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---Logopened Sat Jan 28 00:00:51 2012
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00:15<Solarbaby>Greetings like minded individuals ;)
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00:46<Solarbaby>I have debian squeeze 6.0.3 setup and I've noticed that even though a partition is no longer mounted using fstab that its still getting mounted some place else. I am looking for suggestions of where I might look around for other possible system utilities that are mounting this
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00:55<scientes>is this x86?
00:55<scientes>Solarbaby, ?
00:55<scientes>do you have systemd installed ?
00:55<scientes>paste what /proc/cmdline gives you
00:55<Solarbaby>no its running on a nslu2 I forget exactly what kind of proc this has
00:56<Solarbaby>tell me exactly what to type please ;) that helps
00:56<scientes>*cat /proc/cmdline
00:56<Solarbaby>Thanks :)
00:57<Solarbaby>solar:/etc# cat /proc/cmdline
00:57<Solarbaby>console=ttyS0,115200 noirqdebug
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00:58<scientes>wow, my sheevaplug's is: console=ttyS0,115200 ubi.mtd=1 root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rw mtdparts=orion_nand:0x400000@0x100000(uImage),0x1fb00000@0x500000(rootfs) rw ip=192.168.0.50:192.168.0.1 security=tomoyo
00:58<scientes>much longer
00:58<scientes>so thats not it
00:58<Solarbaby>wow
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00:58<scientes>thats the line passed to the kernel from the bootloader
00:58<Solarbaby>I have a pogoplug pink v2 also but thats not what im working with right now
00:59<Solarbaby>I just want to finish the install on the old nslu2 so I can give it to my family
00:59<scientes>yes
00:59<scientes>paste the output of "mount" to pastebin
00:59<Solarbaby>sure will
00:59<Solarbaby>thanks for taking the time
00:59<scientes>and: cat /etc/fstab
00:59<Solarbaby>ok
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01:02<Solarbaby>scientes: http://pastebin.com/uxqFbGRS
01:02<scientes>Solarbaby, and "blkid"
01:03<Solarbaby>ok
01:03<Solarbaby>http://pastebin.com/jxBKW6XK
01:04<scientes>ahh so /mnt/test is being automatically mounted?
01:04<scientes>after you reboot your NSLU2?
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01:04<Solarbaby>well
01:04<Solarbaby>lemme try to explain better ok
01:05<scientes>or was that you mounting it manually?
01:05<Solarbaby>its hard for me to get this straight im a little confused myself
01:05<Solarbaby>/dev/sda6 was originally mounted to /mnt/storage/SHARE/users/downloads
01:05<scientes>if nothing on that partition is important, you could remove it and the swap, and resize things
01:06<scientes>I can see that (downloads dir)
01:06<Solarbaby>I noticed that even though it was mounted to that directory, and even though df -h showed it was mounted to that directory.. I noticed that when I cd into that directory it is only the directory and not the mount at all
01:06<scientes>in fstab
01:06<Solarbaby>Im not sure.. im going to unmount it for now until I figure out what is going on
01:07<scientes>Solarbaby, if it is mounted (to be specific--if cat /proc/mounts-- lists it) then cding into it, will by definition give you that device
01:07<Solarbaby>even when it thinks its mounted its not mounted.. and also when i mounted the same /dev/sda6 to /test it was showing the /mnt/storage/SHARE/users/download directory for some odd reason.. so this makes me think that some other program is also controlling mounting
01:08<scientes>Solarbaby, you can only mount a filesystem once
01:08<scientes>after that you can only use --bind mounts
01:08<Solarbaby>ya it was just listing to me when i cd the directory on /dev/sda1
01:08<Solarbaby>err sda2
01:08<Solarbaby>Oh
01:08<scientes>sda2 is your root directory
01:08<Solarbaby>yes sir
01:08<scientes>if the thing works, then sda2 is working
01:09<Solarbaby>yes sda2 works
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01:11<Solarbaby>scientes is my line in fstab wrong?
01:11<Solarbaby>the one i quoted out
01:11<Solarbaby>hashed out i guess is the right name
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01:14<scientes>no, that line if fine
01:14<scientes>however you don't need the "errors=remount-ro" option
01:14<scientes>that is only useful for root partitions
01:14<scientes>instead you should have the options line read "defaults,noatime" or just "noatime"
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01:16<scientes>also, even if the partitions are ext3, you can put ext4 as the filesystem to get a slight performance improvement
01:16<scientes>but that doesn't address the problem that i still am not sure of
01:17<scientes>oh, have you run "mkdir -p /mnt/storage/SHARE/users/downloads"
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01:19<scientes>Solarbaby,
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01:34<Solarbaby>scientes: Thank You... i've made the corrections and rebooting
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01:40<Solarbaby>scientes: that made a difference because the lost+found is now in that directory.. weird that samba is only reporting that it is 180 megs available and its a 14 gig partition
01:40<Solarbaby>so something still isn't right
01:42<scientes>is samba set to that specific directory?
01:42<Solarbaby>yes it is
01:42<Solarbaby>no it isn't
01:42<scientes>^^^^
01:42<scientes>thats why
01:42<Solarbaby>its specified to a directory just before it
01:43<Solarbaby>/mnt/storage/SHARE/users/ <-- samba and /mnt/storage/SHARE/users/downloads < -- /dev/sda6
01:45<Solarbaby>its deffinately mountd though.. i can't delete the downloads directory
01:45<Solarbaby>you did your part
01:45<Solarbaby>this is just acting funny
01:45<scientes>thats the reason you are seeing those free/used stats
01:45<scientes>but it should work just fine
01:46<scientes>(if people put their files in the downloads directory)
01:46<Solarbaby>i'll try coping something thorugh samba into that directory thats over 200 megs
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01:47<Solarbaby>samba complains there isn't enough free space
01:47<Solarbaby>Hmmm
01:47<Solarbaby>I'll try to scp it in
01:47<scientes>well, you should just point it at the mount then
01:48<Solarbaby>its weird this shouldn't be so funky
01:52<Solarbaby>I remember i had this same issue a few years ago so I just made my / directory the whole size of the disk so I wouldn't have to worry about it
01:53<Solarbaby>I instead started worrying about crashing my OS .. so im back to where I was 2 years ago
01:53<scientes>i don't use samba
01:53<Solarbaby>I have windows users in the house
01:53<scientes>but have never had the type of problems you are talking about
01:53<scientes>I use NFS
01:53<scientes>well, actually now i only use sftp (scp)
01:53<Solarbaby>one day I would like to play with NFS , maybe on my pogoplug when I finally finish this mess
01:54<Solarbaby>I (Heart) scp
01:54<scientes>largely cause its the same set up, while nfs is one more thing to think about
01:54<Solarbaby>been writing scripts to use it lately and I just love it
01:54<scientes>i've never used the scp command---I really like the gvfs integration of sftp in nautilus\
01:54<scientes>which mounts via FUSE in ~/.gvfs for POSIX
01:54<Solarbaby>that must be nice
01:54<Solarbaby>more toys for later
01:55<scientes>and the sheevaplug has aes-128 acceleration
01:55<Solarbaby>I installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my netbook so that i'll be able to play with the gui stuff too eventually
01:55<scientes>although getting openssl support for that takes a little hacking
01:55<Solarbaby>I rally wanted one of those sheevaplugs.. but this Pogoplug was on $30 on amazon just a month ago
01:55<scientes>you need a recent kernel and to compile an openssl module to add the hardware AES acceleration
01:56<scientes>isn't the pogoplug a sheevaplug?
01:56<scientes>its the same hardware
01:56<Solarbaby>its the same hardware.. cept you have more ram
01:56<Solarbaby>im limited to 254 on the pogo v2
01:56<Solarbaby>256
01:56<scientes>sounds like you got a better deal
01:56<Solarbaby>you might have a faster prc too
01:56<Solarbaby>$30 is a really good deal
01:56<scientes>there is also the rasberry pi which is $25/$35, and just launched
01:57<scientes>however the new d2plug is a ARMv7, with VFP
01:57<Solarbaby>and I have 3 of these old nslu2 servers.. but they only have 32 megs of ram and 233 mhz proc
01:57<Solarbaby>I think armv7 might be too new
01:57<Solarbaby>not sure who supports that yet
01:57<scientes>Solarbaby, not at all
01:57<scientes>the new debian armhf distro targets it
01:58<scientes>*distro/arch
01:58<Solarbaby>I had no idea.. I come from projects like nslu2 user base and debian on pogoplug userbase
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01:58<Solarbaby>almost decided to put arch on the pogo but it broke my heart leaving debian
01:58<scientes>Solarbaby, http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort
01:59<Solarbaby>so I found a nice howto install debian on pogo
01:59<scientes>are you using emdebian?
01:59<scientes>well, if you are using SD it really isn't that important
01:59<Solarbaby>im using debian squeeze 6.0.3 .. thats really all i know
01:59<scientes>only if you target the internal 512 flash
01:59<scientes>http://emdebian.org/
01:59<scientes>its binary compatible with emdebian----it just has the man pages and translations removed
01:59<scientes>except the specific translations you install
02:00<scientes>which makes it like 2/3rds the size
02:00<scientes>I largely wrote this wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_API_%28Linux%29
02:01<scientes>which links to the openssl plugin for AES acceleration (useful for the Kirkwood, i.e. sheevaplug)
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02:01<scientes>you will also need a recent kernel, not the one that comes stock
02:01<Solarbaby>that is so totally passed what i understand
02:01<Solarbaby>hahah
02:02<Solarbaby>Im trying hear though
02:02<Solarbaby>main prob is I don't know anyone in person who uses linux
02:02<scientes>the sheevaplug (marvell kirkwood family of ARM), has hardware acceleration of AES (encryption)
02:02<Solarbaby>that might be good for VPN?
02:03<scientes>IPSEC will be accelerated out of the box, but for openssl (ssh, TLS/HTTPS, and scp) you have to do some additional stuff
02:03<Solarbaby>alright your talking my level now
02:04<scientes>is the wikipedia page understandable?
02:04<Solarbaby>not to me
02:04<Solarbaby>barely
02:04<scientes>eek, how can i make it better?
02:04<Solarbaby>just not enough words that I understand in there
02:05<Solarbaby>you made it much more clear in irc what it does, and that wiki page to me didn't give me any ideas exactly how i'd use it
02:06<scientes>im rewriting it right now
02:06<scientes>give me a sec
02:06<Solarbaby>cool
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02:12<Solarbaby>scientes this mounting problem is frustrating
02:12<scientes>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_API_%28Linux%29#Userspace_interfaces
02:12<scientes>is that better?
02:12<Solarbaby>im no closer now then 2 years ago
02:12<Solarbaby>checking
02:13<scientes>how does it work if you mount to the same as the samba share?
02:13<scientes>and then put a directory in the partition called "downloads"
02:15<Solarbaby>i'll try
02:15<Solarbaby>btw not sure that wiki page updated yet.. looks the same
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02:16<scientes>I didn't write the lead
02:16<scientes>just the "userspace" subsection
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02:17<Solarbaby>scientes: even though i've now mounted it to mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/storage/SHARE/users even though it sez its mounted all the user directories and everything else is still there.. so that means its not mounted
02:17<Solarbaby>there should be nothing but 14 gigs of blank space on /dev/sda6
02:17<scientes>did you unmount the other mountpoint first?
02:17<Solarbaby>I did
02:18<Solarbaby>so its showing me a fake mount.. nothing actually tehre
02:18<Solarbaby>df -h shows a fake
02:18<scientes>you can also just change it in fstab and then do mount -o remount /dev/by-uuid/.... for further referencfe
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02:18<Solarbaby>lets try that if you think it will do it
02:19<Solarbaby>im sure there is something im just not understanding on my own, after all 2 years is multiple upgrades etc
02:19<Solarbaby>this is a fresh install too
02:20<scientes>well, I don't really deal with samba
02:20<Solarbaby>its not just samba
02:20<Solarbaby>its bash itself
02:20<Solarbaby>im using samba to report how much free space is in the directory because I don't know how any other way
02:21<scientes>df -h should work
02:21<Solarbaby>df -h reports it falsely
02:21<scientes>that is the standard POSIX way
02:21<scientes>and fdisk -l to see the raw disks
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02:21<scientes>how about df -k
02:21<scientes>what do you mean by "falsely"
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02:22<Solarbaby>for instance
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02:22<scientes>I've never had a problem with that command, on ext or any other filesystem (its implamented by the filesystem)
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02:23<scientes>tmpfs will generally report available=half of system ram
02:23<scientes>*size=half of system ram
02:23<scientes>is that what you are seeing?
02:23<scientes>how about a paste of df -h
02:23<Solarbaby>i just mounted "mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/storage/SHARE/users/ and then i cd into /mnt/storage/SHARE/users and instead of seeing 14 gigs of empty partion I see all my users home directories.. so doesn't that mean even though df -h shows its mounted, but cd'ing into the directory shows that its not mounted? right?
02:24<scientes>this is my sheevaplug for eexample: http://pastebin.com/N9XJCdP8
02:25<scientes>kinda wondering why my root gets mounted twice, but since it works fine i dont really ask
02:26<Solarbaby>i have 2 mounts from tmpfs maybe thats whats stopping me?
02:26<scientes>(its being mounted by kernel parameters, not via /etc/fstab)
02:26<Solarbaby>ah yeah
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02:26<Solarbaby>I don't really understand initramfs yet
02:27<Solarbaby>maybe the key is in there
02:27<scientes>definitely not
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02:27<scientes>and you probably arn't using it anyways
02:27<scientes>the real purpose of initramfs is to get filesystems mounted
02:27<scientes>so that it can then pivit_root and use the real system
02:27<Solarbaby>the folks on the nslu2 board say that it is being used on this distro for us
02:27<scientes>all it contains is kernel drivers
02:28<Solarbaby>okie
02:28<Solarbaby>I hate being lost in something that should be so simple
02:28<Solarbaby>when things don't work its sometimes hard to find an answer
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02:29<scientes>initramfs also implaments the boot fsck and boot logo stuff I believe, but that is secondary
02:30<Solarbaby>that sounds familiar
02:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 449] by debhelper
02:30<Solarbaby>I was playing around with bootup earlier cause this doesn't always bootup every time i turn it on
02:30<Solarbaby>which is why i added UUID to fstab
02:30<scientes>UUID is best
02:31<Solarbaby>still doesn't boot EVERY time so i added a delay-root,9 somewhere.. hasn't helped 100% but its working a little better then before
02:31<scientes>eek, that sounds horrible
02:31<Solarbaby>it is
02:31<Solarbaby>this upgrade is so much more unstable then the previous version that I somehow delt with any bugs
02:31<Solarbaby>but for security reasons I upgraded.. sigh
02:32<Solarbaby>china hacked me a few days ago so I knew it was time
02:33<Solarbaby>i think they got in through my bad ssh-key
02:34<scientes>what kernel version is that
02:34<Solarbaby>broke my heart.. i had that system exactly how i wanted it, but it wa out of date
02:34<scientes>there was a privilidge escalation bug between 2.6.38 and 3.2.1
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02:34<Solarbaby>my current kernel now? or the previous?
02:34<scientes>that just got fixed
02:34<Solarbaby>my prevous was lenny
02:34<Solarbaby>so
02:34<Solarbaby>it was OLD
02:34<scientes>current
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02:35<scientes>it is fixed in current version
02:35<scientes>neways
02:35<Solarbaby>im current now so
02:35<Solarbaby>just installed yesterday
02:35<scientes>OK, this was like a week ago---also I think squeeze was released before this problem started
02:35<Solarbaby>did my apt-get dist-upgrade and eveything and it checks out
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02:36<scientes>but geeze, not booting up every time
02:36<Solarbaby>nod
02:36<Solarbaby>its been a rough start literally
02:36<Solarbaby>heh
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02:36<Solarbaby>i boot from a usb flash drive
02:36<scientes>ahh only 8MD flash
02:37<scientes>so the kernel is on the flash? or the SD?
02:37<Solarbaby>SD.. everything is on the sd
02:37<Solarbaby>oh
02:37<Solarbaby>im sorry
02:37<Solarbaby>I mispoke
02:37<scientes>where is the boot crashing?
02:37<Solarbaby>everything is on the usb flash drive
02:37<Solarbaby>sorry
02:37<scientes>well i'm just interested, i've never had this device
02:38<Solarbaby>its just like the pogoplug only slower
02:38<Solarbaby>a LOT slower
02:38<Solarbaby>233 mhz proc on nslu2 and pogoplug is 1.2 ghz
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02:42<scientes>and only 32 mb ram, so basically useless
02:42<Solarbaby>almost worthless, but I've got uses for it
02:43<scientes>it would be cool if you could use XIP (execute in place) from the NAND flash to get slightly better ram utilization
02:43<scientes>i.e. the kernel doesn't copy itsself to RAM
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02:43<Solarbaby>it can download at about 300 kbs/s so I have scripts taht grab my podcasts and some other media that I consume every day
02:44<Solarbaby>at 5 watts its useful
02:44<Solarbaby>I even managed to get sabnzbdplus working on it
02:44<Solarbaby>its a bit of a stretch though cause I have to use virtual memory
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02:47<Solarbaby>brb.. need some food for thought
02:47<scientes>sheevapug also is 5 watts
02:48<scientes>as is rasberry pi @ $25 && $35
02:48<scientes>but have 128, 256, and 512 MB ram
02:48<scientes>and the d2plug @ $250 has 1GB DDR3 with VFP
02:50<scientes>Solarbaby, btw, you know anything about multiseat?
02:50<scientes>most of IRC is dead on friday night
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02:57<Solarbaby>oh yeah its friday
02:57<Solarbaby>I live in a small town
02:57<Solarbaby>not much here unless you gamble or drink
02:57<Solarbaby>no I don't know a single thing about multiseat.. sounds familiar but I can't think of anything
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02:58<EmleyMoor>I can't log into my horde3 framework - no error message in the browser, it just throws me back to the login page... in the access.log it says the username or password was entered incorrectly (false).
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02:59<Solarbaby>Hi EmleyMoor, I have no experience with that, just didn't want you to think I was ignoring ya :)
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03:01<scientes>EmleyMoor, have you tried IMAP or POP3?
03:01<scientes>I have not used horde, but I have used squirrelmail and roundcube
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03:02<EmleyMoor>imap constantly working. icedove, and k9mail on my phone, are both connecting to it successfully
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03:05<Solarbaby>scientes: I used to love squirrelmail! neat.. Im totally into gmail now though
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03:05<Solarbaby>these days im too fearful to run a mailserver
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03:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... only seems to fail in https - in http it's working
03:09<EmleyMoor>(and logging out there fixes the problem, but no idea why it fails ITFP!)
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03:14<ayaka>onething I don't understand my ethnetcard is RTL8111/8168B why I neend 8169's driver in kernel?
03:16<scientes><EmleyMoor> Hmmm... only seems to fail in https - in http it's working
03:16<scientes>does horde do its own http or use another web server?, I forget.....
03:17<scientes>Solarbaby, squirrelmail is old-school compared to roundcube
03:17<scientes>which has drag-n-drop
03:17<EmleyMoor>scientes: It uses apache
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03:17<Solarbaby>scientes: I'll check that out for shits and giggles.. Thanks for the update
03:19<scientes>EmleyMoor, are you getting any certification warnings?
03:19<scientes>is it a self-signed certificate?
03:19<ayaka>slapd don't use /etc/ldap/slapd.conf anymore?
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03:19<EmleyMoor>scientes: No and no - it's signed by a recognised CA
03:19<Solarbaby>scientes: you were right if i point samba directly at the mount point then it reads the true size of the partition
03:20<Solarbaby>scientes: you are very gifted.. Thanks for pointing that out
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03:21<scientes>samba is a high quality piece of software, if it didn't do that it would be a bug
03:22<Solarbaby>i wish I didn't have to point right at it.. now i have to rethink things out
03:22<Solarbaby>at least I can make it work
03:22<scientes>Solarbaby, no you don't
03:22<scientes>you can point sambe where you were, and create a download folder in that, on the partition
03:23<scientes>mounting the partition one folder higher
03:23<Solarbaby>isn't that what I was doing in the first place?
03:23<scientes>no
03:23<scientes>you were mounting the partition to the download folder
03:23<Solarbaby>Oh!
03:23<Solarbaby>I get you now
03:23<scientes>yes
03:23<Solarbaby>I love you!
03:24<Solarbaby>hahaha
03:24<Solarbaby>Thanks!
03:24<scientes>its not that complicated, but it _is_ the flexibility of Linux
03:24<scientes>GNU/Linux
03:24<Solarbaby>took me all night to solve that prob
03:24<Solarbaby>heh
03:24<scientes>but if it had a "not enough space" error when copying to the downloads folder, that still would be a bug
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03:30<Solarbaby>still no sucess
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03:30<Solarbaby>hmph
03:31<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... if I want an ssl certificate for courier, what "certificate target" at startssl.com is suitable?
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03:39<Solarbaby>I think samba has a bug
03:39<ayaka>Solarbaby, which?
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03:41<Solarbaby>samba is mounted here /mnt/storage/SHARE/users and I have an aditional partition mounted here /mnt/storage/SHARE/users/downloads but samba doesn't see that as a partition it sees it as a directory and never links to it
03:41<Solarbaby>did that make sense?
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03:42<EmleyMoor>Is an ssl certificate for apache also suitable for courier running on the same host?
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04:33<scientes>EmleyMoor, the standard one
04:33<scientes><EmleyMoor> Is an ssl certificate for apache also suitable for courier running on the same host?
04:33<scientes>yes
04:33<EmleyMoor>Oh right
04:34*EmleyMoor might update his certificate anyway
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04:46<ayaka>slapd don't use /etc/ldap/slapd.conf anymore?
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04:47<ayaka>I hear that pure-ftp is much safe than vsftp,is that true?
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04:55<Li_milisch2>hiho, im installing debian 6 on a laptop which has win7 already installed! a tutorial says, its an oppurtunity to install the bootloader not to the MBR! instead i could use simple a other partition!
04:55<Li_milisch2> /dev/hda is MBR
04:55<Li_milisch2> /dev/hda1 is on my first partition?
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04:56<wm>(beware, i'm not sure) - yes.
04:56<wm>hda is the hdd itself
04:56<wm>hda1 is a partition
04:57<wm>that is 100% sure, but im not sure what happens when you install the bootloader in hda1
04:57<Li_milisch2>hda1 is probably the one where win7 is installed! could i go with hda1`? or should i use hda2`?
04:57<wm>does the system boot already in debian?
04:57<Li_milisch2>or should i just go with the MBR as anyone does?^^
04:57<Li_milisch2>no, its in install setup
04:57<wm>if yes do a simple df -h or so and see where the linux is installed under
04:58<wm>hda1 or hda2
04:58<wm>but yes, hda1 is probably the windows
04:58<Li_milisch2>its a 500gig drive! this drive was splitted into 2 250gig partitions by default
04:58<Li_milisch2>partiton 1 win7
04:58<Li_milisch2>partition 2 data recory
04:59<Li_milisch2>now, during the debian setup i resized the win7 partition into two 120gig drives
04:59<Li_milisch2>now :D i am not sure
04:59<wm>uh a bad idea
04:59<wm>im not sure if the W7 will still boot with this
04:59<wm>2008/7 is quite bitchy about hdd resizing
05:00<Li_milisch2>debian tells me it was found an windows bootloader and i could use the MBR
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05:00<wm>yea this should work then
05:00<Li_milisch2>so i just go with the MBR?
05:00<Li_milisch2>oki :D
05:00<wm>usualy you install the linux bootloader, yes
05:00<wm>it will detect the windows
05:00<wm>and add an option to boot it
05:00<wm>unlike Windows which can not boot linux
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05:00<wm>(well can, but way harder to conf)
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05:01<Li_milisch2>well, it worked! got now the linux bootloader with linux, and win 7 thx
05:01<wm>;)
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05:02<wm>just remember
05:02<wm>thuis does not work when you install windows after the debian
05:02<wm>or recover it etc
05:02<Li_milisch2>ye, thats why i ask!
05:02<wm>in case this happens
05:02<wm>you should boot with a bootdisc and try grub-instaöö /dev/hda
05:02<wm>*install
05:03<wm>then it should work again
05:03<Li_milisch2>lolz! i installed the netinstall image and i dont have any window manager :D could i go with fvwm?
05:03<wm>hm surprising
05:03<wm>usualy the netinstall image has a point to select to install a gui also
05:03<Li_milisch2>i dont want kde or gnome! i want a thiny one
05:03<wm>xfce maybe?
05:03<Li_milisch2>i wasnt able to setup the w-lan correctly
05:03<wm>yea wlan is a bit bitchy
05:04<Li_milisch2>is xfce customizable?
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05:04<wm>yea heavily
05:04<Li_milisch2>well, ye
05:04<wm>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Xfce-4.4.png
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05:05<Li_milisch2>first of all i need to config my w-lan ...
05:05<Li_milisch2>has wpa2 or something
05:05<wm>i guess you need a driver
05:05<Li_milisch2>ye
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05:05<wm>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
05:06<wm>it is easier to install wlan later when you have a gui
05:06<wm>if you have a wowrking wired network now
05:06<Li_milisch2>wow, is there another image instead the small netinstall which is max 600mb large?
05:07<wm>ye normal cd
05:07<wm>does not need internet for base install then
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05:07<Li_milisch2>i guess i better go with an 600mb image then ye
05:09<wm>if you have internet it does not matter much
05:09<Li_milisch2>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/
05:09<Li_milisch2>just the cd1?
05:09<Li_milisch2>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso
05:09<wm>i guess you can install a base system onlöy with CD1
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05:10<wm>not sure about it, i always use netinstall
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05:11<Li_milisch2>will try it ! my sys is fucked! lol, doesnt load win 7 anymore^^
05:11<Li_milisch2>awwww learning by doing :D gotta go now but thx
05:11<wm>:(
05:11<wm>np
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05:11<Li_milisch2>doesnt matter^^ new laptop,, cu
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05:13<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... ended up not with TLS (or at least, not just...) but SSL!
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05:49<kikinovak>Hi. Anyone knows if I'm allowed to use the sign "-" in a username and group name ?
05:49<kikinovak>something like user-1 and group-1 ?
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05:58<ayaka>I hear that pure-ftp is much safe than vsftp,is that true?
05:59<ayaka>kikinovak, what is your problem?
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06:05<kikinovak>ayaka: I'd like to know if I can use the sign "-" in a username and/or a groupname.
06:05<kikinovak>that's all
06:05<ayaka>kikinovak, try it
06:05<kikinovak>ok
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07:18<ayaka>when use postfix with database, i should create some table like virtual_domains ?
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07:23<grummund>Hi, after installing a new kernel (from backports) what should i do to make it the default boot option?
07:23<Li_milisch2>hello, how to find the correct w-lan driver for my system?
07:23<Merpati>hello
07:23<Merpati>op
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07:28<Li_milisch2>grummund, depends on the bootloader u use
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07:29<pasQ10>!list
07:29<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
07:30<Li_milisch2>i am not really familiar with this ! but afaik u have to edit the .conf
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07:30<Li_milisch2>:D
07:30<Li_milisch2>hello, how to find the correct w-lan driver for my system?
07:30*grummund ran update-grub and reboot, but it stays with the old kernel
07:31<ayaka>I hear that pure-ftp is much safe than vsftp,is that true?
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07:33<Black_Prince>ftp isn't safe at all ... But if you must, use one that better suits you. See /msg dpkg ftp must die
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07:37<aim1159>how can one find all "standard" priority packages with either apt-cache or aptitude?
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07:39<mosno>aim1159: it's detailed in the aptitude manual... aptitude search ~pstandard
07:39<mosno>aim1159: note NOT the manpage
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07:40<Black_Prince>it's also on tasksel man page.
07:40<Black_Prince>er, wiki page
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07:41<aim1159>mosno: thanks!
07:42<aim1159>Black_Prince: tasksel is broken for now (i'm installing sid from wheeze install cd). it shows task uids instead of names.
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07:42<Black_Prince>Yeah, I've seen that.
07:42<Black_Prince>Also s/wheeze(wheezy/
07:42<Black_Prince>erm, that got out wrong.
07:43<Li_milisch2>awww! my win 7 installation is broken
07:43<Black_Prince>Standard task installs ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant
07:43<Black_Prince>Other tasks have metapackages ... task-laptop, task-webserver ... etc
07:44<aim1159>Black_Prince: i wonder why standard tasks were not converted into metapackages?!
07:44<Black_Prince>Don't ask me
07:44<aim1159>:)
07:44<Li_milisch2>someone knows hot to deal with a already installed win 7 after debian 6 install which is then broken?
07:44<Li_milisch2>hot=how
07:44<Black_Prince>Maybe because it's easier to give package standard priority then to add it as metapackage dependecies.
07:44<Black_Prince>Li_milisch2: define "broken"
07:45<AgentC>hi
07:45<AgentC>how to install/test gnome3 on debian squeeze ? :-)
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07:45<Li_milisch2>Black_Prince , i can not boot anymore! i installed the bootloader to MBR and i get the selection but when i try to run win 7 my laptop restarts
07:45<mosno>AgentC: you pretty much can't
07:46<mosno>AgentC: unless you want to build it yourself from upstream, i guess
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07:47<Nazcafan>hey, I am running testing and gnome 3.2, and the battery icon is not showing up
07:47<Nazcafan>any clue?
07:47<panko>Li_milisch2: it seems a win problem, not debian, but... Have you tried boot win7 and press f8 for a menu?
07:48<Li_milisch2>yes, i already tried that!
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07:48<panko>and?
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07:48<Li_milisch2>it must be a problem with the bootloader
07:49<Li_milisch2>it doesnt boot ... dunno
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07:49<Black_Prince>http://askubuntu.com/questions/79912/windows-7-restarts-pc-when-selected-from-grub-menu
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07:50<Li_milisch2>thats the exact same problem
07:51<Black_Prince>and has a solution that requires win7 cd ...
07:51<Black_Prince>+ debian install media for restoring grub later.
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07:54<Li_milisch2>i heard somewhere that using the MBR is not recommended for win7+linux installation ?! oO! instead i should install the linux bootloader into an other partition
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07:54<Li_milisch2>does it matter in which partition?
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07:55<Black_Prince>MBR is not partition ... MBR is partitioning type. And there is GPT now ... Maybe that's what you've heard about.
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07:55<Li_milisch2>crappy crap shitty shit :( clueless
07:55<Li_milisch2>Master Boot Record.....
07:56<Li_milisch2>i installed the bootloader into the MBR thats usually /dev/hda (whole drive)
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07:56<Li_milisch2>instead i should use e.g. /dev/hda1
07:56<aim1159>oh! great! i can type ~pstandard into the list (l button) functionality and have all standard packages shown.
07:57<Black_Prince>But then you could not boot Debian
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07:57<Li_milisch2>i should be able! the windows bootloader should display debian and windows
07:58<Li_milisch2>but didnt tried it yet! its my very first debian install on a windows 7 laptop
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07:58<Li_milisch2>i really hoped on irc are alot of ppls that already know how to deal with win7+debian6
07:59<Li_milisch2>well, i first try to repair my win7 install
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08:00<gruetzkopf>Li_milisch2, whats your problem
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08:01<Li_milisch2>wow, u know what? i give a fuck on win7 on my laptop :D i do have win on my pc, i go for debian only on my laptop now
08:01<Black_Prince>Yeah we know ... Purge windows an be free of any problems.
08:01<Li_milisch2>fuck that :=)
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08:01<Black_Prince>Or rather, try to keep family friendly conversation.
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08:01<Li_milisch2>was not insulting anyone
08:02<gruetzkopf>well, i have win7 and debian6 on this laptop
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08:02<Black_Prince>Well, at least don't swear like that.
08:02<gruetzkopf>i have 2 hard drives
08:02<Li_milisch2>gruetzkopf, i had win 7 already installed.
08:02<Li_milisch2>then i installed debian 6
08:02<Li_milisch2>but now my win 7 install does not boot
08:02<gruetzkopf>but grub resides on the win7 disk
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08:05<firdaus>aew
08:05<Black_Prince>I have Win XP and Debian on same disk if that can help.
08:05<gruetzkopf>hmm
08:05<ayaka>Black_Prince, thank you
08:05<ayaka>when use postfix with database, i should create some table like virtual_domains ?
08:06<gruetzkopf>i may throw debian on my thinkpad soon-ish
08:06<Black_Prince>ayaka: I think there is some tutorial on howtoforge website ... I don't know how safe would that setup be, to be honest. Some claim for it to be wrong, while I have tried it and I did not experience anything wrong tough. And that tutorial mentions virtual domains.
08:06<SynrG>i have vague recollections of win7 having particular challenges wrt mbr, that it likes to write things into the mbr that could break grub after first boot back into win7.
08:07<SynrG>(but also that those things can be turned off)
08:07<SynrG>sorry i haven't any information more definite than that. win7 isn't a part of my world.
08:07<ayaka>Black_Prince, in fact,what I'm concerbed is that I must do it by hand postfix can't create table itself?
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08:08<aim1159>is aptitude still the recommended utility to install packages in debian?
08:08<Black_Prince>ayaka: I'm afraid no. You have to create it by yourself - unless Debian folks already did something that auto installs it - But I doubt that.
08:08<Black_Prince>dpkg: why aptitude
08:08<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
08:08<Black_Prince>dpkg: why not aptitude
08:08<dpkg>Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
08:09<ayaka>Black_Prince, I see, I should find a way to enhance my memories
08:09<aim1159>Black_Prince: it's not the answer to _my_ question.
08:09<Black_Prince>There is no prefered tool. Use whatever you like to.
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08:10<Black_Prince>I was refering to this message: most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well.
08:10<Li_milisch2>afaik, aptitude is still recommended aim1159
08:10<ayaka>another problem,I can't set user's mail size in postfix's database's user setting,why I need quato?
08:10<Li_milisch2>and u have to decide aptitude or apt but not both together
08:11<Black_Prince>ayaka: there are postfix vda patches that are not by default applied to debian packages. They add quota capability to postfix. http://vda.sourceforge.net or whatever.
08:12<Black_Prince>Who told that you can't use both together? You can .. I use apt at most, but tend to use aptitude at some points.
08:12<ayaka>Black_Prince, I know,that but a book tell me do that in dovecot,what is different in set user size between quato?
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08:13<Black_Prince>ayaka: I'm afraid I don't quite understand you ... If you can link me to the part of the book I may be to answer.
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08:14<Black_Prince>s/be/be able/
08:15<ayaka>Black_Prince, but it's chinese and non-free book(I'm chinese ,amn't I,download is easy)
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08:15<Black_Prince>ah ok ..
08:16<Li_milisch2>black_prince, aptitude is still recommended on debian.org and debian.org says: dont use em togehter! it can mess up the dependencies and such
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08:16<SynrG>Li_milisch2: wrong. please link to where it says that.
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08:16<Black_Prince>Both are wrong.
08:17<MarcosRCC>for installing dovecot/roundcube/postfix there is an automatic tool which I have used. Brillant specially for a newbie in email servers as I am: http://www.iredmail.org/
08:17<Li_milisch2>synrg http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-dpkgundco.html
08:17<Black_Prince>debian.de != debian.org
08:17<babilen>Li_milisch2: That is not debian.org
08:17*Black_Prince saluts babilen
08:17<Li_milisch2>well, thats right
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08:18<SynrG>Li_milisch2: if you want some official doc on aptitude vs apt-get, please see:
08:18<SynrG>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_literal_apt_get_literal_literal_apt_cache_literal_vs_literal_aptitude_literal
08:18<Li_milisch2>debian.de tells me that we should decide which one! we not should use both togehter! and this is wrong? it doesnt matter anymore?
08:19<Black_Prince>It's wrong that you trust random sites more than people that work on Debian.
08:19<babilen>Li_milisch2: You might want to mention it in #debian.de -- The information is wrong as you can (nowadays) use apt-get and aptitude together without problems. That wasn't always the case which is why you still find this recommendation on some websites.
08:19<SynrG>Li_milisch2: sorry, i don't read german, so i can't tell what that says. yes, it is wrong. there is no "anymore". it never was right.
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08:19<SynrG>babilen: wasn't always the case? what were the problems?
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08:20<SynrG>i can't remember a time when using apt-get + aptitude together caused problems for me.
08:20<Li_milisch2>it messed up the bibliotheces afaik
08:20<Li_milisch2>or, it was possible...
08:20<babilen>SynrG: I disagree -- aptitude's and apt-get's handling of automatically installed packages were different, which *could* result in not-intended package removals if you switch back and forth.
08:20<Li_milisch2>cuz they used different ones
08:20<Black_Prince>That was rather a fact that they were not skilled enough :)
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08:20<SynrG>babilen: you never get not intended package removals if you preview the removals first and press 'n' if they look insane
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08:21<SynrG>so i stand by my assertion :)
08:21<babilen>SynrG: Absolutely, but that assumes that people actually read and think.
08:21<Li_milisch2>babilen : loL
08:21<SynrG>ok. so for people who don't read and think, yes, it could have caused problems.
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08:22<ayaka>Black_Prince, thank you
08:23<ayaka>another thing,slapd don't use /etc/ldap/slapd.conf anymore?
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08:24<SynrG>anyway, see the doc i linked above from debian-reference. i think that adequately covers what each is good for. personally, i use both because each has their strengths. apt-get for daily stuff and aptitude for the things it is good for, or when i can't be bothered to try to manually resolve problems and think aptitude may give me better results
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08:24<Black_Prince>Erm, I think it does ... But it's handled by Debian postinst script.
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08:24<SynrG>(and yes, debian-reference says aptitude is good for "daily interactive package management". the fact that i don't use it for that is a personal choice)
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08:25<babilen>*interactive*
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08:25<SynrG>right. that's the bit that annoys me.
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08:25<SynrG>i'd rather my tool just outright fail and let me figure it out than try to be "smart" ... because i'm impatient.
08:26*babilen uses both as well -- apt-get most of the time and aptitude whenever I need fancy package selections or its interactive resolver or .. :)
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08:26<SynrG>most of the time i get faster results manually resolving conflicts than letting aptitude take me on some wild goose chase through all the possible solutions
08:27<Black_Prince>I use apt at most, but tend to use aptitude here and now
08:27<Li_milisch2>synrg, why not create some aliases? the only thing why i would use apt-get instead of aptitude is the word itself! it faster to type in apt-get instead aptitude so therefore i created some aliases
08:27<SynrG>that has got to be the absolutely worst reason i've ever heard for using one over the other
08:27<Li_milisch2>:D
08:27<ayaka>sometime I need repo,but sometime depend and conficl is a big problem
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08:28<SynrG>but yes, if typing *one* extra character annoys you, use aliases
08:28<babilen>Li_milisch2: apti<TAB> apt-g<TAB> :)
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08:28<Li_milisch2>but when aptitude can absoultely do the same thing as apt why u decide to use apt for daily work?
08:28<SynrG>er, i just explained?
08:28<Li_milisch2>babilen: alias get-app, search-app remove-app for aptitude stuff was my favorite :D
08:28<SynrG>< SynrG> most of the time i get faster results manually resolving conflicts than letting aptitude take me on some wild goose chase through all the possible solutions
08:29<SynrG>it's maddening how much time aptitude wastes
08:29<Li_milisch2>ok :D excuse
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08:29<Li_milisch2>and i only run a media laptop for personal use! so whatsoever :D
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08:36<ayaka>another thing I want to know is that how to know how much database in my postgresql
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08:38<AgentC>is there support-chan for gnome3 ?
08:38<franzel>got debian running last night and configuring my router to port forward...however, when I open up configuration page, it has two boxes for the Inbound port...any ideas?
08:38<SynrG>!gnome-shell
08:38<dpkg>The GNOME Shell is the core user interface for the <GNOME> desktop as of version 3, replacing GNOME Panel. http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org. See also <mutter>.
08:39<franzel>I tried 80 on first box and 80 on second box...tells me gotta have a number between 1 - 65535
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08:39<Black_Prince>AgentC: If you mean gnome3 in Debian, then probably #debian-next, otherwise - see dpkg's message.
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08:41<AgentC>Black_Prince: i would like to test gnome3, i've squeeze installed, so it seems to be a build neccessary. i am searching information how to do this successfully
08:41<priv1>apt-get install gnome ?
08:41<Black_Prince>AgentC: gnome3 is in wheezy/sid ... Why bother building it? I've done it and it's pita ...
08:43<AgentC>Black_Prince: what means pita !?
08:43<stummi>pain in the ass
08:43<Black_Prince>pain in the ass ...
08:43<stummi>btw, not building gnome3 is pita. gnome3 itself is pita ;)
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08:44<Black_Prince>No, building it is even worst :)
08:44<Black_Prince>Believe me ...
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08:44<stummi>okay
08:44<stummi>AgentC: learn how to use apt-preferences and pinning
08:45<Black_Prince>Erm, In NO way do mix stable and testing/unstable!
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08:45<stummi>okay, neweer tried this. But mixing testing, unstable and experimental is no problem, so i thought stable and testing would work too
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08:46<AgentC>is what what it's worth it to install?
08:46<stummi>AgentC: in this case, learn how to use apt-preferences and pinning together with backports ;)
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08:46<Black_Prince>testing and unstable is close ... and experimental is built against unstable packages and it's close too ... so that is no problem.
08:46<Black_Prince>but stable and testing are far of each other ...
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08:46<AgentC>sorry, is there something what will be better then gnome2 !? :)
08:47<stummi>AgentC: fvwm :)
08:47<Black_Prince>AgentC: to be honest, I like gnome2 more than gnome3 ... shell is somehow crappy . I run gnome3 in classic mode.
08:47<stummi>AgentC: it depends what you mean with "better"? Configurability, Usability, intuitivity?
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08:48<Black_Prince>And also when you mention configurability ... They did good job to hide most of configuration options ...
08:48<stummi>I switched to fvwm after gnome 3 came into testing. It wars some pain in the first days, but now i am very happy with this
08:48<stummi>very, very happy :)
08:48<Black_Prince>You have to dig through dconf/gconf stuff to get your settings right!
08:49<AgentC>stummi: as i took a look to kde plasma desk, it looks like, cool feeling, but it crashs all the time and is full of bugs. gnome2 is stable but just a kind of windows.
08:49<stummi>kde is a kind of windows too
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08:49<AgentC>yep, i like the 3d cube effekt :)
08:49<Black_Prince>KDE is not bad .. But it's too much for my hardware :) ...
08:50<Black_Prince>But still it's evil. Too much K's in it! /me runs
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08:50<AgentC>yep, that's also a point i critisize :) too much runtime requirements
08:51<AgentC>stummi: how to install fvwm !? it is useable like gnome2 ?
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08:52<locsmif>Hi all. What is a good standalone e-book reader for Debian?
08:52<stummi>AgentC: no, in fvwm you have configure all from scratch, but you are extremly flexible. aptitude install fvwm
08:52<locsmif>And if there isn't any; can I convert e.g. mobi to PDF?
08:53<ayaka>except #linux-hd is there any good place to talk about balance load
08:53<AgentC>stummi: what means "from scratch" ?
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08:54<stummi>AgentC: you have to write the configuration for your fvwm to the config-file
08:54<evoc>hi guys
08:54<AgentC>ok
08:54<evoc>i've got a questione to submit
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08:55<heikkila>evoc, submit!
08:55<evoc>which is the part of the vim code
08:55<evoc>that handle the shell interface?
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09:02<Li_milisch2>hiho, can someone give me some hints/tipps how to find out which wlan driver i need?
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09:03<Li_milisch2>is there a shell command to list all installed hardware
09:03<panko>Li_milisch2: lspci lists all pci devices, lsusb all usb devices
09:04<panko>lshw lists all hardware (run as sudo show more info)
09:04<AgentC>stummi: am i right, it is better to switch to testing, instead of building the gnome3 packge , just for taking a look to it ?
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09:04<stummi>AgentC: look at backports
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09:06<AgentC>stummi: i am thing a while about switching to testing , not only because gnome3 may be a better look. is there a short info how to do such a distupgrade ? (apt-sources.lst changes and procedure-steps?)
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09:06<Li_milisch2>panko, thanks! its an realtek RTL8188CE 802.11/b/g/n
09:07<Li_milisch2>but there is no rtl8188ce on debian.org
09:07<stummi>AgentC: yeah, just change the repository in your apt-configuration and make the upgrade with aptitude
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09:07<stummi>if you want to use testing, you should be firm with something like this
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09:11<panko>Li_milisch2: usb or pci?
09:11<panko>pci? http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
09:11<Li_milisch2>its an integrated, i guess its an pci then! ye sry for that
09:12<panko>you need install firmware-realtek package
09:12<panko>and wireless-tools, of course
09:12<Li_milisch2>i dont have internet connection on my laptop
09:13<Nazcafan>anyone with problems getting the battery icon on gnome 3?
09:13<AgentC>stummi: can you introduce me by query what to change exactly ? i know, changing apt-sources.lst then apt-get update and distupgrade, is that all ?
09:13<Li_milisch2>is there a way to download this to my win 7 ?
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09:14<panko>Li_milisch2: search on google about firmware-realtek package debian
09:14<stummi>AgentC: yes thats all. And know, i dont want to intoduce you by query, i have todo other things atm
09:14<panko>it points to debian page of package and mirrors to download
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09:14<stummi>AgentC: as i said, you should be firm with thinkgs like apt if you want to use testing
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09:15<AgentC>stummi: yep, youre right
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09:15<AgentC>stummi: i think, i'll see how to do, what repos neccessary :) thank you
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09:16<panko>AgentC: apt-listbugs package is a great friend for testing users...
09:16<Li_milisch2>there is a .dsc and .tar.gz file to download (http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/firmware-realtek) but not the .deb file
09:16<Li_milisch2>i would prefer the .deb package -.-
09:17<panko>Li_milisch2: click word "all"
09:17<panko>and choose one mirror, it points to ..deb
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09:18<Li_milisch2>aww thx^^ i found the link
09:18<panko>:p
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09:21<qkzoo>wondering if someone could help me trouble shoot my sound issues
09:21<AgentC>panko: thank you
09:21<AgentC>I am off out of distupgrade
09:21<AgentC>:)
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09:24<qkzoo>Hello?
09:24<heikkila>qkzoo, probably, if you are having issues in Debian, but you would need to be more specific
09:24<qkzoo>Ok, sure.
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09:26<qkzoo>I have an HP Mini with Debian Squeeze installed, using the LXDE desktop. I have no sound. I have Lubuntu installed on another partition where sound works.
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09:26<qkzoo>System is not properly initializing the sound system.
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09:27<qkzoo>root@debian-netbook-andrew:/etc/apt# alsactl init
09:27<qkzoo>Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "IDT ID 7667" "HDA:111d7667,103c148a,00100105" "0x103c" "0x148a"
09:27<qkzoo>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
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09:27<qkzoo>I may not be using proper irc etiquite, it's been a long time!
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09:29<qkzoo>Any thoughts heikkila?
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09:30<hoshi411>I've just realized that gimp 2.7.4 is not supported yet by debian.... im running stable right now but does anyone know how I can get gimp 2.7.4 on my system or give me a link on how to do it? Google is not being my friend on this one. All I can find is Ubuntu info
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09:31<hoshi411>I actually have it running on gnome somehow but dont remember how I did it O_o
09:31<heikkila>qkzoo, you can look at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting and http://wiki.debian.org/SoundCard (you might wanna check out How to identify and Device database links on the latter page)
09:31<hoshi411>and it works so nice
09:31<meebey>st
09:32<hoshi411>I must have found some kind of repository that worked somehow... totally cant remember
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09:32<heikkila>hoshi411, if you added a repo it should still be in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
09:33<qkzoo>heikkila I have tried the troubleshooting guide, and still no sound... I have a thread that was started http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=75084 so you can see more background.
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09:34<qkzoo>...the hardware volume control buttons are disabled for some reason, too.
09:34<degli>hi all
09:34<degli>someone use ispconfig?
09:34<heikkila>lspci | grep audio should actually be lspci | grep Audio
09:35<hoshi411>heikkila: you were right. I was just being lazy. I think I found it. it was probly deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
09:35<hoshi411>ill give it a try
09:35<hoshi411>thanks
09:35<heikkila>np
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09:36<qkzoo>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
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09:36<panko>qkzoo: what version of alsa-drivers have you installed?
09:37<qkzoo>I think I did this right... : alsactl version 1.0.23
09:37<panko>I think you need at least version 1.0.23 for that card, older versions report wrong hardware id...
09:37<panko>ups, it is right...
09:38<qkzoo>bummer
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09:38<qkzoo>as said before, it does load correct on ubuntu installs, but not debian, so confusing!
09:38<ayaka>I want to whether EFI and UEFI need to install something on harddisk(my don't have EFI or UEFI bios)
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09:40<qkzoo>@pankos, heikkila: Codec: IDT ID 7667 (this is debian) IDT 92HD88B1 (this is Ubuntu) as seen from /proc/asound/codec#0
09:41<qkzoo>that is what caught my attention, I just don't know how to fix it!
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09:42<locsmif>What is a good standalone e-book reader for Debian?
09:42<locsmif>And if there isn't any; can I convert e.g. mobi to PDF?
09:42<heikkila>locsmif, I've only heard about Calibre
09:43<locsmif>That's inside Firefox right
09:43<locsmif>I think I've used it
09:43<locsmif>Thought it sucked a bit, iirc
09:43<heikkila>I think it's standalone
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09:44<locsmif>Okay, I think I'm confused with EPUBreader
09:44<qkzoo>any new thoughts heikkila/panko?
09:44<heikkila>qkzoo, sorry, no, I'm out of advice now :/
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09:45<qkzoo>any advice on where to go for more help?
09:45<panko>qkzoo: its a bug from alsa. It reports wrong card id
09:46<panko>at least, in ubuntu, it's fixed with alsa 1.0.23, don't know in debian
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09:46<qkzoo>hmmm, that's the same version.
09:47<qkzoo>is there a file I can change somewhere to tell it to load the hardware specifically?
09:47<panko>maybe you can try play with alsa mixer and disable external amplifier... (don't know how or where is, but I've read somewhere)
09:47<qkzoo>...tried all that...
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09:48<panko>to tell the hardware to load I don't know, but snd-hda-intel module has some options, maybe with modinfo snd-hda-intel tells you something
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09:49<panko>options go to module load, at the end of /etc/alsa-base.conf, you need to add a line... just search on google
09:49<panko>I'm on win and can't see how to
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09:49<panko>maybe "options snd-hda-intel PARAMETER=VALUE
09:50<Li_milisch2>hi, i got a pci realtek 8188ce w-lan card and i already installed the realtek firmware .deb package with dpkg! now i should configure my wifi interface but i stuck! debian.org tells me i should use iwconfig
09:50<panko>in my case, for an older laptop, it was only options snd-hda-intel model=acer... don't know if there where any parameters for your card
09:50<hoshi411>nope the frickelplatz repo did not have gimp 2.7.4
09:50<hoshi411>T_T
09:51<hoshi411>anyone know how to get it on debian?
09:51<qkzoo>Well thank you panko heikkila, I'll see what I can find out from here!
09:51<hoshi411>i cant remember how I did it
09:51<panko>Li_milisch2: iwconfig must run in terminal with root privileges
09:51<hoshi411>google only has ubuntu info
09:51<hoshi411>no one is running 2.7.4?
09:51<Li_milisch2>i did "su" to root
09:52<Li_milisch2>i typed in iwconfig but it tells me no wireless extensions
09:52<Li_milisch2>lo no wireless extension
09:52<Li_milisch2>eth0 ... same
09:52<panko>Li_milisch2: and ifconfig?
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09:53<panko>if interface are down, iwconfig doesn't show...
09:53<Li_milisch2>ifconfig tells me a bit
09:53<panko>try ifconfig, see whats the name of interface, do a "ifconfig INTERFACE up" and then a iwconfig
09:54<Li_milisch2>its "lo"
09:54<ring0>do you know a place, where the maximum number of logical partitions connected with ide or scsi are explained?
09:54<panko>Li_milisch2: no
09:54<panko>your interface must be wlanX possibly
09:55<panko>if only appears lo and eth with no wireless, you don't have your card running
09:56<panko>if you have installed firmware realtek, try to load manually the module for your card with modprobe command and see dmesg for error (or not) messages
09:56<Li_milisch2>i typed in # ifconfig
09:56<Li_milisch2>thats what it tells me # lo link encap
09:56<Li_milisch2> inet adress 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0
09:56<Li_milisch2> inet6 adress: ::1/128
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09:56<panko>xD
09:56<Li_milisch2>-.-
09:56<ring0>i'm asking because i read the kernel supports up to 16 partitions, but ide would support up to 60 and scsi up to 12. can't find any reasonable info on that
09:56<Li_milisch2>wow, it wasnt a paste.... i typed it in
09:57<panko>Li_milisch2: what names appears on ifconfig? lo, eth... and another?
09:57<Li_milisch2>lo
09:57<aodeh>Hello, im trying to install GEGL when I run ./configure it says "checking for GLIB - version >= 2.28.0... no", how can I install glib 2.28 in debian squeeze?
09:57<panko>only lo?
09:57<Li_milisch2>yes
09:57<Li_milisch2>iwconfig tells me lo and eht0
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09:57<Li_milisch2>but ifconfig only lo
09:58<panko>Li_milisch2: lsmod | grep rt
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09:59<panko>look for a module that's called rtXXXX or rtlXXXXXX
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09:59<Li_milisch2>oehm, it tells me "parport_pc 18855 0"
09:59<panko>nopes
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10:00<Li_milisch2>and "parport" 27954 parport__pc, ppdev, lp"
10:00<panko>maybe you don't have needed module installed
10:00<Li_milisch2>i did install this realtek firmware...
10:00<panko>Li_milisch2: give me five minutes
10:01<Li_milisch2>sure
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10:01<aodeh>can anybody help me installing glib 2.28?
10:01<Li_milisch2>i ask myself if i should go with an clicky bunty linux which react same as windows for dummys like me :D
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10:02<panko>xD
10:03<panko>Li_milisch2: what was chipset of wlan? rt818what?
10:03<califa>hola
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10:03<Li_milisch2>rtl8188ce
10:04<panko>what says the command uname -r?
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10:04<Li_milisch2>its 2.6.32-5-amd64
10:04<Li_milisch2>its the kernel right?
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10:05<Li_milisch2>ya, i read something about needed kernel modules ...... i guess i need to install some modules first
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10:06<panko>Li_milisch2: debian wiki says that your card is supported on kernels 2.6.38 and above
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10:07<abrotman>!tell Li_milisch2 about bpo
10:07<Li_milisch2>is there an debian image with this kernel or is it needed to update the kernel itself?!
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10:08<abrotman>Li_milisch2: see what the bot told you
10:08<abrotman>!rtl8188ce
10:08<dpkg>For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-based PCI-E wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>. For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-VAU-based USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>.
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10:11<Li_milisch2>ok, that will help me! i need to read something about kernel updating!... i did this some time ago ....
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10:11<Li_milisch2>but basically when 2.6.38 and realtek firmware .deb packages is installed i am rdy to configure my wlan device?
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10:12<abrotman>did you see what the bot told you ?
10:12<aodeh>Hi, im trying to install glib 2.31 but fails when i run ./configure (configure: error: Package requirements (libffi >= 3.0.0) were not met:)
10:12<abrotman>there's a .39 kernel already packaged in backports.debian.org
10:13<Li_milisch2>it explained me something about backports abrotman
10:13<abrotman>juded: kernels
10:13<abrotman>juded: sorry .. bot missing
10:13<abrotman>judd: kernels
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10:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.1-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-39squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
10:13<abrotman>or mistab anyway
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10:16<Black_Prince>there is 3.2 in backports too
10:16<aodeh>Can somebody help me pleasE?
10:16<abrotman>Black_Prince: not "yet"
10:16<babilen>(and 3.1)
10:16<abrotman>aodeh: did you ask a qusetion ?
10:16<babilen>abrotman: It is :)
10:16<aodeh>abrotman yep
10:17<abrotman>babilen: oh, it made it ?
10:17<Black_Prince>aodeh: why do you want to install glib 2.31 ?
10:17<babilen>abrotman: Finally -- http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
10:17<abrotman>aodeh: you need something like libffi-dev
10:17<filePeter>aodeh: Maybe install libffi then?
10:17<Li_milisch2>ok abrotman, i guess u want me to know i should go with the 2.6.39! ill do that using the backports. but i need to read something about this before i can proceed
10:17<abrotman>babilen: ah okay
10:17<gsimmons>Although linux-latest-2.6 failed to build everywhere...
10:17<abrotman>Li_milisch2: they have instructions there
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10:17<aodeh>I wanna install glib to install gegl, to install gimp 2.7
10:17<abrotman>oh jeez
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10:18<Black_Prince>aodeh: on Debian ?
10:18<aodeh>yep
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10:18<aodeh>oh my
10:18<aodeh>look
10:18<aodeh>gnome-terminal: error while loading shared libraries: libgobject-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
10:18<Black_Prince>stable or testing?
10:18<aodeh>stable
10:18<Black_Prince>I would not recommend ... Stable has glib 2.24 ... You would mess up greatly.
10:19<Black_Prince>glib 2.28 is required for newer gegl ... Go with it, and don't use system dirs ... Use /opt or whatever.
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10:20<aodeh>ok thanks.
10:20<Black_Prince>apt-get install --reinstall libglib2.0-0
10:20<Black_Prince>for the cannot open shared object file.
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10:20<Li_milisch2>well thanks for the help. abrotman and panko :D g2g now
10:21<panko1>yw
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10:34<aodeh>Black_Prince: Finish. didnt mess up.. i leave
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10:48<califa>como remplaso el Grub?
10:48<babilen>!es
10:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:49<califa>#debian-es
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11:05<Li_milisch2>he, regarding my kernelupdate ! i downloaded the debian 2.6.39-3-bpo60+1_amd64.deb package for the use of my rtl8188CE wlan device!
11:06<Li_milisch2>i tried dpkg -i PACKAGE but it tells me deconfiguration is not allowed. --autodeconfigure could be helpfull
11:07<Li_milisch2>how looks the install command with this --autodeconfigure command?
11:07<filePeter>How to deactivate swap drive while running?
11:07<Black_Prince>filePeter: swapoff /dev/sd??
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11:08<Li_milisch2>or how to --autodeconfigure?
11:08<SynrG>Li_milisch2: read the man page
11:08<SynrG>Li_milisch2: and you're mistyping that option
11:08<SynrG>it's --auto-deconfigure
11:08<SynrG>or -B for short
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11:09<SynrG>so, dpkg -iB PACKAGE
11:09<filePeter>Black_Prince: Wow, unbelievable! :-) Thanks!
11:09<SynrG>be sure you understand what it's doing, though
11:09<Li_milisch2>is it that simple? dpkg -i --auto-deconfigre PACKAGE ?
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11:10<SynrG>yes. but mistyped again ;)
11:10<Li_milisch2>or dpkg -iB OACKAGE as well?
11:10<SynrG>really, sounds like with your typing skillz, you want the short option
11:10<Li_milisch2>deconfigre^^
11:10<SynrG>;)
11:11<SynrG>when you deviate from the standard dpkg options, you may end up making a broken relationship
11:11<SynrG>it usually means there is some other package that you need to install along with it
11:11<SynrG>-B is most useful for a front-end that knows that later on it's going to fix it up anyway
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11:12<SynrG>in this particular case, i would guess there's a generic metapackage for your specific kernel flavour that you've forgotten to install along with the kernel itself
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11:13<SynrG>generally it's better to properly configure apt with sources and apt-get install -t squeeze-backports instead of downloading the deb and installing with dpkg -i
11:13<Li_milisch2>hmm, it gives me an error with initramfs-tools ...
11:13<SynrG>then apt will figure it out
11:13<Li_milisch2>the problem is i dont have internet connection to my laptop :D thats why i need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.38 or highrer
11:13<SynrG>if you go down the road of forcing dpkg to do your bidding ... you can seriously mess things up
11:14<SynrG>ah. then chase down all the deps one by one and fetch them all
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11:14<SynrG>basically, start with a list of everything starting linux- that's installed on your system
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11:17<Li_milisch2>i could connect my laptop to my router with a short cable, but then i need to sit on a chair in a cold floor D but i guess ill try this rather burn 5 other cds with new stuff
11:18<SynrG>cds? ouch. usb keys haven't reached your corner of the world yet?
11:18<Black_Prince>Li_milisch2: http://paste.debian.net/153885/ those are packages you need from backports for newer kernel. You can easily skip headers if you don't need them.
11:18<Li_milisch2>they have^^ :P
11:19<Black_Prince>In fact, only linux-base linux-image and initramfs-tools are REQUIRED.
11:19<SynrG>it's 2012, optical media is dead (bluray notwithstanding :P)
11:19<Li_milisch2>i got an 8gig sd card in my mobilephone and i did have 2 usb keys somewhere! i just dont find em :D
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11:21<gigi>!list
11:21<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
11:21<Li_milisch2>black_prince, downloading all this stuff fixes my dependencies problems?
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11:21<Black_Prince>Yes.
11:22<Li_milisch2>ok ill try this thnks
11:22<Black_Prince>Just put those 3 in one directory and execute dpkg -i *.deb ..
11:22<Li_milisch2>ok
11:22<Black_Prince>But make sure nothing else is in that dir :D
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11:22<Li_milisch2>oki, got an own folder for this 2.6.39 .deb package, so it will work
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11:23<Li_milisch2>i just put the new files into the same dir :D
11:23<Li_milisch2>*.deb :P
11:23<Black_Prince>If you have realtek card, you may also want to get firmware-realtek from backports.
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11:23<Li_milisch2>i got them already, did installing it before i came to the end that a new kernel is needed
11:24<Black_Prince>Put it into same dir.
11:24<Black_Prince>Install them all in one way to avoid any problems.
11:24<Li_milisch2>ok
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11:34<olpis>ciao
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11:35<Ena>Bonjour
11:35<filePeter>How can I get the output from boot back? I just see the login prompt and dmesg won’t show the same output.
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11:38<Black_Prince>filePeter: try enabling bootlog. Edit /etc/default/bootlogd
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11:38<filePeter>Black_Prince: Thanks again! :-)
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11:42<relato>RELATO
11:42<relato>RELAT
11:42<relato>IJYH
11:42<relato>G
11:42<relato>GGHYH
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11:46<Li_milisch2>success my wlan0 is now listed under iwconfig
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11:50<ratnick>How do I get a tiger security report analysed and get a proceedure to tighten security?
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11:53<Black_Prince>Li_milisch2: good, now configure it :D
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12:05<Li_milisch2>black_prince? i did edit the /etc/network/interfaces as i should http://paste.debian.net/153890/ , i followed the tutorial on debian.org and i also set the chmod 0600 to /etc/network/interfaces! iwlist scan gives me alot of information but dont have internet connection :/
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12:06<Black_Prince>Li_milisch2: ifup wlan0
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12:07<Li_milisch2>it tells me wlan0 is already configured
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12:07<Black_Prince>ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0
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12:08<Li_milisch2>it dies sine dhcpdiscover scab ib wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 intervall X
12:09<Li_milisch2>omg
12:09<Li_milisch2>what did i just type?
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12:09<Li_milisch2>it does some dhcpdiscover scans on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port ...
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12:09<Li_milisch2>;D
12:10<Li_milisch2>no dhcpoffers recieved
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12:10<Li_milisch2>and no working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
12:11<Black_Prince>So, something is wrong - then.
12:11<Black_Prince>Check dmesg if there are any errors about wlan card.
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12:12<Li_milisch2>uhm, there is alot with wlan0: authenticated; associated; link becomes ready
12:13<Li_milisch2>and one deauthenticated from by local choice (reason=3)
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12:14<Black_Prince>see if you can find an answer by reading /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
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12:16<Li_milisch2>i can not open this .gz file!
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12:20<Black_Prince>zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
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12:21<Li_milisch>sry, had to reboot my router, ok thanks ill take a look
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12:29<iiu7>Why are there suddenly so many updates to squeeze?
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12:29<dvs>iiu7 new release
12:29<dvs>topic is out of date
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12:30<iiu7>Why have missed that? dvs, thanks!
12:30<dvs>iiu7 email JUST came out
12:30<iiu7>Yes, have just gotten it, missed it in the first run.
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12:32<dvs>oh oh
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12:32*dvs runs
12:32<Li_milisch>somehow it works now! i changed from wpa2 to wpa-psk! thanks alot
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12:33<Black_Prince>yw
12:33<Li_milisch>the /etc/network/interfaces file looks exactly the same i just changed the wpa-psk in my router setup
12:33-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC
12:33<Li_milisch>dunno why wpa2 doesnt work, but wpa should be good enough
12:33-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ
12:34-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
12:34<themill>topicdiff: 6.0.4 released; URL for logs was for freenode not oftc
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12:50<iocarmine>!hello
12:50<dpkg>Hi, iocarmine!
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12:50<iocarmine>!list
12:50<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
12:50<themill>iocarmine: no warez here.
12:50<iocarmine>!grazie
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12:51<iocarmine>!list
12:51<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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12:51<SadCrab>Hi there
12:52<SadCrab>I'm new to everything.
12:52<SadCrab>Halp
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12:53<SadCrab>So uh, step 1, playing music.
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12:54<SadCrab>I have my seinheiser usb headset plugged in
12:54<SadCrab>but it doesn't feel like playing through them.
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12:54<SadCrab>Though it recognizes it's there and that it's a sound device
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12:55<SadCrab>Is anyone here?
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12:59<iocarmine>!hello
12:59<dpkg>Hi, iocarmine!
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12:59<Bushmills>SadCrab: you're supposed to listen to, not to feel, the headphones
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13:00<iocarmine>hello
13:00<josh>h
13:00<josh>i
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13:00<iocarmine>!list
13:00<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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13:00<josh>wwu2
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13:00<josh>wwuu2
13:00<josh>wuu2
13:00<josh>?
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13:01<SadCrab>Hello there Josh
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13:03<josh>hi
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13:11<Li_milisch>a simeple and free antivir tool for debian?
13:12<Li_milisch>clamav?
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13:17<Black_Prince>yep
13:17<Black_Prince>but unecessary
13:17<Black_Prince>unless running mail server or sharing files with windows system
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13:19<Li_milisch>i prefeer downloading files and browse trough the web with linux but for the reason i transfer a file to my windows i would first scan these files with an antivir tool
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13:23<maria>ola
13:24<diablesa>holaaaaaaaa
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13:24<isabella>ola eh
13:24<maria>olaaaaaa
13:24<diablesa>holaaaaaa
13:24<diablesa>buenas
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13:25<diablesa>holaaaa
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13:25<maria>ola
13:25<maria>oala
13:25<maria>apapaa
13:25<maria>apañaa
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13:26<maria>ksdjcb
13:26<diablesa>hola amanda
13:26<maria>k soy mariaaaaa
13:26<maria>decid algo genteeee
13:27<diablesa>maria k te gusta
13:27<maria>nadieeee
13:27<SadCrab>I think I'm going back to winblows xp
13:27<maria>hello
13:27<maria>i am mery
13:27<diablesa>kien eres sadcrab
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13:28<maria>what do you now ?¿?
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13:28<maria>iuhihjkfìsdhf
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13:29<maria>y a ti quien te gusta ?¿?¿?
13:30<diablesa>hablad de algo q me aburoooooooooooooooooooo(=
13:30<maria>nose
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13:31<diablesa>hola eleric
13:31<maria>di tu ?¿?¿??¿?¿??
13:32<maria>di alllllllllgooooooo
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13:32<diablesa>maria coño ablaaaaaa
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13:33<maria>pero si t estoy ablendo coñoooooo
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13:34<maria>di algoooooooooooooo
13:34<diablesa>si ya lo vea por eso estas biendo shake up
13:35<diablesa>holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
13:36<diablesa>algien hablaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
13:36<heikkila>!es
13:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:37<diablesa>me aburooooooooooooooooooooooo decirrr algoooooooooooooooo
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13:37<maria>noseeee k decirrrr
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13:39<GCS>Hi, can pbuilder save build logs to somewhere?
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13:40<maria>khgxfcj
13:40<diablesa>holaaaaaa
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13:52<diablesa>olaaaaaa
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13:54<diablesa>JHFP
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14:04<Dingir>6.0.4 stable was just released?
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14:06<Dingir>themill: ah, thanks... ;)
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14:21<dodd>hi
14:22<dodd>hi
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14:23<dodd>hi
14:26<dodd>hi
14:26<dodd>where the people
14:26<gruetzkopf>hmm, lets download it and thow it on my thinkpad
14:26<gruetzkopf>(fresh install)
14:27<dodd>i do not
14:27<gruetzkopf>whats the best way to shrink a NTFS for installing debian?
14:27<dodd>what
14:27<dodd>i do no
14:27<melmothX>gruetzkopf: first defrag the disk, then reboot with the installer and shrink the partition
14:27<gruetzkopf>ok
14:27<dodd>i new in this cat
14:28<gruetzkopf>dodd, stop spamming
14:28<gruetzkopf>this is not a social channel. its for debian help
14:28<melmothX>gruetzkopf: i strongly reccomend a full backup, just in case, anyway
14:29<dodd>yes
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14:29<gruetzkopf>its a fairly clean install, all data is on the external drive
14:29<gruetzkopf>about 3 GiB used :)
14:29<dodd>i need open other wireless
14:30<dodd>can help me
14:30<themill>!ubuntu dodd
14:30<dpkg>dodd: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
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14:32<Guest792>ciao
14:32<Guest792>tutto bene?
14:32<Guest792>list!
14:32<gruetzkopf>!it Guest792
14:32<Guest792>!list
14:32<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
14:33<dodd>how to enter man?
14:33<Guest792>ciao
14:33<dodd>?
14:33<Guest792>how?
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14:35<devil>dodd: enter man? you mean look at a manpage?
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14:38<Sicelo>btw what's syntax for asking debian which version of a particular package is on squeeze?
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14:39<Nemoder>Sicelo: easy enough to search http://packages.debian.org
14:40<Sicelo>meh. well, i want to know which debian had 2.6.28 kernel
14:40<themill>none
14:40<dada>how
14:40<Sicelo>0.o
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14:41<themill>well, squeeze will have had that kernel for some weeks/months while squeeze was testing, but no version of debian ever released with that kernel
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14:42<Sicelo>thanks themill
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14:50<phraust>I'm trying to do a netinstall of debian using a usb wifi dongle, but it's not seeing the network. it identifies wlan0, but sees no networks and the light on the usb goes off after I setup the network manually.
14:50<phraust>Any help would b appreciated.
14:50<phraust>*be
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14:57<phraust>ah, it's cool I guess. ubuntu just finished downloading.
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14:59<gruetzkopf> phraust why dont you use a fullcd for debian setup
14:59<locsmif>phraust: ha ha, let us know if it worked there
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14:59<SynrG>phraust: typically that would be because wifi needs some firmware not included in the standard netinst. but there are unofficial images with non-free firmwares too
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15:00<gruetzkopf>so, whar desktop environment would you recommend fo a thinkpad 600
15:00<gruetzkopf>160MiB RAM
15:00<locsmif>fluxbox
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15:01<locsmif>Or perhaps xfce
15:01<SynrG>or lxde
15:01<dtw>or Awesome
15:01<gruetzkopf>233MHz(MMX) PII, 60GiB hdd
15:01<gruetzkopf>2MiB vram
15:01<dtw>or the one you like. :-)
15:01<SynrG>note: of those four, fluxbox and awesome are not desktop environments. the other two are.
15:01<locsmif>But, if you run any KDE programs, you'll be loading kdelibs anyway
15:01<gruetzkopf>but i love my gnome
15:02<phraust>installing ubuntu works fine, just figured i'd give debian a try since it's so highly suggested.
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15:02<Black_Prince>wo wo wo ... 2MiB vram .. Can that start X?
15:02<gruetzkopf>ubuntu has the full installer on the disk
15:02<gruetzkopf>Black_Prince, yep.
15:02<gruetzkopf>knoppix runs
15:03<SynrG>phraust: i wish you luck, then. if you get tired of ubuntu, given debian a second look
15:03<phraust>honestly, I'm just too lazy to lug it all the way down to the basement for a hardwired connection.
15:03<locsmif>SynrG: I wonder what it all matters since most people will be using programs loading gnome or kde libs anyway...
15:03*phraust sighs.
15:04<SynrG>locsmif: plenty. with that little ram, how much do you want *constantly* loaded? with lxde in particular, the memory footprint is quite low
15:04<gruetzkopf>heh
15:04<SynrG>and there are alternatives to those gnome/kde apps if you find memory is tight
15:04<gruetzkopf>i can remember on a quite similar machine
15:05<locsmif>SynrG: I mean.. what did you mean when making the distinction between.. say fluxbox and xfce?
15:05<SynrG>simply semantics. he asked about a desktop environment
15:05<SynrG>fluxbox is not one
15:05<SynrG>xfce is
15:06<SynrG>people have different expectations for desktop environments than window managers. i assumed when gruetzkopf asked about a desktop environment, he knew what he was asking for
15:06<gruetzkopf>well, ill just do a gnome install, and when it gets an issue, ill install lxde
15:06<gruetzkopf>cause i have a memory footprint of about 100MiB on this system after login
15:07<gruetzkopf>and i run quite a bit of unneccesary crap on this machine
15:07<SynrG>gruetzkopf: i quite happily ran gnome-core on a system with 512M RAM for a while, but on a 128M system i was running xfce as i found it was too tight, otherwise
15:07<SynrG>(that was before lxde was around)
15:07<locsmif>gruetzkopf: well, do you?
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15:08<gruetzkopf>who needs apache2 + prostgres and mysql on a 12" lowprofile laptop?
15:08<SynrG>even in a very stripped down configuration, though, gnome carries a lot of baggage you won't really appreciate on a low memory system
15:09<gruetzkopf>ill just try, that machine handles a terribly overloaded winXP quite fast
15:09<locsmif>Don't be fooled, Gnome and KDE are slower than Win XP these days
15:09<gruetzkopf>i hate bloating just for eyecandy
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15:10<locsmif>Due to the all the cruft added, programmed with no consideration whatsoever for slower machines, with code lazily designed for faster CPUs
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15:11<SynrG>i wouldn't call it cruft. a modern desktop certainly is multi-layered, and that does indeed demand more resources. it means that each layer only needs to solve the problems at that layer ...
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15:11<locsmif>New versions are supposed to be faster than older ones :/
15:11<SynrG>it's a matter of tradeoffs. a modern desktop is rather more capable than a simple WM
15:12<SynrG>it's an oft-repeated myth that programmers just don't care anymore and write crappier and crappier code as a result.
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15:13<locsmif>My laptop is quite old, and when I install newer versions of Distros or upgrade KDE (like the KDE 4 transition), I feel it getting slower and slower. It's a fact programmers simply can't 'feel' the inefficiencies in their own code on their high powered new machines
15:14<SynrG>everyone longs for the good old days when all you needed was N G (M, or K) of RAM and X GHz, (MHz) processor
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15:14<martin_>meh
15:14<locsmif>Well, Windows 7 takes the cake in terms of hdd capacity required, at least.
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15:15<martin_>primary harddrive sata cable unplugged itself
15:15<martin_>im gruetzkopf
15:15<locsmif>Sounds nasty
15:16<martin_>yep
15:16<SynrG>people tend to forget the limitations of prior generations of software while the wax nostalgic about how little resources it used to require
15:16<SynrG>s/the wax/they wax/
15:17<martin_>so. anyone know if the current netinst images support rt2500 wifi cards
15:17<SynrG>!rt2500
15:17<dpkg>The Ralink RT2500 802.11g PCI chipset (RT2500/RT2560) is supported by the rt2500pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt2500 . For RT2500USB/RT2571 device support, ask me about <rt2500usb>.
15:17<martin_>or realek 8187usb?
15:17<martin_>oh ok
15:18<SynrG>!rtl8187
15:18<dpkg>Realtek 802.11b/g PCI and USB wireless LAN chipsets (RTL8180L, RTL8185L, RTL8187L, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180, rtl8187 and rtl8187se/r8187se drivers in the Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x . For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>.
15:18<SynrG>i think ...
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15:19<SynrG>(probably irrelevant now that you know rt2500 should work)
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15:20<martin_>yeah
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15:20<martin_>ralink ;)
15:20<phraust>hrm.
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15:22<SynrG>phraust: you wouldn't have to lug it around if it's just a firmware issue.
15:22<SynrG>!firmware images
15:22<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse
15:22<phraust>I've done aminimal install right now, seeing about installing the wireless drivers and tools.
15:22<SynrG>phraust: what's the card? lspci -nn | grep -i network
15:23<SynrG>ah. of debian? sans network?
15:23<phraust>it's a usb wifi dongle, netgear wG111v3
15:23<phraust>nope, just using the netinstaller.
15:23<SynrG>the lspci -nn output would be most helpful
15:23<phraust>give me a sec.
15:23<SynrG>oh, usb
15:24<SynrG>or lsusb
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15:24<martin_>let me fetch a cd-r and plug in my second wifiap
15:25<phraust>yeah, tried lsusb, i'm gonna need a second to type it all in.
15:26<SynrG>do make sure you use a pastebin if there's a lot of info
15:27<phraust>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0846:4260 NetGear, Inc. WG111v3 54 Mbps Wireless [realtek RTL8187B]
15:27<martin_>8187 :)
15:27<phraust>the only other debice is they keyboard and the two root hubs.
15:27<martin_>well, im DLing netinst right now
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15:28<martin_>ill leave my 8187 dongle plugged in and test
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15:29<SynrG>huh. rtl8187b *should* be supported by the netinst
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15:30<phraust>weird right? figuring thats why ubuntu and mint installed so easy
15:30<Nik05>yes maria why are you PMing me?
15:30<Nik05>you can talk here
15:31<Nik05>I dont know who you are
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15:33<themill>Nik05: Spanish school-kids. Ignore it and enjoy your evening.
15:33<Nik05>thanks :)
15:34<martin_>those kids found the xchat button ...
15:34<Nik05>;p
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15:34<SynrG>phraust: oh! i'm missing the obvious. duh
15:34<SynrG>squeeze has no WPA support in the installer
15:35<martin_>there ny good reason for that?
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15:35<phraust>hrm, guess I could disable it and try again.
15:35<SynrG>work was done on it prior to the release, but it wasn't done in time
15:35<gruetzkopf>ah
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15:36<gruetzkopf>and it couldnt be added in any of the 6.0.* updates?
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15:37<SynrG>it would require some fairly radical changes involving NetworkManager
15:37<phraust>eh, dl'ed the wireless-tools package already to usb, going to try that out. I like having sucha minimal install. this thing's just going to go in the basement anyhow for apache, minecraft and bitcoin.
15:37<SynrG>see the old debate on debian-devel list archives about NetworkManager by default
15:38<SynrG>there's a very real concern about breaking server installs if that were implemented
15:38<gruetzkopf>so what, add aanother installer menu item
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15:40<larsf>hi, i just installed debian. Just wondering if iceweasel works with netid that i use to connect to my bank
15:41<scientes>larsf, what is netid?
15:41<scientes>is it a win32 program you download?
15:41<larsf>no addon for firefox
15:41<larsf>that i had in ubuntu
15:41<SynrG>gruetzkopf: just look up the debate and read it if you're curious. i don't want to rehash the pros/cons/technical challenges here
15:41<scientes>ahhh, you have to open the xpi to find out
15:42<scientes>if it is a clean add-on it should work
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15:42<scientes>*it will work
15:42<gruetzkopf>ok
15:42<scientes>just try to install it
15:42<larsf>ok i'll try :) wow fast response
15:42<larsf>thanks
15:42<scientes>it will work if it is just javasciprt/XUL, but it could have native stuff in there
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15:43<scientes>depends on what it does
15:43<scientes>all the big add-ons are fully cross-platform
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15:50<gruetzkopf>phraust, yep, the 8187 based stick shows up
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15:56<locsmif>SynrG: one example of woefully inefficient code is PDF readers. That dog slow rendering probably works fine on lightning bolt Core i7's, but not on my laptop. Adobe reader? No problem.
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15:59<phraust_>hey, thanks for pointing out that WPA wasn't included. opened up a guest network with no password, and it's installing fine now.
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16:00<bskr>h
16:01<bskr>yes adi
16:03<SynrG>phraust: great
16:05<SynrG>locsmif: i'm not saying there isn't any code out there that could be optimized that may be overlooked because people tend to not run it on low-end hardware. i was just arguing against the myth of the lazy programmer as the cause of manifold ills of the current generation of software. i think *every* era of software development has had one form or other of this myth back to the dawn of programming time.
16:05<SynrG>and we're no worse in general today about it than in previous generations.
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16:07<SynrG>locsmif: anyway, this is very OT. we should continue on #debian-offtopic (if at all :)
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16:14<qkzoo>how do you upgrade to a backport kernel? I was instructed to try this to resolve sound card issue, and am little confused as to how to
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16:16<technologov__>qkzoo, Google "Debian Backports"
16:16<technologov__>Then add backports repo, and add new kernel
16:16<qkzoo>I added the repo, but can't figure out how to get the new kernel installed.
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16:17<chealer>qkzoo: technically, you don't [need to] really upgrade the kernel, you just install a new one after adding the backports repository.
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16:17<qkzoo>Well, I was told to try a backport kernel to resolve some hda-intel driver issue, some bug with alsa
16:18<chealer>installing a new kernel will involve installing a new package named linux-image-...
16:18<SynrG>!bdo kernel
16:18<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
16:18<qkzoo>Yeah, I tried, but it didn't seem to do anything
16:18<SynrG>qkzoo: you're probably missing the '-t squeeze-backports' part.
16:18<qkzoo>that could be it
16:18<SynrG>or possibly the 'aptitude update' part
16:18<phraust>thanks again all you cats & kittens.
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16:19<chomwitt>hi. if i run freqiently apt-get update in squeeze do i need to change sth in the repos to get 6.0.4?
16:20<qkzoo>while it's downloading, what does the -t do?
16:20<SynrG>it specifies the target
16:20<SynrG>this defaults to your current distro, squeeze
16:20<qkzoo>ah, thank you
16:21<SynrG>otherwise, squeeze-backports is automatically pinned lower than your default target so aptitude (or apt-get) refuses to install from it
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16:21<qkzoo>that could explain the issue I was having earlier
16:21<SynrG>and that's a good feature of squeeze-backports. it means in general that stuff isn't installed from it unless you explicitly ask for it.
16:22<SynrG>so ... no surprises when you upgrade your system.
16:22<technologov__>How to find sources of libstdc++ ? libs/... lacks them.
16:22<qkzoo>Definately!
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16:23<qkzoo>Hopefully this works, if it doesn't, I may scrap this install and try a fresh install. It's on an HP netbook that I've been having issues with network and sound config. Got the network running good, now just the sound.....
16:23<ansgar>technologov__: Did you try apt-get source?
16:23<SynrG>technologov__: in general, make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list contains corresponding deb-src lines for the deb lines, then apt-get update, then apt-get source packagename
16:24<SynrG>'apt-get source' does not need to be run as root
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16:24<qkzoo>Hey synrg " r8169: rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw,
16:24<qkzoo> │ rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw,
16:24<qkzoo> │ rtl_nic/rtl8168e-1.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw "
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16:25<qkzoo>where would I find these firmware files?
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16:25<SynrG>qkzoo: if the kernel upgrade in and of itself doesn't resolve your alsa issue, sometimes you can force alsa to use a different model than the one that is autodetected for your codec. usually, i find this results in sound that works ... but may not have all features working
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16:26<qkzoo>Are the "Possible missing firmware..." lines something to worry about?
16:26<SynrG>qkzoo: why address me in particular? anyway, to find a file you can use apt-file search (need to install apt-file first)
16:26<sakrayaami>Hi there, I'm having little trouble with my Debian squeeze. After one cold reboot my eth0 is gone. In ifconfig there is only my loopback interface and after i've placed another network cart i have eth1. Any ideas?
16:27<qkzoo>sorry, you were the one responding, so I directed you specifically. My bad!
16:27<SynrG>which tells me:
16:27<SynrG>firmware-realtek: /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw
16:27<SynrG>among others
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16:27<SynrG>so, firmware-realtek is what you want
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16:28<gruetzkopf>sakrayaami, tries ifconfig eth0 up?
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16:28<SynrG>qkzoo: note this is in non-free, so ensure your /etc/apt/sources.list includes non-free
16:28<chealer>sakrayaami: you're looking at ifconfig -a; right?
16:28<sakrayaami>just a sec
16:28<qkzoo>yes Non-free are included
16:29<chealer>SynrG: apt-get won't refuse to install a package just because a suite is pinned below the default suite
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16:29<SynrG>chealer: correct. that was a bit inaccurate. feel free to clarify
16:29<sakrayaami>in ifconfig -a i've got the following under eth0: Interrupt:28 Base address:0x6000
16:29<SynrG>apt_preferences man page explains more precisely what's going on
16:29<sakrayaami>never mind
16:30<gruetzkopf>then ifconfig eth0 up
16:30<sakrayaami>this was stupid :)
16:30<sakrayaami>let me try to connect
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16:30<qkzoo>wish me luck with a reboot
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16:33<gruetzkopf>yay, netinsting via wifi
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17:03<locsmif>XmohaX: explain your problem first
17:03<XmohaX>heeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp Me Plz
17:03<locsmif>oh, I see.
17:03<locsmif>!ops
17:03<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
17:03<XmohaX>I'm new in back track universe
17:04<locsmif>!ops troll
17:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: locsmif complains about: troll
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17:04<XmohaX>i have installed backtrack 4 on my hdd
17:04<@Ganneff>!backtrack
17:04<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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17:04<sakrayaami>:)
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17:09<qkzoo>Ok folks, I added a squeeze-backport kernel linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae and have sound kinda working, but the hardware keys are not functioning properly any advice?
17:10<TCW>qkzoo, does xev show something wehen you press those keys?
17:11<qkzoo>my bad, what is xev?
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17:13<TCW>qkzoo, DON'T message people in private!!
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17:13<qkzoo>my bad, been a while since I've ircs
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17:14<TCW>qkzoo, first rules, stay on topic, keep it in the channel. Only if one asks you to paste something in private or wanna talk to you in private, then message him/her...
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17:14<qkzoo>My bad, sorry!
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17:15<TCW>qkzoo, ok... so just assume I ignore all that is sent private... guess what you have to do now?
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17:16<qkzoo>It lists info when I press a key in terminal is that what it's supposed to do?
17:16<TCW>qkzoo, depending on what it does list / show... paste it (use a paste service)
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17:17<qkzoo>It's a lot of of stuff, never used a paste service before, one sec
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17:19<qkzoo>TCW, my first pastebin http://pastebin.ca/2107172
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17:23<amphi>qkzoo: 'keycode 122 (keysym 0x1008ff11, XF86AudioLowerVolume)' is what you are looking for, I expect
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17:23<amphi>qkzoo: you can bind keysym XF86AudioLowerVolume to whatever command you like
17:24<amphi>qkzoo: here, I bind it to amixer, for example
17:24<TCW>qkzoo, as ist seems at least all gets interpreted well, now an app should do the rest. What desktop environment do you use?
17:24<qkzoo>I'm using LXDE on debian
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17:26<TCW>No idea about LXDE, but I guess that does not have a "multimedia-framework" (dunno how else to call it) as Gnome, so you might need to bind something manually. But why did you note you did upgrade the kernel? DId it work before?
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17:31<qkzoo>No sound was not working at all. I did the upgrade, now I have sound, I've been racking my brain with this for almost a week, so yay for limited success here!
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17:32<Guest802>I just moved from LMDE to Squeeze, and all worked fine...
17:33<TCW>amphi, how about the example you wanted to show him? :)
17:33<Guest802>Then I noticed I used the wrong hostname, and so I changed it with Network Manager....
17:33<Guest802>I then rebooted, and now I can't finish booting...
17:33<TCW>qkzoo, a week?! Why did you not come here earlier?
17:34<TCW>Guest802, mind getting a real nick?
17:34<Guest802>System Recovery let me log in as root, and /etc/host and /etc/hostnames were changed...
17:34<Guest802>Sure...sorry... running off a liveCD and don't recall how...will check...
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17:34<BillH>Better?
17:34<TCW>Guest802, and what does network manager have to do with the hostname? Or about what "hostname" are we talking here?
17:34<TCW>BillH, perfect ;)
17:35<TCW>and to what point does the system boot?
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17:37<BillH>Point 1: I found something called Network Manager under System Preferences (dealing from memory) ...
17:38<BillH>and it claimed it could change the hostname (what you get with the hostname command)...
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17:38<BillH>I did, and it seemed to change /etc/host and /etc/hostnames.
17:38<BillH>It said I needed to log back in, and, when that didn't work (I forget why), I rebooted.
17:39<TCW>BillH, funny... network-manager is something different, but I see what you mean :)
17:39<amphi>TCW: 'amixer set Master 5%-' ;)
17:39<TCW>amphi, not for me! :p
17:39<BillH>TCW: I'm running an OpenSUSE LiveCD on the machine right now, so I can't easily tell you how far it boots....
17:39<BillH>I can look at logs
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17:40<qkzoo>@TCW i didn't come here earlier because I didn't think of it, I haven't used IRC since we had dialup in the mid 1990's!
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17:40<TCW>BillH, reboot the system and make a photo if all else fails ;)
17:40<amphi>qkzoo: 'amixer set Master 5%-' is a good command to bind to that key
17:40<BillH>:-) Not the worst idea.
17:41<amphi>qkzoo: and change to '5%+' for raising the volume
17:41<TCW>BillH, ;)
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17:41<amphi>qkzoo: I use xbindkeys for such stuff
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17:42<BillH>Back in a bit, after I reboot..with a bit of luck, magic will happen, and I'll not have a problem.
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17:43<qkzoo>i will check it out thank you :)
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17:43<amphi>qkzoo: amixer can do quite a lot - its man page is quite helpful
17:44<amphi>qkzoo: xbindkeys has a separately package gui configurator, xbindkeys-config if I recall correctly
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18:08<pierre>hello!
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18:09<Guest807> how to installer google earth in ubuntu studio 11.10?
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18:09<TCW>!ubuntu
18:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:09<Lantizia>Lo, I updated to the 2.6.39 kernel in squeeze backports - how can I tell what modules were build with this kernel? I'm looking for udlfb for DisplayLink adapters
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18:10<Guest807>ok thanks !
18:10<TCW>Lantizia, /lib/modules/....
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18:10<Lantizia>TCW, yeah... then where? grep the files or look for a file - what?
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18:11<TCW>Lantizia, find /lib/modules/ -iname *udlfb* if that is something that must be in the filename...
18:12<Lantizia>TCW, already done a 'locate' to that effect - no files with that name in it
18:12<Lantizia>i'm told udlfb was in mainline kernel as of 2.6.38 is it possible the backports team left it out in 2.6.39 ?
18:12<TCW>Lantizia, and DisplayLink... isn't that just another digital display-output form like hdmi / dvi?
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18:12<Lantizia>TCW, teah this is a USB to HDMI/DVI/VGA adapter
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18:13<TCW>Ah, ok... I guess I meant DisplayPort then ;)
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18:13<Lantizia>at this rate I'll be installing ubuntu - i know that has support for it
18:14<lokikp>i have problem with hd 3000 intel (no 3d support kde 4.6.5). i take some warrings on xorg.0.log ... anyone please??
18:14<TCW>Lantizia, paste what happens if you plug that thing in
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18:14<TCW>lokikp, paste the Xorg.0.log
18:14<Lantizia>TCW, zip - nothing - it is supported to make a /dev/fb1 but it doesn't
18:14<lokikp>is tw0 lines cai i do here?
18:14<Lantizia>without it Xorg has nothing to talk to
18:14<TCW>Lantizia, dmesg does show NOTHING?
18:15<TCW>lokikp, paste the WHOLE file
18:15<TCW>Lantizia, *every* usb device should cause at least some chatter in the kernel logs ;)
18:16<lokikp>http://pastebin.com/f3T1LJz8
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18:18<Lantizia>TCW, http://pastebin.com/2raFutQ5
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18:20<TCW>lokikp, log looks fine to me, but I may have missed something. What two lines did you have in mind? Just say the linenumbers in the paste....
18:20<lokikp>TCW
18:20<lokikp>[ 11.876] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
18:20<lokikp>[ 11.876] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
18:21<TCW>lokikp, that are just warnings....
18:21<lokikp>TCW what i have found is ... if i force to 3d then
18:21<lokikp>it accept but after 2nd time
18:21<lokikp>and if i reboot then ... no ed
18:21<lokikp>3d
18:22<lokikp>..:)
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18:22<TCW>Lantizia, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=618261 that module should be there, but I guess it is called different...
18:22<BillHarris>TCW: Now it (rebooting after changing hostname) works. :-%
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18:23<TCW>BillHarris, weird :)
18:23<BillHarris>TCW: I discovered the network (wired and wifi) were up, but I couldn't connect to a URL...
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18:23<BillHarris>I then thought of bad DNS, but couldn't find evidence of that...
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18:24<BillHarris>Finally, I rememeberd I had started Firestarter. I stopped it, and Internet access returned...
18:24<TCW>Lantizia, I run sid and have a newer kernel, but look if that file is there (for your kernel): /lib/modules/3.2.0-1-686-pae/kernel/drivers/video/udlfb.k
18:24<BillHarris>I restarted it, and it continued to work, with eth0 or just with wlan0.
18:24<Lantizia>TCW, it's not
18:24<BillHarris>As you say, wierd.... but much less stress now. :-)
18:24<BillHarris>Thanks.
18:24<Lantizia>TCW, so it's not even in the backported 2.6.39 - how silly
18:25*Lantizia downloads ubuntu
18:25<Lantizia>thanks anyway
18:25<TCW>Lantizia, then I guess that file is not there yet... and insead of installing ubuntu, just take a newer kernel
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18:26<Lantizia>TCW, nah this virtual machine was going to be file server, print server, sane scanner server, and a little X session to display the status of the network on a monitor
18:26<themill>linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae contains that file
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18:26<Lantizia>i've installed OpenMediaVault instead for the file server, I'll have ubuntu for the X server ... and I guess Debian 6 can just scan and print
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18:26<BillHarris>TCW: Incidentally, it was System Preferences / Control Center / Network to launch Network Settings, which I used to change the hostname.
18:27<BillHarris>Is there any other place I need to change hostname that you can think of off hand?
18:28<Lantizia>themill, oh cool didn't see 3.2.0 was in bp too
18:28<Lantizia>themill, what PREEMPT_RT (i.e. what the diff between rt-amd64 and amd64 )
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18:28<TCW>Lantizia, and as the bug-report suggests, that device is suppoted as a module in Debian packages since 3.1.... so, no idea about upstream (that bugreport does confuse me a bit) but grab 3.2 and you are fine... I guess :)
18:30<Lantizia>this is a crazy set up anway VGA Monitor -> VGA to USB DisplayLink Adapter -> Linksys NSLU2 (acting as a USB/IP server) -> Network Switch -> Proxmox VE Hypervisor -> Debian 6 Virtual Machine
18:30<Lantizia>my monitor will be "in the cloud" lol - what stupid buzz words
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18:32<TCW>Lantizia, woudl you be so kind and paste the output of this: grep CONFIG_FB_UDL /boot/config-`uname -r`
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18:32<TCW>just to clear my confusion :)
18:32<Lantizia>TCW, already rebooting into 3.2
18:33<TCW>Lantizia, then instead of `uname -r` the name of the 2.6.39 Kernel
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18:33<Lantizia># CONFIG_FB_UDL is not set
18:34<Lantizia>that's it
18:34<TCW>ah... all cleard up now :) I was not sure if those folks in the bug report did say it was ENABLED but not as a module or if it was not enabled at all... :)
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18:37<Lantizia>lol got it working
18:37<Lantizia>it's weird thinking of your physical monitor connected to a virtual machine
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18:51<Lantizia>TCW, actually this is hopeless after all... the kernel now might be ok for displaylink - but debian has no xorg drivers for displaylink!
18:51<Lantizia>so it's text only
18:52<TCW>Lantizia, vesa does not work?
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18:52<Lantizia>TCW, ope
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18:52<Lantizia>*nope
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18:53<TCW>Lantizia, wierd... but feel free to install ubuntu if you feel that would be better. At least I would prefer Debian testing / unstable waaaaaay over any ubuntu release :)
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18:54<Lantizia>TCW, I use debian for all my servers and ubuntu for all the desktops... and this is more of a desktop thing anyway it might be better with ubuntu and leave debian to do all the scan/print server stuff
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18:59<TCW>Lantizia, I use debian for al my servers and guess... all my desktops as well ;)
19:00<Lantizia>servers don't usually have to interact with very new hardware - desktops do
19:00<Lantizia>typical server... heres your ethernet, your hard disk, cpu, memory - get on with it
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19:05<TCW>Lantizia, agreed, at least mostly... as all my Desktop equipment is fairly old (core 2 duo area) I could run stable wit5h a newer kernel here and there... but still I prefer sid. :)
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19:37<aodeh>Hello, I mess up my wlan0 adapter and now I cannot connect to my router. (badenglish)
19:37<aodeh>how can I "reset to default settings" my wlan0 adapter?
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19:37<aodeh>iwlist wlan0 scan works..
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20:42<aodeh>Hello, I mess up my wlan0 adapter and now I cannot connect to my router. (badenglish)
20:42<aodeh>how can I "reset to default settings" my wlan0 adapter?
20:42<aodeh>iwlist wlan0 scan works..
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21:10<definitelylion>hi folks :). I'm having a bit of trouble implementing debconf support in one a debian package. it installs fine with dpkg (http://pastie.org/3273150), but not with apt(-get|itude) (http://pastie.org/3273152)
21:10<definitelylion>debian/config: http://pastie.org/3273160 debian/postinst: http://pastie.org/3273157
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21:18<kop>definitelylion: You can also try #debian-mentors. They help with packaging.
21:19<definitelylion>kop, thanks :) unfortunately, it appears to be invite-only
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21:20<definitelylion>oh wait
21:20<definitelylion>a ha!
21:20<definitelylion>i was on freenode
21:21<aodeh>Hello, I mess up my wlan0 adapter and now I cannot connect to my router. (badenglish)
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21:21<aodeh>how can I "reset to default settings" my wlan0 adapter?
21:21<aodeh>iwlist wlan0 scan works..
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21:45<codemonkey1337>hey guys, I need some debian advice. I'm running debian wheezy though virtualbox and it has an ssh server on it that I need to use, so I need the ip address on the secondary "fake" inteface to be static...however I have to constantly edit the /etc/network/interfaces file with the same information over and over agian
21:45<codemonkey1337>how can I fix this?
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21:53<Gerowen>Question, recently (past week or so), the dbus-daemon process has been using an abnormally high amount (3-4%) of CPU time, and is causing my home server to run unusually loud to keep the temperature down. Is there any way to see what could be sending messages to dbus so I could resolve whatever problem there is?
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22:03<Solarbaby>codemonkey1337: does it not save the changes for you?
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22:04<Gerowen>Another question. What is a useful tool for setting quotas? For example, let's say that when I work on a computer for friends, I give them a temporary FTP username/password and put their file backups in there. Let's say I want to limit their FTP folder to a certain size, and that the external hard drive is formatted in ext4. What would you guys recommend for an effective and easy to implement solution for setting quotas on indivi
22:04<Gerowen>dual folders?
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22:32<aodeh>Hello, I mess up my wlan0 adapter and now I cannot connect to my router. (badenglish)
22:32<aodeh>how can I "reset to default settings" my wlan0 adapter?
22:33<jardiamj>what exactly did you do aodeh?
22:34<aodeh>jardiamj: set wlan0 into promisc mode
22:34<aodeh>i think so .
22:34<aodeh>ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 promisc
22:35<aodeh>i haven't tried rebooting system
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22:38<jardiamj>I've never dealt with this so called pomisc mode..
22:38<jardiamj>to be honest
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22:39<brian_>Anyone know of a vendor that deals explicitly Linux compatible wifi gear?
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22:40<jardiamj>have you tried getting wlan0 down
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22:40<jardiamj>and they up using iwconfig
22:43<jardiamj>*then
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22:55<aodeh>jardiamj how ?
22:55<aodeh>ifconfig down? and then?
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22:57<jardiamj>aodeh, then ifup wlan0 and iwconfig wlan0
22:58<jardiamj>how do you have you /etc/network/interfaces
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22:58<aodeh># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
22:58<aodeh># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
22:58<aodeh># The loopback network interface
22:58<aodeh>auto lo
22:58<aodeh>iface lo inet loopback
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22:59<aodeh_>flood lol.
22:59<aodeh_>http://pastebin.com/UgEvViRR
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23:04<jardiamj>and think your essid also needs to be there..
23:04<jardiamj>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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23:25<MTecknology>I ran through 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' but I still can't make the system use a dvorak
23:25<MTecknology>I'm only using the command line, not sure if that makes a difference at all... any thoughts?
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23:30<gsimmons>MTecknology: Have you run setupcon?
23:33<MTecknology>gsimmons: no- what do i need to install for that?
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23:42<deansu>MTecknology: are you trying to enable dvorak for the console or xserver?
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23:43<MTecknology>deansu: console
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23:43<deansu>try d-reconf console-setup
23:44<deansu>I should have really just typed that out completely, as its is more confusing, and now I've had to explain it my laziness really didn't pay off
23:44<MTecknology>I lol
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23:46<MTecknology>I tried that but it seems to have nothing to do with dvorak; console-data on the other hand did let me select a dvorak layout but it had no effect
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23:48<gsimmons>MTecknology: Again, run setupcon (provided by console-setup).
23:49<deansu>oh, you might need to install console-data
23:50<MTecknology>gsimmons: I ran that and no output
23:50<MTecknology>deansu: it's installed
23:51<deansu>which version?
23:52<MTecknology>6.0.4
23:52<gsimmons>MTecknology: The output of "setupcon -v" and the contents of /etc/default/keyboard at a paste site (/msg dpkg paste) would be useful to examine.
23:52<deansu>MTecknology: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? console-setup was a red herring of my dodgy memory it turns out
23:53<MTecknology>deansu: ya- i even mentioned that i tried it
23:53<deansu>oh sorry. my mistake
23:54<MTecknology>http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?27063
23:55<MTecknology>setupcon -v no output
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23:56<MTecknology>I feel like such a pain in peoples asses today :(
23:56<deansu>does sudo loadkeys dvorak work?
23:57<MTecknology>what package does loadkeys come in?
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23:58<deansu>kbd
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23:58<MTecknology>that did work
23:59<deansu>oo.
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