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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-02-14

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00:06<ghosTM55>hi all
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00:32<TIBS01>moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Service Pack 1 (6.1.7601) up: 2days 12hrs 7mins 6secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2450M CPU @ 2.50GHz (x64) at 775MHz (13% Load) gfx: Intel Corporation Intel(R) HD Graphics Family -1.24GB res: x bit Hz ram: 2919/6038.2MB (48.34%) [|||||-----] hdd: C:\ 579.79GB/679GB net: Intel[R] Centrino[R] Wireless-N 1030 - 117MB/s 17.62GB In 7.9GB
00:32<TIBS01>Out
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00:42<ruslan_osmanov>hi. Normally a master user should have system - preferences - passwords and encryption keys available. But one has no such an item on our LAN.How do I enable it there?
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00:43<ruslan_osmanov>it asks for a password of previous user. I changed it with sudo passwd this_user. But his password still there in "passwords and encryption keys". Alternatively I'd remove a folder (in $HOME?) with these passwords
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00:59<Doug_>hello
01:00<Doug_>any mepis lovers here?
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01:09<scientes>!debian
01:09<dpkg>well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
01:09<scientes>mepis != mepis
01:09<scientes>lol != debian
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01:12<Doug_>me debian lenny >> squeeze with ftp://mepis.mirrorcatalogs.com/mepis/packages/mepis/ in synaptic
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01:17<XeroXer>Hi all! Found out that my laptop overheating was because of me using the Nouveau driver for my nvidia card. I don't have the problem when using vesa but in my fluxbox setup I set my resolution with xrandr on startup, that doesn't seem to work for vesa. Anyone have any other way of controlling the resolution in vesa with a nice command? :)
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01:22<hoshi411>anyone know of a repo that will get me a better usb persistent installer than unetbootin for debian stable or testing?
01:22<jm_>XeroXer: you'll most likely need to add monitor settings to xorg.conf and then it'll work fine
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01:22<hoshi411>the debian repos don't really offer this. mint and ubuntu have a couple really nice utilities for making persistent usb thumb drives
01:23<jm_>hoshi411: why not use debian live?
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01:23<hoshi411>jm_ what is debian live?
01:23<sofw34r7y4>debian es
01:23<hoshi411>is that the name of a repo?
01:23<hoshi411>or a package?
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01:24<jm_>!live
01:24<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org.
01:25<hoshi411>jm_ but arent those only debian systems and non persistent at thtat?
01:26<hoshi411>what if I want to make a series of random usb thumb persistent drives of different OSes to test out
01:26<hoshi411>unetbootin does a good job but is extremely ugly
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01:27<hoshi411>the boot screen is really lame compared to the other ones
01:27<hoshi411>i want to make these disks for users coming from windows and dont want them to be hit with the unetbootin screen first thing they come to
01:27<hoshi411>there are really great packages out there
01:28<hoshi411>ubuntu and mint and pinguy os have more than one great package for doing this
01:28<hoshi411>but none are available in debian which is hte system im runnning
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01:28<jm_>hoshi411: what does "only debian systems" mean?
01:29<hoshi411>jm_ the debian live project is i think something completely different from what I am looking for
01:29<jm_>regular debian installer can be used to install on a USB drive if that's what you mean
01:29<hoshi411>I am looking for a utility to take for example a ubuntu or mint or debian or arch iso file and make a persistent usb thumb drive out of it
01:29<hoshi411>debian live can not dothat
01:30<hoshi411>jm_ I dont want to make a regular install because that will not give me the caching benefits of a live persistent install
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01:30<jm_>hoshi411: what are caching benefits of a live persistent install?
01:30<hoshi411>live installs do a great job of caching everything into ram so the system runs super fast even off of a thumb drive
01:31<hoshi411>because a live install is meant to be run off of a cd or dvd, they are made in that way
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01:31<hoshi411>if i make it a normal install onto the little flash drive then it will be slow
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01:31<hoshi411>ive done it before
01:32<hoshi411>i can do a dd of the iso onto the drive and that will get me a live usb flash disk but ... then it will not have persistency
01:33<jm_>I only know of grml (debian based) that does that
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01:36<retrospectacus> he is looking for a tool that will make these for you, like unetbootin. I'm not aware of any others.
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01:37<retrospectacus>you can of course make them manually using the various images and installers
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01:38<jm_>i highly doubt unetbootin can do all that
01:39<retrospectacus>? nope that's what it does...
01:39<retrospectacus>hoshi411 you should (may) be able to customize/replace/skip the unetbootin grub thing which is admittedly ugly
01:40<jm_>really? it can take a distro installer ISO image and make an initrd of installed packages that's loaded in RAM?
01:41<hoshi411>retrospectacus: if I could edit the boot screen a little that would be nice I guess
01:42<retrospectacus>jm_: I haven't played with it much (only tried a few d/l options and isos and onto USB only) but yeah exactly
01:43<retrospectacus>jm_: not the installer ISo, something live
01:44<retrospectacus>hoshi411: well I don't know how to do it but it's linux... anything is possible
01:45<jm_>retrospectacus: well if one has a live image then one doesn't need unetbootin, right?
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01:45<retrospectacus>oh for sure
01:45<retrospectacus>but it's got the clicky-clicky for the noobs and it will download the images for you
01:46<jm_>looking at bootcd it doesn't mention to_ram option, otherwise it's almost there
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03:34<shaji>configuring dhcp server for different subnets howto
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03:35<retrospectacus>shaji: refer to the docs... it's all in the default config
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03:37<shaji>hello retrospectacus where the doc location
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03:38<shaji>how we can classify the dhcp clients
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03:41<retrospectacus>man dhcpd.conf
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03:42<retrospectacus>or just edit it, there are tons of examples
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03:46<h0n3st>‎is it possible to install mint mgse on debian ?
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03:51<shaji>hello retrospectacus how we can collect dhcp configuration examples
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03:51<hendry>in interfaces file, do auto eth0 and allow-hotplug eth0, conflict?
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03:52<retrospectacus>read /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf shaji - that is *the* configuration file and it contains many examples
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03:54<shaji>hello retrospectacus in this file only says that classifying and pooling , how we can pool the dhcp clients
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03:56<retrospectacus>shaji: I don't know anything about that. If you need more information than the "pool" example, read "man dhcpd.conf" like I said or ask google
03:56<shaji>hello retrospectacus 200 nos of pc in 0.1 , another 200 nos of pc in 1.1 etc howto through dhcp
03:57<retrospectacus>shaji: the man page appears to contain lots of info about pools
03:57<shaji>thank you retrospectacus
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03:58<Josema>ee
03:58<Josema>kiyo stais ay ?
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03:58<Josema>debjelper tas?
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04:10<CyberPax>Good morning everyone
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04:17<loplop>hi
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04:17<loplop>hi
04:18<AskingAlexandira>hay
04:18<loplop>ma du
04:18<AskingAlexandira>wie gehst
04:18<loplop>schule :(
04:18<AskingAlexandira>penis
04:18<themill>!de
04:18<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
04:18<loplop>muschie
04:18<AskingAlexandira>:P
04:18<AskingAlexandira>arsch ficker
04:18<loplop>immer doch
04:18<AskingAlexandira>:P
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04:19<lp>what is this? SRC=s.s.s.s DST=d.d.d.d LEN=56 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=247 ID=42440 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=11 CODE=0 [SRC=s.s.s.s DST=d.d.d.d LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=575 PROTO=TCP INCOMPLETE [8 bytes] ]
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04:21<jm_>lp: a message from iptables' LOG module
04:22<lp>jm_: very funny
04:22<jm_>lp: I fail to see any funnary in this
04:22<weasel>it's a garbeld message.
04:22<weasel>one where you broke the only relevant pieces of info
04:23<lp>i'm confused whether it is icmp or tcp - never saw this before (i configured the firewall myself, just had to remove the IPs due to EU law)
04:23<weasel>bs
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04:23<jm_>it's icmp time exceeded
04:24<weasel>iow, he broke his network by setting up stupid rules.
04:24<weasel>at least if he drops that
04:24<lp>i even more puzzled because the source IP seems to be allocated to afrinic according to whois, but geoip means it's in the US, at cogent communications, whose map shows they don't have any network in africa
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04:25<lp>weasel: could you please explain?
04:25<weasel>you shouldn't drop icmp.
04:26<lp>oh. it was shorewall's default, i thought tom knows better… incoming icmp is dropped
04:27<lp>how can i tell from that hex dump what it is? reading RFCs?
04:27<jm_>PROTO=ICMP TYPE=11 CODE=0
04:28<lp>then why does the dump say tcp in brackets? that's also generated by netfilter
04:28<jm_>you can find it in /usr/include/netinet/ip_icmp.h and on the net too (google for "icmp type code")
04:29<lp>iptables -A REJECTLOG -j LOG --log-level debug --log-tcp-sequence --log-tcp-options --log-ip-options -m limit --limit 3/s --limit-burst 8 --log-prefix "REJECT "
04:29<lp>iptables -A REJECTLOG -p tcp -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset
04:30<lp>these are the two rules - my problem probably is trying to log an icmp packet as a tcp dump?
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04:30<lp>but i still don't understand, i drop icmp in a previous rule, why does it come through here?
04:31<lp>jm_: thnaks
04:31<lp>jm_ thanks :)
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04:34<jm_>lp: no, it's not logged as tcp, the stuff in [] is from a payload
04:35<lp>jm_: payload? you mean the packet contents is unusual?
04:36<lp>i was just googling for pros and cons to dropping incoming icmp - i'd welcome tips, though
04:37<jm_>lp: no, there's nothing unusual about this
04:38<lp>jm_: ok, then what should i do with incoming icmp? just let the kernel deal with it?
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04:39*lp probably needs to read that linux firewalling and proxy howto
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04:41<jm_>lp: at least don't drop all of it -- i.e. like here http://rimuhosting.com/howto/firewall.jsp
04:42<lp>jm_: just found http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/firewalls/firewall-seen.html#8.1
04:42<lp>jm_: thanks for the link, i'll go read it now
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04:47<lp>jm_: just read it, it makes sense - i'll fix my setup, thanks for all the info
04:47<jm_>lp: no worries
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05:00<xun>what is the recomended way of using encryption (https i assume) towards the repositories?
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05:01<fabianvampiro>hi
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05:02<themill>xun: given that the repository contents are GPG authenticated, there's not much advantage in doing so from a security point of view.
05:03<xun>themill, i was thinking about that, cant you still do a mitm if you would like?
05:04<themill>only if you can fake the GPG signature of the ftp people or manufacture a SHA-sum collision
05:05<xun>:)
05:05<xun>thats a good assumption
05:05<fabianvampiro>hi I am newuser for here
05:05<fabianvampiro>Can you help me?
05:05<towo^work>no one knows
05:06<towo^work>because no one knows with what
05:06<fabianvampiro>How to specify NETWORK PROXY in backbox??
05:06<fabianvampiro>this option is like ubuntu
05:06<themill>fabianvampiro: try #backbox on irc.autistici.org.
05:07<XayOn>fabianvampiro: As you're using ubuntu, you could also try #ubuntu
05:07<XayOn>!ubuntu
05:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:08<themill>(actually, it's not even Ubuntu but an ubuntu derivative)
05:08<XayOn>heh
05:08<fabianvampiro>thanks
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05:09<XayOn>You're welcome.
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05:11<woodenbook>hello
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05:12<woodenbook>is anyone here?
05:12<dudley>.
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06:02<Firdaus>what is python IDE on debian ?
06:02<simonlnu>there's a number of editors that support python either with addons or as a main focus
06:02<simonlnu>!tell Firdaus -about search
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06:03<themill>,i eric
06:03<judd>Package eric (devel, optional) in squeeze/i386: full featured Python IDE. Version: 4.4.7-1; Size: 5645.3k; Installed: 26936k; Homepage: http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/eric
06:04<simonlnu>e.g.
06:04<simonlnu>that one has scintilla engine for syntax highlighting and checking
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06:08<Firdaus>how about your opini with pida IDE python ?
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06:12<simonlnu>that was an fyi, not opinion
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06:25<babilen>Firdaus: First of all: You can find a good overview of IDEs/Editors used in Python on http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments and http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors -- I would personally recommend to learn either vim or emacs (great editors) and configure them to work even better in Python. You might, however, prefer a full-blown IDE (they always felt clunky to me). I would also recommend to discuss this topic in ...
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06:25<babilen>... #python on irc.freenode.net
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07:14<boneshaker>Hello, is there any "special" channel for new, unexperienced Debian users, where they may ask technical questions? Thanks
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07:14<petemc>this one
07:14<boneshaker>Thank you
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07:16<boneshaker>My question: I have original not modified default Debian Squeeze installation on PC with "forcedeth" network adapter. So, my 1st question - what is the proper way (Debian way), to pass module params to this module? I added them to /etc/modconf.d/myforcedeth.conf (as options foredeth param=opt) - is it ok?
07:17<boneshaker>or, there is some dpkg-something for doing such task? And users not allowed to manually add params in config files?
07:17<babilen>modconf.d? Are you sure that you don't mean /etc/modprobe.d/ ? If so that would be correct.
07:17<boneshaker>Ohh sry :)
07:17<boneshaker>Yes, modprobe.d
07:17<boneshaker>i created new file there manullly - so it proper way?
07:18<towo^work>it is
07:18<boneshaker>Thank you guys
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07:20<babilen>You are most welcome -- I would recommend to read some introductory documentation on Debian and, in particular, the Debian reference. Just ask our bot about <reference>, <grounding>, <introduction> and <general cli tutorial> (or any other factoid in <…>) with "/msg dpkg reference"
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07:21<boneshaker>Thank you very much, babilen! Will start to read it right now!
07:21<babilen>boneshaker: I also like to recommend http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/ (and in particular the sample chapter on package management) as it is (from what I've seen) well written and engaging.
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07:23<boneshaker>thx, added this to bookmark :D (Sorry, 1st time use irssi client - cant find how to send private message :D) Sorry :D
07:23<babilen>!tell boneshaker -about irc tutorial
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07:23<babilen>boneshaker: Once again: Welcome and may you have a nice day!
07:24<boneshaker>Thank you!! To be true - never seen so welcome and friendly channel!
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07:48<evaluate>Hello.
07:48<evaluate>If I have 2 different repos and both of them have the same package but in different versions, is it possible for me to see the exact versions from cli?
07:49<babilen>evaluate: "apt-cache policy PKG"
07:50<evaluate>Thank you!
07:50<babilen>evaluate: I'd like to note that this shouldn't normally happen.
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07:54<evaluate>Yes, I know, but on a recent update a package got screwed, so I need to add a different repo and reinstall an older version.
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07:54<evaluate>But that won't work as expected... :-\
07:54<Myon>evaluate: snapshot.debian.org
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07:55<evaluate>Not a fault in the system itself, but the older package needs python<2.7, and I won't downgrade half of my system for that...
07:55<evaluate>Myon, it's not an official Debian package, it's a repo with gimp 2.7 (since I hate having multiple windows in 2.6)
07:55<evaluate>Anyways, I'll figure this out somehow, thanks for the help!
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07:58<evaluate>Ohh, neat, I still have the older versions in /var/cache/apt/archives/, that's pretty neat I must say...
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08:03<rpetre>hello, i'm doing a bootstrap install from a non-debian livecd and i get "unknown compression type", do i need xz-utils or something?
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08:13<ayaka>does postgresql can does cluster?
08:14<babilen>ayaka: Yes, http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Replication,_Clustering,_and_Connection_Pooling (google "psql cluster")
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08:16<ayaka2>does ldirector support it
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08:18<ayaka>and is there a place talk about load balance?
08:19<bzed>ayaka: uhm... simple round robin load balancing to a database server might not be what you want :)
08:19<bzed>ayaka: better look into pgpool, pgbouncer and similar stuff
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08:20<ayaka>bzed,what is it?
08:20<bzed>ayaka: what about reading the page you've been linked to?
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08:21<bzed>ayaka: and if you have no idea about all that stuff, you might want to ask a database specialist to analyze what you need. or at least ask on an appropriate mailing list.
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08:23<bzed>ayaka: http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/
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08:24<ayaka>bzeb,in fact,i in android yaais,it's a little hard to open link,i will do it late,by
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08:25<ayaka>and i also concern about load balance used for,and could speak english in a simplier way?
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08:28<ayaka2>bzed,so some worry,would mind respeaking,i don't copy log
08:29<bzed>ayaka2: read the page you were linked to.
08:29<bzed>ayaka2: and the links on that page.
08:30<ayaka2>bzed link i lost,don't copy,i don't how to letyaaic log android is too hard to use
08:30<bzed>ayaka2: then use google.
08:30<bzed>ayaka2: we are not here to waste our time because you fail to use a usable device
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08:33<ayaka2>bzed,i'm sorry,i know that,could you re-send your link,i will install debian late
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08:36<ayaka>bzed,please
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08:37<ayaka>babilen,i'm very sorry,could you re-send you link
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08:40<sergio1>xavi
08:40<sergio1>estas ahi?
08:40<Xavi>what?
08:41<sergio1>fliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipas
08:41<babilen>!es-social sergio1
08:41<dpkg>sergio1: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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08:42<ayaka>bzed,i'm very sorry to waste your time
08:43<ayaka>anyone could send what bezd
08:43<babilen>ayaka: Just google for "psql cluster" and you'll find all the information you need. The link I gave you is the first hit (at least here)
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08:47<ayaka>i'm sorry,nickh has sent your link to me,then i need bzed said,it has some thing i don't know,and yaaic won't log i copy log by hand,i want debian
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08:49<pleb2>Hi Everyone
08:49<pleb2>where is libapache2-mod-auth-ntlm-winbind for squeeze??
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08:50<ayaka3>babilen,have you said something,android is very unstable and strange
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08:51<abmanutencoes>olá
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08:51<babilen>ayaka3: Yes, I did. Please fix your connection as I cannot repeat the same information over and over again. Just google for "psql cluster" or "postgresql cluster" or "postgresql replication" or ... and you find all the information you need.
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08:52<ayaka>thank you,babilen,
08:53<abmanutencoes>alguem de rondonia
08:53<abmanutencoes>?[
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08:53<XayOn_>!pt
08:53<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
08:53<abmanutencoes>nome de viado eim?
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08:53<ayaka>but onething i can't understand what is different between load balance and cluster
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08:54<XayOn_>According to google translate abmanutencoes just said "name of fagot?" ...
08:55<XayOn_>Isn't there something like !es-social for portuguese? I guess this one isn't looking for debian help precisely.
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08:56<abmanutencoes>se alguem quizer o crack do ADOBE PREMIUM CS5 TODOS SOFTAWARES
08:56<abmanutencoes>ACC AE
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08:56<arand>!br
08:56<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:58<ayaka>msg doj
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08:58<XayOn_>Funny how "apenas" is used in portugese to mean "just" or "only" and in spanish is most used to say "barely". I first read this channel is barely in english, and lol'd
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09:05<ayaka2>it seems my network should be repaired,seems no one know the last qs,then another question
09:06<ayaka2>i know ftp must die,but how to upload film without ftp
09:06<petemc>upload to where?
09:07<ayaka2>a server
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09:07<petemc>it depends on what the server supports
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09:07<petemc>scp is popular
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09:08<ayaka>but it don't has a isolate account in system,witt you can log in
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09:09<petemc>i dont know what that means
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09:10<ayaka>ssh need you has an unix account
09:11<kop>petemc: He means he wants an anonymous scp upload.
09:11<ayaka>but ctp only need a ftp account
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09:12<ayaka>kop no really but it's also interest,i want it use a isolate account system
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09:13<kop>ayaka: Then you want to use pam. Use ldap or some other back-end authentication database.
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09:14<kop>ayaka: Pam with scp. Or you could setup something with http, say webdav, if you really don't want to use scp. What are you really trying to do?
09:15<ayaka>kop,i just want scp like ftp don't has an unix account
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09:15<kop>ayaka: You can configure pam to use another auth db for any service, scp or whatever.
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09:16<kop>!pam
09:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://web.archive.org/web/20110721105843/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide: http://web.archive.org/web/20110613030734/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html
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09:16<ayaka>kop i see,slap can also do like pam,but does the account is like a account in linux?
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09:17<ayaka>i means can slap
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09:18<kop>ayaka: Pam separates the auth db (unix, ldap, whatever) from the application code so the sysadm can configure what db(s) he wants to use to authenticate for which daemons.
09:18<kop>ayaka: Yes.
09:20<ayaka>kop thank you i want learn slap,then you tell more,i am to learn new thing
09:20<kop>ayaka: (But what you're really trying to do is not "scp like ftp", what you're really trying to do is: allow some people meeting some criteria to put files on some server somewhere with some required level of data transmission and authentication security. If you tell us more about what your really doing we might suggest alternatives.
09:20<ayaka>petemc thank you
09:20<XayOn_>2
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09:25<Firdaus>how to prepare madwifi on debian ?
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09:42<aopfer>@Firdaus: Madwifi is not in Debian since Squeeze. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519446
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09:43<aopfer>You shouldn't need to use Madwifi anymore. Are you following a tutorial? It might be outdated.
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09:45<fsilva4>#debian
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09:53<Firdaus>so
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09:53<Firdaus>can l prepare madwifi on wheezy
09:53<Pepper>hi! how can I check if a dbg-package is OK? gdb tells me "no debugging symbols found" in the file in /usr/lib/debug/
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09:56<anonymous>hi, may someone tell me if there is a specific channel, where i might get answers about xfce on debian?
09:56<petemc>you could try here
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09:57<anonymous>ok
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09:59<anonymous>i installed debian with the normal gnome environment, if i want to install xfce do i need to uninstall gnome first or can i do that afterwards?
09:59<petemc>there is no requirement for you to remove gnome to use xfce
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10:01<anonymous>so i can just install xfce alongside gnome, but how do i tell the system to use xfce instead of gnome?
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10:01<petemc>you should get an option to use xfce from gdm login screen
10:02<i_like_penguins>Hello, trying to add a repo to the sources.list file and getting errors. Here is the line that I am adding: deb http://repo.degeneratedlabs.net/debian/ ./unstable
10:04<anonymous>@petemc: ok thx for the help , i'll try it
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10:06<gnugr>i_like_penguins:what for you need this repo (which is wrong with "./")?
10:07<nsadmin>i_like_penguins, "I'm getting errors" ok, show them please
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10:07<XayOn>i_like_penguins: Heh, wich errors are you getting?
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10:07<XayOn>It's my repo, and just moved it out to a VPS that is been going down and up all the day.
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10:09<i_like_penguins>~# apt-get update
10:09<i_like_penguins>E: Malformed line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
10:09<i_like_penguins>E: The list of sources could not be read.
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10:09<i_like_penguins>I can ping the repo and browse to it, so it looks to be up
10:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 510] by debhelper
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10:10<nsadmin>and line 20 is the line you showed?
10:10<XayOn>i_like_penguins: Sorry, my fault, did you get it from my blog or the repo itself? the line should be deb http://repo.degeneratedlabs.net/debian aircrackng-unstable/
10:10<i_like_penguins>yep
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10:11<i_like_penguins>that looks better
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10:13<i_like_penguins>lol, getting not installable dependencies now. I take it I need to upgrade from squeeze to testing?
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10:14<XayOn>Uh, is testing deps yep, wich deps are not-installable on squeeze? I might be able to fix it for squeeze
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10:15<XayOn>Have to build a new package tonight for the lastest svn revision anyway, so it's the perfect moment.
10:15<nickh>Has anyone had any luck rebuilding proftpd-dfsg with the hardening-wrapper? I updated my build-depends to include hardening-wrapper and put "export DEB_BUILD_HARDENING=1" in the debian/rules file but package build fails with "first block lacks a source field"
10:15<Deltatash>Hi I was wondering if anyone could give me a hand I have conky installed and a conky script I made but problem is i can not get it to autostart with the system on bootup
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10:16<XayOn>i_like_penguins: ^
10:16<i_like_penguins>XayOn, libsel1.0.0 hydra and sslstrip
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10:16<Deltatash>currently I have a script .sh that looks like this "#!/bin/bash sleep 20 && conky; and then I go into "system > Preferences > startup applications and I add my bash script there
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10:17<Deltatash>but on reboot this does not worka nd conky does not autostart...any ideas what I am doing wrong?
10:17<XayOn>i_like_penguins: libsel?
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10:17<i_like_penguins>XayOn, libssl
10:17<i_like_penguins>typed it wrong
10:18<Deltatash>anybody know why my auto start bash script for conky does not work ? I am using Debian 6.0.4 Squeeze
10:18<Deltatash>#!/bin/bash sleep 20 && conky;
10:18<i_like_penguins>XayOn, I think it is looking for libssl >= 1.0.0
10:18<XayOn>i_like_penguins: Ok, that are recommends actually, not depends, I put them in the wrong place, next version will be fixed (and so ready for squeeze, I hope), do you have a few minutes?
10:18<i_like_penguins>XayOn, i got some time
10:19<Pepper>Deltatash: Is it executeable?
10:19<i_like_penguins>XayOn, at work, so i may duck out for a few minutes here or there
10:19<Deltatash>it is .sh
10:19<Deltatash>it works on my ubuntu system, i assumed it would work here on Debian
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10:19<XayOn>i_like_penguins: nice, because I'm going to build the package now and upload a new version, wich arch are you right now into? so I build it first.
10:20<Deltatash>it does not have "Allow executing file as a program" checked in the properties permissions, do I need that checked for it to work in debian?
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10:20<Pepper>Deltatash: yes
10:20*XayOn hopes it's amd64, as its in wich I'm right now
10:20<Deltatash>ok I will try that and restart Ill brb and let you know if it works :) thanks for the info
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10:23<Pepper>How can I check if a dbg-package is OK? gdb tells me "no debugging symbols found" in the file in /usr/lib/debug/
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10:24<Deltatash>marking my bash script to run as executable worked to autostart conky, Thanks a lot Pepper :D
10:24<Deltatash>it was so simple, was doing my head in haha
10:24<Pepper>:-)
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10:25<Deltatash>cya later though gotta go finish some other stuff of now :) thank you :)
10:25<XayOn>i_like_penguins: In fact, I'll build it in squeeze =)
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10:38<sskalnik_>What's a good channel for fixing compilation problems? I'm compiling a kernel driver, which has includes for some linux kernel headers, but it can't find them even though they are in the right place.
10:39<sskalnik_>It's DKMS, so I figure I just borked something up in the dkms.conmf
10:39<sskalnik_>s/conmf/conf/
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10:41<cloudm33>Hello. My YouTube lag's.
10:41<cloudm33>I have flashplugin-nonfree installed of course.
10:41<cloudm33>Browser - IceWeasel.
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10:41<cloudm33>Computer - so good, 3.0Ghz one core, 2gb ram, 256mb video card, and i don't know what is wrong.
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10:42<cloudm33>Distro - Debian Wheezy with XFCE, without compiz etc. (fully optimilized).
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10:47<Pepper>cloudm33: what is "about:plugins" in the url-field saying?
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10:48<cloudm33> Plik: libflashplayer.so
10:48<cloudm33> Wersja:
10:48<cloudm33> Shockwave Flash 11.1 r102
10:48<cloudm33>Plik - file/Wersja - Version.
10:49<Pepper>cloudm33: slow but playing?
10:50<cloudm33>Hmm, not slow, but if i do anything it's laggy.
10:50<cloudm33>Or i uploaded video, and i want to add "notes" to it, lag's.
10:50<cloudm33>Or i want write comment - lag.
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10:51<Pepper>cloudm33: tried smaller resolutions? (the gear on lower right)
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10:52<Pepper>cloudm33: network busy?
10:53<cloudm33>10mb/10mB
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10:53<cloudm33>I don't remember, byte's or bit's... I know where is diffrence.
10:54<cloudm33>I'm hobby programmer :)
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10:54<cloudm33>Network busy? Hmm, one laptop connected, one desktop connected. Also my Nokia C3 is connected, but do nothing.
10:55<Pepper>cloudm33: resolution?
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10:55<cloudm33>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8A1F6-cQV4&list=UUkw3OnL_BAPwjQZW6gIHh-A&index=1&feature=plcp
10:55<cloudm33>And lag's.
10:55<cloudm33>Small lag's, but lag's. It's my friend video.
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10:56<Pepper>cloudm33: are you playing in 480p or smaller?
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10:56<cloudm33>360p
10:56<Pepper>tried 240?
10:56<cloudm33>Hardware Acceleration is ON.
10:57<cloudm33>Why use 240? I have good PC, so why?
10:57<Pepper>maybe a driver problem...
10:57<cloudm33>At window's 7 flash don't was laggy, but i don't want to return. I never forgive this scary dream.
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10:57<cloudm33>Nvidia driver's, latest, installed by hand.
10:58<cloudm33>From nvidia site.
10:58<cloudm33>All correct.
10:58<cloudm33>So?
10:58<Pepper>tried debian nvidia from debian non-free
10:58<cloudm33>YES!
10:58<Pepper>did that work?
10:58<cloudm33>It's from Nvidia site, not noveau or other driver.
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10:59<Pepper>Tried the nvidia-package from debian? xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
10:59<cloudm33>Yes, super tux with open gl without my Nvidia card worked slow and laggy (a build in main-chip graphic card), and after - fast and all works ok.
11:00<cloudm33>i have P at it.
11:00<cloudm33>It's not I, so what it means?
11:00<cloudm33>I - installed, P - ?, V - Virtual.
11:00<cloudm33>Aptitude App. I don't like Synaptic, but i have this.
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11:01<Pepper>cloudm33: purged
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11:01<nsadmin>cloudm33, there must be SOMEWHERE you can see what that means...
11:01<cloudm33>I know.
11:01<cloudm33>"Impossible is nothing."
11:01<cloudm33>"I know a answer for all the question's. Just google it."
11:02<cloudm33>My favourite texts.
11:02<Pepper>P means purged (fully removed
11:02<Pepper>including configuration files)
11:02<adb>cloudm33, to much !enter
11:02<nsadmin>would it say P before ever installing it?
11:03<cloudm33>!enter
11:03<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
11:03<cloudm33>p not means WILL BE PURGED?
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11:05<cloudm33>Ok, i try myself resolve problem.
11:05<cloudm33>!exit
11:05<dpkg>/quit you fool!
11:05<cloudm33>jestem?
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11:06<XayOn>!customer
11:06<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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11:48<uncle_rom>debian with openbox is awesome
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11:48<uncle_rom>ob menu updating flawlessly
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11:49<uncle_rom>any suggestions on getting rid of greyish screen for black would be much appreciated
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11:53<jhutchins_wk>uncle_rom: All three of the other openbox users are away from the screen right now...
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11:53<uncle_rom>all 3 lol?
11:53<uncle_rom>ok i have gnome 3 maybe i should open that up and get frutrated with something in there instead
11:54<retrospectacus>heh
11:54<uncle_rom>like not being able to get rid of the 3 default desltop icons
11:55<uncle_rom>debian is working really really well. better than ubuntu, crunchbang and mint anyway
11:55<uncle_rom>why does everyone keep taking debian and screwing it up?
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11:56<uncle_rom>i guess it was harder for me to learn touse than those though- i should give them credit
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11:57<jhutchins_wk>uncle_rom: You could try #openbox
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11:57<jhutchins_wk>uncle_rom: I would imagine that the mailing list./ forums would be more fruitful.
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11:58<uncle_rom>i can copy from another distro it will be ok. I am just too giddy about my debian install right now
11:58<uncle_rom>il shut up
11:59<uncle_rom>i joined #openbox thanks
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12:03<dougmencken>hi! how hong does it usually took to get an answer for a bug report on deian?
12:03<dougmencken>debian*
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12:06<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Couple of years maybe.
12:06<dougmencken>ah, really
12:07<themill>bug number?
12:07<jhutchins_wk>Yep. Depends on severity, how common it is, and who cares about it.
12:07<dougmencken>I'm about a serious bug
12:07<dougmencken>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659658
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12:07<dougmencken>gtk3+ apps doesn't work at all
12:08<dougmencken>if they can be built doesn't mean they do work :)
12:08<sskalnik_>Is there something I need to send to "make" so that it uses the right includes?
12:08<themill>dougmencken: time in debian is measured in units of 1 week.
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12:08<dougmencken>themill: then it's a waste of time
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12:09<themill>(and your initial bug report was most unhelpful, I'm glad you followed it up with some information)
12:09<dougmencken>themill: upstream guys told me what to append
12:10<dougmencken>by the way: do you test your builds?
12:10<themill>Sure, thanks for doing so. Actually including a description of the bug in the initial report does make it much easier for the maintainer though.
12:10<dougmencken>segfault on launch is strange for distro
12:10<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: You mean they told you what to append to the bugreport or what to do to fix it?
12:11<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Well, it's testing, that's what testing is for.
12:11<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: abiword upstream (gnome team) told me that it's a bug in gtk3+
12:11<themill>dougmencken: not all builds can be tested prior to upload -- that's why people like you run the testing and unstable suites. YOU are the testers.
12:11<dougmencken>but they told me to send a report to debian
12:11<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: You should include/attach that information to the bugreport.
12:11<dougmencken>coz you will eventually post it to upstream -- by their words
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12:14<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: You should test other gtk apps and report them as well, with links to each other.
12:14<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: see comment 2 (last one), I did
12:15<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: but gnumeric is gtk2+ now in sid
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12:15<dougmencken>not 1.11.1 with appropr. goffice lib
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12:16<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: the problem is gtk3+ apps
12:17<wish> Looking up your hostname...
12:17<dougmencken>and you approved abiword 2.9.2, which is gtk3+ based
12:17<wish>* *** Checking Ident
12:17<wish>* *** Couldn't look up your hostname
12:17<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Is it in the apps or in gtk3?
12:17<dougmencken>which does work only on x86
12:17<wish>hey guys>>>>>>>>>.
12:17<themill>wish: please don't paste into the channel.
12:18<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: it is actually ctk3
12:18<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Who "approved" it? It's in testing, that's what testing is for.
12:18<dougmencken>s/ctk/gtk/
12:18<wish>kkkkkkkkkk
12:18<dougmencken>ah okay; but seems like nobody tests it except me
12:18<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Possibly.
12:18<themill>dougmencken: on powerpc? that's quite possible...
12:18<retrospectacus>heheh
12:18<themill>wish: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with?
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12:19<wish>nop!!!!!!!!!!11
12:19<dougmencken>the gtk+ users send me back to debian coz you have a hardware and such
12:19<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Does abiword work in stable on powerpc?
12:19<wish>i mean i m new user !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:19<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: 2.8.x work perfectly, coz it's gtk2 based
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12:19<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: You've checked this?
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12:20<themill>dougmencken: so your testing effort was successful then. Yay.
12:20<dougmencken>yes! I'm now using manually-built 2.8.9
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12:20<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Did you fix it?
12:20<dougmencken>2.8.6, sorry
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12:20<jhutchins_wk>Ah, I see.
12:20<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: no, it's deep inside gtk
12:20<jhutchins_wk>,versions abiword --arch ppc
12:20<judd>Package: abiword on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.4-5; squeeze: 2.8.2-2.1; sid: 2.9.2+svn20120123-1; wheezy: 2.9.2+svn20120123-1
12:21<jhutchins_wk>,versions abiword --arch powerpc
12:21<judd>Package: abiword on powerpc -- lenny: 2.6.4-5; squeeze: 2.8.2-2.1; sid: 2.9.2+svn20120123-1; wheezy: 2.9.2+svn20120123-1
12:21<dougmencken>2.9.2 is on gtk3, so it doesn't work; if gnumeric 1.11.x will appear in repos, it will not work too
12:21<dougmencken>since the launch
12:22<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: Do the gtk people have a fix yet?
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12:22<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: no, the don't have a hardware
12:22<dougmencken>they*
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12:22<dougmencken>and as I said, 2.9.2 on x86_32 and x86_64 works
12:22<dougmencken>in debian
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12:23<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: You should probably close the bug on abiword and open a new one against gtk.
12:23<themill>no, leave it as it is
12:24<dougmencken>jhutchins_wk: this is a job for maintainer of abiword, this is a test for him
12:24<jhutchins_wk>themill: Should he not report it against the actual package that has the problem?
12:24<dougmencken>to recognize it from gsb backtrace
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12:24<dougmencken>gdb*
12:24<themill>jhutchins_wk: how do you know that it's not abiword's misuse of gtk that's the problem?
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12:24<dougmencken>themill: abiword upstream did it in ~5 minutes
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12:25<chealer>dougmencken: "we" do not methodically test "our" builds, no.
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12:25<jhutchins_wk>themill: You're right, he hasn't actually established that it's a gtk problem by testing other packages.
12:25<dougmencken>chealer: so if it builds, it is okay? heh
12:25<themill>dougmencken: btw your backtrace isn't particularly useful. It would be handy if you could install debugging symbols and redo it
12:25<themill>dougmencken: we've covered that -- it builds and YOU test it.
12:26<jhutchins_wk>dougmencken: That's your job, that's why testing is available to you.
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12:26<dougmencken>ah, okay
12:26<themill>the hint is in the name of the suite.
12:26<chealer>dougmencken: not sure what you mean by "okay"
12:26<dougmencken>themill: ask me for debugging symbols in the comment to bug report
12:26<Hydroxide>dougmencken: chealer is only partially right. there is actually a lot of testing that happens in an automated fashion, such as whether packages install and uninstall without leaving stuff behind, but all the testing of whether the applications function correctly relies on humans reporting bugs or package maintainers / upstream authors creating up-to-date test suites
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12:27<Hydroxide>chealer is right that there's no debian-wide systematic automated functionality testing for apps. nor is there a feasible way to do that without insisting on predictably callable test suites for all packages
12:27<Hydroxide>and even those can have bugs
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12:28<dougmencken>Hydroxide: I almost got it; so it's all automatic, right?
12:28<dougmencken>and the real fails are up to users
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12:28<themill>dougmencken: it's only automatic if the upstream developers wrote tests that can be automated
12:28<Hydroxide>dougmencken: most packages don't have automatic test suites with 100% coverage
12:29<Hydroxide>dougmencken: in debian or in any other linux distro
12:29<dougmencken>I know, most packages don't have any :)
12:29<Hydroxide>dougmencken: right :)
12:29<dougmencken>I was about end-user testing
12:29<dougmencken>that's strange to be the first
12:29<Hydroxide>yeah, there's no automated end-user functionality testing, except any test suites that happen to exist and replicate that
12:29<themill>dougmencken: why are you surprised that you're the only powerpc user who happens to use abiword?
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12:30<Hydroxide>dougmencken: someone has to be the first to report each bug :)
12:30<dougmencken>themill: hmmmm, good question
12:30<dougmencken>how many of us are?
12:30<dougmencken>powerpc users of debian gnu/linux
12:30<Hydroxide>and you may or may not be the first. but if there was someone before you who didn't report it, it's the same as you being first
12:30<dougmencken>some statistics maybe?
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12:31<Hydroxide>there are statistics, but only on an opt-in basis.
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12:31<dougmencken>Hydroxide: maybe, I just hate to see that it works on x86 but not on my arch
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12:31<Hydroxide>and certainly we can't and don't track stats on people downloading from mirrors, for example
12:31<dougmencken>any statistics, I just need to be sure I'm not the only one
12:32<chealer>Hydroxide: maintainers are actually supposed to test "applications", but not individual *builds*
12:32<themill>dougmencken: I'll put it this way -- in popcon there are 2x the number of ppc users running armel and 400x more running both of i386 and amd64.
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12:32<Hydroxide>chealer: I think we're agreeing
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12:32<chealer>Hydroxide: that's not what I meant, I meant there is no methodical testing of individual builds, automated or not.
12:32<dougmencken>themill: so I'm not alone? okay
12:33<Hydroxide>dougmencken: http://popcon.debian.org/ - but, again, those are only useful in a relative sense since most people don't report to that.
12:33<Hydroxide>and habits may also vary by arch
12:33<dougmencken>popcon? w/o r inside?
12:33<dougmencken>okay
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12:33<Hydroxide>popularity contest
12:33<Hydroxide>so, yes
12:33<Hydroxide>:)
12:33<Hydroxide>chealer: I still think we're agreeing
12:33<chealer>dougmencken: there's popularity-contest, but you're not the only powerpc user for sure
12:34<dougmencken>hmm, logarythmic scale
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12:34<dougmencken>glad to see it's not lowering
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12:34<dougmencken>"constant base" heh
12:35<Hydroxide>dougmencken: I'm sure it's lower relative to x86 since when apple was shipping powerpc, but debian is still one of the linux distros with the best powerpc support
12:35<Hydroxide>even if it gets less use and therefore less testing than x86
12:36<Hydroxide>that's kind of hard to avoid, but testing and bug reports are always welcome
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12:36<dougmencken>cool, I switched from fedora12 actually
12:36<dougmencken>fedora and opensuse dropped us
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12:37<chealer>Hydroxide: I do disagree about "all the testing of whether the applications function correctly relies on humans reporting bugs or package maintainers / upstream authors creating up-to-date test suites". "users" are just second-line testers, it's first the job of maintainers.
12:37<Hydroxide>chealer: well, right. I may have spoken imprecisely. I argee with what you said
12:38<Hydroxide>*agree
12:39<dougmencken>okay, so I'll continue to wait for any response to my report
12:39<Hydroxide>chealer: but certainly it's not feasible to expect a package maintainer to test a graphical word processing app on all of debian's architectures. they very definitely should (and usually do) test basic functionality, sometimes plus more, for their build architecture before uploading
12:39<Hydroxide>but even on their build architecture, in the absence of a test suite with 100%, they can't practically test everything every build.
12:39<Hydroxide>*with 100% coverage
12:40<dougmencken>Hydroxide: one moment... do the build for non-x86 occurs as cross-build, right?
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12:41<chealer>well, it would be time-consuming with the current CPU architectures, and would certainly need work on infrastructure to become affordable.
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12:42<dougmencken>so is it cross or is it native?
12:42<Hydroxide>dougmencken: typically they're native, actually
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12:43<dougmencken>hmmm, so maints shall have a hardware to build, and they can make at least a dirty test, right?
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12:43<Hydroxide>chealer: not sure what the "it" is in your last comment.
12:43<themill>dougmencken: no, there are automated build farms that do the building
12:43<Hydroxide>dougmencken: ^^
12:43<ayaka>only x86 platform can do driver in user place,does it?
12:43<dougmencken>well, as I supposed
12:43<dougmencken>ayaka: don't say that :)
12:43<Hydroxide>dougmencken: the maintainers typically upload one or occasionally two architectures that they've built and tested themselves
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12:44<Hydroxide>dougmencken: and, yes, the rest are built from the source they've also uploaded. eventually debian may also discard the maintainer's binary upload and rebuild it from the source, to make sure that works, but we're not going to have maintainers upload source-only since we want people to successfully build them first
12:44<dougmencken>Hydroxide: and the rest are claimed as "works by defualt" then? hmmm
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12:45<ayaka>why?i hear that you only read hardware in x86 user place
12:45<Hydroxide>dougmencken: well no, they're claimed as 'builds by default'. as chealer and I are both saying, there's no automated testing
12:45<themill>dougmencken: [17:25] <themill> dougmencken: we've covered that -- it builds and YOU test it.
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12:45<Hydroxide>of the app functionality
12:45<dougmencken>got it
12:45<Hydroxide>except where test suites happen to exist and work and cover the features in question
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12:46<chealer>Hydroxide: Expecting a single package maintainer of a graphical application to test it on all of debian's architectures would be very time-consuming with the current architectures.
12:46<Hydroxide>ayaka: debian has build machines running of all of our architectures, and there are definitely DDs uploading from several different architectures, not just x86
12:46<dougmencken>anyway, it's up to maintainer of debian abiword to figure out it is gtk3+ bug, that's what abiword upstream guy told me
12:46<Hydroxide>chealer: indeed.
12:46<themill>chealer: you can stop arguing with people you're agreeing with any time you like
12:46*Hydroxide grins
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12:47<themill>dougmencken: yes. I think we covered that about 40 minutes ago. Can we move on now?
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12:47<ayaka>but the code is not same,is it,in user space,different platform has different way to io directly
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12:52<chealer>dougmencken: it's approximated that the application will work on other architectures where it builds (and if it doesn't, that this will be reported).
12:52<themill>weren't we moving on?
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13:00<dougmencken>chealer: as for my experience, successfully building != working
13:00<dougmencken>that's right for ~50% of packages
13:00<dougmencken>(I tried)
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13:01<dougmencken>the big advantage of bugzilla-like bug reporting as that not only "maintainer" get a message
13:01<ayaka>thank you
13:01<chealer>dougmencken: It's of course not an equality. as I wrote, Debian is currently doing an approximation due to the resources methodical testing would require.
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13:02<dougmencken>chealer: currently?
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13:02<themill>You must have filed a lot of bugs after that, considering there are 20k packages.
13:02<themill>10k bugs single handedly from you testing that 50% of packages don't work. That's brilliant work. Well done on all the testing.
13:03<dougmencken>themill: google for my nick, I did, but for upstream, not 20k actually ;)
13:03<themill>interesting definition of 50% then
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13:04<dougmencken>themill: I posted (I tried), that means 50% of packages I tried to build manually
13:04<chealer>dougmencken: well, it has been doing that since the buildd network was implemented. There is no plan to change that, but it could be done.
13:04<dougmencken>if they build, this doesn't mean they will work
13:04<themill>dougmencken: so keep testing. Write test suites. Do something more positive than ranting about it in #debian.
13:04<dougmencken>mmmm
13:05<dougmencken>okay, for powerpc support
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13:05<dougmencken>I would do anything I can
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13:05<dougmencken>just don't "ditch" powerpc, okay?
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13:06<dougmencken>as fedora and opensuse did
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13:09<chealer>dougmencken: This is a user support channel, this is not the place to request that something in Debian be changed, or not changed.
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13:11<dougmencken>chealer: okay, sorry
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15:25<nocturnal>general apt question but does anyone know why $(curl http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/lemote/gnewsense/dists/metad/Release.gpg | apt-key add -) gives me "gpg: found no valid OpenPGP data"? what is wrong with that key?
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15:27<dougmencken>nocturnal: ask lxo on #linux-libre @ freenode
15:27<retrospectacus>gpg != OpenPGP no?
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15:28<XayOn>retrospectacus: openpgp is a standard, gpg is an implementation of that standard.
15:28<XayOn>So yes, you could say openpgp == gnupg (gpg)
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15:28<retrospectacus>hmm ok
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15:30<uncle_rom>i say just curl the ket and examine it
15:30<uncle_rom>add it your self if it looks like correct syntax retrospectacus
15:30<retrospectacus>> nocturnal
15:30<nocturnal>oh wait I found it
15:30<uncle_rom>oh sorry
15:31<nocturnal>it was another file
15:31<nocturnal>http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/lemote/gnewsense/archive-key.asc
15:31<dougmencken>!gnewsense
15:31<dpkg>gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system based on <Ubuntu>, without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. http://www.gnewsense.org/ #gnewsense on irc.freenode.net.
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15:31<nocturnal>thanks
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15:32<uncle_rom>based on ubuntu ewww
15:32<uncle_rom>thats not going to work very well
15:33<XayOn>nocturnal: Release.gpg is a signed file used in the debian repositories
15:33<XayOn>That's it, the asc file is the key itself
15:34<XayOn>Uh didn't knew that gnewsense is based on ubuntu, what sense does that make??
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15:35<uncle_rom>bound to be overly complicated- based on ununtu based on debian based on linux?
15:36<XayOn>Not just that, I consider debian much more libre than ubuntu...
15:36<jhutchins_wk>In any case, it is off topic here.
15:36<XayOn>Yep, right
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16:06<Ramire>gays todos!
16:06<Ramire>jaja
16:06<Ramire>es bromita
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16:07<Ramire>hi
16:07<Ramire>:)
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16:07<Ramire>hoe are you?
16:07<Ganneff>!es-social
16:07<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
16:09<dougmencken>!ir-social
16:09<dougmencken>how would it be for israel?
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16:09<Ramire>:)
16:09<Ganneff>they arent yet annoying enough to have such a token
16:10<dougmencken>I know who they are :)
16:10<daemonkeeper>Probably because dougmencken /is/ the Israeli community interested in a social chat.
16:10*dougmencken is politically agnosting guy
16:10<Ganneff>i dont, but its offtopic here anyways, so goto #debian-offtopic with it please
16:11<dougmencken>why did debian choose to put /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/
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16:11<dougmencken>pkgconfig stuff into ^^^^ ?
16:11<Hydroxide>dougmencken: multiarch
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16:11<dougmencken>Hydroxide: oh?
16:11<dudley>Installing Wine is a chore.
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16:12<Hydroxide>dougmencken: it works like you'd expect but allows multiple archs to be installed without clashing filenames
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16:13<dougmencken>Hydroxide: it doesn't: # cat usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc --> Version: 2.31.17
16:13<dougmencken>Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.31.0' but version of GLib is 2.30.2
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16:13<dougmencken># pkg-config --modversion gdk-2.0 --> 2.24.9
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16:13<Hydroxide>dougmencken: yes, multiarch is just entering the archive and glib still needs to make the transition
16:13<Hydroxide>IIRC
16:14<dougmencken>Hydroxide: I need to build gdk-pixbuf now
16:14<dougmencken>Hydroxide: do you know some workaround maybe?
16:14<Hydroxide>dougmencken: add a symlink?
16:15<dudley>Does debian automatically optimize your make.conf?
16:15<dougmencken>which one? /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc to / usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc ???
16:15<dudley>Or should I do it?
16:15<Hydroxide>dougmencken: yup
16:15<Hydroxide>dudley: what's make.conf in this particular context?
16:16<dougmencken>nice, I got rid off of /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc
16:16<Hydroxide>dudley: do you mean Makefile?
16:16<dudley>What decides how many processors you use during a build
16:16<dougmencken>dudley: make -j#
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16:16<dudley>I've been compiling Wine 1.3.0 for what seems like ages.
16:16<Hydroxide>dudley: what dougmencken said. Debian doesn't do anything different in that regard than any other system with GNU make
16:16<dudley>Thanks
16:16<dougmencken>dudley: WINE can be built only on x86 machines
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16:17<dudley>I'm on x86_64, but I see people getting it to work on this arch
16:17<Hydroxide>yes, it works on x86_64 too
16:17<dougmencken>why don't I separate powerpc32 and powerpc64?
16:18<dudley>Good. 'cause daddy needs his StarCraft 2.
16:18<dougmencken>dudley: summon a virtual machine
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16:19<dudley>dougmencken, I see tutorials of StarCraft 2 working with Wine. I'd rather not have to resort to a VM.
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16:19<Hydroxide>dougmencken: in this case the most relevant thing is to refer to Debian architecture names. currently there's just one 'powerpc' architecture. there are two separate 'i386' [aka x86/IA-32] and 'amd64' [aka AMD64/EM64T/x86_64] architectures. I realize you're not happy with the powerpc situation, but please don't add that to every unrelated discussion in #debian
16:19<dougmencken>so... how to build gdk-pixbuf?
16:19<Hydroxide>dudley: you shouldn't need a VM
16:19<dudley>I spent this past weekend converting all of my machines from 7 to Squeeze and I want to keep it that way.
16:20<dougmencken>Hydroxide: nice, I know that you don't care for 64-bit usersapce
16:20<dougmencken>for non-x86
16:20<dudley>I still have four machines to go.
16:20<Hydroxide>dougmencken: it's not relevant to dudley's question. it's certainly relevant to some of yours, which is fine.
16:20<dougmencken>Hydroxide: okay
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16:21<dougmencken>still... how to build gdk-pixbuf-git master?
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16:22<Hydroxide>dougmencken: I've given you the main thought I have - if that doesn't work, I'd suggest going back to my original idea of using the cross-arch chroot
16:22<Hydroxide>dougmencken: from several days ago
16:22<dougmencken>Hydroxide: cross-arch chroot?
16:23<dougmencken>I don't have any other machine
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16:23<Hydroxide>dougmencken: you're trying to compile this for a 64-bit powerpc userland when the host OS is 32-bit powerpc, right?
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16:24<dougmencken>Hydroxide: I'm building it by default, using debian's gcc
16:24<dougmencken>I don't care much for 32-bit userland
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16:24<dougmencken>but building gcc tooks minutes on this machine
16:25<dougmencken>getting tarball is ~98% of build time
16:25<Hydroxide>building gcc took only minutes? that sounds fast ;)
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16:25<dougmencken>Hydroxide: ~20 minutes, 3-stage native build
16:25<dougmencken>bootstrap*
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16:25<Hydroxide>that sounds sane for gcc
16:26<dougmencken>I can't build gdk-pixbuf
16:27<dougmencken>./.libs/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so: undefined reference to `g_bytes_get_data'
16:27<dougmencken>^^^ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
16:28<jordanm>dougmencken: looks like that function is from glib 2.32. what version do you have?
16:28<Hydroxide>there you go. sounds like git master of gdk-pixbuf needs newer glib
16:29<Hydroxide>but, this is way off-topic for #debian
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16:29<dougmencken>jordanm: I did installed 2.31.17
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16:30<Hydroxide>i.e., using bleeding-edge versions of debian going through relevant transitions at the moment to compile even more bleeding edge versions of one library that needs a brand-new version of another library
16:30<dougmencken>but it seems like pkgconfig doesn't like it
16:30<jhutchins_wk>Perhaps it's time to take it to #debian-next?
16:30<dougmencken>okay
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16:32<jordanm>dougmencken: 2.31 is not 2.32. The documentations states that function is "since 2.32"
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16:33<dougmencken>that's from git master
16:34<jordanm>dougmencken: http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.31/glib-Byte-Arrays.html#g-bytes-get-data
16:34<jordanm>they have it in 2.31 section.. but it clearly says 2.32 for that particular function
16:35<jordanm>dougmencken: #gnome
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16:51<codemonkey1337>hey guys, I need some help installing debain for the first time
16:51<codemonkey1337>I'm at the partition manager, and i"m trying to set up an encrypted disk
16:51<codemonkey1337>I don't know where to put my mount point though, I know /boot has to be unecyped
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16:52<retrospectacus>codemonkey1337: probably /
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16:52<codemonkey1337>I have the partition I want debian installed on listed as "phsyical volume for encryption", why can't I select that as the root partition?
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16:52<codemonkey1337>what am I doing wrong?
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16:52<codemonkey1337>I want that partition encrypted AND I want it to be the root partition
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16:53<Ganneff>no. you want that encrypted, so now go and setup the ewncryption
16:53<Ganneff>the result of that you want as your /
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16:53<codemonkey1337>Ganneff: I don't understand what you are saying.
16:54<codemonkey1337>am I setting up the encryption wrong?
16:54<Ganneff>you are missing one step
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16:55<codemonkey1337>Ganneff: okay, now we are getting somewhere. What step is that
16:55<Ganneff>what you have is "disk" -> one part /boot (sda1), one part encrypted_device (sda2). now you want to have sda2 as /
16:55<kklimonda>hey, does someone have squeeze and could check if transmission-gtk (2.03-2) is able to update the blocklist?
16:55<Ganneff>wont work. somewhere in the menu it should let you have the encrypted thing, sda2_crypt or so. that you want as /
16:56<codemonkey1337>Ganneff: Yes that's correct. I'm looking under the partition settings and if I select ext4 then I can't select encrypted, if I select physical volume for encryption, then I can't select ext4
16:56<Ganneff>select the encrypted thing
16:56<codemonkey1337>okay
16:56<codemonkey1337>done
16:56<Ganneff>finish the partition and go out of it.
16:57<codemonkey1337>done
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16:57<Ganneff>that one now either has a point to "let you setup the encrypted foo" or shows you sda2 and sda2_crypt, cant remember
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16:59<codemonkey1337>Ganneff: I think I found it
16:59<codemonkey1337>thanks for your help
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17:00<Ganneff>codemonkey1337: here is more: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#partman-crypto
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17:07<jhutchins_wk>Did we ever figure things out for that guy who couldn't use his USB keyboard at the luks password stage?
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17:09<dougmencken>how to know which package does install /some/file ?
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17:11<retrospectacus>dougmencken: dpkg -S /some/file
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17:12<Ganneff>dlocate is faster :)
17:12<dougmencken>wow, nice
17:12<retrospectacus>both will only work for installed files. Otherwise you can use apt-file
17:12<dougmencken>but... removing libglib2.0-dev takes away a 95% of a system
17:12<retrospectacus>dlocate is not installed ;)
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17:14<retrospectacus>dougmencken: ... is that comment related to your question?
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17:14<dougmencken>now I'm having autotools gotchas
17:14<dougmencken>configure.ac:402: warning: macro `AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0' not found in library
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17:15<dougmencken>if I can't test upstream builds, I'm stuck with distro-provided binaries
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17:16<dougmencken>and that's against freedom 2
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17:17<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: uh... you should always be able to build the source packages for your version of Debian against your version of Debian
17:19<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: which version and which patches? who does dictate that?
17:19<dougmencken>maintainer?
17:19<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: the version we distribute
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17:20<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: why do you distribute version-x but not version-y?
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17:20<dougmencken>why patch-x but not patch-y?
17:20<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: because we distribute version x. I can't answer that question in the abstract.
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17:20<dondelelcaro>(without using a tautology)
17:20<dougmencken>heh okay
17:21<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: what is the specific package that you're trying to build? What is the specific problem you are having?
17:21<zathraz>hi. I am trying to install on Squeeze the 3.2 kernel from backports but the package fails to install due to old versions of linux-base and initramfs-tools
17:21<zathraz>there seem to be no newer versions for these?
17:21<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: I'm trying to build gdk-pixbuf
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17:22<retrospectacus>zathraz: pastebin your apt-get/aptitude command and its output please
17:22<dondelelcaro>zathraz: bpo has newer versions of initramfs-tools and linux-base, so 3.2 should be installable
17:23<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: with which source package and which version?
17:23<zathraz>I used aptitude to install and have backport main contrib non-free in my apt-sources
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17:23<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: git master
17:24<dougmencken> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdk-pixbuf
17:24<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: well, you probably don't have libglib2.0-dev installed.
17:24<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: and in any event, you should just be installing the libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 package anyway
17:25<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: I just did built glib gd240b88
17:25<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: if you don't know how to resolve problems like not having the automake rules, there's not much we can do to help you. Use the binary packages, that's why they're there.
17:26<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: then why can't you solve the bug I reported --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659658
17:26<dougmencken>I'm here to help non-x86 users to get gtk3 apps
17:27<zathraz>http://pastie.org/3383944
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17:27<dougmencken>but to test gtk+ git mastrr for upstream, I do need gtk-pixbuf
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17:27<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: so get a coredump, install the gtk anad gdk debugging symbols, and get a real backtrace.
17:27<zathraz>I do not see newer versions of these dependencies available in aptitude
17:27<retrospectacus>zathraz: not what I asked for at all
17:27<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: and you don't need to build the git master to test. Find out where the bug is first.
17:28<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: upstream guys told me to build git master stuff
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17:28<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: that's great, but you should at least figure out where the bug is first by looking at the debugging symbols
17:28<zathraz>retrospectacus, I did not issue an apt or aptitude command. I used aptitude and next selected packages with this result
17:29<dondelelcaro>zathraz: you'll have to choose a different solution than the default which installs those new versions.
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17:29<dondelelcaro>zathraz: they do exist in bpo, so it should be installable.
17:30<retrospectacus>zathraz: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
17:30<retrospectacus>is the correct command
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17:30<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: it's in XCreateGlyphCursor or gtk_widget_realize
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17:31<dougmencken>I can't dig more until I can build gtk-pixbuf
17:31<zathraz>retrospectacus, ty. that seems to work
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17:31<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: uh... that's not clear from your backtrace.
17:31<dougmencken>that was clear for abiword's upstream
17:31<norberto>lol
17:31<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; best of luck.
17:32<norberto>DEBIAN................the best
17:32<dougmencken>best of luck to x86-only guys, yes
17:33<norberto>yes
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17:33<dougmencken>just dream about the planet where's only x86 cpu architecure exists
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17:34<dondelelcaro>Uh... lots of us run other architectures. If you aren't interested in helping us help you, there's not much we can do
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17:34<zathraz>any chance that virtualbox can run on this new 3.2 kernel? The ancient virtualbox in squeeze does not seem to be too happy with it
17:34<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: can you help me?
17:35<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: I asked you to install the debugging symbols and get a real backtrace.
17:35<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: okay, that's what I can do
17:35<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: titles of packages?
17:35*dondelelcaro is going to bet that there's a null dereference somewhere in that chain
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17:36<norberto>not speak england
17:36<norberto>speak.português
17:36<dougmencken>niemand
17:37<Hydroxide>!pt
17:37<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
17:37<dougmencken>spreche deutsch
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17:37<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: libgtk-3-0-dbg libglib2.0-0-dbg, probably some others.
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17:38<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: is -dbg the key? like -dev?
17:38<dougmencken>okay
17:38<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: for every library that you see 0xf7fe9a3c in ?? () or similar in your backtrace, search for a -dbg package which matches it.
17:38<dondelelcaro>not all packages have them, but major ones do
17:38<dougmencken>so let's play it debian way, okay
17:39<norberto>como fazer isso ?
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17:39<dougmencken>jeux starteur comfous les francais
17:40<dondelelcaro>feel free to speak in other languages in their own channel, not here.
17:40<dougmencken>;)
17:40<dougmencken>that's ... how is it called in english ...
17:40<dougmencken>when one group bites other one
17:41<dougmencken>not fascism, not
17:41<dougmencken>discrimination!
17:41<norberto>aux revoir
17:42<dougmencken>vour toux
17:42<norberto>português ?
17:42<dougmencken>niemander
17:43<dougmencken>let's fight for cpu architecutes than for heimatstadten
17:43<dougmencken>;)
17:43<Hydroxide>dougmencken, norberto: warning - please stop spamming #debian with other languages. feel free to get Debian help in non-English languages in the language-specific channel.
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17:45<dougmencken># abiword
17:45<dougmencken>abiword: error while loading shared libraries: libwv-1.2.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
17:45<dougmencken>^^^^^ cool
17:46<dougmencken>that's very debian issue, that's not even a bug
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17:47<CutMeOwnThroat>if I was to bet, I would bet against that
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17:48<dougmencken>there's going to happen somewhere ... and office apps are the most importat, arent' they?
17:48<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: considering that libabiword2-2.8 is linked against libwv-1.2-3 and depends on it, you've managed to screw something up
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17:48<bahamat>/msg dpkg wheezy
17:48<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: it's apt who did
17:49<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: uh... unlikely.
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17:49<themill>dougmencken: by the time you're compiling stuff, it's not apt that broke it
17:49<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: I'm sure
17:49<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: because you'd have a broken dependency which apt would complain about every time.
17:49<dougmencken>:)
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17:49<CutMeOwnThroat>do we want to put money in a pot to bet 1:1 against him?
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17:50<dougmencken>CutMeOwnThroat: against? me?
17:50<dougmencken>uuuh
17:50<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: so you've managed to either rebuild abiword against a different libwv, or have otherwise managed to break your install
17:50<dougmencken>I fixed it already
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17:51<bael>hello guys
17:51<retrospectacus>hi bael
17:51<bael>Can I ask for some help here? :)
17:51<retrospectacus>only if it's for help with debian
17:51<bael>yes
17:51<streuner__>bael, just ask
17:51<retrospectacus>!ask
17:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:51<dougmencken>phew
17:52<dougmencken>http://pastebin.com/effkTY6M
17:52<dougmencken>better backtrace?
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17:52<dougmencken>dpkg: you haven't mentioned the most imporatnt thing
17:52<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
17:52<bael>I downloaded the latest debian, and my samba preformance is very poor.. max 3mb/s ... tried with the socket option etc.. nothing helped. I am in a gigabyte network.
17:52<dougmencken>dpkg: the CPU arch
17:52<dpkg>no idea, dougmencken
17:53<dougmencken>:)
17:53<bael>Then another thing which is really annoying. My remote desktop is not working, I have enabled it etc. But it's not possible to connect to it. I am in the same network...
17:54<dondelelcaro>bael: what are the two hosts? do you get better performance by directly transfering files using rsync or similar?
17:54<dougmencken>it's still XCreateGlyphCursor, isn't it?
17:54<bael>dondelelcaro, I have not tried rsync or similar. both computers are connected to the same router.
17:55<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: not clear; install the rest of the dbg packages, like libx11-6-dbg and libglib-2.0-dbg
17:55<dougmencken>E: Unable to locate package libglib-2.0-dbg
17:55<dougmencken>E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libglib-2.0-dbg'
17:55<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: then load the backtrace in gdb and use bt full to actually see the contents of the stack frames.
17:56<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: and if you want further help, stop trolling about architectures. Otherwise I will silence you.
17:56<norberto>oi
17:56<dougmencken>dondelelcaro: then just answer to bug, ask me for more info, and so on
17:56<dondelelcaro>bael: yeah, the first step is to just rule out the network being an issue.
17:56<norberto>oi
17:57<dondelelcaro>dougmencken: uh... I did. install the rest of the -dbg packages.
17:57<themill>dougmencken: there's no need to ask you for more information in the bug -- we've asked you here.
17:57<dougmencken>themill: does IRC count?
17:57<dougmencken>okay okay
17:58<dougmencken>debian is like a wife, you are supposed to love her
17:58<dougmencken>you have no other way
17:58<bael>dondelelcaro, no it's not the network. I get speed over 200mb from the net.. I've changed the router and the network card. I've seen this issue before on my old server ten years ago. Exacally the same performance issue with Samba. Never figered out what it is :(
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17:59<bael>dondelelcaro, have tried from a ubuntu machine and a windows machine both wlan and lan. same thing!!
18:00<dondelelcaro>bael: how are you mounting the filesystems? do you get the same speed if you mount the samba share on the samba server?
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18:01<bael>dondelelcaro, I have one big lvm partition. One disk.. Have not tried that.
18:01<bael>dondelelcaro, I really don't think its something with the network, what might it be? same thing with two routers..
18:02<bael>dondelelcaro, I can try mounting it, just to rule it out then
18:03<dondelelcaro>bael: yeah, it's probably not the network, but it's best to rule out that as a problem. NFS and to a lesser extent, samba, are notorious for having throughput problems with even moderate packet loss
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18:04<streuner__>dondelelcaro: you should ask him what he smoked today before +q, thats prolly interesting :-)
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18:05<waldir>boa noite pessoal
18:05<bael>dondelelcaro, Can it be something that I run LVM? :) I did that ten years ago aswell heh..
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18:06<waldir>good night
18:07<retrospectacus>good evening waldir
18:07<dondelelcaro>bael: nah
18:07<dondelelcaro>bael: well, it's possible, but that's really why you should use rsync or similar to test
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18:08<retrospectacus>you can test disk/FS read performance like: pv -r < /some/large/file/on/disk > /dev/null
18:09<retrospectacus>(apt-get install pv)
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18:10<bael>dondelelcaro, I went to the local server, mounted the samba.. transfered a file and its going up to 12mb/s insted of 3mb/s... but this is local? and its still slow. shouldnt it run faster? :)
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18:10<dondelelcaro>bael: well, 12M/s isn't all that unusual depending on disk
18:11<retrospectacus>then you can test network performance with bing or any number of other tools
18:11<bael>dondelelcaro, I will download rsync now
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18:12<bael>dondelelcaro, one fast question, do you know why I cannot connect to the server using rdesktop? I have enabled it etc. but I get ERROR: 192.168.1.2: unable to connect
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18:14<dondelelcaro>bael: do you mean rdesktop to the Debian server? I've actually never used rdesktop to connect to a machine running Debian
18:14<retrospectacus>remote desktop is a windows thing.... linux has much better ways to do things remotely
18:14<bael>like? :)
18:14<dondelelcaro>bael: like ssh
18:15<retrospectacus>ssh
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18:15<bael>yeah of course but I want to use my torrent app sometimes.. thats why =)
18:15<dondelelcaro>bael: rtorrent works
18:15<dondelelcaro>bael: or alternatively, you can use X tunneling over ssh.
18:16<retrospectacus>ssh -X remote and run it
18:16<dondelelcaro>(assuming you're running Debian locally)
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18:16<diegocabral>Algum brasileiro online?
18:16<retrospectacus>!br
18:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:18<bael>retrospectacus, I got dev/null no such file ..
18:19<retrospectacus>it's /dev/null and it should definitely be there
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18:21<bael>retrospectacus, [41.2MB/s]
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18:23<retrospectacus>good
18:23<administrator>hi, is it possible to connect to this server using tor or i2p proxy?
18:24<bael>retrospectacus, It just has to be my samba configuration right? :/
18:24<retrospectacus>configuration, or maybe samba just sucks :P did you try the rsync?
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18:25<bael>retrospectacus, does it work as samba?
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18:26<bael>retrospectacus, this one: p rsync - fast remote file copy program (like rcp) ??
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18:26<retrospectacus>bael: what are you asking me?
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18:28<bael>retrospectacus, nv, just a sec I'll try it.
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18:33<retrospectacus>test like: rsync -v /some/large/file remote.machine:/some/path
18:34<retrospectacus>this will use ssh
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18:42<bael>retrospectacus, got some error while intalling rsync, may I pm it?
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18:46<bael>retrospectacus, still here? :)
18:47<retrospectacus>yeap I was on the phone
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19:18<bael>it's not possible to unrar above RAR 2.0 in linux? :)
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19:20<panko>Can't handle some archives in the RAR 3.0 format, only the non-free "unrar" package can do that. <= unrar-free
19:20<retrospectacus>yep you need unrar-nonfree
19:21<bael>I have it
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19:21<bael>not working..
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19:21<bael>unknown archive type, only plain RAR 2.0 supported
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19:21<retrospectacus>what says "dpkg -l|grep unrar" bael
19:21<bael>unrar-free -x s7-warrior1080-repack.rar
19:21<bael>sec
19:22<retrospectacus>unrar-free is *clearly* not unrar-nonfree ...
19:22<bael>unrar-free 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 Unarchiver for .rar files
19:22<bael>lol
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19:23<bael>same thing when I use just unrar.
19:24<bael>unrar 0.0.1 Copyright (C) 2004 Ben Asselstine, Jeroen Dekkers
19:24<bael>this is old... :)
19:24<retrospectacus>that's the free one, again
19:24<retrospectacus>!unrar
19:24<dpkg>Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). See also <unar>. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html
19:25<ml|>check the alternative system if you have both install
19:25<bael>isnt there an alternative? that can handle RAR3...? :)
19:26<retrospectacus>16:20 < retrospectacus> yep you need unrar-nonfree
19:26<retrospectacus>bael: enable non-free, then install "unrar"
19:26<XManning>exit
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19:27<ml|>update-alternatives --config unrar if you going to have both installed
19:27<ml|>'update-alternatives --config unrar'
19:28<bael>There is only one alternative in link group unrar: /usr/bin/unrar-free
19:29<retrospectacus>did you install unrar?
19:29<retrospectacus>the non-free one
19:29<bael>sudo aptitude install unrar
19:29<bael>No candidate version found for unrar
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19:29<retrospectacus>bael: you don't have non-free enabled
19:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 467] by debhelper
19:30<ml|>aptitude update first and ^^
19:30<bael>enable non-free
19:30<bael>-bash: enable: non-free: not a shell builtin
19:30<bael>k
19:30<retrospectacus>!tell bael about non-free sources
19:30<retrospectacus>bael: read what dpkg just told you in another window
19:31<ml|>was just about to retrospectacus :)
19:31<retrospectacus>I've had a lot of coffee today, I can type pretty fast ;)
19:32<ml|>hehe
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19:34<bael>ok sec :)
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19:37<bael>UNRAR 3.93 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2010 Alexander Roshal
19:37<bael>s7-warrior.rar is not RAR archive
19:37<bael>:(
19:38<bael>* 0 /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree 40 auto mode
19:38<bael> 1 /usr/bin/unrar-free 30 manual mode
19:38<bael> 2 /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree 40 manual mode
19:38<bael>any idea?
19:38<retrospectacus>bael: well what does "file" say about that rar file? "file s7-warrior.rar"
19:39<daemonkeeper>that's an alternatives(5) outout.
19:39<daemonkeeper>*output
19:39<ml|>bael: for more than a couple pastes use a pastebin please /msg dpkg pastebin
19:40<daemonkeeper>err update-alternatives(8)
19:40<bael>s7-warrior.rar: data
19:40<bael>just that
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19:40<ml|>perhaps that .rar file is damaged?
19:40<retrospectacus>probably
19:41<bael>hm might be... let me try with anothe one
19:41<retrospectacus>I have a rar file, it says RAR archive data, v1d, os: Win32
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19:41<bael>yupp
19:41<bael>works fine with another one
19:42<bael>thanks
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19:43<bael>retrospectacus, do you thing that I can get above 5mb/s with rsync/ssh...? :)
19:43<ml|>locally yes
19:43<retrospectacus>maybe, try it!
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19:44<ml|>I usually get ~18MB/s ; with scp ~30MB/s locally
19:45<ml|>both using ssh
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19:48<retrospectacus>I get about 11MB/s on the local network here
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19:49<retrospectacus>standard 100Mbps link speed methinks
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19:57<bael>What might it be? Why is it so slow for me?? :(
19:57<bael>What might it be? Why is it so slow for me?? :(
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20:04<maggo>moin
20:04<retrospectacus>manana
20:04<maggo>badibidibi
20:05<retrospectacus>maggo: welcome to #debian. What is your debian support question?
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20:15<ml|>bael: using rsync/ssh on your LAN? if so, you are probably using 100MBit connection
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20:16<maggo>nix mehr los hier
20:16<daemonkeeper>-ELANG
20:16<maggo>ooohh
20:16<maggo>da meldet sich einer
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20:16<daemonkeeper>maggo: Go to sleep. It's late in Germany.
20:17<maggo>und weiter
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20:18<daemonkeeper>nix weiter, please note this is a support channel where we ask you to write English. Please respect both of these requirements.
20:18<maggo>my english is not so good my german is better
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20:19<daemonkeeper>Given you have a support question, there is #debian.de
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20:24<ml|>why can't unrar use -foo foo, I always forget :)
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20:26<ml|>s/-foo foo/-foo instead of foo/ :)
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20:44<nsadmin>ml|, so my personal answer that I just came up with right now..
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20:44<nsadmin>(that guy is so creative...)
20:44<nsadmin>I dunno!
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20:44<ml|>heh
20:45<khalid>hola amigos
20:46<ml|>dpkg: tell khalid -about es
20:46<nsadmin>probably the person who does know is the author
20:46<ml|>yeah, just seems silly is all
20:46<khalid>#ubuntu-es
20:47<khalid>no entra por que
20:47<ml|>khalid: /join #ubuntu-es
20:47<nsadmin>what are all the kinds of things that can appear as the very first thing after "unrar"?
20:48<ml|>khalid: en freenode not in this network[oftc]
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20:48<nsadmin>well your choice, either #debian-es o #ubuntu-es
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21:01<nsadmin>(but, both channels say: we won't handle traffic on other dists, if you're on #ubuntu you
21:01<nsadmin>are asking about ubuntu, not debian or anything else
21:01<nsadmin>and (obligatory on-topic comment) vise versa
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22:47<onryo>Is there a FOSS firmware to avoid. I will only use the Debian main repo. If not I would prefer to live with out a network card. This is what I see Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169
22:48<onryo>to use. I avoid non foss
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22:53<onryo>Sadly the upgrade to Linux 2.3 did not fix the issue. On a little Aspire one atm. Realtek chips are starting to annoy the heck out of me
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22:54<ergalvao>Guys, I'm using Debian Squeeze with KDE and I can't find the KDE Partition Manager via apt-cache search. Any ideas?
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22:57<ergalvao>ah, solved in #debian-kde
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