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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-01-30

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00:12<Gerowen>So what is Alioth? A 3rd party company that hosts debian resources?
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00:13<jardiamj>http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth
00:13<jardiamj>Gerowen, ^^
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00:13<Joeindia>what are the pakage to install kerberos serveur for nfs please ?
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00:17<TuanAdan>jardiamj: thank. :d
00:17<Gerowen>Joeindia: Just looking in synaptic for the terms "kerberos" and "nfs", I found one named nfs-kernel-server , check it out see if that's what you want.
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01:19<codemonkey1337>guys, I've been asking every techy IRC channel and googling for days trying to find out a remote RDP client that works under windows and would use the RDP v5 protocol...I know this is a long shot, but do you guys know a portable version that works for windows?
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01:30<codemonkey1337>darn, I knew no one would know.
01:30<codemonkey1337>maybe there is no such thing
01:31<kop>codemonkey1337: You're also way-offtopic.
01:31<codemonkey1337>kop: well if it brings it back to topic, I'm trying to connect to a debian VM. But hey, it looks like no one knows so I'll withdraw my statement
01:32<kop>codemonkey1337: Why not vnc?
01:32<codemonkey1337>are we still off topic?
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01:33<codemonkey1337>I couldn't get the tightvncserver program/deamon, to actually bring up a virtual desktop.
01:33<codemonkey1337>plus, since I'm running off a live cd, the sytem actually has to be started for a VNC session to be enabled.
01:33<codemonkey1337>least that's what I thought
01:33<kop>codemonkey1337: Probably not. If someone complains we'll go to #debian-offtopic. It's always good to know the big picture, whereas clients for MS Windows is pretty much a MS Windows-only subject.
01:34<codemonkey1337>with RDP, I can control the VM as soon as it brings up the boot screen
01:34<codemonkey1337>and I can CHOOSE to go into a gnome session or stay in text mode (for ssh)
01:34<kop>codemonkey1337: You may want X11vnc. That will give you per-X-session connecivity, which means that you just need to reconnect after logout.
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01:35<codemonkey1337>kop: thanks, but I'd rather not go with another VNC client. I had a really hard time getting the RDP to work, and I'd rather not do any more port forwaring from the router, to the host, to the VM.
01:35<kop>codemonkey1337: Dunno about text mode. In the general case the right way is with a seial console.
01:35<codemonkey1337>seial?
01:36<kop>codemonkey1337: You'd have to tunnel vnc, at least if you need security over the network. And using a vpn would solve your port forwarding problems.
01:37<codemonkey1337>yea, another reason why I'd rather use RDP...no tunneling, and the connection is encrypted.
01:37<codemonkey1337>at least that's what I read
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01:39<kop>codemonkey1337: I have openvpn tunnel _out_ from within NAT etc and then I can connect without hassle.
01:39<kop>codemonkey1337: Is the encryption any good? Historically they've sucked.
01:39<codemonkey1337>kop: dude, I'm a second year student...I really don't know much about encryption yet.
01:40<kop>codemonkey1337: There's always wikipedia. :-)
01:40<codemonkey1337>all i care about is it works, there isn't much damage a hacker could do inside a VM machine
01:40<codemonkey1337>especially since the LIVE cd is required to get it to boot properly and the / directory is located on a ramdisk
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01:41<kop>codemonkey1337: serial
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01:41<kop>!serial console
01:41<dpkg>A serial console can be used to administrate a system or capture kernel crash/panic information. http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/serial-console.txt . You will also want your bootloader to use the serial console. See also <netconsole>.
01:41<codemonkey1337>dpkg, um thanks? I didn't really ask though
01:41<dpkg>codemonkey1337: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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01:42<kop>codemonkey1337: As in RS232 (although technically, that's not really right.)
01:42<kop>codemonkey1337: dpkg is a bot
01:42<codemonkey1337>dpkg: you're a bot aren't you
01:42<dpkg>codemonkey1337: bugger all, i dunno
01:42<kop>!dpkgbot
01:42<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
01:44<codemonkey1337>just FYI, I would take a cryptology course if it was offered by my college, but I'd probably have to get a bit better in math.
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01:47<kop>codemonkey1337: To get good at it you'd have to get a lot _more_ math. But the important thing is to understand the concepts, and then rely on the experts for analysis of the algorythems, which is all everybody does anyway.
01:48<codemonkey1337>how much more math? I already finished the 3 semester calculus series
01:49<kop>codemonkey1337: Probably 2 semesters of abstract algebra. You'd have to talk to a math professor to be sure.
01:50<kop>codemonkey1337: A probability and statistics course too.
01:50<codemonkey1337>I'm not sure how high abstract algebra is on the math scale...I've never heard of it; probably because I never took at the university catalog's math section.
01:51<kop>codemonkey1337: Abstract algebra proves that 1 + 1 = 2, after about a years worth of study.
01:51<codemonkey1337>wow
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01:51<codemonkey1337>yea, I'm not good with proofs.
01:51<codemonkey1337>I had trouble with alot of the basic vector ones in calculus 3
01:51<kop>codemonkey1337: Perhaps #debian-offtopic?
01:52<codemonkey1337>um...I really didn't bring up the topic...
01:52<codemonkey1337>but I need to get some rest anyway
01:52<kop>codemonkey1337: No, but if you want to keep chatting we should go there.
01:52<codemonkey1337>maybe tormorrow
01:53<codemonkey1337>I have my sys prog in unix class tomorrow (we use debian wheeezy)! yay!
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01:53<codemonkey1337>so later
01:53<codemonkey1337>thanks for the help
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01:59<echo_>Was wondering if any body had a clue when kernel 2.3 would be in testing.
02:00<retro|blah>2.3?
02:00<retro|blah>(Try #debian-next)
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02:03<nightsh>try rearranging the numbers, make it 3.2 :P
02:03<jardiamj>2.3?
02:03<echo_>retro|blah I am on Squeeze on most of my machines but tend to drop in newer Linux versions (kernels) there is quite a lot in going on with Mesa, power usage etc in that kernel
02:04<echo_>jardiamj yeah it has been released like two weeks ago.
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02:06<jm_>squeeze bpo has 3.2
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02:07<echo_>Not jm_ sorry ... lets blame it on dyslexia :)
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02:13<echo_>jm_ there is a bpo for 3.2?
02:13<jm_>judd kernels
02:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.1-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.1-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
02:13<jm_>so yes
02:15<echo_>smiles.
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02:18<echo_>I can understand the Debian logic of now tossing in superfluous Kernel modules for SELinux AND Apparmor. What I don't get is why SELinux is not enabled by default. A quick ls -Z shows that.
02:18<echo_>not
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02:19<jm_>some info here http://etbe.coker.com.au/2012/01/25/se-linux-status-2012-01/
02:20<echo_>jm_ seriously thx
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03:14<hendry>hmm, what's happened to http://anonscm.debian.org/ ?
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03:15<ansgar>hendry: Hardware problems.
03:15<hendry>ansgar: ah thanks, is there a place to track it's status?
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05:13<maluku>Goodmorning
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05:14<maluku>Michel?
05:14<maluku>Michel?
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05:29<nick_>lol
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05:29<pieter>hiya, guys
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05:29<nick_>lolol
05:29<nick_>NO U
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05:29<nick_>NO U
05:30<babilen>nick_: Do you have a Debian related question?
05:30<nick_>NO
05:30<babilen>nick_: Be silent in that case. This is not a chat channel. Thank you.
05:31<nick_>NO U
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05:31<themill>nick_: take your friends and play elsewhere, thanks.
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07:09<vmuser>something im compiling requires QT4, how do I install this?
07:09<vmuser>what is the package name
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07:20<AgentC>hi again
07:20<AgentC>Black_Prince: are you online?
07:23<AgentC>I switched from squeeze to testing, first try crashed everything, i made just the apt-get update and then dist-upgrade, result was crashed configurations/icons and so on. on 2nd try i made 1st an upgrade, then 2nd the dist-upgrade, whrere configurations was hold, so this version of testing is now running.
07:23<AgentC>(with old configurations)
07:24<AgentC>i had to restore a backup of my system after 1st try, cause everything was broken
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07:29<amitz>debian testing is not guaranteed to work out of the box.
07:29<slam>AgentC: testing issues pls at #debian-next
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07:30<AgentC>amitz: i know, guaranteed is to have the newest updates, not guranteed is that they work. ;=) right?
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07:31<amitz>not really, sid/experimental is the newest. but the people of #debian-next can elaborate.
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08:11<html_5>hi yeall
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08:27<cmacis>Afternoon folks. I've screwed up my transition from stable to sid quite badly. So bad that I now can't get past GRUB. I'll run off a sid installation CD after uni. Is there a way to get the install cd to recognise and keep my encrypted /home partition, or do I have to raise the file system to the ground and start again?
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08:43<html_5>cmacis, its a gess try to reinstall the bootloader
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08:52<html_5>what just happen?
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08:52<dmtarmey>hello does anyone know were i can get some advice on science software pls?
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08:54<html_5> a tiny bit
08:55<html_5>dmtarmey
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09:04<mountains>Hi all. Is it possible to get apt-cache to use a specific repository when querying packages? For example, I'd like my workstation running Debian stable to be able to look up information about packages with apt-cache against our development, bespoke debian repository, but without needing an instance of that environment.
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09:05<mountains>I'd also like to avoid the need to add such information to /etc/apt/sources.list file.
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09:06<Eren>any safe way to update nginx to 0.8.x version in stable?
09:06<Eren>I need scgi which is present it 0.8.x versions, however, in stable we only have 0.7.67
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09:07<themill>mountains: you could tell apt to use a different directory for its config files and for its downloaded Packages files. There are lots of knobs that you can specify with -o (see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf)
09:07<mountains>themill: Ah, that might be just what I need, thanks. I'll take a look.
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09:08<shanks>anyone here with experience in NIC bonding. I've set it up as per documentation and although it appears to work, by which I mean syslog says all the right things, in practice my connection drops. how to diagnose?
09:08<themill>mountains: something like http://git.nanonanonano.net/?p=judd.git;a=blob;f=supybot/plugins/Piccy/refreshdata;hb=HEAD#l347 might provide inspiration.
09:10<Joeindia>hello
09:10<Joeindia>i need help on kerberos and nfs please !
09:10<themill>mountains: that script fetches Packages from a mirror, collates a cache of available packages and queries the list of available packages all as non-root, using a directory in /tmp
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09:31<jhutchins_lt>Pretty sure most of the apt tools allow you to specify a configuration file/directory on the command line.
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09:44<erp>are the us mirrors being slow for anyone else
09:44<erp>?
09:44<erp>im gettin like 135/kbs
09:44<erp>kbps*
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10:00<mountains>jhutchins_lt: Not that I can tell.
10:01<mountains>themill: Thanks; that did the trick nicely.
10:01<themill>good stuff
10:01<jhutchins_lt>Maybe I'm thinking of rpm systems.
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10:02<ribe>quick question: I know of the DEB and RPM systems, is there another type of linux os?
10:03<themill>jhutchins_lt: apt doesn't have a simple, single config file. So you can override each configuration option or the location of the config files that it should use with various -o options.
10:04<daemonkeeper>ribe: Slackware and Gentoo use different formats again.
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10:04<ribe>thanks, daemonkeeper
10:04<ribe>is slackware more linux like?
10:04<daemonkeeper>oO
10:04<ribe>or more Unix like?
10:05<daemonkeeper>Define Unix.
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10:05<daemonkeeper>Also you are in #debian in here. We cannot support Slackware.
10:05<ribe>I just crashed and burned trying to install Free BSD
10:05<Joeindia>i need help on kerberos and nfs please !
10:06<Joeindia>allready installed and configured but not working togather :'(
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10:07<jhutchins_lt>ribe: BSD is a Unix distribution.
10:08<daemonkeeper>It's not.
10:08<jhutchins_lt>The Unix standard is Posix, and most Linux distributions meet the standard.
10:08<daemonkeeper>(but that's off-topic here)
10:08<ribe>yes jhutchins_lt I installed it and got it working to the terminal level. AND that was it!!!!
10:08<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Um, that's what Berkeley distributed, Unix.
10:08<ribe>Its ok, I just wanted to look into it.
10:09<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Berkeley vs. AT&T.
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10:09<ribe>i was attracted to the stablility and stuff things that we have come acustomed to using Debian
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10:38<jmaslibre>Hello, do you know a guide to install oracle's java jdk in debian stable? I have been searching for one, but I just found very old guides.
10:39<jmaslibre>*but I only find some very old guides (sorry for my English)
10:40<diablesa>fghthj4tm
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10:43<babilen>jmaslibre: sun-java6-jdk is in squeeze/non-free, but has been removed in testing/unstable due to bugs and licensing problems. I would strongly recommend to use OpenJDK instead, but you can also install Sun's if you really really have to provided that you have non-free enabled. See "/msg dpkg non-free sources" and "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list"
10:45<babilen>,versions sun-java6-jdk
10:45<judd>Package: sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1
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10:47<AgentC>i've an installed testing, what to do to install gnome3 ? gnome2 is still installed and running stable...
10:48<babilen>AgentC: I would recommend to ask in #debian-next and paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy gnome" along with the output of "aptitude search ~o" to http://paste.debian.net
10:49<babilen>AgentC: Please also provide details on how you installed testing.
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10:49<jmaslibre>babilen: thanks a lot, I use openjdk 6 in my personal computer, but at work, they require oracle's jdk
10:49<AgentC>babilen: thanks, ill try
10:50<babilen>jmaslibre: That should be changed if you plan to target JVM7 in the future as OpenJDK is the reference implementation for that version.
10:50<jmaslibre>The problem with the package in stable/non-free, IFAIK is that due to the licensing problems it is not up to date.
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10:51<jmaslibre>babilen: you are right, and I hope to see that change happening soon. openjdk 7 FTW!!
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10:51<babilen>jmaslibre: Great -- There shouldn't be a problem to install sun-java6-jdk once you've enabled non-free/contrib repositories though.
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10:53<babilen>jmaslibre: It should be noted that the version in squeeze is probably not the newest one available from Oracle/Sun, which is due to licensing changes that prohibit us to ship newer versions. If you require the newest version you'll have to download it from Oracle directly.
10:54<babilen>jmaslibre: That will, however, result in more work as you probably want to integrate it into the system and, in particular, configure the alternative's system correctly.
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10:58<jmaslibre>babilen: thanks for the help.
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10:59<franzel>can someone help my with html on debian
10:59<franzel>I know that it is located at /var/www/
10:59<franzel>but what editor can I use to edit it?
11:00<franzel>then save it....always tells my I don't have permission when I use the text editor gedit
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11:02<jmaslibre>franzel: maybe a better approach is to use a subdirectory there
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11:02<jmaslibre>franzel: sudo mkdir /var/www/franzel-www
11:02<jmaslibre>franzel: sudo chown franzel:franzel /var/www/franzel-www
11:03<jmaslibre>franzel: sudo chmod a+rx /var/www/franzel-www
11:03<jmaslibre>franzel: sudo chmod -R a+r /var/www/franzel-www
11:03<jmaslibre>franzel: then you can use gedit.
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11:04<franzel>then for me to point my url franzel.myftp.org to it would be?
11:04<franzel>like creating a redirect html tag -> meta refresh url="xxxx"
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11:09<franzel>can I chmod the www directory to allow me to update the index in the www directory?
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11:12<gdb>franzel: Yes, add group write (optionally set the group sticky bit) and add yourself to the correct group.
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11:13<franzel>gdb: How do I go about adding myself to the correct group?
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11:13<gdb>I'd suggest this: addgroup www ; usermod -G www -a $username ; chgrp www /var/www ; chmod 2775 /var/www
11:13<gdb>usermod -G $group -a $user -- this will add $username to $group
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11:13<gdb>you'll need to relog and run "newgrp $group" to get the permissions active
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11:14<franzel>thanks gdb
11:14<gdb>The sticky bit on the group for the directory will ensure that new files you create there will be owned by $username.www rather than $username.$username
11:14<gdb>Sure thing!
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11:15<franzel>I am assuming I will replace username with franzel
11:15<gdb>I set up /opt and /usr/local the same way so I can screw around in there without being root.
11:15<gdb>Yes
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11:16<gdb>As for the group, call it whatever you like. Just don't use www-data -- that user/group is meant to have no permissions to any files as it's what the web server runs as.
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11:16<gdb>No permissions other than "other".
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11:20<franzel>gdb: gdb: usermod -G $group -a $user -- this will add $username to $group --> returned '-a does not exist'
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11:21<babilen>"adduser USER GROUP"
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11:22<franzel>babilen: So the new command would be usermod -G $group "adduser USER GROUP
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11:23<gdb>franzel: Well, replace $user with your actual username. I'm using $variable notation (like in a shell script) to illustrate where you'll replace those values with the correct ones.
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11:23<babilen>franzel: No - An easy way to add user $USER to group $GROUP is to run "adduser $USER $GROUP" and relogin.
11:23<babilen>franzel: Also read "man adduser"
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11:24<franzel>gdb it still didn't understand the -a
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11:26<franzel>babilen: when putting in adduser $franzel $group -> ONly one or two names allowed
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11:27<babilen>franzel: Could you show me the command and output on http://paste.debian.net ?
11:28<franzel>babilen, just added it
11:29<franzel>paste.debian.net/154080
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11:30<babilen>franzel: Is your username $franzel? And which group is $group? -- Is *that* really the command you executed? To which group do you want to add which user?
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11:31<franzel>Crap I just realized my group is called www -> addgroup www ; usermod -G www -a $franzel ; chgrp www /var/www ; chmod 2775 /var/www
11:32<babilen>no
11:32<franzel>ok...what did I do wrong?
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11:32<babilen>franzel: You want "adduser franzel www" if you want to add user "franzel" to group "www"
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11:33<babilen>You really don't want the "$" in those commands.
11:33<franzel>ok removing the $ worked
11:33<franzel>thanks
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11:36<franzel>babilen relogin means logoff debian and relogin correct? If so, then I still can't edit the index.html in the /var/www directory
11:36<Zathras>are all pg_* (postgresql) scripts (most mapping to pg_wrapper -> pg_ctlcluster) in debian compliant to psql exit codes?
11:37<franzel>instead, it now shows that I have a lock above the file
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11:38<Zathras>It would be nice if error and warning would give different exit codes. But I kind of doubt that. With the exception of connection errors that is
11:38<babilen>franzel: I have no idea what you are trying to do -- Just wanted to mention adduser.
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11:40<Zathras>franzel, usually /var/www is owned by www-data and not www
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11:41<franzel>ok...I created a group called www so that I can edit the hmtl files in the /var/www folder
11:41<Zathras>if user franzel is not a member of the group owning /var/www you cannot edit files there
11:42<Zathras>franzel, what is it that you want to achieve?
11:42<franzel>Zathras: Doesn't this add me to that group -> addgroup www ; usermod -G www -a $franzel ; chgrp www /var/www ; chmod 2775 /var/www
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11:43<jhutchins_lt>http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html
11:43<babilen>franzel: I shall repeat it one more time: Do *not* use $ in the command arguments and use "adduser USER GROUP" to add a user to group.
11:44<franzel>babilen I did remove the $ and it did add me to the group, but I can't update the index.html located at /var/www
11:44<Zathras>franzel, what is more important than you being added to some group are the facts: 1) www-data is the default for /var/www and making adjustments to that has impact on the system so you have to be sure what you are doing. 2) you can only do something to dirs&files if you have rights on them so the rights to /var/www are important
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11:45<Zathras>franzel, you do not need usermid, use adduser instead
11:45<Zathras>*usermod
11:46<Zathras>if you have trouble with userrights you should really think twice before changing anything on a directory managed by a daemon (http server)
11:46<lp>does make-kpkg in squeeze still recognize PATH_THE_KERNEL=YES?
11:47<lp>i mean PATCH_THE_KERNEL, of course :(
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11:48<lp>the —added-patches seems to be gone
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11:49<franzel>Zathras ok. so leave the index.html file on the /var/www alone per your suggestion. Here is my question instead then...if my url is username.mftp.org and every time I type that in, I get the "It works ...This is the default web page for this server." How do I go about changing the default page....I thought that creating files in the /var/www folder was the option, hence wanting to edit the index.html file in the /var/www directory
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11:49<franzel>and possible add my username to the www-data group, but per your suggestion shouldn't be done.
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11:52<Zathras>franzel, you can do that. www-data is a better group to add a user to than creating a new group
11:53<Zathras>but there are alternatives: public_html setup is user homedirs for inastance
11:53<franzel>ok so I should adduser franzel www-data?
11:53<Zathras>*instance
11:53<Zathras>hence my asking what you want to achieve
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11:53<franzel>I did create a folder called public_hmtl, but that still didn't allow me to just type in the url username.homeip.org
11:54<themill>umm..... that's wrong on so many levels
11:54<franzel>when going the the url with public_html folder created, it took me to the index.html in the /var/www folder
11:54<Zathras>you need to configure apache (or whatever alternative) to use that. Thing do not just simply work out of the box
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11:55<franzel>OK configure apache to the default folder should be /var/www/public_html instead of the /var/www
11:55<Zathras>no
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11:56<franzel>now I'm really confused
11:56<Zathras>1. read docs. 2. create /home/franzel/public_html 3. configure apache 4. restart apache. 5. check
11:57<Zathras>or become root and just put the files in /var/www and chown then to www-data
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11:57<Zathras>*them
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12:00<babilen>franzel: fwiw, I second what Zathras just said
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12:03<franzel>thanks zathras, babilen, and jmaslibre....reading the apache documentation first when will create /home/franzel/public_html, config apache, restart apache, and check
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12:03<Zathras>hint: a2enmod userdir
12:04<Zathras>still reading docs is not a bad idea
12:04<babilen>franzel: You probably also want to read /usr/share/doc/apache2*/README.Debian.gz
12:05<franzel>thanks guys...so new to debian and have been creating html for a while via paid server and thought I would just jump into modifying html files in any directory
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12:09<jordanm>unfortanetely little carries over from web design to web server administration
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12:12<Zathras>franzel, for a production webserver I would not recommend userdir but would use /var/www instead. Also be careful about filerights and patching etc. System/webserver administration is a different cookie compared to html
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12:31<franzel>Zathras: so, is your suggestion just putting all my files in /var/www and add my username to the www-data usergroup?
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12:32<gdb>Do not use www-data.
12:33<gdb>At least I'd recommend against it.
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12:34<gdb>Make up something else, like www, or web, or webadmin, or whatever. The web server (apache, nginx, etc) runs as www-data. You don't want the web server to have write permissions anywhere on the system.
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12:38<franzel>gdb, isn't that what we did earlier....created a group called www
12:38<franzel>added myself "franzel" as a user to the www group
12:38<gdb>franzel: Yes, but I see you mentioning "add my username to the www-data usergroup".
12:38<gdb>I just wanted to hasten to recommend against that. :-)
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12:39<franzel>OK...but with adding myself to the group to the www, I still cannot edit the index.html file in the directory /var/www/index.html
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13:09<valdyn>!wikifaq franzel Permissions
13:09<dpkg>franzel: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/
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13:09<franzel>thanks valdyn
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13:13<babilen>franzel: I would also recommend to read /usr/share/doc/apache2*/README.Debian.gz
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13:15<Partempt>Is anyone here familiar with the e1000e ethernet driver for Intel chips?
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13:17<franzel>babilen: went to go look for that file when you mentioned earlier, but couldn't find it
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13:20<babilen>franzel: You should have something like /usr/share/doc/apache2-mpm-worker/README.Debian.gz (if you installed the apache2-mpm-worker package (adapt if necessary) -- There are plenty of other README.* files (* being a wildcard here!) in the /usr/share/doc/apache* directories
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13:29<franzel>babilen: found em...thanks
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14:27<Sharky>i think i killed the bot
14:27<Sharky>!ubuntu
14:27<Sharky>yea....
14:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:27<Sharky>oh wait there we go
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14:29<weasel>it ate'nt dead
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14:34<jhutchins_lt>Remember that dpkg's resources are shared among several channels.
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14:34<jhutchins_lt>...plus people making private queries.
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14:53<n450>hi
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14:57<dougmencken>hi guys; help me with moutning DVD
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14:58<dougmencken>can you help me with that?
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14:59<dougmencken>w/o that idiot on query, yeah
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15:00<dougmencken>who is op on this channel?
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15:01<dougmencken>15:00 <incog> This is how stupid you look: ☆♥★~ who is op on this channel? ~★ <<
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15:02-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
15:02<dougmencken>/ignore incog
15:02-!-incog is now known as lncog
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15:03<dougmencken>I'm using Debian
15:03<dougmencken>can you help me?
15:03<lncog>sure
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15:03<dougmencken>lncog: nice; after all that colored incog stuff
15:03<harry>Did anyone know how to configure correct date? I'm using Xfce on Wheezy. The time is correct while the date is wrong.
15:04<dondelelcaro>harry: they're one and the same thing
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15:04-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
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15:05<dondelelcaro>harry: install ntp and you should be good.
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15:06<dougmencken>so... can you help me with mouting that DVD?
15:06<dougmencken>nying*
15:06<dougmencken>nting*
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15:07<harry>dondelelcaro. yes I know that I have set it with my correct timezone. I'll try the ntp solution. Thanks.
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15:10<scientes>how do i set capabilitise in debian
15:10<scientes>so i dont have to suid ping and ping6
15:10<scientes>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using_File_Capabilities_Instead_Of_Setuid
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15:11<scientes>found it libcap2-bin nvm
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15:16<dougmencken>which is the current version of mono in debian sid?
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15:17<dougmencken>/msg bot someoption
15:17<harry>thanks dondelelcaro. it worked mate. easy!
15:17<dougmencken>;)
15:17<dougmencken>harry: np
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15:18<Black_Prince>judd: versions mono
15:18<judd>No package named 'mono' was found in i386.
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15:18<dougmencken>judd: ??
15:19<dougmencken>judd: try apt-cache search
15:19<dougmencken>$ apt-cache search mono | wc -l
15:19<dougmencken>431
15:19*Black_Prince giggles
15:19<Black_Prince>judd is a bot
15:20<dougmencken>99% of you are bots :)
15:20<gdb>Look for the version of mono-runtime.
15:20*Black_Prince hates when someone thinks that he's a bot.
15:20<retrospectacus>beep boop
15:20<dougmencken>Black_Prince: hello
15:20<dougmencken>Black_Prince: how are you
15:20<Black_Prince>I've had better days
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15:21<gdb>2.10.5-2 is the version in sid
15:21<dougmencken>Black_Prince: I'm 5-size boob girl
15:21<Black_Prince>So?
15:21<dougmencken>Black_Prince: ah
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15:22<dougmencken>gdb: yeah, but it has been fixed in commit 94b662ddb625eb1998c807af09ff82908d3eb840
15:22<dougmencken>Author: Zoltan Varga <vargaz@gmail.com>
15:23<dougmencken>Disable some TLS fallback code on ppc as it does not work. Fixes #2717.
15:23<dougmencken>debian doesn't care much for powerpc, doesn't it
15:23*dougmencken cares
15:24<scientes>does ubifs not support capabilities?
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15:24<scientes># setcap cap_net_raw+ep /bin/ping
15:24<scientes>Failed to set capabilities on file `/bin/ping' (Operation not supported)
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15:24<project2510a>if anybody running wheezy can you please confirm that there is no /usr/lib/libperl.so symlink?
15:24<scientes>plug:/mnt/linux# ls -al /usr/lib/libperl.so
15:24<scientes>ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libperl.so: No such file or directory
15:24<Black_Prince>/usr/lib/yourarch-linux-gnu/libperl.so ...
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15:25<scientes>^^^
15:25<Black_Prince>libperl-dev needed tough :)
15:25<project2510a>aha
15:25<project2510a>hm
15:25<dougmencken>scientes: I just wonder why somebody does want that; like openldap instead of newusers
15:25<project2510a>root@node30:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu# ls -l libpe*
15:25<project2510a>ls: cannot access libpe*: No such file or directory
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15:25<Black_Prince>judd: info libperl5.14
15:25<judd>No package named 'libperl5.14' was found in squeeze/i386.
15:25<dougmencken>project2510a: x86
15:25<Black_Prince>judd: info libperl5.14 --release wheezy
15:25<judd>Package libperl5.14 (libs, optional) in wheezy/i386: shared Perl library. Version: 5.14.2-6; Size: 707.7k; Installed: 1588k
15:26<project2510a>dougmencken: hm?
15:26<Black_Prince>Verify if you have that one installed :)
15:26<scientes># ls -al /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libper*
15:26<scientes>ls: cannot access /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libper*: No such file or directory
15:26<project2510a>Black_Prince: verified
15:26<scientes>but perl is installed
15:26<dougmencken>project2510a: on non-x86 we can't even have 64-bit userspace
15:26<dougmencken>coz that how debian guys said
15:26<project2510a>ok. i'm on intel
15:26<dougmencken>@it tooks more memory"
15:27<dougmencken>(if I'm on 64-GiB RAM machine, yep)
15:27<project2510a>ok, i'm on a 3TB machine :P
15:27<project2510a>3TB ram
15:27<dougmencken>project2510a: cat /proc/meminfo
15:27<scientes>project2510a, WTF!
15:27<Black_Prince>3TB ?
15:27<Black_Prince>...
15:27<project2510a>SGI ALTIX
15:27<project2510a>running debian ^_^
15:28<dougmencken>project2510a: cat /proc/meminfo | head -4
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15:28<project2510a>dougmencken: i'd love to compare, but i got some work to do dude.
15:28<project2510a>i will come back
15:28<dougmencken>argh
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15:29<project2510a>anyway
15:29<project2510a>can i get consensus if this is a bug or not?
15:29<project2510a> /usr/lib/libperl.so should be there as a symlink, correct?
15:29<project2510a>on wheezy
15:29<themill>no
15:29<scientes>you mean /usr/lib/$TRI/libperl.so?
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15:30<dougmencken>the most worse is that there's /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/
15:30<project2510a>sorry, $TRI ?
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15:30<dougmencken>and no symlinks
15:30<themill>project2510a: architecture triplet
15:30<project2510a>kk
15:30<project2510a>ta themill
15:30<project2510a>now, i know what it means
15:30<dougmencken>themill: are you x86 addicted guy?
15:30<project2510a>ok
15:30<themill>project2510a: welcome to multiargh
15:30<scientes>/usr/lib/libperl.so.5.14
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15:31<scientes>on my arm-linux-gnueabi wheezy
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15:31<scientes>&& /usr/lib/libperl.so.5.14.2
15:31<dougmencken>heh, everybody got ARMs now :)
15:31*Black_Prince has ARMS since he was born
15:32<project2510a>scientes: i don't have that.
15:32<project2510a>correction
15:32<project2510a>sorry
15:32<dougmencken>can your ARM stuff emulate 8-cores x86 with video accel?
15:32<dougmencken>*emualte*
15:32<project2510a>i *do* have that. but i am missing /usr/lib/libperl.so
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15:33<scientes>project2510a, thats because binary compatibility is limited to so number 5.14
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15:33<project2510a>ah!
15:33<scientes>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Nov 29 00:32 /usr/lib/libperl.so.5.14 -> libperl.so.5.14.2
15:33<scientes>and only .2 is ABI compatible with that
15:33<project2510a>so, you are making sure that not all programs can link to it.
15:33<Black_Prince>judd: versions libperl5.14 --release armel
15:33<judd>Package: libperl5.14 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-6; sid: 5.14.2-7
15:33<Black_Prince>judd: versions libperl5.14 --arch armel
15:33<judd>Package: libperl5.14 on armel -- wheezy: 5.14.2-6; sid: 5.14.2-7
15:33<dougmencken>worse thing is that mercurial (hg) gyus do love pythin 2.x so much...
15:33<project2510a>debian comes through again. i love you guys.
15:34<scientes>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 14 18:11 /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.13.so
15:34<scientes>same thing
15:34<scientes>the .so number is binary compatibility
15:34<dougmencken>they do prefer python 2.x at the level so I decided to boycotte mercurial at all
15:35<scientes>if you need another .so number you have to install older/newer packages
15:35<dougmencken>scientes: it is chroot, not a real machine
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15:35<dougmencken>scientes: uname -r
15:36<dougmencken>$ uname -r
15:36<themill>dougmencken: do you have a debian user support question? or were you looking for#moocows?
15:36<dougmencken>3.2.0-1-powerpc64
15:36<scientes>scientes, no, this is a real machine
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15:36<dougmencken>themill: I did asked, nobody answered
15:36<scientes>dougmencken, you mean uname -m
15:36<themill>dougmencken: you'd be more likely to get an answer if your signal/noise were higher
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15:37<project2510a>hi is this the ubuntu channel? *runs* :D
15:37<dougmencken>themill: is you "filter" the main thing here? to got a help here?
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15:37<scientes>dougmencken, http://www.7-cpu.com/
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15:38<dougmencken>7-Zip LZMA Benchmark << heh
15:38<synod32>hey
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15:40<dougmencken>I can only say thanks to an unknown guys who said me to #alsa, to #gcc, and to #mono channel s
15:40<dougmencken>all my reported bugs are fixed
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15:41<dougmencken>and that's great;
15:41<dougmencken>I can't even imagine
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15:41<dougmencken>how much hours did they spent to fix that
15:41<dougmencken>and that's **upstream**
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15:42<dougmencken>not only for you, dedues, who even can't normally conv with your users
15:43<dougmencken>even if he uses ubuntu, mint, finnix, etc...
15:43<dougmencken>even if debian, you always ignored him
15:43<dougmencken>your user
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15:44<dougmencken>I have a nice idea about an article about Debian
15:45*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
15:45<daemonkeeper>Is it called "Debian and me - a monologue in 10 acts"?
15:45<themill>dougmencken: if you have a question, please ask it; please take your rambling elsewhere.
15:45<dougmencken>RedHat Fedora ditched powerpc, Novell SuSe ditched powerpc, now there're only debian, gentoo, and crux
15:45<dougmencken>themill: you haven't even answered to any of my quesions
15:45<Black_Prince>And Cross-LFS :D
15:46<dougmencken>Black_Prince: yeah :)
15:46<daemonkeeper>dougmencken: Because you are off-topic here,
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15:46<themill>dougmencken: I can't find them amongst your noise, and no, I'm not going to read through every line of your drivel to find them again.
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15:46<scientes>anyone know why capabilities isn't working on my armel machine with rootfs of ubifs?
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15:47<dougmencken>themill: nice, I'm so glad that you do like your users so much
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15:47<dougmencken>daemonkeeper: am I? off-topic?
15:47<themill>dougmencken: if you just asked a question, you might get an answer. It's very simple.
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15:47<@Ganneff>dougmencken: do you have any debian support question? if not -> #debian-offtopic
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15:47<dougmencken>themill: okay, let me scroll 5 packes above
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15:47<scientes>dougmencken, you are being off topic
15:48<dougmencken>pages*
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15:48<scientes>this channel is for asking and answering questions about debian only
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15:48<dougmencken>hi guys; help me with moutning DV
15:48<dougmencken>DVD*
15:49<valdyn>!tell dougmencken -about ask
15:49<dougmencken>on debian
15:49<dougmencken>valdyn: I don't accept querys
15:49<dougmencken>valdyn: no private
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15:49<valdyn>!ask
15:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:49<scientes>dougmencken, just use vlc to play dvds, with dvdcss
15:49<valdyn>dougmencken: read ^^
15:49<gdb>dougmencken: # mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/sr0 /mnt
15:50<gdb>question answered!
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15:50<dougmencken>okay, let's try
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15:54<dougmencken>my last question: why can't debian maints support users at the level of upstream? upstream guys do ask for more info, for everything, and eventually, they do fix the reported issue
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15:54<dougmencken>that's why I do reprot all issues to upstream
15:55<dougmencken>not to debian "maintainers"
15:55<dougmencken>who do nothing to support usersd
15:55<gdb> /dev/null is --> that way
15:55<valdyn>dougmencken: support is not their job, period
15:56<themill>dougmencken: debian users who ask sensible questions and know how to stop hitting enter after every 4 words get a lot of good support here, on ask.d.n and on the mailing lists.
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15:57<dougmencken>themill: ever , have you ever tried to get something reported by reportbug? how to watch them, for example?
15:57<themill>eh?
15:57<slam>dougmencken: report upstream issues at upstream, and debian issues at debian
15:58<slam>dougmencken: hepls a lot
15:58<valdyn>dougmencken: reporting with a functional email adress would be a start. You don't really need to watch the bug
15:58<gdb>dougmencken: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request
15:58<dougmencken>valdyn: thanks, I'm a subscriber to a lot of lists
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15:59<gdb>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe
15:59<valdyn>dougmencken: theres no subscription required either
15:59<gdb>All of this information is linked off the first page of bugs.d.o
15:59<gdb>at the top of the page, no less
15:59<dougmencken>/kick gdb
16:00<gdb> /stopbeingawhinygit dougmencken
16:00<dougmencken>gdb: I got you're bot :)
16:00<daemonkeeper>!dftt
16:00<dpkg>it has been said that dftt is don't feed the trolls
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16:01<dougmencken>daemonkeeper: no single guy on FSF land ever called be a troll
16:01<Black_Prince>dftd :P
16:01<dougmencken>s/be/me/
16:02<dougmencken>daemonkeeper: repeat it; and I'll remove debian stuff out of my sytsem
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16:02<gdb>Please repeat it. Then he'll have no reason to come back.
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16:02*Black_Prince hands dougmencken a fdisk and mkfs ... Go ahead and delete everything - it's your choice.
16:02<themill>dougmencken: please take a break from #debian and consider how you can be more signal and less noise in the future
16:03<@Ganneff>much less noise
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16:11<lexii|2>Hi I'm having some difficulty with debian display drivers, I'm using the free xorg ones for ATI Radeon HD 6xxx
16:12<lexii|2>the issue I'm having is that none of the resolutions available are the one best supported by my monitor and I don't seem to be able to generate an xorg.conf because it complains that gdm is running... so I stopped gdm and tried Xorg -configure again and it gave out about a segmentation fault
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16:14<kop>msg dpkg usbmount =~ s/<pmount>/<pmount, Bug#658028/
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16:14<lexii|2>anyone able to help?
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16:15<kop>lexii|2: You may need to wait a while for an answer.
16:15<m0rtis0000>quick question..
16:15<lexii|2>kop: thanks
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16:16<m0rtis0000>getting an "unable to mount ####" (permission denied on a goflex external 3TB drive)
16:16<kop>!tell m0rtis0000 about pmount
16:16<m0rtis0000>says i have to check the ntfs-3g binary permissions?
16:16<sney>lexii|2: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
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16:17<lexii|2>mney: no
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16:18<sney>lexii|2: that package contains the binary microcodes required for the free 'radeon' driver to function fully
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16:19<lexii|2>sney: that's odd my card isn't listed in there
16:19<lexii|2>oh wait, maybe I was thinking of another firmawar
16:19<sney>for some of them it lists gpu codenames instead of board models
16:20<sney>and make sure you don't confuse it with firmware-linux-free
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16:21<m0rtis0000>installed pmount and tried command...
16:21<m0rtis0000>came up with /dev/sdc2 is already handled by /etc/fstab
16:22<m0rtis0000>and failed to open /dev/fuse: permission denied
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16:23<Black_Prince>is your user in fuse group?
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16:24<m0rtis0000>never mind - i had to go in as admin :P
16:24<m0rtis0000>thanks, it worked :)
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16:25<lexii|2>sney: no luck
16:25<lexii|2>still won't detect my monitor, I tried the non free drivers direct from ati website but they detected the monitor but caused everything to render really slowly...
16:26<lexii|2>which is worse than the free drivers which has the wrong resolution.
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16:32<sney>lexii|2: try the following
16:32<sney>!fglrx dkms
16:32<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
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16:39<lexii|2>sney: thanks so much :)
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16:39<lexii|2>although... hmm... now it says AMD Unsupported hardware.... weird
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16:41<dougmencken>?
16:41<dougmencken>hey! I just said that I don't like debian anymore
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16:42<dougmencken>I'd move to Gentoo
16:42<gregougounet>Mandriva is nice too
16:42<dougmencken>gregougounet: x86 only
16:43<lexii|2>there is a watermark on my screen that says unsupported hardware, apparently the current version of fglrx doesn't support my graphics card
16:43<dougmencken>lexii|2: lspci | grep VGA
16:43<lexii|2>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 6758
16:44<gregougounet>dougmencken : sorry
16:44<dougmencken>lexii|2: lsmod | grep -i radeon
16:44<lexii|2>returns nothing
16:44<dougmencken>gregougounet: who the hell are you?
16:45<dougmencken>lexii|2: can you join #radeon on freenode?
16:45<gregougounet>sorry my name is Greg
16:45<gregougounet>nice to meet you
16:45<dougmencken>gregougounet: it doesn't matter; I'm moving to Gentoo
16:45<lexii|2>dougmencken: will do thanks
16:46<dougmencken>the community wich will ban you, nice community, but not for me
16:46<Black_Prince>dpkg: gentoosmite dougmencken
16:46*dpkg spends 6 weeks recompiling dougmencken, and when it's all done, dougmencken runs no faster than previously
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16:50<bc_>who cares about dougmencken
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16:56<yetr2>can't mount a dvd, and he wants to go use gentoo.. heh..
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16:59<friend_in_need>hi all, trying to help friend with hard drive on sony laptop. Won't boot...say OS missing. Tried booting off livecd but gparted cant see the drive. Might be pooched but wanting to know if there is a utility you recommend to try?
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17:00<bc_>friend_in_need: have a look at your bios. Is the hard disk there?
17:00<yetr2>re-seat the disk drive into the bay, and try again. check for normal hardware issues.
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17:03<yetr2>Also ask your friend if they are interested in training to be a british nanny. Your friend seems so to have the shaking part covered.
17:04<sney>eh, vaio laptops break if you sneeze within 1m radius of them
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17:05<PTKDev>hi!
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17:05<sney>hi
17:05<PTKDev>debhelper, Ganneff is possible reset my iorc password on this server? =(
17:05<PTKDev>i not remember it...
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17:06<sney>PTKDev: this is a Debian support channel, not oftc, ask in #support I think
17:07<PTKDev>sney, thx
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17:59<dougmencken>you... unbanned be..? why? why to ban and then unban?
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18:00<sney>dougmencken: he silenced you, gave you some sage advice, and then the silence expired automatically after a bit
18:02<sney>the purpose is to keep interference out of a channel dedicated to support. if you want to discuss channel policies, community management, free software philosophy, other distributions, manatees, or anything else not directly related to supporting Debian systems, then that has to go to #debian-offtopic and not here.
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18:03<dougmencken>sney: I'm using debian
18:03<dougmencken>sney: I do need to
18:03<dougmencken>sney: mount my won-recorded DVD
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18:03<dougmencken>s/won/own/
18:03<dougmencken>sney: that's what I asked for
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18:04<sney>alright, so what procedure did you follow when burning the dvd, what did you do in order to mount it, what did you expect and what outcome did you get?
18:05<dougmencken>sney: it has been burned by dvd-recorder device
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18:05<dougmencken>sney: it does mount in OS X 10.5.8
18:06<dougmencken>sney: I want to "explore" a folder
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18:06<sney>the 4 questions I asked are standard troubleshooting queries. please try to answer them specifically.
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18:07<dougmencken>sney: I can reportbug!
18:07<dougmencken>but I'm here, already banned 3 times
18:07<sney>I am beginning to see what the problem was before.
18:07<sney>please just stop going off on tangents and give answers to the things I asked you
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18:08<dougmencken>sney: plese, don't try to push me
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18:08<sney>remember, I am not at your computer with you, nor can I read your mind. So I need to know _exactly_ what you tried, and _exactly_ what happened, if I am going to be able to help
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18:08<dougmencken>sney: I can give you ssh access
18:08<sney>no
18:08<themill>dougmencken: if you want help, please answer sney's questions. If you're not answering questions because you don't understand what's going on, then perhaps you would be more comfortable in #debian-russian
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18:09<dougmencken>themill: ah, that's coz my socks looks like russian one, okay
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18:10<dougmencken>sney: I did inserted DVD
18:10<dougmencken>sney: it doesn't mout
18:10<dougmencken>nt*
18:11<sney>are there any error messages? also, are you using a desktop environment?
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18:11<dougmencken>sney: I'm using XFCE4
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18:12<dougmencken>dmesg says nothing
18:12<sney>have you tried mounting it manually?
18:12<dougmencken>no
18:13<themill>you were told how to do that earlier
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18:13<dougmencken>themill: I know all about eject command
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18:13<sney>yes, basically mount /dev/foo /mnt/point -t udf, where foo is the name of your dvd device; see mount -help for more details
18:14<sney>eject command is basically unrelated to mounting
18:14<dougmencken>okay, su -l
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18:16<dougmencken>sney: how to get which device is for dvd
18:16<gdb>It's likely /dev/sr0
18:17<dougmencken>wow
18:17<sney>yes, probably /dev/sr0 or /dev/scd0 - depends slightly on hardware
18:17<dougmencken>I always thought it is /dev/sda
18:17<dougmencken>or hda
18:17<sney>heh, you probably had IDE systems in the past. it took me a little while to get over that habit too. :P
18:17<dougmencken>depends on kernel config
18:18<sney>or you were reading some REALLY old howtos
18:18<dougmencken>ah okay
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18:18<sney>mm yes, everything is s* nowadays, even ide
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18:18<dougmencken>sney: on 86 side :)
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18:18<dougmencken>with acpi and such
18:18<sney>anyway, any luck?
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18:19<dougmencken>sney: reading mow about kpartx
18:19<dougmencken>s/mow/now/
18:19<sney>any luck mounting your dvd with the mount command?
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18:20<dougmencken>can't find it
18:20<sney>what can't find what?
18:20*dougmencken feels !ubuntu
18:20<gdb>You can't find the mount command? It's in /bin
18:20<dougmencken>argh
18:20<dougmencken>how to get DVD?
18:21<dougmencken>I know the mount
18:21<sney>dougmencken: just try mounting /dev/sr0 or /dev/scd0 and see what happens. if it doesn't work, nothing will break
18:21<dougmencken>ok
18:22<dougmencken>hehe, it starts to sound
18:22<sney>spinning up? good sign
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18:23<sney>if it works, it will give you no messages, and you will be able to navigate to the mount point and see your files
18:23<sney>otherwise, if there's an error, share it
18:23<dougmencken>it still spins and spins :)
18:24<dougmencken>I haven't heard thisd sound for a lot
18:24<dougmencken>thanks
18:24<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate dougmencken
18:24<dpkg>Yay dougmencken, you did it!
18:24<dougmencken>retrospectacus: nothing to congr yet, sorry
18:25<dougmencken>anyway, i'll poke alsa team guys
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18:26<dougmencken>coz there're no relevant kernel guys on irc
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18:26<dougmencken>sney: so how to stop that? and ejrct?
18:26<dougmencken>je*
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18:27<dougmencken>^C doesn't elp
18:28<dougmencken>I rememember the bug for Fedora about ejecting
18:28<sney>how to stop what? the disk spinning? it usually stops by itself after a while. You can also unmount the volume with the 'umount' command. just specify either the device name or the mount point, and umount will figure out the rest
18:28<dougmencken>the fact s that it doesn't even work on OS X
18:28<dougmencken>sney: it doesn't stop!
18:28<sney>no idea about os x, sorry, this is #debian. I'd imagine there's an os x support channel somewhere.
18:28<retrospectacus>the mount command never finished?
18:28<dougmencken>retrospectacus: yes
18:28<dougmencken>hangs
18:29<sney>see, that's something you should have mentioned.
18:29<retrospectacus>open another and type dmesg|tail - see if that has any errors about it
18:29<dougmencken>[188815.639807] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1024
18:29<dougmencken>[188815.639821] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1025
18:29<dougmencken>????
18:30<retrospectacus>bad drive/disc
18:30<dougmencken>gosh
18:30<dougmencken>uh
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18:31<retrospectacus>it's trying to read data and failing...
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18:31<dougmencken>it stopped spinning
18:31<dougmencken>just now
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18:31<dougmencken>how to mount it
18:31<gdb>The kernel gave up trying to read it.
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18:31<gdb>You don't.
18:31<gdb>Do you have a different disc to try?
18:32<dougmencken>gdb: this is the unique one, sorry
18:32<retrospectacus>it stopped spinning and your original "mount" command came back with what? any message?
18:32<dougmencken>unique record
18:32<gdb>dougmencken: Does it mount successfully on another machine? (Windows, Linux, doesn't matter)
18:32<dougmencken>retrospectacus: no, it just stopped by it own
18:33<dougmencken>gdb: can't check it. don't have another machine
18:33<retrospectacus>but the terminal didn't say anything? No error? Did it give you back to the prompt?
18:33<dougmencken>I already posted it
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18:34<dougmencken>[188815.639807] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1024
18:34<dougmencken>[188815.639821] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1025
18:34<retrospectacus>that was dmesg
18:34<retrospectacus>I mean the first terminal, where you ran "mount -t udf /dev/sr0" or something
18:34<dougmencken># mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/image/
18:34<dougmencken>^C
18:34<dougmencken>I just ^C ed it
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18:35<retrospectacus>ok, and "mount |grep sr0" says nothing? or something
18:35<dougmencken>as always: no messages
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18:36<retrospectacus>dougmencken: please run ''mount |grep sr0'' and tell me what it says (probably nothing)
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18:37<dougmencken>retrospectacus: prints nothing
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18:38<dougmencken># mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/image/
18:38<dougmencken>mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
18:38<dougmencken>mount |grep sr
18:38<dougmencken>^C^C^C^C
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18:45<retrospectacus>yep bad drive/disc/connection, try cleaning the disc or reconnecting the drive to the motherboard, replace DVD drive, etc.
18:46<dougmencken>retrospectacus: it is recorder by DVD-recorder, not "finished"
18:46<dougmencken>rded*
18:47<retrospectacus>you're trying to mount a recorded DVD that wasn't finalized?
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18:47<dougmencken>retrospectacus: yes
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18:47<dougmencken>retrospectacus: thatdevice has benn broken
18:47<dougmencken>forever
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18:48<retrospectacus>never heard of that being possible
18:48<retrospectacus>you lost me there, what device? Broken how?
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18:48<dougmencken>samsung some
18:48<dougmencken>plain mount can't
18:49<retrospectacus>make better sentences, please...
18:49<dougmencken>device is a samsung, mount han't handle that dvd
18:50<themill>sounds like you're screwed then
18:50<themill>!next
18:50<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
18:50<dougmencken>!first
18:50<dpkg>well, first is the last until 10k
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18:50<retrospectacus>yeah dougmencken you'll never get a partially burned DVD to mount
18:51<retrospectacus>throw it away
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18:51<dougmencken>retrospectacus: no
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18:51<retrospectacus>alright
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18:51<gdb>dougmencken: What retrospectacus is saying is that it's not a DVD. It's a drink coaster. Linux can mount drink coasters.
18:51<dougmencken>retrospectacus: I can reboot in OS X, after all
18:51<dougmencken>see you
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18:52<gdb>and OS X does have an eject command that works perfectly well
18:52<zdykstra>anybody here familiar with ways to optimize bash autocomplete? I have an autocomplete list of 31k items, and it takes upwards of 10 seconds to return values
18:52<retrospectacus>what did osx have to do with anything? ...
18:53<markim>logout
18:53<gdb>retrospectacus: He was complaining about OSX not having an eject command (it does, it's not called eject), and now he's going to run off to OSX (rather than Gentoo, I suppose) because Debian can't mount his drink coaster.
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19:09<blythl_>is anyone here familiar with the kernel-handbook?
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19:16<scientes>!ask | blythl_
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19:17<scientes>^^^^^lol
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19:40<blythl>scientes?
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19:42<scientes>!ask
19:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:43<Davidt>I'M IN YOUR FUCKING TOILET
19:43<Davidt>I'M IN YOUR FUCKING TOILET
19:43<Davidt>I'M IN YOUR FUCKING TOILET
19:43<Davidt>I'M IN YOUR FUCKING TOILET
19:43<Davidt>I'M IN YOUR FUCKING TOILET
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19:44<blythl>ah, I have a question related to simple patching and building of a kernel module
19:44<blythl>the module is hpsa, which afaik is part of the linux-2.6 package
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19:45<blythl>I want to update the hpsa.c hpsa.h files to reflect the current version available
19:45<blythl>I take that back. I would really like to make a .deb file that has the updated version
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19:46<blythl>similar to an rpm update of kernel module
19:47<anbe>blythl, you should take a look at dkms
19:47<gdb>blythl: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-kernel.en.html -- this document can get you pointed in the right direction
19:47<gdb>ah perhaps anbe's answer is more useful
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20:00<blythl>thank you
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20:07<blixt>I wrote a script that needs to kick in when I shut my system down. How can I hook this into the shutdown procedure?
20:08<blixt>In ArchLinux this is quite forward Just drop my script in /etc/rc.d/functions.d/
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20:09<blixt>using this guide by but its for Archlinux https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1049767
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20:12<blixt>have not found anybody on IRC that seems to have a clue but I would think I need to use rck or the likes?
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20:12<retrospectacus>blixt: sounds like you want an init script for sysv-rc
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20:12<retrospectacus>standard stuff, no idea about Arch, but /msg dpkg sysv-rc for more info
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20:16<blixt>retrospectacus I would think this is elementary stuff. In short since I use a SSD I keep my logs in tmpfs but would like to sync then back to the drive when I shutdown the system.
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20:17<blixt>I have a script to do this but just don't know in Debian how to hook it to the shutdown sequence.
20:18<retrospectacus>yep just put your command in a "stop" function in a file like /etc/init.d/skel and update the LSB headers, update-rc.d
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20:19<blixt>OK Ill give it spin.
20:19<retrospectacus>something going on at home apparently
20:20<retrospectacus>yeah you should be able to figure it out by reading the sysv docs and talking to the dpkg bot
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20:23<blixt>What tugs my wire is that I have seen a zillion "optimations" for SSD's that just dump /var/log into tmpfs but have not found one for Debian/Ubuntu illiterates how to sync it back to the SSD...?
20:24<retrospectacus>I've never bothered. If I want logs I'll read them while it's on or comment out that line from fstab for a bit.
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20:25<blixt>looking for something that I can hook add_hook sysinit_end and add_hook shutdown_preumount
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20:26<retrospectacus>not sure where you got the hook idea. Just make an init script with your command in "stop" and add it to the sequence
20:27<blixt>retrospe1tadus if you do that you get that error on shutdown abou the logs right?
20:27<dondelelcaro>or just drop it into rc6.d and rc0.d at the appropriate position
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20:27<retrospectacus>no idea, my SSD os is headless... in fact you're talking to it (retrospe1tadus)
20:28<retrospectacus>there it goes... logs are gone :P
20:29<blixt>I mean everything is /var/log is gone since its in RAM.
20:29<retrospectacus>yes.
20:29*retrospectacus does not care
20:29<retrospectacus>anyways I have to go
20:30<dondelelcaro>blixt: I'm not quite sure why you're bothering though; unless this is an old SSD, there's no reason to store logs in ram
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20:30<retrospectacus>good luck, have fun!
20:31<blixt>dondelelcaro its a OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS. Well I dick around with it and see if I can get my archlinux script to play nice.
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20:33<blixt>The reason I car is this is a server (at least some of the Xen DomU ones) with passthough using IOMMU for some RAIDS.
20:33<blixt>care
20:34<blixt>and poo poo can happen with MCL
20:34<nomad>oh poo poo
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20:34<blixt>yeah evil poo poo
20:35<blixt>Indian style.
20:35<nomad>ooooo
20:35<nomad>good one. smear butt
20:35<Xdept>I was wondering, Does can anyone help me: I want to monitor the kernel with Nagios on Debian. However Debian doesn't have grubby. How can I check the kernel?
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20:41<robbiethe1st>Xdept, compile it yourself?
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20:42<Xdept>I thought there might be an easier way and was going to ask first
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20:46<jcrow>does anyone know about an android irc room that anyone can paste into?
20:46<jcrow>erm, not paste, specifically, but post rather
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20:47<scientes>jcrow, irc.freenode.net#android
20:47<scientes>jcrow, irc://irc.freenode.net#android
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20:52<Xdept>Hey, Just so you know, I managed to find a work around with another script. No need for grubby
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20:56<jcrow>thanks, scientes, but when i join irc.freenode.net#android, I get a message that I can't post to the channel. I think you need some specific membership or something.
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20:58<scientes>jcrow, while in a freenode channel type /msg nickserv help
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20:58<jcrow>scientes, ok, thanks
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21:50<bluenemo>hi guys. i'm having exactly this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418450 and i applied the fix (edited the cryptroot file), however it still fails.. got ubuntu 10.04 cryptsetup 1.1.0 (i know this is debian but i'm desperate... working on this for about 6 hours now...)
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21:51<bluenemo>my problem: i'm trying to write a keyscript for cryptsetup... so as piping to stdout does not work, booting does not work
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21:58<scientes>I have phpsysinfo installed with nginx
21:59<scientes> /phpsysinfo/ returns 403 forbidden
21:59<scientes>but /phpsysinfo/index.php works
21:59<scientes>what do i need to put in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default ?
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22:18<Catprog>can anyone tell me how to fix a no init found problem?
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22:29<ckosloff>I am attempting to use drupal commerce kickstart in my dev server, cannot finish installing security update because it needs FTP access to local server, how do I set up that?
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22:33<retrospectacus>ckosloff: install an ftp server
22:33<ckosloff>how
22:33<retrospectacus>!installit
22:33<dpkg>Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
22:34<ckosloff>!ftp server
22:34<ckosloff>!ftp
22:34<dpkg>File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>.
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22:35<retrospectacus>ckosloff: /msg dpkg ftpd
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22:38<retrospectacus>anyone know how to remount / after it got lost during "suspend to ram"?
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22:39<sney>!anyone
22:39<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
22:39<sney>for shame retrospectacus.
22:39<retrospectacus>everything I try is "command not found" or "no such file or directory"
22:39<retrospectacus>:P ok how can I ...etc
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22:44<retrospectacus>well holding down the power button "worked"
22:44<sney>retrospectacus: you should probably just reboot and then figure out what's wrong with your fstab and s2ram that caused the problem
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22:45<retrospectacus>I had fstab open for editing when it slept
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22:47<sney>still, if you didn't write the changes, that shouldn't do anything
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22:49<retrospectacus>yeah booted up OK, all mounts accounted for
22:50<retrospectacus>this debian is installed on a USB key; it's running on this guy's laptop who I am house-sitting for
22:50<retrospectacus>but it is the USB key normally reserved for my truck glove box where it holds music
22:51<retrospectacus>so I sleep the laptop and take the key with me to listen to music...
22:51<sney>huh, maybe it didn't wake the usb support quickly enough
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22:55<retrospectacus>Ah well. I'll see if it happens again.
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23:03<hagom>hi, does somebody knows how to install a program dependencies?
23:03<hagom>more specific
23:03<knoppix_>I don't know sorry
23:03<knoppix_>^.^
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23:04<hagom>I'm trying to compile vlc
23:04<retrospectacus>hagon, why not "apt-get install vlc"
23:04<Guest1051>Do you know why my Root Konsole menu options would be in German?
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23:05<hagom>retrospectacus because the repositories has a old version
23:05<retrospectacus>,versions vlc
23:05<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 1.1.13-1; wheezy: 1.1.13-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0
23:05<retrospectacus>hagom: what version do you need?
23:05<simonlnu>hagom: and because you should maybe check out backports or dmm
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23:07<simonlnu>if you don't know how to compile things and build packages, i wouldn't try it on something complex like that
23:07<hagom>I forgot the backports, I'll check it, but do you know how to install dependencies when compiling a program?
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23:09<simonlnu>man apt-get; then /build-dep
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23:09<simonlnu>bah
23:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 452] by debhelper
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23:13<iiu7>I have made a small Python program and are using debuild to build a debian package. The python program depends on python-lxml, how do I specify in the rules file that python-lxml is needed so that "dpkg -i" will fail if it isn't installed?
23:14<retrospectacus>!nmg
23:14<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper
23:15<retrospectacus>iiu7: hope that helps
23:15<iiu7>I have been using that, but I can't locate the part I need.
23:17<iiu7>As far as I can tell the manual doesn't even talk about package dependencies att all!
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23:18<simonlnu>iiu7: Depends: and/or Build-Depends:
23:19<simonlnu>i think you might be looking in the wrong sections ;)
23:19<iiu7>Where do you see that?
23:19<simonlnu>i just know some parts of it... i couldn't tell you where
23:19<iiu7>If you are talking about the control file, then that doesn't make the package installation break upon a missing dependency.
23:20<simonlnu>yes it does, because dpkg will error out otherwise
23:20<iiu7>And I guess you are talking from tried experience? Because, it doesn't break on my system.
23:21<simonlnu>you're not including it then, or you have it installed
23:22<iiu7>I have Build-depends: python-lxml (>=2.8.8) in there, but even though python-lxml isn't installed, when I install the deb package made with debuild, it just installes without complaining about the missing python-lxml package.
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23:25<kevin8t8>You want 'Depends:' for installation dependencies. Build-depends is for building only.
23:26<simonlnu>Depends: will make dpkg puke. B-D will make the build process error out or not depending
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23:29<iiu7>Thanks.. I misunderstood that part.. it works now!
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23:44<jasonsmr>Question what function file in debian has or includes the stat_busy function? so that I may load it on another script
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