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---Logopened Fri Jan 13 00:00:02 2012
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00:17<rick_>I have a couple of hard disks showing some errors - what utility anyone recommend to check the hard disk and correct if possible - even through a format ?
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00:30<gnufan>how best to make joystick work with flash games. Have joystick "cat /dev/input/js0" works, emulators work, dasher works, but how best to map to keys for flash games? I tried joy2key but docs seem a tad spartan, and surely this should be in GNOME or something by now (i.e. I'm sure there is a better way I just don't know what it is).
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00:51<netzsooc>hello I have to write some text in spanish (I even have a spanish keyboard which is well configured in debian) the problem is that when I need to write a stressed letter, it will type the stress before the vowel and not over it, could you tell me why is it? for example latex code woul be \'{a} but typing directly it dosen't get an ´a
00:51<netzsooc>do you understand?
00:53<priv1>You mean you can't type "special" letters directly? Like á or à?
00:54<netzsooc>indeed I can't
00:54<netzsooc>i get ´a instead
00:54<netzsooc>or `a
00:55<netzsooc>but I can get ç and ñ
00:55<netzsooc>because they are a single key
00:57<priv1>Hmm...are you sure that your keyboard is well configured? http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard Did you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ?
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00:58<babilen>netzsooc: How are you trying to type those? Do I understand you correctly in that you don't have those á and à on your keyboard?
00:58<jardi>netzsooc, what kind of Spanish are you using?
00:59<netzsooc>priv1 I can write that letters in konsole and in some programs
00:59<netzsooc>but I can't write them here
00:59<netzsooc>or in iceweasel
00:59<netzsooc>or icecat
00:59<netzsooc>or icedove
00:59<priv1>Do you see the letters in the textfield when you're typping them?
01:00<netzsooc>babilen,you understood correctly, in spanish keyboard there is a special character "´" that usually works to stress some letters
01:00<netzsooc>jardi I am using spanish (from spain) keyboard
01:01<netzsooc>yes I do
01:01<netzsooc>well I can read them, but not type them
01:03<priv1>You tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ?
01:03<netzsooc>priv1 but in konsole and some programs the keyboard is working properly
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01:05<priv1>What letter do you mean http://www.forlang.wsu.edu/images/kspanish.gif if you type this ñ-Character, you see it in the input field but not when it's echoed?
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01:07<netzsooc>priv1 I did but still not working
01:07<netzsooc>if I type ñ I see it and it is echoed
01:08<jardi>I cannot think in why it would work in some programs but not in others
01:08<netzsooc>it is the tilded vowels
01:08<priv1>Hmm don't know maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales helps x)?
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01:08<jm_>for gtk apps one can set GTK_IM_MODULE=xim to use X input method (i.e. compose key)
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01:10<netzsooc>locales seem right
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01:10<netzsooc>I am using kde
01:11<akim>hello all
01:11<akim>i`m newby for linux
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01:11<akim>anybody want help me?
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01:12<jardi>akim, just ask your question
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01:45<nevyn>!ask
01:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:46<sammy-a>when I follow the instructions on mozilla.debian.org to try to light up a new version of iceweasel, without touching any apt preferences or apt.conf files, with only a stable deb source and the two squeeze-backports deb sources, for some reason the squeeze-backports version of linux-base gets a priority of 100. what am I missing?
01:46<sammy-a>I thought only installed versions of packages got priority 100. so the version I have installed gets 100 and so does the version from squeeze-backports. I'm so confused :(
01:47<jm_>you need to use apt... -t squeeze-backports install foo
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01:48<sammy-a>jm_: backup. i'm talking about if I do apt-get upgrade, linux-base wants to go to the squeeze-backports version
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01:49<sammy>which should not have priority 100
01:49<sammy>or... if its supposed to I dont understand why
01:49<sammy>i have 4 deb lines. stable, security updates, squeeze-backports and the mozilla squeeze-backports
01:50<jm_>!bat
01:50<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
01:50<sammy>oh lordy
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01:51<blake_>D
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01:54<brandon_>i am new need internet with out the cord
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01:59<sammy>i thought 100 priority was only assigned to packages installed. i have no pinning, no default release defined, nothing changed from stock squeeze other than adding the squeeze backports repo.
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02:00<brandon_>i am new need internet with out the cord
02:00<brandon_>i am new need internet with out the cord
02:00<brandon_>i am new need internet with out the cord
02:00<brandon_>i am new need internet with out the cord
02:00<brandon_>i am new need internet with out the cord
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02:06<holsta>Yeah, dragging those fiber cables around can be a real pain. I see where brandon_ is coming from.
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02:08<sammy>okay well youre too lazy to ask what you need and I'm too lazy to pastebin. fair cop. ill ask again tomorrow
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02:16<sammy>oh look, apt_preferences(5) has been updated to answer my question, but in true debian fashion, the update to the documentation hasn't made it to stable yet :P
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02:17<sammy>to anyone following along at home, priority 100 is given to the version that is already installed (if any) and to the versions coming from archives which in their Release files are marked as "NotAutomatic: yes" and "ButAutomaticUpgradesL yes" like the debian backports archive since squeeze-backports so
02:18<sammy>that explains why they'd have priority 100. it doesn't explain why apt-get upgrade would want to jump to the newer version without me using -t
02:20<valdyn>sammy: what does "aptitude why linux-base" tell ?
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02:31<sammy>well somewhere i managed to install linux-base-2.6.32-39... from where I have no idea
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02:33<sammy>it was installed but the latest version in squeeze is -38. backports is onto 3.3. ... maybe squeeze-proposed-updates? hm.
02:36<sammy>I just downgraded to -38 *shrug* problem solved. i have no clue how -39 got in there.
02:36<jm_>it's in squeeze-updates
02:37<sammy>isnt stable-updates an alias for squeeze-updates? i have a stable-update source... on security.debian.org
02:39<jm_>it is
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02:44<sammy>I see a newer version of linux-base in squeeze on my mirror than on security.debian.org in squeeze-updates. that doesn't seem right.
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02:47<sammy>jm_: where do you see -39 in squeeze-updates?
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02:49<sammy>oh hm a - instead of / like on security
02:49<sammy>thats confusing.
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02:51<jm_>sammy: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
02:51<jm_>I actually checked using rmadison
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02:53<sammy>yeah I had... I have no clue how I somehow removed my mirror's squeeze-updates deb line
02:54<sammy>I've been commenting everything out rather than just blowing them away- I know better :P
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03:40<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to run FreeBSD on a kvm on my Debian system - it's very slow, reporting lots of "ad0: TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA retrying (1 retry left)" - why would that be happening? Similar things seem to happen if I run Debian or anything else in the same way
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03:52<taleon>Morning
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03:54<lp>taleon: just ask
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04:06<taleon>lp: Ask for what? I have no questions. ;-)
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04:07<vyrus001>taleon: morning ;)
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04:14<lp>taleon: :)
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04:53<fredl>hey guys. Trying to install bind9 on squeeze and getting the following: bind9 : Depends: libbind9-60 (= 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze3) but 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze4 is to be installed
04:53<fredl>what causes this? I did dist-upgrade...
04:54<jm_>!bat
04:54<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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04:55<fredl>http://paste.debian.net/152129/
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04:56<fredl>does that help jm_ ?
04:56<fredl>mirror.ny.funix.nl is a locally hosted squeeze mirror
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04:57<kilelme1>fredl: try remove 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze4 and install 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze3 ... maybe it can help you
04:57<govind>hello
04:58<govind>"http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krb5/libgssrpc4_1.9.1+dfsg-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb" page not found
04:59<jm_>govind: try /msg dpkg ubuntu
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04:59<govind>I get this message in synaptic package manager
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05:00<jm_>fredl: you also want apt-cache policy for libbind9-60 etc, but I can tell that it's pulling those from squeeze-p-u/security
05:01<govind>jm_: /msg dpkg to be tried with which command
05:02<jm_>!tell govind -about buntu
05:02<jm_>!tell govind -about ubuntu
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05:05<govind>jm_: I am not getting what you want to say
05:05<jm_>!ubuntu
05:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:05<jm_>govind: read the above
05:05<govind>ok.
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05:11<tobson>why does debian install exim automatically?
05:11<jm_>tobols: because something wants/suggests m-t-a
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05:15<tobson>so it's no problem when i remove it
05:16<jm_>it will tell you what will happen
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05:19<themill>!why an mta
05:19<dpkg>An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>.
05:19<themill>tobson: ^^
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06:58<KudlatyAmroth>hi, is there some repo for debian with telepathy-kde ?
06:58<KudlatyAmroth>i found only git repo: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/telepathy-kde/meta-telepathy-kde.git;a=summary
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09:22<sml>I would like to install wordpress but I'd like to use hte latest version. Is there a way to install the dependencies of the wordpress package, but not wordpress itself? Then just go grab the tarball and plonk it in /var/www ? after all, it's just a load of PHP.
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09:24<Black_Prince>sml: why not.
09:24<Black_Prince>Just install web server + php + mysql (LAMP)
09:24<Black_Prince>and put all contents of wordpress into /var/www or anywhere you configured web server to serve from.
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09:31<schwani>Hi guys. How can I request packages and package updates (like Icedove -> it´s very old)?
09:32<sml>Black_Prince: yeah i did that already. seems to work fine.
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09:32<sml>Black_Prince: but I noticed that if I do apt-get install wordpress, it pulls in lots of other things that i don't have. thought there doesn't seem to be any problems. for example javascript-common.
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09:32<sml>s/thought/though
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09:37<tobson>i ve changed my default browser with update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and choosed iceweasel. but that didnt work. why does it work with system > preferences > preferred applications ???
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09:39<zykotick9>tobson: you might want to check what gnome-www-browswer is set to
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09:53<apoleon>schwani: you can follow the instructions on mozilla.debian.net and install the latest icedove version (8.0)
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09:54<houms>how can i setup ssh proxy for port 80? essentially i have ssh access to a server and i want web traffic to go through that server instead of my laptop to test a web site
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09:54<tobson>zykotick9 the * is next to iceweasel
09:55<schwani>apoleon: thanks. But why it isn´t in Debian testing repo?
09:55<cthuluh>houms: ssh -L
09:56<apoleon>schwani: icedove 8.0 is in unstable and will enter testing soon tm
09:56<houms>would that be a remote forward?
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09:56<houms>local right?
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09:57<cthuluh>local ; man ssh or ssh_config would help
09:57<apoleon>schwani: maybe you find release.debian.org/migration helpful
09:58<zykotick9>tobson: "my" next step would be to investigate xdg settings (you might want to have a look at xdg-settings) - but I'm no expert in the area (though I've had issues with Gnome applications and default browser before). Good luck.
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10:00<tobson>thx zykotick9
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10:01<schwani>apoleon: okay. And what about requesting packages? Currently I´am running Linux Mint 11 with Gnome (based on Ubuntu 11.04). And I want to switch to Debian testing. But I need some applications in Debian, which are not in the repo are (like eclipse or some games like 0 A.D. or UrbanTerror). And I can´t find Wine or PlayOnLinux in Debian testing repos.
10:02<joar>how responsive is the ATI team usually?
10:02<joar>ATI Xorg team
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10:05<apoleon>schwani: i think apt-pinning would be a solution for your problems, but #debian-next is a better place to ask such questions
10:05<TheCrittaC>schwani, wine is in the sid repos.
10:06<schwani>apoleon: What is apt-pinning?
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10:07<schwani>TheCrittaC: Will someday the Wine package move from Sid to testing?
10:07<apoleon>schwani: with apt-pinning you can easily mix unstable and testing repositories, but it's a technique for more advanced user, although it's not very complicated
10:08<TheCrittaC>schwani, I am unsure, but the fact that Wine is years old and has not moved to testing yet makes me think that it will never get there.
10:10<apoleon>wine is a special case, there were some sort of problems with licenses and debian policy. but this seems to be fixed now, you can find unoffical debian packages on winehq.org
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10:11<schwani>TheCrittaC: But Wine has a current stable release. Something like 1.2.x.
10:11<apoleon>schwani: as far as i know wine 1.0.1 is the latest stable release in squeeze which is more than 2 years old
10:12<themill>apoleon: it wasn't so much a licence problem as a "it doesn't compile from source" problem.
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10:14<schwani>okay. Thank you all. apoleon TheCrittaC themill
10:14<apoleon>themill: i've read the thread on debian-devel, the maintainer mentioned a problem with the mingw toolchain but it seemed to me he was also lacking time to update the wine package
10:14<themill>apoleon: last time I looked, you also needed to grab a precompiled gecko monstrosity to be able to compile wine.
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10:16<Eren>whoa, when I gunzipped boot.img.gz, the size became 240 MB
10:16<apoleon>themill: i always follow the instructions on winehq and compile wine for myself, that's not the debian way, but it saves me some troubles :)
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10:16<Eren>boot.img.gz was 24 MB
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10:16<Eren>o_O :)
10:17<cthuluh>Eren: probably because this image was made out of a previously zeroed file
10:17<themill>apoleon: that doesn't mean that you didn't use precompiled things as part of the process.
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10:18<Eren>cthuluh: hm, it's the netinstall image that I downloaded from ftp
10:18<Eren>it's possible, of course
10:18<apoleon>themill: well, this might be true, i didn't dig to much into it
10:19<cthuluh>Eren: the point is to give you a 240MB partition after writing it to a disk, so that you can add stuff
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10:19<cthuluh>Eren: with squeeze+, you can also just write the raw netinstall image to a usb key, it will work fine
10:20<Eren>yeah, it's good to have that feature
10:20<cthuluh>the raw *netinstall iso* image
10:20<Eren>cthuluh: for cdrom?
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10:21<cthuluh>I don't get it ; do you want to boot from a cdrom or a usb disk?
10:21<Eren>cthuluh: I want to boot from a usb disk
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10:21<Eren>and I want to install proceeding packages using network
10:21<Eren>I just want a system with minimum packages
10:21<cthuluh>the dd if=/my/netinstall.iso of=/dev/my/usb_key # will work fine
10:22<Eren>okkie, thanks
10:22<cthuluh>dd ... bs=32k # if you want the write to be faster
10:22<cthuluh>Eren: same warnings as usual, be sure you specify the right usb key as your target
10:22<Eren>cthuluh: thanks :)
10:23<Eren>I'm double-checking with fdisk -l output before hitting enter
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10:24<EmleyMoor>I've got some stuck windows on my desktop - onne is "Remote Desktop", the other are "... not responding, wait or force quit" - preventing me using my gnome-terminal tabs. How do I clear them?
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10:25<EmleyMoor>In fact, I have a menu stuck dropped on one of them...
10:26<EmleyMoor>What do I kill to get control back at minimum damage?
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10:28<EmleyMoor>Oh hell - looks like I will have to restart gdm3 if I get no other answer fast...
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10:33<EmleyMoor>They always have been since I got this motherboard
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11:47<sml>is 3.1 kernel coming to squeeze backports anytime soon?
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11:50<daemonkeeper>I do not think so.
11:50<sml>daemonkeeper: I was starting to think that may be the case.
11:51<Asloxn>people
11:51<daemonkeeper>There are some compatibility issues with newer kernels, so it can't easily be backported.
11:51<Asloxn>I need help in debia 6.03
11:51<Asloxn>is possible install gunzip in debian 6.03
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11:52<themill>Asloxn: I'd be very surprised if you don't already have it.
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11:54<themill>daemonkeeper: do you know what they are? I've seen such assertions before but never with details and never with bug numbers. Such assertions are passing into folklore and will prevent a backport being made even if it *is* possible.
11:54<themill>daemonkeeper: (there are many people here running self-compiled 3.x kernels with squeeze without issue)
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11:55<daemonkeeper>themill: afaict udev. However, if you happen to find people running 3.x kernels in Squeeze nonetheless that might not be such a big deal.
11:56<themill>daemonkeeper: udev was said to have problems with 3.x but not 3.x.y which is what we actually got in the end.
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11:57<sml>I've heard the udev compatibility rumours before. From here.
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11:58<sml>I upgraded to Sid but I'm fed up updating daily.
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11:59<themill>daemonkeeper: the only concrete bug I've heard of is in laptop-mode-tools and that will be fixed in the next point release
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11:59<themill>!dbugs 647563
11:59<dpkg>#647563:I[laptop-mode-tools] laptop-mode-tools: incompatible with linux 3.0 and later (squeeze); Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:09:02 UTC []
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12:03<bimbim>hi guys! I have a problem: no sound in Ren'Py based game; digging it, I found pygame-python, and tested it: it plays - Ogg, WAV, FLAC, but not MP3
12:03<Asloxn>what mean Unzipping compressed files ... ./rminstall: line 31: ./gunzip: No such file or directory
12:03<bimbim>for MP3 it just clicks
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12:04<bimbim>is there some package for MP3 support outside of VLC and mplayer maybe?
12:04<themill>Asloxn: please keep it in the channel so that others can help out too
12:05<Asloxn>mi problem is
12:05<Asloxn>Unzipping compressed files ... ./rminstall: line 31: ./gunzip: No such file or directory
12:06<bimbim>Asloxn: try gunzip w/o ./
12:06<bimbim>echo $PATH
12:06<themill>Perhaps you could explain what it is you're trying to do. Put the entire output and the command you gave in a pastebin.
12:06<Asloxn>gunzip is iqual gzip
12:06<bimbim>how to get MP3 support in python apps?
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12:06<Asloxn>i need use this comand "gunzip"
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12:07<bimbim>Asloxn: which gunzip
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12:07<cassy2012>Come webcam chat with me guys @ http://adfoc.us/1872928842
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12:07<themill>Asloxn: you already have it; whatever you are running is using it incorrectly.
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12:07<dainese>Hi...I download firefox 9.01, but no flash plugins, so I download "install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz" from adobe.com
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12:08<themill>dainese: all these things are already in the debian repositories and work just fine.
12:08<bimbim>dainese: and your problem is that you're on SPARC64?
12:08<dainese>and untar it... I get libflashplayer.so
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12:10<Asloxn>I have picture whit this problem
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12:10<babilen>themill, daemonkeeper: I am really not sure that there *are* actually real bugs that prevent a backport. Last time I asked in #d-kernel people thought that backporting the kernel would work. What is needed for that though is to adapt the packaging to use gcc-4.4 (in debian/config/defines and debian/control) and backporting kernel-wedge. I have not been in contact with the actual backportes though, so I am not sure if that is the ...
12:10<babilen>... complete picture.
12:10<Asloxn>how to send the picture "screenshot"
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12:10<dainese>I don't know how to put libflashplayer.so to where
12:10<themill>babilen: yeah, that's the impression I get too.
12:11<bimbim>dainese: uname -m && readelf -h libflashplayer.so | grep -i machine
12:11<babilen>Asloxn: Upload it to one of the million image hosters (pictpaste.com, imgur, ...)
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12:11<dainese>My system version is amd64
12:11<bimbim>dainese: ah...
12:12<dainese>Machine: Advanced Micro Devices X86-64
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12:12<bimbim>dainese: so this build of proprietary binary will work for you
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12:12<bimbim>(not to mention another 10 CPU architectures supported by Debian)
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12:13<bimbim>debianists, don't you know how to get MP3 support in Python?
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12:16<Asloxn>in this place
12:16<Asloxn>http://imagebin.org/193437
12:16<Asloxn>my screenshoot
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12:17<bimbim>Asloxn: pastebin rminstall
12:18<dainese>I'm not very familiar with this build of proprietary binary
12:18<bimbim>Asloxn: and which gunzip
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12:20<Asloxn>I do not understand " pastebin rminstall"
12:20<bimbim>Asloxn: do you understand "which gunzip"?
12:20<bimbim>Asloxn: type it in terminal
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12:21<themill>that's not the problem... it's the braindead installer that is
12:21<kerebrus>Does debian not support custom launchers?
12:21<bimbim>if you do have it, you can softlink it to satisfy your stuff
12:21<bimbim>themill: right, can you explain him how to pastebin ./rminstall?
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12:22<themill>I'm going to cry if I see that script, so maybe I shouldn't...
12:22<bimbim>heh
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12:23<Asloxn>root@cguno:~# which gunzip
12:23<Asloxn>/bin/gunzip
12:23<Asloxn>root@cguno:~#
12:23<bimbim>Asloxn: nice! you do have it!
12:23<bimbim>Asloxn: ln -s `which gunzip` ./
12:24<Asloxn>you can see this sceenshot " http://imagebin.org/193437 "
12:24<bimbim>one more time? :)
12:25<bimbim>Asloxn: you're currently in /home/u/uno/rmcobol?
12:25<Eren>heh, b43 wireless direvers are not present in netinstall iso, I'll have to use eth cable
12:25<bimbim>Asloxn: try my ln command
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12:26<bimbim>Asloxn: but better contact the distributor of this package, really
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12:26<bimbim>so what about my problem?
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12:26<bimbim>no MP3 playback with pygame
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12:31<Asloxn><bimbim> Asloxn:
12:31<Asloxn>root@cguno:/u/uno/rmcobol# head -n 31 rminstall
12:31<Asloxn>##!/bin/sh
12:31<Asloxn>#
12:31<Asloxn># Title: rminstall
12:31<Asloxn># RM/COBOL Install Shell Script
12:31-!-Asloxn was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
12:31<bimbim>why can't he just softlink that gunzip....
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12:32<Asloxn>root@cguno:/u/uno/rmcobol# head -n 31 rminstall | tail -n 1
12:32<Asloxn> ./gunzip -r *
12:32<Asloxn>root@cguno:/u/uno/rmcobol#
12:33<bimbim>Asloxn: sed -i 's;./gunzip;gunzip;g' ./rminstall
12:34<bimbim>Asloxn: and maybe less README in your package
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12:36<babilen>Asloxn: And are you sure that you want to install *that* cobol implementation? Or rather: Are you sure that you want COBOL at all?
12:36<bimbim>Asloxn: easy way for beginners - you must edit this script so it doesn't have "./" before gunzip
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12:37<bimbim>actually, it must be 's;\./gunzip;gunzip;g
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12:37<bimbim>but w/o \ it will work too :)
12:38<bimbim>Asloxn: ./stuff means launch executable "stuff" in current working directory
12:39<bimbim>babilen: yep, I would recommend Scheme for him
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12:39<bimbim>(is (guile (from-string " great"))) --> #t
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12:40<babilen>Asloxn: Could you paste that script to http://paste.debian.net please? I fear that it will do something bad and I rather have a look. There are also open COBOL compilers that are packaged for Debian and you might want to consider those. (If you insist on COBOL)
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12:41<bimbim>babilen: it has ./gunzip inside; Asloxn doesn't want nor to ln -s `which gunzip` ./ , nor to sed -i 's;\./gunzip;gunzip;g'
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12:43<babilen>bimbim: Yes, that will fix the immediate problem, but I am really not sure if running a script that was most likely written 10+ years ago as root is a good idea.
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12:44<dainese>I reslove problem flash of firefox... Orz
12:44<bimbim>dainese: great
12:44<bimbim>dainese: was it apt-get install gnash ?
12:45<dainese>I'm download firefox 9...It's 32bits, but I'm download flash plugins from adobe.com is 64bits
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12:46<bimbim>dainese: so poor ld.so can't deal with it?
12:46<dainese>Because My debian system is x86-64
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12:46<bimbim>okay, /lib64/ld64.so
12:46<bimbim>multilib system... so nice
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12:48<dainese>I'm have install ia32-libs package
12:48<bimbim>dainese: don't pick IA64 :)
12:49<bimbim>but... me.. still.. can't... solve... my... issue...
12:49<medicalwei>ia64 OwO
12:49<bimbim>no mp3 playback in pygame!
12:49*medicalwei doesn't have an itanium
12:49<bimbim>which package shall I install ?
12:50<bimbim>medicalwei: me neither, but I want it
12:50<dainese>OK....Thanks your help.... bimbim :)
12:50<bimbim>dainese: any time, bro
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12:50*bimbim can even understand dainese's language :)
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12:51<bimbim>dainese: really, try gnash, you may like it
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12:53<bimbim>dainese: and html5 mode on youtube
12:53<dainese>bimbim: OK.... I try it
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12:54<medicalwei>bimbim: html5 mode fails if it has ad.
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12:55<bimbim>medicalwei: I'm using sfrom.net
12:55<bimbim>there's no flash for my arch anyway
12:55<bimbim>but ~80% of youtube stuff works via html5
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13:00<bimbim>heh, broken packages
13:00<Nigtsdawn>Hello folks, new to debian and wondering whats the deal with the numbered iso's i.e. debian-6.0.3-ia64-cd-1.iso and -cd-2/3 etc
13:00<bimbim>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:00<bimbim> ggz-python-games : Depends: python-ggz (>= 0.0.14.1) but it is not going to be installed
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13:00<bimbim>Nigtsdawn: 1st iso is enough, if you have a stable internet connection
13:01<Nigtsdawn>cool thanks bimbim, thought it might be the case but thought best to check :)
13:01<babilen>Nigtsdawn: The CDs/DVDs/BDs contain all Debian packages in their entirety. It is also unlikely that you need ia64 or do you have an Itanium processor.
13:02<bimbim>babilen: I hope he does
13:02<babilen>bimbim: ggz-python-games does not appear to be a Debian package. You should contact whoever created that .deb as it is most likely not meant to be used on Debian.
13:02<Nigtsdawn>no just a intel 64 quad core
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13:02<bimbim>babilen: really? wanna look at apt-cache show?
13:02<bimbim>Nigtsdawn: :(((
13:02<babilen>!tell bimbim -about bat
13:02<Nigtsdawn>thought it sttod for intel architcture 64
13:03<babilen>Nigtsdawn: You probably want amd64 or i386 in that case.
13:03<bimbim>I deny private messages
13:03<retrospectacus>ia64 is for itaniums
13:03<babilen>!tell Nigtsdawn about ia64
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13:04<retrospectacus>bimbim: /msg dpkg bat
13:04<bimbim>http://pastebin.com/2TWVfhc6
13:04<bimbim>^^^ that's for "< babilen> bimbim: ggz-python-games does not appear to be a Debian package"
13:05*bimbim doesn't have any other repos than debian's ones
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13:05<babilen>yeah, my bad :)
13:05<bimbim>no problem, dude
13:05<babilen>bimbim: But we still need more information -- See the <bat> factoid dpkg told you about.
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13:08<bimbim>babilen: 1) full output -- http://pastebin.com/H5QJYnPJ
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13:08<bimbim>2) apt-cache policy -- http://pastebin.com/mV9kaH6P
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13:09<retrospectacus>ouch
13:10<retrospectacus>you have stable, testing, and unstable, all the same priority
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13:10<bimbim>retrospectacus: me? I just have them in sources.list
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13:10<babilen>"just" :)
13:10<retrospectacus>bimbim: but why? That is ... not supported?
13:10<retrospectacus>not good?
13:10<mihau>Hello, I've got a problem with nvidia drivers (from nvidia.com), they install, they load, but nothing is displayed - the system loads, I could kill slim (blinded ofc). There are no errors at Xorg.log file. The screen is simply blank.
13:11<babilen>bimbim: You really shouldn't mix stable with anything but backports
13:11<bimbim>retrospectacus: what is supported? oldstable?
13:11<retrospectacus>very bad?
13:11<retrospectacus>bimbim: mixing releases like that is not supported
13:11<bimbim>retrospectacus: nice, I'd be happy w/o that package then
13:11<babilen>mihau: We don't support those -- "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" if you want to learn how to install the nvidia drivers on Debian. Otherwise ask in #nvidia on irc.freenode.net for support.
13:11<bimbim>retrospectacus: may I ask just don't say "unsupported"
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13:12<retrospectacus>bimbim: we certainly support all those releases (the latter two in #debian-next) but not all at the same time, that is just a really really bad idea
13:12<mihau>babilen, thanks for a clue
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13:12<bimbim>retrospectacus: never had any problems
13:13<bimbim>retrospectacus:any broken packs are noramlly fixed in 2-4 hours
13:13<retrospectacus>bimbim: well basically you're running sid, as apt chooses the newest option
13:13<retrospectacus>bimbim: and ggz-python-games is not in sid
13:13<bimbim>ah, okay, 'll wait :)
13:14<bimbim>retrospectacus: I just want to get mp3 playback support with pygame
13:14<bimbim>that was some attempt to get something to test
13:14<bimbim>currently, pygame.mixer.Sound("/home/username/barb.mp3").play() produces just click
13:14<babilen>mihau: You can find newer nvidia drivers in backports (/msg dpkg bdo) if you need those and IIRC the Debian packages also remove nvidia.com installed drivers. You might have to run "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall" before though.
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13:15<dainese>bimbim: I have install gnash, but I don't know using on firefox
13:16<Eren>I'll install mail server with LDAP authentication support
13:16<Eren>there are lots of sources but do you know what you can call a "best" document for installing and configuring postfix? :)
13:17<bimbim>dainese: launch it, and go to Tools -> Add-Ons
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13:17<bimbim>dainese: then "Plug-ins" tab
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13:18<Guest23946>test
13:18<bimbim>test
13:18<Guest23946>:)
13:18<bimbim>Guest23946: my test is bolder than yours
13:18<bimbim>;)
13:18<Guest23946>it is XD
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13:19<ansgar>Eren: This: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
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13:19<dainese>I didn't see gnash
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13:20<bimbim>dainese: weird
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13:20<bimbim>dainese: what do you see?
13:21<dainese>bimbim: only Shockwave flash and Adobe reader
13:21<bimbim>dainese: how did you tried to install gnash?
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13:22<dainese>bimbim: apt-get install gnash !? yes
13:22<bimbim>dainese: hmmm, it shall work; try also mozilla-plugin-gnash
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13:22<bimbim>dainese: and browser-plugin-gnash if the latter will fail
13:23<Maxou56800>yo
13:23<bimbim>dainese: i.e. apt-get install mozilla-plugin-gnash || apt-get install browser-plugin-gnash
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13:24<dainese>bimbim: I did install too
13:24<bimbim>dainese: now relaunch iceweasel
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13:26<dainese>bimbim: no, I didn't see it in Plug-ins tab
13:27<bimbim>dainese: sheißer! debian guys, help
13:27<bimbim>on my side, gnash installs prefrectly
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13:28<bimbim>-e s/pre/per/ -e /sh/sch/
13:28<bimbim>babilen: can you help dainese with gnash?
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13:30<bimbim>Eren's question requires MSCTE
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13:35<dainese>reset
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13:48<bimbim>shall I reportbug then?
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13:59<mihau>babilen, I did exactly what dpkg said, and still no result.
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14:08<babilen>mihau: Ok -- We have to dig a bit deeper then. Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log along with the output of "aptitude versions ~i~n^nvidia" and "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" to http://paste.debian.net please? Did you reboot after you've installed?
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14:13<self>good evening everyone
14:13<retrospectacus>hi
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14:16<mihau>babilen, yeah, I did, now I can see, that it might not support my chipset - the card is gf gt520MX. http://paste.debian.net/152169/ http://paste.debian.net/152170/
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14:17<babilen>mihau: Lets check which driver version you need. One second please.
14:18<mihau>babilen, got a whole weekend ;-)
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14:21<mihau>And, if it matters, the kernel is 3.1.0-8.dmz.1-liquorix-686
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14:23<babilen>mihau: Ok -- You need driver version 290.10 or newer (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/290.10/README/README.txt) which has *not* yet been backported to squeeze (backports has 275.36 which does *not* support that nvidia card) -- That being said: This very much looks like an optimus chipset which is a bit of a pain to setup.
14:23<babilen>mihau: Where is that kernel from? Which Debian release do you use?
14:24<mihau>squeeze, but kernel is from liquorix
14:24<retrospectacus>!zen
14:24<dpkg>Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (http://liquorix.net/) are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. http://zen-kernel.org/about http://zen-kernel.org/faq-folder/what_is_zen #zen-sources on irc.rizon.net. Not to be confused with <Xen>.
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14:27<babilen>mihau: Ok -- I am not sure what to suggest now. Even if we manage to get you a recent nvidia module installation you will most likely also run into Optimus related problems. There are a number of project that are working on optimus "support" hacks (such as ironhide https://github.com/MrMEEE/ironhide) but I have no personal experience with them as I made sure *not* to buy optimus hardware.
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14:29<mihau>babilen, All I wanted was it to work, so I can watch some hd movies. So I believe, that 3d support is not needed. I could use that other, Intel, card, but on that driver it is just poor.
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14:31<Garp>Hi.
14:31<babilen>mihau: I am also not sure how well Debian's packages work with that unsupported kernel -- Was the module built correctly? -- Your xserver still tries to use nouveau which might be due to a couple of reasons. -- In short: Debian does *not* support that hardware out-of-the-box right now and it will be some work to get 290+ drivers packaged for squeeze. Lets assume you don't run squeeze but wheezy any more I would still expect problems ...
14:31<babilen>... due to Optimus. I am also reluctant to recommend an "upgrade" to wheezy as it requires quite some knowledge of Debian's packaging system to solve bugs/problems or deal with transitions (/msg dpkg transition) that you *will* run into.
14:32<Garp>Question: is there any Debian supported distribution for *cell phones* (based on Android or whatever)? If not, is there a reliable open-source driven distribution of cell phones? Thanks.
14:32<coriapolis>or tablets
14:33<valdyn> Garp no
14:33<coriapolis>:(
14:33<babilen>mihau: I am happily using Intel's HD3000 GPU, but I am also not interested in games or other 3D intensive applications, even though I am sure that it'll handle most of what I would want to throw at it.
14:33<Garp>valdyn: thanks, I'm disapointed ;(
14:34<Eren>huh, annoying "beeep" is really annoying
14:34<coriapolis>we will get there garp :( i want the same thing
14:34<Eren>everything went OK for a server installation
14:34<Garp>coriapolis : are there ppl working on it?
14:34<Eren>now I'll connect via ssh to the machine and configure server stuff
14:34<valdyn>Garp: its not practically possible to create a distro for closed hardware
14:34<mihau>babilen, is it worth to to upgrade to testing?
14:35<coriapolis>oh im not an admin here- i just am interested in the same thing Garp
14:35<babilen>mihau: sandybridge gpu's also require a newer Xorg drivers (xserver-xorg-video-intel) than those in squeeze IIRC (I am tracking sid) which you can also install from backports (/msg dpkg bdo ; /msg judd versions xserver-xorg-video-intel) if you want to stay with squeeze.
14:35<mihau>I mean, is the system stable enough?
14:36<babilen>mihau: Well, you will certainly get newer software, but you will also run into problems as testing is a development branch of Debian and not stable (in the "not broken" sense) all the time. How well do you know Debian?
14:36<mihau>babilen, upgrade is not a problem, the stability is what I am looking for
14:36<mihau>I've been using stable for like 2-3 years
14:36<babilen>mihau: stability in the "not broken" sense or in the "not changing" one? Or both ? :)
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14:36<mihau>babilen, not broken
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14:37<babilen>mihau: That being said: *If* your hardware allows you to disable the nvidia card (in the BIOS) and uses a hardware-mux (cf. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus) you can either: track wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) or install Xorg from backports.
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14:38<Garp>valdyn : I understand the problem a bit. But there have been some oo on closed hardware, and there might also be some phne with open hardware.
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14:39<babilen>mihau: Some people will tell you that testing is actually pretty not broken, but we had some serious bugs in the last years and it will happen again eventually. If you want to give it a try make sure to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable first
14:40<mihau>babilen, unfortunately, I can't disbale it. I guess I'll try wheezy.
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14:40<babilen>mihau: You can't disable the nvidia card?
14:40<coriapolis>pretty not broken?
14:41<mihau>babilen, haven't seen the option in bios
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14:41<coriapolis>lol
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14:43<mihau>babilen, I use my notebook mostly to movies and study/internet stuff.
14:43<babilen>mihau: Hmm -- Ok. I am guessing right now, but you could try to use the intel GPU regardless of nvidia being active, but I have no idea if that works. You would force that by adding a suitable device section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that sets the driver accordingly. (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d). I guess that you have to play with Optimus support for linux though, but I am not sure which project is working best as there are more than ironhide.
14:43<Garp>openmoko (very expensive) tuxphone .. there might be otheres, but seems that it's quite limited for now.
14:44<rtsai>hi I am looking to download deb 5 lenny iso but i cant find it anywhere
14:44<retrospectacus>!lenny iso
14:44<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.9/
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14:45<rtsai>awesome thanks alot!!
14:45<babilen>mihau: That somehow exhausts my knowledge of Optimus and your card. Feel free to ping/ask again if you run into problems. Good luck and may it work soon. I would also recommend to ask in other channels (e.g. #nouveau #nvidia #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net) for more opinions/suggestions.
14:45*retrospectacus is not an alot :| but you're welcome :)
14:46<babilen>:-þ
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14:46<mihau>babilen, thanks for the help and all ;-)
14:47<anbe>babilen, mihau: backporting 290.10 locally shouldn't be too difficult nowadays, but it probably won't help much
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14:54<anbe>babilen, would it help if I add an optional pciid option to the nvidia-detect script, so that one can run 'nvidia-detect [[10de[:]]1234]' and it would report support info about 10DE:<1234> instead of the card found locally?
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14:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a command line way to send a file by Bluetooth?
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15:04<babilen>anbe: We have to discuss backporting and making that easier in due course -- But I'm afk for a while now. And yes, adding that option to nvidia-detect would help tremendously in support. (right now I just grep the README's)
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15:10<rigved>hi everyone.
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15:12<jimmythesaint>Hi everyone. I'm having some trouble with Gnome 3 crashing to the login prompt. This popped up a few days ago and I'm at my troubleshooting limit.
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15:13<jimmythesaint>Is anyone here who might be able to lend me some guidance?
15:13<jimmythesaint>The only real errors I can find are in syslog. it says that gnome.desktop is respawning too fast
15:13<rigved>i heard that Raspberry Pi will ship with Debian. Can anybody tell me applications will it support? Will I be able to connect it to a monitor and use it to write spreadsheets, read email, edit photos etc.? I am not talking about the hardware aspect as more of the software side. Like is there a Libreoffice build available for the ARM architecture used on the Raspberry Pi etc.?
15:14<jimmythesaint>http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/
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15:23<rigved>jimmythesaint: thanks! libreoffice, shotwell and evolution are all available for the armel architecture! cool. can't wait to run try it out!
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15:25<anrxc>hello anyone knows why rsyslog Replaces syslog-ng, only thing they have in common is port 514 by default?
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15:25<anrxc>and how can i tell apt to ignore Replaces so I can run both, to port configuration from one to the other, before swapping their roles
15:25<simonlnu>anrxc: all syslogds can use that port if set up that way. some support using tcp also.
15:25<anrxc>yeah meaning i don't think it's a good reason to Replace: syslog-ng
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15:26<simonlnu>anrxc: that's a packaging decision, that the default syslogd is rsyslog. it used to be the venerable sysklogd/klogd combo for years.
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15:27<anrxc>yesh but why can't they both be installed at the same time - or do you know how to tell APT to ignore Replaces so I can run both until I port syslog-ng configuration to rsyslog
15:27<anrxc>removing syslog-ng would break the syslog server, obviously
15:27<simonlnu>because they do the exact same job.
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15:28<anrxc>but they don't distribute same files, and during testing rsyslog would run on port 515 - until ready, to ensure uninterrupted syslog-ng operation
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15:29<anrxc>googling for "apt ignore Replaces" is futile, no good results
15:29<simonlnu>because it won't
15:29<anrxc>ah
15:29<simonlnu>neither will dpkg
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15:29<anrxc>good user feature, but terrible sysadmin decision
15:29<anrxc>ok thanks a lot simonlnu
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15:30<simonlnu>that's a good point, in some cases, esp. for more advanced users/sysadmins
15:31<simonlnu>but, i don't see the point for some packages
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16:11<EmleyMoor>How do I go on with mtpfs?
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16:17<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not getting anywhere with mtp yet
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16:25<EmleyMoor>An Ubuntu-centric page, I know, but I would have expected this to work - but mtp-detect not finding anything: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/how-to-connect-your-android-ice-cream-sandwich-phone-to-ubuntu-for-file-access/
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16:33<EmleyMoor>Ah - mtp-detect only detecting anything as root just now...
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16:34<netuddmeg1899>ciao!
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16:37<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: I know you are trying to use Bluetooth, but I highly recommend the "Airdroid" app if you can use wiFi instead
16:38<EmleyMoor>I am actually trying to use USB!
16:39<retrospectacus>oh.. never had any problem with that, the phone storage just appears in "Computer"
16:40<retrospectacus>gotta tell the phone to be "mass storage" and not "windows portal" or whatever
16:40<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: That would b
16:41<EmleyMoor>Not possible for this phone to be "mass storage"
16:41<retrospectacus>too bad
16:41<retrospectacus>install airdroid, it's great
16:41<retrospectacus>if you have wifi
16:42<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: I might look into that...
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16:43<retrospectacus>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfXRhSIm-m0
16:44<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: Where do you get airdroid from?
16:44<retrospectacus>from the android market
16:44<retrospectacus>it's free
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16:44<EmleyMoor>Ah - it's Android-side?
16:44<retrospectacus>yea
16:45<retrospectacus>little webserver, runs on the phone... watch ^^
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16:49<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: it is offtopic though, join us in #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss further :)
16:49<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: I think it's wonderful...
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16:52<retrospectacus>'tis :)
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17:01<lo>is there a command i can use to find out how many disk controllers i have?
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17:02<retrospectacus>lo: maybe lspci
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17:27<lo>how do you do ethernet failover in debian? i have two nics and i'd like to use the 2nd one as a redundant card failing over as the default nic should the primary fail
17:27<lo>ifenslave?
17:28<retrospectacus>!tell lo about bonding
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17:32<lo>retrospectacus: ta :) i think that's the same as the ha stuff i read. but the ha stuff was old, for kernel 2.4 so wasn't sure if that's how it's still done
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17:33<lo>infact it's just ifenslave2-6 :)
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17:33<retrospectacus>haven't tried that stuff meself
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17:34<lo>retrospectacus: im using software raid1 with two identical disks may as well go for the full ha setup since i have two nics
17:34<niag>2 PCs with bluetoth dongle. I wish to establish a connection creating PAN network. Looking for a step-by-step HOWTO for brainless people.
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17:34<retrospectacus>my HA is two physical servers
17:35<retrospectacus>with DRBD, OCFS2, corosync, all that good stuff
17:35<lo>is DRDB like GlusterFS?
17:36<retrospectacus>hmm I think it is compatible, I forget
17:38<retrospectacus>drbd is a disk replication technology, you can use whatever FS you want on the partitions
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17:38<retrospectacus>but if you want primary-primary you have to use a special fs, I went with OCFS2
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17:39<retrospectacus>I think GFS (might be Glusterfs) was an option
17:39<retrospectacus>but it caused some kernel panics
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17:42<EmleyMoor>I'm getting on better with this new phone all the time... unlike my last adventure with Android
17:42<lucas_>eae
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17:42<lucas_>Someone can help me?
17:42<EmleyMoor>lucas_: Just ask, in English.
17:43<lucas_>ok
17:43<lucas_>I have the last's debian version
17:44<lucas_>I am trying to install EMESENE, and i've downloaded
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17:44<lucas_>when i will try to install, it show me:Error: A dependência não é contentável: python (>= 2.6.6-7~)
17:44<retrospectacus>you downloaded?
17:45<retrospectacus>why not just run apt-get install emesene
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17:45<EmleyMoor>lucas_: You might do better on #debian-br, where Portuguese is understood. However I guess that means that package needs later python than you have available
17:45<retrospectacus>!tell lucas_ about localized errors
17:45<retrospectacus>!tell lucas_ about bat
17:46<lucas_>yeah, i have tried it cental applications, but it has one version that doens't works here
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17:47<lucas_>debian-br hasn't anyone
17:47<retrospectacus>,versions emesene
17:47<judd>Package: emesene on i386 -- lenny: 1.0-dist-4; squeeze: 1.6.3-1; wheezy: 2.11.11+dfsg-1; sid: 2.12.1+dfsg-1
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17:48<EmleyMoor>Maybe it's more populated on Freenode...
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17:48<retrospectacus>,checkbackport emesene
17:48<judd>Backporting package emesene in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
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17:48<lucas_>I use Debian 64x
17:48<retrospectacus>lucas_: you should be able to install the sid version using ssb. /msg dpkg ssb
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17:48<lucas_>i will try
17:49<lucas_>brb
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17:50<niag>2 PCs with bluetooth dongle. I wish to establish a connection creating PAN network. someone help? link to howto is wellcome.
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18:29<mihau>Hello, I've got a problem with policykit, I cannot turn off, reboot, suspend, mount a disk, etc. without root acces. Debian Wheezy.
18:29<mihau>Fresh installation
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18:31<retrospectacus>wheezy is supported in #debian-next mihau
18:31<mihau>retrospectacus, thanks
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18:33<ruif13>!eeepc
18:33<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
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19:34<theocrite>Hello all.
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19:35<theocrite>I used to have a linux-*-xen kernel in squeeze. But now, since wheezy, I can't find such package.
19:35<theocrite>Was there an update regarding XEN management ?
19:36<theocrite>I can see that xen-linux-system depends on a linux image without the "xen" part in the name http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xen-linux-system-3.1.0-1-amd64
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19:38<theocrite>Hm. Before that, the name was xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 (twice "xen" in the name). What's up with that ?
19:39<retrospectacus>!xen
19:39<dpkg>Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>.
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20:02<babilen>theocrite: It has been merged into mainline
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20:04<theocrite>babilen: thanks.
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20:10<jasonsmr>I too would like to use xen in debian on a i686 machine, however
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20:33<zykotick9>i asked a related question a couple hours ago on freenode. Is it possible to get nouveau 3d working on squeeze? I updated to wheezy and it's working, but I'd much prefer to run "stable" (and would be willing to reinstall, it's a fresh install right now). When I initially tried in squeeze I was missing the firmware-linux-free packages (could this have been my issue?). I'd tried installing kernel and libgl1-mesa-dri from backports while I was trying on
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20:38<babilen>zykotick9: You could try the backported Xorg, but I am not sure if the version is recent enough.
20:38<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
20:38<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:0.0.16+git20111201+b5534a1-1; wheezy: 1:0.0.16+git20111201+b5534a1-1; experimental: 1:0.0.16+git20111201+b5534a1-1+exp1
20:38<zykotick9>babilen: not to be rude (I really appreciate your input), but before I reinstall the entire system, do you know if it works?
20:39<babilen>I don't
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20:39<zykotick9>i can't find anything on the net to confirm/deny either :(
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20:40<babilen>zykotick9: #nouveau on irc.freenode.net could know more (they probably need to know your exact GPU/PCIID of it) -- They have been quite active in the last year so it might very well be that the version from 20110411 is not working, but the one from 20111201 is.
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20:41<babilen>zykotick9: If all else fails: Get the source code and read changelogs ;)
20:41<zykotick9>babilen: i know both from h-node and now personal experience on wheezy that the card does support 3d
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20:41<zykotick9>babilen: thank you
20:42<babilen>Good luck!
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20:59<jimmythesaint>Hey. I can't log in to gnome 3. I get kicked back to login. Syslog says gnome.desktop spawning to quickly. Any ideas?
20:59<jimmythesaint>Thanks
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21:00<txn>so when im silly and install debian testing on a lenovo thinkpad x200 , if i dont turn off i915 mode OFF, the screen is chopped off, a big 1 inch bar on the right. if i leave i915 mode ON, the computer is unbearably slow. what am i doing wrong?
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21:16<TheCrittaC>txn, what does it have for a video card?
21:17<txn>TheCrittaC: Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
21:17<txn>i think?
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21:18<TheCrittaC>Do you have the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed?
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21:22<txn>i do. i have every xserver type installed ever.
21:22<jose>hola
21:22<TheCrittaC>What driver does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file say you're using?
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21:23<txn>i dont have one. i never one in there anymore when installing. why is that? i guess its automatic. i could make one with Xorg -configure
21:24<TheCrittaC>Try doing that.
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21:24<babilen>!empty xorg.conf
21:24<dpkg>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>, <xorg config lenny>.
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21:24<babilen>!xorg.conf.d
21:24<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
21:24<babilen>TheCrittaC, txn: ^^^
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21:29<txn>remember the days when xorg.conf was locked up in all kinds of crazy ways and it almost impossible to configure by hand
21:29<txn>at least in debian
21:29<txn>i can't remember why anymore
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21:31<zykotick9>babilen: no replies in #nouveau to "..does nouveau 3d work in squeeze.." so I guess I'll stick with testing. Mplayer capable of playing full screen video smoothly is a huge plus (non-accelerated nouveau was not), i tried openarena and quickly had a full system lockup (almost expected from what I've read) which isn't ideal, but it's using free (faif) drivers which is the goal. I'll keep irssi open, perhaps #nouveau will still come through with an answer
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21:35<babilen>zykotick9: Yeah, a lot of IRC channels work like that. you ask a question, idle and receive an answer hours later. #debian et al. are just spoiling users. ;)
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21:43<kristianpaul>Western Digital's My Book Live owners around?
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21:50<babilen>kristianpaul: Assume yes and ask your real question ;)
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21:52<kristianpaul>babilen: not very polite from you, i just wanted a ramdon comment
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21:53<kristianpaul>but YES, i wonder if i can drop u-boot ny lilo or such..
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21:53<kristianpaul>like a default debian install does..
21:53<kristianpaul>s/ny/with
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21:55<babilen>What is u-boot?
21:56<kristianpaul>-_-
21:56<kristianpaul>n8 all
21:59<babilen>Well, good night *shrug*
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22:03<simonlnu>kristianpaul: hi how are you. you did ask for a random comment. ;)
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22:08<kristianpaul>simonlnu: yes :)
22:09<kristianpaul>initially of course
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22:12<babilen>I still wonder what "u-boot" is in the context of HDDs and why kristianpaul wants to drop it.
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22:47<benjr>Some setting is turning my monitor off/standby after a few minutes, how can I edit the timeout period? Its not under Settings > Display or Settings > Screensaver
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22:52<nick_>installing debian for the first time, exciting!!!
22:53<nick_>I need to install xorg before xfce4 right?
22:54<acu>nick_ how did you install it - through netinstall ? do you have gnome ? which debian do you install wheezy or squeeze ?
22:55<nick_>netinstall
22:55<nick_>and 6.0.3
22:55<nick_>i just finished installing, and now i ran apt-get install xorg
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22:56<acu>nick_ if you go through normal installation - gnome will be install by default - unless you choose minimum installation - anyhow once you have gnome - you can use shell cli or synaptic package manager (gui) to install xfce - so you will have choice to login in xfce or gnome
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22:57<nick_>i deselected the graphical desktop environment because I dont want gnome
22:57<acu>I see - I think if you choose xfce it will grab xorg
22:57<steampunk>I just install ubuntu 11.10 and went to fall back so I could use gnome.
22:57<nick_>I just need to do apt-get install xfce4 right?
22:57<steampunk>Btw, hello
22:58<nick_>hello
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22:58<acu>nick_ yes
22:58<acu>steampunk, hello
22:58<steampunk>wasup
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22:58<nick_>installing dev
22:59<nick_>deb*
22:59<acu>maybe I should start using xfce too - just dab into it
22:59<acu>I just find fun this gnome3 from wheezy (testing) debian
22:59<steampunk>i've used xfce on puppy, works great]
22:59<steampunk>icew on mint
23:00<nick_>i have been using freebsd for a while
23:00<acu>unly that with ATI vga cards was a bit diffiult --- xfce was really fast as much as I rememberer
23:00<steampunk>I had a bit of trouble with bsd, I got it installed, but only had a command line
23:01<nick_>its super easy to setup, there is great online documentation
23:01<acu>I am installing xfce4 in wheezy right now - what the heck - I have a laptop I need to clean - too many experiments :)
23:02<acu>let me see how it is - but I have this laptop with Phenom 4 cores and solid state drive - is just instant - whatever I do - with whatever - is just boringly fast :)
23:02<steampunk>sounds like me, I've been distroschitzo in my day
23:02<steampunk>sambian was my first linux distro
23:02<acu>well - I use mostly gnome since few years - before I used kde
23:03<nick_>well after I installed xfce4, i ran startx, and the mouse and keyboard dont work
23:03<steampunk>fun fun
23:03<acu>and I use mostly debian when I can - scientific linux sometimes - and redhat when I am forced :)
23:04<steampunk>I have to have something robust now, because I use alittle this, a little of that
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23:05<steampunk>anyone here any python experience, I'm writing a start up script that will launch Docky
23:06<steampunk>Docky is having troube launching on log in, but it seems to always work fromt he comand line, so I'm trying to get it going with a script to monitor it and control when it launches
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23:07<acu>my gnome does not work - startx
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23:17<benjr>Some setting is turning my monitor off/standby after a few minutes, how can I edit the timeout period? Its not under Settings > Display or Settings > Screensaver
23:17<acu>Is there
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23:23<criss>hey
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23:49<vimana>im having a bit of trouble with the nvidia-glx driver, im not sure if im supposed to ask in here or somewhere else
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23:54<kop>vimana: I think you ask here. You need to say whether you installed it from nvidia or did it the debian way. (I don't know anything about either.) Or try #debian on irc.freenode.net, although the people who really know what they're doing usually are here too.
23:54<kop>vimana: So long as you use debian you can always ask here.
23:54<vimana>i installed it from wheezy non-free using aptitude but i think somehow it went wrong, its not finding it in Xorg
23:55<vimana>im in a tty right now, i should have followed the wiki..
23:55<kop>vimana: You don't want to mix releases. That makes for a broken system.
23:55<vimana>hmm
23:56<kop>vimana: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware
23:56<vimana>i was just going to reinstall the base system again, and when i get to gnome, look it up in a browser, links isn't too friendly to me
23:56<vimana>but i figured someone in here could maybe help
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23:59<kop>vimana: Someone might. Or ask again in a bit.
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