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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-14

---Logopened Sat Jan 14 00:00:07 2012
---Daychanged Sat Jan 14 2012
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00:00<vimana>ill reinstall and do it, my mind is in too many places to be patient
00:01<vimana>im sorry
00:01<vimana>thank you though
00:01<kop>vimana: Good luck.
00:01<vimana>:) thank you
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00:26<Skipper>someone can send me some iptables configuration
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00:33<Skipper>???
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00:45<TheEvilOne>Skipper: what do you want iptables to *do*?
00:45<TheEvilOne>without specifics there's a billion different configurations
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00:50<Skipper>colleague need iptables configurations and configure it for noticing mine, I have entered the internet IRC jabber girders
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02:09<technologov>hi !
02:09<technologov>how to up priority of Debian bug?
02:10<technologov>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549309
02:10<technologov>is constantly crashing...
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02:13<ao2>technologov, "man bts" and look for "severity"
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02:13<technologov>If bug is not my, can I do it ?
02:15<ao2>AFAIR you can
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02:18<tdo>connect
02:19<technologov>No manual entry for bts
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03:40<sertaconay>Hi, I burned debian testing amd64 images on Ubuntu Gnome 32bit(my desktop). When i try to open DVD on my desktop it shows inside the DVD. But when i try to open DVD on Ubuntu Gnome 64bit(my laptop) it shows blank DVD. I try to burn again DVD on my laptop but gave me an error that couldn't burn dvd. I tried to open DVD on other desktop (Debian 32bit) it shows inside the DVD.
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03:40<sertaconay>What am i missing do you think ?
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03:42<R33D3M33R>hello, since the freeze for Debian 7 is around june this year, will this mean it will have KDE 4.8.4?
03:42<Bushmills>as dvd contents seem to show with debian, be happy. that's all you need.
03:42<Bushmills>R33D3M33R: wait and see
03:43<technologov>maybe...
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03:43<R33D3M33R>aha
03:43<R33D3M33R>well, we are translating KDE, that's why i'm asking
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03:45<Bushmills>R33D3M33R: maybe you can give a more accurate date for freeze.
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03:45<R33D3M33R>no, the date is from wikipedia :D
03:46<Bushmills>dates are just as speculative as program versions
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03:51<sertaconay>My laptop (N53S SZ174) doesn't exist here. http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/asus.html This means i cannot install Debian on my laptop ?
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03:52<technologov>you can, but some hardware may not work... webcam/wifi/...
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03:52<technologov>Basic Debian will install on any laptop, really.
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03:53<sertaconay>OK, thanks. searching documentation for my issue.
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04:13<Toshiba_>Hello ! Can someone please tell me how can I determine the package manager in any Linux distribution ?
04:14<technologov>read in Google.
04:14<technologov>in Debian - it is "apt-get"
04:15<Toshiba_>I can use "uname" to find out more info, but not the package manager
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04:17<Bushmills>aptitude is an alternative to apt-get
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04:18<Bushmills>for other than debian, i'm confident that respective distribution has documented it somewhere
04:19<Bushmills>maybe try asking on their irc channel?
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04:31<ayaka>why aptitude foruc use old pack while installing
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04:33<Bushmills>aptitude doesn't. your configuration is such:
04:33<Bushmills>!sources
04:33<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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04:36<Bushmills>if your question was "why does stable contain old packages", then: because "from frequently changing packages one can't make a stable distribution"
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04:39<ayaka>Bucciarati, no,I compile my package instead stable,but I use aptitude install another package will cause this
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04:42<ayaka>Bucciarati, thank you
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04:59<Gerowen>Random question, anybody have a guesstimate as to when python 3 will be the default in Debian? As it is right now I have and use python 3, but it's still called by the terminal command "python3", the command "python" is still version 2.6.6.
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06:22<Eren>finally registered my domain, time to play with postfix, spamassassin and dovecot to setup email server for me
06:22<Eren>as well as nginx, php for wordpress
06:22<Eren>I decided to be my own system administrator :)
06:23<degli>Eren: nice :)
06:26<Eren>I would need to renew my dns record everytime the electricity goes off or an error happens in my cable connection
06:26<Eren>because I've used my laptop as a server :)
06:26<gruetzkopf>use a UPS
06:27<Eren>and also, I have a dynamic ip address assigned by my ISP
06:27<Eren>gruetzkopf: possible
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06:27<degli>Eren: can uuse dyndns for dns
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06:28<Eren>$30/yr :(
06:29<degli>Eren: and afraid.org ?
06:29<degli>eat time :P
06:30<Eren>since I'll be experimenting, it seems I don't need dynamic dns for now :)
06:30<Eren>I'm expecting to correctly configure mail, web, LDAP system
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06:33<Guest24010>hi
06:33-!-zz_andres is now known as andres
06:34<Guest24010><<< waves to Amitz
06:34<Guest24010>>>> waves to debhelper
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07:26<lo>wharp
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08:03<XaYER>подскажите, а какой образ CD из 52-х нужно скачивать на оф. сайте для установки Debian?
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08:05<XaYER>или подскажите где можно найти подробный мануал по устанвке из netinst
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08:07<retro|blah>!ru
08:07<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
08:07<XaYER>sory. thanks
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08:28<Guest24024>I just installed xubuntu on an old PC I had laying around. After the install I started the PC and the update manager came up. I clicked on install updates, put in my password but it keeps failing. This is what I'm getting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/803978/ Can someone help me please?
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08:28<gnuboy>hi, who worked with rebuildd here?
08:29<retro|blah>!xubuntu Guest24024
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08:29<kilelme>!xubuntu
08:29<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.xubuntu.org/ See also <based on debian>.
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08:29<kilelme>Guest24024: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to correst address..
08:30<Guest24024>kilelme, Thanks
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08:30<kilelme>Guest24024: if have another problem please visit channel #xubuntu
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08:30<Guest24024>retro|blah, Sorry about that. Xchat was defaulted here
08:30<maya>hi
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08:31<kilelme>Guest24024: no problem
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08:31<Guest24024>kilelme, will do
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08:32<gnuboy>does anyone knows anything about rebuildd
08:32<gnuboy>?
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08:58<damiano>!list
08:58<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
08:58<damiano>ciao
08:58<damiano>perchè?
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09:00<damiano>!list
09:00<dpkg>damiano: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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09:01<damiano>!list
09:01<dpkg>damiano: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
09:01<Guest24026>...
09:01<damiano>ma su questo canale c'è una lista?
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09:04<damiano>ehiii c'è nessuno??
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09:05<roughnecks>qui si parla inglese e non c'è nessuna lista
09:05<damiano>a ok scusa
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09:52<user_k>hi there. desperate debianist here. 2 days of attempts to setup on my 2 PCs a PAN network with bluetooth 4, but ALL HOWTO i fount refere to bluetooth 3.x with deprcate command "pand". any good soul here can help me? link, howto, are wellcome.
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10:01<rigved>user_k: this is not a solution, but it might help. the legacy /usr/bin/pand program can be installed in squeeze from the package bluez-compat. Check out this link: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pand&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any
10:02<user_k>rigved, yes, i know bluez-compat package. but i want to use not deprecated programs. it is
10:03<user_k>it is because i dont want to stay "behind" with the software.
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10:04<user_k>im looking for up-to-date HOWTO, if hany.
10:04<user_k>any*
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10:08<kasii>hi all
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10:19<rigved>user_k: sorry. google only points to the old how-tos. but let me check.
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10:19<user_k>rigved, i hope you will google better than me.
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10:20<user_k>rigved, take you time i stay here.
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10:36<cybersphinx>Is there some program to losslessly (i.e. no reencoding) cut mkv files with subtitle stream, with a gui to select which parts to cut? avidemux can load the files, but then doesn't recognize any keyframes, and probably drops the subtitle stream as well.
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10:40<petemc>cybersphinx: mkvtoolnix-gui
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10:42<uloga>so wuz up guys ??
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10:43<cybersphinx>petemc: Where does that allow selecting the parts to cut? I guess there's some place to enter timecodes, but if I knew them, I could just use the command line tool.
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11:03<rigved>user_k: i'm back. ok, so not much luck. i found this: http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,2698
11:05<rigved>user_k: there is also a link to a gentoo guide in there. this will be the manual way.
11:05<user_k>i read now
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11:07<user_k>rigved, thyanks. i guess why so poor info around the web despite to protocoll stat to be widely used.
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11:08<rigved>user_k: you are welcome. but is it what you were looking for?
11:08<user_k>rigved, still reading
11:09<user_k>ther talk about /etc/bluetooth/network.config but it is /etc/bluetooth/network.conf.
11:09<user_k>little typo :)
11:10<user_k>rigved, also that file test-adapter seems to be mysterious. i have to do a direct test
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11:12<rigved>user_k: ya. to be expected. it's a gentoo guide "ported" to debian!
11:12<user_k>for the moment i bookmark the link, now i have an unespected task to comlete.
11:12<user_k>rigved, you help was strong, thanks again.
11:13<rigved>user_k: glad to help.
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11:46<jhutchins>user_k: Different distros put the files in different places.
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11:46<jhutchins>The RPM branch handles networking completely differently.
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12:18<nyu`>Hi, I need HELP! I've overwritten GRUB in MBR with SYSLINUX, but I didn't complete the install because systemd didn't let me out of recovery mode. Now when I try to boot from anything, I get "Missing operating system". When I boot from an USB stick that isn't supposed to be bootable, I get GRUB rescue menu, but after setting root, I can't insmod anything.
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12:18<nyu`>s/recovery mode/emergency mode (equalivent to SysVinit single user mode - runlevel S)
12:18<nyu`> /
12:19<mikael>no idea how to fix it
12:19<mikael>i had the same problem with debian a week ago
12:19<nyu`>I can't boot from any CD or USB :/
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12:20<nyu`>CDs and USB sticks I tried ARE bootable, because I can boot them fine from this other computer.
12:20<nyu`>s/boot/boot from/
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12:20<nyu`>mikael: And are you still stuck there?
12:20<nyu`>Or what did you do?
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12:20<abrotman>nyu`: why would you do that?
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12:20<nyu`>tbh I wouldn't even mind if I had to reinstall Debian, just to get it working again.
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12:21<nyu`>abrotman: I prefer SYSLINUX over GRUB, and #syslinux gave me explanation on how to replace GRUB with it.
12:21<nyu`>And I didn't see any option to install SYSLINUX in the Debian installer.
12:21<abrotman>and they can't tell you how to recover?
12:21<jhutchins_lt>nyu`: Something that happened on the hard drive shouldn't have any effect on whether you can boot to CD's or USBs.
12:22<nyu`>jhutchins_lt: Indeed. But I can't boot from any CD or USB anymore. Strange. :/
12:22<nyu`>abrotman: I'll go ask them on freenode.
12:22<jhutchins_lt>nyu`: You need to look at the system's BIOS and see why it's letting the HD override them.
12:22<abrotman>good plan .. obviously syslinux must be better .. </sarcasm>
12:22<nyu`>Boot priority: 1. CD 2. Removable drives 3. HDD 4. Disabled
12:23<jhutchins_lt>nyu`: Dunno, might need to disable the HDD.
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12:28<nyu`>jhutchins_lt: Then it just gives reboot and select proper boot device or something like that.
12:29<abrotman>sounds like you prepared your USB/CD badly?
12:30<nyu`>No. I repeat, THEY ARE BOOTABLE. I can boot from them on this computer.
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13:03<bacchus_>Hi, I'm trying to install Debian Testing with the Nestinstall and I'm getting an error saying it can't install linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae. Is there someone else getting that issue?
13:04<jhutchins_lt>nyu`: "This computer" being a different computer, correct?
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13:05<nyu`>jhutchins_lt: Yes, my old laptop
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13:05<jhutchins_lt>I don't suppose you've got a spare drive somewhere?
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13:09<abrotman>bacchus_: i'll tell you in a minute :)
13:10<bacchus_>thanks :)
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13:11<abrotman>seems fine
13:11<abrotman>bacchus_: FWIW .. we'd recommend using the stable installer, then upgrading from there
13:11<bacchus_>In fact, I have tried to install Wheezy on two different computers and I got stuck with that error on both. :(
13:11<abrotman>at least at this point
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13:12<bacchus_>Oh... I would like to use btrfs and I think it's not supported under stable.
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13:12<bacchus_>But I think I don't have the choice. Thank you Abrotman. :)
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13:16<nyu`>jhutchins_lt: I don't think I have any, but even if I had one... tell me how to replace HDD in a laptop?
13:16<TheEvilOne>nyu`: depends on the laptop
13:16<TheEvilOne>and the manufacturer
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13:16<nyu`>ASUS K50AF
13:16<jhutchins_lt>nyu`: Depends on the laptiop. Sometimes it's one screw, sometimes you completely disassemble it, but I didn't mean the HD.
13:17<jhutchins_lt>Is the problem system a laptop as well?
13:17<nyu`>Yes
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13:19<jhutchins_lt>It sounds like your rescue mode may be the init RD. You may be able to get a chroot to the HD and get grub-install to run.
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13:20<nyu`>I can't boot Linux from GRUB rescue, insmod is failing.
13:20<nyu`>Even when setting proper prefix and root.
13:20<jhutchins_lt>nyu`: I think you need to explore the filesystem of yoru rescue mode.
13:20<nyu`>How? Only set and insmod exist there AFAIK.
13:20<jhutchins_lt>nyu`: Yeah, I think you're in the initrd.
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13:23<nyu`>brb, switching client
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14:00<rigved>hi everyone. i have squeeze installed on a 20 GB partition. I also have 2 fat32 partitions on the same computer. I want to delete both the fat32 partitions and add the resulting free space to the debian / partition. how do i do this?
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14:00<rigved>afair, the debian partition should not be mounted before gparted can expand it.
14:00<rigved>is this correct?
14:01<rigved>or is it possible to expand the debian partition even when it is mounted?
14:02<nyu`>You could use gparted live CD.
14:03<rigved>nyu`: ok. thanks for the info. i'll try that.
14:03<nyu`>You're welcome :)
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14:05<rigved>one more thing. i had tried installing ubuntu, but the LiveCD would not load up on the afore-mentiond computer. so i installed debian. the hardware is old. does the gparted liveCD have a text version?
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14:06<abrotman>it should be fine, even with the GUI version
14:07<rigved>abrotman: ok. thanks!
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14:08<rigved>searching for gparted liveCd, i also found a debian LiveCD. nice!
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14:13<rigved>the debian standard LiveCD is just terminal, right? no GUI...
14:14<nyu`>isohybrid version has a GUI IIRC
14:14<nyu`>Maybe not live mode
14:14<nyu`>But installer has GUI
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14:15<rigved>nyu`: in isohybrid, there are versions for gnome, kde, lxde and xfce. and then there is a standard version.
14:16<rigved>nyu`: so, you are saying that the standard one has no gui, but has a gui for the installer?
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14:19<nyu`>No idea about standard, sorry
14:19<rigved>nyu`: ok. thanks again. it has a small size, so i'll download and test.
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14:52<cloudm33>Hmm, i can ask here?
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14:52<cloudm33>I have problem with my second PC :)
14:53<nyu`>!ask
14:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:54<cloudm33>Hmm.
14:54<cloudm33>I have desktop and laptop.
14:54<cloudm33>I installed today debian stable fine at my laptop.
14:55<cloudm33>But i can't run the wi-fi card at installation at my desktop.
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14:55<cloudm33>Hmm. Maybe i try self configurate of the network? I go.
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14:57<nyu`>Drivers installed?
14:57<nyu`>You might need to use proprietary drivers
14:58<cloudm33>I
14:58<cloudm33>I'm have only netinstall DVD.
14:58<cloudm33>So, i have only a terminal. How to install driver's at terminal?
14:58<cloudm33>Just log at root, and ./driver.etc ?
15:00<nyu`>I'd recommend you to use Ethernet to configure things with Netinstall
15:00<cloudm33>I have installed Debian stable with nothing. No x server, no graphic manager.
15:00<nyu`>Then install wireless-tools
15:00<cloudm33>Hmm, so connect the laptop to pc with a ethernet?
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15:00<cloudm33>I installed at laptop the debian with wi-fi and no problem's :/
15:01<cloudm33>W8, i have problem only with DHCP detection.
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15:15<adrien_>ls
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15:16<haziz1>ls
15:16<nyu`>ls
15:16<adrien_>salut
15:16<haziz1>write
15:17<adrien_>I'm a noob here
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15:17<adrien_>I begin to use the "console"
15:17<adrien_>I come from Belgium
15:18<adrien_>I 'm in xubuntu, and i want create a IRC server
15:19<adrien_>can you help my ? is it easy ? is it possible?
15:19<Torsten_W>!ubuntu
15:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:19<adrien_>*me
15:19<nyu`>!tell adrien_ about xubuntu
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15:20<adrien_>thanks
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15:33<cloudm33>Fast question >> how to check local ip of pc at Linux?
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15:34<dtw>cloudm33, "ip addr"
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16:15<__Alex_>Is there a way i can record the sound Output of my computer (What i heas from the speakers̈́) witouth having to physically link the Output with the Input with a Loopback cable? (I lost it :()
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16:36<mee>__Alex_, I believe you can create a 'fake' audio device that just writes out a file, yes
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16:39<mee>unfortuantely, I can't find instructions right now
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17:07<[C88]Chr0m3>Hello everynody
17:08<[C88]Chr0m3>I'm trying to fix a problem with Xvnc on my remote Debian server
17:08<[C88]Chr0m3>I need to kiil the process, bit the pid keeps changing
17:08<[C88]Chr0m3>so the kill <pid> won't work
17:09<[C88]Chr0m3>neither the tightvncserver -kill:1 works because it isnt a tightvnc process
17:09<[C88]Chr0m3>could somebody give me a workaround?
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17:15<Morena12>oLaa
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17:15<Morena12>Ola? aii aalguiien?
17:15<XeonBloomfield>Morena12: ?
17:16<Morena12>Quee aburrimiiento!
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17:19<Morena12>haay alguiien?
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17:20<Morena12>Ablad algo!
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17:27<Heiia>hello
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17:29<[C88]Chr0m3>hello
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17:29<kevin___>?
17:30<kevin___>q
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17:30<morph>hey
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17:30<morph>can i run debian on a 1.8ghz 256mb ram computer?
17:30<kevin___>q
17:30<kevin___>:q
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17:30<[C88]Chr0m3>can you help me with vnc under Debian?
17:32<charlvn>[C88]Chr0m3: what's up
17:32<[C88]Chr0m3>my colleague messed our server up a bit
17:32<morph>can i run debian on a 1.8ghz 256mb ram computer?
17:32<[C88]Chr0m3>and I need to kiil a rogue xvnc session
17:32<[C88]Chr0m3>but the pid keeps changing =(
17:32<retro|blah>morph: Probably
17:33<charlvn>morph: i run debian with lxde on my mom's old 192MB acer laptop
17:33<charlvn>[C88]Chr0m3: can't you just use killall ?
17:33<charlvn>[C88]Chr0m3: otherwise take a look at skill
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17:34<[C88]Chr0m3>skill?
17:34<[C88]Chr0m3>wouldnt killall kill every process?
17:34<[C88]Chr0m3>I have acoupple of processes I woulen't like to kill
17:35<charlvn>[C88]Chr0m3: yes then killall isn't the solution
17:35<charlvn>is the process you want to kill running as a particular user?
17:35<charlvn>then you can use skill -u
17:36<[C88]Chr0m3>nope
17:36<[C88]Chr0m3>it is disowned
17:36<charlvn>this could be tricky
17:36<morph>charlvn: debian 6.0.3?
17:36<charlvn>morph: yup
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17:40<lokikp>i m running sid and cannot activate 3d effects in kde4 (use intel hd3000) looking at xorg log only warning not erros... any help?
17:41<charlvn>and your syslog? sounds like driver issues
17:41<lokikp>(WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
17:42<lokikp>it is driver isue but cannot identify it.. so need help
17:42<lokikp>:)
17:42<charlvn>yeah those things tend to be tricky
17:42<lokikp>WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
17:42<lokikp> the other line
17:42<charlvn>putting a lshw on some paster helps
17:42<lokikp>only two lines with warniings
17:43<charlvn>but i need to go to bed, ciao all
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17:43<lokikp>goodnight....:)
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17:48<Drz70>Hello, I'd like to make an Ubuntu install USB drive, are there any aplications to do that ?
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17:56<compgrokker>!tell Drz70 ubuntu
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17:57<Drz70>what does that mean ?
17:57<compgrokker>Drz70: there's a bot that gives info on how to get help with ubuntu
17:57<compgrokker>Drz70: we don't support ubuntu here, because ubuntu isn't debian
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17:57<Drz70>of course but I'm using debian right now
17:58<compgrokker>ok, you'd asked about using usb drives in ubuntu
17:58<technologov_>Drz70, we can help with Debian install from USB :)
17:58<technologov_>it is simple
17:58<technologov_>cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
17:58<Drz70>god, I need to know how to create an ubuntu installation USB on Debian
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17:58<compgrokker>ah, sorry, misunderstood
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17:59<compgrokker>Drz70: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
17:59<compgrokker>first hit on google for 'install ubuntu from usb'
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18:01<Drz70>yes, no help at all because they have instructions for Ubuntu, Windows and OSX
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18:03<compgrokker>the last note about using unetbootin applies to debian
18:03<compgrokker>last note in the 'from ubuntu' section, that is
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18:05<compgrokker>googling "install ubuntu from usb debian" returns several promising-looking results as well
18:06<compgrokker>especially hits 1, 3, and 4 (i didn't bother to scroll further)
18:06<compgrokker>hth
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18:09<Drz70>just installed unetbootin
18:09<Drz70>thanks
18:09<compgrokker>yw
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18:21<morph>hey is there a help file for debian
18:21<morph>like commands and stuff
18:21<morph>apt-get equivilent etc
18:23<gsimmons>morph: You might be interested in the Debian Reference Card.
18:23<gsimmons>dpkg: refcard
18:23<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
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18:26<caba>hi
18:26<theocrite>What about doc-debian package?
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18:27<caba>i just upgraded from lenny->squeeze and there seems to be trouble regarding the upgrade from grub1 -> grub2
18:28<caba>i have /boot on a sw raid
18:29<caba>grub-install fails, complaining that there is no gap after the mbr that it could use for embedding...
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18:29<caba>should i switch back to grub-legacy?
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18:30<compgrokker>i would, but i've never had luck fixing grub2
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18:30<caba>well on all my other systems i kept grub2 and never had any issues with it. the sw-raid setup on this machine however seems incompatible with grub2...
18:31<compgrokker>is your /boot part of the raid, or separate?
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18:31<caba>its part of the raid
18:31<caba>thats the problem
18:31<compgrokker>yeah
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18:31<caba>grub1 never bothered with that
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18:32<compgrokker>i assume you don't have a spare drive you can put in to put /boot on?
18:32<caba>nope.
18:33<caba>to be more precise that is a rented machine hosted in a data center... so i guess i'm safer with grub-legacy ;)
18:33<compgrokker>ohh ok, yeah
18:34<compgrokker>since grub-legacy is known to work, that's the best option right now
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18:34<compgrokker>once the system is back up, that'll give you more time to look into making grub2 work
18:35<compgrokker>i know ubuntu, surprisingly, has the best docs for fixing grub2
18:35*compgrokker goes to look for the page
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18:36<jhutchins_lt>One _might_ infer that ubuntu has a greater need as it has more idiots messing up grub2.
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18:37<compgrokker>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
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18:38<compgrokker>jhutchins_lt: probably, that doesn't mean i'm going to complain about them having the best grub2 docs :P
18:39<compgrokker>caba: if nothing else, that should give you a good starting point to getting the grub upgrade to work
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18:40<caba>great, doesn't come up
18:40<compgrokker>jhutchins_lt: they also jumped on the grub2 bandwagon really early, and got bitten by the poorly-written official docs
18:40<caba>and i was already thinking i'd get to bed earlier than thought...
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20:08<WG>hi to all hackers
20:08<WG>ops crackers
20:08<WG>^^
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20:17<technologov_>we're hacking our way through Debian 6.0.4 code...
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20:47<morph>hey
20:47<morph>what comes on the small CD
20:47<morph>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
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21:50<tc>ok how does this chat thing work guys
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22:32<antonio>hello, i'm antonio, can you help me?
22:32<technologov_>you have my ear
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22:32<antonio>thank
22:33<antonio>first, i don't speak english but i will try you stand me
22:33<technologov_>which lang ?
22:33<antonio>i speak spain
22:33<technologov_>!es | antonio
22:33<dpkg>| antonio: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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22:34<antonio>join #debian-es
22:34<antonio>what i must to write?
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22:38<antonio>ok i have not found nobodys in debian-es, anybody could helpe me here?
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22:38<retrospectadus>antonio: we can try, just ask
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22:39<technologov_>ok i try
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22:40<antonio>ok, i have installed debian desktop in my pc, i will reestart the pc anda after the xfce-panel desapared
22:40<antonio>it is not!
22:41*technologov_ is not XFCE user. Can't help.
22:41<technologov_>maybe someone else
22:41<antonio>mmm ok
22:41<antonio>but do you stand me?
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22:45<antonio>okkkk' i have the solution! :D
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22:45<antonio>thanks anyway
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23:39<technologov_>!mentors
23:39<dpkg>[mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
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