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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-25

---Logopened Wed Jan 25 00:00:46 2012
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00:17<Guest428>春节好
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01:09<scientes_>is there a virtual-machine detection for populatity contest? and would that be approiate?
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01:11<codemonkey1337>if there was qemu would rate pretty low on the list
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01:15<scientes_>it would be qemu+kvm+xen+virtualbox+everything other AMD-v, VT software package
01:16<scientes_>well, i think ignoring regular qemu would be fine
01:16<scientes_>but I don't really think it would happen
01:17<scientes_>would be considered a slipperly slope, and i cant help but agree
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01:55<scientes_>ahhh, changelogs from aptititude and pacakges.debian.org are still broken!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:55<scientes_>someone needs to fix this
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02:12<chris>why might bluetooth turn on and off rapidly?
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02:14<confusedchris>why might bluetooth turn on and off rapidly?
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03:05<jasonsmr> so I was installing debian Via the debootstrap
03:05<jasonsmr>apparently there is a problem durring the configuration portion of the debootstrap I get error while configuring the gnome-key-ring
03:06<jasonsmr>correct error occurs in configuring package >> debian-archive-keyring
03:06<jasonsmr>why could this be, it leaves me with a unusable target...
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03:11<jm_>people won't be able to help you if you ask "what's wrong" without explaining the details ...
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03:21<jasonsmr>status half-configured debian-archive-keyring
03:21<jasonsmr>the above is the error I get when trying to fix the problem
03:22<jasonsmr>What it is that I am trying to do: Install debian from cd or from debootstrap both give this error
03:22<jasonsmr>whats up?
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03:22<Zaba>f~.
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03:30<jasonsmr>does the debianrepo have to be debian.de ?? no debian.jp ??
03:31<jm_>!mirrors
03:31<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
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03:34<amitz>is it a good idea to run debian under ios' chroot?
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03:55<paulio>Hello, Does anyone have any information about moving Gnome 3.2 into the Debian testing? Already it takes too much time. :)
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04:21<paulio>Can I turn off the messages about the connection and disconnection?
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04:27<jm_>paulio: you most likely can if you read documentation for your irc client
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04:44<paulio>I can not find it in Pidgin...
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04:49<deansu>paulio: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages#Pidgin.2FGaim - personally I would recommend a dedicated irc client
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04:53<paulio>deansu: Thanks, I have to have some additional plugin.
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04:58<jasonsmr>can someone help me Im getting gpg segmentation faults in a debian chroot trying to finish up a installation..
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05:05<marshcast>mornin' mornin!
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06:35<mitr>Hello all... how stable is debian testing right now?
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06:43<paulio>mitr: Hello, I'm using Debian testing daily in work without any problems.
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06:47<silopolis>hi all
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06:52<andol>Any non-trivial way I can get a list of packages which are "always" installed for a Debian Relase, no matter if installed using debootstrap, a minimal preseed, or so?
06:52<silopolis>hi folks
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07:01<maxou56810>Hello
07:02<heikkila>ehlo
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07:25<tata>my serial mouse dont work on debian 6.0, on old pc, I just looking to lxde desktop and what now? how to fix that problem with serial mouse?
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07:27<jm_>tata: is sermouse module loaded?
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07:28<hannibal>hi all :)
07:29<tata>dont know this is my 1. instalation
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07:29<hannibal>can anyone tell me that how to install wine on backbox?
07:29<maluku>Charles
07:30<jm_>lsmod will show you installed modules
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07:33<tata>what is LSMOD and how to open it?
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07:33<jm_>it's a command, run it in a terminal
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07:34<tata>how to open terminal without mouse?
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07:38<ayaka>Is there any way let you use ssh to login but can't use ssh tunnel?
07:38<lp>tata: either switch to a virtual console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login there as root, or use (in Gnome) Alt-F1 to activate the menu, then you can use arrow keys to navigate to accessories, then select terminal and press enter
07:39<tata>ok wait minute to do this
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07:41<sherif>hi
07:41<sherif>anybody there?
07:42<jm_>ayaka: you can disable tunneling in ssh config file(s)
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07:42<ayaka>jm_, oh,could you tell me more
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07:43<sherif>what is the function of this program?
07:43<sherif>just chat?
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07:43<babilen>!tell sherif -about irc tutorial
07:43<themill>sherif: this channel is for user support for debian users
07:43<sherif>debian means?
07:43<jm_>ayaka: man sshd_config, see AllowTcpForwarding, also note what it says about usefuleness of disabling it
07:44<ayaka>jm_, thank you
07:44<tata>I have lsmod, what now
07:44<jm_>ayaka: no worries
07:44<babilen>sherif: See http://www.debian.org
07:44<sherif>ty
07:45<sherif>still dont understand anything
07:45<sherif>im just new to ubuntu
07:45<sherif>7ad masry hna?
07:45<weasel>!ubuntu
07:45<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:45<ayaka>another problem about ssh, I hear that usermod can set the deadline of user but it's no use to the user logining by ssh which has keep key,it's really?
07:46<sherif>debian is another version of linux?
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07:47<lp>tata: does your mouse appear on the screen as pointer, but it won't move?
07:47<jm_>well try lsmod|grep sermouse
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07:48<tata>apper on desktop like arow, but not moving
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07:49<lp>tata: does jm_'s line lsmod|grep sermouse produce any output?
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07:52<tata>maybe SR_MOD
07:52<tata>SD_MOD ?
07:53<tata>also I have SCSI_MOD
07:53<lp>tata: i doubt scsi_mod has anything to do with your mouse...
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07:54<zroby64>hello
07:55<ayaka>jm_, thank you
07:55<tata>did I type scsi_mod ?
07:55<jm_>ayaka: no worries
07:56<ayaka>another thing,when I compile kernel,I scsi device,if I only have sata in achi,does I need scsi part?
07:56<lp>tata: i guess so… not important
07:56<Black_Prince>You need "SCSI Disk" part ...
07:56<Black_Prince>Also, SCSI CDROM ...
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07:56<Black_Prince>Because libata runs in scsi emulation or whatever ... hence the drives /dev/sd ... not /dev/hd
07:56<jm_>ayaka: yes
07:57<lp>tata: what does ls -l /dev/input/mice output?
07:57<ayaka>Black_Prince, I don;t have cdrom,and what is relation between sata and scsi?
07:57<Black_Prince>ayaka: as I said, libata runs in SCSI Device emulation or whatever ... You need "SCSI Disk" ... It will refuse to boot without it.
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07:58<ayaka>Black_Prince, then I find why it said can't mount disk
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07:58<Black_Prince>Also, you need proper filesystem driver.
07:58<ayaka>Black_Prince, jm_ thank both of you
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08:00<tata>crw-----1 root root 13, 63 jan 25 02:21 /dev/input/mice
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08:00<ayaka>another thing,I install linux 3.2.1 after compile but it don't have an initrd file,what is wrong?
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08:01<Black_Prince>You have to create it yourself, unless you built it with kernel package and added --initrd option.
08:01<jm_>!initrd
08:01<dpkg>[initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>.
08:01<jm_>in other words - not all kernels need initrd
08:02<Black_Prince>I always use kernel without initramfs ... I just compile disk and filesystem module into kernel. Everything else that's possible, I compile as modules.
08:02<Black_Prince>Anyways, why the hassle compiling new kernel? There is kernel 3.2 in Sid ...
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08:03<ayaka>ok,the part english is too hard,I need some time to read it
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08:08<ayaka>another problem,I see my grub.cfg with this sentence set root='(hd0,msdos1)' before search sentence,but the part is ext2
08:08<Black_Prince>Don't bother about grub. It does what it is supposed to do.
08:09<weasel>ayaka: that's probably the partition table type, not the filesystem type.
08:09<weasel>(given that hd0 doesn't refer to a partition but to a disk)
08:10<Black_Prince>hd0 - first disk ,1 - first partition.
08:10<jm_>indeed, it's documented as such
08:10<Black_Prince>grub legacy would said hd(0,0) for first disk and first partition
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08:14<ayaka>Black_Prince, weasel thank you
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08:15<ayaka>weasel, and my partition table is really has some problem becuase I use many tool to do it,and my disk is 4KB disk
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08:18<Black_Prince>4KB disk? And how do you plan to fit Linux onto that?
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08:19<jm_>i bet it is only 4k sectors internally and 512B sectors externally - unfortunatelly ...
08:20<jm_>so you need to take care of partition alignment
08:20<ayaka>Black_Prince, yes,and before install debian I install win7x64,then use debian installer to part the rest place ,and after it I change and resize some partition
08:20<Black_Prince>I still don't get the 4KB Disk ...
08:20<mjt>4kb sectors disk, not 4kb disk (the latter is just waaay too small for anything useful)
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08:21<Black_Prince>That one makes more sense :D
08:21<ayaka>jm_, but I don't realize that problem that time,because I hear win7 had supported,so I think our linux is advantage than win7,it must support it better than win
08:22<ayaka>mjk, I'm glad to learn new word and correct it, as you see I'm not a native speak,
08:23<babilen>Black_Prince: 4k sectors -- http://lwn.net/Articles/377895/
08:23<mjt>it depends on the tools. some "partitioners" understand 4k sectors (eg parted) some not (cfdisk)
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08:24<ayaka>is there any way to know whether my partition table is correct and 4KB sectors disk has been fixed
08:24<babilen>Black_Prince: The main problem is that they lie about that fact and (used to?) confuse some tools ... They pretend to be 512 ones, which causes alignment and thereby performance problems. I guess that MS Windows wants it that way, but *shrug*
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08:25<Black_Prince>babilen: thanks. I never heard about that untill now. But you may be right, it could be some thing only Microsoft wants ... Something like UEFI or so :P
08:25<mjt>ayaka: sfdisk -d /dev/sda (assuming it is sda) -- it will dump partition table to your terminal. There, the units are 512-byte sectors. Verify that each address is dividable by 8.
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08:26<ayaka>mjk, it's any dangerous?
08:26<mjt>it isn't m$-only thing, far from it. Lots of software assumes sector size to be 512 bytes, including lots of linux programs and older linux kernel too, and lots of bioses.
08:27<mjt>ayaka: i'm not mjk i'm mjt
08:27<jm_>ayaka: actually creating partitions with win7 in this case would work too
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08:28<mjt>ayaka: sure thing it is safe! I can suggest you to run a command that will wipe your hdd and tell you it is safe! :)
08:28<ayaka>mjk, bash: sfdisk: command not found,I will install it
08:28<mjt>ayaka: never trust commands you see from strangers without understanding what it is doing
08:28<mjt>ayaka: again, i'm not mjk i'm mjt
08:28<ayaka>mjk, I'm sorry
08:29<mjt>lol
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08:29<Black_Prince>tab completion fail.
08:29<mjt>sfdisk is always installed
08:29<mjt>but you need to use sudo for it
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08:30<sylar>if I have a 64bit kernel, and 32 bit other stuff, do i need a 64bit printer driver?
08:30<ayaka>mjk, I don't enable sudo
08:30<Black_Prince>use su or whatever.
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08:31<mjt>ayaka: can you please *finally* stop poking mjk?
08:32*Black_Prince giggles
08:32<ayaka>mjk, mjt I'm very sorry about that
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08:32<Black_Prince>ayaka: it isn't hard to type 3 letters instead of typing two and hitting tab. :P
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08:33<ayaka>I saw this :Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary.
08:33<ayaka>http://pastebin.com/jBiuzgBi
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08:33<Guest459>i'm sorry but can anyone tell me what this "chat" is for???
08:34<Guest459>is it a gamer thing?
08:34<jm_>Guest459: did you read the topic
08:34<Black_Prince>Guest459: It is for Debian Operating System support.
08:34<Black_Prince>(And Debian can be sometimes fun as some games are)
08:34<Guest459>thank you sir :)
08:34<mjt>ayaka: um, what a mess :(
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08:36<mjt>ayaka: so from there, sda1 and sda5 are misaligned
08:36<ayaka>mjt, yes ,but where is the number should be each address is dividable by 8.
08:36<mjt>ayaka: the rest are ok
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08:38<mjt>ayaka: the "start=" is the beginning of each partition. they should be n*8, since each physical (4kb) sector has 8 logical (512b) sectors
08:39<mjt>ayaka: except of the extended partition (type=f), for which alignment does not really matter
08:41<mjt>heh. so i guess win created sda2 (starting at 307200) as _first_ partition, and later linux created misaligned sda1 _before_ that sda2 :)
08:41<mjt>/dev/sda1 : start= 63, size= 307137, Id=83, bootable
08:41<mjt>/dev/sda2 : start= 307200, size=145627136, Id= 7
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08:42<mjt>or maybe not, it is about 150Mb, win aligns to 1Mb
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08:44<ayaka>mjk, ok it woudn't cuase problem recently?my disk is full,and I can't get a new one recently
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08:45<ayaka>mjk, I'm sorry
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08:45<ayaka>mjt, ok it woudn't cuase problem recently?my disk is full,and I can't get a new one recently
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08:46<mjt>the only problems it causes is speed
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08:54<ayaka>mjt, I can't change it recentlty(but it without dangerous,I can),but I don't what cause it
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08:58<ayaka>Black_Prince, jm_ mjt thank you
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08:59<ayaka>Black_Prince, as you know,I don't know english name's meaning,so even 3 word is a problem
09:00<sylar>would installing a 32bit driver on a 64bit kernel work?
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09:01<mjt>sylar: if you're talking about _kernel_ driver, the answer is definitely "no", you need not only exact bitness (32 vs 64) but also, for most parts, exact version of the compiler, and exact kernel configuration
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09:01<sylar>mjt: is printer driver = kernel driver?
09:02<mjt>i don't know what a printer driver is
09:02<ayaka>mjt, in some sulution,dkms can help it a little?
09:02<babilen>sylar: No, you typically provide a suitable PPD for your printer via the CUPS admin interface (https://localhost:631)
09:03<babilen>sylar: Debian ships a plethora of printer drivers and good resources can be found on http://www.openprinting.org/printers
09:03<mjt>ayaka: if the talk is about 32-vs-64 bits, it usually means the driver is in binary, ie, already compiled form, -- and in that case dkms or module-assistant wont help
09:03<sylar>babilen: i tried that, but it didn't work, and the support people say that the printer doesn't support postscript, just UFR
09:03<babilen>sylar: Which printer is it?
09:04<sylar>babilen: canon ir2270
09:04<mjt>lots of printers are supported using (modified) ghostscript
09:05<ayaka>mjt, I see,I don't notice it's difference in enlgish before
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09:05<babilen>sylar: That is one of the larger ones isn't it? Let me check -- I *am* using a Canon IR at the moment (not sure which one exactly) without problems. It was a pain to find a suitable PPD though. One moment, I'll check.
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09:06<babilen>sylar: Ok, we use (among others) a Canon IRC3080i here and it is working perfectly -- Lets see if I can find some IRC 2270 specific information
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09:08<sylar>babilen: cups has a driver for it, but it doesn't work, and the support dude said that it don't have postscript
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09:09<mjt>sylar: cups works not only with PS printers
09:09<babilen>sylar: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Canon/Canon-imageRunner_2270 recommends pxlmono which is in the ghostscript-cups package. Did you try that one?
09:09<sylar>does it work with UFR?
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09:10<babilen>sylar: Note that I have no personal experience with that driver and merely point out relevant documentation -- Did you try that driver and what are the results?
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09:10<sylar>I think I tried both, but I am not sure, going to try again
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09:11<babilen>sylar: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/cupsdocumentation (cups specific documentation)
09:12<babilen>sylar: Ah, no that is not good. Just make sure you have ghostscript-cups installed, go to CUPS admin interface and add the new driver. Select the pxlmono PPD/driver and try printing a test page.
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09:13<sylar>babilen: I had ghostscript-cups already installed
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09:13<babilen>sylar: Also see http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010096.asp (but we cannot support that)
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09:14<sylar>babilen: that what raised the question, if I need the 32 or 64bit driver
09:14<sylar>babilen: btw, they have only rpm driver for 64bbt
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09:15<sylar>but I saw a howto on converting rpm to deb
09:15<babilen>sylar: You would need whatever is appropriate for your system
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09:16<mjt>if it is a stand-alone app instead of a library, either 32 or 64 should work
09:16<mjt>if it is a library/plugin (loadable object) it should be of the same bitness at least as the process you're loading it into
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09:17<ayaka>in http://linux.vbird.org/linux_server/0600cluster.php I saw a way instead ssh+vpn to use remote X session,but it's for redhat,is it can work for debian?
09:17<babilen>sylar: They provide 64bit .debs for CQue and sources for cndrcups -- But try pxlmono first. I'll investigate cndrvcups in the meanwhile. OK?
09:17<sylar>k
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09:18<sylar>babilen: seem like I was using foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) driver
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09:19<babilen>sylar: Their Debian packages are, well, pretty outdated, but lets see if I can beat it into submission
09:19<babilen>sylar: And that one isn't working at all or just produces suboptimal results?
09:20<sylar>babilen: in debian everything looks ok, but the printer doesn't print anything
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09:20<babilen>sylar: marvellous -- I guess buying a different printer is out of the question?
09:21<sylar>babilen: I'll suggest it to my bos
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09:23<sylar>babilen: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100270808.html&sa=U&ei=QBAgT5vYIpamsgaEuIynDA&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNH3swscbHRMNkXNavs7_IxwB2pEqA
09:23<sylar>babilen: I found that driver version 2.4, also no 64bit debs
09:23<sylar>babilen: but release date is dec 2011
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09:25<babilen>sylar: I am currently trying to compile cndrvcups-common-2.20
09:25<babilen>sylar: I'll take a look at that driver afterwards
09:26<sylar>k
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09:27<babilen>sylar: Well, their Debian packaging is severely b0rken and I will not spend more time on getting it to compile. Lets see what the other driver is about.
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09:28<babilen>sylar: Ah, their uplink seems to be quite slow and it'll be another 15 minutes for the download. I'll ping you. But honestly: if you plan to run this printer on CUPS for the company I would investigate other models/manufacturers
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09:29<daenney>hmm, there seems to be a problem with the Sid repositories... I've know run into three mirrors that each have a different set of the icinga packages available...
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09:29<sylar>k
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09:30<valdyn>daenney: sid is updating every day, sure there is bound to be mirrors that are a little off
09:30<babilen>sylar: That doesn't mean that configuring the ir2270 is not possible, but I can't really find better resources on how to get it to work. I figure that it *is* possible somehow, but non-ps/pcl printers are a pain in the arse.
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09:31<daenney>valdyn: not a little off in this case
09:31<valdyn>judd: versions icinga
09:31<themill>daenney: /msg dpkg mirror status; which specific mirrors are you talking about?
09:31<judd>Package: icinga on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.2-2; lenny-backports-sloppy: 1.5.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 1.6.1-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.6.1-2; wheezy: 1.6.1-2
09:32<valdyn>daenney: my mirror is there ^^
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09:32<daenney>valdyn: what do you get for icinga-phpapi
09:32<valdyn>( or was yesterdey even, updating right now )
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09:32<daenney>judd: versions icinga-phpapi
09:32<judd>Package: icinga-phpapi on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.2-2; lenny-backports-sloppy: 1.5.1-1~bpo50+1
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09:32<valdyn>daenney: that package is not in sid at all
09:33<daenney>valdyn: according to packages.debian.org it is
09:33<daenney>Package icinga-phpapi
09:33<daenney>sid (unstable) (net): host and network monitoring system - PHP API
09:33<daenney>1.3.0-1: all
09:34<daenney>afaik that one should be up to 1.6 already, in line with the other packages, I've found it on some mirrors at different versions between 1.0.2 and 1.5.0
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09:35<valdyn>daenney: maybe you looked wrongly or you really found broken mirrors
09:35<daenney>valdyn: I'm not looking wrongly, I've got packages.debian right now open in front of me in my browser
09:36<daenney>here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=icinga&searchon=names&suite=sid§ion=all
09:36<themill>I suspect icinga-phpapi is a remnant of a removed package that is still kicking around
09:36<valdyn>daenney: no, i meant maybe you looked wrongly on your mirros, I can see the same as you in p.d.o
09:36<daenney>valdyn: aah :)
09:37<daenney>themill: that could be... I do wonder where it's gone then...
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09:37<themill>the changelog talks about this, actually
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09:38<daenney>the changelogs give me 404's :-|
09:38<themill>not if you go via the package tracking page
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09:39<babilen>sylar: Most information I can find suggests installing cndrvcups - But it will *not* compile out-of-the box. That is, on one hand, related to them not declaring the build-dependencies correctly (I had to install autoconf libtool libgtk2.0-dev libglade2-dev libcups2-dev in addition to build-essential), but also seems to be broken. They use severely outdated helper tools and the packaging needs some serious love/work.
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09:39<daenney>I can never find anything at qa.
09:40<daenney>ah, there we go
09:40<mjt>babilen: is the license free? :)
09:40<babilen>sylar: I might have some spare time soonish to actually work on this, but it is (unfortunately) outside the scope of what I am willing to do now. How old is this printer? When has it been bought? What will it be used for?
09:42<babilen>mjt: It seems to be GPL + some canon specifics. IANAL and will not read the complete license as I kinda dislike legalese
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09:42<babilen>s/GPL/GPL2
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09:42<mjt>i mean maybe it is a good idea to ping them and include this stuff into debian officially
09:43<mjt>that'd be nice marketing - "first printer officially supported in linux" :)
09:44<babilen>mjt: I doubt that sup-debian@list.canon.co.jp is very active, but you never know
09:44<babilen>sylar: You might want to write ^^^ as well.
09:44<sylar>babilen: it is actually quite new. I don't understand how such a network printer/scanner don't have postscript
09:44<babilen>sylar: yeah, absolutely
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09:45<sylar>babilen: maybe I the boss could make the seller replace it
09:46<babilen>sylar: You might be able to return it and exchange it for something that is a little better supported. I would seriously consider this if this scanner will be used via CUPS in even remotely professional environments -- This looks like something that will cause constant pain and is IMHO not worth it.
09:46<ayaka>where could get some info about load balance?
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09:47<sylar>ayaka: #linux-ha at freenode
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09:48<babilen>sylar: Sorry, would have loved to be all: "Yeah, sure! Download foo-bar-magic.tar.gz, install quux-dev and build-essential, unpack the source ...", but meh
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09:48<ayaka>sylar, thank you
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09:51<sylar>babilen: I think, maybe make some windows machine be the server for it, and forward from cups to that windows
09:51<babilen>sylar: I'll try 2.40 once more, but I don't have high expectations
09:51<babilen>sylar: That would be an option :-/
09:51<babilen>sylar: Did you buy that device?
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09:51<sylar>babilen: my boss got it, I don't know exactly the story, I am trying to find out, but he is on the phone :/
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09:53<Andyloz>hola
09:54<canabix>&quit
09:54<Andyloz>hla
09:54<Andyloz>qwerty
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10:17<sylar>babilen: appearently it is a temporary replacement for a broken printer, from a seller from which we would buy the next printer
10:17<babilen>sylar: *phew*
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10:35<t3t>rrrrrrrrrrooooarrrrr HELLLO!!!!!
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10:35<ayaka>t3t, what's up?
10:35<t3t>nothin special
10:35<t3t>YOU
10:35<t3t>??
10:35<t3t>:)
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10:36<daemonkeeper>Notice, this is not a social chat.
10:36<t3t>hahahahah
10:36<t3t>:)
10:36<ayaka>t3t, here is support channel of debian,social chat. in offtopic
10:36<daemonkeeper>Please stay on topic by asking technical support questions related to Debian.
10:36<t3t>this is just heloooo
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10:37<ayaka>!stop t3t
10:37<t3t>ok
10:37<ayaka>why dpkg don't work,in my memories dpkg has this function?
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10:38<ayaka>so stranger #linux-ha in freenode become only 3 at a second,it it a really place to talk load balanced?
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10:42<harry>hello guys, my system only detect single core of CPU instead of 4 (dual core+double thread). i'm using kernel 3.1.0-1-686-pae on debian wheezy. my CPU model Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz. can anyone help please?
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10:43<smhar>I have 2 users in my gnome in debian testing. after 2 days uptime, the sound in one of this is 'lost'. all videos sound funny like a robot. while the other user has the sound still working fine.
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10:46<babilen>harry: Could you paste the output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" along with "uname -a" to http://paste.debian.net please? Please also note that we have a testing/unstable specific channel (#debian-next)
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10:46<jhutchins_lt>smhar: Are these users trying to access audio simultaneously? When you say "after 2 days uptime" do you mean the user has been logged in for 2 days or that the system has been up for 2 days.
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10:47<psp>hi
10:48<psp>quit
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10:50<harry>thanks babilen here's the pastebin http://paste.debian.net/153610/
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10:51<bighornram>I am doing an install to a laptop and want to setup LVM. The disk is partitioned in half with one side containing an ext4 format with backup data. Guided partitioning wants to use the whole disk to LVM so I would lose my existing backup data. I'm at partition disks part of setup. Free Space is 160 GB. How do I partition the remaining free space for an LVM system?
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10:53<babilen>harry: That is indeed strange -- Could you try an amd64 kernel?
10:53<ayaka>bighornram, just clikk the free place you want
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10:55<harry>babilen, i will try. see how it goes.
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11:03<helo>is freenode down?
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11:04<babilen>helo: not at all - but you can also ask Debian related questions here in the official channel.
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11:04<ayaka>could iceweasel add google.com.hk as a serach tool,google.com cann't work in china
11:05<harry>babilen, still not recognize. only single CPU in 64 bit kernel.
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11:06<jhutchins_lt>Freenode is having some problems this morning.
11:06<babilen>harry: Hmm, and you did not disable it in the BIOS or anything?
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11:07<helo>freenode: piracy target eliminated
11:07<apoleon>ayaka: there is a plugin for firefox/iceweasel which is called add to search bar, maybe you find it useful https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/add-to-search-bar/
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11:08<ayaka>apoleon, I don't know how to say it the one in right of the address text
11:08<harry>babilen, no, i didn't do anything in bios. my LMDE 32 bit on another partition works just fine using the same kernel.
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11:09<ayaka>harry, I know the problem
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11:09<apoleon>ayaka: yes, that's the search bar, you can define custom search engines with this specific addon
11:09<ayaka>harry, it's save energy or disable some core
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11:10<ayaka>apoleon, thank you
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11:10<babilen>harry: Hmm, OK. I am running sid on i7 just fine and never experienced something like this with 3.* kernels. Lets see if I can find something related.
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11:10<harry>ayaka, i don't get it, is there a solution?
11:10<ayaka>babilen, you don't open energy saving ,do you
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11:11<harry>babilen, thanks. i will do more research.
11:11<ayaka>harry, is there a solution? means is it possbile?
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11:13<bighornram>I've created partitions /, /boot, /home, /var, /usr, /tmp, and /swap. In LVM I made a new volume group, Adding /home, /var, /usr, and /. Is this the correct way to do this?
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11:14<jhutchins_lt>Freenode should be working better now, nickserv is back.
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11:21<bighornram>back at partition disks window. the partitons I've added to my LVM group are listed as lvm but without mount points. Is this correct?
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11:27<ayaka>using postfix,have to insert postfix's datebase table(use mysql or postgresql) in youself,don't you?
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11:27<ansgar>ayaka: ?
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11:29<ayaka>ansgar, like account setting,it won't create a base database table like phpbb installer do,doesn't it?
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11:56<sylar>iceweasel is forwarding me to wikipidia istead of google
11:56<sylar>anyone know how to fix that?
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11:57<sylar>I want to always get to google. ps epiphany doesn't exhibit the same behaviour
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11:57<ayaka>sylar, could you said more detail
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11:58<Teresa>o.o
11:58<Teresa>hay alguien?
11:58<Teresa>xD
11:58<vrkalak>!es
11:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:58<sylar>ayaka: e.g. if I write calcium in the address bar, and get wikipedia calcium page
11:59<Teresa>hi :3
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11:59<ayaka>sylar, I'm sorry,I don't know
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12:00<Teresa>hiiiii
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12:00<babilen>!es-social Teresa
12:00<dpkg>Teresa: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:17<jolki12>Polska! Jesteś?
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12:19<jolki12>Is anyone from Poland?
12:19<ayaka>jolki12, which your language?
12:19<themill>!pl
12:19<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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12:19<jolki12>thanks!
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12:25<jolki12>Hi! I'm Polish user Ubuntu and I would like to change distribution. I think that I start use Debian becouse it's better 4 programers. I have problem becouse I don't know that amd64 work well. One year before I felt that i386 work better! Which one do you prefer?
12:26<jolki12>I have Pentium Dual-Core.
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12:26<ayaka>jolki12, how much your memory?
12:26<jolki12>4GB only
12:27<ayaka>jolki12, could you tell me more detail about your cpu?
12:27<jolki12>and 1GB on graph card
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12:28<jolki12>It's Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz × 2
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12:29<ayaka>jolki12, ok,linux amd64 is a choiceI think
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12:29<jolki12>Thanks dude! If I could know which one you use?
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12:30<ayaka>jolki12, amd64,becuase I have 6GB ram
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12:31<jolki12>ayaka, thanks and bye!
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12:32<ayaka>jolki12, you're welcome
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12:39<ayaka>gnome3's lib is gtk2+ or gtk3+?
12:39<francesco>!list
12:39<dpkg>francesco: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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12:44<amphi>ayaka: gtk3, I would imagine
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12:45<ayaka>amphi, I'm sorry,you could say it in another way?
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12:49<amphi>ayaka: gtk3
12:49<ayaka>amphi, you means gnome3's lib is gtk3?
12:49<gruetzkopf>!list
12:49<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
12:49<amphi>ayaka: yes
12:50<ayaka>another problem?debian squeeze ,but I still see gtk2+ and gnome2's package,what are them used for?
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12:51<amphi>gtk3 isn't in squeeze, is it?
12:51<babilen>no
12:51<babilen>Or rather: correct :)
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12:53<amphi>aye, english is broken WRT answering negative questions
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13:10<ayaka>but I see gdm3,what is it?
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13:11<babilen>ayaka: It's just a new version of gdm and not directly related to GTK3 (at least in squeeze)
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13:11<dariebi>hello all, can somebody tell me how i can deinstall kubuntu-desktop
13:11<bimbim>dariebi: apt-get remove
13:12<retrospectacus>!kubuntu
13:12<dpkg>i heard kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
13:12<dariebi>ok, thank you very much. oh and sorry for wrong channel
13:12<ayaka>babilen, that cofuse my,I know gdm is session,comiz is windows,but I don't understand they relation
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13:16<babilen>ayaka: The login manager itself uses a widget toolkit such as GTK or QT or .... gdm traditionally uses gtk and kdm qt (I guess, haven't checked) but gdm3 does not use gtk3 in all versions.
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13:17<ayaka>babilen, you said compiz is responsibilty of desktop and windos,but onetime I remove gnome2-session,desktoy don't show,what is their relation?
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13:22<ayaka>amineF, babilen thank you
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13:53<shaun_>anyone here use NIC bonding? am having a problem with it. in that i run it in failover mode (active-backup) and it doesn't work.
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14:05<degli>shaun_: use any script?
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14:06<shaun_>degli: just done it the way specified in wiki.debian.org/Debian. The bonding 'appears' to be working. it even says link down switching to eth1. but i lose my connection
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14:18<scientes>does multiarch support upgrades from armel to armhf yet?
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14:20<daemonkeeper>scientes: No.
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14:22<scientes>(or i386 to amd64 for that matter)
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14:23<daemonkeeper>Still no :>
14:24<scientes>is there a target date for that?
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14:26<daemonkeeper>Multiarch is more or less working (FSVO), but I do not think anyone seriously worked on crossgrade support.
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14:31<rayKwebster>Anyone familuar with nagiosgrapher? I have nagios and nagiosgrapher working. old ngraph names do not get removed from the dropdown box on the webpage. does anyone know where that info is stored so I could edit and remove old ngraph names?
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14:33<scientes>daemonkeeper, is there any plans to support non-ABI-compat arch-switches?
14:34<scientes>like i386-->armhf
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14:34<scientes>(obviously not in place)
14:34<daemonkeeper>i386 can't ever work. Well this Intel Atom thing would make it possible, but I guess that alone is not reason enough for anyone to work that.
14:34<daemonkeeper>*i383->armhf
14:35<daemonkeeper>i386->amd64 and armel->armhf, possibly.
14:35<scientes>well, amd64->armhf
14:35<daemonkeeper>Or s390->s390x
14:36<scientes>guess you just have to copy /etc 's
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14:37<daemonkeeper>If you do it offline and manually: Chances are. On a running system that's a really complicated problem.
14:37<scientes>yes, offline
14:38<daemonkeeper>Also note, you most likely would have problems with $HOME. Programs tend to put binary or even endianess-dependent stuff in there.
14:38<scientes>that would even cause problems for x86/x86_64 compat
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14:39<scientes>but thx for the heads up
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14:40<abe>hola
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15:43<scientes>how do i change all files with 755 to 644?
15:43<scientes>recursively?
15:43-!-jkf [~Greg_od@79.140.9.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:43<scientes>without screwing up x or directories
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15:44<scientes>*x on directories
15:44<Black_Prince>All files in certain folder?
15:44<scientes>yes, recursively
15:44<technologov>chmod -Rvf 644 /myfolder/
15:44<Black_Prince>I guess find /path/to/folder -type f -exec chmod 644 '{}' ';'
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15:45<sylar>iceweasel is forwarding me to wikipidia istead of google, can anyone help resolve this?
15:45<Black_Prince>sylar: define forwarding
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15:45<scientes>technologov, that screwed me up
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15:46<scientes>I did chmod -Rvf 644 .
15:46<Black_Prince>scientes: My command was working one.
15:46<sylar>Black_Prince: I write something in the address bar and wikipedia shows up
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15:46<scientes>and i had to cd .. out
15:47<Black_Prince>sylar: you set wikipedia to your search engine?
15:47<sylar>Black_Prince: I don't think i did
15:48<sylar>Black_Prince: this behaviour also occur at user which I deleted their .mozilla directory
15:49<Black_Prince>mmm strange.
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15:49<scientes>diff --git a/public/dispatch.rb b/public/dispatch.rb
15:49<scientes>old mode 100755
15:49<scientes>new mode 100644
15:49<scientes>oh wait
15:49<scientes>ok thx your command did work
15:50<scientes>is there a reverse command Black_Prince ?
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15:51<Black_Prince>scientes: for what?
15:51<scientes>644->755
15:51<Black_Prince>same ... just change 644 to 755
15:52<yetr2>W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
15:52<yetr2>not recieving updates, makes me sad
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15:54<Xdept>gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --export \
15:54<Xdept> | gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring trustedkeys.gpg --import
15:54<Black_Prince>yetr2: dpkg -l | grep debian-archive-keyring
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15:54<yetr2>ii debian-archive-keyring 2010.08.28 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
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15:58<yetr2>Xdept's solution does not correct the issue
15:58<Xdept>Okay, It was just an Idea
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16:00<Black_Prince>It's rather mirror problem.
16:00<Black_Prince>I don't know if security.debian.org uses geodns service.
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16:38<kalujny>Hey guise!
16:39<kalujny>Need a bit of help with installing from usb stick here.
16:39<kalujny>Long story short, people advised me to use hd-media build and appropriate "firmware" netinst .iso
16:40<kalujny>i tried that, and it works on random PC at work, but at home it fails to find .iso to install from
16:40<Black_Prince>tadam ...
16:40<kalujny>switching to a console during install and trying to mount what supposedly is my stick with .iso fails with "invalid argument"
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16:40<kalujny>yeah hello back
16:41<Black_Prince>What was wrong with "dd to usb" ?
16:41<kalujny>2 things
16:41<kalujny>first and foremost when i dd usual .iso to usb, it fails to "detect and mount cdrom" early during install
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16:42<kalujny>also my ethernet adapter needs special firmware
16:42<Black_Prince>firmware is smallest problem
16:42<kalujny>yeh
16:42<Black_Prince>It can also be installed afterwards
16:42<Black_Prince>Your problem is more like "cannot mount cd rom"
16:43<kalujny>yes, i dont have one :D
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16:43<kalujny>hence installing from the stick
16:43<Black_Prince>Well, if you dd iso to a stick, it is same as you put cd into cd drive. USB drive will have cd file system. (iso9660)
16:43<kalujny>i`m pretty close to giving up and borrowing external dvdrw from work :D
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16:44<kalujny>i`m not sure
16:44<Black_Prince>Just your "cd drive" will be recognised as, lets say /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sr1 or so ...
16:44<Black_Prince>I use such setup, it works always.
16:44<kalujny>hmm
16:44<Black_Prince>Regarding "invalid argument" ... Describe how do you setup hd media?
16:45<kalujny>but when i open console during setup and ls, / doesnt seem to contain anything like pool, etc
16:45<Black_Prince>that is only ram file system ... not cd drive.
16:45<kalujny>right
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16:45<Black_Prince>you can try "mount /dev/sdb1 /cdrom -t iso9660" anyways ...
16:45<Black_Prince>But first I'd like to know how do you setup hd media kernel.
16:46<kalujny>i prepared my hd media stick using zcat with bzimage from appropriate image
16:46<kalujny>and then just copied firmware .iso to the root of it
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16:46<Black_Prince>It booted?
16:46<kalujny>on a separate pc with debian
16:46<kalujny>yes
16:46<kalujny>it jsut cant find the .iso now :(
16:46<Black_Prince>And what happened then?
16:46<kalujny>it went on to look for .iso and in the end it said it couldnt find one
16:46<kalujny>or its broken, ( which it is not )
16:47<Black_Prince>Which filesystem did you put on partition you added your iso to?
16:47<kalujny>i figure its fat32
16:47<kalujny>it was there after zcat
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16:48<kalujny>tried both mount -t vfat /dev/sde1 /mnt/usb
16:48<kalujny>and mount /dev/sde1 /mnt/usb
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16:48<kalujny>usb dir was created
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16:48<Black_Prince>Can you access any linux distro at the moment?
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16:48<kalujny>yeh i could
16:49<Black_Prince>I'd just like to see fdisk -l output with usb drive plugged in.
16:49<kalujny>sure
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16:49<kalujny>be right back, might take me a bit of time to write it down :D
16:49<Black_Prince>wait ...
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16:49<kalujny>sure, what is it?
16:49<Black_Prince>I still don't get it what went wrong with cat stuff.
16:49<kalujny>i think nothing
16:49<Black_Prince>How did you even write iso with dd ? Please describe
16:50<kalujny>wait
16:50<kalujny>i didnt
16:50<Black_Prince>Meh ... I keep telling that is best and easiest way.
16:50<vova>Guys, I have a question. Im trying to copy 1:1 my harddrive with dd, partition type is GPT. The problem is that everytime I land with fsck reporting bad journal or other errors. Source disk passes tests fine, but not destination disk. Smartctl says both disks are fine, short tests pass. Whats the problem?..
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16:52<Black_Prince>kalujny: Lets say that your usb drive is /dev/sdb with partition /dev/sdb1 ... You have your debian iso in /foo directory. Right way to write iso to a usb stick is " dd if=/foo/iso of=/dev/sdb "
16:52<Black_Prince>It's /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1 ... Be warned, everything will be erased from usb, even the partition table.
16:53<kalujny>Black_Prince, last time i followed "4.3.2. Manually copying files to the USB stick" here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
16:53<kalujny>i think i tried that exactly .. landed with error "detect and mount cdrom"
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16:53<kalujny>i can try again just to make sure
16:53<Black_Prince>kalujny: I'd like you to try this one this time.
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16:54<kalujny>so, just grab an .iso i want ( say cd1 amd64 ), dd it to stick using dd if=<pathto.iso> of /dev/sdX where X is my stick
16:54<kalujny>boot and be happy?
16:55<Black_Prince>yes
16:55<kalujny>off i go!
16:55<kalujny>well need to download first :D
16:56<Black_Prince>do you have firmware iso?
16:56<kalujny>yeah i have it
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16:56<Black_Prince>you can also try to use it :)
16:56<kalujny>179 mb, its netinst + firmwares
16:56<kalujny>sure
16:56<kalujny>brb
16:57<Black_Prince>report back. I'll be somewhere around for next few hours
16:57<kalujny>sure.
16:57<kalujny>thanks a ton for babysitting me lol
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16:57<Black_Prince>Testing gcc suite is pita ... It takes hours to complete
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17:02<vova>no one with GPT drives and done backup? I cannot dd them :/
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17:09<kalujny>Black_Prince, i tried that now
17:09<Black_Prince>And?
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17:10<kalujny>it fails to bood, when i select usb as boot device, it outputs "ISOLINUX blabla EHDD blabla by Peter Anvin et al" and hangs
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17:10<Black_Prince>meh
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17:10<kalujny>something to do with my MB ?
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17:10<Black_Prince>maybe
17:10<kalujny>i can try DDing different iso
17:11<kalujny>see if anything will be different
17:11<kalujny>i guess it wont though
17:11<Black_Prince>You can .. There may be possibility that iso wasn't dl'ed correctly, or it's broken. ... Try official netinst or whatever.
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17:12<kalujny>yeh i`ll do that
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17:12<kalujny>btw i have hdd with linux installed on it
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17:12<Black_Prince>argh
17:12<kalujny>can i "install" on a different hdd from booted linux?
17:12<Black_Prince>I think I accidentaly deleted everything from /dev ... stupid me
17:12<kalujny>hah
17:12<kalujny>reboot time?
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17:13<Black_Prince>Nah, I am downloading something
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17:13<kalujny>wonder if you can repopulate /dev
17:13<lp>the hybrid iso images don't work on all systems, it depends on BIOS support - they don't work on my Asus EeePC 1005PE with latest BIOS, despite what the debian wiki claims
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17:14<kalujny>lp, HD media ones are supposed to work though ?
17:14<Black_Prince>I'll try to restart udev.
17:15<lp>kalujny: indeed, i followed the manual steps from the manual and it worked
17:15<Black_Prince>Yup, works like a charm.
17:15<lp>kalujny: so, zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda, then mounted and copied netinst manually there - it works just fine
17:16<kalujny>lp, been there
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17:16<kalujny>hd media fails to find .iso
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17:16<kalujny>btw it does it only on my box
17:16<kalujny>at work it works liek a charm
17:16<lp>but the info in the debian wiki needs to be changed, it claims it works in the model-specific page for this model
17:17<chealer>lp: where is that claim?
17:17<lp>yes, i think it works with most new BIOSes
17:18<kalujny>i have recent MB with latest bios
17:18<kalujny>should work
17:18<kalujny>ASRock Z68
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17:18<kalujny>anyway i`m getting hd media build again and trying it out for lulz
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17:18<SynrG>lp: i find that surprising. 1001px is not so very different from 1005pe and hybrid images work fine with that
17:19<SynrG>lp: and you're the first 1005pe owner to tell me it doesn't
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17:19<kalujny>brb
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17:19<kalujny>btw what is gtk folder in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ ?
17:19<lp>chealer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005P (it has just a link to the stadtrd installer for squeeze, which gives just the hybrid method, which doesn't work)
17:20<SynrG>kalujny: coming in late on this. which iso did you copy?
17:20<kalujny>firmware netinst one
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17:20<kalujny>my ethernet needs special firmware
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17:21<lp>SynrG: sorry, didn't figure out how to contact anybody - i have the latest BIOS from asus
17:21<SynrG>lp: there is a debian-eeepc mailing list
17:21<SynrG>lp: also #debian-eeepc irc channel
17:22*lp blushes
17:22<lp>only DDs can change the wiki, right?
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17:22<SynrG>the list is debian-eeepc-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org as indicated in the wiki
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17:22<retrospectacus>anyone can, lp
17:22<SynrG>no, anyone can change the wiki
17:23<lp>it says "immutable page" on top...
17:23<SynrG>please do not, on the basis of a single counterexample, say that something works that others claim works. but feel free to revise the page to add your info
17:23<SynrG>s/say that something works/say that something doesn't work/
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17:24<SynrG>lp: it's immutable because you're anonymous
17:24<chealer>lp: that is contextual to you not being logged in
17:24<SynrG>not because your a non-DD
17:24<lp>oh, dang
17:24<SynrG>s/your/you're/
17:24<fwiss>All right, my laptop (thinkpad e420) has a 1366x768 resolution, but both Debian and Arch are giving me 1024x768 resolution, with no option to switch up. I updated the xserver-xorg-video-intel package; what do?
17:25<kalujny>might need specific driver for your video adapter
17:26<kalujny>is it HD 3000 or similar?
17:26<fwiss>I think it's integrated into the CPU
17:26<fwiss>Yes
17:26<kalujny>i`m in the same boat
17:26<fwiss>Well, either HD Graphics 3000
17:26<fwiss>or just HD Graphics, which I guess are different?
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17:26<kalujny>think its the same
17:26<lp>SynrG: so you mean it works on other 1005PEs, just not on mine? I wiped the "quick linux" partition, but left the EFI partition in place - it doesn't recognize the USB stick as bootable media (not sure about older BIOSes)
17:27<kalujny>i think we need special driver, but i dont know details.
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17:27<lp>i'll ask in #debian-eeepc or on the mailing list
17:27<fwiss>Well, it worked on Linux Mint, and inductively probably Ubuntu. But I like Debian.
17:28<kalujny>!intel
17:28<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN adapters, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet controllers, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <isci>, <speedstep>.
17:28<kalujny>!intel-gfx
17:28<dpkg>[intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>, <nopointer>. http://x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ #intel-gfx on irc.freenode.net.
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17:28<SynrG>lp: when you say 'doesn't recognize', do you mean when you press 'esc' key at the ASUS splash screen it doesn't show up in the list of bootable devices?
17:28<fwiss>Well, I don't have any idea how to get the intellinuxgraphics.org drivers built anyway.
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17:29<SynrG>lp: yes, if you ask on the list you may get confirmation from some other 1005PE owner
17:29<lp>yes. when i go into bios setup, it even shows the dos filesystem label, when it recognizes it as bootable media, and nothing otherwise
17:29<kalujny>brb
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17:29<chealer>fwiss: which Debian suite do you use?
17:29<SynrG>lp: i'm not talking about BIOS setup
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17:30<SynrG>lp: the question is, what do you see when you press 'esc' at the splash screen? it should list all devices
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17:30<lp>i mean both… i meant that bios setup shows it explicitly… it's the same with Esc
17:30<SynrG>"the same" meaning it *is* listed when you press esc?
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17:31<lp>SynrG: it only lists the internal harddrive on Esc, if i just dd the hybrid iso
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17:31<SynrG>ah, hm. maybe a bad write? or did you try the resulting usb key on some other device and it booted fine?
17:31<lp>when i do the manual way with boot.img, both bios setup and Esc show the external usb stick as well
17:32<lp>my only other computer is a mac mini...
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17:32<lp>so i didn't try
17:32<jhutchins_lt>lp: Did you check the md5sum of the device?
17:32<SynrG>there are a couple of things that could go wrong, like having some filesystem on the key mounted when you do the dd, corrupting it, or not flushing all blocks to the key before pulling it out
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17:33<lp>i tried with more than one usb sticks, though… same thing with all: manual mode ok, hybrid not recognized
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17:33<lp>jhutchins: of course i did
17:33<jhutchins_lt>lp: You should probably read the eeepc pages and the install guide. They recommend using cat instead of dd to transfer the image.
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17:34<fwiss>@chealer
17:34<SynrG>cat, dd, i don't think it makes a difference
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17:34<fwiss>Squeezey
17:34<fwiss>*Squeeze
17:34<jhutchins_lt>lp: I couldn't get an Acer One to boot the Debian image, I eneded up using unetbootin from Linux, but some people have trouble with that too.
17:34<lp>jhutchins_lt: i tried with both… no difference; one is in the eeepc wiki, the other in the squeeze install manual
17:34<jhutchins_lt>SynrG: THeoretically.
17:34<chealer>fwiss: find out which GPU you use. alternatively, provide your X log.
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>!eeepc
17:35<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
17:35<Black_Prince>If you use squeeze and you have sandybridge processor, I'd suggest to update to xorg and kernel from backports
17:35<SynrG>wow, what a crufty old factoid. they haven't made linux models for years, afaik :p
17:36<lp>jhutchins_lt: acer one wouldn't boot with the boot.img way?
17:36<jhutchins_lt>lp: I didn't try boot.img.
17:36<jhutchins_lt>lp: I tried the netinst iso via cat and I tried it via unetbootin, the latter worked.
17:37<lp>SynrG: maybe, but it's one of the few portables 100% supported by linux, and you can't beat the price… :)
17:37<fwiss>chealer, please wait. I'm pretty sure the GPU IS in the CPU
17:37<SynrG>lp: yes. why do you think i started the debian-eeepc project? :)
17:38<fwiss>just an lspci will do?
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17:38<SynrG>lp: i'm fond of the eeepc. just noting that the factoid is not really giving much useful info re current models
17:38*lp bows to SynrG in gratitude
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17:38<fwiss>Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 9)
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17:39<fwiss>is what I got from my lspci
17:39<streuner_>use lspci -nn
17:39<streuner_>and tell us the pciid
17:39<SynrG>lp: e.g. atl2, atl1c factoids are mostly relevant to lenny
17:39<lp>SynrG: must be from the time they shipped them with SSDs
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17:40<fwiss>8086:0116
17:40<streuner_>SynrG: time to alter the factoid(s)
17:40<streuner_>judd, pciid 8086:0116
17:40<judd>[8086:0116] is '2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0116
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17:41<streuner_>fwiss, thats not the VGA chipset
17:41<michaelgreen>how do i attach a screenshot to here
17:41<lp>SynrG: btw, amd64 squeeze is much faster then i386 squeeze - lvm with full disk encryption needs just 5 hours instead of 9 hours for the random write
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17:42<fwiss>streuner_, could you elaborate?
17:42<KenonJr>Hola
17:43<streuner_>fwiss, look for "VGA" in the whole output...
17:44<fwiss>"VGA compatible"
17:44<fwiss>it says
17:44<SynrG>streuner_: when i think of something better to put there, i'll update it
17:44<michaelgreen>how do i share a screensshot here
17:45<fwiss>When I grep it, all I get is that one line
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17:45<SynrG>lp: interesting. i didn't think it would be that different
17:46<lp>!tell michaelgreen -about paste
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17:47<lp>SynrG: me neither, but it would be consistent with the 60% speed improvement on "real" processors, between 32 and 64-bit in CPU-bound tests
17:47<fwiss>I'm pretty sure I don't have i915, though
17:48<streuner_>surely intel
17:48<streuner_>it seems to me, all stuff is intel based there
17:48<fwiss>This seems to be a useful topic: http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?2440605-Intel+HD+3000+(Sandy+Bridge)+%2B+xorg%3F%3F%3F
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17:49<streuner_>(according to 8086)
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17:49<michaelgreen>file:///home/michaelgreen/Desktop/Screenshot.png
17:49<michaelgreen> does anybody know what os this is
17:50<SynrG>fwiss: my father has Sandy Bridge and couldn't use it with the Squeeze kernel. had to go with a backport. at that time, backports.debian.org didn't work for him. had to go with a third-party backport ... things may be better today, however. this was some months ago.
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17:50<streuner_>without IP? that would be hard in i-net :-P
17:51<streuner_>michaelgreen: just upload the file to imageshack.us
17:51<streuner_>and give us the URL, please.
17:51<lp>!paste
17:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
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17:52<michaelgreen>file:///home/michaelgreen/Desktop/Screenshot.png
17:52<fwiss>backports - how do I add them to sources.list? Replace squeeze with squeeze-backports?
17:52<michaelgreen>does anybody know what os that is
17:52<streuner_>no
17:52<michaelgreen>h squeeze-backports?
17:52<michaelgreen><michaelgreen> does anybody know what os tha
17:52<Black_Prince>dpkg: bdo xorg
17:52<dpkg>The backports.debian.org repository contains updated xorg components (in particular video drivers) for squeeze. Ask me about <bdo> to enable and use this repository. See http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html for information on the xorg backports.
17:53<michaelgreen>xubuntu
17:53<streuner_>michaelgreen: how many times we must tell you,just upload that file to a pic hoster
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17:54<streuner_>michaelgreen: you are here wrong then, /j #ubuntu on freenode
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17:57<Black_Prince>fwiss: ^
17:57<michaelgreen>http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/screenshotfm.png/
17:58<fwiss>Yes?
17:58<Black_Prince>fwiss: read dpkg's message just few minutes before.
17:59<fwiss>yup
17:59<michaelgreen>streuner, idisagree look at the screenshot http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/screenshotfm.png/
17:59<fwiss>read that, installed some of the backports
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17:59<Black_Prince>I'd recommend new kernel, too ...
17:59<Black_Prince>dpkg: bdo kernel
17:59<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` See also <bdo kernel lenny>
17:59<fwiss>it's telling me to upgrade to 2.6.34rc1 or newer
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18:00<fwiss>wait
18:00<Black_Prince>I have 2.6.39 from backports ... I think there are even newer versions there.
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18:02<jhutchins>,kernels
18:02<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.1-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-39squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
18:02<lp>michaelgreen: the screenshot is xubuntu, see http://xubuntu.org
18:02<babilen>We have a 3.1.?? in bdo
18:02<jhutchins>Black_Prince: They've been talking about backporting 3.
18:02<jhutchins>babilen: Just need to update judd I guess.
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18:03<retrospectacus>judd is out of date. see http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/kernel/
18:04<jw>is there a way to specify library search path per command execution?
18:04<michaelgreen>ok now i want to change my os to linux clould
18:04<retrospectacus>I only see 2.6.29 there though, no 3?
18:04<michaelgreen>* cloud
18:05<fwiss>I'm looking for linux-image, right?
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18:05<retrospectacus>michaelgreen: this channel is for debian support. Be quiet unless you have a debian question
18:05<fwiss>linux-image-2.6-amd64 ?
18:05<babilen>https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linux-2.6
18:05<jhutchins>retrospectacus: linux-image-3 not found.
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18:06<Black_Prince>fwiss: that's a metapackage ... But it can do right.
18:06<babilen>Should have been https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linux-2.6&suite=squeeze-backports
18:06<fwiss>just apt-get install it like the rest? I mean, the kernel's pretty important
18:07<streuner_>not for your X question
18:07<fwiss>Really? then how would I install a backports-compatible kernel?
18:08<kop>fwiss: The only difference between installing a kernel and anything else is that the kernel itself is treated as a config file so it does not go away until you purge it. That way you can upgrade from one kernel to the next. (And you can install kernels from bdo and main and have them both installed and configured.)
18:08<streuner_>we told you already -> <bpo>
18:08<Black_Prince>fwiss: pay attention
18:08<Black_Prince>dpkg: bdo kernel
18:08<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` See also <bdo kernel lenny>
18:08<Black_Prince>To install a package ... This is what you want.
18:08<lp>michaelgreen: if this is your first linux install, you could try ubuntu (xubuntu is a bit rough on the edges) or linux mint - this IRC channel is debian-specific, though
18:08<kop>fwiss: (Or see the verbose instructions on backports.debian.org.)
18:09<michaelgreen>can you give me tthe link
18:09<retrospectacus>google.com
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18:09*Black_Prince would prefer "lmgtfy" :D
18:09<fwiss>Well I didn't want to spam the IRC with my bpos
18:10<fwiss>msg judd bpo?
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18:10<retrospectacus>fwiss: dpkg, not judd
18:10<kop>~tell fwiss about msg the bot
18:10<Black_Prince>fwiss: why do you refuse to read message from dpkg untill the end. It tells you what to type in order to install backports kernel.
18:10<kop>!tell fwiss about msg the bot
18:11*Black_Prince gives kop a !
18:11<kop>*sigh*
18:11<fwiss>I thought I just had to read the message you made dpkg say.
18:11<fwiss>Oops.
18:11<Black_Prince>To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
18:11<Black_Prince>It's soooooooo hard to miss ...
18:11<Black_Prince>Lazy people ...
18:11<lp>michaelgreen: http://xubuntu.org/ for xubuntu (duh), http://www.ubuntu.com/download for Ubuntu or http://www.linuxmint.com/ for Mint
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18:12<kalujny>hey Black_Prince :)
18:12<kalujny>you will not believe how DUMB i was
18:12<Black_Prince>I'll try not to.
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18:13<kalujny>I tried 100 hundred and 1 way to install debian from USB
18:13<kalujny>not realizing i was using usb 3.0 port
18:13<kalujny>which *tada* requires drivers on its own
18:13<Black_Prince>*cough*
18:13<kalujny>plug the stick into usb 2.0 port and everything works
18:13<kalujny>ARGH!
18:14<retrospectacus>fair mistake
18:14<Black_Prince>Nice ... Could happen to anyone tough :)
18:14<kalujny>yeh lol
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18:14<kalujny>silly me
18:14<kalujny>off to install
18:14<kalujny>thanks guys!
18:14<Black_Prince>good luck
18:14<SynrG>cool
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18:15<SynrG>i mean, cool that you have a solution. not cool that it's that easy for the user to screw up in this fashion (poor design?)
18:15<fwiss>2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae is it then?
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18:15<kop>fwiss: Makes sense.
18:16<SynrG>not sure. might be the kernel that didn't work for us ... ymmv
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18:16*Black_Prince shrugs
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18:16<Black_Prince>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
18:16<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; sid: 2:2.17.0-1; wheezy: 2:2.17.0-1; experimental: 2:2.17.0+git20120115-1
18:16<fwiss>I have amd64, should I use 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-amd64 intead?
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18:16<SynrG>probably
18:16<Black_Prince>I think that 2.16.0 and 2.17.0 have far better sandybridge support than 2.15.0 and below.
18:17<Black_Prince>So that may be the reason why it didn't work.
18:17<SynrG>Black_Prince: the version of xorg wasn't the killer for my Dad, but the kernel
18:18<SynrG>i am hazy on details this much later, but ... i think we used backports.d.o for xorg and tried (and failed) with squeeze-backports kernel (probably 2.6.39 ...)
18:18<chealer>fwiss: if you wish
18:18<SynrG>we then used daniel's 3.0.0 artax-backports kernel (progress linux) and things were fine
18:18<lp>fwiss: morelikely linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 if you're on amd64
18:18<SynrG>this is obviously *not* a recommended solution, since it mixes non-debian components
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18:19<fwiss>alright, I'll install lp's suggestion.
18:19<Black_Prince>SynrG: well, 3.2 is getting ready for backports, you can replace artax one with backports one :)
18:19<SynrG>Black_Prince: yes, i'm waiting on that with bated breath ...
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18:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 487] by debhelper
18:20<themill>SynrG: looks like you need to kick murphy first
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18:20*SynrG dons some steel-toed boots
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18:27<fwiss>great, now do I restart my computer?
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18:29<lp>fwiss: if you installed a new kernel, of course you have to restart
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18:29<Black_Prince>Well, unless you know a way to switch inmediately to new installed kernel - yes
18:29<fwiss>If i come back, you'll know I lived.
18:30<fwiss>*it worked
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18:30<lp>Black_Prince: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksplice
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18:31<Black_Prince>There is new kexec feature in newer kernels, does the same.
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18:32<Black_Prince>kexec jump or whatever
18:32<fwiss>I'm alive! Correct resolution, now I'm back to wireless problems, but I never fixed those.
18:32<Black_Prince>fwiss: congrats. For wireless, post output of lspci -nn into pastebin.
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18:33<lp>Black_Prince: that just loads a new kernel, doesn't patch an existing kernel in memory while it's running
18:33<fwiss>Well wifi card seems to work, it just won't connect to my network. Haven't tried others, but the drivers are there and stuff.
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18:34<Black_Prince>fwiss: which wireless card?
18:35<fwiss>'connection failed, bad password' when using wicd
18:35<fwiss>but I know its a good password.
18:35*Black_Prince wonders why he even wastes his time here.
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18:36<retrospectacus>fwiss: if you can't follow simple instructions we are not going to continue trying to help you...
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18:37<fwiss>Oh, sorry then.
18:37<Black_Prince>fwiss: put your password between "" when using wicd.
18:37<lp>fwiss: i had this problem with dlink routers
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18:37<fwiss>I tried putting it between "", but not extensively.
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18:38<Black_Prince>have you tried nm or ifupdown?
18:38<lp>fwiss: if you're having one, check that it's set in b/g mode instead of the fancier modes
18:38<lp>fwiss: netgear too
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18:39<Black_Prince>fwiss: so are you going to post lspci -nn output so we may check if card requires firmware?
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18:40<fwiss>Yes, had to try out the "" thing again first
18:41<fwiss>8086:0084
18:41<fwiss>Centrino Wireless-N 1000
18:41<Black_Prince>judd: pciid 8086:0084
18:41<judd>[8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
18:41<Black_Prince>Do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed?
18:42<fwiss>Da
18:42<fwiss>Yeah.
18:42-!-michaelgreen [~michaelgr@d47-69-53-254.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #debian
18:43<fwiss>And by 'Da' I mean yes, not the informal 'duh.'
18:43<Black_Prince>which version? dpkg -l | grep firmware-iwlwifi ?
18:43<Black_Prince>Da means yes in my language.
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18:44<fwiss>Current version 0.28 + squeeze1
18:44<Black_Prince>and uname -r ?
18:45<fwiss>2.6.39-bpo.2-amd-64
18:45<fwiss>*2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64
18:45<Black_Prince>Well, I guess you will also want to install backported version of firmware.
18:46<Black_Prince>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports firmware-iwlwifi
18:47<fwiss>alright
18:48<fwiss>apt is saying I have the newest version when I type that in
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18:48<Black_Prince>judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi
18:48<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.34; sid/non-free: 0.35
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18:49<SynrG>perhaps you're missing non-free from backports.d.o?
18:49<Black_Prince>fwiss: I guess you haven't added " contrib non-free " to the backports line.
18:49<SynrG>check your sources.list
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18:49<fwiss>Yes, Black_Pince, on my way to fix it. At least I knew that'n
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18:50<fwiss>*rage
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18:50<fwiss>still says newest version
18:50<SynrG>after doing apt-get update?
18:50<fwiss>upDATE
18:51<SynrG>and install with -t squeeze-backports as we indicated above?
18:51<fwiss>Worked.
18:51<fwiss>I need to look over update vs upgrade
18:51<SynrG>update just refreshes your package lists
18:51<SynrG>upgrade installs new versions of things (if available)
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18:52<Black_Prince>Good. Now try reloading iwlagn ... " modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn " and check dmesg for any errors.
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18:52<fwiss>Though still no actual connection through wifi though
18:53<fwiss>It know the access point is there and the signal strength is the weird thing
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18:53<Black_Prince>I'd still recommend trying other method than wicd.
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18:54<Black_Prince>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager or http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant ... choose one.
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18:54<lp>fwiss: can you look in /var/log/messages after a connection attempt?
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18:56<fwiss>alright
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18:57<fwiss>got it, what should i look for?
18:57<lp>just do a tail -f /var/log/messages and try to connect from wicd
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18:58<lp>it should output quite a few lines, as opposed to wicd's single message - we might be able to figure it out
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18:59<fwiss>wlan0: link is not ready
18:59<fwiss>is what tail does say
18:59<lp>nothing else?
18:59<fwiss>else
19:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 480] by debhelper
19:00<fwiss>but that's the important thi- wow that sounds stupid.
19:00<fwiss>*that one line
19:00<lp>nothing else… no dhcp negociation?
19:01<kalujny>Hey guys, its me again with more silly questions :( Long story short it installed, but when i tried to boot it said missing operating system.
19:01<fwiss>an ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE)
19:01<kalujny>i have 2 primary partitions, sdd1 ntfs and sdd2 ext4 root partition
19:01<fwiss>no DHCP in sight on the terminal
19:02<kalujny>during install i made the ext4 root partition bootable
19:02<kalujny>if i change bootable flags so ntfs partition has one and ext4 doesnt - windows boots
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19:02<kalujny>i guess i need to install grub into mbr of /sdd
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19:02<kalujny>can someone throw me a link on where to read about it?
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19:03<Black_Prince>kalujny: you need to install grub into mbr of disk that is set to boot :)
19:03<retrospectacus>!tell kalujny about fixmbr
19:05<kalujny>!tell me about supergrub
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19:05<lp>kalujny: you can also make NTLDR boot your linux partition http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/ntldr.php
19:06<lp>kalujny: i last did this with windows 2000 - grub might be the better way...
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19:07<kalujny>whoa !tell me about <stuff> works wonders
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19:08<lp>fwiss: could you paste the log messages from tail somewhere?
19:08<michaelgreen>me ttoo
19:08<Black_Prince>dpkg: tell kalujny about selftell
19:09<fwiss>alright
19:09<kalujny>right
19:09<fwiss>wait
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19:09<fwiss>can I copy from urxvt
19:09<kalujny>Thanks!
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19:10<retrospectacus>fwiss: select text to copy. Press the mouse wheel (or both mouse buttons simultaneously if you have none) to paste
19:10<fwiss>wow!
19:10<lp>fwiss: sure, but not here - http://paste.debian.net
19:11<retrospectacus>yeah. One of my absolute favourite features of Linux
19:12<retrospectacus>and it is separate from the "normal" copy-paste buffer you're used to (Ctrl-C Ctrl-V)
19:12<fwiss>frick, wont work outside of the application itself
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19:13<retrospectacus>should work
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19:13<retrospectacus>some apps don't like it
19:14<fwiss>derp, here it is
19:14<fwiss>http://paste.debian.net/153668
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19:14<lp>pity - that's not very useful
19:15<lp>thw wifi card doesn't seem to work yet
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19:15<lp>did you reload the module with modprobe, as someone suggested earlier?
19:16<fwiss>yes
19:16*lp sigh
19:17*Black_Prince still recommends trying some other way than wicd.
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19:18<fwiss>iwconfig doesn't support WPA, though
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19:19<fwiss>wait, wasn't there a WPA wrapper?
19:19<fwiss>Not that I know what a wrapper is.
19:19<dariebi>can somebody tell me a anti-vir software
19:19<Black_Prince>wpasupplicant.
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19:19<Black_Prince>ifupdown supports it very well. I linked to it.
19:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 471] by debhelper
19:20<Black_Prince>But as usual, you ignore everything someone says. And that is right way to NOT GETTING any help.
19:20<lp>fwiss: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
19:21<retrospectacus>dariebi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-tools.en.html#s8.8
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19:21<dariebi>thank you yery much
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19:22<retrospectacus>you're yery welcome :)
19:22<Black_Prince>And I tought that I could not resist.
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19:24<fwiss>I have the usual auto lo setup, should I write over or after that stuff as a rule of thumb?
19:25<lp>fwiss: after - i'd leave the lo alone :)
19:25<fwiss>awright,
19:26<lp>fwiss: networkmanager might be the right choice if unsure about editing interfaces
19:26<lp>fwiss: especially if you travel with that laptop around
19:27<lp>fwiss: the only useful thing is iwlist scan, to see if the wifi card works at all
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19:28<lp>fwiss: otherwise, the manual way is too cumbersome to do every time you connect to another network
19:28<fwiss>well I'd think it works since it can detect access points
19:29<lp>well, then try network manager - it works in xfce, too
19:29<fwiss>It works in xfce, huh.
19:29<lp>network-manager-gnome, i think
19:30<lp>what graphical interface do you have? i thought gnome or xfce
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19:31<Black_Prince>squeeze's xfce has some panel addon to enable adding gnome applets to it's panel, I think
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19:33<fwiss>Has a panel I think
19:33<lp>xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
19:34<Black_Prince>yes. that one
19:35<lp>you'll also need libpam-gnome and activate gnome services in xfce's session manager, otherwise network manager can't remeber the password
19:35<fwiss>Well the front end wasn't added to the menu, how do I start it up
19:35<lp>because of that gnome keyring thing
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19:36<lp>fwiss: not sure, network-manager from terminal, or perhaps nm-applet? don't remember
19:37<Black_Prince>nm-applet --sm-disable & should run it. It runs at startup tough. daemon is started at once.
19:37<fwiss>test
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19:38<lp>fwiss: you might need to restart xfce, to make sure the applet plugin is loaded
19:38<lp>fwiss: did it work?
19:39<fwiss>well
19:39<fwiss>Whole buncha errors on starting nm-applet
19:39<lp>please paste them
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19:40<fwiss>Though there were errors on startup, it still runs and I see it in the tray
19:40<fwiss>Wired works just fine, and it SEES my access point
19:40<lp>thought so - now select your network and try to connect
19:40<fwiss>but clicking on the wireless does nothing,
19:41<fwiss>pasting, summary is D-Bus/gconf stuff is what I'm seeing
19:41<lp>"wireless" might be just a GUI label, click on your WiFi network name
19:43<Black_Prince>fwiss: your user needs to be in "netdev" group to use network manager.
19:44<fwiss>I'ma get it to output to a file
19:44<lp>Black_Prince: isn't tthat the default for the user created during installation?
19:44<fwiss>>, not < right?
19:44<Black_Prince>Not sure.
19:44<Black_Prince>Anyways, as normal user type "groups" and check if "netdev" is there.
19:45<lp>fwiss: type groups in a terminal, and check if you're in netdev
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19:46<fwiss>yes, I'm in netdev
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19:46<Black_Prince>Alright. Now maybe those error messages could help a bit further.
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19:47<fwiss>** (nm-applet:7469): WARNING **: <WARN> activate_connection_cb(): Connection activation failed: Connection was not provided by any settings service
19:47<fwiss>** (nm-applet:7469): WARNING **: <WARN> activate_device_cb(): Device Activation failed: Connection was not provided by any settings service
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19:48<fwiss>First when I clicked my access point
19:48<fwiss>second when I clicked create new wireless network and entered creds
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19:48<Black_Prince>fwiss: grep NetworkManager /var/log/daemon.log | tee $HOME/logfile ... paste $HOME/logfile to pastebin.
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19:50<fwiss>running as root, it has a lot of text and then
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19:50<fwiss>Jan 25 19:39:30 snow NetworkManager[1853]: <warn> couldn't retrieve connections: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=1853 comm="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager) interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSettings" member="ListConnections" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" (uid=0 pid=7228 comm="nm-applet))
19:50<fwiss>Jan 25 19:39:45 snow NetworkManager[1853]: <warn> couldn't retrieve connections: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=1853 comm="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager) interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSettings" member="ListConnections" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" (uid=0 pid=7232 comm="nm-applet))
19:50<fwiss>Jan 25 19:40:54 snow NetworkManager[1853]: <warn> couldn't retrieve connections: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=1853 comm="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager) interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSettings" member="ListConnections" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" (uid=0 pid=7247 comm="nm-applet))
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19:50<fwiss>Jan 25 19:40:58 snow NetworkManager[1853]: <info> couldn't retrieve connection settings: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=1853 comm="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager) interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSettings.Connection" member="GetSettings" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" (uid=0 pid=7247 comm="nm-applet)).
19:51<fwiss>Jan 25 19:41:03 snow NetworkManager[1853]: <warn> connection (2) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/0 failed to activate (timeout): (0) Connection was not provided by any settings service
19:51<fwiss>Jan 25 19:45:16 snow NetworkManager[1853]: <warn> couldn't retrieve connections: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=1853 comm="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager)
19:51<Black_Prince>... first thing you did wrong is running applet as root.
19:51<fwiss>whoa, shoulda pasted a link, sorry
19:51<fwiss>I ran it as root at first
19:51<fwiss>BUT THEN I ran it as normal guy
19:51<fwiss>probably shoulda terminated the service first
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19:52<Black_Prince>and for who knows which time, you ignored my request to post something.
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19:53<fwiss>Well it didn't give me a link
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19:54<fwiss>to give to you
19:56<lp>fwiss: could you look again in /var/log/syslog for more info, other than the one from network manager?
19:57<fwiss>Ohhh...http://paste.debian.net/153670/
19:57<fwiss>is the first part
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19:59<lp>Jan 24 16:23:38 snow NetworkManager[4556]: <warn> wlan0: firmware may be missing.
19:59<Black_Prince>lp: that's older one. On last one it is not missing.
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20:00<fwiss>Well, I have syslog and syslog.1, which I assume is an older version. Is that normalno?
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20:00<Black_Prince>Anyways, it is policy kit problem or so.
20:00<Black_Prince>fwiss: you posted enough info. You will find same info in syslog, too ... Please reboot and come back.
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20:01<lp>Black_Prince: LOL at myself, it's 02:01 here, maybe time to sleep
20:01<Black_Prince>same here.
20:01<Black_Prince>We're from same timezone ... Where are you from?
20:01<lp>i'm in germany
20:02<Black_Prince>Nice
20:02<lp>nice, like in southern france?
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20:02<Black_Prince>:-D
20:02<fwiss>Right
20:02<Black_Prince>Nice as "nice" ... Not as city.
20:02<lp>darn :-D
20:03<fwiss>I have both wicd and nm-applet in my tray
20:03<Black_Prince>fwiss: disable wicd ... Purge it
20:03<fwiss>wicd is showing my wifi card like normal, but nm-applet is -OK
20:04<fwiss>in nm-applet is says device not managed for wifi
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20:07<manuel>hello
20:07<Black_Prince>yeah, because it is conflicting with wicd
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20:08<fwiss>right, xkill doesn't work here, how do I kill a process? I know its comman
20:08<fwiss>d
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20:08<Black_Prince>kill -9
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20:09<lp>killall wicd, pkill wicd
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20:11<fwiss>killed the process id for wicd and tried both approaches!
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20:11<fwiss>Wireless still saying not managed
20:12<Black_Prince>fwiss: have you added anything to /etc/network/interfaces regarding wireless?
20:12<fwiss>yes
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20:12<lp>fwiss: might be because you edited /etc/network/interfaces earlier
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20:13<Black_Prince>fwiss: remove everything from there, then :)
20:13<fwiss>so I'll just # em out
20:13<lp>fwiss: leave just the auto lo stuff there, delete everything else
20:13<Black_Prince>or like so ...
20:13<fwiss>I have an allow-hotplug eth0, I'm keeping that.
20:14<Black_Prince>whatever.
20:14<lp>and then service network-manager restart as root
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20:14<fwiss>Works
20:15<lp>fwiss: like in, wireless works, everything?
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20:16<Anonymous_pt_br>help
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20:16<Black_Prince>dpkg: as
20:16<dpkg>rumour has it, as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
20:16<Black_Prince>dpkg: ask
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20:17<Black_Prince>dpkg: ask
20:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:49<Xdept>Is there any ip6tables-persistent package? Aka, How do I load my ip6 rules on startup?
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20:50<Black_Prince>I guess using /etc/rc.local could help.
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20:57<michaelgreen>hey
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21:01<michaelgreen>hi
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21:10<Xdept>Is there any way to download and install i386 packages on a amd64 machine?
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21:33<rasta1>holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
21:34<tux0>hello
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21:36<michaelgreen>hi
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21:37<michaelgreen>who needs help
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22:05<Black_Prince>Xdept: short answer - no
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22:08<Black_Prince>Xdept: or rather yes. But you can't easily install Debian package built for i386 on amd64 ... You can run 386 programs on 64bit system, tough. You just need 32bit libraries
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22:09<nevyn>Black_Prince: this is mostly because debian took a native first approach to library pathing for 32bit
22:10<nevyn>s/32bit/64bit
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22:28<m3>#ubuntuusers
22:28<m3>sry
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22:32<lingolatz>I just installed CD 1 to my computer (it has the bare-minimum) and I do not know how to connect to my wireless. How can I do this?
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22:36<didi>Is it possible to install a sid package in squeeze?
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22:39<zykotick9>!tell didi about ssb
22:39<didi>zykotick9: Nice. Thank you.
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22:41<NyQuiL>Hi,
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22:57<ve2ety>besoin d'aide en francais svp
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22:59<retro|blah>!fr
22:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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23:00<ve2ety>merci
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23:03<aodeh>hello, sometimes I lose my connection via wifi.. dmesg says [111051.510052] wlan0: deauthenticating from 00:15:e9:05:81:84 by local choice (reason=3)
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23:10<tensorpudding_>i've got the strangest problem, affecting both debian and ubuntu
23:10<tensorpudding_>configure is failing basic sanity checks that should be passing, in one project, but the same tests pass on my own project's configure
23:11<tensorpudding_>it says that my gcc isn't C89 compatible, can't find or use a lot of system headers, etc.
23:11<tensorpudding_>when i run make, i get a ton of errors related to bugs *inside my system headers*
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23:11<tensorpudding_>but only in this project
23:12<kop>tensorpudding_: Reconstruct the configure file with autoconf??
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23:12<tensorpudding_>i even looked at the config.log
23:12<tensorpudding_>compared to conftest.c programs it was running
23:12<tensorpudding_>the exact same across both
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23:12<kop>tensorpudding_: (Not that I know anything much about autconf.)
23:12<tensorpudding_>and of course, same version of autoconf produced them
23:12<kop>!tell tensorpudding_ about enter
23:12<tensorpudding_>but for some reason, one fails, and the other does not
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23:13<tensorpudding_>there is the fact that the version of autoconf that this project i want to build is a bit old
23:14<tensorpudding_>i don't think that is the problem
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23:17<tensorpudding_>the makefile created by configure actually looks normal
23:18<tensorpudding_>but as i said, it produces pages of inscrutable errors that reference lines in system files
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23:21<tensorpudding_>all of the errors seem to do with typedefs though
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23:27<bill>I'm starting to install squeeze, and it wants rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw I put http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-realtek/download on a USB stick that's VFAT formatted and had nothing else there, but Debian can't seem to find it. What do I do next?
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