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---Logopened Tue Mar 06 00:00:01 2012
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00:19<dommer>hey
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00:19<dommer>trying to get minecraft to work but don't know how to. Someone wanna help me out?
00:19<dommer>Some how get into root?
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00:43<gangstarap>hi- when i type 'ls', it shows a bin file in the working dir, but when i try to run the file it says "No such file or directory". What's up with that?
00:44<sney>current working directory is not normally part of your path
00:44<sney>to run the file you can do ./file
00:44<gangstarap>yah- i do that
00:44<gangstarap>can i paste the output? it's weird
00:44<sney>http://paste.debian.net/ pleas
00:45<gangstarap>http://paste.debian.net/158721/
00:45<gangstarap>wtf?
00:46<sney>what does running 'file' on that installer give you?
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00:46<gangstarap>http://paste.debian.net/158722/
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00:50<gangstarap>any ideas?
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00:50<sney>none, it should be working, is this your own system?
00:50<gangstarap>yah
00:50<gangstarap>i've used unix for years, never seen this
00:51<matt_345>sup all
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00:51<gangstarap>and just last week, i saw "Thou hast new mail" on another system
00:51<sney>could be an incomplete/corrupt download of that installer.
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01:05<gangstarap>no- i dl'ed it twice, and the installer works on another linux box
01:08<scientes>when is debian installer going to allow compress=zlib for btrfs?
01:08<scientes>and is there anyway i can workaround this limitation?
01:09<sney>probably when btrfs is a little more ready for production
01:09<sney>doesn't it still not have a working fsck?
01:09<jm_>you can create a fs manually anyway
01:09<scientes>it does, however it is not released
01:09<jm_>it indeed still doesn't have fsck
01:10<jm_>a general public usable one that is
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01:10<scientes>jm_, yes, but how can i get the installer to mount it with the option compress=zlib?
01:10<jm_>scientes: you can mount it manually
01:10<scientes>cause compression is per-file
01:10<scientes>hmm, anyway i can pause the installer and then do that?
01:11<scientes>can i already started
01:11<sney>you would probably have to put together a custom installer
01:12<scientes>oh geeze
01:12<scientes>its easier to install and then "defragment" (a sd card)
01:12<scientes>to compress everything
01:12<jm_>just use its advanced mode
01:12<scientes>i was using the advanced mode
01:12<scientes>and it allows options on partitions
01:13<scientes>but not compress=zlib
01:13<jm_>it has steps you can skip and do it manually
01:13<scientes>just the typical ext4 ones, like noatime
01:13<scientes>ahh yes
01:13<scientes>i was not in that expert mode, well anyways, i already started, screw it
01:13<scientes>but good to know i could do it
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01:28<kaesar>hey
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02:14<SDX>Out of curiosity, what separates Debian and Fedora so greatly that they need different package management systems?
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02:16<lastwill>Hello
02:17<jm_>i'm sure you'll find some article or whatever on the web explaining the differences between rpm and dpkg
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02:19<SDX>Ah. I'm not sure why I hadn't thought of that.
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02:19<jm_>but as far as I knwo dpkg existed before rpm was born
02:19<jm_>oh well
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02:22<lastwill>I'm wondering if it's worth to move libraries to a remote location and how it can be made.
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02:58<Deltatash>hello, I am wondering if anyone can tell me why Everytime I run virtualbox, I get an error message and I am told to run "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup" in terminal to fix it, running the command fixes it BUT! why does this happen after every reboot?
02:58<Deltatash>the change never seems to stay
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03:01<jm_>it would probably be better to ask in a virtualbox related channel
03:01<Deltatash>hmm ok, I will look for their irc channel
03:01<Deltatash>thanks
03:01<jm_>!virtualbox
03:01<dpkg>VirtualBox is a Free software virtual machine solution from Oracle. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
03:02<jm_>but since it's a script it should be easy to check why it says that
03:02<Deltatash>yeah ?
03:02<arinov>how can i install libreoffice (debian 6)?
03:02<jm_>arinov: backports
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03:03<Deltatash>vbox channel is empty when I do /join £vbox 0_o
03:03<jm_>cd
03:03<jm_>it's on irc.freenode.net, not here
03:03<Deltatash>oh
03:04<jm_>quick look at its init script suggests it should tell you more than just the above line
03:05<Deltatash>sorry this is a really noobish question now but I have not been using Debian for long
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03:05<Deltatash>where does Debian install software to? so I can find vbox script?
03:06<Deltatash>is there any specific place? like windows uses C:\Program Files?
03:06<jm_>this is more about vbox additions, isn't it?
03:06<Sicelo>do `dpkg -L vbox`
03:06<jm_>did you install those?
03:06<Sicelo>:/
03:07<Deltatash>yeah i think i did
03:07<jm_>try doing it manually again - i.e. mount the iso, run /path/to/cd/autorun.sh
03:07<Deltatash>http://pastebin.com/HCunPJv1
03:08<Deltatash>thats from your command Sicelo but I installed the newer version the .deb file form the vbox website so I would have USB support
03:09<jm_>we don't support that one here, but you should have no problem on freenode channel
03:09<Deltatash>ok
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03:10<Deltatash>Whilst I am here though can you tell me the Default install location for programs in Debian? I always have trouble finding it
03:10<jm_>like mentioned above: dpkg -L pkgname
03:10<jm_>binaries typically go in /bin, /usr/bin
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03:12<Deltatash>hmm, ok thanks :)
03:15<scientes>where, dpkg -S, and dpkg -L are SUPER useful commands
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03:15<scientes>*whereis
03:16<Deltatash>*I see
03:16<jm_>indeed
03:16<scientes>wait, i meant dpkg -s
03:16<scientes>like dpkg -s /bin/true
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03:17<scientes>damn its capital
03:17<jm_>no you meant -S :)
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03:31<fixl>what is it with those fetch failed messaged when doing an apt-get update? http://pastebin.com/Yv516DuW
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03:33<streuner_>fixl: maybe its easier if you show us just your sources.list
03:33<gangstarap>op: can you give me voice
03:33<gangstarap>?
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03:34<fixl>streuner_: http://pastebin.com/RE61dr5r
03:35<fixl>nothing fancy really :/
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03:36<streuner_>fixl: deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
03:36<streuner_>fixl: try this instead.
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03:38<streuner_>fixl: make sure you have apt-listbugs && apt-listchanges installed, if you new to testing
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03:39<fixl>streuner_: same errors :/
03:39<fixl>I am experimenting with debian in a virtual machine
03:40<streuner_>dpkg, dbugs 639290
03:40<fixl>even for sid there is an error related to those fetch things .... should i just wait until all the mirrors are synched?
03:40<dpkg>#639290:I[apt] upgrade from squeeze to wheezy fails on i386 (pre-depends loop) (help); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:15:02 UTC [639689 640111 647056 649685]
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03:41<fixl>ok ... how do i do that then? netinstall or something?
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03:41<streuner_>look at the BTS
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03:47<fixl>what to do now? :(
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04:02<user234>using debian testing , how do I get the network manager app in kde (the gui) to run (I can't find it in the menu) - I'm looking for the app in kde that will give me : http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/images/wireless-at-tealuxe.png
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04:04<macfreak>guys, I made a stupid thing...
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04:04<macfreak>root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/false
04:04<user234>allready installed network-manager-kde
04:05<macfreak>in passwd
04:05<macfreak>now root can't log in.
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04:06<macfreak>is the only way to repair it, by starting from live cd and chroot to the system, and correct it ?
04:06<OpenTokix>macfreak: you dont even have to chroot, just mount the /etc filsystem and edit the file
04:07<macfreak>OpenTokix: still need to boot from live cd right?
04:07<OpenTokix>macfreak: yes
04:07<macfreak>thanks
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04:08<user234>anyone about network manager in kde ?
04:08<jm_>maybe try #debian-kde too
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06:01<sergiutux>how cou l i re-enable nouveau after a not so successful attempt to install the nvidia binary drivers ?
06:01<sergiutux>all i did was to blacklist nouveau
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06:02<sergiutux>but i removed it from the blacklist and still no results.
06:03<devil>sergiutux: didyou remove ALL of thr nvidia stuff and your xorg.conf stanza?
06:03<sergiutux>i removed the nvidia stuff with nvidia-installer --uninstall
06:03<devil>sergiutux: and: how did you install nvidia? it works just fine?
06:04<devil>well, that is acrappy way to do it
06:04<devil>why not use the debian packages
06:04<devil>if you need the proprietary driver
06:04<sergiutux>because my gpu is a riva tnt2 :)
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06:05<devil>well, there is nvidia-legacy. no idea how far back
06:05<devil>on the other hand, i am sure, a museum would be happy with that card ;)
06:05<sergiutux>and the only legacy binary i could find was at the nvidia site
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06:05<sergiutux>:))
06:05<devil>there is at least 2different legacy nvidia versions in debian
06:06<sergiutux>yes i now 173.xx and 96.xx
06:06<devil>apt-cache search nvidia
06:06<sergiutux>mine is 71.xx
06:06<devil>right, no idea if they work with riva
06:06<devil>ouch
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06:06<devil>well, if you want nouveau, remove xorg.conf
06:06<babilen>Well, lets find out -- /me opens ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt
06:07<devil>or at least the driver section
06:07<sergiutux>i don't have a xorg.conf
06:07<devil>sergiutux: you should have a stanza for nvidia (maybe edited by the install script)
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06:07<devil>otherwise nvidia driver does not work
06:08<babilen>,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms
06:08<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms on i386 -- sid/non-free: 71.86.15-2
06:08<sergiutux>i thought xorg.conf was from the past, from my understanding X server automatically detects video.
06:08<devil>sergiutux: it is, but nvidia needs the driver section
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06:08<devil>and voila, babilen found your driver
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06:08<babilen>(not in squeeze though)
06:08<devil>oh
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06:09<devil>well, gotta run, good luck
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06:09<sergiutux>thx, nice chatting with you !
06:10<babilen>Hmm, it might be possible to backport that, but I am not sure how much work it'll be. The build-dependencies are satisfied at least -- I would try to install/boot a 3.2 kernel from backports (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) and then follow "/msg dpkg ssb" to backport this package.
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06:10<sergiutux>i think it's not worth it
06:11<sergiutux>the reason i wanted to install the binary driver for such an old card was to get fluid 2D movement on the screen, since nouveau isn't giving me good results
06:11<babilen>sergiutux: All that being said: If you want to use nouveau again you have to remove nvidia specific configuration in your xorg.conf (or better remove xorg.conf completely and make sure that you don't have anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for nvidia as well) -- If you blacklisted nouveau, you might have to remove that blacklist and run "update-initramfs -u" in order to update the initramfs too
06:12<babilen>But that card is old -- It might make sense to spend £10-£20 on a (recent) low-end graphic card. ;)
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06:14<sergiutux>it's not my main box, i just like to revive old stuff with linux sometimes. as a hobby
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06:16<babilen>sergiutux: Yeah, I can understand that :)
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06:17<sergiutux>by the way babilen
06:18<sergiutux>how could i modify the nouveau driver to recognize my monitor properly (refresh rate) since there is no xorg.conf and the detection being made automatically ?
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06:20<babilen>sergiutux: You can create a screen specific configuration snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) that only contains the sections necessary to configure your screen. That way Xorg will automagically configure everything else, but you can still set the refresh rates.
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06:39<enrico_>salve
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06:56<anubis>Hello, i need to cahnge my Mac-Adress for Wlan. I only find instrcutions for ethernet. How can i change it?
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06:56<babilen>anubis: You can use macchanger for that
06:57<babilen>,info macchanger
06:57<judd>Package macchanger (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: utility for manipulating the MAC address of network interfaces. Version: 1.5.0-6; Size: 86.2k; Installed: 312k; Homepage: http://www.alobbs.com/macchanger; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/macchanger
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06:58<macfreak>is it not possible to just bring down the interface
06:58<macfreak>then write ifconfig eth0 hw ether NEW_MAC_ADDRESS
06:58<macfreak>then ifconfig eth0 up
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06:59<babilen>Hmm, what is the proper class for a wireless interface though?
07:00<babilen>ether might just do and is worth a try -- /me always used macchanger though
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07:00<anubis>macchanger seems pretty nice. looks like it is saving original mac too, so i can restore it?
07:01<babilen>Just reload the module
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07:03<Silverscott>Hello tout le monde
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07:06<Silverscott>je galère pour installer Java Runtime sur mon Squeeze qui pourais me guider svp ?
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07:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
07:07<babilen>!tell Silverscott -about install java
07:07<babilen>!tell Silverscott about openjdk
07:08<fr3ak>Hi all, was looking at my partition structure pre setting up software raid and realised that the default partitioning had setup the swap partition on an extended partition which means I can't set it up for raid. Is it safe to swapoff on a running system and repartition? Excuse my ignorance.
07:08<babilen>fr3ak: You can swapoff, but repartitioning should be done from a live cd
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07:09<fr3ak>Ok great
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07:10<fr3ak>Thanks
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07:48<ayaka>about abi, it's something indicate the build software platform
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07:53<SABETUDO>prezados, em outra dist e nos debian mais antigo nao me lembro deste diretorio: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/
07:53<ayaka>about abi, is it something indicate the build software platform
07:53<SABETUDO>passei a enxerga-lo depois q miguei para a versao weezy
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07:54<SABETUDO>tipo, sei q o bitchx morreu, tentei compila-lo e o gcc apresentou diversos erros, tipo na funcao getpeername e na biblioteca sys/stat.h q tem nesse diretorio
07:54<SABETUDO>percebi tbm q /usr/include/sys tbm tem stat.h, mas o gcc aparentemente nao utiliza desse dir e sim do /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys
07:54<jm_>SABETUDO: we use english channel here, try finding language specific one if this is a problem for you
07:54<jm_>-channel
07:55<SABETUDO>ok
07:55<jm_>but perhaps all you are missing is libc6-dev
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07:55<SABETUDO>google translate
07:55<jm_>(or better yet, build-essential)
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08:00<SABETUDO>valued in other distributions or older versions of debian I had never noticed the directory / usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu / ha inside the subdirectory / sys.
08:00<SABETUDO>I know bitchx died, but when trying to compile it gcc presented several errors in the function getpeername (socket) and various library functions / usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/stat.h.
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08:00<SABETUDO>I know bitchx died, but when trying to compile it gcc presented several errors in the function getpeername (socket) and various library functions / usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/stat.h.
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08:01<SABETUDO>I found that the alleged default directory / usr / include blibliteca there is also this way in / usr / include / sys / stat.h but gcc does not use this, but the library subdirectory / usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu.
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08:01<SABETUDO>ex: cdcc.o: In function `stat':
08:01<SABETUDO>/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/stat.h:456: multiple definition of `stat'
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08:04<jm_>I see no package owning /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/stat.h - what does "dpkg -S /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/stat.h" say? no pasting here
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08:07<jm_>and it looks like p.d.o search for unstable is borked
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08:08<artz>hi.. how to determine problem on local network fileserver? it cancels sftp connections on bigger load - over 1000 files....
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08:12<SABETUDO>jm_: any library within the directory this command x86 [dpkg-S file] provides the answer: libc6-dev: / usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/stat.h
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08:13<jm_>SABETUDO: ok and what does 'dpkg --print-architecture' say?
08:14<SABETUDO>jm_: have for any library in the supposed default directory / usr / include the same command returns: dpkg-query: matching pattern found in path / usr / include / sys / stat.h.
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08:14<SABETUDO>return: amd64
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08:15<ayaka>artz how many users at the same time?
08:15<jm_>SABETUDO: and lsb_release -a?
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08:17<SABETUDO>jm_: No LSB modules are available: Distributor ID: Debian, Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (wheezy), Release: testing, Codename: wheezy.
08:18<jm_>SABETUDO: ok it's indeed like that in wheezy
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08:23<SABETUDO>jm_: Ok, so far I have not had any problem to compile some programs wezzy this version, for example the nvidia driver where I need to reinstall every time I update the kernel and the virtualbox driver. The problem was, until now, only in bitchx, it must be because he's too old and outdated. Laughter. I will try to recompile apache and stuff.
08:25<SABETUDO>jm_: But what is the version wezzy, this error gcc or presented by this new directory / usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu?
08:25<jm_>SABETUDO: yeah perhaps try compiling something newer; you might also want to ask in #debian-next
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08:26<jm_>SABETUDO: I don't understand your question - which is your native language? no offence, but to me it sounded like portugese
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08:29<SABETUDO>jm_: you said that my error is because the version is wezzy anyway, so I was with doubt, this directory was created / gcc usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu is new and work with it for certain libraries?
08:30<jm_>SABETUDO: no, I just confirmed that the file you mentioned is in the libc6-dev package in wheezy - I don't know why this error is printed, but searching for it may yield more clues
08:31<jm_>SABETUDO: it looks standard for version of libc6-dev in wheezy, perhaps its changelog file mentions something
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08:32<SABETUDO>jm_: I am Brazilian and speak Portuguese, English technical text I understand part of our computer science, largely because of linux that had previously only material in English, but I can not write, speak and understand another person speaking.
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08:32<petemc>why do you want to compile an obsolete, bug ridden irc client?
08:33<jm_>!br
08:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:35<SABETUDO>petemc: When I was younger, bitchx irc client was my favorite because of scripts. I was a little away from irc because of new technologies such as facebook and twitter, but I'm coming back little by little, like, once a week. laughs. I compiled the client Irssi, but the command window I found it easier to bitchx.
08:36<petemc>i use the debian packaged irssi and find it very usable
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08:36<petemc>you can probably get a bitchx package from debian archive
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08:37<babilen>As do I -- http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi discusses some nice customization (atrocious theme though)
08:37<SABETUDO>jm_: The guys that channel of Brazil seems only active at night, here are 10h37m (am), and they should be working and, I believe, not aprestando attention to what's going on irc. laughs. I should be working, but I'm enjoying the last week of vacation.
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08:38<SABETUDO>jm_: Anyway thank you for attention to me. I will try to find the release notes mentioned that package for you.
08:38<babilen>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451373 (removed for a number of good reasons)
08:39<jm_>SABETUDO: no worries
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08:39<babilen>SABETUDO: I really wouldn't recommend to use bitchx -- Use irssi or weechat (terminal) or quassel, xchat, ... (gui)
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08:40<SABETUDO>petemc: official repository there is no more bitchx. laughs. at least apt-get can not find it.
08:40<petemc>its in the archive
08:40<petemc>http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.2/main/binary-i386/net/bitchx_1.0-0c16-2.deb
08:40<petemc>you shouldnt use it tho
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08:43<SABETUDO>babilen: ok, I will read what it is that site. earned.
08:43<SABETUDO>babilen: i use irssi, ctcp version :)
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08:44<OpenTokix>How can anyone recommend bitchx, when there is irssi =)
08:44<petemc>no one is recommending
08:44<petemc>it
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08:46<SABETUDO>by
08:47<SABETUDO>tanks
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09:18<emmathesaint>Hi! I have a problem with grub, can somebody help me?
09:18<emmathesaint>it's really easy, I've installed debian
09:18<babilen>emmathesaint: sure, but you might want to provide more details :)
09:18<emmathesaint>great! thanks!!
09:19<emmathesaint>I have windows vista on my pc, and I've installed Debian 6.0
09:19<emmathesaint>everything perfect, but when I boot
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09:20<emmathesaint>in the list of grub only appears debian
09:20<emmathesaint>not vista
09:20<emmathesaint>what could be the problem?
09:20<babilen>emmathesaint: Make sure that you have os-prober installed (apt-get install os-prober) and run "update-grub2"
09:20<babilen>emmathesaint: Could you paste the output of those commands to http://paste.debian.net ?
09:21<emmathesaint>excellent! Will do that!
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09:21<emmathesaint>now I'm not at my pc
09:21<ayaka>update-grub
09:21<emmathesaint>but I will as soon as I return from work
09:21<babilen>emmathesaint: Ok - Note that you have to run those command as root.
09:21<emmathesaint>excellent
09:21<ayaka>emmathesint do that
09:21<emmathesaint>with sudo command?
09:22<babilen>Good luck -- And it is typically easier to help you if you have access to the box in question. :)
09:22<emmathesaint>ahhh, ok!! thanks a lot!!!!
09:22<emmathesaint>I appreciate your help!
09:22<babilen>emmathesaint: Yeah, sudo would work, but is not necessarily installed on a fresh Debian system. You can become root by running "su -" as well.
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09:22<emmathesaint>perfect!!
09:23<babilen>emmathesaint: If you want to install/use sudo and it is in fact not installed yet, just run "apt-get install sudo ; adduser YOURUSER sudo" and relogin. (replace YOURUSER with your user's name)
09:24<emmathesaint>excellent, that in case that sudo is not installed, great!
09:24<emmathesaint>thanks a lot for your help! I'm migrating to debian
09:24<babilen>Have fun and enjoy your stay
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09:24<emmathesaint>and it's good to know that there's people that can give you a hand!
09:24<nirmy>welcome to the World of Opensource
09:24<emmathesaint>thanks!!!
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09:25<emmathesaint>thanks!!!
09:25<babilen>!tell emmathesaint -about reference
09:25<babilen>!tell emmathesaint -about introduction
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09:25<babilen>!tell emmathesaint -about general cli tutorial
09:25<adissa>prica li neko Bosanski
09:26<babilen>emmathesaint: Our bot (dpkg) just sent you some links/pointers to good documentation you might want to read in due course. I also recommend the free sample chapter on http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/ that discusses package management on Debian.
09:26<emmathesaint>great! I've just readed the remarks in dpkg
09:26<emmathesaint>I'll follow the steps indicated there
09:26<emmathesaint>thanks again!!
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09:40<nocturnal>if I accidentally run apt-get upgrade with backports and sid in my sources, can I just remove them and do another update & upgrade to fix potential issues?
09:40<nocturnal>I guess that's a very broad question since I don't even know if it caused issues
09:40<nocturnal>but I just want to make sure I revert back to the original state.
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09:45<babilen>nocturnal: If you installed packages from sid you can, most likely, not revert or downgrade to stable.
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09:46<Taskasker>I hate my work.
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09:46<babilen>Taskasker: You might be looking for #moocows or another offtopic channel. Feel free to ask any Debian related question in here though.
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09:51<jaime>j
09:51<jaime>hola
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09:51<jaime>hola???
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09:52<Ganneff>!es
09:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:52<nirmy>Taskasker: always love what u do
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10:06<ratnick>how are debian and lsb posix related?
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10:09<ayaka>what is abi, is it indicate the build platform?
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10:10<daemonkeeper>ratnick: You might need to elaborate to get a sensible answer.
10:11<ratnick>"Application Binary Interface
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10:14<ratnick>platform compliant binaries
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10:14<ratnick>application interface with OS
10:15<daemonkeeper>That's wrong.
10:15<ratnick>Foldoc
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10:19<ratnick>"
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10:21<someonelost>wanna say sorry for investigation for rootkit it's just torrent client leaves a tail the networks, bay ppl
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10:28<petrol91>boost
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10:28<petrol91>sory mis click
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12:10<macfreak>hi guys
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12:10<retrospectacus>hi macfreak
12:10<macfreak>im trying to understand how to configure apache www correctly
12:10<macfreak>im using openpanel front-end on debian
12:11<retrospectacus>you edit the files in /etc/apache2
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12:11<retrospectacus>using "openpanel" is not how to configure apache www correctly
12:11<macfreak>the folder public_html is group: amercom and user : amercom
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12:12<macfreak>well...
12:12<macfreak>sorry bout that
12:12<retrospectacus>macfreak: you mean the folder ~amercom/public_html ?
12:12<macfreak>yes
12:12<retrospectacus>go on...
12:12*babilen whispers directory </pedantic>
12:13<retrospectacus>;)
12:13<macfreak>wait 2 sec
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12:13<macfreak>tlf call
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12:17<macfreak>so I have a FTP account and upload a webpage "prestashop"
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12:18<macfreak>and prestashop asks to correct many folders to 777
12:18<ansgar>I call that broken software.
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12:19<ansgar>Or at least broken documentation.
12:19<macfreak>ha !
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12:19<macfreak>usually it's not a problem to quickly install it
12:19<macfreak>but why should I correct all these folders...
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12:20<macfreak>afaik user and group is amercom and amercom, and www service runs as nobody
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12:20<macfreak>so if I set chown -R nobody on the public_html folder
12:20-!-cesar [~cesar@17.102.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #debian
12:20<macfreak>then all files disappear from my ftp client
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12:20<retrospectacus>macfreak: what's your question?
12:21<Xaker>hi
12:21<macfreak>what to do to be able to see the files in ftp, AND not should have to correct permissions to 777 on most of the folders in the prestashop installation
12:22<macfreak>usually I correct them to 775, but 777 ????!!!
12:22<Xaker>anebody here?
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12:23<Xaker>peaple?
12:23<retrospectacus>macfreak: chown -R amercom:www-data and chmod 775 on the directories in question. apache2 should be running as www-data on debian iirc
12:23<gnugr>macfreak:files in /var/www must be as "www-data:www-data" so they can run
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12:23<retrospectacus>Xaker: yes we read you... please just ask your debian question
12:24<Xaker>i am understand but i am speak russion and it is hurd forr me speak english
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12:25<retrospectacus>Xaker: you're doing OK, there is also a russian channel though if you prefer
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12:26<Xaker>ok but have to go see later, i am very glad to speak with you
12:26<retrospectacus>Xaker: have a good day
12:26<macfreak>where can I check what apache runs as ?
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12:27<retrospectacus>macfreak: ps ax
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12:27<retrospectacus>macfreak: ps aux
12:27<retrospectacus>www-data 27002 0.0 0.3 36392 8196 ? S Mar04 0:01 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
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12:35<emmathesaint>Hi! who can recommend me a good free game for linux? or a website where I can download them
12:35<kop>!tell emmathesaint about search
12:36<kop>emmathesaint: I like searching with debtags.
12:36<sney>I always see people asking about cube3d, I guess that's a free fps of some sort
12:36<kop>emmathesaint: You'll have to ask in more detail, or somebody will recommend adventure.
12:36<themill>frozen bubble!
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12:37*kop is a wumpus man himself.
12:37<sney>I once set up an account on a server I had with the shell set to /usr/games/wump
12:37<macfreak>2 sec
12:38<sney>so everyone could enjoy hunt the wumpus.
12:38<macfreak>it says: /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
12:38<SynrG>a wumpus man! mutant
12:39<macfreak>but doesn't state user it runs as
12:39<macfreak>maybe Ill check the config files
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12:39<nocturnal>emmathesaint: nethack
12:40<nocturnal>sney: for a couple of years I had a Sun UltraSparc IIi setup with a nethack account using only vi, bash scripting and freebsd facilities to allow users to login, create their own nethack user to play with and their own .nethackrc over ssh.
12:40<retrospectacus>macfreak: yes, it does. ps aux
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12:41<macfreak>I did as you wrote 1st time ps ax then added pipe and grep apache
12:41<sney>a IIi? well, that's about all one of those would be good for.
12:41<macfreak>but will try ps aux
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12:41<nocturnal>sney: it lives to this day though the high pitched noise it makes when booted up is unbearable.
12:41<retrospectacus>macfreak: that was a typo, I immediately corrected myself
12:42<macfreak>www-data
12:42<macfreak>correct
12:42<macfreak>:)
12:42<macfreak>I was a fast reader and slow typer
12:43*retrospectacus goes to get more coffee
12:43<kop>Somewhere I have a link to what looked like a cool puzzle game that was free-or-$10 and looked Dr. Suess-y. Wasn't free so isn't in the repos.
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12:44<macfreak>Im tired: now it says: chmod: invalid mode: `amercom:www-data'
12:45<kop>macfreak: chown?
12:45<macfreak>like I said, must be tired
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12:45<emmathesaint>thanks!!!
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12:47<retrospectacus>macfreak: here, have some coffee
12:47<macfreak>retrospectacus: thx :P
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13:05<vrkalak>switching computers
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14:01<conlan>Hello, I'm trying different irc client but whenever I launch mirc with wine my sound server seems to crash and I have to type this command : http://pastebin.com/YJyfm8nk, could someone help me launching mirc without the sound server to crash ?
14:02<weasel>really.
14:02<weasel>if you want mirc on a linux box you're doing something wrong. Wrong.
14:02<retrospectacus>...don't use mirc
14:02<retrospectacus>!mirc
14:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html, or sucks festering dog balls
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14:03<conlan>ok thank you for your help
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14:06<gianluca>ciao
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14:11<Sicelo>lol.. i have a friend that swears by mirc, even though he uses linux :P
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14:28<jenablinsky>hey guys
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14:28<mgmyo>hi
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15:00<cpatrick08>is the squeeze-backports repo is down or is it just me
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15:02<cpatrick08>my sources.list http://pastebin.com/H99hAjC9
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15:05<retrospectacus>cpatrick08: it's just you
15:06<cpatrick08>ok thanks is my sources.list wrong
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15:08<retrospectacus>lines 5 and 6 are missing the release
15:09<cpatrick08>thanks
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15:11<wayne_>hello folks
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15:11<cpatrick08>hi wayne_
15:11<wayne_>i am looking for a command that will provide a list of packages that i have chosen to install since the original system installation
15:11<cpatrick08>retrospectacus, i changed the lines and when i do the apt-get update i get following error message : Failed to fetch http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/dists/main/contrib/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found
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15:12<wayne_>(i am reading man pages now, just thought i would ask here also)
15:12<mee>wayne_: /var/log/apt/history.log might be helpful
15:13<wayne_>so far i think dpkg --get-selections might work
15:13<wayne_>thanks mee
15:13<themill>cpatrick08: that line in your sources list is quite wrong then
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15:14<ComradeHaz`>Good evening all. I thought I had smartd monitoring and automatically scanning my HDD smart status' but it appears it has not been working. I have the following line in /etc/smartd.conf: DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9 -W 5 -m root -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner -s (S/../.././01|L/../../7/03). Is that ok? If so, does smartd need to be set to start on boot or does it by default?
15:15<adb>dists/main/ or ...contrib , not both
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15:15<adb>cpatrick08, ^^
15:16<cpatrick08>yea
15:16<adb>hi acu007 ;)
15:16<themill>actually, you wouldn't have "dists" in your sources.list at all
15:17<acu007>adb :) hello
15:17<adb>themill, thats too .. thx
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15:19<acu007>I run debian wheezy and qemu-kvm libvirt - and try to install as virtual machine - either wheezy or squeeze - but the installation process get stalled during the install of the virtual machine - I do not know why is that - any suggestion where to look at ? - I still do not know whether is the host - guest or whatever - I think is this computer only which gives me this problems -
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15:21<lantius>hi, is there any libreoffice channel? I am trying to edit spanish dictionary module, but i don't see how I can do it.
15:22<acu007>lantius the libreoffice channel is in freenode
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15:24<lantius>thank you acu007
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15:27<cpatrick08>got it fixed
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15:29<ComradeHaz`>Good evening all. I thought I had smartd monitoring and automatically scanning my HDD smart status' but it appears it has not been working. I have the following line in /etc/smartd.conf: DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9 -W 5 -m root -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner -s (S/../.././01|L/../../7/03). Is that ok? If so, does smartd need to be set to start on boot or does it by default?
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15:31<derickx>a shame that reportbug is crashing
15:32<derickx>damn
15:32<derickx>have to write all the stuff again? motivating :)
15:32<Xaker>how can i play flash?
15:32<ComradeHaz`>!flash
15:32<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
15:33<Xaker>adobe flash
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15:33<streuner>Xaker, /msg dpkg adobe flash
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15:34<ComradeHaz`>Sorry, I should have !told him
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15:35<Xaker>i meant some repo
15:35<streuner>Xaker, non-free
15:36<streuner>Xaker, maybe its that what you want, /msg dpkg non-free
15:36<Xaker>yes i leav in ukrain i dont car
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15:37<gnugr>Xaker: try "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound"
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15:37<Xaker>i need repo for install flash
15:37<Xaker>ok
15:38<streuner>judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree
15:38<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3
15:38<streuner>Xaker, please read <non-free> (factoid) again.
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15:39<Xaker>in your country its very bad non free?
15:40<retrospectacus>flash player is in contrib ^^
15:41<streuner>Xaker, ok, you heard what retrospectacus told us, just add contrib to your soures.list then
15:41<streuner>!contrib
15:41<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [squeeze|wheezy|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
15:41<retrospectacus>non-free is about software freedom. Countries have nothing to say about it. For software with patent issues, see <dmm>
15:41<Xaker>ok
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15:43<Xaker>i just intresting in your country can you dounload from internet some film movi
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15:44<retrospectacus>we are from all over the world... not a debian question anyways
15:44<streuner>it shouldnt be a problem, if you talking about youtube
15:44<streuner>in most cases
15:44<Xaker>no youtube some torrent
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15:45<streuner>well, not in my country, germany, of course
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15:46<Xaker>but how dos they will now about
15:47<streuner>via IP
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15:47<Xaker>bat in ukrain can dounload everising yuo wish
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15:49<devil>Xaker: we are not interrested
15:49<Xaker>i jusr whant make my englesh good
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15:49<retrospectacus>Xaker: you can chat in #moocows - this channel is for support only
15:49<devil>Xaker: maybe #debian-offtopic is a better place
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15:50<Xaker>i understand
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16:14<erespond>hallo, am have forget password mysql and phpmyadmin and how i can remove total and install it again, with new password and newmysql
16:14<erespond>hallo, am have forget password mysql and phpmyadmin and how i can remove total and install it again, with new password and newmysql
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16:15<retrospectacus>erespond: no need to reinstall
16:15<retrospectacus>!forgot mysql root password
16:15<dpkg>If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>.
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16:15<erespond>retrospectacus, so how can i get back it
16:16<retrospectacus>like dpkg just said
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16:35<AnTiC>hi guys how can i enable bash-completion for root (via sudo -s) ?
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16:45<webrunner1981>hi
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16:56<h00ked>hi, i have problem with nfs. it works well, but i cant write (copy files on nfs server) - it looks like mounted only for root, but on simple user, I cant mount it... any idea?
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16:59<retrospectacus>hi ho
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17:18<h00ked>ok so... this channel is helpfully like vodafone... if you have problem - solve it by yourself.... scarry, but have solutions.... :D
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17:18<devil>h00ked: did you check bugreports?
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17:19<liveuser>Hello
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17:23<liveuser>installed Debian as a net install from a USB drive
17:23<liveuser> I noted that on installation the drive was coming up as sda with the SATA drives listed after.
17:23<liveuser>Upon reboot I get no menus or prompts just a flashing cursor
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17:24<DebDisciple>How can I diagnose what went wrong?
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17:29<DebDisciple>I'm currently booted into another live environment on the same machine
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17:40<JJCale>hi all
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17:41<JJCale>sorry for the stupid question, but how can I go back to the begining of a video on smplayer? I can only move some seconds or minutes back!
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17:46<JJCale>I'm on preferences -> interface -> seeking, but there I can only change the period time of rewind (and only to a maximum of 59 minutes! Am I stupid or there's something very strange with smplayer?
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17:47<retrospectacus>I think PgDn
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17:47*Hrobar *
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17:48<vishal>hh
17:49<JJCale>retrospectacus : Page Down only rewinds the video for the period of time selected on "preferences -> interface -> seeking (and so for a maximum of 59 minutes...)
17:49<vishal>hi there
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17:54<JJCale>retrospectacus : correction: for 59 minutes and 50 seconds :)
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18:12<amanda>hi, I just installed debian, but my screen is huge, and when I go into settings, there is only one resolution available, 640x480, this is way to big
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18:12<JJCale>how can I play the video on more time, after it reshead the end, on smplayer?
18:13<JJCale>how can I play the video one more time, after it reshead the end, on smplayer?
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18:19<JJCale>on vlc I just need to press the Space key. Am I missing many things or smplayer simply sucks?
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18:20<amanda>hi, I dont get sound?
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18:21<streuner>amanda: did you get sound before?
18:21<JJCale>And how can I start a video file with smplayer without it starting to automatically play the file? On vlc there is a option for that!!
18:21<amanda>streuner, no, fresh install
18:21<themill>JJCale: no need to keep repeating. If someone knows they will answer. (If vlc does what you want, why not just use vlc?)
18:22<retrospectacus>JJCale: we are here to support debian, not smplayer... if no one answers, no one knows
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18:25<JJCale>themill : I'm asking diferent questions, none of which got a response :( There's a bug on vlc that affects me, that's whay I'm asking for help with smplayer! But if no one knows how to solve those basic questions about smplayer then this program is nothing but a bad joke :(
18:25<amanda>my pcm sound keeps muting itself, I open the xfce4-mixer, and unmute it, close it, and then open it again, and the pcm volume is muted again
18:26<themill>JJCale: why do you suppose that anyone in this channel uses smplayer at all?
18:26<Phoenix>amanda: try using the shell and opening alsamixer.
18:26<JJCale>retrospectacus : Ok, I'm starting to see that I have to fill a bunch of bug reports about this smplayer joke
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18:27<themill>(vlc has 8× the number of installations than smplayer if that helps you understand...)
18:27<JJCale>themill: because is based on mplayer and is the most used media player on linux
18:27<amanda>Phoenix, in alsamixer, the volume of pcm is full blast into the red, and I when I try to adjust it, it doesn't budge
18:27<Phoenix>it should say 00, not mm.
18:27<themill>JJCale: sure, but you're asking questions about the user interface. And the user interface of smplayer is completely different to the other *mplayer variants.
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18:27<JJCale>themill: so I was worng about the popularity of smplayer. Thanks for the correction
18:27<retrospectacus>JJCale: I use mplayer, not smplayer... it works great for me but I never feel any need to go back to the beginning, nor restart a video... up enter works fine
18:28<JJCale>I mean... I was wrong
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18:29<retrospectacus>also missing a certain feature that vlc has, is not a bug
18:29<amanda>you think it is disabled in bios?
18:29<Phoenix>no.
18:29<amanda>Phoenix, what else could it be then
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18:30<Phoenix>i would guess the paranormal activity of X is getting in the way.
18:30<JJCale>retrospectacus: it misses many basic functions present on any media player known by mankind...
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18:31<retrospectacus>JJCale: maybe, but that is not a bug
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18:32<themill>Didn't the "s" in smplayer used to stand for "simple"?
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18:33<JJCale>themill: now it stands for "strange"
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18:33<themill>Just because it's not to your tastes doesn't mean it's wrong or buggy.
18:33<amanda>my video is only 640x480, am I stuck with that?
18:33<amanda>is there anything I could do?
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18:34<retrospectacus>amanda: use a better video driver. What's your video card?
18:35<retrospectacus>amanda: but please focus on one problem at a time. Sound or video :)
18:35<JJCale>amanda: and what version of debian are you running? sqeeze?
18:35<amanda>Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]
18:35<amanda>Debian 6, squeeze
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18:36<JJCale>amanda: could you install hwinfo ?
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18:37<amanda>JJCale, its intel video
18:37<amanda>JJCale, 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]
18:37<JJCale>amanda: then you could see the results of <hwinfo --gfxcard>
18:37<amanda>JJCale, oh, I seeee, ,ok
18:37<themill>that's 8086:2562
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18:38<JJCale>amnda: I don't know the specs of that graphics card but it should permit way more than 640x480 !
18:38<amanda>JJCale, as root, I should run it?
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18:39<amanda>JJCale, that's what I am thinking too, at least 1024, even 800, but 640, woow
18:39<JJCale>amanda: hwinfo must be run as root
18:39<amanda>JJCale, so what do I run then "hwinfo --gfxcard"?
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18:40<JJCale>amanda: you could try creating a xorg .conf file
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18:40<amanda>JJCale, nothing else
18:41<themill>amanda: do you know what sort of chipset you've got there by any chance? (arrandale, sandybridge, ...)
18:41<amanda>themill,
18:41<alfplayer>amanda: what monitor/display is connected?
18:41<JJCale>amanda: you run <hwinfo --gfxcard> to know the specs about your graphics card
18:41<amanda>themill, Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]
18:41<alfplayer>that's very popular
18:42<JJCale>themill: hwinfo gives the chipset information
18:42<amanda>i845
18:42<themill>this isn't actually helping though...
18:42<JJCale>amanda: are you running gnome?
18:42*themill suspects a kernel and xorg from backports is required
18:42<amanda>xfce4
18:43<alfplayer>amanda: what monitor/display is connected?
18:43<alfplayer>what kind of?
18:43<amanda>acer
18:43<alfplayer>notebook? external monitor? what?
18:43<amanda>external
18:44<alfplayer>CRT?
18:44<alfplayer>is it a tube monitor?
18:45<amanda>lcd
18:45<JJCale>amanda: do yoy have xserver-xorg-video-all installed ?
18:45<alfplayer>amanda: what size?
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18:46<amanda>JJCale, hmm, dunno, I just did apt-get install xfce4 and apt-get install gdm
18:46<alfplayer>i'm pretty sure it needs "intel" driver
18:46<alfplayer>i'd check if it's installed
18:47<amanda>Doesn't the stock kernal come built with all the drivers?
18:47<alfplayer>amanda: i don't think so
18:47<JJCale>amanda: install firmware-linux-nonfree or xserver-xorg-video-intel
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18:48<amanda>and then rebooot?
18:48<JJCale>amanda: if that does not solve the problem, then try this: install package firmware-linux-nonfree
18:48<alfplayer>i think you need the second one only
18:49<themill>amanda: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for us?
18:49<themill>dpkg: tell amanda about pastebin
18:49<JJCale>amanda: first install xserver-xorg-video-all or xserver-xorg-video-intel
18:49<alfplayer>and reboot is probably not necessary
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18:49<JJCale>amanda: if that does not solve the problem, tehn try firmware-linux-nonfree
18:50<JJCale>amanda: but I think you graphics card chipset does not need firmware-linux-nonfree
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18:53<amanda>themill, http://pastebin.com/GstEpAHx
18:53<JJCale>amanda: before trying to rebbot you can simply restart de X server
18:54<alfplayer>yeah, vesa is limited
18:54<amanda>JJCale, first one is already installed, I am installing the second one now, and then I'll reboot X then and see, so brb
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18:56<JJCale>amanda: ok, good luck
18:57<amanda>themill, any ideas from the pastebin ?
18:57<themill>amanda: I still suspect you need both kernel and xorg from backports. /msg dpkg bdo kernel; /msg dpkg bdo xorg
18:59<amanda>ok, let me see if the firmware I installed worked, otherwise I will try the backports then, brb
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19:02<JJCale>themill : amanda could simply install a newer kernel from testing
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19:02<themill>no, you'd be better of using the kernel from backports instead.
19:03<themill>Also, the newer intel chips are known to be a bit icky with xorg in squeeze
19:03<JJCale>themill : some apt-pining you know...
19:03<themill>no... backports exists for a reason
19:04<themill>also, you'll be unable to compile out-of-tree modules against the kernel from testing
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19:05<JJCale>themill: I think she wouldn't need to compile anything...
19:05<amanda>yep its working now, not sure if it was the firmware package that did it or the reboot, but its working good now, thanks guys
19:05<amanda>thx JJCale themill
19:05<JJCale>here comes amanda with 1024x768 or more resolution
19:05<JJCale>I knew it :)
19:06<themill>JJCale: as long as wireless driver isn't needed or the user doesn't want virtualbox or ...; mixing testing and stable is a crazy thing to do at the best of times and is utterly idiotic when the same package exists in backports.
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19:09<JJCale>themill: with the correct apt-pinning configuration I don't think it is a crazy thing. That said I think that missing testing and sid is better than missing stable with testing
19:09<JJCale>missing = mixing
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19:10<themill>there is no correct pinning that allows you to install linux-headers packages from testing in stable.
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19:11<themill>pinning is a dirty hack that you shouldn't go anywhere near when you're running stable... and people who encourage new users to mix stable and testing are making life hard for other people in the channel who will end up having to pick up the pieces later on when it all breaks
19:12<JJCale>themill: why do you need linux-headers? in order to recompile the kernel????
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19:12<themill>no, to be able to install anything like an nvidia or fglrx driver, virtualbox, ...
19:13<JJCale>themill: my system was installed more than 7 years ago.... I've never had any problems! I'm always in testing
19:13<JJCale>themill: proprietary drivers???? only fools install proprietary video drivers, my friend
19:13<themill>testing != stable. Seriously... please do *not* recommend people mix stable and testing.
19:13<themill>also, out of tree != proprietary.
19:14<JJCale>themill: I recommend people to mix testing with a bit of sid
19:14<themill>and also, do not recommend testing to new users here, unless you also give them your phone number and offer 24h/day free support for them
19:15<dontput>............
19:15<JJCale>themill: once upon a time I was a new user... And I started using testing from the very begining!
19:16<themill>you're either lucky or considerably more clueful than the average in #d then
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19:16<JJCale>and that system is the one I'm using to chat here... the same computer, only with a differetnt graphics card...
19:17<JJCale>different
19:17<JJCale>I've never had to reinstall or format
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19:43<amitz>yes, suspicious choice of word, which implies a non familiarity when familiarity is expected. there, i said what some of you are thinking right now ;-)
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19:48<Phoenix>i wasn't thinking that. :(
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20:44<momscomputer>Help.. Im trying to use my Immersion Talk Now language cd with Ubuntu but it isn't working?? I have allowed to run as program in the properties but it still doesn't work.. also, it was already checked
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21:10<amanda>hi, I wanted to add a harddrive, so I used fdisk to create the partition, then I used mkfs.ext3, and formatted it, then I added this line to /etc/fstab /dev/sdb1 /home/amanda/extraDrive ext3 defaults 0 2
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21:10<amanda>Problem is I can't write to the disk as regular use
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21:15<robbiethe1st>You can always run 'chown amanda /home/amanda/extraDrive -r'
21:15<robbiethe1st>as root
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21:15<amanda>robbiethe1st, thx
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21:16<robbiethe1st>it work?
21:17<amanda>robbiethe1st, thx, well with out the -r it worked
21:18<robbiethe1st>You'd only need that if you had files inside it that were owned by root aswell
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21:26<Golfgeo>Hi all :)
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21:27<Golfgeo>Have a cpu detecting problem... Got a client PC here and need to set things in the BIOS... But for the life of my I can't find out what Pentium 4 chip is in the thing...
21:29<Golfgeo>lshw states it is running at 2666 but has a max of 3066 mHz and sees a hyperthreading core of which the second pipeline is disabled...
21:29<Golfgeo>Can I find out what CPU I have from the command line?
21:30<Golfgeo>or grapical tool...
21:30<robbiethe1st>Well, erm... it's a P4.
21:30<Golfgeo>haha
21:30<Golfgeo>Need to set busspeed, multiplier and etc in the Bios...
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21:30<Golfgeo>So I need to get the proper specs from intel
21:31<Golfgeo>and since I'm not sure what this one is..
21:31<Golfgeo>Might as well be a 3.06 hyperthreading one eh
21:31<robbiethe1st>It's likely a Northwood.
21:32<Golfgeo>seems to be
21:32<robbiethe1st>so don't push the voltage too far...
21:32<Golfgeo>idd
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21:34<Golfgeo>if needbe I'll pull the CPU, but since I don't like to do the thermal paste I was hoping to get a linux tool to readout the cpu
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21:35<robbiethe1st>Well, if CPU-z can do it on windows...
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21:35<robbiethe1st>try using google
21:36<jbangert>I have issues booting Debian 6 on Bochs. With a premade disk image from QEMU, it never finds the root fs (nothing appears in /dev). With a fresh install, the installer doesn't find the CDROM
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22:06<jbangert>I have issues booting Debian 6 on Bochs. With a premade disk image from QEMU, it never finds the root fs (nothing appears in /dev). With a fresh install, the installer doesn't find the CDROM (just loops). Is there anything I can do to support the emulated (probably really old) IDE controller?>
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22:08<ayaka>jbanget can you paste your lspci output
22:11<alfplayer>is there a point in using Bochs?
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22:15<ayaka>sorry, i mess up
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22:20<jbangert>alfplayer: I am modifying the linux VM system and want to single step instructions
22:21<alfplayer>jbangert: oh, sorry, i was asking in case you are noob that doesn't know about virtualbox and the like
22:21<jbangert>ayaka: InitRD does not contain lspci, but /proc/bus/pci/devices is empty
22:22<jbangert>alfplayer: I am open to suggestions, but QEMU sadly does not support the PCID (= TLB tagging for fast context switches, what I am developing)
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22:23<alfplayer>jbangert: sorry, that's way above me
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22:26<jbangert>alfplayer: It was way above me two weeks ago ;) And bochs is still above me
22:27<jbangert>Does anyone have experience on getting 64 bit debian to work on ancient hardware?
22:27<jbangert>(I.e. bochs)
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22:31<ayaka>but except bochs, which machine will have old ide controller in,amd64
22:33<jbangert>ayaka: Probably none. I was asking if anyone has used bochs before (for example the people who developed amd64 before hardware was available, other kernel devs)
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22:43<ayaka>i see, i'm sorry, i have no idea
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22:54<m0rtis0000>question about vino-server
22:55<m0rtis0000>tho it might be gnome specific. nm.
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23:05*asr33 tries to express his love for Debian through interpretive dance :))
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23:10<backbox>hello
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23:12<Phoenix>i got my mouse. yay.
23:12<Phoenix>sup backbox.
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