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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-27

---Logopened Fri Jan 27 00:00:09 2012
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00:49<Alexa>Ку ку О,о
00:51<primitivo>hi
00:51<primitivo>im new in this channel
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00:52<sup-bro>hey- how do i update the nonfree flashplugin? I tried #update-flashplugin-nonfree --install, but that did not work
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00:52<primitivo>how i can contibute whit gnome
00:52<primitivo>?
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00:55<primitivo>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
00:55<Alexa>Hey
00:55<primitivo>hi alexa
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00:57<Alexa><primitivo> where are you from?
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01:00<primitivo>im from mexico
01:00<primitivo>and you?
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01:01<Alexa>Russia
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01:02<primitivo>interesting...
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01:02<Alexa>:)
01:03<primitivo>i like gnome, do you know how i can apporting anything?
01:03-!-Quintasan_ [~quassel@p5DE7A3FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
01:03<primitivo>actually y develop in C#
01:04<primitivo>but im interesting in a project on linux
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01:05<Alexa>how old are you..?
01:06<primitivo>im 26 years old
01:06<primitivo>and you?
01:07<Alexa>15 :D
01:07<primitivo>thanks for my english but, im some nervious
01:07<primitivo>really?
01:08<jardiamj>primitivo, maybe you can ask in the #gnome channel on irc.freenode.net
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01:08<Alexa>Yes, actually.
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01:09<primitivo>and you like linux?
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01:13<Alexa>Yes, I like Linux
01:15<Alexa>I have to go. Later we'll talk.
01:15<Alexa>Bb
01:15<primitivo>mi email is cibercafe_montero@hotmail.com
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01:15<primitivo>bye
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01:44<chris122380>How do I get quicktime streaming in eceweasel?
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01:45<riley>hey- how do i update flash in icewasel
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01:46<chris122380>I have mplayer and VLC installed and no quicktime :-(
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01:46<seeS>woo hoo, i got fglrx working FINALLY
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01:47<chealer>riley: Adobe Flash Player?
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01:47<riley>yah
01:48<chris122380>mozilla-mplayer not in my repo
01:48<riley>when i try to watch a youtube video in facebook, it tells me i need to upgrade
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01:49<jardiamj>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
01:49<riley>did that
01:49<jardiamj>riley ^^
01:49<chealer>riley: did you see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Upgrade ?
01:49<riley>tried that too
01:49<riley>it says command not found
01:50<jardiamj>maybe installing from backports
01:51<chris122380>can't get quicktime videos any ideas?
01:51<jardiamj>I think the backports version shoul do it riley
01:51<riley>how do i do that?
01:52<jardiamj>http://backports-master.debian.org/
01:52<jardiamj>riley ^^
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01:53<riley>what backport do i get?
01:54<jardiamj>chris122380, install quicktime-utils
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01:55<jardiamj>place one of the backports mirrors in you /etc/apt/sources.list
01:55<jardiamj>http://backports-master.debian.org/Mirrors/
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01:56<chris122380>I did
01:56<jardiamj>choose one close to you...
01:56<chris122380>iceweasel not seem to be using mplayer or quicktime-utils
01:56<chealer>riley: that means you didn't install Adobe Flash Player the Debian way. you'd need to install flashplugin-nonfree to upgrade this way.
01:57<chris122380>my flash works just no quicktime
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02:00<jardiamj>chris122380, maybe something with the codecs: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs
02:00<chris122380>i installed the codecs from that page
02:02<jardiamj>well, I'm running out of ideas...
02:02<chris122380>just seems that iceweasel is unsure what to use to play it
02:02<jardiamj>I haven't tried watching quicktime videos...
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02:03<jardiamj>can you send me a link to see if it works on my system...
02:03<chris122380>i wish i had firefox instead
02:03<chris122380>http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/thewomaninblack/
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02:04<jardiamj>it runs just fine in my laptop
02:06<jardiamj>but I'm in wheezy and the squeeze version is quite old
02:07<chris122380>I'm using Parsix wich uses the testing version of debain
02:07<jardiamj>so which version of iceweasel do you have?
02:08<chris122380>8
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02:09<jardiamj>mmm... the same I have, and it runs just fine on my laptop
02:10<chris122380>i can't find quicktime under it's file types
02:10<jardiamj>do yo have anything in .xsession-errors about it
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02:12<chris122380>Creating config file: /home/chris/.mplayer/config
02:12<chris122380>MPlayer SVN-r31918 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team
02:12<chris122380>Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory
02:12<chris122380>Can't init input joystick
02:12<chris122380>mplayer: could not connect to socket
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02:13<chris122380>looks like mplayer socket error
02:15<Slydder>http://www.stopacta.info/
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02:15<chris122380>so still no quicktime
02:19<jardiamj>I really have no idea, I'm googling to see if I can find something... hahaha
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02:19<chris122380>disableing LIRC didn't do anything
02:20<chris122380>I have been googling it with no luck
02:20<jardiamj>mmmm...
02:21<jardiamj>well, I wish there would some more acknowledgeable person than me here... but probably everybody is sleeping
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02:24<chris122380>I renamed the .mozilla file and the quicktime application now shows in prefrences
02:24<jardiamj>does mplayer run the quicktime videos?
02:24<chris122380>supposed to
02:24*jardiamj shrugs
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02:29<jardiamj>my mplayer reproduces quicktime videos without problem..
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02:29<jm_>try using mediaplayer connectivity firefox addon
02:31<retrospectadus>have you installed the w32codecs package chris122380
02:32<jardiamj>retrospectacus, he said that he installed it already
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02:46<chris122380>still no quicktime
02:48<jardiamj>did you check if mplayer reproduces the quicktime videos?
02:48<chris122380>no idea how
02:48<jardiamj>so we could see if the problem is iceweasel itself or something else..
02:49<jardiamj>just download a quicktime video and reproduce with mplayer
02:49<chris122380>i think it's something else or chromium browser would play it
02:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 465] by debhelper
02:50<jardiamj>yep... so it's not iceweasel then..
02:50<chris122380>totem player is playing it
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02:52<chris122380>now I just need to get iceweasel and chromium to use totem
02:52<chris122380>totem i mean
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02:52<chris122380>have to go to bed so i can go to work in the morning.
02:53<chris122380>it's late hear thanks for trying
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03:59<daniel_>Hi
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04:00<daniel_>Anyone here?
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04:03<daniel_>Is there someone here who can help me with something?
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04:04<pieter>haha
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04:09<Bushmills>daniel_, to answer that, statistical methods need to be involved
04:10<daniel_>what do you mean?
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04:10<Bushmills>i mean that your question can't be simply answered with "yes" or "no"
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04:11<Bushmills>first question can, probably. are you here?
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04:13<daniel_>ofcourse i'm here
04:13<Bushmills>in that case, "yes". somebody is here: you.
04:13<daniel_>indeed
04:14<Bushmills>sorry, can't help you with your second question
04:14<daniel_>and what may my second question be?
04:14<Bushmills>that was "Is there someone here who can help me with something?"
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04:15<pieter>COOKIEDOUGH
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04:15<daniel_>well, my question is:
04:15<daniel_>since i installed debian on my pc, my frontpanel isn't working anymore
04:16<daniel_>in windows it doesn't work either
04:16<Bushmills>maybe you wait until your second question could have been answered, instead of queuing them
04:16<daniel_>but before i installed debian it did work
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04:19<daniel_>well, if no one knows what my question is, how are they supposed to answer it?
04:19<Bushmills>but we know, you asked them already. four, by now.
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04:20<Bushmills>no, three, actually
04:20<Bushmills>one which you called "my question" wasn't actually one
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04:21<daniel_>no beacuse i wasn't done talking yet, but then you said i have to wait
04:23<Bushmills>right, because with many questions, and the previous ones yet unanswered, you risk that people overlook them
04:24<Bushmills>lcdproc, lcd4linux, may be helpful with your panel
04:25<jm_>and what exactly is frontpanel?
04:25<Bushmills>there's another package of which i forgot its name
04:25<daniel_>front panel is the thing on the front of your pc, where you can plugin headphones, microphone etc
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04:26<daniel_>when i plugin my headphone i don't get any sound
04:26<jm_>does sound work in general?
04:26<daniel_>when i plug my headphone in the back of the pc it does work, but the sound quality is really bad
04:27<daniel_>also, before i installed debian everything was fine, so it's not a hardware problem
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04:30<jm_>hmm try toying with toggles in alsa mixer
04:31<Bushmills>how do "in windows it doesn't work either" and "before i installed debian everything was fine" correlate?
04:32<daniel_>well, since i have a dualboot i have both windows and debian on my pc
04:33<daniel_>i already did some things with alsamixer, checked if nothing was muted etc, but everything seems fine
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04:39<scullder>hello #debian ! :)
04:39<filePeter>Hi! :-)
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04:42<scullder>Hey, I would like to restrict login to some user with pam_access.so, using an accessfile, but it seems to have change in Debian Squeeze
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04:51<rigved>scullder: have you read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch04.en.html#_configuration_files_accessed_by_the_pam_and_nss
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04:52<DragonSlay>how can i install unicode fonts for console(ctrl+alt+f2)
04:53<rigved>scullder: specifically, you might look at /etc/nologin, which is accessed by the pam_nologin.so module.
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04:55<rigved>scullder: then, there is /etc/pam.d/login as well: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s-restrict-console-login
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05:05<rigved>DragonSlay: do you have some X fonts installed? Like xfonts-efont-unicode and xfonts-efont-unicode-ib...
05:06<DragonSlay>rigved, no
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05:10<jm_>DragonSlay: try using the LatArCyrHeb font
05:12<daniel_>jm are u still there?
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05:14<jm_>daniel_: yes
05:15<daniel_>I tried some things with alsamixer, but it didn't help
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05:19<jm_>daniel_: what does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' say? don't paste it here
05:19<jm_>and cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*
05:20<jm_>interested in Codec: line for the 2nd command
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05:22<jm_>daniel_: so for 2nd command: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#0 |grep Codec:
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05:25<jm_>!tell daniel_ -about paste
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05:27<jm_>daniel_: i'll be away for some 35-45 minutes now
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05:45<daniel_>jm_: here is the first one http://pastebin.com/E1fBKnbE
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05:47<mandark>Hi there, i'm trying to parse the output of some binary ( ... | while read line... ) but the binary check if the output is a a tty before writing, so I don't get nothing in my 'while read line' )o: Any idea how I tricks this ?
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05:52<mandark>I'm trying with 'script'
05:52<petemc>tee
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05:57<mandark>petemc: If the stdout of the program is a pipe, he does not write, so tee will not work too as I need a pipe to redirect to tee )o:
05:57<mandark>I don't know if the program is writing to stdout only if stdout is not a pipe, OR if the program is writing to /dev/tty ... i should strace it
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05:59<mandark>Wooow... straces does not see how he writes ... http://pastebin.com/MgybnYbS kind of strange behavior for me...
05:59<mandark>Threaded program ?
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06:10<jm_>daniel_: second one is more interesting
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06:11<No1>hi just a quick question when compiled a kernel can i delete the folder it was compiled in and just install deb packages.
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06:12<dddoe>hi! i need to add a template to the rsyslog.conf, but cant manage to do it. can you help me out?
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06:27<vardhan>hi all. how do i convert only line breaks in html code to plain line breaks using a windows software. http://www.webtoolhub.com/tn561393-html-to-text-converter.aspx it is removing all the html tags. i want to remove only <br> tags
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06:29<scullder>vardhan: I would use sed for windows...
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06:31<ansgar>vardhan: Support for Windows is really offtopic here...
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06:41<vardhan>sed is to remove text. i want to selectively only <br> tags & replace them with line breaks as in normal text
06:41<toobaz>Hello. Where is the information about the default DE for a user stored? I need to change it on a computer via ssh (so I have no access to gdm or kdm or else...) Thanks for any pointer.
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06:43<nevyn>toobaz: alternatives
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06:43<nevyn>toobaz: however gdm/kdm usually provide a mechinism for choosing
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06:43<toobaz>nevyn: yes, what I need is precisely to know where the last choice of the user is kept
06:43<toobaz>I do not need to change the global default
06:44<toobaz>but if I understand your suggestion, each *dm could have its own place...
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06:45<ansgar>toobaz: ~/.dmrc or something similar.
06:45<toobaz>wow, great
06:46<toobaz>I've been searching this for hours, thanks a lot
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06:58<Quincy>Hello, can someone help me please? I've just installed my ATI Driver on Ubuntu 11 (Ubuntu Server was closed, so I joined here), My system info shows Graphic: VESA: RV630 (which means that everything's fine, I guess).. But there's no desktop effects for me, can someone help?
06:59<heikkila>!ubuntuirc
06:59<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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06:59<astraljava>Quincy: "ubuntu server" is totally not closed. I have it working just fine at the moment.
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07:07<renato>bom dia !
07:08<renato>eu preciso de uma ajuda
07:08<renato>eu tenho a placa usb de tv digital visus extreme e queria saber se há algum drive para linux
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07:09<renato>eu scaneei os componente que lea usa como xc ceive xc 5000 , fujitisu mb86a20s e tridente tv master tm5010l ou 6010l
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07:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:01<ayaka>I have compiled linux-3.2.1coming for kernel.org in squeeze_amd64,but my usb keyboard can't use,I think I compile HID and usb in
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08:04<jm_>to think you did is not enough, make sure you did
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08:09<ayaka>jm_, shall I upload .config?
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08:11<ayaka>well it seems too long
08:11<jm_>ayaka: upload where?
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08:12<ayaka>jm_, I'm finding a paste can accept it length
08:12<ayaka>jm_, http://ideone.com/Ja9aM thank you
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08:13<jm_>ayaka: it has been truncated - grep USB config_file
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08:15<ayaka>jm_, how about this http://pastebin.com/yRnMJJZ2 and grep version http://pastebin.com/fj4jVdxy
08:16<jm_>ayaka: # CONFIG_USB_HID is not set
08:17<ayaka>jm_, my dear,could you tell me where too set it in menuconfig?
08:17<jm_>ayaka: use its search facility: /CONFIG_USB_HID<enter>
08:17<jm_>(type that in when make menuconfig ncurses interface is active)
08:18<lp>what is port 52631 used for? two IPs (one in france, one in tunesia) keep trying to connect to my server on that port
08:18<ayaka>jm_, wow,I don't know it has this kind of function
08:18<ayaka>lp, maybe your iceweasel
08:18<ayaka>jm_, by the way do you know ncurses?
08:18<lp>ayaka: very funny :)
08:19<jm_>ayaka: know how?
08:19<ayaka>lp, it's true,you iceweasel need port under 1024 to connect server,then it reply to the same port
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08:20<ayaka>jm_, use ncurses to develop program
08:20<jm_>ayaka: i've used it in the past yes, but onle rarely - I use slang more often
08:20<fbs>is gnome 3 fully working nowdays?
08:20<jm_>used*
08:20<lp>ayaka: there's no iceweasel installed on the server, the guys tried on destination port 52631
08:21<ayaka>jm_, slang is a lib?
08:21<jm_>ayaka: apt-cache show libslang2
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08:21<ayaka>lp, do you connect to others
08:22<lp>ayaka: no, actually outbound connections are blocked by firewall
08:22<ayaka>lp, do you use something like nagios?
08:22<ayaka>jm_, wow,do you know some book for it?
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08:23<jm_>ayaka: no, I used its documentation only
08:23<lp>ayaka: some guys in chine also tried 1433 and 1434 (ms sql server), but i didn't find anything known about 52631, thought maybe it's a new exploit
08:23<lp>or trojan listening there
08:24<ayaka>jm_, well documentation is not a Tutorial,it's too hard to me,ncurses is a example
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08:24<lp>ayaka: no nagios - i only have postfix, and it's still shielded from the outside
08:24<jm_>ayaka: so use whatever you feel comfortable with
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08:25<ayaka>jm_, I see,thank you
08:25<ayaka>jm_, /CONFIG_USB_HID don't enter to the entry only show some information
08:25<paulio>Hello, is there anyone who uses Evolution?
08:26<ayaka>lp, so stranger,you have a fireware,it should stop that things
08:26<jm_>ayaka: did it open a search dialog when you pressed '/'?
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08:26<ayaka>jm_, of course,but only show some info about it
08:26<jm_>ayaka: but yes, if it finds it, it tells you how to get to it and what it depends on
08:26<jm_>ayaka: "only" ...
08:27<jm_>i.e.: Location: -> Device Drivers -> HID Devices (HID_SUPPORT [=y])
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08:27<lp>ayaka: it does, was just curious is someone else saw that recently - neither /etc/services nor google seem to have any info on that port
08:27<ayaka>jm_, oh Location: ,I see I should really understand upcase word,thank you
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08:28<jm_>ayaka: no worries
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08:29<ayaka>lp, I google out something,but I'm sure it's for stupid m$,do worry,but set fireware block that ip is a good choice as I thinking
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08:30<ayaka>and in linux compile it will let your choice your cpu,I'm amd athon but not athon64,shall I choice it?
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08:30<jm_>you can influence the compiler, yes
08:31<ayaka>jm_, does I should choice USB Human Interface Device (full HID) support?
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08:31<jm_>ayaka: yes
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08:33<ayaka>jm_, but could me tell me what is the HIDBP (Boot Protocol) keyboard more easy,the doc is too long,and another thing I choice cpu athon64 it can boot,but it stop in gdm3(I don't install driver)but I can't linux-3.2.1 in /lib/modules
08:35<jm_>ayaka: what is HIDBP?
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08:36<ayaka>jm_, in USB Human Interface Device (full HID) info said that name,I don't know,so I ask you expect
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08:37<jm_>ayaka: it doesn't show it for me, what's its full config name (CONFIG_...)?
08:38<ayaka>jm_, USB Human Interface Device (full HID) Symbol: USB_HID [=m] ?
08:38<jm_>ayaka: no, I am asking about boot protocol one
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08:39<jm_>I have some vague memory of seeing it before but nothing concret
08:39<ayaka>jm_, I don't it in USB Human Interface Device (full HID)'s info
08:39<jm_>ayaka: so why are you asking about it?
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08:39<ayaka>jm_, I want to know what is it and learn something I unknow
08:40<jm_>ayaka: ahh it's a simplified driver
08:41<ayaka>jm_, well,could you tell me a little detail,I'm lacked of that knowledge
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08:42<jm_>ayaka: I don't know the details, but like the text says, don't use it unless you know why
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08:43<ayaka>jm_, I see thank you
08:43<ayaka>another problem,linux-3.2.1 don't use /lib anymore?
08:44<jm_>it does
08:44<jm_>if you mean /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
08:44<jm_>but I'll have to go now
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08:48<ayaka>jm_ thank you
08:49<No1>ayaka, how big was ur source file
08:49<No1>after u compiled the kernel
08:49<ayaka>No1, 728.8,I reduce some drivers
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08:50<No1>wow mine was 5 GB
08:50<No1>lol
08:50<No1>hmm
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08:51<ayaka>No1, default is,but I don't compile what I don't use and most of it I use build in not modules
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08:52<No1>yes im learning at the moment
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08:52<No1>i dont get how to install kernel and headers and dlete source file
08:52<No1>i get problems
08:52<ayaka>how to install a squeeze_backport in suqeeze becuase I need glib>2.6
08:52<No1>symbolink error
08:53<ayaka>No1, do you find your compile?
08:53<ayaka>No1, do you finish your compile?
08:53<No1>yes
08:53<No1>it all compiles
08:53<No1>i get headers deb and image deb
08:54<No1>but i tried to remove source file and install
08:54<No1>and i keep headers missing
08:54<No1>getting*
08:54<No1>think it needs source file
09:00<ayaka>No1, if you only neend head it don't need source, one of the deb packages include it
09:00<No1>mmm
09:01<ayaka>No1, I once try to compile deb version source,but failed
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09:02<No1>which method are u using
09:02<No1>have u got a tutorial ?
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09:08<ayaka>No1, no tutorial is a treasure for chinese,I have never see linux except me and NOI linux,all is m$,no teacher no book,I can get some book in chinese,like linux driver develop,introduce to linux kernel,I learn form pieces of info
09:08*Bushmills tries reading what No1's problem might be, but fails - there doesn't seem to be one single complete line written
09:09<No1>:o Bushmills
09:09<ayaka>Bucciarati, he want to know someting of kernel compiling
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09:09<Bushmills>let me rotate the screen by 90 degrees, maybe that makes reading easier
09:10<No1>can i delete the source folder after i installed image and headers
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09:10<No1>lol
09:11<No1>maybe upside down
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09:11<Bushmills>sources are mostly optional, only required for a very few specific operations. yes, you can delete sources, in almost all cases
09:12<ayaka>I have a problem,when I use aptitude to do something, it show insserv: warning: script 'K01jack' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv: warning: script 'jack' missing LSB tags and overrides,what happen?
09:12<panko>ayaka: nothing
09:12<ayaka>panko, but it means what,why show it?
09:12<Bushmills>ayaka: what happened is that you received a warning. read as "informational"
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09:13<panko>just is that jack sctips doesn't follow LSB tags "standard"
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09:13<ayaka>Bucciarati, I know,but what is means,what is the error means? it like some server error
09:14<No1>thanks Bushmills
09:14<Bushmills>it means "script 'K01jack' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv" but K01jack is just a symlink to the actual script
09:14<Bushmills>what's the file it points to?
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09:15<ayaka>Bushmills, a script used for start jackd1,I get it from google result,but it don't work
09:16<ayaka>Bucciarati, I'm sorry
09:16<Bushmills>so it seems that the script you got somewhere from isn't compatible with insserv, which is installed on your system
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09:17<Bushmills>you may want to read /etc/init.d/skeleton
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09:21<Stereo>hello everyone
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09:21<Stereo>I'm getting error messages from chrony, and I can't find out how to fix them:
09:21<Stereo>Jan 27 14:47:35 xenophile chronyd[11947]: Could not send to 80.74.64.1:123 : Invalid argument
09:21<Stereo>Jan 27 14:56:15 xenophile chronyd[11947]: Could not send to 213.251.128.249:123 : Invalid argument
09:21<Stereo>etc.
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09:22<Stereo>one of those is my isp's, the other is from the ntp pool
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09:24<Stereo>googling for that error message only finds a bug about a misplaced column. There's nothing in the manual or elsewhere online. I'm not sure where to go from here.
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09:26<Stereo>nevermind, I'll just use ntpd
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09:30<rigved>hi. i have upgraded to debian sid from debian squeeze. grub still shows the old squeeze kernel. i have removed and purged the linux-image-2.6-686 package. still the old kernel shows up after update-grub command. is it safe to remove the kernel and the corresponding initrd images manually, using the rm command.
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09:31<ayaka>rigved, yes,but it will leave some deb package info
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09:31<rigved>ayaka: ok. thanks!
09:32<rigved>ayaka: but shouldn't the kernel actually get removed with the removal of the corresponding package?
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09:32<ayaka>rigved, in my memories you should remove two package
09:32<panko>rigved: linux-image-2.6 removal doesn't remove older kernels...
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09:33<panko>you need use aptitude or apt-get (or dpkg) to remove linux-image-2.6.***** package from your sistem
09:33<rigved>ayaka: ohh. so is there some other package also to be removed?
09:33<panko>search complete name with kernel version
09:34<ayaka>rigved, maybe,but don't worry
09:34<rigved>panko: i did that already. the packages have been removed (purged) yet the kernel and initrd images persist.
09:34<lonewlf>I have a question that I _used_ to know the answer to... on a UFS or ext2 or ext3 filesystem, why are some directories 96 bytes and some 4096 and some 16384?
09:34<lonewlf>all the directories are now empty but used to hold things
09:34<rigved>ayaka: ok. thanks!
09:35<panko>rigved: try to use aptitude or apt-get with purge option,
09:35<ayaka>rigved, you're welcome
09:35<rigved>panko: apt-cache policy shows that image is removed.
09:36<rigved>panko: sorry, it shows that the package is removed.
09:36<rigved>panko: but the files persist in /boot
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09:36<panko>or, if packages are de-installed, you can safely remove that files, but sometimes, some files are leave on sistem, purge try to remove all files generated during package install
09:37<rigved>ayaka: i tried that. i even tried with dpkg --purge, as suggested on the debian manual online. but no avail.
09:37<rigved>panko, ayaka: i'll manually remove them.
09:37<gdb>rigved: Make sure they're unowned with dpkg -S /boot/$file
09:38<rigved>panko: thanks!
09:38<rigved>gdb: ok. thank you!
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09:39<ayaka>After I compiled myself linux-3.2.1 and after make install, I don't see it install new /usr and /lib,why?
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09:40<panko>buf... so much time without compile my own kernel... don't remember...
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09:41<panko>ayaka, maybe some error on make modules or make modules install?
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09:41<ayaka>panko, no it successful, and I see vmlinux file have been installed
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09:41<panko>but... ¿new /usr? it uses /usr than yet exist on system
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09:44<rauli>ei como te llamas
09:44<rauli>tu
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09:45<panko>buena pregunta en un sitio donde hay 484 conectados xD
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09:46<gdb>ayaka: /usr won't change and the only directory in /lib that will change is getting a new one in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
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09:46<gdb>er a new one called
09:46<ayaka>gdb, I don't get a new that one
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09:47<gdb>ayaka: Did you select to enable support for kernel modules?
09:47<ayaka>gdb, I don't know, which config?
09:47<gdb>ayaka: It was part of the kernel configuration. One of the questions near the begnning.
09:48<ayaka>gdb, wait sending .config
09:48<gdb>ayaka: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ <-- Here's step by step instructions for building a new kernel as a Debian package. I'm one of the folks that likes to ensure all software, where ever possible, is under package management.
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09:49<ayaka>gdb, http://pastebin.com/qAeTugDh
09:49<rigved>gdb: ah! there is a linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package also, which i missed. dpkg -S pointed it out. apt-file missed this when i ran it with the same parameter.
09:49<gdb>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en <-- Where that link comes from.
09:49<babilen>ayaka: Why do you compile your own kernel?
09:50<gdb>rigved: Remember, apt-file needs to be updated independently of apt-get. So you need to run apt-file update from time to time. :-)
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09:51<ayaka>babilen, as you know,xen don't work while nvidia,and I fail in compile debian's linux 2.6,so I begin myself,oh,by the way,nvidiafb don't support my card
09:51<gdb>rigved: apt-file maintains and independent database in /var/cache/apt/apt-file
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09:52<babilen>ayaka: You can get 3.1 and 3.2 kernels for squeeze from backports (e.g. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64) - Same for nvidia. I would suggest to install 3.2 or 3.1 from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) and then follow "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" (also with "-t squeeze-backports") for nvidia drivers.
09:53<gdb>ayaka: Line 221 of your paste indicates you enabled support for kernel modules: CONFIG_MODULES=y
09:53<rigved>gdb: i had actually installed and updated the apt-file database just before checking which package the kernel image belonged to...
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09:53<gdb>rigved: oh hah
09:53<gdb>rigved: Well, I can't explain that, then!
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09:54<ayaka>babilen, thank you,but I really need to know why,I'm learning,does it,thank you telling me how to use backport
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09:55<ayaka>gdb, so,what is the problem
09:55<gdb>ayaka: I admit, I started using Linux back in 1994 and used to rebuild kernels routinely, but since distributions have started providing everything as modules (starting in the last 90s) I've not had to recompile a kernel in like 12 years.
09:55<gdb>late 90s*
09:55<gdb>ayaka: Did you run "make modules install"?
09:55<ayaka>gdb, no
09:55<rigved>gdb: ok. thanks again!
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09:56<gdb>ayaka: Ah, well, that's a separate step from installing the new kernel. You have to also build and install the kernel modules in another step.
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09:56<ayaka>gdb, thank you,I don't need to rebuild it do I
09:56<gdb>ayaka: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ <-- This will teach you both about building a kernel and doing it "the Debian way" to ensure that your new kernel is under package management and isn't clobbered by a kernel update.
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09:57<babilen>ayaka: Please read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html if you want to learn how to rebuild the Debian kernel. You can base your config on the one used for the backported kernel.
09:57<babilen>ayaka: I still don't understand why you can't use the backported kernel though.
09:57<gdb>ayaka: It's not rebuilding, it's building. When you make a new kernel, you're actually making and installing 2 different "parts" of the kernel: the kernel file itself, and the modules that go with it (which are device/service drivers). You also need to add a 3rd step and rebuild your systems initrd image (drivers that need to be loaded at boot time).
09:57<ayaka>gdb, but it's a online book,it without pdf or best chinese version(if not I'm sure I will begin a hard difficult tanslation)
09:58<babilen>ayaka: Which book is this and what are you trying to achieve?
09:58<gdb>babilen: I gather ayaka is simply wanting to learn how to make kernels. Granted, I've not done it in over a decade, but I get the concepts. I think ayaka wants at least the same level of understanding.
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09:58<ayaka>babilen, no,I will use it,but before I forget how to and lost irc log
09:58<ayaka>babilen, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
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09:59<babilen>Ok -- It would still be advisable to follow Debian's best practices as outlines in the kernel-handbook.
09:59<babilen>ayaka: And you follow 4.5 of that manual?
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10:00<ayaka>babilen, athough,I can't find a reader to open pdf,but I can something open computer without my mother know it
10:00<ayaka>babilen, I don't care version,
10:00<gdb>ayaka: I agree with babilen here. Doing it the "Debian way" will ensure that when a kernel update is released, your new kernel will not be clobbered by it (and you'll know how to apply any security patches yourself). Doing it "old school" (make ; make modules ; make modules install) is not advisable (other than, of course, an academic exercise).
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10:01<gdb>ayaka: evince is the PDF reader that should be on your system already (if running the GNOME version of Debian)
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10:01<ayaka>gdb, yes,I'm so agree with you and babilen ,but but before it ,think I'm a student not a user,please tell me more
10:02<babilen>ayaka: I meant: And you are currently following chapter 4.5 or chapter 4.6 in the kernel-handbook? (if so: which one?)
10:02<ayaka>babilen, I don't read it,I get it from gdb just now
10:03<gdb>ayaka: What babilen is asking is this: Are you rebuilding a Debian kernel package, with your customizations; or are you trying to build a kernel package using clean pristine source from www.kernel.org?
10:03<ayaka>gdb, no,I compile it in old way
10:03<gdb>It sounds like you're trying to build a non-packaged kernel using pristine source from www.kernel.org
10:03<ayaka>gdb, oh,I customizations and source from www.kernel.org
10:04<gdb>ayaka: I think what babilen is suggesting is that regardless of which method you use, it may be useful to using the .config file from the backported version of the kernel you're trying to build as a starting point for your own customizations.
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10:04<gdb>useful to use*
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10:04<ayaka>gdb, I'm fully agree with you
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10:05<babilen>ayaka: Ok, in that case: Follow 4.6, obtain a suitable kernel config from the 3.2.1 backported package (best to install it, config is in /boot/), copy it into the new source and use "make oldconfig" ..
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10:05<salam>hey room
10:05<babilen>(or make "menuconfig" -- But do yourself a favour and base *your* configuration on Debian's .. Much easier that way.
10:06<ayaka>babilen, done,then fakeroot debian/rules binary?
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10:07<babilen>ayaka: If you just want to learn how to build a kernel: Actually compile the same version that you have installed right now because a suitable config can be found in /boot/config-$(uname-r)
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10:07<ayaka>babilen, yes I tried,but get a error
10:08<ayaka>babilen, I just apt-get source linux-2.6 then fakeroot debian/rules binary, after someting I get an error
10:08<babilen>ayaka: No, you use "make deb-pkg" if you are *not* building from the Debian source-package (as in 4.2.4)
10:09<babilen>ayaka: So you are trying to rebuild the official Debian kernel packages (chapter 4.2) ?
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10:09<ayaka>babilen, if you say build 2.6,I really use debian source and debian/rules setup done
10:10<gdb>ayaka: Yes, babilen is suggesting that the better learning exercise is to build a new package for your currently installed kernel.
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10:11<babilen>I guess the main problem is that neither /me, nor ayaka nor gdb knows what ayake actually tries to achieve :)
10:11<ayaka>gdb, so stranger(not debian way) make -j2 ;make modules ; make modules install;/lib/module still only have 2.6's dic
10:11<babilen>ayaka: No, use upstreams (i.e. kernel.org's) "make deb-pkg"
10:12<babilen>(see 4.5)
10:12<bony>I want to setup a local email server in a lan and may be i will use the email services from outside the lan too. what is the best way to do it and can any one point me to any tutorials for the same
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10:12<ayaka>babilen, gdb I think my english both fail you,and there is network dely,I think declear what I'm tring once
10:13<gdb>ayaka: It appaers the command is "make modules_install" <-- with an underline, not "make modules install"
10:13<ayaka>babilen, gdb randy@RITSUKO-RI:/usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.32$ dpkg-pkg bash: dpkg-pkg: command not found
10:14<gdb>bony: Honestly, if you're using stock stable with exim4, the best way is to run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and just follow the on-screen prompts from debconf.
10:14<babilen>bony: The easiest way to configure Debian's standard mailserver (exim4) is to run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" -- You will be presented with a couple of options and you just have to pick whatever is appropriate. Also read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz
10:14<gdb>haha babilen and I are like, mentally linked today
10:14<babilen>indeed
10:14<babilen>:D
10:15<ayaka>gdb, I get it /lib thank you
10:15<gdb>ayaka: Very good!
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10:16<ayaka>babilen, gdb but onething,that kernel's nvdiafb(3.2.1) don't support my nvidia card,where shall I report?
10:16<babilen>ayaka: Your own kernel?
10:16<ayaka>babilen, and debian's 2.6 the same
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10:17<gdb>ayaka: Are you trying to get the proprietary nvidia driver working?
10:17<babilen>ayaka: Did you install the nvidia driver? Which card do you have? Paste your Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ... (and so on)
10:17<bony>gdb, babilen but i want to test various industry standard security features too on it
10:17<ayaka>gdb, in fact,yes,it's why xen don't work
10:18<babilen>bony: Things like TLS and SMTP-AUTH are discussed in the README.Debian
10:18<bony>gdb, babilen ok
10:18<ayaka>babilen, gdb but I get onething more serious,my /boot has some trouble /boot/grub only left two file and I lost linux 2.6's file!!
10:18<bony>gdb, babilen can i get anything in wiki.debian.org? or are their any other places i can look for other than google
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10:19<babilen>bony: /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz
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10:20<bony>babilen, ok
10:20<ayaka>babilen, gdb ok,reinstall save me,what I have done
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10:20<babilen>bony: And http://www.exim.org/docs.html has upstream's documentation (note that #exim on freenode does not like Debian's split-configuration)
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10:22<OpenTokix>Is there anyone who use the split config?
10:22<OpenTokix>I have never done that, can't see the point tbh.
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10:23<ayaka>babilen, gdb I will be back after reboot,greatly sincerely thank
10:24<babilen>ayaka: Make sure that you still have a usable (i.e. stock) kernel installed.
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10:25<ayaka>babilen, I'm not sure,how to check it,and in fact my /boot has some problem,it's parted by program don't support 4kb sector disk,I'm still think I way to correct it
10:26<babilen>ayaka: Does "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" return matches? → http://paste.debian.net
10:27<ayaka>babilen, no return
10:27<gdb>ayaka: Meaning make sure that your grub menu at boot time still has your old kernel listed so you can boot it if your new one doesn't work. You can look for the old on in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
10:27<gdb>old one*
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10:28<ayaka>babilen, aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image' or "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" ?
10:28<babilen>ayaka: Well, you should install a Debian kernel. Easiest way is "apt-get install linux-image-$(dpkg --print-architecture)"
10:29<ayaka>gdb, in fact I see it,but I'm no sure whether it works,and in /boot file I see it file
10:29<babilen>ayaka: What is the difference?
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10:29<ayaka>babilen, " and ' how many it
10:30<ayaka>babilen, as apt-get install linux-image-$(dpkg --print-architecture) return it has been lastest
10:30<babilen>ayaka: The " are not part of the command. I use those to signal COMMAND_START and COMMAND_END here in IRC
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10:31<ayaka>babilen, oh,I get it,I shall return
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10:31<ayaka>babilen, gdb greatly sincerely thank once
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10:32<gdb>09:32 -!- ayaka [~randy@121.204.61.240] has quit [Quit: 离开 left] <-- And so the Universe ended.
10:33<babilen>gdb: PM Ok?
10:33<gdb>Sure!
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10:37<jhutchins_wk>Has anybody come up with a way to display the grub2 menu outside of grub? Preview it without booting?
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10:45<kop>jhutchins_wk: That'd be a nice thing to be able to do.
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10:49<franzel>is dyndns no longer free? Or am I not finding the free set up page?
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10:54<wm>i'm having a strange problem, running 6.0.3 on amd64 with an Asus P5Q deluxe mb - When i connect eth0 to my network all works, when i connect either eth1 alone or together with eth0 i can only ping/connect inside my network anymore, no internet. Both are configured static with different ips inside the same subnet of course - any idea?
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10:54<SynrG>franzel: apparently not. http://www.dyndnscommunity.com/questions/21580/from-dyn-what-happened-to-free-accounts.html
10:54<SynrG>!dyndns
10:54<dpkg>well, dyndns.org is a free service that lets you map a DNS name to your IP address. It is especially good for people who have a dynamic IP address from their ISP, but want to be able to access their home machines from elsewhere on the Internet. Some ADSL modems have dynamic DNS services in built, otherwise look at the package <ddclient> for Debian. http://www.dyndns.org/
10:54<SynrG>factoid needs updating :/
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10:55<SynrG>!no-ip
10:55<dpkg>No-IP is a dynamic DNS service provider. The update clients packaged for Debian are inadyn and noip2. The no-ip.com update client (noip2) is not part of Squeeze due to Debian bug #601220.
10:55<franzel>thanks SynrG...I kept searching and searching and couldn't find it
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10:56<SynrG>seems like no-ip.com could be used instead. i don't know if noip2 missing from squeeze makes it unusable for squeeze users though ...
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10:57<SynrG>,versions noip2
10:57<judd>Package: noip2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.7-11
10:57<SynrG>oh, completely gone, not even in wheezy/sid. probably not relevant then. (inadyn covers it?)
10:57<franzel>is no-ip the new dyndns?
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11:03<Li_milisch>hello there debian com! i would like to know the name of this customizable desktop
11:03<SynrG>!dyndns
11:03<dpkg>dyn.com, formerly dyndns.org and now no longer free except for limited-length trials, is a service that lets you map a DNS name to your IP address. See <no-ip> for a free alternative.
11:03<Li_milisch>can someone tell me which desktop i have to install?
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11:04<gdb>Squeeze has something called inadyn that make be useful.
11:04<franzel>thanks dpkg
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11:04<gdb>suports the following services http://{www.dyndns.org,freedns.afraid.org,
11:04<gdb> www.zoneedit.com,www.no-ip.com}
11:04<gdb>gah, bad line breaks
11:04<SynrG>franzel: hm? dpkg is a bot. i just taught it the new factoid.
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11:05<franzel>oh crap...thanks SynrG....just starting up and getting dns and now downloading live dvd of debian
11:05<chealer>Li_milisch: which customizable desktop?
11:05<franzel>I have lots to learn
11:05<Li_milisch>dudes..... can someone tell me the name of that customizable desktop pls? all of the debian cracks nows it
11:05<Li_milisch>knows*
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11:05<SynrG>gdb: have you any experience with the others in that list? in particular, should the factoid only point at no-ip or also other free alternatives?
11:05<Li_milisch>thats a desktop which can have glossy effects.... some modules
11:05<themill>Li_milisch: once more in English?
11:06<Li_milisch>:D
11:06<gdb>SynrG: No, I don't. I just did an apt-cache search no-ip and that's what came up.
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11:07<SynrG>gdb: right. i noted inadyn was probably all you need several lines up :)
11:07<Li_milisch>:D can someone give me a list of all available desktops ? i googled but didnt found ! i am sure i know which one i need, but i dont remember the names
11:07<gdb>Oh! Sorry, I missed htat.
11:07*kop wonders how I'm going to remember inadyn
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11:07<kop>Li_milisch: Use debtags to search.
11:08<Li_milisch>hes not like the standard desktop, its more thin, small, but customizable....
11:08<Li_milisch>debtag?
11:08<SynrG>kop: easy. dyndns factoid points at no-ip. no-ip factoid mentions inadyn ;)
11:08<kop>!debtags
11:08<dpkg>from memory, debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags or ask me about <aptitude search>.
11:08<kop>Li_milisch: You could also look at xwinman.org, though I don't know how current it is.
11:10<Li_milisch>n1, thx. that helps me alot
11:10<Li_milisch>it was not gnome or kde :D it was a thiny one and i think its the fvwm
11:10<chealer>Li_milisch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments
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11:10<franzel>SunrG how come there are 8 differend DVD iso's on the debian site for bittorrent: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/
11:11<SynrG>that's in the CD faq
11:11<Li_milisch>or icewm :D thx kop :D
11:11<franzel>thanks
11:11<SynrG>http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd
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11:12<gdb>franzel: Because the entire Debian release doesn't fit on 1 DVD. You just need DVD 1 to install the system.
11:12<gdb>franzel: Actually, you just need CD 1 to install the system if you want something smaller than a DVD.
11:12<gdb>(assuming no network access)
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11:13<franzel>thanks gdb
11:13<jbphysreddit>Hello all - I've come seeking some help..
11:13<SynrG>franzel: also, please address your new questions to the whole channel, not individuals. also, please type my nick correctly ;)
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11:14<franzel>Sorry about the nick....dang tricky fingers
11:14<SynrG>np
11:15<SynrG>many irc clients have tab-completion on nicks to avoid this sort of blunder (and cause a whole new set of mis-tab-completed blunders ;)
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11:15<franzel>Ah just tried it...thanks SynrG
11:15<jbphysreddit>I seem to have accidentally let my ubuntu update manager remove some important packages including those needed for gnome-shell - I keep getting a whole lot of dependency errors and despite a lot of attempts I can't get it sorted..
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11:17<kop>jbphysreddit: You'd be wanting an ubuntu channel then. This is debian support.
11:17<kop>!ubuntu
11:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:17<jbphysreddit>ah this is my first forage into IRC - sorry all!
11:17<kop>jbphysreddit: No worries.
11:17<SynrG>jbphysreddit: check your irc client's default channel. might want to change that.
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11:57<franzel>setting up no-ip and asking me for mxrecord? Can someone help?
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12:00<jhutchins_wk>franzel: Give it the mx record.
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12:01<franzel>jhutchins_wk: How can I find out my mx record?
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12:02<jhutchins_wk>franzel: You could start by googling "mx record" - it's the record that says what system handles mail for the host. If you don't have a mailserver, you probably don't need it.
12:02<franzel>OK...I don't have a mail server thanks....I initially left it blank and I guess could set up a mail server once debian is installed
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12:06<franzel>I just got done downloading the iso for dvd and cd and anytime I try to create dvd or cd, it tells me "no mountable file system". My goal is to burn the iso to a dvd or cd so that I can put it in my computer and boot from it.
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12:07<jhutchins_wk>franzel: You'll want to find documentation on setting up public mailservers and get to know whatever system you choose before you set it up.
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12:07<franzel>thanks jhutchins_wk. I looked it up and am familiar with squirrel
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12:10<franzel>disregard last question...using toast to burn the dvd
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12:13<jhutchins_wk>franzel: squirrelmail is a client, like thunderbird or MS Outlook.
12:13<jhutchins_wk>franzel: Mailservers for Debian include sendmail, postfix, and exim4.
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12:15<franzel>jhutchins_wk: thanks...see on section 8.5 of the debian set up "8.5. Setting Up Your System To Use E-Mail"
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12:22<priv1>Hello people, I installed proftpd 1.3.3a and I now want to use FTPS. I searched and find several tutorials but it noone worked. I alway get the messages "500 AUTH not understood or 500 AUTH not understood". Unencrypted FTP works. tls.conf is included in the proftpd.conf.
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12:40<priv1>*push*
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12:54<franzel>help....installing debian using graphical install and now stuck in "Configure the Network" says "does not know how to communicate with hosts on the internet" looking for Netinst or packages available on the local network
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12:54<zul0>anyone know a guide to use irc + tor?
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13:14<priv1>@zul0: Just use Tor as socks proxy. If you want to use freenode then look at freenode.net
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13:14<Neo139>is this channel appropiate for newbie questions?
13:14<retrospectacus>only if they are about debian
13:14<retrospectacus>then yes
13:15<zul0>thanks priv1
13:15<Neo139>Whats the difference between all these debian-6.03-amd64-CD-1.iso CD-2.iso, CD-3.iso till CD-52.iso ?
13:15<Neo139>http://debian.las.ic.unicamp.br/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/
13:15<Neo139>I don't know which one I have to download
13:15<Neo139>and they all have the same metadata
13:15<retrospectacus>they contain different software packages
13:15<priv1>@retrospectacus: any idea on my problem?
13:15<retrospectacus>disc 1 is the installer, and some software that most people will need
13:16<retrospectacus>Neo139: the rest contain software you may want but you only need disc 1 to get started
13:16<retrospectacus>you can just install software from the repositories after that
13:17<Neo139>Thanks retrospectacus
13:17<Neo139>Just found the list directory
13:17<Neo139>^^
13:17<retrospectacus>np
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13:17<retrospectacus>priv1: nothing except "use scp"
13:18<Neo139>zul0: if you need help with Tor, I'am a relay owner, and maybe I can help :P
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13:18<priv1>retrospectacus: Can is use this easily without granting shell access to users?
13:18<franzel>how about a network set up question?
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13:19<retrospectacus>priv1: you can give them the shell "scponly" which doesn't allow interactive logins
13:19<priv1>Thank you!
13:19<retrospectacus>!scponly
13:19<dpkg>scponly is a restricted shell limiting user access to OpenSSH applications (scp, sftp). It can optionally operate chrooted, which requires a chroot jail for the user to be established; see /usr/share/doc/scponly/README.Debian and Debian bug #551868. http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/FAQ http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/ Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #650590. See also <rssh>.
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13:19<retrospectacus>oh... removed from debian :\
13:20<priv1>retrospectacus: Any idea how to do this with SFTP?
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13:20<franzel>when installing debian, during the configure the network, it doesn't know the default route. Can someone help please
13:20<retrospectacus>priv1: not really, it's certainly possible but I don't know how to fix your problem. I haven't tried it
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13:21<retrospectacus>franzel: did it get an IP address by DHCP?
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13:21<franzel>retrospectacus: No it didn't
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13:22<retrospectacus>did you configure the network manually then?
13:22<franzel>says the system does not know how to communicate with hosts on the internet
13:22<franzel>retrospectacus: I am installing debian and am stuck here.
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13:22<retrospectacus>yes you need networking, like an IP and a gateway and nameservers to do that. It should have asked you about this previously
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13:23<retrospectacus>what kind of PC is this franzel ?
13:23<franzel>dual core intel
13:23<franzel>it didn't ask for ip, gateway, or nameserver
13:23<retrospectacus>and how will it connect to the internet
13:24<retrospectacus>ethernet? wireless? through a router?
13:24<franzel>pc connected to a router
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13:24<franzel>ethernet
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13:24<retrospectacus>so at one point it should say "configuring the network with dhcp" with a progress bar and tell you if it failed or what
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13:25<franzel>I didn't notice, but I am assuming that it failed the dhcp; otherwise, I wouldn
13:25<retrospectacus>perhaps the installer is missing a driver for your ethernet card
13:26<franzel>it got past the detect network hardware
13:26<franzel>so I would think that it know my nic card
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13:27<franzel>I am stuck at "configure the network"
13:27<Bushmills>actually, the "configure network using dhcp" is a choice the user needs to make. if that was missed, it is likely that user didn't choose that
13:27<franzel>it failed during the dhcp process
13:27<retrospectacus>oh.. ok, your router is not doing dhcp or?
13:27<franzel>router is doing dhcp
13:28<iu> relay owner whats that mean?
13:28<Bushmills>"I didn't notice, but I am assuming that it failed the dhcp;" -> "it failed during the dhcp process" ... assumption?
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13:28<franzel>it is not connected directly to a router, it is connected to a network switch, which is connected to a router with dhcp enabled
13:28<retrospectacus>franzel: retry network autoconfiguration
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13:29<franzel>retrospectacus: tried that and same msg
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13:30<jhutchins_wk>franzel: What chipset is the NIC?
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13:30<retrospectacus>well it should work, according to what you said, depending on the switch and router config
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13:30<franzel>jhutchins_wk: can't remember, it's onboard, let me pull my flashlight out
13:30<Bushmills>the installer allows to open a root console on with alt-f2, right?
13:31<tupac>irc.chatzona.org
13:31<Bushmills>alt-f2, <Enter>, IIRC
13:31<jhutchins_wk>franzel: Might be easier to boot the live image and run lspci (or run that in a console window of the installer).
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13:31<jhutchins_wk>franzel: As Bushmills suggests above.
13:31<iu><Neo139> a relay owner? whats that mean? please
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13:32<franzel>jhutchins_wk: I downloaded the dvd and all it wanted to do was install
13:32<franzel>I thought that I would see a live debian, but went directly to install
13:32<jhutchins_wk>franzel: What we're trying to figure out here is what failed, and we're guessing that your NIC might requre firmware to load.
13:32<Bushmills>netinst dvd isn't the live cd
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13:32<retrospectacus>iu: someone who owns a tor relay. Ask irc://irc.freenode.net/#tor if you need to know more
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13:32<Neo139>iu: Tor network nodes are volunteer servers
13:32<Bushmills>but, the installer is a sort of live system too
13:32<Bushmills>albeit with limited functionality
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13:33<franzel>Bushmills: tried alt+f2+enter
13:33<Bushmills>good. now: ifconfig
13:33<franzel>nothing happened
13:33<Bushmills>or ifconfig -a
13:33<Bushmills>look whether you see an eth0 or eth1
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13:34<Bushmills>ehm. not alt+f2+enter all at once.
13:34<Bushmills>first, press alt, keep it pressed, and press f2. release both alt and f2
13:34<retrospectacus>he might be using the graphical installer, you may need Ctrl too
13:34<Bushmills>only *then* press Enter
13:34<iu>okay thanks always something new for me every day :)
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13:36<franzel>needed cntl...thanks retrospectacus
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13:37<Bushmills>if there's eth1 visible, enter dhclient eth1. if there's eth0, enter dhclient eth0
13:37<franzel>Bushmills: now at shell, what do I need to do
13:38<Bushmills>(19:33:18) Bushmills: or ifconfig -a
13:38<Bushmills>(19:33:26) Bushmills: look whether you see an eth0 or eth1
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13:38<retrospectacus>(press Ctrl-Alt-F7 (I think?) to get back to the installer)
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13:38<Bushmills>not yet, let him try to config the network from here
13:39<franzel>when I put in ifconfig -a not found
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13:39<Bushmills>that's ... unusual
13:39<Bushmills>there ought to be ifconfig
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13:40<stummi>franzel: /sbin/ifconfig?
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13:41<franzel>stummi: not found
13:41<Bushmills>how about dhclient eth1
13:41<franzel>not found for dhclient eth1
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13:42<Bushmills>it's my impression that there's something else wrong. either command ought to be found
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13:43<franzel>exact message I am getting is "-/bin/sh: dhclient: not found"
13:43<BlackSpirit>hola
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13:43<BlackSpirit>anonymous???
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13:47<franzel>Bushmills: looked up mobo and looks like nic card is a 10/100 LAN Supplier Realtek RTL8101L
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13:48<franzel>or Realtek 8103EL
13:49<Bushmills>i can't tell whether it is supported out of the box or not
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13:49<retrospectacus>can you run ''lspci -nn'' on the F2 terminal?
13:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 512] by debhelper
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13:50<Bushmills>afaik, there's no lspci on install cd
13:50<retrospectacus>:(
13:50<franzel>lspci -nn worked
13:51<Bushmills>are you sure you have a debian install cd?
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13:51<franzel>RTL8101E
13:51<alex_>Hi all
13:51<retrospectacus>wheezy installer?
13:51<franzel>I thought I downloaded the live dvd, but only option I had was install
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13:52<alex_>Please tell us what balackbuntu
13:52<retrospectacus>franzel: we need the pciid - it looks like [abc1:23d] or so
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13:52<franzel>10ec:8136
13:53<retrospectacus>should be fine. Can you confirm exactly what installer CD you are using for us?
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13:54<franzel>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/
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13:54<franzel>debian-6.0.3-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent
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13:56<retrospectacus>really weird that you would not have dhclient - isn't that what the installer uses to do network autoconfiguration?
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13:56<retrospectacus>can you go look at um Ctrl-Alt-F1 or maybe F4 ... somewhere there will be a log of what the installer was doing... see if there are any errors
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13:57<Bushmills>debian live cd would be at http://live.debian.net/
13:57<franzel>Failed to load moude "intel"
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13:58<franzel>failed to load module "vesa"
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13:58<retrospectacus>did you verify the DVD? (at the beginning of the install, or verify the ISO's MD5 )
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13:58<franzel>fbdev(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid arguement
13:58<franzel>that was from the f1
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13:59<retrospectacus>hm doesn't sound related anyway
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13:59<franzel>from the f4, last command is init" starting pid 5077, tty '/dev/tty2': '-bin/sh'
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14:02<retrospectacus>that was you pressing enter
14:02<franzel>retrospectacus: huh?
14:02<retrospectacus>I'd try the network autoconfig again, maybe your switch is just really slow
14:02<franzel>OK
14:02<retrospectacus>on TTY2, you started /bin/sh
14:02<retrospectacus>a while ago
14:03<retrospectacus>so I'd try that again, then check F4 again for errors
14:03<retrospectacus>TTY4
14:03<franzel>how do I get back?
14:03<retrospectacus>Ctrl-Alt F7
14:03<retrospectacus>or maybe F8
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14:03<retrospectacus>or other, ??
14:03<franzel>f5 it is
14:04<franzel>still same problem
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14:05*retrospectacus is out of ideas. Try verifying the DVD like I mentioned
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14:06<retrospectacus>or plug directly into the router if possible
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14:07<franzel_>just bypassed the switch and plugged directly to router and same problem
14:07<franzel_>downloading the live dvd instead now
14:08<retrospectacus>you could try the netinstaller too, it's much smaller
14:08<retrospectacus>!netinst
14:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
14:08<franzel_>however, no one is seeding right now
14:08<retrospectacus>do the ethernet lights blink when it tries DHCP?
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14:08<franzel_>yes
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14:08<babilen>Which NIC is it?
14:09<retrospectacus>10ec:8136 babilen
14:09<babilen>retrospectacus: Thanks (been there already, eh!?)
14:09<retrospectacus>yeah... should "just work"
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14:11<babilen>Agreed - Tried manual configuration? Does the DHCP server see the requests?
14:11<retrospectacus>franzel_: grab the netinstaller, 160MB direct http download
14:11<Bushmills>neither dhclient nor ifconfig found from root console of installer
14:11<Bushmills>but lspci *is*
14:12<franzel_>can't seem to download live cd
14:12<franzel_>ok will get netinstaller
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14:13<retrospectacus>manual configuration is an option too, but it kinda sounds like your DVD is bad
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14:14<franzel>how do you do manual configuration
14:14<franzel>I can try while downloading
14:14<retrospectacus>you choose it instead of "retry network autoconfiguration"
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14:15<franzel>what ip address do I put in?
14:15<franzel>the router gateway address?
14:15<retrospectacus>an available one on your local network
14:15<retrospectacus>no, like 192.168.1.45 or whatever
14:15<franzel>OK...just self assigned
14:16<retrospectacus>as long as it's in the correct range and isn't in use already
14:16<franzel>how about the nameserver?
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14:16<retrospectacus>prrrobably the router, or your ISP's nameservers
14:17<retrospectacus>or failing that, 8.8.8.8 or 4.4.4.4
14:17<retrospectacus>check what your other machine is using
14:17<retrospectacus>the one you're typing on
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14:18<franzel>ok
14:18<franzel>looks like it got past the configuring network, now setting up the clock
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14:18<retrospectacus>scratch 4.4.4.4 - he's not answering me
14:19<franzel>checking my nameserver now
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14:19<franzel>i put the ip address of the router's gateway 192.168.2.1
14:20<retrospectacus>I think you mean "the router"
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14:20<retrospectacus>the router's gateway is at your ISP
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14:20<franzel>sorry meant gateway to router
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14:21<retrospectacus>yes, your PC's gateway should be your router IP
14:21<franzel>And nameserver on the router is the same as DNS Server
14:21<retrospectacus>should be good
14:22<franzel>so far, no problems with install, just got done telling it to use max space on hd and now partiioning
14:22<franzel>and formatting
14:22<retrospectacus>right on
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14:22<franzel>thanks retrospectacus
14:22<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate franzel
14:22<dpkg>Nice one franzel, you did it!
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14:23<franzel>now installing the base system
14:23<retrospectacus>it is still a mystery why dhcp didn't work
14:23<franzel>SWEET!
14:23<retrospectacus>you have no dhclient is the obvious answer
14:23<retrospectacus>but why
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14:24<Sicelo>8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, not 4.4.4.4
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14:24<franzel>muchos gracias retrospectacus and Bushmills and everyone else
14:25<retrospectacus>de nada
14:25<franzel>don't know about the dhclient
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14:25<retrospectacus>thanks Sicelo
14:26<franzel>what ate those numbers for Sicelo
14:27<franzel>hopefully not for my use
14:27<retrospectacus>they are root nameservers - the beginning of DNS as it were
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14:27<retrospectacus>usually you want nameservers that are closer to you though, you're good :)
14:27<franzel>ok thanks retrospectacus
14:28<franzel>will let you know when istall is complete
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14:31<Bushmills>they aren't root servers
14:32<Bushmills>they're just recursive name servers, accessible by public
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14:33<franzel>Actually I will have to leave and let installation complete on it's own. I forgot I need to be in town to work on mother's home
14:33<Bushmills>you couldn't use a root server for general resolving
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14:33<houms>how can i write constant zeros to a file in a loop?
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14:33<franzel>thanks guys and hope to see you guys here after install
14:34<retrospectacus>houms: man yes
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14:34<houms>sweet
14:35<houms>but thats just outputting write not inpurt?
14:35<retrospectacus>houms: or if you prefer, while :; echo -n 0 ; done > file
14:35<Bushmills>houms: dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1 count=number_of_zeroe
14:35<franzel>Before I leave, is there a preference for desktop like gnome?
14:35<retrospectacus>ah yeah /dev/zero :) cat > file < /dev/zero
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14:35<houms>thanks gents,
14:36<houms>what if i want the count= infinite until killed
14:36<houms>?
14:36<retrospectacus>one of mine, or don't specify count
14:37<Bushmills>increase bs to something like 2000000000, for a tighter set of zeroes
14:37<jmr>to be clear, "while :; echo -n 0 ; done > file" gives you the ASCII zero character, rather than binary zero
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14:37<houms>so something like dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1 ?
14:37<jmr>that's probably not what you want
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14:38<Bushmills>bs=2000000000
14:38<houms>oh right sorry
14:39<houms>and that will write infinitely to the file until stopped correct?
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14:39<Bushmills>nope. it will fill your disk, therefore there's no "infinite"
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14:40<houms>i see thanks very much for explaining that
14:40<Bushmills>hm. will fill your file system. not necessarily the disk
14:41<houms>so fill the fs or stop the command, how long will it take to fill up a the FS you think?
14:41<Bushmills>wait and see
14:41<houms>:)
14:42<jmr>open another terminal, use the 'watch'
14:42<jmr>er, the 'watch' command
14:42<retrospectacus>you may use "pv" to see how fast it is writing
14:42<jmr>as in watch ls -lh output_file
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14:43<Bushmills>or watch df
14:43<retrospectacus>apt-get install pv && pv -r < /dev/zero > file
14:43<retrospectacus>not sure how to do it with the dd way
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14:46<jmr>dd sends to stdout if you omit "of=", but since pv writes files to stdout anyway, it makes dd unnecessary for this purpose
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14:58<CookAnEgg>Hello
14:58<retrospectacus>hi
14:58<jmr>salutations!
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15:00<blythl>I am new to debian and I was wondering how the kernel updates work in this distro, e.g. will the kernel that I installed with squeeze ever be update before the next major release comes out?
15:01<stummi>blythl: the stable-kernel will only be updated when there are security issues
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15:01<stummi>blythl: if you want to use a newer kernel, you should see at backports or testing
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15:03<blythl>Actually, I am kind of in a baptism by fire atm. I am trying to make a .deb of a kernel module for squeeze, that code is in the git tree for testing
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15:05<jhutchins_wk>,kernels
15:05<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.1-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-39squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
15:05<blythl>that was cool
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15:06<Bushmills>!bpo
15:06<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
15:06<Bushmills>new kernels go here
15:07<Bushmills>(may) go here, after some time
15:07<franzel>leaving now with installer still running....forgot to thank jhutchins_wk earlier...thanks all
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15:09<babilen>Bushmills: 3.1 and 3.2 *are* in squeeze-backports already. (judd problem)
15:10<jhutchins_wk>franzel: No problem, glad you got it sorted.
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15:11<jmr>i'm trying to dpkg -i libsbuild-perl, which fails because dpkg claims that a dependency, schroot, is not installed. however, 'dpkg -l schroot' shows that i have version 1.4.23-1. why would dpkg show such cognitive dissonance? or am i misunderstanding the output?
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15:11<zlatko>jmr
15:11<zlatko>have you tried with aptitude
15:12<zlatko>aptitude
15:12<zlatko>than
15:12<zlatko> / to search
15:12<zlatko>then search cvhroot
15:12<zlatko>schroot*
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15:15<GNUtoo>hi, is it the right channel to discuss an issue with reaching the freedombox mailing list?
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15:16<jmr>ah, aptitude shows it as not installed
15:16<zlatko>try to install it with aptitude
15:16<zlatko>just pres + then g
15:16<jmr>i need to re-learn what the aptitude flags mean
15:16<GNUtoo>I wonder it's my SMTP provider or the list that has an issue
15:16<zlatko>:D, dont forget im a total noob
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15:17<zlatko>i need help with installing alsa
15:17<GNUtoo>it says:
15:17<zlatko>couse my sound doesent work
15:17<GNUtoo> - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server: freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org; Failed; 5.4.0 (other or undefined network or routing status)
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15:17<zlatko>im trying to install 1.0.25 insted of installed 1.0.23
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15:17<zlatko>has anyone had any problems with sound
15:18<GNUtoo>zlatko, try to see if your sound card is recognized, try alsamixer
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15:18<zlatko>master is at full
15:19<zlatko>headphones are at 5/6
15:19<zlatko>speaker is at 0
15:19<zlatko>PCM has also full bar
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15:19<zlatko>and rest is 0
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15:20<zlatko>my headphones work
15:20<zlatko>i installed debian yesterday for a first time
15:20<zlatko>so i havent tried them
15:21<zlatko>i fixed it
15:22<zlatko>thanks for "alsamixer" command :D
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15:29<zlatko>GNUtoo, can you help me with something
15:29<zlatko>when i installed
15:29<zlatko>debian
15:29<zlatko>with graphical installer
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15:30<zlatko>i overwriten masterboot
15:31<zlatko>it said it shoul be fine, couse i have another partition with win7(and it found windows vista bootloader)
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15:37<GNUtoo>zlatko, I don't run debian sorry, I was here for a mailing list problem
15:37<zlatko>ok
15:37<zlatko>thanks
15:37<GNUtoo>note that finding vista instead of 7 is not a problem
15:37<zlatko>its vista bootloader
15:37<GNUtoo>?
15:38<zlatko>I think it should be the same for
15:38<zlatko>7 and vista
15:38<zlatko>it asked before installing
15:38<zlatko>grub
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15:38<zlatko>is there any way to add it to grub
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15:40<musca>!grub2 config
15:40<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian and Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub#Configuration
15:40<musca>!alsactl
15:40<dpkg>In Squeeze and later Debian releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
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15:40<Black_Prince>I think that OS prober recognises Win 7 as "Vista Loader" assuming they use same boot loader stuff.
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15:41<zlatko>dpkg, i have solved the alsa task
15:41<dpkg>i haven't a clue, zlatko
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15:42<zlatko>my problem is that i have overwritten bootloader, and cant boot in to windows partition
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15:42<zlatko>i had linux partition before
15:42<Black_Prince>zlatko: please run os-prober as root.
15:42<Black_Prince>zlatko: and paste output to paste.debian.net
15:43<zlatko> and paste output to paste.debian.n
15:43<zlatko>/dev/sda1:Windows 7 (loader):Windows:chain
15:43<Black_Prince>zlatko: run update-grub then :)
15:44<Black_Prince>Windows 7 is being detected.
15:44<zlatko>ok thank you very
15:44<zlatko>much
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15:45<jhutchins_wk>Squeeze seems to skip os-prober on the first run.
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15:53<zykotick9>jhutchins_wk: i don't seem to run into an issue with squeeze detecting other gnu/linux installs, is os-prober only required to find MS installs?
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16:04<jhutchins_wk>zykotick9: It's just on the first run of the installer. On reboot it'll default to the new install because that's all that's in grub. It may be a feature as opposed to a bug - after all, why would the first boot after install NOT be to the fresh install?
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16:15<retrospectacus>it is a bug that it fails to even create list entries for Windos
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16:21<jhutchins_wk>retrospectacus: I think that's debatable. It skipps other linux installs too. All you have to do is run update-grub after reboot and it's fine. (I suppose you could run it _before_ reboot.)
16:21<jhutchins_wk>Maybe update-grub should be in some sort of first-run script so it always updates after the first reboot.
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16:22<retrospectacus>!dbugs 604155
16:22<retrospectacus>I believe
16:22<dpkg>#604155:I[grub-pc] Windows 7 not in grub menu (d-i); Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:09:05 UTC [568639 596762]
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16:23<retrospectacus>whether a bug or feature, it confuses and infuriates people :P
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17:07<mhall119>is compizconfig-settings-manager in debian?
17:07<mhall119>or is that just an ubuntu package?
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17:08<retrospectacus>it is
17:08<retrospectacus>in debian
17:09<mhall119>who should I talk to about getting help for an Ubuntu contributor who wants to make some fixes to it?
17:10<retrospectacus>Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org>
17:10<retrospectacus>I guess?
17:10<mhall119>there's no Original-Maintainer field on the ubuntu package, so I'm not sure
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17:57<udoB>Hello! recently I made a upgrade with Debian wheezy. Now the Boot-Messages at startup disappeard after starting kdm. How can I restore the old behavior that leaves the Messages on tty1?
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18:05<Bushmills>try ctrl-alt-F10, then alt-cursorright (possibly repeat several times), whether you get to see them
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18:08<udoB>thanks Bushmills for the Advice, but it did not help
18:08<udoB>I only see the Konsoles F1-F6 and F7 the graphical Screen but no Messages
18:09<Bushmills>then check out /etc/sysctl.conf
18:09<udoB>It seems that F1, where the Messages will be posted, will be now cleared at start
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18:09<udoB>Okay, Bushmills, I check /etc/sysctl.conf
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18:11<Bushmills>ah, just clearing the screen? that's something commonly done by the getty, and configurable
18:12<udoB>Bushmills: in /etc/sysctl.conf are many configurations for ipv4 and ipv6 and one for low-level-messages. I dont know what this for. A special configuration I should look for?
18:12<Bushmills>for example, ngetty knows an option named noclear-first=
18:12<udoB>Yes, Bushmills, it clears the screen, so it looks like
18:12<udoB>Where is the conf-File for getty?
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18:13<Bushmills>option can be specified in /etc/inittab
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18:14<udoB>I heard from this option, but I looked at the inittab earlier and compare it with one from Debian lenny, but no difference. Maybe they turned the default behavior?
18:16<Bushmills>you're likely to use a different getty - ngetty can also use config files, those would be in /etc/ngetty/
18:16<udoB>My getty in /etc/inittab: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
18:17<Bushmills>try man getty
18:17<udoB>okay, i try
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18:19<udoB>Here is something interesting:
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18:19<udoB>--noclear
18:19<udoB> Do not clear the screen before prompting for the login name (the screen
18:19<udoB> is normally cleared).
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18:20<udoB>Where do I insert the option? In /etc/inittab in the Line I posted before, something like: ....respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 --noclear?
18:20<Bushmills>your getty manpage should tell you
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18:21<udoB>Okay, thanks for the Help Bushmills! I leave here and try it. Many thanks!
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18:25<Black_Prince>getty from new util-linux clears screen automaticaly.
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18:32<dwon>Is there a way to do a secure NFSv4 mount *without* having to set up Kerberos, like with pre-shared keys or something?
18:33<Black_Prince>NFS is insecure by definition.
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18:35<dwon>Black_Prince: Why?
18:35<rasta1>holaaaa
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18:40<Black_Prince>dwon: Search google and you'll see for yourself. However NFSv4 may have some security improvements, but I'll still use smb/cifs instead of nfs if I had to (I would not use either of them)
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18:45<dwon>Black_Prince: Search Google for what, exactly? You seem to be slagging "NFS" simply because previous versions used a host-based security model, despite the fact that NFSv4 specifically adds Kerberos support.
18:46<Black_Prince>dwon: as I said, NFSv4 has security improvements. However I don't know anything about kerberos nor it's security model to tell more. Yes - I was talking about previous versions.
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18:47<dwon>Black_Prince: Noted. Thanks for the FUD.
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19:04<dwon>Wow. sshfs is surprisingly fast! I think I'll use that instead of NFS.
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19:11<Posterdati>hi
19:12<Posterdati>please I've got problem runnin nv44a on kernel 3.1 (wheezy), shall I use nouveau instead of dkms?
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19:19<eightyeight>how do i set just link in interfaces(5)?
19:19<eightyeight># ip set eth0 up
19:20<eightyeight>is the command in the terminal, but i need it in the /etc/network/interfaces file
19:20<eightyeight>just "auto eth0"?
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19:21<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: what's the point of bringing up the interface without assigning an address?
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19:21<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: aoe
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19:21<eightyeight>i only need layer 2 networking, not ip
19:21<eightyeight>so, link must exist
19:22<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: so iface eth0 manual
19:22<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: so iface eth0 inet manual, rather.
19:22<chealer>Posterdati: nouveau and dkms are not equivalents
19:22<eightyeight>doesn't 'manual' require ifup(8)/ifdown(8) interaction? link will be set automatically?
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19:23<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: yes, but you can do that using up ip set eth0 up
19:24<dondelelcaro>(and presumably an appropriate down rule)
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19:38<dwon>eightyeight: I think you do something like this:
19:38<dwon>auto eth0
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19:38<dwon>iface eth0 inet manual
19:38<dwon> up ip link set dev eth0 up
19:38<dwon> down ip link set dev eth0 down
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19:40<dwon>You might also replace "auto eth0" with "allow-hotplug eth0", if you're using a pluggable Ethernet adaptor (USB, PCMCIA, etc.)
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19:46<NyQuiL>Hi
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19:46<eightyeight>dwon: cool. thx
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20:04<dwon>!ask
20:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:04<dwon>!smite NyQuiL
20:04*dpkg smites NyQuiL with a plague of frogs
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21:08<eightyeight>when connected to work on the vpn, i would like to take advantage of the work debian repo
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21:08<eightyeight>but, it's not available when i'm not on the vpn
21:08<victor>no hablo ingles
21:08<eightyeight>how can i get access to it when on the vpn, but ignore it when i'm not?
21:08<victor>no hablo ingles
21:08<eightyeight>victor: /jooin #debian-es
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