, i manually pulled nvidia sing apt-get -t testing nvidia-glx and the same for lxc
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23:03<sklav>so my apt-fu is white belt stuff at best
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23:03<kop>sklav: Dunno. Those sound like binary packages tnat won't backport, but that's a guess.
23:03<sklav>majority of my experience is rh / fedora but as of late i have been using debian
23:04<kop>sklav: I switched myself, mostly.
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23:04<sklav>switched to debian or away?
23:04<kop>sklav: If you're new, see the <overview> factoid/http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware
23:04<kop>sklav: To debian.
23:05<sklav>ok i figured but i have learned to never assume
23:05<sklav>:)
23:05<kop>Peter1234: At what point do they go away? That's odd.
23:06<kop>sklav: The perils of the brevity of irc.
23:07<Peter1234>kop : roughly after 5 mins or so. they go from reachable to stale to completely gone on my internal interfaces of the router.
23:07<Peter1234>kop: internal interaces are hoooked to a layer 3 switch .
23:07<kop>Peter1234: How are you putting them there? Using 'arp'?
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23:08<Peter1234>kop: no i am currenlty putting them ther with ip neigh permanently ,but i was wondering if that was standard issue with debian cause if i don't put them permanent they will purge automatically and only way i can get them back for another 5 mins is ping the internal interface directly.
23:09<sklav>am i mistaken in the fact that a layer 3 switch is just a plain old traditional switch
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23:09<sklav>seems google agrees on that
23:10<sklav>i have a basic 24port linksys switch and i have no issues using debian as the router/gateway
23:10<Peter1234>sklav layer 3 have routing inter vlan routing dhcp etc
23:10<kop>Peter1234: You're looking on the switch? They'll go away on any device but the linux box itself unless the IPs are used.
23:10<Peter1234>kop : no i am looking on the linux box the switch is still holding them
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23:11<Peter1234>kop : eth0 external gateway to cable modem arp stays and refreshes , eth1 internal gateway linux box doesn't hold an arp back to the switch unless i ping the interface .
23:12<kop>Peter1234: With arp -i eth0 (or whatever) to look?
23:12<sklav>Peter1234, that is the normal behaviour
23:12<Peter1234>sklav : if i lose the internal arp on internal nic i will not receive a packet backa and lose complete routing.
23:13<kop>Peter1234: You need to establish static routes, not arp.
23:13<Peter1234>kop : i do have static routes with a custom table for the internal nic
23:13<Peter1234>kop : and custom rules
23:13<sklav>when i configured a cisco a while back i added the linux box as the default gw
23:14<Peter1234>sklav yah thats i what did
23:14<sklav>on the switch
23:14<sklav>i see
23:15<Peter1234>sklav: the whole switch is pointing to the internal nic interface debian is not holding that arp unless i ping the internal nic then it stays for like 5 mins and i have routing etc but after it times out its gone from debian arp and no routing what so ever loss packets
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23:16<Peter1234>sklav : so the only way i get it working for sure is making a permanent arp entry the one that keeps going away. Thats why i was asking if this was normal it didn't see normal to me.
23:16<sklav>weird i just checked my box and the arp tables are intact
23:16<sklav>i haven't rebooted in 20 days
23:17<Peter1234>sklav: hmm you on squeeze ?
23:17<kop>Peter1234: I don't get it. Why does the linux box need to arp at all if the L3 switch is routing to it's ip?
23:17<kop>Peter1234: (Or arp anything other than the IP assigned the nic that is.)
23:18<sklav>Peter1234, can you set the switch to stop routing and just act like a switch
23:18<Peter1234>kop : i don't know it just does thats the only way i can get the packet back
23:18<sklav>your problem is in theory you have 2 routers
23:19<Peter1234>sklav yah in theory yes
23:19<sklav>linux is acting as a router and so is your switch
23:19<sklav>you need to add a static route on the switch to the linux box
23:19<sklav>so it knows where to route traffic
23:19<Peter1234>sklav except the switch is routing vlans and issueing dhcp and debian is routing from internal to web and dns
23:20<sklav>it's been too long since i messed with anything like that and im rusty
23:20<kop>Peter1234: There should be a single network between the Linux box and the L3 switch. You sound like you've multiple networks on that wire, but did not put muliple IPs on the Linux box's nic. (
23:20<sklav>:)
23:21<sklav>brb
23:21<kop>Peter1234: You could put multiple networks on that wire, but why?
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23:22<Peter1234>kop : i have eth2 as dns resolver one subnet , i have eth1 as internal gateway one subnet and eth0 external gateway with nat one subnet they are all on different subnets.
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23:23<Peter1234>kop : i have static routes assigned to internal gateway eth1 nic to route back anything from there inward to all the other subnets.
23:25<kop>Peter1234: And what network is eth1 on? And what network is the port in the L3 switch that plugs into eth1 on?
23:25<Peter1234>kop : the same vlan network
23:26<Peter1234>kop : /// same subnet
23:26<kop>Peter1234: And that vlan is not used anywhere else?
23:26<Peter1234>kop : no just for that wire
23:26<Peter1234>kop : the switch port and the internal nic on debian router
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23:27<kop>Peter1234: So what are you putting in the arp table for eth1 that's going away?
23:28<Peter1234>kop : arp entry with ip address to switchport address and mac permanent ?
23:28<Peter1234>kop : ip neigh add to ( ip address attached to switchport) lladdr ( mac of that switchport) nud permanent
23:29<kop>Peter1234: This is telling me that either the switch is not arp-ing or something's preventing it's arp traffic from reaching the Debian box.
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23:30<Peter1234>i think something is preventing its arp traffic from reaching the debian box
23:30<kop>Peter1234: You could try to tcpdump arp traffic on eth1.
23:30<Peter1234>kop : the switch arp is fine when i check it so you would agree this is not normal then as i am thinking .
23:31<kop>Peter1234: If you're not firewalling it away (somehow) then the problem is not on the debian box -- the source of the problem anyway.
23:31<Peter1234>kop : thats why i asked this question. cause i figured it seemed odd
23:31<kop>"it" being the arp traffic from the switch.
23:32<Peter1234>kop : yah no firewalls yet yah must be the switch not sending arp traffic
23:32<kop>Peter1234: If you do have a firewall turn it off (unpulg other stuff if you're worreed about security) and see what happens.
23:32<kop>Peter1234: It may be vlan related, having to do with tagging.
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23:33<kop>Peter1234: Either make sure that both sides are really using the same vlan (802.1q stuff, iirc) tag or make sure that the traffic on the wire is untagged.
23:33<Peter1234>kop : ok i will look into it i have been having the worst time with netgear prosafe switches they try to mimic cisco equipment ,but commands and stuff are so messed up its got to be the switch then.
23:34<kop>Peter1234: Again, tcpdump will be handy. (Perhaps sending stuff to wireshark for more analysis.)
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23:34<sklav>guy's im off to bed kop thank you for the references and Peter1234 good luck
23:34<Peter1234>sklav : goodnight and thanks for your info
23:35<sklav>np would have been more useful if it fixed something
23:35<sklav>adios amigos
23:35<kop>Peter1234: It's probably some sort of vlan tag mis-match. Simplest is either remove it entirely or make sure you put a vlan on the debian side.
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23:35<Peter1234>kop : you mean tag my interface on the debian side ?
23:36<kop>Peter1234: Yes.
23:36<kop>Peter1234: Or untag it on the switch side.
23:36<kop>Peter1234: That's probably eaiser than figuring out the what and why of what's happening.
23:37<Peter1234>kop : ok got you let me give it try .
23:37<Peter1234>kop : thank you if i don't see you when i come back. Be back in a few.
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23:55<Peter1234>kop : if you are still here doesn't work it . It also stopped the debian interface from receiving dhcp address from the switch after that to .
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