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01:32<didi>When using `pm-suspend', my laptop suspends beautifully, but when I close the lid, the only thing that happens is the screen going black. I think the answer is at `/etc/acpi/lid.sh:16:x$LID_SLEEP'. The test is always false. How do I make it turn true?
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01:36<didi>Frankly, I can just change the line, but it seems to be waiting to $LID_SLEEP. Where do I have to declare it?
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01:45<jm_>didi: /etc/default/acpi-support
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01:45<evaluate>Hello.
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01:46<evaluate>I'm having problems executing php scripts which run for longer than 20-30 seconds on debian squeeze, whereas on lenny they worked fine.
01:49<evaluate>For example: http://paste.debian.net/154264/ worked fine on lenny and also works fine if executed from the shell with "php script.php", but if called in a browser, I receive a "connection interrupted"/"ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE"
01:49<evaluate>I'm guessing it might be apahe doing something nasty, but since there isn't anything in the error_log, I can't figure out what the problem could be.
01:49<evaluate>s/apahe/apache/
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01:50<jm_>did you test it with wget? another browser?
01:50<didi>jm_: Nice! Thank you.
01:50<evaluate>jm_, tested in about 5 different browsers, testing with wget now.
01:50<jm_>didi: no worries
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01:51<evaluate>jm_, HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received.\nRetrying.
01:51<evaluate>Same result.
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01:51<evaluate>And the funny thing is, the request interrupts apparently at totally random intervals.
01:52<evaluate>Sometimes I get the error after 15 second, some other times I get it after 30-40 seconds...
01:52<didi>Great, it worked. Awesome.
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01:52<evaluate>I have also tried setting "max_execution_time" in php to 240, it made no difference at all.
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01:54<jm_>works fine here
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01:56<evaluate>Hm. Do you have suhosin installed?
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02:00<didi>Hum, the screen is not locking.
02:00<didi>And LOCK_SCREEN=true.
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02:01<jm_>well debian apache packages do mention suhosin in changelog,
02:01<jm_>uhm php5 packages
02:02<chealer>evaluate: uh. is that a fresh install?
02:02<evaluate>chealer, yeah
02:02<evaluate>Actually, no, it's an upgrade from lenny, but I think the config files were overwritten
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02:03<evaluate>So config-wise it should be defeault...
02:03<didi>`/usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank' has the following line: ` su $XUSER -s /bin/sh -c "xscreensaver-command -throttle &"', but man xscreensaver-command does not list `-throttle' as a valid switch.
02:05<jm_>didi: but the tool knows it, and README.gz also mentiones it
02:05<didi>jm_: Oh, I see.
02:05<jm_>so it looks like help/man page text are out of date
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02:05<didi>jm_: Hum, I was hoping it was it.
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02:08<didi>Let's cheat a little and see if the actual `if' is reach.
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02:09<didi>Nope.
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02:11<didi>The scrip is called but someway it does not reach the important xscreensaver line.
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02:11<jm_>use "set -x" to see what is going on
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02:13<didi>jm_: Where do I issue it?
02:13<jm_>didi: 2nd line in the lid.sh script or whichever you want to debug
02:14<didi>Great.
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02:17<didi>jm_: Is there some log file?
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02:18<jm_>didi: did you check logs in /var/log?
02:18<didi>jm_: Doing it now!
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02:27<didi>I've found the offending test: `if [ x"$XAUTHORITY" != x"" ]; then'. It's returning false.
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02:31<jm_>which script is that?
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02:32<didi>jm_: /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
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02:33<jm_>didi: do you have XAUTHORITY set if you run 'env' in a terminal?
02:33<didi>jm_: Just a second.
02:33<didi>jm_: Yes.
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02:35<jm_>didi: are you sure this is in the /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank script? I see no reference to XAUTHORITY there, but I see it in lid.sh
02:35<didi>...
02:35<didi>jm_: Something happened. It started to work.
02:36<didi>jm_: I'm sure. I'm running Debian Testing.
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02:36<didi>jm_: http://paste.kde.org/197660/
02:37<jm_>didi: ok so it differs from the one in stable
02:38<didi>jm_: On the top of my head, the thing I did different from the other times was opening a terminal so I could run env to look for XAUTHORITY.
02:38<didi>But it worked. I'll try again.
02:38<jm_>didi: that should not change anything
02:38<didi>jm_: Right?
02:38<didi>Very strang.
02:38<didi>strange, even.
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02:39<didi>jm_: It worked again.
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02:39<didi>jm_: That's strange. And slightly embarrassing.
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02:41<didi>jm_: Well, let's monitor the patient. I appreciate your help.
02:41<didi>jm_: Thank you.
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02:44<jm_>didi: no worries
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02:51<didi>jm_: I think I've found something. It does not lock the screen if I'm running `screen' in the terminal.
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02:55<jm_>didi: did you reattach some screen session in which XAUTHORITY is not set?
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02:56<didi>jm_: Nope. Just started it.
02:56<didi>
02:57<jm_>didi: so it has it set?
02:57<didi>jm_: It has. Just like pre-screen.
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03:01<jm_>didi: try figuring out if getXuser function from /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs behaves differently for both cases
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03:01<didi>jm_: Will do.
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03:09<thorie>can someone help me with my package build errors?
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03:19<didi>jm_: It's definitely something with getXuser.
03:19<didi>jm_: I don't know what, though.
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03:20<jm_>didi: write a sample script: #!/bin/sh\nset -x\n. /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs\ngetXuser
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03:21<didi>jm_: Right.
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03:24<didi>jm_: Aha, found a difference.
03:24<didi>Without screen: lastpp=:0.0
03:24<didi>Within screen: lastpp=:0:S.0
03:25<jm_>didi: really? put the output of 'pinky -fw' on some pastebin
03:25<jm_>well both outputs I guess
03:25<didi>jm_: Right
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03:26<didi>jm_: http://paste.kde.org/197678/
03:27<jm_>didi: you only get one line of output?
03:27<didi>jm_: Yes.
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03:30<jm_>didi: ok that's why it fails, I suppose you'll want to submit a bug similar to this one http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510619 where you mentions the details I suppose
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03:31<project2510a>shouldn't adduser have hooks to put scripts in, after you create the user?
03:31<didi>jm_: OK. I will. Thank you again. :^)
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03:32<jm_>project2510a: it does
03:32<project2510a>it does? where?
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03:33<jm_>man page says: If the file /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local exists, ...
03:34<project2510a>hm. i missed that.
03:34<project2510a>thank you for pointing out. i will go rtfm now
03:34<ifvoid>ja graag!
03:34<jm_>no worries * 2
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03:35<project2510a>also, and i googled for this, is there an easy way to add the gecos field to a bunch of users *after* you create them?
03:35<project2510a>urgh
03:35<project2510a>don't answer that
03:36<project2510a>i am with stupid. my brain, specifically.
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03:53<Marta>hola
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03:55<Guest1197>hola
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03:59<EmleyMoor>I have imap with ssl running - is there a good way to prevent imap without ssl being used from the "public" side of my network?
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04:00<EmleyMoor>(while still allowing it internally and on the local host)
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04:03<EmleyMoor>I'm guessing blocking port 143 at my router should do it - but would I encounter problems if I did?
04:04<petemc>why not just use ssl everywhere?
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04:05<EmleyMoor>petemc: Good point - will think about that...
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04:05<EmleyMoor>Is SSL prone to any odd failures? (I'm guessing that it's highly reliable, mostly)
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04:07<petemc>not really, its stable enough to rely upon
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04:13<jm_>except when upgrading things like openssl and your apps start failing :P
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04:44<tyler-durden>lu a tous
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04:58<mokytojas>HEy
04:58<mokytojas>How are you?
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04:59<Gogel>Heya
04:59<mokytojas>ewik sikt
04:59<Gogel>Gogel mogel
04:59<Gogel>son
05:00<mokytojas>ka tu?
05:00<Gogel>stfu sonny
05:00<mokytojas>wtf?
05:00<mokytojas>ban him
05:00<mokytojas>ban him
05:00<mokytojas>ban him
05:00<mokytojas>ban him
05:00<mokytojas>ban him
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05:27<Nick```>helllo can anyone help me plz
05:27<SynrG>!ask
05:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
05:27<Nick```>my system is stalling after the login screen, i just get a blue screen with an arrow
05:28<Nick```>http://pastebin.com/g1EaJG06
05:28<Nick```>thats my Xorg.log
05:29<SynrG>a little bit old ... what changed recently?
05:29<Nick```>nothing, fresh install
05:29<Nick```>reinstalled like 5 times now
05:29<Nick```>cba doin it again
05:29<SynrG>fresh install of lenny? you know that's oldstable
05:29<Nick```>yup
05:29<Nick```>i seem to get on better with lenny :P
05:30<SynrG>why such an old release? you know it's end of life ...
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05:30<Nick```>iirc i had problems getting my network adapter working with squeeze
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05:31<SynrG>you know squeeze moves some firmwares into non-free, right? just install the appropriate firmware and you should be fine
05:31<SynrG>9 times out of 10 that's all it is
05:31<Nick```>kk
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05:31<SynrG>what network card?
05:32<Nick```>better go stick squeeze on download again
05:32<SynrG>wired, or wireless?
05:33<Nick```>wired
05:33<SynrG>lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet
05:34<SynrG>i just want the eight hex digits: ####:####
05:34<SynrG>in square brackets near the end
05:36<Nick```>[14e4:1674]
05:36<SynrG>judd: pciid 14e4:1674
05:36<judd>[14e4:1674] is 'NetXtreme BCM5756ME Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1674
05:37<themill>some tg3 certainly need firmware
05:37<SynrG>ah, i suspected as much
05:37*SynrG nods
05:37<SynrG>Nick```: you might want to use the unofficial firmware image
05:37<Nick```>it did get to be a pain in the ass, hence going back to lenny
05:37<gsimmons>themill: Well, a very old variant anyway; the rest just need it for TSO.
05:37<SynrG>!firmware image
05:37<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse
05:37<SynrG>hmm
05:38<SynrG>in any case, i need to head out to work
05:38<themill>gsimmons: must the old variant that I keep coming across then ;(
05:38<SynrG>later
05:38<Nick```>it does have wifi too.. which id love to also get workin
05:39<Nick```>SynrG, thanks for ya help, gave me suthing to work towards, ty :)
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05:56<XayOn>Hey there, I'm trying to override dh_auto_install with an override_dh_auto_install, How can I get correctly the destdir without an absolute path (tryed relative path but its making it inside subdirs like src and so on)
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07:08<deb1an>hi Black_Prince :P
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07:20<Domovoy>hi there
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07:20<deb1an>hi Domovoy
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07:20<Domovoy>So, i need to compile an arm kernel for my nas (WD-Sharespace), but i don't have any other arm machine to do it. I guess i need to cross-compile, but i never done that. Any advice? Resources?
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07:32<ceki03_>hi on hp 2311x, I should have 1920x1280 mode but grandr shows only up to Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024 how this can be changed
07:32<ceki03_>this monitor has up to 1920x1080 http://www.euro.com.pl/monitory-led-i-lcd/hp-2311x.bhtml?gclid=CP-AybLk_K0CFUoifAodFkXusQ
07:33<ceki03_>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) is the GPU
07:34<ceki03_>how to tell X that this LCD has higher mode
07:34<crixx>do you have installed debian new? if so, restart debian this should work
07:34<jm_>are you using squeeze?
07:34<ceki03_>this is debian 6
07:34<ceki03_>it was restarted since LCD was connected
07:34<jm_>try using newer driver/kernel from backports
07:34<ceki03_>I think this is open source driver... how to verify what im using?
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07:35<jm_>!which driver
07:35<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
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07:35<ceki03_>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so
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07:38<ceki03_>jm_: so?
07:38<ceki03_>!backport
07:38<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
07:38<jm_>ceki03_: I already told you what to try
07:39<ceki03_>is using backports not making my computer less secure or stable?
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07:40<jm_>it shouldn't - it's an official service
07:40<themill>It obviously receives less testing than stable though and security updates aren't always as prompt as one might like.
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07:42<ceki03_>which GFX card is most secure and well supported in debian 6
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07:44<ceki03_>added backport repos, which packages should be installed to have latest drivers for my intel?
07:45<themill>!xorg bpo
07:45<dpkg>The backports.debian.org repository contains updated xorg components (in particular video drivers) for squeeze. Ask me about <bdo> to enable and use this repository. See http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html for information on the xorg backports.
07:46<themill>ceki03_: follow the instructions on that web page; xserver-xorg-video-intel is the driver package of interest to you
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07:50<XayOn> I'm trying to override dh_auto_install with an override_dh_auto_install, How can I get correctly the destdir without an absolute
07:50<XayOn>path (tryed relative path but its making it inside subdirs like src and so on). I asked a few hours ago but there was cero activity, sorry ;)
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07:51<ceki03_>how to install sun java in debian 6?
07:52<ceki03_>oh, add non-free
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07:53<ceki03_>is openjdk updated in backport compared to 6 ?
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07:57<jm_>doesn't appear to be
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07:58<ceki03_>:(
07:58<ceki03_>openjdk in that old versions crashes freenet ( #freenet )
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08:06<ceki03_>hi I installed backported intel driver
08:06<ceki03_>and it works worse...
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08:07<ceki03_>still it does not see higher video modes, plus now GFX is very glitchy showing random or jjumping images all over the place
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08:07<ceki03_>what can be done about it?
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08:09<ceki03_>I cant use this LCD :(
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08:12<ceki03_>any other idea, themill
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08:12<ceki03_>I would rather not 'upgrade' to ubuntu because of this issue, there surly must be a solutoin?
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08:13<themill>did you install a newer kernel as well, as was suggested earlier?
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08:14<ceki03_>themill: how to see again the message that was displayed at install? indeed ther was some warning
08:15<themill>that's sufficiently vague I have no idea what you actually mean
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08:18<ceki03_>installation of the driver showed message that you need to install newer kernel. how to redisplay this message? Other then purge and reinstall package that triggered this message
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08:20<babilen>ceki03_: Not sure which package/warning you are referring to, but you can easily install a newer kernel from backports as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
08:20<ceki03_>yeap installing it now
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08:34<ceki03_>it works fine with newer kernel!
08:34<ceki03_>thanks guys :)
08:34<ceki03_>the-dude:
08:34<ceki03_>themill:
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08:35<frank__>hello
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08:46<koollman>hi. are there squeeze iso images with more recent kernel (kind of like there was etchnhalf or lenny-n-half iso)
08:46<babilen>!kmuto
08:46<dpkg>Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03
08:47<streuner>2.6.39 or kmuto which is 2.6.39, IIRC too
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09:09<canaima>catalogo de contenido
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09:10<Cristiinita>Hola
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09:11<themill>!es-social Cristiinita
09:11<dpkg>Cristiinita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
09:11<Cristiinita>:D
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09:11<Cristiinita>Ola
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09:26<nocturnal>every time my boot says "setting preliminary keymap" it screws up my keymap. and when I login I have to run dpkg-reconfigure console-data to reset it.
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09:27<nocturnal>it's funny because I get an lvm password prompt before it says that, so I can enter my password just fine, then after it has given me that message another lvm password prompt and at that point the keymap is changed so the password has to be entered differently.
09:27<nocturnal>why o why debian do you change my keymap?
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09:31<franzel>hello, I am trying to add a start up script in my /etc/init.d folder. The file I am creating is called rc2.d. I can create the file in terminal using the "touch rc2.d" , but don't know how to edit the file and save it. Also, if I paste anything on there, I get a bunch of excess A and B replacing the comments "#####"
09:31<flor>noctural: can you check /etc/default/keyboard is configured like you expect it ?
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09:36<Zathras>!pastebin franzel
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09:36<franzel>Zathras: what is !pastebin
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09:37<Zathras>I hoped a bot would explain the concept "pastebin" to you. Please google it
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09:37<franzel>googling now
09:37<Zathras>also: rc2.d kind of suggests it is a directory rather than a file
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09:37<Zathras>rc2.d most likely already exists but not in that directory
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09:38<franzel>ok...I am trying to create a script for no-ip that would allow me to have a script running at start up
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09:39<Zathras>editing files can be done with a texteditor. vi(m) or emacs are advanced editors. mcedit, joe, nano, pico are a bit easier
09:39<franzel>says "place the following script in your startup directory. (/etc/init.d/rc2.d)
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09:40<Zathras>to use these you have to install them. There is probably a wiki article on editors on the debian site
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09:40<nocturnal>thanks for the tip flor. I'll try fiddling with this and see what I get. already I see that it was set to gb instead of us, and pc105 which I find suspicious for a tiny netbook keyboard.
09:41<Zathras>franzel, that is most likely an install procedure for an other linux distro. Distro's have diverse ways in placing boot/start scripts
09:41<franzel>ok thanks Zathras
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09:42<Zathras>franzel, it's better to become more familiar with linux/debian before you start installing software from other sources than the regular repository (in Debian's case apt)
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09:43<franzel>thanks Zathras....got a Unix book I am reading now....trying to find my way around unix
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09:45<Zathras>unix is not the same as linux as bsd etc. They are related. Same goes for various linux distros
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09:45<Zathras>just keep that in mind
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09:46<franzel>yes...thanks...same concept right?
09:46<Zathras>yes. more or less
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10:03<houms> I have an exclude file with the following entry http://paste.debian.net/154342/
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10:55<thetinyjesus>Does anyone know if there is a workaround for getting Ios 5 devices synced?
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11:18<senjin>Hello I am trying to share my bluray drive from my debian box but cant find the mount point /media/cdrom is empty and there is a new folder name for every new disk. How do i set a specific mount point?
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11:25<arinov>senjin, when disk is mounted try "mount" in terminal to know what dev name it has
11:25<arinov>my dvd-ram is /dev/sr0
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11:27<technologov>create it
11:27<technologov># mkdir /mnt/cdrom
11:27<technologov># mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
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11:27<senjin>thank you sadly i dont get any entries that look like they could be a bluray player, Or do fuse handle that sort of things since i have one entry that say fusectl
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11:29<jhutchins_lt>senjin: You have the option of allowing it to use fuse or using the system configuration. If you're trying to share it, the latter is probably the better choice.
11:30<senjin>now ive added a entry in fstab and it works when mounting a dvd manualy anyway shall try with a bluray now
11:31<arinov>my windows in default debian installation has frames when i minimize it
11:31<arinov>and i have installed nvidia-glx
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11:35<senjin>Thanks for the help, I had messed up with my fstab file and used the wrong path for my drive
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11:37<jhutchins_lt>arinov: Gnome? KDE? XFCE? Which release?
11:37<arinov>6.0.3 Gnome
11:37<arinov>default installation
11:39<arinov>6.0.4
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11:39<arinov>it was updated
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11:42<flightplan>senjin: JFTR: you can also obtain your optical devices like that: xorriso --devices 2>/dev/null or xorriso --device_links 2>/dev/null
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11:46<jhutchins_lt>arinov: Do you mean that when you minimize a window it leaves an outline behind?
11:47<arinov>i thinks i should install and configure compiz
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12:18<luca_>!list
12:18<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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12:18<luca_>ciao
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12:19<Anteu>http://rakenews.com Free $ from poker!
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12:19<The_Coon>tout le monde
12:20<The_Coon>Y a t il quelqu un ?
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12:20<babilen>!fr
12:20<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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12:24<qmi>ls
12:24<qmi>sorry
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12:33<I_am_NOT_root>when removing some old kernels, incidentally, I removed all (so it's no more bootable). I think about fixing it using a live system. Is it enough just to download linux-image from packages.debian.org and put the files on their appropriate places?
12:34<jordanm>I_am_NOT_root: you can chroot into the filesystem and install it using apt
12:34<niag>hi all. im skilled in Debian/linux but newbie in debian/kfreeBSD. there is a dedicated channel for kfreeBSD?
12:35<jordanm>!kfreebsd
12:35<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
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12:35<Hydroxide>niag: most questions you can ask here - if it's specific to kFreeBSD and nobody knows the answer here, see what dpkg just told you
12:35<Hydroxide>niag: but a surprisingly large number of questions won't be
12:36<Lantizia>anyone here using smstools and fancies some paid work to debug it working with a modem?
12:36<I_am_NOT_root>jordanm: you sure that doesn't lead to APT database inconsistency?
12:36<luca_>!list
12:36<dpkg>luca_: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
12:36<niag>Hydroxide, well, there is a ROSETTA STONE to compare difference linux/kfreebsd, i.e. device name, how to recompile kernel, and so on?
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12:36<Hydroxide>niag: devices names would be the same as any other freebsd system, so check standard freebsd docs then
12:36<niag>ok
12:36<jordanm>I_am_NOT_root: why would it? being inside the filesystem in a chroot is not any different than the actual running system as far as apt is concerned
12:37<I_am_NOT_root>jordanm: aah, got it. Forget my questiom :)
12:37<niag>but i prefere official debian documentation if any
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12:37<I_am_NOT_root>thanks
12:38<jordanm>np
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12:38<jordanm>niag: debian documentation is likely lacking due to how new debian/kfreebsd
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12:39<niag>mmm ok
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12:51<watame>I've got an serious problem with the wheezy installer grub
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12:51<watame>The installer claimed to recognize all the other OS's, but didn't add them to the grub list.
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12:52<SynrG>watame: please see #debian-next for wheezy/sid support
12:53<watame>Then, it turns out, some driver wasn't loaded properly by the installer, so now all I get is an entry for the new debian install --that doesn't function due to a the screen driver
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12:53<watame>Thanks SynRG. moving there now...
12:53<SynrG>maybe you should be filing an installer report?
12:54<watame>First, I'd like to get my primary internet connection working again. I thought irc would be quicker than filing a bug report.
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13:10<t>ciao
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13:10<t>ciao
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13:13<costanzo>hi,can i install on debian ,conky future?
13:14<SynrG>dunno what you mean by conky future, but
13:14<SynrG>judd: versions conky
13:14<judd>Package: conky on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.0-2+lenny1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.8.1-5~bpo60+1; sid: 1.8.1-6; wheezy: 1.8.1-6
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13:18<costanzo>Where can I find the package
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13:19<costanzo>i have debian stable and i need help to configure
13:20<edgar>judd: info conky
13:20<judd>Package conky (contrib/utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: highly configurable system monitor (transitional package). Version: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; Size: 31.7k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://conky.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/conky
13:21<edgar>constanzo, why don't you just try 'sudo aptitude install conky'
13:21<edgar>or have you tried that already?
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13:26<costanzo>one moment
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13:28<costanzo>ok
13:29<costanzo>i install conky from terminal
13:29<costanzo>now i need help to configure it
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13:31<jhutchins_lt>costanzo: Have you read the documentation?
13:31<costanzo>where
13:31<costanzo>i don t read
13:31<babilen>costanzo: Google for "conky documentation" ;)
13:31<jhutchins_lt>There may be manpages, there should be files in /usr/share/doc/conky - look at README.Debian if it exists.
13:32<costanzo>no i don t read
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13:32<jhutchins_lt>costanzo: Maybe you should work on that first.
13:33<costanzo>ok i try
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13:35<scientes>"i don't read" "I don't read" lol
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13:36<I_am_NOT_root>I did "pvcreate" on /dev/sda1, which already contains logical volumes. Did it affect/delete anything?
13:36<costanzo>ok i install conky from terminal but I can not set it up
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13:38<babilen>costanzo: Read the documentation linked on http://conky.sourceforge.net/documentation.html (top)
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13:40<I_am_NOT_root>does pvcreate delete any data on partitions?
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13:41<babilen>I_am_NOT_root: The partition table most likely (check pvcreate's manpage)
13:42<I_am_NOT_root>babilen: it loks like it did.... can I restore the old table and data?
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13:43<babilen>I_am_NOT_root: Do you have a backup? Tools such as gpart or testdisk might be able to recover it. You might want to work on an image to ensure that the original data is left unchanged.
13:43<cwood>How can I stop cvs from creating/writing $CVSROOT/history?
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13:44<babilen>cwood: cvs, seriously? /me hasn't used that in ages and recommends to ask in #cvs on freenode.
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13:45<cwood>babilen: Yes, seriously, sadly for me. Thank you, I will go inquire.
13:45<I_am_NOT_root>babilen: gparted can work
13:45<retrospectacus>I'm setting a printer in CUPS - HP LaserJet 8000 and there are four options of driver I think. "CUPS+Gutenprint", "Foomatic/Postscript", "hpijs" and "hpijs pcl3". How can I know the difference, which should I choose?
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13:46<babilen>cwood: Good luck - It's just that I doubt that a lot of people in here use CVS anymore. I am also reluctant to relearn it just to be able to answer your question. :-/
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13:46<I_am_NOT_root>babilen: pressed "send" by accident. I can't work with gpart on logical partitions that are not addressable due to table overwrite
13:47<cwood>Yeah, I would not be using CVS except for the ancient nature of the system in question and the prohibitive cost of retraining end-users.
13:47<babilen>I_am_NOT_root: gpart is not gparted -- I am referring to http://www.brzitwa.de/mb/gpart/
13:48<I_am_NOT_root>babilen: i will have a look,thanks
13:48<babilen>cwood: If everything else fails "chattr +i $CVSROOT/history" -- but that is ugly ugly ugly (don't ever quote me on that!)
13:49<cwood>The issue is that a newer version of cvs creates $CVSROOT/history, and then an older version can't do checkins/checkouts due to how the file is owned by somebody with the wrong umask.
13:49<babilen>Ah, ok. And updating all clients to the same version is not an option?
13:51<cwood>Probably not, yet. Yes, life is getting pretty stupid.
13:52<babilen>cwood: http://ximbiot.com/cvs/manual/cvs-1.12.13/cvs_18.html HistoryLogPath /dev/null? /me keeps on searching
13:53<cwood>That looks promising. Reading.
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13:53<babilen>cwood: Ah, you seem to be after LogHistory (cf. http://ximbiot.com/cvs/manual/cvs-1.12.13/cvs_16.html#SEC152)
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13:54<babilen>cwood: That seems to imply that if LogHistory is set to an empty string that history is not used -- but I am really guessing here
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13:54<cwood>Now I wonder if LogHistory existed in the earlier version. I'm checking.
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13:55<cwood>Same lines via strings in all binaries.
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13:56<cwood>No, I tell a lie. The latest version does not have the lines "#LogHistory=TOFEWGCMAR" in string output. Looks like that may have been turned on by default.
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13:57<babilen>cwood: Changing that might be what you need - I would still ask in #cvs as they are likely to know much more about cvs than I
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13:58<cwood>I did, it's still echoing. I appreciate the help, wouldn't have thought of that.
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13:58<babilen>cwood: All the best!
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14:06<cwood>babilen: HistoryLogPath=/dev/null is the answer. The only issue is that people using the older cvs will see a warning ("unrecognized keyword 'HistoryLogPath'"), but I'm quite cool with that. Thank you again.
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14:13<babilen>cwood: Ugly, but so is CVS. You are welcome and may you have a nice day! :)
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14:13<I_am_NOT_root>babilen: gpart found 4 partitions but gives for all of them the same output (type 000(0x00) (unused) \n size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0) \n chs: (0/0/0) - (0/0/0)d (0/0/0) - (0/0/0)r) do you think it's rescuable?
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14:14<babilen>I_am_NOT_root: No idea -- What about testdisk? Those are your best bets, I am not aware of other tools that guess the partition table.
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14:14<babilen>I_am_NOT_root: That output doesn't look sensible (if that wasn't obvious already)
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14:15<I_am_NOT_root>thanks
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14:19<scientes>anyone know where sqlite 2 databases are stored so i can manually purge them
14:20<cwood>scientes: It depends on the application using sqlite.
14:21<retrospectacus>yes. wherever the application put it
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14:21<retrospectacus>probably the app's working directory
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14:22<scientes>roundcube
14:22<pippo>hi
14:22<scientes>it uses sqlite2
14:22<scientes>I couldn't do it with the packaing stuff, cause roundcube-sqlite is a totally broken package in wheezy
14:22<scientes>as php is dropping sqlite2
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14:23<retrospectacus>the sqlite2 database will just be a file in the roundcube area some place. Perhaps ''dpkg -L roundcube-sqlite'' will at least give some hints
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14:23<scientes>already remove the package
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14:24<cwood>or: ls $HOME/.roundcube*
14:24<cwood>or: ls -d $HOME/.roundcube*
14:24<scientes>well, whatever
14:24<pippo>hi guys... I'm new on x-chat... could anyone help me?
14:24<scientes>cwood, its a webmail program, not a gui program
14:25<konverguoju>hi, I just went from gnome 3.0 to xfce (didnt uninstall gnome, but xfce is the default setting now on login screen at system startup), but I still do get a message on boot "initializing gnome desktop manager" should I leave as so or do something about it?
14:25<retrospectacus>pippo: this channel is for debian support. Do you have a debian problem?
14:25<retrospectacus>konverguoju: no, you still need that to get to xfce
14:25<konverguoju>pippo: join the freenode network #xchat channel
14:26<konverguoju>retrospectacus: why?
14:26<cwood>Thanks for assistance. Must part and do actual work now. ;)
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14:26<pippo>no! sorry... :) I'd like to know how to use this program... but I think I'll go on the Ubuntu servers
14:26<pippo>thanks!
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14:27<retrospectacus>it starts the gnome DE normally, but you have chosen xfce so it proceeds there after login. If you disabled it you would just get a TTY1 login prompt on boot
14:27<retrospectacus>login manager, not DE *
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14:29<konverguoju>ok, so login manager is a separate program, as I suppose, why do I get entire gnome desktop manager initialized?
14:30<konverguoju>I bet gnome itself starts only after I login via login manager, isn't that so?
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14:30<retrospectacus>konverguoju: what are you seeing to make you say that "entire gnome desktop manager initialized"?
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14:31<retrospectacus>yes the login screen is just a small program that logs you in and starts your favourite DE
14:31<konverguoju>I see this message "initializing gnome desktop manager" at boot, when I get all kinds of these messages like "stating ALSA mixer" "starting pulseaudio" and stuff
14:31<retrospectacus>that is all great :)
14:32<retrospectacus>the gnome desktop manager starts with the login screen, that's it
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14:32<retrospectacus>if you login and choose xfce that's it for gnome, xfce starts
14:33<retrospectacus>but you still want the gnome thing to start so you get the login screen
14:33<retrospectacus>you can use a different login manager if you like
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14:33<retrospectacus>or none, login as your user on the TTY and start your DE manually from there
14:34<konverguoju>so is gnome itself ever started that way, or is this "gnome desktop manager" just a login manager program? :]
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14:34<konverguoju>what's TTY btw? the console window?
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14:35<retrospectacus>yeah the black/white one with no mouse, etc.
14:35<retrospectacus>gnome is never started
14:35<konverguoju>aaah, great :] thanks for info
14:35<konverguoju>see, the message is misleading
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14:36<retrospectacus>!dm
14:36<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the Debian Multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>.
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14:37<retrospectacus>you are using gdm but it is starting xfce. Not a problem.
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14:38<konverguoju>sweeet, thanks :]
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14:54<dondelelcaro>and probably on the order of $30-60 to rent, depending
14:54<dondelelcaro>err, echan
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14:54<hardwire>http://i.imgur.com/Y0ahT.jpg
14:54<hardwire>hah
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14:55<ToBeFree>lol
14:55<marcus_>np, as i know the position of the tasks i want to select ;)
14:55<hardwire>I disable all of them
14:55<hardwire>I'm a 'purist'
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14:55<hardwire>my employees hate it
14:55<hardwire>but that's just funny
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14:56<marcus_>i just install the standard system and maybe laptop, installing xorg and i3 afterwards ;)
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15:05<hardwire>i3?
15:06<hardwire>weird.
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15:08<marcus_>hrhr
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15:08<hardwire>thats kinda saucy
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15:09*hardwire plays
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15:09<gruetzkopf>hmm. i need to set up a bunch of different machines (and different packages) soon. my internet connection is kinda slow, so can i use the .debs i have in my apt-cache somehow?
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15:09<hardwire>gruetzkopf: rsync /var/cache/apt/archives
15:09<hardwire>or use approx
15:09<hardwire>I use approx
15:09<hardwire>and jesred
15:09<hardwire>and squid
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15:09<hardwire>and do it transparently
15:09<hardwire>I also like the enter key today
15:09<Nik05>hey guys
15:09<hardwire>and this coffee is pretty yummy
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15:10<retrospectacus>gruetzkopf: put them on usb and use dpkg -i
15:10<hardwire>ooooh
15:10<Nik05>I have a problem with my date, it says its 22:10:06 right now
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15:10<hardwire>do not date robots.
15:10*hardwire is done trolling and goes back to work
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15:10<Nik05>CET but its 21:10:00 CET
15:10<hardwire>OR
15:10<hardwire>those are weird measurements
15:10<Nik05>lol
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15:10<Nik05>weird measurements?
15:11<hardwire>21 inches.. 10 inches.. 6 inches
15:11<hardwire>nevermind
15:11<gruetzkopf>GMT+1?
15:11*hardwire -> work
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15:11<Nik05>inches are weird... use meters!
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15:11<hardwire>Nik05: should have known!
15:11<Nik05>yes GMT+1
15:11<hardwire>Nik05: got a TZ in your environment?
15:11<Nik05>TZ?
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15:11<hardwire>export | grep TZ
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15:12<Nik05>no
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15:12<hardwire>ok.. that's all I have.
15:12<retrospectacus>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
15:12<retrospectacus>and/or install ntp
15:12<retrospectacus>man clock
15:13<Nik05>ok i did reconfigure but its still 21:12 UTC here... :S
15:13<hardwire>is your clock off or is your zone off?
15:13<Nik05>read my message again... 21:12 UTC
15:13<Nik05>;)
15:14<Nik05>ok installed ntp and time is correct now :S
15:14<retrospectacus>Nik05: do you have windows on this PC as well?
15:14<Nik05>euh... yes :P
15:14<retrospectacus>ah yeah
15:14<Nik05>is windows fucking up system time?
15:14<retrospectacus>windoze sets the hardware clock to local time
15:14<hardwire>fluffing
15:15<Nik05>oh damn Windows -_-
15:15<hardwire>dang
15:15<retrospectacus>there is a way to tell linux about it but I forget
15:15<gruetzkopf>dpkg -i is not an option
15:15*dpkg removes a lung from gruetzkopf and replaces it with is not an option
15:15<Nik05>so when i get on Windows, time is 19:00 UTC ? :P
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15:15<retrospectacus>Nik05: maybe :P not sure if ntp sets your hwclock
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15:16<Nik05>ok found this: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMCurrentControlSetControlTimeZoneInformation] "RealTimeIsUniversal"=dword:00000001
15:16<Nik05>hopefully that will work in Windows...
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15:17<gruetzkopf>i need something like a caching proxy, but with fallback to normal mirrors if im outside my local network
15:17<Nik05>or change /etc/default/rcS
15:17<Nik05>then UTC=no
15:17<retrospectacus>gruetzkopf: I think "rsync /var/cache/apt/archives" was a reasonable idea
15:18<hardwire>gruetzkopf: Like I said.. I use squid, jesred, and approx to transparently cache packages
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15:18<hardwire>you can also do simple redirection for all IP addresses that a specific mirror resolves to.. to approx.. and not use squid.
15:18<hardwire>I don't recommend it
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15:19<Nik05>ok thanks guys. Have to go, see you later
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15:21<Nik05>retrospectacus im in Windows right now and its 19:21 UTC :P
15:22<Nik05>So you know... ok bye :P
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15:23<aim1159>how can i check current fontconfig settings
15:23<aim1159>fc- what?
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15:28<poltergeist>Hey all
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15:59<ratnick>How do I create a clone bootable cd/dvd copy of my system after making stable tweaks?
16:00<ratnick>In other words, I want to save my current running system to removable and bootable disk.
16:01<Xdept>Is it on a virtual Machine?
16:01<Xdept>If not, Use Rsync maybe?
16:01<ratnick>It's on a desktop motherboard i686 kernal
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16:01<Xdept>Try rsync
16:02<ratnick>ok
16:02<Xdept>or fwbackups
16:02<ratnick>ok
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16:04<ratnick>fwbackups not listed in apt sources
16:05<Xdept>You will get more control out of rsync
16:06<ratnick>will pybackpack do a whole system to a bootable disk?
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16:07<Xdept>What are you trying to achieve? Do you just want a bootable flash drive?
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16:07<ratnick>(I'm still a stumblebum at console apps)
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16:09<ratnick>I tweaked my debian 6.0.3 netinstall system after install to hdd. Now I want to save an exact bootable copy.
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16:10<ratnick>I have a flash drive and cd/dvd
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16:10<Xdept>Do you want to be able to change contents of it?
16:10<Xdept>Or ReadOnly (Even on the flash drive?
16:10<Xdept>)
16:10<ratnick>after it is installed on a fresh formatted file system
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16:11<Xdept>Because you could always look at a squashfilesystem
16:11<Xdept>squashfs
16:11<ratnick>same permissions, etc.
16:12<ratnick>brb
16:12<Xdept>Otherwise, you could load into live cd debian console and dd the entire contents of your drive to the flash drive?
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16:14<ratnick>that is a thought
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16:15<ratnick>my current ext3 fs is 140.7 GiB
16:15<Xdept>And you want to get that onto a DVD or FlashDrive?
16:15<ratnick>not going to fit on a flash drive
16:15<retrospectacus>why so huge?!
16:16<Xdept>xD
16:16<ratnick>only using 2%
16:16<retrospectacus>oh
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16:16<ratnick>The hdd is all formatted
16:17<Xdept>I am lost as to what you are trying to achieve
16:17<retrospectacus>yeah boot a live CD, create ext3 on the flash drive and rsync -Hav /mnt/sda1/ /mnt/sdb1
16:17<ratnick>130.6 GiB available, and 137.8 free
16:18<retrospectacus>you'll have to edit fstab, update-grub maybe
16:18<Xdept>You can't do that with a DvD though
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16:18<retrospectacus>no I wouldn't recommend using RO media
16:18<ratnick>no plastc disks?
16:19<retrospectacus>hate those things
16:19<retrospectacus>they're all coasters in the end
16:19<ratnick>don't the files have to be packed?
16:20<joseph>whats a good client to connect with SASL to freenode
16:20<ratnick>and then unpacked and installed with a "batch script"
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16:21<ratnick>brb
16:21<Xdept>SquashFS.
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16:23<ratnick>horrible cold spell in Europe
16:23<ratnick>I'll check out squashfs
16:23<Xdept>Have some of our Hot New Zealand weather
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16:24<ratnick>oh. and with roos
16:24<Xdept>-_-
16:24<Xdept>That's Australia
16:24<ratnick>close enough
16:24<Xdept>Not really? :P
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16:24<ratnick>I'm in the States
16:25<ratnick>I see New Guinea wnats free
16:26<ratnick>Pacific Rim temper I guess
16:26<ratnick>bbl
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17:10<retrospectacus>I'm setting a printer in CUPS - HP LaserJet 8000 and there are four options of driver I think. "CUPS+Gutenprint", "Foomatic/Postscript", "hpijs" and "hpijs pcl3". How can I know the difference, which should I choose?
17:11<nino>buenas necesito ayuda con una conexion movil
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17:11<retrospectacus>nino: English only here.
17:11<retrospectacus>!es
17:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:11<nino>wait me
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17:12<nino>I need help with a mobile connection
17:12<Xdept>http://translate.google.com/
17:12<nino>:-D
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17:14<nino>MOBILE broadband is
17:14<nino>Xdept
17:14<retrospectacus>nino: what are you waiting for, just ask your question
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17:15<nino>is canaima (debian base system) .. recognizes the device but does not connect
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17:16<simonlnu>!ask
17:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:16<retrospectacus>nino: we cannot support canaima, only Debian
17:17<simonlnu>!canaima
17:17<dpkg>Canaima is a Venezuelan desktop distribution <based on Debian>. It is not supported in #debian. http://canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/ #canaima on irc.freenode.net.
17:17<nino>Ok Tks..
17:17<simonlnu>oh. learned something new =)
17:18<simonlnu>nino: /server irc.freenode.net then /join #canaima
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17:20<claire>bon je regarderai plus tard pour irc.freenode....
17:21<nino>Tks.
17:21<simonlnu>np
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17:31<EmleyMoor>I appear to have a totally jammed xorg session on my system - I've stopped gdm3 and it's STILL on screen. How do I get rid of it?
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17:32<Xdept>killall gnome-session
17:32<Xdept>killall X
17:32<Xdept>killall xorg
17:32<Xdept>Something along those lines
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17:33<EmleyMoor>No processes found. Session still stuck on screen
17:33<Xdept>ps -A
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17:34<EmleyMoor>Lots... but stuck working out what's relevant
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17:34<Xdept>use shift + page up/down, just look for something like gnome gdm3 something like that
17:35<lodurr>hi
17:35<Xdept>then kill -9 <pid>
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17:35<EmleyMoor>Xdept: I need more somethings like which to look for
17:36<gdb>EmleyMoor: pkill Xorg as root
17:36<EmleyMoor>gdb: Ineffective
17:36<gdb>EmleyMoor: ps -ef | grep Xorg
17:37<Xdept>Yeah, you need to kill gnome-session or something
17:37<EmleyMoor>Only the grep returned
17:37<gdb>If you get no results, then your display hardware is screwed up and the solution is to reboot.
17:37<EmleyMoor>Xdept: I have no gnome-session
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17:37<gdb>And it may require a power cycle if the card doesn't recover when the PC is reset.
17:37<EmleyMoor>Damn - a reboot it is...
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17:38<gdb>EmleyMoor: A running X server on Debian will look something like this in the ps listing:
17:38<gdb>root 1236 1224 0 Jan28 tty7 00:00:10 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -verbose -audit 0 -novtswitch -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-RtFgb7/database -nolisten tcp vt7
17:39<gdb>Since you do not get any results looking for "Xorg" then there is no X server running and your display hardware is foobar.
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17:43<jhutchins_lt>/var/log/Xorg.0.log might be interesting.
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17:51<EmleyMoor>That was awkward - do things like that happen often?
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17:52<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Not when runnng stable with supported drivers.
17:53<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: Switch to testing or Sid, and/or throw in third-party drivers and there's no telling.
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17:53<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: I'm using nouveau - probably a backport...
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17:54<jhutchins_lt>Backports recently pushed both the X system and the kernel pretty far ahead of the stable system.
17:55<jhutchins_lt>There's been some discussion of the breakage this can cause, and how to warn people that backports can break things.
17:55<EmleyMoor>Yes, been reading that
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17:56<EmleyMoor>I use as few backports as possible - but stable's kernel won't support my audio hardware - and then we get into the nvidia or nouveau decision and all that brings...
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17:56<Buckaroo>test
17:56<EmleyMoor>It failed <g>
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17:59<Xdept>retrospectacus, Did you get your printing sorted?
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17:59<AlexMax>How do I check to see which packages are from squeeze-backports?
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18:00<gsimmons>dpkg: tell AlexMax -about bdo list
18:01<retrospectacus>Xdept: nope, haven't picked one yet
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18:03<AlexMax>gsimmons: Thanks
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18:08<EmleyMoor>I know it's a while off yet but in some ways I am hoping wheezy, once stable, will answer a lot of my problems...
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19:11<Guest1267>Hi . Just working on creating an apparmor for xchat...
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19:42<scientes>why has packages.debian.org become less useful by not having the summaries of the packages?
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19:44<abrotman>scientes: you're using unstable
19:44<abrotman>or testing ..
19:44<abrotman>but anyway .. i think the package formats changed recently for that description, seems the website hasn't caught up ?
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19:51<scientes>ahhh
19:51<scientes>also, how would i list automatically installed packages that are only kept via a recommends, rather than a dependancy?
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19:54<scientes>i see this http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
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19:56<scientes>abrotman, you say that just to make not that I should expect problems? or that I should expect less support here? ---or-- that I should be fixing more problems instead of compaining?
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19:57<abrotman>anyway ...
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20:01<winsen>hi
20:02<winsen>does anyone know how many mail accounts could I create on Thunderbird client? thanks for answer
20:03<retrospectacus>one million billion <drEvilface>
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20:05<abrotman>winsen: i haven't seen a limit .. how many do you need?
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20:06<cocytus>Was looking in synaptic and want to install noscript. There are two versions. Both are 2.1.4-1. One says mozilla-noscript transitional dummy package and the other xul-ext-noscript. What are the differences?
20:06<cocytus>Yes I use iceweasel
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20:07<abrotman>one will install the other
20:08<cocytus>abrotman so right you are. Thx
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20:12<m0rtis0000>hiya again...
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20:13<cocytus>Are there any anti trackers like Ghostery in the repos.
20:13<m0rtis0000>i was on earlier seeking help on how to mount a network drive...
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20:15<winsen>abrotman: thankls for answer; I am needing 12 to 15
20:16<m0rtis0000>just recently converted over to debian. it's a seagate goflex network drive. when i mount it it doesn't show in mnt or media and although i can access files, i can't seem to open certain media files unless i move them to (for example) to the desktop - like an mp3.
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20:16<winsen>in fact am wondring why it doesn't work correctly since I am using 13 accounts the error message is "there's was an error copying the message to the Sent folder Retry"
20:16<scientes>m0rtis0000, how are you accessing the files?
20:16<robbiethe1st>cocytus, just grab Ghostery via Firefox/Iceweasel
20:17<winsen> tried ti reduce number server connection , I tried to change foulder sent from copies and foulders setting to other =>sent, rather all that tests it doesn't work the most of time, I recieved same message "there was an error saving message to sent" does anyone know how to resolve that, thanks
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20:17<cocytus>robbiethe1st I have done that in the past but a little digging into who makes it shows that the company is indeed involved in web tracking. Makes me a bit iffy.
20:17<m0rtis0000>i right-click and open with (for example) rhythmbox
20:18<winsen>abrotman: any idea?
20:18<m0rtis0000>if i double-click it'll open in totem movie player
20:19<m0rtis0000>if i open with rhythmbox, the app opens, but not with the file
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20:19<robbiethe1st>cocytus, then look for another FF plugin.
20:19<robbiethe1st>easy install, with it's own os-independant repo
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20:20<abrotman>winsen: sometihng is wron gwith your IMAP config sonuds like
20:20<cocytus>robbiethe1st thats why I was asking around if there is something else in the repos that is a good replacement. I trust the judgment on this # more then what the avg joe down loads.
20:21<robbiethe1st>fair enough
20:21<winsen>abrotman: I thaught like you, but it seems not, cause I did verified
20:21<robbiethe1st>personally, I use RefControl set on 'forge', NoScript
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20:22<winsen>are you sure that i can use more than 15 mail account on TB3?
20:23<winsen>abrotman: are you?
20:23<cocytus>robbiethe1st Ill look into RefControl.
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20:25<m0rtis0000>scientes: I was thinking i could put it in my .. /etc/fstab? but i don't see a blkid UUID for it
20:25<scientes>m0rtis0000, that is because it is not local
20:26<scientes>probably samba
20:26<m0rtis0000>scientes: if i plugged it in locally and put it in the fstab, then disconnected it and put it back on the network... i'm guessing that wouldn't work
20:27<scientes>m0rtis0000, no, it would not, you could plug it in locally, and then share it with your computer, if your computer runs constantly
20:27<scientes>otherwise use cifs in your /etc/fstab
20:27<scientes>http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs
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20:28<scientes>like this: //server/share /path_to/mount cifs guest,_netdev 0 0
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20:29<m0rtis0000>scientes: so i could call it /media/goflex
20:29<m0rtis0000>do i need to surround the name with quotes if there are spaces in it (ie: "goflex home public")
20:29<scientes>m0rtis0000, use the above syntax in your fstab, and man mount.cifs for the options to use
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20:30<scientes>not sure, I don't use spaces as they cause tons of problems with tons of software
20:30<m0rtis0000>i mean in the fstab, not necessarily in the /path_to/mount
20:31<m0rtis0000>the /server/share has a space in the share name... :P
20:31<scientes>between fields you can use tabs OR spaces----AHHH, well its either backslashes, or quotes, not sure
20:31<scientes>http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susesambacifs.html#escape
20:32<scientes>REALLY ugly \040
20:32<m0rtis0000>awesome! \40
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20:33<m0rtis0000>can i edit fstab directly or do i need to use a command to update then reread it?
20:35<abrotman>winsen: no .. ask mozilla
20:35<scientes>m0rtis0000, directly, but you need to be root
20:35<scientes>and then do mount //server/share OR mount /mount_point
20:35<scientes>OR mount -a
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20:36<Bossonlin>hello ppl is anybody here ?
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20:36<scientes>!ask | Bossonlin
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20:37<Bossonlin>!ask | Bossonline how to make nameservers on debian squeeze 6.0?
20:37<m0rtis0000>i don't notice the cifs daemon running
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20:37<Bossonlin>how to make nameservers on debian squeeze 6.0?
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20:39<Bossonline>!ask | Bossonline how to make nameservers on debian squeeze 6.0?
20:39<Bossonline>!ask | how to make nameservers on debian squeeze 6.0?
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20:39<scientes>!ask
20:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:39<scientes>Bossonline, install dnsmasq
20:40<Bossonline>i have installed it
20:40<Bossonline>but cannot config it
20:40<scientes>it works out of the box as a caching dns server
20:40<scientes>if you want PXE/tftp netboot, or DHCP you have a little configuring to do
20:40<Bossonline>can you check it`s rights or no?
20:40<Bossonline>ns1.georgianinfo.ge
20:40<Bossonline>ns2.georgianinfo.ge
20:41<Bossonline>i am using debian 6.0 squeeze on VPS
20:41<Bossonline>and have installed ispcpomega admin panel
20:41<Bossonline>for small hsoting
20:41-!-chlorophyle is now known as moloch
20:41<Bossonline>50 site hosting for my company studio
20:42<scientes>Bossonline, what does /etc/resolv.conf say?
20:42<Bossonline>now i installed MaraDNS
20:43<Bossonline>-bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied
20:43*moloch is away: Occupé
20:43<scientes>Bossonline, something is very wrong if you cant access /etc/resolv.conf
20:43<scientes>Bossonline, stop installing stuff that is not in debian, you should work only from the packages in debian
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20:44<Bossonline>only pakaches
20:44<scientes>dnsmasq works well, there is no reason to install something else because you cannot take 15 minutes to figure out what is going on
20:44<Bossonline>packages*
20:44<winsen>anyway thanks, good night
20:44<Bossonline>i am junior
20:45<scientes>Bossonline, there are plenty of packages IN debian to do most things, this is not windows where you are constantly installing stuff from 3rd party sources
20:45<Bossonline> needhelp
20:45*moloch is away: Occupé
20:45<scientes>type: cat /etc/resolv.conf
20:45<Bossonline>i stady
20:46<scientes>Bossonline, what language do you speak?
20:46<Bossonline>nameserver 4.2.2.1 nameserver 4.2.2.2
20:46<Bossonline>georgian, russian
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20:46<scientes>ahh, not many in #debian-ru
20:46<Bossonline>small english l
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20:47<Bossonline>nobody there
20:47<scientes>does "ping debian.org" work?
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20:48<Bossonline>PING debian.org (128.31.0.51) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from senfl.debian.org (128.31.0.51): icmp_req=1 ttl=51 time=77.2 ms 64 bytes from senfl.debian.org (128.31.0.51): icmp_req=2 ttl=51 time=77.2 ms 64 bytes from senfl.debian.org (128.31.0.51): icmp_req=3 ttl=51 time=102 ms
20:48<Bossonline>if you can give me link perfect tutorial maybe i can it with myself ?
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20:49<scientes>is dnsmasq installed?
20:49<Bossonline>yes
20:49<Bossonline>powerdns too
20:49<Bossonline>:|
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20:49<Bossonline>i install it all use howtoforge.com tutorials
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20:49<coffeecoloureddreams>hi
20:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 470] by debhelper
20:50<scientes>Bossonline, you can only have one dns server installed at once---if you have installed alot of packages by downloading .debs willy-nilly and sources you might want to reinstall
20:50<scientes>as a beginner you should only install from debian packages--i.e. apt-get install
20:50<Bossonline>notunderstand
20:50<coffeecoloureddreams>Is it possible to get rhythmbox, banshee or some other music player in squeeze, to work with wma files?
20:51<Bossonline>yes i install it with command apt-get install example packages
20:51<scientes>ubuntu has a much larger russian support group irc.freenode.net#ubuntu-ru
20:52<scientes>Bossonline, that is good, but avoid downloading packages, try to only install with apt-get----it does alot of stuff that avoids big problems you end up with otherwise
20:52<abrotman>scientes: how the hell does that help him ?
20:52<m0rtis0000>scientes: is /path_to/mount a type of keyword? i used /media/goflex and it came back with an error saying it couldn't find it
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20:53<Bossonline>scientes, and what i can now ?
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20:53<scientes>Bossonline, well remove all dns server besides dnsmasq
20:54<Bossonline>scientes > if can give me link other worked tutorial for nameservers please.
20:54<scientes>at the very least you can see what it is in /etc/init.d/, and then do update-rc.d $whatever remove
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20:54<scientes>and /etc/init.d/$whatever stop
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20:54<scientes>to keep it from loading
20:54<Bossonline>scientes > sudo apt-get remove maradns ?
20:54<scientes>Bossonline, yes
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20:55<scientes>Bossonline, man dnsmasq
20:55<scientes>m0rtis0000, not a keyword, did it work when you typed in the first part, or mount -a ?
20:56<scientes>you have to edit /etc/fstab first and have it set up---and you wont have to on subsequent boots because the boot scripts run mount -a
20:56<m0rtis0000>i typed the whole thing then saved and rand mount -a
20:57<m0rtis0000>gave me mount: mount point /media/goflex does not exist
20:57<Bossonline>scientes > Unpacking dnsmasq (from .../dnsmasq_2.55-2_all.deb) ... Setting up dnsmasq-base (2.55-2) ... Setting up dnsmasq (2.55-2) ... insserv: warning: script 'K01mydns' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv: warning: script 'mydns' missing LSB tags and overrides Starting DNS forwarder and DHCP server: dnsmasq dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket: Address already in use failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript dnsmasq, action "start" failed.
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20:57<coffeecoloureddreams>is this the wrong channel for media file related queries?
20:57<scientes>!pastebin
20:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
20:57<scientes>Bossonline, its saying that your other dns server is still installed and running
20:57<scientes>you have to remove all other dns servers first
20:58<scientes>coffeecoloureddreams, what is your problem?
20:59<coffeecoloureddreams>Is it possible to get rhythmbox, banshee or some other music player in squeeze, to work with wma files?
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20:59<coffeecoloureddreams>^^ I'm wondering what I need to install to make wma files playable on squeeze, using rhythmbox/banshee etc
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21:01<abrotman>i've used totem with some files
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21:02<scientes>coffeecoloureddreams, install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg from debian-multimedia
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21:02<coffeecoloureddreams>thanks scientes, I'll do that now
21:03<coffeecoloureddreams>hmm, it tells me that I already have the newest version installed.
21:04<coffeecoloureddreams>I'm not sure if I have all the media repositories necessary, maybe that's the problem?
21:04<abrotman>coffeecoloureddreams: try to install it and see
21:04<scientes>I think the debian version have some stuff removed due to (presumed) patent liability
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21:06<scientes>http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/MPEG-LA
21:06<coffeecoloureddreams>abrotman, I tried installing it and that's the message I received.
21:06<Bossonline>scientes > sorry i cannot
21:06<Bossonline>:|
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21:07<scientes>amd64 http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/g/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-dmo/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg_0.10.13-0.2_amd64.deb
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21:09<scientes>coffeecoloureddreams, ^
21:09<abrotman>you dn't need that to play WMA files
21:10<abrotman>coffeecoloureddreams: did you try VLC ?
21:11<coffeecoloureddreams>abrotman, I'm trying to get wma files to work within either banshee or rhythmbox, mainly so that I can use my media library properly.
21:11<coffeecoloureddreams>I only use vlc for videos, because its playlist features aren't really very good.
21:11<coffeecoloureddreams>thanks scientes I'll download it now
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21:13<coffeecoloureddreams>scientes, looks like I've got dependency problems. I'll need to download libstream or some such file
21:13<scientes>apt-get -f install
21:13<abrotman>still shuldn't need that package .. but i'm sure scientes will do something for you
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21:14<scientes>abrotman, support is in debian proper now?
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21:16<scientes>why doesn't coffee need that package?
21:16<scientes>coffeecoloureddreams, did you try apt-get -f install?
21:16<coffeecoloureddreams>scientes, nope, just tried installing it through the package installer
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21:18<scientes>then you need that too from oooo, then you have to download that too from http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/
21:18<scientes>or add it to your sources.list
21:19<scientes>wait, thats unstable
21:19<coffeecoloureddreams>scientes, when I try either install or -f install http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/g/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-dmo/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg_0.10.13-0.2_amd64.deb
21:19<scientes>anyways: just use instructions here http://debian-multimedia.org/
21:20<coffeecoloureddreams>it says "unable to locate ..."
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21:20<scientes>coffeecoloureddreams, apt-get -f install, is for after having installed a package without dependancy resolution through dpkg -i
21:20<scientes>you really should add debian-multimedia to your sources according to the instructions
21:21<scientes>deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main
21:21<scientes>or similar
21:21<madsci>where can i find a module for RTL 81915 chipset
21:22<coffeecoloureddreams>scientes, I already have it in my sources list
21:22<madsci>i remember there was some wiki where i could get modules but i forgot where orz
21:22<scientes>ahh, that is why abrotman said you didn't need it
21:23<coffeecoloureddreams>scientes, I guess ... don't recall mentioning that I had already altered my sources.list to include it.
21:24<scientes>have you done apt-get update
21:24<coffeecoloureddreams>yep
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21:24<panko>I have a keyboard labtec wireless media 800. And three keys aren't detected by xev nor kernel... ¿there's somthing to do with that?
21:24<scientes>you could try gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad
21:24<panko>(not to buy a new keyboard :D )
21:24<scientes>but it doesn't say it includes wmv
21:25<scientes>otherwise I really don't know
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21:27<scientes>panko, irc.freenode.net##hardware
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21:27<panko>scientes: thnx
21:28<scientes>(IMHO your screwed)
21:28<madsci>how do i get the driver for RTL 81915 wlan adapter on debian?
21:28<coffeecoloureddreams>scientes, thanks for the assistance. I'll try googling it some more. There must be a solution out there, I'm not the only fool to have burnt CDs as wma and then given the CDs away :|
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21:29<coffeecoloureddreams>I'm sure others are similarly stuck
21:30<scientes>madsci, is that the broadcom driver?
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21:32<madsci>its the one here http://gnuman.com/iogear-gwu625-wireless-usb-stick-review/
21:32<scientes>madsci, have you tried it yet?
21:32<madsci>yeah
21:33<scientes>madsci, in GNU/Linux drivers are included with the kernel, you don't have to use driver CD's, driver downloads, etc---all you have to do to support new hardware is upgrade your kernel
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21:34<scientes>madsci, paste "lsusb" and "lsmod" to pastebin.com
21:35<scientes>http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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21:35<scientes>madsci, do you have GNOME installed?
21:36<madsci>yea
21:36<scientes>then just click on the network manager in the toolbar to configure your wireless
21:37<scientes>do you see it there?
21:37<madsci>yeah
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21:37<scientes>madsci, what do you need?
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21:37*simonlnu wonders when this turned into #debian-gnome ^_^
21:40<scientes>simonlnu, lots of people of various skill levels have all sorts of issues, it usually accomplishes the most to just help people
21:40<simonlnu>scientes: it was a silly comment, just ignore it ;)
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21:44<scientes>m0rtis0000, //192.168.1.2/GOFLEX_HOME/GoFlex\040Home\040Public /media/GoFlex cifs rw,user=xxx,password=xxx,_netdev 0 0
21:44<scientes>I don't think you need the _netdev
21:45<scientes>m0rtis0000, //192.168.1.2/GOFLEX_HOME/GoFlex\040Home\040Public /media/GoFlex cifs rw,user=xxx,password=xxx,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
21:46<scientes>substitute 1000 for the user and group id of your user account on the computer that is mounting the share
21:46<scientes>as smb doesn't know unix permissions
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21:50<m0rtis0000>scientes: no such file or directory. i think i have to give up for tonight lol
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21:53<iiu7>How can I make the "interfaces" file to do "route del default; route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"? And possible swicth back again if the tunnel is put down.
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22:00<peterS>iiu7: 'man interfaces', read about the tags 'post-up' and 'post-down'
22:00<scientes>what do i loose if I remove the "locales" package?
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22:01<peterS>scientes: ability to (a) use non-ASCII characters in a lot of things, (b) decide what language to display things in, (c) various less important things like country-specific default date/time formats
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22:02<scientes>peterS, like setting LANG=C?
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22:02<peterS>scientes: yeah basically, if you remove locales, LANG=C is your only functioning choice
22:02<scientes>if I always use UTF-8 am I generally OK?
22:02<peterS>scientes: UTF-8 is not in the "C" locale, no
22:03<peterS>ASCII, a subset of UTF-8, is in the C locale
22:03<scientes>ahhhh
22:03<scientes>so I should probably keep it then
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22:03<peterS>there has been talk of including some sort of UTF-8 character set support in the libc6 base package so people can use UTF-8 without installing 'locales', but afaik it has not happened
22:04<simonlnu>C.UTF-8 ? :P
22:04<peterS>simonlnu: that is one proposal. others don't like it because C.* is sort of reserved and there is the fear that if Debian creates a locale and calls it C.UTF-8 it could conflict with what POSIX does in the future
22:05<scientes>I understand what UTF-8 is
22:06<scientes>yeah, that would be cool, I guess
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22:08<simonlnu>UNIX.UTF-8 or such. or even Debian.UTF-8
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22:09<scientes>does debian only use UTF-8 by default?
22:09<scientes>(even for tranlations)
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22:11<simonlnu>other than posix c yes
22:11<scientes>well, that is UTF-8 too, as ASCII < UTF-8
22:12<scientes>or does POSIX extend beyond ASCII?
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22:13<peterS>Debian supports quite a lot of legacy encodings, but new installations will get UTF-8 locales by default, if the administrator does not choose otherwise. But we do support, e.g., manpages in locales other than UTF-8, I believe the man-db software actually autodetects this stuff
22:14<simonlnu>it does
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22:14<scientes>simonlnu, yuck
22:14<simonlnu>used to see a whole bunch in older releases
22:14<peterS>certain GUI software (I think GTK+ apps) is unhappy with filenames using non-UTF-8 encodings, the toolkit seems to assume that all filenames are always UTF-8
22:14<scientes>like 885something-1, and SHIFT-JIS and other shit
22:15<scientes>peterS, you can always convert to UTF-8, and I think that is a reasonable way to make a new system
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22:16<scientes>peterS, I've seen UTF-8 in C code, lxde (written in chinese/english) for example
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22:16<simonlnu>KOI-* VISCII SHIFT-JIS of various sorts ISO-8859-* ugh
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22:21<scientes>ewwww, that stuff needs to be deprecated for UTF-8 only
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22:36<blawiz>anyone else experiencing slow spacefm performance?
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23:28<deb1an>helloo
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23:29<deb1an>can some explain pls how to install a kernel deb package and headers deb without source folder is it possible
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23:31<dlenrek>is amavis / clamav / spamassasin still a winning trio?
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23:34<blixt>Was wrong about your client Moppy its not Xchat it is mIRC v7.22 Khaled Mardam-Bey. Sry about the linux cmds
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23:39<amitz>what's the name of that app that starts with x, where i can choose which to output, resolution, etc. on the tip of my tongue...
23:40<jardiamj>Hi guys! I created a group with addgroup and gave this group all permisions to a folder under /var/www/
23:40<dlenrek>well dpkg isn't telling me otherwise, so postfix/cyrus-imap/sieve + amavis/[clamav/spamassassin] it is
23:40<jardiamj>now I want to add my user to that group, but it doesn't seem to happen
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23:41<dlenrek>adduser user group
23:41<jardiamj>I run adduser <username> <group>
23:42<jardiamj>but then when I run groups that group doesn't appear in the list
23:42<blixt># usermod -a -G www-data you
23:42<jardiamj>what does that do blixt?
23:43<dlenrek>id user ?
23:43<blixt>jardiamj adds you to the group www-data
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23:43<jardiamj>and that group should have all permision to /var/www/ ?
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23:45<jardiamj>I run that command and then groups and that group doesn't appear in the list either..
23:45<blixt>You need to login again.
23:45<blixt>well thats the best way to make sure its working.
23:46<blixt>that type groups
23:46<jardiamj>ok, I'll be back then..
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23:48<jardiamj>blixt you were right, now both groups are appearing there
23:48<jardiamj>and I was already pulling my hair out...
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23:48<onryo>yup, I wrote a script here that will automate all that stuff for you. Did it for the Drupal guy https://drupal.org/node/882760
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23:49<onryo>and there way to easy to hack cms
23:49<onryo>As you can see I dont let o "others" do jack
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23:50<peterS>onryo: ever heard of the g+s bit? I bet it would solve your same problem more automatically
23:50<onryo>find . -type d -exec chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o= {} \;
23:50<onryo>find . -type f -exec chmod u=rw,g=r,o= {} \;
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23:50<onryo>and www-date is the group
23:51<onryo>or should be
23:51<peterS>onryo: basically mode 2750 instead of 750 (g=rsx instead of g=rx) on directories. it means that any newly created file inherits the directory's group automatically. and any newly created _dir_ inherits both the group and the g+s bit.
23:51<peterS>standard linux filesystem feature
23:52<onryo>peterS or you can use umask but Ill look into that
23:52<peterS>the rest of the mask (like the 'o' bits) is not inherited, though - g+s doesn't do everything
23:52<peterS>I'd say chmod g+s the directories _and_ use a umask of 027
23:53<onryo>peterS yeah that should let the permissions me inherited correctly.
23:54<peterS>onryo: btw another handy feature that is linux-specific (actually GNU specific) is on those 'find' commands - end them with + instead of \;
23:54<peterS>onryo: + is easier to type _and_ has the side effect (not needed, just sort of nice) of sending all the filenames on a single 'chmod' command line, instead of one chmod command per file
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23:56<onryo>true true. This was just something I tossed together really fast. I think its nuts to let others o= anything at all. OK the group can get a read but thats it.
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23:58<onryo>When I was an evil kid I thought it was fun to use sqlmap with metasploit. The result was I became very paranoid over my own servers. Almost any CMS can be trashed. Now I just use pure html on a OpenBSD server. Forget a database and JS!
23:59<kop>msg dpkg upg
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