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---Logopened Wed Feb 15 00:00:53 2012
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00:04<aussa>HI, how do I know what jre I have currently installed?
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00:09<kilelme>aussa: apt-cache policy jre
00:10<aussa>ty
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00:36<codemonkey1337>hey guys, it's me again
00:36<codemonkey1337>I'm still having trouble with my debian system
00:36<codemonkey1337>I installed the nivida diver from the nonfree repos, and used nividia-xconfig, but I'm stuck at a blank screen when I try and login
00:36<codemonkey1337>I blacklised noveau
00:36<codemonkey1337>still no luck
00:36<codemonkey1337>any ideas?
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01:10<kamiro>Hello
01:12<kamiro>how are you?
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01:31<mumbles>hi im here and im such a n00b can you please direct me to a channel for people like me
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01:32<bluewater>hmm well you should not be a noob all your life, so you may as well stay here,, heh
01:33<mumbles>i appreciate that
01:34<bluewater>we were all noobs once, and I still am ,, grins
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01:36<mumbles>alright i have a couple questions
01:36<aussa>Hi, I know this is stupid, when I first downloaded a .pdf using iceweasel I set it to "always" do that with that type of file, but now I want to have the choice to open or download... how do I do that?
01:37<mumbles>i love the whole idea about linux and the freedom it brings but learning more about it has been a struggle
01:37<mumbles>can you suggest to me some things i need to do to become a guru and im not talking GUI
01:37<bluewater>go into preferences of iceweasel, >Content,, and mark you prefered option
01:38<jm_>aussa: try finding it in edit -> preferences -> applications
01:38<bluewater>s/you/your
01:38<jm_>!tell mumbles -about grounding
01:39<mumbles>whats grounding ?
01:39<jm_>mumbles: you got a message with more things to ask dpkg the bot - this will give you some material for reading
01:39<bluewater>akk yes .applications
01:39<aussa>jm_, as I said, so stupid, ty, have a great night
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01:48<rjsalts>Is there a change in IRQ handling between 2.6.26 and 2.6.32?
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01:50<rjsalts>I'm seeing performance issues on a server because all the IRQs are being handled by CPU0, and if I do set smp_affinity to something it will only go to the lowest cpu assuming I put in a value that isn't a power of two
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02:25<lp>what does apt-get do with locally compiled packages (from debian sources, via apt-get source, with my own changes) - will they get upgraded when debian gets a new version? or does it say anything, so i can compile the newer version locally?
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02:26<lp>i'm using dch —local +lp to keep "almost" the same package version as debian
02:26<rjsalts>lp: it'll upgrade the package from the debian repos if it's a higher version
02:27<lp>rjsalts: thanks
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02:28<rjsalts>lp: but you can mess with what it'll do with pinning a bit
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02:28<lp>rjsalts: but if i do pinning, it won't tell me annymore that there's a new version
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02:29<rjsalts>lp: apt-cache policy <pkgname> will tell you what it does in depth for a given package
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02:29<rjsalts>lp: and you can use the -t stuff to dynamically alter policy for a specific invocation of apt
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02:30<lp>rjsalts: i know, i was looking for some automatic notification
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02:31<lp>rjsalts: i'm recompiling a few server packages like nginx with source hardening in squeeze, and i'd like not to miss any updates and recompile as soon as possible after debbian changes something
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02:32<rjsalts>lp: you might like to look at nagios-plugins-basic check_apt
02:32<lp>rjsalts: -t like with backports?
02:32<rjsalts>lp: aye
02:33<lp>rjsalts: does this work with a local .deb? i don't have my own apt-gettable repo, just a .deb to install via dpkg
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02:33<rjsalts>lp: well if you put the priority of installed packages high enough with pinning then it'll never upgrade
02:34<rjsalts>lp: but you can do apt-get -t stable ... and it'll install
02:34<jm_>lp: maybe this can help http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/debian-updates/
02:34<rjsalts>lp: although a local apt repo isn't that hard to get going and will probably make things easier
02:35<lp>rjsalts: what i want is to both not upgrade and some sort of hint that a newer version of package x is available (only for the locally installed packages)
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02:35<jm_>perhaps apticron will also work
02:35<lp>rjsalts: i already use cron-apt
02:36<lp>jm_: thanks - can apticron do more than cron-apt? i shy away from aptitude for command-line upgrades, as recommended by squeeze release notes
02:36<rjsalts>lp: you might have to resort to writing your own script in the worst case
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02:38<lp>jm_: debian-updates sounds great, i'll give it a try
02:38<lp>jm_, rjsalts: thanks a lot :)
02:39<jm_>lp: to be honest, I don't know - just read its description and it somewhat matches what you need
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03:39<tone>Does anybody know how to make the output in xterm coo with colors, apt autofill, etc?
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03:39<jm_>what is "xterm coo"?
03:39<tone>xterm, but cool.
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03:40<jm_>that's up to each application, then there are tools which can colourize the text
03:40<tone>well i mean like other distros, linumint for example
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03:41<Deltatash>Hi I was wondering if anyone could give me a hand, i have added "deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian import" to my sources.list and then I run apt-get install firefox, now everything went smoothly problem is Firefox has installed in german or something, I need English and I cant seem to be able to change the language any idea why it did not install the English version? I thought it would look at my systems defualt langugae during install a
03:41<Deltatash>nd use that, any ideas please I am stuck ? :(
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03:42<Deltatash>is there something I can add to apt-get install firefox? to force it to install in UK English?
03:43<jm_>!mint
03:43<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
03:43<jm_>Deltatash ^^^^^
03:43<Deltatash>I know this is an import though from "LMDE" > "Linux mint debian" they are compatible with eachother
03:43<jm_>irrelevant, it's still not supported here
03:43<Deltatash>I read a lot of sites that said its safe to add this
03:44<Deltatash>so even if you know the answer whether there is something to add to my command to install english you wont help me becuase it isnt supported here ? :/ Because I will probably get the same answer at linux mint irc saying they arent supporting debian I am stuck in the middle
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03:47<Deltatash>is there atleast not an "off-topic" debian channel ? Maybe I can ask there
03:47<bluewater>its called iceweasel in debian ( firefox is the upstream) so cmd line is apt-get install iceweasel
03:47<jm_>i don't know the anwser, i have no idea what firefox package from mint does, and why exactly are you using it?
03:47<Deltatash>ok
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03:48<Deltatash>because I prefer it, using the source I added I have a later version of firefox installed that supports more plugins etc iceweasel might be pretty much the same but it does not feel identical with some settings etc I just prefer to use the real thing
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03:49<jm_>there's version 10 available for debian too
03:50<jm_>!mdn
03:50<dpkg>Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>.
03:52<Deltatash>ok, thanks anyway
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04:07<Deltatash>if no one can help me here because my question "it isnt supported" can someone atleast point me in the right direction if they know where else I can find my answer? I have been looking online for ages...nothing
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04:11<Deltatash>when installing with apt-get install (program name)" is there an extra command I can add to force a program to install in the language/locale I want?
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04:14<jm_>locale used is typically determined via locale related environment vars, for iceweasel in debian there are packages like iceweasel-l10n-foo
04:16<Deltatash>so there is no command to use in command line to choose to install software with the language f your choice?
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04:17<komandan>halo
04:17<Deltatash>I tried adding "setlocale en_GB" to my command but didnt work lol
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04:17<komandan>i confusing with my ubuntu
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04:18<retro|blah>!ubuntu
04:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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04:19<Deltatash>I guess there is no such command? I can not find anything like it on the internet either, only a command to change system language which I do not need :s
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04:23<Tiggr1970>I'm having serious problems with keepalived after an upgrade to 6, anyone else using keepalived ?
04:23<tone>Deltatash, i'm not an expert, but have you tried removing the program with --purge, then reinstalling?
04:24<Deltatash>yup it installs in wrong language each time it is something I have added to my sources.list so It will be updated automatic for me makes it easier
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05:08<EmleyMoor>I have one MS Outlook user accessing his mailbox on my system by POP3 - I want to change him over to imap - is it simply a matter of changing Outlook's settings? I already serve imap from my Debian system
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05:24<juvelu_>hi all
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05:28<simonlnu>EmleyMoor: probably. i don't see why not
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06:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor: outlook imap behaviour used to be broken
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06:09<b4h4>hello there
06:09<DebianUser>Hi, just a question
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06:10<DebianUser>I used a command shell called metasend to send email with attached in mime format
06:11<DebianUser>This command was included in metamail, but now it isn't present
06:11<DebianUser>What command I can use?
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06:11<jm_>mutt can send mail with attachments
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06:13<b4h4>how can I erase item whith totem when nautilus ask me which app open file with
06:13<DebianUser>thanks I looked for mutt, but with mutt I don't set from filed for example..
06:14<jm_>that can be set in .muttrc AFAIR
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06:15<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to combine several bootable iso images onto one USB stick? Any grub config that will boot them as they were originally?
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06:16<jm_>EmleyMoor: this has some details http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2011/01/07/booting-iso-images-from-within-grub2/ (also note the Loopback.cfg webpage in the supergrubdisk wiki. link)
06:16<DebianUser>Ok I will look for that, thanks. Howhever for send mime-attach I must set the option -a?It's correct?
06:16<jm_>yeah -a
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06:20<b4h4>like this http://imglink.ru/show-image.php?id=ccede3f7c8676592b40c428b305d9504
06:22<guanerpao>who ip
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06:23<EmleyMoor>jm: can't work out entries for what I want to boot
06:24<jm_>EmleyMoor: loopback.cfg is supposed to make that easy
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06:25<EmleyMoor>The need for its existence appears to totally break at least one
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06:27<EmleyMoor>In at least one case it is not a kernel or equivalent that needs booting
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06:29<jm_>but?
06:29<willemb>hi. debian does something weird-ish with fcgi php and suexec, not deleing session files. ring bells for anyone?
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06:31<EmleyMoor>jm_: I can't see what but the bootloader on that particular iso would be useful
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06:36<jm_>EmleyMoor: how about this then https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chainload_El-Torito_ISO ?
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06:49<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks promising - if only it were a bit more howto
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06:53<sila>lkj
06:54<themill>sila: yes, both cat and keyboard appear to be working
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06:55<EmleyMoor>Is there an equivalent of PawSense for Linux?
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07:15<iran>whois
07:15<iran>whois iran
07:15<iran>whois adi
07:16*nex_necis iran is your name
07:17<iran>sim / yes
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08:01<disposable>i have a couple of Woodies running as my mail servers. has anybody been successful dist-upgrading 3.0 to current oldstable? (skipping 4.0)
08:01<themill>that's very very unlikely to work
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08:02<themill>(you're not just skipping etch there, you're also skipping sarge and lenny. I doubt you'd be able to come up with a combination of kernel and libc that is happy)
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08:03<disposable>themill: lenny is the oldstable i want to upgrade to
08:03<themill>actually, lenny is no longer oldstable -- it doesn't receive security support any more either
08:04<simonlnu>yes, and do it properly
08:04<dom_>hello,everyone,who can help me?
08:04<simonlnu>dom_: if you tell us first, we can know what you want help with
08:04<simonlnu>!meta-ask
08:04<simonlnu>!meta questions
08:05<dom_>i just want to install Mac on the qemu
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08:05<dom_>but i do not know what to do
08:06<simonlnu>they tutorials you can follow
08:06<disposable>themill: i'll wait a few more years until i have time to do a reinstall... even apt-get update gives me E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
08:06<simonlnu>!dynamic mmap
08:06<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need.
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08:08<themill>disposable: you'd need to do the step-wise upgrades and be very careful of the kernel from sarge to etch. Read each release's release notes for how to upgrade. Frankly, reinstalling would be less work.
08:09<disposable>themill: it's a vserver, so kernel is not an issue. it's already on 2.6.17 (yes, these are OLD machines)
08:09<simonlnu>yeh it would. image it, reinstall, mass diff configs ;p
08:09<dom_>thanks a lot
08:09<themill>disposable: I'd be very surprised if you're running woody on a 2.6 kernel
08:11<simonlnu>dom_: erm, they have tutorials*. check their web site
08:11<disposable>themill: as i said, it's a linux-vserver.
08:11<dom_>ok ,thank you
08:12<dom_>simonlnu ,thank you ,i will follow it
08:12<themill>disposable: umm... your libc is what I'm thinking about here, that's not dependent on your virtualisation. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg perl apt" for me?
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08:12<stringtheory>hello
08:13<disposable>themill: Segmentation fault :)
08:13<themill>ha
08:13<stringtheory>I've just installed Debian Squeeze and, for some weird reason, the applications for setting keyboard shortcuts, keyboard layout and mouse settings are missing
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08:13<stringtheory>anyone got ideas on how to correct this?
08:14<stringtheory>I'm using standard debian squeeze gnome
08:14<kilelme>stringtheory: what kind your hardware? laptop or pc?
08:14<stringtheory>pc
08:14<stringtheory>I've installed debian before, never had this problem.
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08:15<nsadmin>find the package where those things are in, then install those packages
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08:16<kilelme>stringtheory: just the application?if that.. you can install the package about keyboard shorcut
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08:17<stringtheory>I think there's something seriously wrong with my install
08:17<stringtheory>I just had a look through the various menus and they've grown smaller - a lot of applications that were visible earlier, are not there any more.
08:18<kilelme>stringtheory: squeeze it's like that.. umm.. for further information you can check the release notes about squeeze
08:19<stringtheory>kilelme, I have squeeze on another desktop too, but this is weird. I have only 2 items under Applications>Accessories
08:19<jm_>did you try logging in as a different user?
08:20<stringtheory>only 6 items under System>Preferences
08:20<stringtheory>jm_, no I only setup the one account.
08:21<kilelme>stringtheory: the squeeze you have in other desktop it's the fresh install or upgrade from lenny?
08:21<stringtheory>I only have 4 options under System>Administration: Login Screen, Printing, Software Sources, Synaptic Packet Manager
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08:22<stringtheory>kilelme, it's a fresh install - this same disc - I downloaded it only a few months back.
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08:22<disposable>themill: how do i reliably determine what version of debian i'm running? /etc/debian_version says 3.0 but i can clearly see python2.3.3 on the machine, which i don't think was around back then.
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08:22<stringtheory>I think I have installed a very reduced package, but I can't recall when I messed with the options.
08:23<stringtheory>that's the only answer I can think of
08:23<themill>disposable: does "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg perl apt" also segfault?
08:24<jm_>stringtheory: try "/msg dpkg install gnome" and see if all is installed
08:25<disposable>themill: thanks, libc6 is 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4
08:25<themill>disposable: and the others?
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08:26<disposable>themill: http://pastebin.com/gu86erZj
08:26<stringtheory>jm_, thanks! it seems I installed a reduced version of gnome
08:26<stringtheory>probably "gnome-core"
08:26<stringtheory>I must have selected some speedy install settings.
08:26<jm_>well that's easy to change then
08:27<stringtheory>thanks kilelme for your assistance too
08:27<stringtheory>hopefully, this works.
08:27<kilelme>stringtheory: you are welcome :D
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08:27<stringtheory>:)
08:28<themill>disposable: so that looks like an interesting mix of woody and sarge. It's still likely to be easier to reinstall that sucker given that you've now got apt segfaulting on you
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08:30<stringtheory>I have another, more trivial, query. I know that under ubuntu, you can install nvidia drivers to optimise the graphics card, I think I read somewhere once, that there are similar drivers available for debian. Is this true and would there be any real advantage in installing them, seeing as debian doesn't do anything as heavy as unity?
08:30<disposable>themill: i think i'll leave it as it is for now. our subversion servers are still on potato i think. if it ain't broke we really don't fix around here.
08:31<stringtheory>excellent, keyboard is back!
08:31<stringtheory>thanks again :)
08:31<jm_>stringtheory: if nothing else the card will run cooler due to power savings the driver supports
08:31<themill>disposable: that's an interesting approach to security... I'd say that those machines are most definitely broken right now.
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08:31<jm_>stringtheory: see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
08:31<stringtheory>jm_, oh hadn't thought of that. ok, sounds like a good reason to install it then.
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08:35<disposable>themill: well, i wouldn't worry. these mailservers only do relaying and subversion servers are for internal use only. our internet facing servers are all uptodate squeeze or ubuntu10.04.
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08:37<stringtheory>wow, looks like there's a good chance of me mucking up the install of nvidia drivers... the wiki keeps referring to vague difficulties between X and the non-free drivers.
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08:37<stringtheory>I'll bookmark it for when I'm more comfortable with debian.
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08:37<jm_>it's really much easier than you imagine
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08:38<themill>that wiki page is intentionally written to confuse as many people a possible :(
08:38<stringtheory>lol
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08:38<stringtheory>that's the impression I got, but I figured it was mostly because I'm ignorant of linux's inner workings
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08:40<stringtheory>jm_, I guess so, it all looks a lot more complicated the first time.
08:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 512] by debhelper
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08:40<disposable>themill: besides, having woodies with uptimes over 5 years around has a certain sentimental value
08:41<stringtheory>ok, I think I'm gonna do some work now.
08:41<themill>maintainable and secure > uptime.
08:41<stringtheory>thanks and cya
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08:47<semko>,versions kde
08:47<judd>Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66
08:48<semko>,versions deluge
08:48<judd>Package: deluge on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; sid: 1.3.3-2; wheezy: 1.3.3-2
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09:16<ayaka>what is different between cluster and load balance
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09:30<blawiz>when running cmus, i get: 'getnodeadd: Can not open /etc/decnet.conf' how can help me?
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09:31<unixabg>ayaka: I think load balance is jobs are passed in series like server1, next call goes to server2
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09:32<unixabg>where as cluster is more like pass job to cluser1=(server1+server2) perform task.
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09:35<ayaka>I see,btw does serve1(manage node) will transport all the data like a proxy
09:36<unixabg>ayaka: I do not know.
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09:36<ayaka>unixabg thank you
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09:37<ayaka>i should format my sdcard in ext2 or 4 or the other formats?
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09:48<Quark___>ring0: http://linux.die.net/man/8/shutdown <- better explanation
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09:52<ring0>Quark___, thanks for the link. i figure in most cases, if using option -h the system decides to just poweroff instead of halting. so shouldn't make any difference, if i use -h or -P :)
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10:58<nolan1447>Hi. Quick question.. Is it possible to install 64bit debian with the 32bit netinst businesscard image?
10:58<__Alex_>I dobut
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10:59<nolan1447>You can select which kernel to install
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10:59<engla>right that would be a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland
11:00<nolan1447>I figured..
11:00<nolan1447>Had hoped it would save me having multiple discs
11:00<__Alex_>But you can only select the version of the Kernel that the CD is. I don't think it gives you the option to install the amd64 kernel
11:01<__Alex_>(By version, i ment Architecture)
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11:01<__Alex_>(i486 and i686 are the same thing, with i686 having some more features))
11:02<nolan1447>Ok. Well thanks for your replies. Have a nice day.
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11:02<babilen>nolan1447: We have installers that can install both amd64 and i386 (multi-arch) -- See http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable (not netinst though)
11:02<babilen>*sigh*
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11:16<Zathras>Hi, is the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=159088 (logrotate.d does not folllow symlinks) also true for 2.6 kernels?
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11:17<Zathras>I have the feeling it is. At least the size parameter is ignored in my setup
11:19<zykotick9>babilen: perhaps i don't understand what you mean, but the main download link off of debian.org is to a 32&64bit netinstall?
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11:21<Zathras>zykotick9, correct
11:22<Zathras>that is the link at the top right hand corner of www.debian.org
11:23<winsen>hi
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11:23<blast007>zykotick9: the 'multi-arch' one listed there has both
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11:24<winsen>does anyone know on wich smartphone can I install linux distribution? thanks for answer
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11:26<zykotick9>Zathras: blast007 ya, i was reacting to babilen's comment re: 11:02 "... (not netinst though)" (i suspect i must be missing something)
11:26<babilen>zykotick9: You are absolutely right! I've fooled myself when I searched for multi-arch on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/, but they are naturally available on the CD mirrors.
11:26<blast007>yeah, I'm not sure about that myself, zykotick9. There does seem to be a netinst listed under the multi-arch CD ISOs
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11:27*babilen is always confused when he searches for download links on debian.org as there are just too many pages that link to images with subtle differences.
11:27<blast007>:)
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11:27<simonlnu>winsen: have you tried "linux smartphone" in your favourite search engine?
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11:55<winsen>simonlnu: Yes I did but unfortunetly no further details or tutorial ,
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11:55<simonlnu>*nods*
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11:55<winsen>anyway I thank you, I've to go
11:56<winsen>good continuation
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12:01<i_like_penguins>Hi all, I am trying to update gcc from stable to testing, but I am getting some dependency breakage. Suggestions?
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12:01<newbie|2>hey guys
12:01<newbie|2>I'm having somewhat of a problem with x11vnc.
12:02<newbie|2>I'm trying to tunnel into a x11vnc session, and I can with a linux machine using ssh. But when I use putty, I can't get the tunnel to work
12:03<newbie|2>I've tried using different source and destintion ports...right now I'm trying to link the source port 5933 with the destinatiion ip/port localhost:5900
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12:03<i_like_penguins>newbie|2, what is your screen number?
12:03<Zathras>newbie|2, have you enabled X11 forwarding in putty?
12:03<newbie|2>um...I have no idea
12:03<i_like_penguins>you may need to use 5901 as your destination port
12:03<newbie|2>my screen number is :0
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12:04<Zathras>newbie|2, it's off by default
12:05<chealer>!tell i_like_penguins about bat
12:05<newbie|2>well I turned it on, and I still keep getting the connection closed mesage
12:05<Zathras>you need to restart the session after you turned it on
12:06<Zathras>no firewall playing around?
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12:09<i_like_penguins>chealer, http://pastebin.com/N7gFtseT
12:09<newbie|2>well I changed the destination port on putty, and it didn't work. and there isn't a firewall, this works fine in linux
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12:11<themill>i_like_penguins: this is apt's way of telling you "don't do that"
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12:12<retrospectacus>i_like_penguins: stable and testing don't mix well
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12:13<Zathras>newbie|2, I think this is not really a debian issue, but: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html#faq-ssh-putty
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12:13<chealer>i_like_penguins: why do you want to update gcc?
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12:14<newbie|2>Zathras: oh, darn. I guess that means you guys can't help me then. Is there another place I can go for help. I've already been following the article you linked
12:14<i_like_penguins>chealer, some software i am playing with needs newer gcc. also, i would like libssl1.0.0 so i can get aircrack-ng loaded
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12:14<chealer>i_like_penguins: really? which?
12:14<retrospectacus>newbie|2: #networking on irc.freenode.net
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12:15<Zathras>if it works under linux you have proven it works serversided. So the problem is client oriented. Putty is a SSH client for Windows. So you need a forum or mailinglist or something. I would start at the putty homepage to check for support if the link I provided above is not sufficient
12:15<Zathras>or use your favorite searchengine of course
12:17<XayOn>Zathras: In fact, putty is packaged in debian.
12:18<Zathras>yes, so you could test it under debian and see if putty's config is bothering you
12:19<Zathras>but usually putty is used from a win client to connect to debian. Sorry for my assumption
12:19<i_like_penguins>chealer, cjdns seems to need 4.4.6
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12:19<Zathras>in the meantime :P : any thoughts on logrotate not following symlinks on a Squeeze amd64 stock kernel?
12:20<jhutchins_wk>newbie|2: This sounds like what happens when the two systems choose different authentication/encryption methods and they don't match.
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12:20<jhutchins_wk>newbie|2: Why are you tunneling vnc over ssh instead of connecting directly?
12:20<Zathras>a bug was filed for 2.4 kernels but I fear the same is true for 2.6 kernels
12:20<kop>jhutchins_wk: Last I paid attention vnc was not encrypted. Has this changed?
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12:21<kop>msg dpkg ask
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12:22<chealer>i_like_penguins: where do you see that this version may be needed?
12:22<i_like_penguins>scrollback of irc chat logs
12:22<jhutchins_wk>kop: Depends on the package used, but the VNC I've worked with has all been encrypted.
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12:22<kop>jhutchins_wk: I suppose I'll have to pay attention. Again. ;-)
12:23<jhutchins_wk>kop: I was thinking specifically of the vnc server for osx which works with realvnc but not tightvnc (iirc).
12:23<i_like_penguins>chealer, also, i need libssl1.0.0 for aircrack-ng
12:23<kop>!tell i_like_penguins about ssb
12:23<Aleric>hikaru:/var/log>ls -l Xorg.*.log* | wc --lines
12:23<Aleric>1108
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12:23<Aleric>Hmmmm
12:23<chealer>i_like_penguins: well, libssl1.0.0 must not need gcc 4.4.6
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12:24<i_like_penguins>chealer, no, two separate things
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12:25<chealer>i_like_penguins: yes, I doubt you need 4.4.6. try 4.4.5
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12:26<newbie|2>I got it working guys
12:26<newbie|2>the problem was I was loging in as the wrong use in putty!
12:26<newbie|2>but nothing told me that I was requried to do that, but I still feel stupid
12:26<newbie|2>thanks for the help though
12:26<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate newbie|2
12:26<dpkg>Woohoo newbie|2, you did it!
12:27<retrospectacus>you gotta be the user who owns the display to share!
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12:29<XayOn>And, in fact, chealer you're wrong, debian testing installs gcc4.6 when you install libssl1.0.0 (as a dep for libgcc4.6)
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12:32<chealer>XayOn: it doesn't install GCC 4.6, it installs gcc-4.6-base
12:32<XayOn>Oh, yeah, right.
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12:34<newbie|2>guys, I have another question for you. How do I get lib32asound2 1.0.25 or above on debian squeeze? I need it to install wine1.4 and even the one in the experiemental repo is 1.0.23. Is there even a way to get it on sqeeze?
12:35<guido_>hi
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12:36<i_like_penguins>either way, i would still like libssl1.0.0 installed and it is breaking on gcc-4.4. trying to figure out this whole sid thing, so this may take a bit
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12:36<newbie|2>I would assume there has to be a way to get it, since they released the package on debian squeeze, they should have tested it first, so it should be possible to test it
12:37<XayOn>i_like_penguins: Ok, lets have a look at it... It might be backportable ;-)
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12:42<amal>#
12:43<amal>amal
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12:44<i_like_penguins>XayOn, works for me. Fedex just dropped some toys off at the office, so I may be slow to respond for a bit. But I should be online for another 5 hours or so.
12:45<XayOn>nice, I'll probably be sleeping in 5 hours =)
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12:49<asr33>Hello folks, could somebody recommend a good Debian GNU VPS provider that has a truly up to date 6.0.4 including kernel?
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12:54<lp>asr33: linode.com is excellent, and you can install debian (one of the choices), including booting an official debian xen kernel, if you change your config to pv-grub
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12:55<lp>asr33: i'm using them - probably there are others, no personal experience outside linode
12:55<asr33>ok really appreciate the advice, I'll go look at their webpage
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12:56<lp>asr33: both i376 and amd64 available, go for 32-bit on their smaller vpses
12:57<asr33>great thank you
12:57<lp>asr33: look at http://library.linode.com for docs
12:57<lp>asr33: you're welcome
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13:00<PastorBones>Where can I find the powermac port for a G5?
13:00<engla>PastorBones: normal powerpc
13:00<PastorBones>and that is where?
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13:01<engla>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/powerpc/iso-cd/
13:02<PastorBones>8 CD's? is there a netinst?
13:03<engla>maybe you should start at debian.org
13:03<engla>and read the information and instructions in order
13:03<engla>short story: it's simple
13:03<PastorBones>oh nvm, I see the netinst image
13:03<PastorBones>yeah, been reading the pages, just couldn't find a link to the ports
13:04<PastorBones>I tried ubuntu, but it doesn't like this G5 lol and debian seems to have better support for the PPC
13:04<engla>it's all http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
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13:04<kop>PastorBones: You will probably be helped by reading the installation instructions for the ppc arch.
13:05<wer>hi everyone
13:05<retrospectacus>hi wer
13:05<PastorBones>thx...what package manager does Debian use?
13:05<retrospectacus>apt
13:05<PastorBones>awesome...
13:05<PastorBones>I'm sure I'll be back :)
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13:05<retrospectacus>we'll be here :)
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13:09<wer>i'm using crunchbang for first time and i don't how it powers off (LOLz) can anyone hellp?
13:09<wer>*know help
13:09<retrospectacus>we only support debian, not crunchbang
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13:10<retrospectacus>!cb
13:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cb is at http://www.kennynet.co.uk
13:10<retrospectacus>!crunchbang
13:10<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
13:10<wer>ok thanks for the information
13:11<daemonkeeper>oO what's "cb"
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13:14<Tired>I think you could possibly find out at http://www.kennynet.co.uk ... or then perhaps you couldn't
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13:19<Aleric>I'm using 'testing' in my source.list right now, but I don't want that anymore... I want to use 'stable'. What is the code word for 'testing', and if I replace the word 'testing' with that code word, then when it testing becomes stable it will just stick with it right?
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13:21<arand>Aleric: Current testing will eventually be "wheezy"
13:21<arand>And this codename works to use now.
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13:23<retrospectacus>Aleric: yes
13:23<retrospectacus>Aleric: except the part where you want to use stable
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13:58<jhutchins_wk>Aleric: It's really not practical to try to switch from testing to stable, is that what you're trying to do?
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13:59<Aleric>no, I just want to stop it from upgrading to the next testing when this one becomes stable.
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14:01<ring0>Aleric, in that case just put the release name instead of testing in your sources.list, in order to be tracking wheezy not testing f.e.
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14:02<Aleric>My question was what that release name is.
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14:02<Aleric>for the current 'testing'
14:02<ring0>wheezy
14:02<Aleric>Thanks :)
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14:03<ring0>Aleric, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting ;)
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14:33<rpetre>hello, i'm installing Debian on a server by debootsrapping in chroot and update-grub tells me "grub-probe: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)". /dev is bind-mounted from the real system and the devices seem to be there, any idea what it wants?
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14:36<rpetre>oh, i managed somehow to start udev in the chroot :(
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14:49<engla>rpetre: bind mount all of dev, dev/pts, proc and sys?
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14:52<engla>is there a tool to diff all of /etc versus the corresponding unedited version?
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14:54<rpetre>engla: no, i was stupid, i forgot to mount the real device and i ended installing in the ramdrive of the livecd :) after reboot, only /boot was there and i was in wtf mode :)
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14:55<engla>ah ok well it can be confusing
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14:57<Zborg>is 1.5x RAM for swap a good rule to go by (assuming you want to use hibernate, that is)?
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15:00<rpetre>Zborg: you can add swap files later if you really need more, so i'd say yes
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15:01<Zborg>though swap files can't be used for hibernation
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15:02<rpetre>i don't think so, but i wouldn't bet on it
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15:02<stummi>it depends on how much ram you have
15:02<stummi>i think on a normal system on modern times you don't realy need swap at all
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15:03<rpetre>i was thinking if it's possible to force the swap space in the partition to have lower prio
15:03<rpetre>stummi: for hibernation you do
15:03<stummi>ok
15:04<Sicelo>http://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation/Hibernate_Without_Swap_Partition
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15:07*stummi doens't uses swap since a memory leaking application let his system constantly swapping and made it unusable so
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15:08<stummi>without swap, the OOM-Killer had just killed this app
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15:25<woti>hi weasel
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15:26<woti>wer kennt ein deb prog zum verbinden von mp4 - bruchstücken?
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15:26<retro|blah>!de
15:26<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
15:27<woti>ok - english spoken
15:28<woti>who knows a debian prog for merging mp4 parts
15:28<retrospectacus>ffmpeg
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15:29<woti>cant mange with this program
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15:29<woti>cant manage with this program
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15:30<retrospectacus>eh? what do you mean?
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15:30<woti>ffmpeg is too complicate to merge 11 mp4 parts
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15:31<woti>no drag n drop :-)
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15:31<pepe>ciao
15:31<PastorBones>get windows? :P
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15:32<woti>all jokes aside - how could I make it with ffmpeg
15:32<pepe>pepe
15:32<pepe>sex and the city
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15:33<retrospectacus>pepe: vattene via
15:33<PastorBones>never used it, but apparantly there's a avidemux GUI tool that'll make it easier
15:33<retrospectacus>woti: check out winff, looks like it might do that
15:33<woti>avidemux - good idea !!!
15:33<woti>has many dependencies
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15:34<pepe>come si fa a scaricare i film ? di solito uso mirc
15:34<PastorBones>yeah, you could also read here http://www.ffmpeg.org/faq.html#toc-How-can-I-join-video-files_003f
15:34-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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15:35<PastorBones>I <3 Google
15:35<cefege>how should I setup a lamp server?
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15:35<woti>look wiki cefege
15:35<Black_Prince>dpkg: lamp
15:35-!-amphi [~amphi@88-108-82-126.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #debian
15:35<dpkg>LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
15:35-!-eva_ [~eva@213-33-26-189.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit []
15:35<PastorBones>http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server
15:37<pepe>retro spectatus aiutami
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15:37<pepe>per piacere
15:37<retrospectacus>pepe: epossibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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15:38<woti>hi floe !
15:38<cefege>thanks
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15:40<woti>hi gruetzkopf !
15:40<retrospectacus>woti: don't do that.
15:40<woti>ok
15:40<gruetzkopf>dont do that
15:41<woti>was machst du da gruetzkopf - rumhängen?
15:41<retrospectacus>debian support only, no chatting. You'll be silenced or kicked
15:41<pepe>ma qua si chatta e basta
15:41<woti>ok - in english do u hang around?
15:41<pepe> ???
15:42<gruetzkopf>debian support only, no chatting. You'll be silenced or kicked
15:42<retrospectacus>pepe: I do not speak Italian. This channel is for debian support, not whatever you are trying to do. Vattene via!
15:42<gruetzkopf>!it
15:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:42<pepe>io voglio scaricare film come mirc
15:42<retrospectacus>pepe: This channel is for debian support, not whatever you are trying to do. Vattene via!
15:42<cefege>I looked on debian wiki and sourceforge, but there are diffrent steps and configurations
15:42<pepe>ma vai via tu
15:42<cefege>I just want to learn how to setup a default lamp stack
15:43<retrospectacus>pepe: we do not speak Italian...
15:43<retrospectacus>cefege: dpkg told you 8 minutes ago exactly how
15:43<woti>ok - gime an advice to merge 11 parts of mp4 s - gruetzkopf
15:43<pepe>ma va a fanculo
15:44<woti>chiao pepe
15:44<woti>:-)
15:44<pepe>ciao woti
15:44<retrospectacus>debian support only, no chatting. You'll be silenced or kicked
15:44<woti>onliy support - no jokes - !!!
15:45<pepe>woti mi aiuti
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15:45<pepe>?
15:45<retrospectacus>bye
15:45<themill>pepe: play elsewhere, thanks.
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15:46<woti>no aitui per italiano
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15:46<woti>i told him: no support in italian
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15:48<retrospectacus>he doesn't need any support, he's looking for warez
15:48<woti>no joke - i´ve never send files by DCC before- how does it work ? i use xchat
15:48<Wortox>Got a ssh port forward and ftp problem. when i run this > ssh -vv -N -L 9065:127.0.0.1:9065 lars@122.222.222.111, The ftp connects but dies out before loading the folder content
15:48<retrospectacus>woti: no idea
15:48<Wortox>If i use a direct connection from the client without ssh it works fine
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15:49<Wortox>Any idea what i can do to make it work over ssh ?
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15:49<retrospectacus>Wortox: ftp sucks like that
15:49<retrospectacus>... use scp
15:50<Wortox>Np as long as i can run it thru the ssh tunnel.
15:50<woti>what is 9065 ? a port ? Ports always behind IP
15:50<Wortox>woti, 9065 if the vsftpd port
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15:51<Wortox>it listens on 0.0.0.0 so i can confirm it works directly to the ip, when i switch to 127.0.0.1 in the ftp client it just doesnt work right
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15:51<retrospectacus>Wortox: what? just use straight FTP, why do you need a tunnel?
15:51<retrospectacus>I mean SCP
15:52<Wortox>Its a provider problem, i can only connect to the ssh really
15:52<Wortox>well i gotta white list ips, so its easier when i travel around just to use the ssh
15:52<retrospectacus>so?? scp /your/file lars@122.222.222.111:/some/path/
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15:53<Wortox>Well that could work i guess. The ftp provides gui, thats nice. It has to work somehow. Maybe the ssh -L command doesnt work with the ftp. Not sure
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15:56<retrospectacus>it's because FTP sucks. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
15:56<retrospectacus>there are plenty of guis for scp/ssh too
15:56<retrospectacus>for those that like to click
15:58<Wortox>Sounds like i need to use that instead. Any idea if there is a scp server for debian ?
15:58<retrospectacus>scp = ssh
15:58<retrospectacus>that's it
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15:58<retrospectacus>if you can ssh you can scp
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15:59<Wortox>Sounds easy, But what about the gui client ?
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16:00<retrospectacus>client for debian? well nautilus, the gnome file manager, will do it
16:00<ichdasich>Wortox: filezilla
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16:01<retrospectacus>lots of "ftp clients" support scp too, e.g. filezilla ^^
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16:01<Wortox>ichdasich: My filezilla have ftp,sftp,ftps,ftpes. thats iut
16:02<Wortox>Servertype: dropdown box
16:02<retrospectacus>you want sftp
16:02<retrospectacus>it is a kind of extension to ssh to be more like ftp
16:02<retrospectacus>the server has to support it
16:03<retrospectacus>but it probably does :)
16:03<retrospectacus>sftp uses port 22 (ssh)
16:03<Wortox>im sure it does but it just stops at "open "testuser2@127.0.0.1" 9065"
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16:04<retrospectacus>wat
16:04<retrospectacus>sftp://lars@122.222.222.111
16:04<retrospectacus>no localhost
16:04<retrospectacus>no 9065
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16:05<Wortox>got it
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16:06<retrospectacus>now, if you want to do the tunneling thing to get around your whitelist thing, that can be done too
16:07<Wortox>really, but in that case i ḱind of have to use 127.0.0.1 as host
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16:07<retrospectacus>so, wortox# ssh -vv -N -g -L2022:127.0.0.1:22 lars@122.222.222.111
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16:08<Wortox>Dohh of course. portforwad the ssh main port as well
16:08<retrospectacus>then from anywhere, sftp://user@wortox:2022
16:09<retrospectacus>note that you need -g to allow remote connections to the tunnel
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16:09<retrospectacus>also GatewayPorts (iirc) enabled in sshd_config
16:09<retrospectacus>on wartox
16:09<retrospectacus>[sp]
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16:11<Wortox>I think GatewayPorts are on by default. checking
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16:14<Wortox>Thx retrospectacus. Worked out fine.
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16:14<retrospectacus>awesome! One less FTP user in the world :D
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16:17<morri>identify morri imps85
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16:18<Wortox>lol yes. Now its one ssh command and i got 10 services in the tunnel. Awesome what debian can do with 256mb ram
16:19<retrospectacus>yer a wizard Wortox
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16:38<patrik83>Hi, I am trying to setup kerberos, but what confuse me is that it takes the hostname for 127.0.1.1 if i run kadmin.local and listprincs . I dont know why I was following this guide and it looks that in the guide, it looks as it should look like with no 127.0.1.1 . Or am I missing somthing ? Thank you very much
16:39<patrik83>http://techpubs.spinlocksolutions.com/dklar/kerberos.html
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17:04<freec>is the xubuntu channel on OFTC?
17:04<freec>anyone know?
17:05<bittin>freec, no Freenode
17:05<jordanm>freec: I don't think they use OFTC, try /list
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17:06<TheLaughingMan>Alright I need help setting up network interfaces, I currently have a /29 IP Range and just gotten a /27 that is being routed to a specific IP or that is what there telling me. So apparently I am setting up network interfaces that use a specific IP but am suppose to use the kernel routing to redirect it to this specific IP. Does this make any sense to yall?
17:06<freec>weird the're seems to be a xubuntu channel but I am the only one on it...
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17:15<TheLaughingMan>Nobody :(
17:15<devil>freec: wrong network maybe?
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17:16<freec>What happens when you enter an unexistant IRC channel
17:17<Gh0sty_>did you try it ?
17:18<TheLaughingMan>You make a new channel
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17:19<Gh0sty_>and if you make too much channels the universe will explode!
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18:27<marta>olá paneleiros
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18:28<Guest2729>ola
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18:34<hoshi411>while debian does rock and aptitude/dpgk is my favorite system, so why is it behind in so many popular items such as KDE XBMC compiz simple config gimp .... you would think that at least experimental would contain some of these things but ..... then again there is stuff in testing already that ... isn't it not about time to move into stable O_o other distros are already launching these things as their stable branch
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18:34<hoshi411>it just always seems like there is this one package that everybody else has got except debian
18:34<hoshi411>today it was xbmc
18:34<abrotman>did you look at why?
18:34<hoshi411>trying to make a media center
18:34<abrotman>!xbmc
18:34<dpkg>XBMC Media Center (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. <ITP> filed in Debian bug #469397; ask me about <dmm> for unofficial packages. "XBMC Live" is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC for Linux, it is not supported in #debian. http://xbmc.org/ #xbmc on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>.
18:35<abrotman>see the ITP .. someone actually has to finish the ITP
18:35<hoshi411>i love debian. don't get me wrong
18:35<hoshi411>it's my main system
18:36<themill>hoshi411: also, packages don't "move to stable" the entire release is made stable
18:36<hoshi411>but I think that is what makes it the most .... no good word to use
18:38<Clu>hoshi411 actually xbmc is an excellent media center if you are going to hook up a huge flat screen. Could always make a dom partitions and isolate it from your system. Well vitalization
18:39<hoshi411>Clu: that sounds great!
18:39<hoshi411>yes I'm trying to make a media center right now but needed to know what distros xbmc and boxee etc will run on
18:39<hoshi411>don't know what a dom partition is
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18:40<hoshi411>but I was hoping to use the center for hulu boxee and possibly ubuntu tv as well as some gameing
18:40<hoshi411>if I could get amazon video on there too that would be great
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18:40<engla>hoshi411: like dpkg hinted above, xbmc is in debian-multimedia.org
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18:41<hoshi411>engla: yes it is .... i found it thanks
18:44<zul0>what log file hold information about vpn connection errors?
18:44<Clu>hoshi411, I did just that. I have a few domU, 1 for for playing Windows games with pass-though on the GPU, One really secure Debian server and one I program in. The DomU I use as my desktop is multi-seated so my kid can also use linux on his own account. Or play god awful Windows splatter games in Windows with full GPU acceleration vitalized.
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18:45<hoshi411>Clu what hardware are you using for that? and where can i find out about DomU?
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18:45<Deltatash>does the "Kismet" package in Debian 6.0.4 Squeeze not include aircrack tools?
18:46<Clu>hoshi411 beleved it or not a normal Sandy Bridge i7 2600 (not the k) since it supports IOMMU. I would use 16GB or ram for a set up like that though. That little SB is just over powered.
18:46<razor>Eclipse is not working. I am using squeeze Xfce. I have installed it through apt. Can anyone help?
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18:47<Clu>Eclipse works for me just fine and I use xfce but I am on testing repos.
18:47<Clu>razor what are you on? Stable?
18:47<hoshi411>Clu: right but I mean, not the processor... like what kind of settop or thinclient box or mini pc are you using?
18:47<razor>Yes.
18:48<hoshi411>or are you just using a huge desktop box sitting under your tv?
18:48<razor>Should I get it through backports?
18:48<hoshi411>I was thinking of the zbox from zotac ... or the thin slice arm machine
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18:50<zul0>what log file hold information about vpn connection errors?
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18:53<Clu>hoshi is msi z68a-GD55 mobo with a the i7 I mentioned above. Xen is compiled in the Debian kernel by default.
18:53<Clu>If a really paranoid person or organization asked me for advise on how to prepare a system used for some special security-critical role, then I might go into such extremes as recommending custom-configured Xen that would be making use of things like VT-d for Dom0 disaggregation, TPM and TXT for secured boot, and high isolation through customized DomU partitioning. Each DomU would be running a hardened version of Linux
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18:55<Clu>Just that one of the DomU is running Windows 7 in pass-though for my kid to get full access to the GPU.
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18:56<Clu>that only the DomU can use.
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19:01<Clu>And of course the best GNU/Linux hands down is Debian. I shit you not.
19:02<retrospectacus>we know ;)
19:02<Clu>=)
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19:05<Clu>Linux needed a good enema to get rid of all the clingy blobs and Debian delivered. Hats off to the devs.
19:05<Deltatash>is aircrack no included in the synaptics packet manager with Kismet like it is Ubuntu?
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19:06<Clu>Deltatash should be. Airmon-ng is a really useful tool.
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19:07<Deltatash>thanks :) hmm airmon-ng doesnt seem to be included with "Kismet" from synaptics packet manager
19:07<Deltatash>is that right? I should go to aircrack website and download and compile myself?
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19:07<Clu>Deltatash is part of the aircrack-ng suit...funny don't see it here?
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19:08<Deltatash>nope :s "aircrack-ng" is not in my synaptics and installing kismet did nto give me anything to do with aircrack
19:08<daemonkeeper>aircrack-ng was removed from Debian
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19:08<daemonkeeper>!aircrack-ng
19:08<dpkg>aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities forked from aircrack. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #605519, removed from Debian to resolve bug #642934. http://aircrack-ng.org/doku?id=faq http://aircrack-ng.org/ #aircack-ng on irc.freenode.net. See also <pyrit>, <weplab>.
19:08<Deltatash>hmm howcome?
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19:09<Clu>kismet is not part of the aircrack-ng suit. Its more made for war driving. Nice tool all the same.
19:09<Deltatash>hmm ok, so I guess if i want it i need to install it manually myself? go to website download etc
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19:10<Clu>Just make sure your wifi gear can do injection.
19:10<Deltatash>It can :) I used to do it on ubuntu
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19:10<Deltatash>Ubuntu included aircrack with kismet package
19:11<Deltatash>thats why I was unsure and asked here :P
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19:11<Deltatash>but thank you for the info guys :)
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19:12<Clu>Deltatash you brought up an interesting question. Why is aircrack-ng not part of Debian. Does so much more then cracking wep/wpa
19:13<Deltatash>yeah, I dont know though, maybe me being noobish and lazy, becuase I was so used to ubuntu making everything easier for me including things liek aircrack in kismet and not having to touch command line so much
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19:13<daemonkeeper>The rationale is clearly outlined in #642934
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19:14<abrotman>among others
19:14<Clu>Deltatash funny they would mix kismet with aircrack-ng. All the same both are nice.
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19:15<Clu>Ask for ZeroChaos on their #. Tell them the Onryo was wondering. I use to be a dev on BackTrack
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19:17<angelo>sera
19:18<Clu>I pissed off that project when the others insisted on using Ubuntu as a chopped up mess. Thought Debian testing would be better.
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19:19<abrotman>no one cares
19:19<angelo>qualcuno può aiutarmi, per favore?
19:19<abrotman>!it
19:19<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:20<Clu>lol abrotman I appreciate your honesty. Refreshing.
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19:21<abrotman>it's not funny
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19:21<Clu>Not funny just a compliment.
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19:23<Deltatash>sorry my internet connection is weak I disconected
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19:25<Deltatash>can somebody give me a hand in compiling and installing aircrack? with the "make" "make install" commands please? I am not so good at this I have a few errors coming up I am not so sure how to resolve them coming from ubuntu I am not so experienced in command line
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19:25<panko>Deltatash: it depends on errors it gives you...
19:25<Deltatash>Can I pastebin it to you please?
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19:25<panko>of course
19:26<Deltatash>here is my pastebin just after I run "Sudo make" I have changed a setting so that I can use sudo instead of su http://pastebin.com/vUVE61dj
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19:28<Clu>Deltatash did you grab he svn?
19:28<abrotman>you dno't use sudo or su to run just 'make'
19:28<Clu>svn co http://trac.aircrack-ng.org/svn/trunk aircrack-ng
19:28<Clu>cd aircrack-ng
19:28<Deltatash>ok I will try that, thanks
19:28<Clu>make
19:28<Clu>make install
19:28<panko>Deltatash: you need install libcrypto++ dev
19:28<Clu>make sqlite=true unstable=true
19:28<Clu>make sqlite=true unstable=true install
19:29<retrospectacus>Deltatash: the basic procedure here is, see where it says "openssl/hmac.h: No such file or directory" - run ''apt-file search openssl/hmac.h'' which will tell you that you need to install libssl-dev. Rinse and repeat
19:29<Deltatash>ok i will install them first
19:29<panko>*libcrypto++-dev
19:29<Deltatash>oh, I see
19:29<Deltatash>thank you for the info guys I will try now :)
19:29<Clu>and like panko said make sure you have any dependencies.
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19:32<Delta>hey sorry guys its "Deltatash" here i disconected it sayts my other name is in use lol
19:33<devil>Delta: takes iirc 15 minutes to detach
19:33<Delta>I did not grab "svn" yet clu
19:33<Delta>ok
19:34<Delta>I assume I can install svn as normal through synaptics
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19:34<Delta>svn-buildpackage?
19:34<onryo>Deltatash I designed this Yagi with close to 26 dBi for the Remote-Exploit team. If you are into pulling in signals for a few km you might be interested. http://www.eriks.homeunix.com/antennas/index.php
19:35<retrospectacus>the package is called subversion
19:35<Delta>I will take a look onryo thanks :)
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19:36<onryo>retrospectacus I stand corrected for my sloppy choice of words. Thx.
19:37<retrospectacus>hm?
19:37<Delta>hmm running "apt-file search openssl/hmac.h" I am told "apt-file: command not found" :s
19:37<retrospectacus>!installit
19:37<dpkg>Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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19:45<Delta>hmm guys I have used cd aircrack and then I used "make" then "make install" and everything went fine... but now i try to do "make sqlite=true unstable=true" and I get a ton of error messages http://pastebin.com/86w7dDPL any idea?
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19:47<Delta>sorry for being a little noobish, I am not so used to installing software like this
19:49<onryo>Delta also apt-get install openssl-dev
19:50<Delta>ok
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19:51<Delta>"Unable to locate package openssl-dev" :s
19:51<engla>Delta: error: sqlite3.h: No such file or directory always look at the first error, the rest are meaningless
19:51<panko>search for openssl, maybe package have other name
19:52<retrospectacus>it's libssl-dev like I said
19:52<XayOn>Delta: Are you on debian stable?
19:52<Delta>yeah im on 6.0.4 Squeeze
19:52<nsadmin>Delta, make clean first
19:52<Delta>in the aircrack directory?
19:52<onryo>weird yeah libssl-dev will work too I would think like retrospectacus said
19:53<retrospectacus># apt-file search openssl/hmac.h
19:53<retrospectacus>libssl-dev: /usr/include/openssl/hmac.h
19:53<retrospectacus>it's simple...
19:53<XayOn>Delta: That errors were because sqlite3-dev not installed in fact, wait
19:53<Delta>retrospectacus, I have libssl-dev installed already
19:53<retrospectacus>yeah well now you're on to the next error
19:53<Delta>ok
19:53<XayOn>Delta: libpcap0.8-dev, libssl-dev, libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.4), quilt, libnl-dev (>= 1.1)
19:54<retrospectacus>something about sqlite? I didn't read your paste
19:54<XayOn>apt-get install libpcap0.8-dev libssl-dev libsqlite3-dev libnl-dev
19:54<retrospectacus>like I said, rinse and repeat
19:54<nsadmin>Delta, is there a configure step?
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19:54<XayOn>I've build a package but it works only on testing and sid.
19:55<XayOn>Precisely because libssl1.0.0
19:55<nsadmin>Delta, is there any file in the root of the source tree that matches "configure*"?
19:55<Delta>ok I have installed what you said "XayOn" I should try again now? erm not so sure abotu a configure step
19:55<Delta>ill look
19:56<nsadmin>cool.
19:56<Delta>dont see a anything "configure" in the root
19:56<XayOn>Nope, there's no configure step building aircrack-ng
19:56<retrospectacus>usually you can't run "make" until configure's been done
19:56<Delta>hmm
19:57<XayOn>Delta: I've opened you a query with a tutorial I made two weeks ago for building aircrack-ng on debian.
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19:57<Delta>ok :)
19:57<nsadmin>hmm... kinda too bad since the configure step in source distributions of other software is what finds the newly available libs and headers
19:57<XayOn>"tutorial"... 4 lines.
19:57<panko>mmm....
19:58<onryo>Delta I found a wiki for Debian squeeze on how to compile the suit for your box. http://maurizio-franco.blogspot.com/2011/09/debian-squeeze-602-stable-aircrack-easy.html
19:58<panko>aircrack-ng doesn't need ./configure step as I remember
19:58<panko>just need dependencies-dev installed
19:59<panko>and make [unstable=true sqlite=true]
19:59<XayOn>onryo: I sent him already one
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20:00<onryo>XayOh ahh kk
20:00<XayOn>panko: and ext_scripts=true if you want airgraph airdrop and airoscript ;)
20:00<onryo>airgraph kicks ass!
20:00<panko>oh, last time I installed airoscript apart...
20:00<nsadmin>well where do you get this thing
20:00<panko>just cd to dir scripts/airoscript and then make install
20:00<XayOn>panko: Probably last time you had to, I added that functionality not so long ago.
20:01<Delta>thanks for the wiki
20:01<nsadmin>no I mean where do you get the source
20:01<panko>XayOn: sure, maybe 3 months ago
20:01<XayOn>nsadmin: aircrack-ng.org
20:02<XayOn>Damn... 2am again. Looks like I wont have decent sleep this month.
20:02<koollman>get some indecent sleep. it's better
20:03<onryo>Is there a reason this is not packaged in the Debian repo?
20:03<Delta>guys aircrack seems to be installed now :D but i try to run airmon-ng start wlan0 and I get this message http://pastebin.com/W9yTUiWH grrr sooo close! lol
20:03<onryo>sudo airmon-ng start wlan0 should make a mon0 when you look in ifconfig
20:03<Delta>I guess I can do "wget http://wireless.kernel.org/download/iw/iw-0.9.19.tar.bz2" then I start the process allover...compile another program and find dependancies etc ? :/
20:03<zykotick9>Can apt-cacher function in the "aptproxy" (i don't know what it's called) form? Examples: entered during netinstall proxy question, or specified as Acquire::http::Proxy in apt.conf. With apt-cacher I've only found guides recommending editing source.list (replacing the current repo addresses with the apt-cacher's address).
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20:04<Delta>yeah mine doesnt make a "Mon0" apparently I am missing something it says "ERROR: Neither the sysfs interface links nor the iw command is available."
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20:05<onryo>did you use sudo?
20:05<Delta>yup
20:05<XayOn>Delta: Uhm, try an "apt-get install iw"
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20:05<Delta>ok
20:06<onryo>What is your wifi card called in ifconfig?
20:06<Delta>"bash: ifconfig: command not found" lol
20:06<onryo>sudo ifconfig
20:06<XayOn>Delta: as root, or /sbin/ifconfig
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20:07<onryo>ath0 ?
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20:07<Delta>ok
20:07<Delta>XayOn "apt-get install iw" worked :D I can enter monitor mode now :D thanks :D
20:07<Delta>my wifi card is displayed as wlan0
20:07<onryo>weird
20:07<XayOn>Congrats Delta =)
20:07<XayOn>onryo: Why is that weird?
20:07<onryo>coolio
20:07<Delta>so im guessing everything in aircrack will work now guys ?
20:07<onryo>missed that I got it working part!
20:07<Delta>it is all done?
20:08<XayOn>Delta: If you're lucky
20:08<Delta>lol :P
20:08<XayOn>;)
20:08<onryo>Graztz and try to be a good boy. Its sooooo hard ;)
20:08<Delta>ok :) well I think it is ok now :D i assume we got all the dependancies etc if not I should be ok from here to find them with google :P
20:08<Delta>lol onryo dont worry :P I am not a bad person
20:08<onryo>I am
20:08<Delta>its just interesting to learn how to do this stuff on wireless :)
20:09<onryo>well not bad just curious.
20:09<Delta>hhaha :P I work as IT support...but with windows.. so im kinda embarrased im so bad at this on linux lol
20:09<Delta>I have used aircrack at work on ubuntu on the wireless connections I was in charge of :P i mean I have access to it anyway...so why not practice cracking it lol
20:10<Delta>but anyway Thanks a lot for all the help tonight guys it looked a little messy at times (for me atleast) but we got there :D got one big ass text file now with everything I did to get this working :) thanks a lot :)
20:12<onryo>Delta you should read some of my tuts on the BackTrack forums on rouge APs and even worse how to arp networks with ettercap doing MITM attacks with sslstrip if you get into this stuff =)
20:12<abrotman>this isn't #backtrack
20:12<Delta>Yeah I would like that :D so far I am only capable of breaking wep... just simple stuff but I would love to learn more about it all and how it works and become more advance
20:13<abrotman>and the general discussion has kind of gone beyond Debian anyway
20:14<onryo>The platform is not important. Just the programs abrotman. We are all using Debian with love.
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20:14<abrotman>onryo: stay on-topic
20:17<onryo>Says Topic for #debian is: squeeze (6.0.4) released. He wants to get this stuff working on squeeze. Sorry if I offended.
20:17<Delta>onryo is it ok to pm you ?
20:17<onryo>sure Delta
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20:18<Delta>nice :)
20:19<milos>hello
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20:20<abrotman>thank goodness
20:21<Delta>lol
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20:28<Delta>bye everyone thanks for the help but I need sleep now :) really appreciate everything everyone told me :)
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21:01<Evollana>*PLONK* RFM that Debian turned into a nest of OP fags. weasel, dondelelcaro, Myon, Ganneff, azeem, gravity, helix, mentor, Maulkin, stew, peterS, zobel, abrotman, themill, RichiH. BTW read my name backward you homos.
21:01-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
21:01-!-Evollana was kicked from #debian by abrotman [you should know better]
21:01-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@184-75-217-2.amanah.com] by abrotman
21:01-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
21:01*abrotman doesn't even know what RFM means ... oh well
21:03<tempest_>Think it measns Real F***ing Magic. What was that all about?
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21:04<abrotman>no idea, don't care .. back to Debian!
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21:07<tempest_>Anyway my Q, I need to start a script when I boot Debian. Seems Debian uses runtimes a little differant. Is rc.local even used in Debian? .
21:08<tempest_>Using Squeeze.
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21:10<abrotman>!tell tempest_ about run at startup
21:10<tempest_>Thank you abrotman
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21:25<Sawtooth>Hello
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21:32<Krisr0xU_>how do i get to a command prompt from yaboot?
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21:33<Sawtooth>try control+ Alt+ f1
21:33<abrotman>didn't we just talk abou tthat ?
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21:33<abrotman>!tell Krisr0xU_ about ppc
21:34<Krisr0xU_>that told me nothing
21:34<abrotman>the bot told you
21:35<Krisr0xU_>gave me links to a page that tells about the ppc port, not how to get a command prompt
21:35<abrotman>it also gave you an irc channel
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21:36<Krisr0xU_>hmmm, well since Debian is giving me the same problem that ubuntu did, guess I'll go back to that
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21:36<abrotman>that was easy
21:36<engla>yaboot doesn't have a command prompt
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21:36<engla>only has the normal prompt
21:37<abrotman>he wanted to boot to single user mode
21:37<abrotman>he just phrased it poorly
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21:45<ncb>Hey everyone
21:46<retrospectacus>hello
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21:46<ncb>I love #!, I have it on my macbook!!!!!!
21:46<ncb>Hacks!
21:46<retrospectacus>shebang?
21:47<abrotman>ncb: do you need help with Debian ?
21:47<ncb>nope, Im good
21:47<ncb>thanks
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21:49<AlexMu>hello
21:49<retrospectacus>hello
21:50<engla>retrospectacus: "crunchbang", it's a distro
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21:51<retrospectacus>I know what crunchbang is... #! is a shebang, tell the kernel what program to run a file with
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21:52<engla>retrospectacus: and you don't see what happens if you say crunch for #?
21:52<ncb>hi
21:52<retrospectacus>I do but # is a hash not "crunch"
21:53<abrotman>or pound ?
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21:54<engla>ah it has only one name
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21:54<ninja>trying to setup a VPN Network Connections are locked for VPN Import command?
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21:56<ninja>sorry on Debian Squeeze
21:57<retrospectacus>ninja: what's your question
21:57<ninja>how to unlock vpn for import
21:57<retrospectacus>that makes no sense
21:58<retrospectacus>!ask
21:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:59<ninja>never mind, to much protocol
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22:00<ncb>Problem: how do I install xmobar window task manager and make it work!
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22:01<ncb>Problem: how do I install xmobar window task manager and make it work!
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22:02<retrospectacus>ncb: we can't support crunchbang
22:02<ncb>ok thanks
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22:03<ncb>so what WM can I use? do you know?
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22:05<ncb>hi
22:05<ncb>how do I change the color of the text im typing right now
22:06<whirli>irssi?
22:06<ncb>irssi?
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22:06<retrospectacus>it's an irc client. what one are you using?
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22:08<ncb>ok
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22:10<ncb>hi
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22:11<ncb>hello
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22:12<celina>ubuntu 11.10....terminal for installing java to play pogo games
22:12<retrospectacus>!ubuntu
22:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:12<celina>help
22:12<alephnull>I want to install munin from experimental in squeeze.
22:13<celina>help ubuntu 11.10....what is terminal command for installing java to play online games on firefox
22:13<retrospectacus>!ubuntu
22:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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22:14<alephnull>To this end, I added a line for experimental in sources.list, apt tried to install it as apt-get -t experimental install munin.
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22:14<retrospectacus>,checkbackport munin
22:14<judd>Backporting package munin in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
22:14<retrospectacus>alephnull: don't do that.. use ssb - ^^ sez it is possible
22:14<ncb>l
22:14<retrospectacus>alephnull: /msg dpkg ssb for directions
22:15<alephnull>thanks retrospectacus
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22:15<ncb>exit
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22:19<alephnull>retrospectacus: I'd rather not have to build the packages. This is happening in a place where build tools are not available. And the munin docs say that installing from experimental is the way to go.
22:19<alephnull>http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/DebianDaily
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22:19<retrospectacus>*shrug*
22:19*retrospectacus goes to play hockey
22:20<alephnull>The problem is that munin's dependencies do not get marked for installation.
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22:23<alephnull>http://paste.debian.net/156439/
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22:27<bones_was_here>alephnull: in aptitude's curses interface, installing stuff from experimental works properly (at least, for me it does)
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22:36<bones_was_here>if aptitude can't install the dependencies, it could be because it needs versions from testing/unstable
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22:44<Zborg>if a package on the CD/DVD is not read correctly will the package fail to install (due to an invalid signature) or will it install but with some corrupted data?
22:45<bones_was_here>fail to install
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22:58<arinov>open office impress is slow with text labels if i resize or move it on slide
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22:58<arinov>where can i ask help or fix?
22:58<alephnull>bones_was_here: I see. Can't get it to work.
22:58<bones_was_here>moar info?
22:59<alephnull>I think it wants to upgrade perl... Trying to understand what's happening here.
23:00<bones_was_here>yes it's likely some of your squeeze packages would need to be upgraded to run an experimental package
23:00<bones_was_here>if you don't want to do that, you must compile yourself or use the backport as retrospectacus suggests
23:02<bones_was_here>also, if you upgrade (eg) perl, but don't have testing/unstable repos in your sources, then you'd be getting perl from experimental, which is NOT recommended (and may break other parts of squeeze)
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23:07<alephnull>bones_was_here: Would you take a look at http://paste.debian.net/156439/
23:08<bones_was_here>i saw that before, apt-get is in a situation it can't resolve by itself
23:08<alephnull>bones_was_here: perl isn't in the list of things here.
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23:09<bones_was_here>ok, but i would guess (at least) librrds-perl depends on perl
23:10<bones_was_here>like i said, you'll almost certainly have to upgrade some of your squeeze packages for any experimental package to work
23:10<bones_was_here>often this is quite a large number of packages
23:11<bones_was_here>and requires that you have testing and/or unstable repos in your sources
23:11<bones_was_here>(experimental is not a complete distribution)
23:12<bones_was_here>and if you do that, but want to keep most of the system on stable, you'd need an appropriate /etc/apt/apt.conf
23:13<Zborg>also, which is better for general desktop/laptop use: ext3 or ext4?
23:13<Zborg>with squeeze
23:14<alephnull>bones_was_here: Success. I installed it as munin/experimental that picked squeeze rather than experimental package unless there was a dependency that demanded an experimental version.
23:14<bones_was_here>Zborg: ext4 is quicker than ext3 in most regards
23:14<Zborg>any disadvantages to ext4?
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23:17<zykotick9>Zborg: if you do a lot of torrenting ext4 (with supported client) doesn't suffer as much fragmentation
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23:21<bones_was_here>alephnull: yep thats how it should work if you've got all those repos in your sources, ofc apt will at some point try to upgrade your entire system to unstable if you havnt got an apt.conf to tell it otherwise ;)
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23:22<alephnull>Thanks bones_was_here, retrospectacus
23:22<engla>Zborg: ext4 also fsyncs much faster
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23:22<engla>uh not fsync.. fsck!
23:26<bones_was_here>fsync AND fsck are faster in ext4 :)
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23:35<rpgdude>im having some trouble with apt pinning
23:35<rpgdude>i want to pin unstable so i can install individual packages
23:35<rpgdude>but now aptitude wants to upgrade like every package
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23:37<rpgdude>nvm, i figured it out
23:37<bones_was_here>rpgdude: afaik, the simplest way of dealing with that is to create /etc/apt/apt.conf containing
23:37<bones_was_here>APT { Default-Release "squeeze"; };
23:37<bones_was_here>but there are many other ways (including pinning) which may be better
23:37<rpgdude>bad instructions on the wiki
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23:40<g831>hello
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23:53<nsadmin>rpgdude, I recommend against installing binary packages from versions of debian you don't run
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