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00:20<Jef91>Is there a way to have dist-upgrade pull in the minimal amount of new dependancies?
00:21<Jef91>ohh nvm --no-install-recommends appears to work with it
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02:07<ttrrrreee>just updated testing and gnome 3 wont load. syslog says respawning too fast. anyone else?
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02:22<cardamon>Hey, anyone have some advice/links on implementing xinerama or another way to deal with my two monitors?
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02:27<jm_>!xinerama
02:27<dpkg>well, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/ . This functionality is provided by RandR in recent Xorg drivers, ask me about <randr>.
02:27<jm_>so ask dpkg about randr and xrandr and you shall get some info
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02:30<yopyop>Hello
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02:31<yopyop>which prog should i use to lock screen on students computer ? i use to build xlock with option for auto log out, etc. But xlock segfault randomly with intel drivers
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02:36<jm_>yopyop: where did you get xlock?
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02:57<cardamon>Where does vim look for it's .vimrc file when I run it with root permissions?
02:57<holsta>cardamon: ~/.vimrc
02:57<cardamon>holsta: except where is ~/ when you're root?
02:58<jm_>~ is always your home dir, regardless of the username
02:58<holsta>cardamon: vim ~/.vimrc will work as root. ~ is your homedir.
02:58<holsta>Regardless of username.
02:58<Nemoder>you can even type 'whereis ~'
02:58<lp>cardamon: ~ is expanded by the shell to $HOME
02:59<jm_>Nemoder: that doesn't give full path, or does it for you?
02:59<Nemoder>jm_: oh heh that's just for binaries sorry
02:59<holsta>echo ~ gives the correct path here.
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03:00<lp>echo ~ gives the full path just because the shell expands ~ before echo gets to see it… ~ doesn't really exist anywhere (try echo "~")
03:00<cardamon>Then why no syntax highlight when I $ sudo vim .vimrc ; when $ vim .vimrc does highlight?
03:01<cardamon>On the other hand, the sudo'd version isn't stuck in compatibility mode anymore, so I'm happy about that.
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03:03<Nemoder>cardamon: does your root user have the correct .vimrc in it's home folder?
03:03<cardamon>It's same user.
03:04<lp>cardamon: as root, type cat ~root/.vimrc and cat ~yournormaluser/.vimrc - that's why… each user has his own $HOME, and his own config files
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03:04<jm_>using sudo vim -V foo will tell you which files are read
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03:06<cardamon>jm_: Thank you. It's looking in $HOME/.vimrc, which doesn't exist. $HOME for root expands to /root
03:07<lp>cardamon: if you want sytax highlighting for all users, including root, do it in /etc/vim/vimrc.local
03:07<jm_>cardamon: exactly
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03:08<jm_>cardamon: that's why we told you to edit ~/.vimrc for the target user
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03:14<cardamon>How about symlinks something across permissions? Like I want to symlink /home/$USER/.vimrc and /etc/vim/vimrc.local so that one changes the other and vice versa. Or would a hard link be better? but the user local one would have $USER's write permissions and the /etc/ located one would have root write permissions.
03:15<cardamon>Bleh, overthinking.
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03:15<jm_>cardamon: you won't be able to change /etc/foo as regular user
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03:29<holsta>cardamon: Another option would be to use sudoedit instead of running vim as root.
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03:30<holsta>Depends on the kind of setup you are running, though.
03:31<Slydder>could someone explain why this redirect of a variable containing a filename in Bash doesn't work? CRONSTART=$(<${FROXCRON})
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03:34<user>need help
03:34<jasonsmr>any people want to help me write a driver for my sound card for alsa
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03:35<holsta>Slydder: Odd. That works for me.
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03:36<Slydder>holsta: no matter what I do it won't work for me
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03:37<holsta>Slydder: what's in FROXCRON?
03:37<Slydder>just a variable that holds a filename
03:38<holsta>Yes, I got that part. What's in the variable?
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03:38<Slydder>the firsttime through the loop it hold /var/run/froxtest
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03:38<Slydder>which is there and has content
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03:40<holsta>And the user can read the file?
03:40<Slydder>should have just set the script to executable instead of running "sh test.sh"
03:41<holsta>Ah, yes. sh is not bash. Well, ought not be, anyway.
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03:42<yopyop>jm_, from http://www.tux.org/~bagleyd/xlockmore.html
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03:44<jm_>yopyop: debian package?
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03:47<yopyop>No, i got source from web site, xlockmore sources only avaible in sid
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03:47<yopyop>i shoud try with those
03:48<jm_>or possibly ask on their mailing list
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03:48<jm_>I am using xlockmore from sid compiled on squeeze and haven't seen it core dump, but I am not using the intel driver
03:49<yopyop>ok, will give a try, thanks
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04:50<yopyop>jm_ : have you try to use public logout button by defining time in /etc/X11/Xresources/xlockmore ?
04:53<jm_>yopyop: no, I use xautolock for that instead
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06:52<[C88]Chr0m3>Hello world!
06:53<[C88]Chr0m3>I got stuck while setting up apache
06:53<[C88]Chr0m3>and I would need some help
06:53<[C88]Chr0m3>could anybody help me?
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06:55<babilen>We would need more details in order to be able to :)
06:55<[C88]Chr0m3>ok :D
06:56<[C88]Chr0m3>I'm configuring postfix
06:56<[C88]Chr0m3>finished configurations and all should work well
06:56<[C88]Chr0m3>but I also neet to remove the config test from apache
06:57<[C88]Chr0m3>and I can't find it nowhere =/
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06:57<[C88]Chr0m3>I'm a bit new to linux, but somehow I managed to find it once
06:57<babilen>Which config test and why do you think that you need to remove it?
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06:58<[C88]Chr0m3>my teacher told us to do so, and now because I haven't removed it I got lots of errors
06:59<[C88]Chr0m3>the error message says:
06:59<babilen>!paste
06:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
06:59<[C88]Chr0m3>syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apache2/sites-enable/apache2.conf
06:59<[C88]Chr0m3>this is the default apache2.conf
07:00<[C88]Chr0m3>and I should comment or remove the configtest from it
07:00<[C88]Chr0m3>but I can't faind it in there :(
07:01<[C88]Chr0m3>and this repeats about 200 times
07:01<[C88]Chr0m3>after that is stops
07:02<[C88]Chr0m3>apache2 error log says iw works
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07:02<[C88]Chr0m3>what the hell
07:02<[C88]Chr0m3>it*
07:03<[C88]Chr0m3>any ideas? :P
07:03<babilen>Splendid -- Can you tell me exactly what you've done before? Please also note that Debian's apache2 package does not ship /etc/apache2/sites-available/apache2.conf, but /etc/apache2/apache2.conf -- It looks as if you copied the apache2.conf to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ -- How did you enable the "site" ? If you did indeed base the site configuration on apache2.conf: Why? Why not use the default template in ...
07:03<babilen>... /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ?
07:04<[C88]Chr0m3>I made a symlink of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf to /sites-enabled
07:04<babilen>[C88]Chr0m3: What does "ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enable/apache2.conf" give you?
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07:05<[C88]Chr0m3>it says it is a symlink to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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07:05<[C88]Chr0m3>and 777 are the permissions :P
07:05<babilen>[C88]Chr0m3: That is your mistake -- First and foremost you shouldn't have to create the symlinks yourself, but you use a2ensite and a2dissite to enable/disable sites declared in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ (a2enmod/a2dismod for modules) -- You can find an example for a suitable configuration in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
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07:06<[C88]Chr0m3>hmm
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07:06<[C88]Chr0m3>taking a look
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07:07<babilen>[C88]Chr0m3: So in short: Leave the apache2.conf where it is and use smaller configuration files (such as /etc/apache2/sites-available/default) to define different sites -- you can find examples in /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/apache2/* -- Please also read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
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07:08<[C88]Chr0m3>thank you :)
07:08<[C88]Chr0m3>I didn't pay enough attention in class, so I mistyped something
07:08<[C88]Chr0m3>and that was the problem :P
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07:08<JOSEMA>o0la
07:08<JOSEMA>o0laaaaaa
07:08<JOSEMA>o0la
07:08<JOSEMA>o0la
07:08<JOSEMA>o0la
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07:09<babilen>*sigh*
07:09<babilen>[C88]Chr0m3: So, what was the mistake exactly?
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07:09<[C88]Chr0m3>I wanted to activate the apache2 configfile instead of a site configfile
07:10<babilen>Indeed! Well, good luck and have fun :)
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07:10<[C88]Chr0m3>thank you for your help :)
07:10<[C88]Chr0m3>have a good day
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07:10<[C88]Chr0m3>byebye
07:10<babilen>No problem, have a good day as well.
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07:24<try4error>hii sista
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07:32<dreamer>hmmm, anyone know how to get GLIBCXX_3.4.14 in squeeze?
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07:35<jm_>do you have libstdc++6 installed?
07:35<jm_>ahh it's .13 in squeeze
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07:35<dreamer>yeah
07:36<dreamer>I want to run the latest stable synergy. instead of the ancient version in squeeze (the client keeps disconnecting
07:37<babilen>dreamer: So rebuild it for squeeze (/msg dpkg ssb)
07:37<babilen>,versions synergy
07:37<judd>Package: synergy on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.1-5; squeeze: 1.3.1-5; sid: 1.3.8-1; wheezy: 1.3.8-1
07:37<themill>dreamer: newer versions of synergy aren't better, btw.
07:39<dreamer>themill: hehe, well I'm hoping if it's the same version as the server it won't disconnect or crash as often
07:39<themill>that might work but unlikely. The best behaved version of synergy was the one in etch....
07:39<themill>dreamer: so what version do you have on the server end?
07:40<dreamer>1.3.8
07:40<dreamer>running sid on my laptop
07:41<dreamer>I was using synergyc on a 64bit squeeze client before with no problem
07:41<dreamer>but not sure if I backported it back then or not (is about a year ago)
07:41<themill>it's a trivial backport to do
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07:44<dreamer>yeah, performing it now
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07:44<tunguskaboy>hello all. I'm running Debian Sid up-to-date, KDE 4.7.4 from experimental, kernel 3.2-rc7, and nvidia 290.10. Since the 280 driver, I cannot suspend my notebook - it suspends allright, and when it´s resuming, the screen stays black. Anyone having the same problem or/and have a solution?
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07:47<dreamer>themill: hmm, it built 2 debs. should I install both? (dpkg says "install resulting debs"). I'm running 2.6.32-5-amd64 and one package is called amd64. the other Linux-x86_64
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07:49<themill>there shouldn't be two .debs, only one...
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07:50<dreamer>themill: ah wait, never mind. that's the one I downloaded from their website :D
07:50<dreamer>*doh*
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07:52<lokikp>how can i deactivate my wifi card (ath9 module) via command line??? i have used ifconfing wlan0 down but when i try ifconfing -a still display wlan0 interface (meaninig that is active...)
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07:54<lokikp>the module is ath9k :)
07:54<kilelme>lokikp: maybe this can help you ifconfig wlan0 up
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07:55<lokikp>i have tryied already :)
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07:56<lokikp>so is this bug of ifconfig or eth9k?
07:56<lokikp>any idea?
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07:58<Thorgrin>lokikp: ifconfig -a shows all interfaces, even deactivated (down)
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07:58<Thorgrin>if you want to remove the interface, unload the ath9 module
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07:59<lokikp>Thorgrin man ifconfig disagree......
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07:59<hobgoblinsmaster>lokikp: ifconfig will show you the interface even if down when the module is loaded. If you want to deactivate the interface completely, unload the module, use your hardware kill switch or rfkill
08:00<lokikp>thanks hobgoblinsmaster
08:00<lokikp>:)
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08:02<Thorgrin>isn't that what I said? ;-)
08:02<marie>hi, my debian squeeze system freezes for a second or two on my toshiba laptop. this happens when i open a folder, or click on debian menu bar, or browse a website with some images....
08:02<lokikp>yes you right
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08:02<lokikp>thank you too
08:02<lokikp>:)
08:02<cabpa>hello i want to ask if you experience in apt when you remove a package, apt will also remove an installed package where i still need to use the package
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08:03<jm_>cabpa: you mean it removes automatically installed packages?
08:03<marie>hi, my debian squeeze system freezes for a second or two on my toshiba laptop. this happens when i open a folder, or click on debian menu bar, or browse a website with some images....
08:03<hobgoblinsmaster>lokikp: if you need more controle over your interfaces, try to use ip from iproute package, this is the official Linux kernel network cli command, ifconfig is the more general Unix one
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08:04<cabpa>jm_, im sorry i was upgrading packages yesterday but it also remove my installed vlc player which i still need
08:04<jm_>cabpa: upgrading how?
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08:05<lokikp>hobgoblinsmaster i want only to deactive the antena (save powerfrom laptop batary)
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08:05<lokikp>hobgoblinsmaster i will give a try to iproute
08:06<lokikp>:)
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08:06<cabpa>jm_, im sorry i was installing all package updates but apt also suggested to remove vlc. I dont know why apt suggested to remove vlc
08:06<themill>cabpa: upgrading from what to what?
08:06<themill>and how were you doing it?
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08:07<hobgoblinsmaster>the best way to save power is to use your killswitch if you have or rfkill + modprobe -r ath9k. Else, your device may consume battery
08:08<lokikp>rfkill + modprobe -r ath9k cannotbe used because the lan card is also an atheros....
08:09<lokikp>so.....
08:09<hobgoblinsmaster>with the same kernel module ?
08:09<lokikp>i suppose.. giving lsmod....
08:09<cabpa>themill, i updated the packages using aptitude -i, then pressed u to update all packages the pressed g to download packages then g again to install packages
08:10<themill>cabpa: ok, so you upgraded using aptitude. But we still don't know what you upgraded from and to. Are you running lenny? squeeze? wheezy? How long since you've upgraded?
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08:11<lokikp>ath 21370 2 ath9k,ath9k_hw ..... the output
08:12<cabpa>themill, im using squeeze, this is the first time i had updated all packages. i installed squeeze last sept 2010
08:12<themill>egads
08:13<hobgoblinsmaster>run lspci -v , you will see for each pci device the driver used
08:13<lokikp>hobgoblinsmaster so what .... any idea?
08:15<hobgoblinsmaster>modinfo says me that ath* modules are only for wireless cards
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08:17<cabpa>jm_, what is the proper way to update all packages
08:17<cabpa>themill, what is the proper way to update all packages
08:18<jasonsmr>hello channel Anyone on that can help explain Alsa to me a bit?
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08:18<themill>cabpa: what you did is fine, you just have to pay attention. You were doing a pretty big upgrade there. Remember also that aptitude will try to clean up packages that look like they're no longer used for you.
08:18<jm_>cabpa: aptitude safe-upgrade
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08:20<cabpa>thank you themill and jm_ . i will update you because i want to install back vlc
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08:20<jm_>cabpa: yeah I was just going to say to simply try and reinstall it
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08:34<id10t>'lo all
08:35<id10t>anyone using kde, with folderview, and dual monitors via twinview?
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08:36<id10t>i've got folderview working (no idea how i did it) so monitor 1 shows ~/Desktop, like gnome did... but the second monitor is a "separate" beast... i can drag apps abck and forth, but not the folderview... ideas?
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08:53<lokikp1>any udev master ??? want to say udev not to load athk9 module at startup ... thinking something like echo "blacklist ath9k" >> /etc/modprobe.d/wifi.conf and then update-modules..... is it ok?
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08:59<cabpa>thank you themill and jm_ . now i have unresorvalble dependencies when i install vlc
08:59<cabpa>is is saying The following packages have unmet dependencies:
08:59<cabpa> libva1: Breaks: vlc-nox (< 1.1.5-3) but 1.1.3-1squeeze6 is to be installed.
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09:04<themill>cabpa: that's not a squeeze system then -- it's a mixture of releases. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg perl libva1 vlc" for me?
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09:05<Bob_>I use to have an Ubuntu machine, but after they kept changing everything, I decided to switch back to debian, and told me wife to leave the comptuer alone, for some reason, when I use system-config-printer and ask it to search for a network printer that is connected to my dlink dns-323 raid machine, it will not find it, it use to find it in ubuntu. The printer sits at ip address 192.168.XXX.XXX/lp at least thats what is use to be set too, I have googled and cant
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09:08<cabpa>themill, here is my apt-cache policy apt-cache policy; Package files:
09:08<cabpa> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
09:08<cabpa> release a=now
09:08<cabpa> 700 http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable/main i386 Packages
09:08<cabpa> release v=1.0,o=Google, Inc.,a=stable,n=stable,l=Google,c=main
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09:22<EmleyMoor>Are there any utilities in Debian that are useful with an Android phoneL
09:22<EmleyMoor>?
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09:25<cabpa>themill, im sorry i flooded the room /msg dpkg paste
09:26<cabpa>Package files:
09:26<cabpa> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
09:26<cabpa> release a=now
09:26<cabpa> 700 http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable/main i386 Packages
09:26<cabpa> release v=1.0,o=Google, Inc.,a=stable,n=stable,l=Google,c=main
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09:26<devil>haha
09:27<koollman>well ... he tried :)
09:28<devil>not hard enough :)
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09:30<babilen>... should work now
09:31<babilen>cabpa: Please give us the URL you just told me about in our private chat
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09:31<cabpa>themill, babilen helped me pasting multi lines. here is the url for my apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/152016/
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09:31<babilen>\o/
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09:33<babilen>cabpa: There are multiple problems with your sources.list -- First and foremost you have "testing" and it is strongly recommended to not mix stable/squeeze with testing.
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09:33<themill>oh my what a mess
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09:34<babilen>cabpa: Secondly you have lenny-backports which is not appropriate for squeeze. Squeeze has its own backports (squeeze-backports) that you should use. You can read http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ to learn how to use backports for Squeeze.
09:34<cabpa>i will paste my /etc/apt/preferences
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09:35<cabpa>o my! thank you very much babilen and themill
09:36<tobson>i ve just installed debian. why i am able to play videos on yt? dont i ve to install flash first?
09:36<cabpa>i will check again after i will update with new apt sources.list edition
09:36<babilen>cabpa: Thirdly you have a couple of pinned packages (they are mostly pinned to the version in squeeze, but libva1 is not) -- It looks as if you already installed packages from testing which has most likely broken your system. How to proceed depends on the number/nature of packages you installed from testing.
09:37<cabpa>babilen, so should uninstall libval1?
09:37<babilen>cabpa: hang on
09:38<cabpa>or my there is a problem with my pinning
09:38<cabpa>?
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09:39<cabpa>babilen, is there a problem with my pinning?
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09:40<babilen>cabpa: The problem is that you mixed stable with testing which you should *never* do -- There are basically three ways to fix your system: 1. Reinstall squeeze and never touch testing/unstable again 2. If you only have a very small number of unimportant packages installed from testing you might be able to revert to stable 3. Completely switch to testing
09:41<cabpa>babilen, how should i replace testing packages with stable packages?
09:42<babilen>cabpa: Could you run: dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'|grep -E "testing/
09:42<babilen>cabpa: Paste the result to http://paste.debian.net please
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09:42<babilen>cabpa: Err, I was missing a " at the very end
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09:43<themill>eek.. that looks like the sort of pipeline I'd come up with
09:44<babilen>themill: It is :)
09:44<themill>;)
09:44<themill>it doesn't handle packages that are in two distributions very gracefully though
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09:44<cabpa>babilen, here is the url for the ouput http://paste.debian.net/152017/
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09:45<babilen>themill: I have to investigate weasel's apt-listrepository and dannf's apt-inventory -- It's remarkable that a tool like that is not yet part of debian-goodies, devscripts or has been packaged individually.
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09:46<themill>indeed
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09:48<babilen>cabpa: Ok, that's not *that* bad. You want to purge those package, fix your sources.list and remove any pinning. Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net (single paste!) after you've done that.
09:48<babilen>cabpa: The only package that might be problematic in that set is probably libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common, but lets see.
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09:49<cabpa>babilen, ill be back
09:49<babilen>ok
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09:54<cabpa>babilen, remove the packages will remove many installed packages
09:54<babilen>cabpa: Which is probably due to libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common -- Can you purge the rest?
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09:57<cabpa>babilen, same result
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09:58<babilen>cabpa: Ok, purge as many packages as possible -- You can try to downgrade the rest to their version in squeeze by pinning squeeze to a priority >= 1001 and running "apt-get dist-upgrade", but that may or may not work.
09:58<babilen>cabpa: I recommend option 1. if it doesn't.
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09:59<john_>I have just tar -> wget (to a debian server) -> untar some files whilst migrating a site. For some reason the site is showing up as permission forbidden even though both the user/usergroup are correct and permissions are 644 is there anything else that could be affecting apaches ability to display the site contents?
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10:00<babilen>cabpa: Ah, well. You can also just accept that those packages need to be removed and go ahead with that. Fix your sources.list after that and reinstall whatever you want. As this will, most likely, remove a significant amount of Gnome packages you might want to do this on a console, rather than within X/Gnome.
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10:01<cabpa>babilen, this is a bad situation
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10:04<babilen>cabpa: Indeed
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10:10<cabpa>thank you babilen i will try 1st option
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10:15<jesusitomio>ola
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10:16<jesusitomio>ola gannef
10:16<themill>!es-social jesusitomio
10:16<dpkg>jesusitomio: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:17<jesusitomio>hello
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11:17<Beltenebros>hi alguien que sepa como instalar la distro debian mips???
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11:18<Beltenebros>hi alguien que sepa como instalar la distro debian mips???
11:18<Beltenebros>hi alguien que sepa como instalar la distro debian mips???
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11:19<Beltenebros>hola!!! tais tos mudos???????
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11:19<EagleScreen>hola Beltenebros, yo aún sé hablar
11:19<Beltenebros>menos mal!!
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11:20<Beltenebros>oyes
11:20<Beltenebros>tengo alguna preguntilla
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11:20<EagleScreen>Debian mips?
11:20<Beltenebros>sobre crear discos de instalacion y demas
11:20<Beltenebros>si
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11:21<Beltenebros>la distro de debiam para equipos con tecnologia mips
11:21<Beltenebros>lease equipos silicon graphics
11:21<Beltenebros>ejemplo indigo2
11:21<EagleScreen>nunca jamás he visto un mips, como son?
11:21<Beltenebros>mips es el tipo de arquitectura
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11:22<xbytemx>El procesador
11:22<Beltenebros>ej.. x86 x64 ..... mips
11:22<Beltenebros>bueno
11:23<xbytemx>no esta el instalador en la pagina o el wiki?
11:23<EagleScreen>cual es el problema, no puedes arrancar el instalador?
11:23<Beltenebros>el instalador???
11:23<EagleScreen>ese quipo no arranca desde CD-ROM?
11:23<Beltenebros>se supone que si
11:23<xbytemx>Los paquetes compilados si estan por lo q recuerdo
11:24<EagleScreen>mips es una arquitectura oficial soportada en Debian 6.0
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11:24<Beltenebros>pero cuando le pongo el cd que he quemado con el ubuntu
11:24<EagleScreen>las imagenes estan aqui: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/mips/iso-cd/
11:24<Beltenebros>ok
11:24<Beltenebros>ya las tengo
11:24<Beltenebros>pero no grabo bien los isos
11:25<Beltenebros>cuando los meto en la tostadora que trae por cd el indigo no lo reconoce
11:25<xbytemx>Por cierto, este canal es hablado en ingles
11:25<Beltenebros>tengo que grabar esos isos de alguna forma especial???
11:25<Beltenebros>ups!!
11:25<xbytemx>Existe debian-es
11:25<EagleScreen>Beltenebros: entra en #debian-es si queres hablar en español
11:25<Beltenebros>sip
11:26<Beltenebros>espera que voy
11:26<xbytemx>O aqui y sigues en ingles
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11:27<Beltenebros>oyes solo estoy yo en #debian.es
11:27<sney>debian-es no debian.es
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11:44<EmleyMoor>Can Debian communicate with a device using MTP protocol?
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11:48<daemonkeeper>EmleyMoor: s/Debian/$yourapplication/
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11:52<EmleyMoor>Well, is there a value of $yourapplication in Debian that will?
11:52<daemonkeeper>Sure
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11:52<daemonkeeper>Amarok for example support MTP devices.
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11:54<Maxou56800>yo
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11:57<EmleyMoor>daemonkeeper: Hmmm... Amarok may be a bit OTT...
11:57<EmleyMoor>(I like it for other stuff but was thinking of something a bit more like a plain file manager)
11:58<heikkila>OTT?
11:58<EmleyMoor>Over the top
11:58<heikkila>ok
11:58<daemonkeeper>EmleyMoor: apt-rdepends -r libmtp9 pick one.
11:59<daemonkeeper>(http://paste.debian.net/152029/)
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11:59<EmleyMoor>I'll have a look at that when the device is here...
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12:14<EmleyMoor>I am trying to send mail via my home machine over a mobile connection but icedove tells me that my mail server is not supporting SMTP-AUTH. I'm sure it is, though. It's exim...
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12:16<weasel>EmleyMoor: just because exim knows how to do it doesn't mean you configured it to allow it
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12:17<EmleyMoor>weasel: Ah - found the problem - wrong kind of connection security at the icedove side...
12:17<weasel>that might do it
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12:19<EmleyMoor>I'd had it working before and it failed last time I tried it from somewhere else...
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12:21*EmleyMoor will be using wifi to connect to his new mobile phone, rather than Bluetooth...
12:21<EmleyMoor>That could be interesting...
12:22<EmleyMoor>Bluetooth will probably still have its uses though...
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12:22<Irenee>hola
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12:23<Burndeath>Hello
12:23<Burndeath>any 1 here
12:23<Burndeath>I need help
12:23<Irenee>yeah
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12:23<Irenee>what's the matter?
12:23<Burndeath>I am using Backtrack 5
12:24<Irenee>why?
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12:24<Burndeath>and when I try to connect with my WIFI connection through Wicd Network Manager,it give a " Connection Failed: Bad Password " error
12:24<Burndeath>Any Suggestion !!!
12:25<Burndeath>Please help
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12:25<gaby>hola a todos
12:25<Burndeath>English plz
12:25<Irenee>i can't help you sorry
12:26<EmleyMoor>!tell Burndeath about backtrack
12:27<Burndeath>what EmleyMoor??
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12:27<EmleyMoor>Burndeath: dpkg should just have sent you a message
12:27<Burndeath>i have updated it but not working
12:28<Burndeath>Any Suggestion!!!
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12:28<babilen>Burndeath: You want #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net not #debian -- Please ask there.
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12:29<Burndeath>ok bro
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13:16<Wombatica>my system just had a load of 3604.18, 1758.44, 781.58
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13:17<Wombatica>it's a mostly 32-bit system running on a 3.1.6 64-bit kernel
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13:19<Wombatica>my question is, how to troubleshoot something like that. top didn't show any processes taking up a bunch of CPU (in fact, top itself was the highest cpu)
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13:20<babilen>Wombatica: Look into iotop as well as that load might have very well been caused by IO
13:20<retrospectacus>"top" also has a "wa" percent which is for IOwait
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13:20<babilen>And that is a *really* high load -- you must have quite a powerful machine there.
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13:21<babilen>retrospectacus: Uh, yeah! Thanks :)
13:24<retrospectacus>:)
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13:25<screenn>Hi debian community, since upgrade my sid desktop couple of mounthes ago, I've found gnome-3 instead second version, was wonder and confused a little, such as most of work I use gnome-terminal it was so so for me, after about week of using new environment I understood all advantages and disadvantages and now want to ask a question, is it environment has feauture, or better gone to xfce or kde, how do you think?
13:25<phdeswer>screenn, that is something you should make up for yourself
13:26<screenn>I mean it will still at distribution for the long time for example
13:26<Bushmills>screenn: you can install several desktop environments, and switch between them
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13:26<Bushmills>naturally you'll end up using the one you like best
13:27<screenn>yes, but I came to gnome long time ago, and most reason was "it's default debian gui"
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13:28<phdeswer>I just started using gnome 3 myself just now. And it is unusable in its default config, but once you add 7/8 extensions it has its advantages over gnome 2
13:28<phdeswer>screenn, and of course you can go for mate which is a fork of gnome 2 if you prefer to use that kind of gui
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13:30<screenn>phdeswer how do you think gnome still be by default in next stable debian release?
13:30<phdeswer>screenn, I can't say. Depends on how it shapes up.
13:30<screenn>without 7/8 extensions or with
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13:32<Vicwoman>Palomitas, me puedes ayudar?
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13:32<phdeswer>Well hopefully a bit like Linux Mint with the missing basic features that make clean Gnome 3 unusable. But I guess that will be decided at a later point. Wheezy still seems to be gnome 2, so I guess the next stable will still be gnome 2
13:33<Wombatica>I stopped apache and the load went away.
13:33<Vicwoman>la respuesta de ugo, se refiere a los colores de acceso a los archivos o tipo de ellos
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13:33<Wombatica>but thanks for the info about iotop and the wa column of top
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13:37<screenn>what kind of extensions you mean, could you recommend some features to make gnome 3 more usable?
13:38<Bushmills>,versions gnome-panel
13:38<judd>Package: gnome-panel on i386 -- lenny: 2.20.3-5; squeeze: 2.30.2-2; sid: 3.2.1-2+b1; wheezy: 3.2.1-2+b1
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13:40<cabpa>thank you babilen and themill . i was able to reinstall vlc now by removing testing in my souces.list and removing my pinning
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13:41<phdeswer>screenn, All from extensions.gnome.org
13:41<dominick>Hi! What's the easiest way to install debian on a USB? As in a real debian, not a live CD, so that the changes I make to the OS are persisted.
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13:42<phdeswer>screenn, Alternative Status Menu, dash click fix, Power Alt-Tab, Bottom panel, static workspaces, Move clock
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13:43<screenn>phdeswer that's 6, 7/8 you said? :-)
13:44<phdeswer>I have some more minor things
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13:44<phdeswer>And tweaked the application menu icon size by hand
13:45<phdeswer>I don't like big icons as if I was half-blind. Still need to find out on how to make the dash icons smaller
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13:52<screenn>phdeswer my opinion big icons good only for touch screen device
13:53<screenn>generally looks gnome 3 was created by default for this kind of devices
13:54<phdeswer>screenn, I get the impression it was defaulted to a TV screen. I really hope icon size controls come soon to the gnome-tweak-tool
13:55<phdeswer>However I wonder if I should get used to using it as they want to integrate it with systemd. Which is something I do NOT want on my system ever.
13:55<aracon>,versions kdebase
13:55<judd>Package: kdebase on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 5:66
13:56<aracon>eeehm
13:56<screenn>and left side panel similar with mac panel, but little better (I think so)
13:56<aracon>,versions kde-full
13:56<judd>Package: kde-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; sid: 5:70; wheezy: 5:70; experimental: 5:72
13:56<screenn>phdeswer so, do you think no reason to gone from gnome 3, right?
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13:58<phdeswer>screenn, what I think does not neccesarly apply to you. Find what works best for you and stick with that.
13:59*screenn still faithful gnome such in old good times, and waiting for new improvement
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13:59<phdeswer>screenn, then this might be right for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_%28desktop_environment%29
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14:02<niag>dudes, i got problem wit iptables and NAT: somebody can help?
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14:03<niag>i go internet with wlan0, eth0 is 172.16.0.1, connected with another pc that has eth0 172.16.0.40
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14:03<dominick>Hi! What's the easiest way to install debian on a USB? As in a real debian, not a live CD, so that the changes I make to the OS are persisted.
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14:04<heikkila>niag, so you want to forward incoming packets to your other pc with ip 172.16.0.40?
14:05<niag>on 1st pc i wish to make 2nd pc to surf internet, how to do? in past i used commna iptables -F -t nat ; iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 172.16.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and i was ok, but now stop to work, i gue why
14:05<niag>heikkila, i wish 1st pg acts as a router/gateway for 2nd pc
14:05<niag>heikkila, 1st pc go to internt wit no problem, i wish the second to do the same.
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14:07<heikkila>niag, okey, you want to enable port forwarding for starters. Let me see how to do that ...
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14:07<niag>heikkila, look these previous commad works good, now no more.
14:08<niag>so i guess what wrong in meantime.
14:08<heikkila>oh, I almost missed that
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14:09<niag>but they work on 2.6.32, now it is another pc with 3.1.
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14:11<calvinow>Hello all, does anybody know when the 2.6.32-6 kernel will be released for Squeeze? There are a couple fixes in there I've been waiting on for awhile...
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14:14<itaycream>hi
14:14<niag>heikkila, now it works! what the hell, it works!
14:14<itaycream>where am i
14:14<heikkila>ok
14:14<itaycream>what works?
14:14<niag>itaycream, talking to heikkila not ypou sorry
14:14<heikkila>itaycream, #debian at the Oftc irc network.
14:15<itaycream>what are these system messages
14:15<heikkila>niag, well, those commands should work like they are, but doesn't seem like a good permanent solution. Probably does not survive reboots.
14:15<niag>heikkila, it is black magic, 10 min ago doesnt, now it works.
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14:15<niag>heikkila, it is a script i run manually after boot
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14:16<niag>maybe sole hidden character in the file, i reopened in and touch, now no problem. relly it a mustery
14:16<heikkila>niag, /etc/sysctl.conf has net.ipv4.ip_forward= and net.ipv6.ip_forward= settings, which would make it a little more permanent.
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14:17<chaospsychex>could someone tell me why XP isn't showing up on the grub menu when it was detected in the installer?
14:17<niag>heikkila, tnks, now i will do some test. thanks again
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14:17<heikkila>np
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14:17<heikkila>I didn't do much anyway ;)
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14:19<retrospectacus>chaospsychex: run "update-grub", should come back
14:19<chaospsychex>ok
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14:21<heikkila>dominick, if you have a live usb it should have an installer program.
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14:41<jhutchins_wk>heikkila: How do those work, is "Install" a boot option or is it a program within the live system (or both)?
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14:42<heikkila>jhutchins_wk, it's a program you can run in the live environment, iirc there's an icon on the desktop
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14:44<jhutchins_wk>Cool, I know some other distros do that too.
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15:22<S111>buon sera a tutti, c'è qualcunoche mi può aiutare a risolvere un problema con lilo?
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15:23<retrospectacus>!it
15:23<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:24<S111>thank you, i'll go there!
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15:29<heikkila>dominick, I misinterpreted your question, but I still think Debian live is the easiest, you just add a persistent filesystem to the usb drive where you can save sessions and files.
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15:31<heikkila>dominick, http://wiki.debian.org/InstallToUsbMemoryStick
15:32<heikkila>dominick, otherwise I think you can just use CD1 and pretend your usb-stick is your primary harddrive and install to it
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15:42<maka35>hola
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16:20<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to run freebsd using kvm - and it's very slow, complaining about DMA timeouts on the emulated disk
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16:28<faryus>heloo everyone
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16:28<faryus>how can I get squeeze to install a package version that is not in its repositories? (new to linux, sorry if dumb question)
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16:30<phdeswer>faryus, download it by hand and dpkg -i ?
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16:30<faryus>yeah, I just realized that... I thought I might need to add repositories and stuff
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16:31<faryus>(used ubuntu before... looong time ago)
16:31<retrospectacus>faryus: that probably won't work. use <backports> or <ssb>
16:31<retrospectacus>faryus: what package, and what version do you "need"
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16:32<faryus>transmission
16:32<faryus>version 2.42
16:32<faryus>http://packages.debian.org/experimental/all/transmission/download
16:32<faryus>apt-get got me 2.03
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16:33<retrospectacus>,checkbackport transmission --fromrelease experimental
16:33<judd>Backporting package transmission in experimental→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgtk-3-dev, libevent-dev (>= 2.0), libnotify-dev (>= 0.7), qt4-linguist-tools, libminiupnpc-dev (>= 1.6), libnatpmp-dev (>= 20110808).
16:34<retrospectacus>,checkbackport transmission --fromrelease wheezy
16:34<judd>Backporting package transmission in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libevent-dev (>= 2.0), libnotify-dev (>= 0.7), qt4-linguist-tools, libnatpmp-dev (>= 20110808).
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16:34<faryus>I'm going to have to install every depended package by hand, right?
16:35<retrospectacus>faryus: it means you can't get 2.33 or 2.42 without upgrading
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16:35<valdyn>faryus: it is bad advice to just "dpkg -i random_package"
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16:36<valdyn>judd: versions transmission
16:36<judd>Package: transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-2; sid: 2.33-2; wheezy: 2.33-2; experimental: 2.42-1
16:36<faryus>I'd tried it anyway... told me it couldn't install because dependencies are not met
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16:36<faryus>so I'm going to have to upgrade from squeeze to experimental?
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16:36<retrospectacus>faryus: or just use 2.03, what's the problem?
16:36<valdyn>faryus: no, you should just reconsider if you really need this
16:37<frikinz>-rw-r--r-- 1 munin munin 7798 Jun 26 2011 users.html
16:37<faryus>yes... 2.03 doesn't support udp:// trackers
16:37<frikinz>oops
16:37<valdyn>faryus: so use rtorrent, its better anyway
16:37<retrospectacus>I like deluge
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16:37<valdyn>faryus: or any other of the gazillion torrent programs
16:38<faryus>do any of those have webUI's? and/or any way of being operated remotely?
16:38<retrospectacus>rtorrent
16:38<valdyn>faryus: lots
16:38<retrospectacus>+rutorrent
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16:38<valdyn>faryus: or ssh
16:39<faryus>I only use the webui from transmission to check speeds, ratios and such
16:40<faryus>and deleting torrents
16:40<faryus>for downloading I just dump torrents into a watch folder
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16:40<faryus>I'll see what rTorrent is about
16:40<faryus>thanks for the help
16:40<retrospectacus>my seedbox has rtorrent +rutorrent webGui - works exactly like that. Watch folder or the web button
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17:41<whoops>Hi, I am using Debian 6.0.3. Whenever I try to unmount my hard drive, it gives me a failure to unmount error. Does somebody mind helping me out with this a little?
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17:42<Damnedkrt>Is there a way to edit the port number in my sshd_conf file without using nano? Id like to do it on one line in the terminal
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17:43<retrospectacus>Damnedkrt: you could use sed I guess
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17:43<retrospectacus>whoops: you're more likely to get help if you tell us the actual error
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17:44<streuner__>Damnedkrt: why not just use nano?
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17:45<whoops>give me a sec. I'll post the dmesg error online somewhere.
17:45<streuner__>Damnedkrt: nano is defaut in Debian and dont need X...
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17:46<whoops>http://pastebin.com/JXxF787r
17:46<Damnedkrt>Ill try sed. My problem is, my terminal is in an internet browser(openvz) in order to gain ssh access I need to eit sshd_conf, but I cant use any text editors =)
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17:49<TOLL>eai
17:49<TOLL>Hey
17:49<TOLL>Thanks ?
17:49<themill>!ubuntu-br TOLL
17:49<dpkg>TOLL: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server irc.freenode.net depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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18:10<streuner__>mpg321 http://87.230.55.91:7592/
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18:11<streuner__>Ozric Tentacles - Myriapod
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19:32<Jake_D>just installed 6.0.3, with gui etc. no gui at boot. 'startx' -> getting errors: dlopen nouveau failed... should revert to software rendering, that's fine according to my research. touchpad failed as well "unable to query" -- starting X leave a black screen. any ideas -- dodgy installation perhaps?
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19:43<continuum>i'm trying to redirect my standard error to a file: exec 2>/tmp/stderror , however my bash prompt dissappears... Anybody?
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22:13<txn>anyone use Transmission? how do i add a blocklist? ( debian stable )
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22:43<bst_>!transmission
22:43<dpkg>hmm... transmission is an open source, cross-platform and lightweight <BitTorrent> client. It uses the GTK+ interface on Linux systems. FAQ: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ http://www.transmissionbt.com/ #transmission on irc.freenode.net.
22:44<bst_>txn: see also https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/Blocklists
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22:50<txn>bst_: thanks. the version that comes with ubuntu has a dialogue that lets you update it.
22:52<abrotman>i thought it was debian stable ?
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23:11<deansu>abrotman: probably was used to using the ubuntu version with said dialogue option, but wasn't sure how to do it in the debian stable version
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23:31<txn>right!
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23:48<tim_>which file needs to be edited in order to add another operating system to the boot menu ??
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23:51<tim_>What ?...google...grub2...editing?...yadda yadda...ok...
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23:53<rick_>tim_ there is a command grub-update or something like this - it will find alone the operating systems - or grub2 update something like this - but it works
23:54<babilen>EPATIENCE
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23:58<h4r34r1>hi all friends
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