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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-03-08

---Logopened Thu Mar 08 00:00:39 2012
00:03<ayaka>yes, but which crypt does it use?
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00:06<retrospectacus>if the encrypted password starts with $6$ as mine does, it's SHA512
00:06<ayaka>retrospectacus if i crypt home and they want file in it, they still need passwd
00:07<retrospectacus>yes, must it be *that* password?
00:07<ayaka>512bit is not enough, can i change it to 1024bit
00:07<retrospectacus>i.e can't you encrypt $HOME with a different password?
00:08<ayaka>retrospectacus i don't know it, i never use crypt home in debian, because the bad memory in ubuntu
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00:12<retrospectacus>I don't believe SHA1024 exists
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00:15<ayaka>so biggest long is 512, how about rsa, is it safer
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00:15<ayaka>and aes
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00:16<retrospectacus>those are for encryption, not hashing
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00:17<ayaka>retrospectacus what is different, hash is reduce date, crypt can keep date?
00:17<retrospectacus>passwd has hashes... they are digests, not reversible (supposed to be)
00:17<ayaka>i see
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00:19<ayaka>then i hear that dsa is unsafety, but why sourceforge still use it
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00:23<Federaty>Olá galera, sou usuário debian, mais to precisando trocas umas ideias sobre o funcionamento de alguns ataques em servers, alguem sabe me dizer um canal irc de segurança ?
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00:24<Federaty>?
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00:25<retrospectacus>ayaka: dsa is not bad, and I don't know
00:25<retrospectacus>Federaty: what language?
00:25<ayaka>Federaty language
00:26<ayaka>retrospectacus thank you
00:26<Federaty>Brazil, PT-br
00:26<retrospectacus>!br
00:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:26<retrospectacus>Federaty: also server irc.freenode.net
00:26<Federaty>ok, Sorry, Thanks..
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00:30<ayaka>can i set root in any device in /dev and use that path in boot?
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04:17<ankidu> jkul
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04:26<crazy_mangust>Hi
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04:27<crazy_mangust>Congratulations whit 8th of march
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04:34<Maulkin>crazy_mangust: Can we help at all?
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04:46<crazy_mangust>What kind of player do you use for playing mp3
04:46<crazy_mangust>?
04:46<crazy_mangust>Sorry for my English
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04:50<zlynx>crazy_mangust: use audacious
04:50<nocturnal>crazy_mangust: nice to see others recognizing this important day =)
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04:51<ayaka>can i set root in any device in /dev and use that path in boot?
04:51<crazy_mangust>Bo-o-o...
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04:55<crazy_mangust>Can anybody give me answer on my question?
04:55<Pinkb1ts>which question ? about the mp3
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04:58<Pinkb1ts>I pretty much use amarok for all my music
04:58<Edifier>i just use mplayer no gui
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04:59<crazy_mangust>Amarok does not understand russian
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05:00<jm_>!ru
05:00<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
05:00<jm_>try asking there then
05:01<crazy_mangust>Ok.
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05:01<notau>!en
05:01<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
05:01<crazy_mangust>I downloaded muine
05:02<crazy_mangust>But when i opened him he sad "Don't have plugin"
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05:02<crazy_mangust>But what kind of plugin?
05:03<crazy_mangust>תודה )
05:04<jm_>try installing various gstreamer0.10-plugins-* packages
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05:05<jm_>gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly ought to do it
05:06<mns>which one is the default init system in debian?
05:06<mns>systemd?
05:06<mns>in debian wheezy
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05:09<jm_>sysvinit is the default
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05:10<mns>thanks
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05:59<ayaka>if i don't defined init in bootloader, will kernel search it
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06:01<nishant>hi
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06:18<saganbyte>Hi
06:18<saganbyte>Is the default run level for a server machine and a desktop machine different?
06:19<SynrG>no
06:19<themill>You are free to customise runlevels in any way you wish; Debian does not do this for you.
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06:20<SynrG>what's the actual problem you're trying to solve that this info is relevant to?
06:20<SynrG>i have not generally found customisation of run levels useful for Debian
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06:20<ayaka>in my memory, level 2 to 5 is same in debian
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06:21<saganbyte>SynrG, i m not solving any problem, just trying to understand the /etc/inittab file and linux services in general
06:21<Phoenix>saganbyte: i think we have encountered years of work just to inform you of inittab.
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06:24<SynrG>saganbyte: how about chapter three of Debian Reference then?
06:25<saganbyte>SynrG, thank you
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06:32<tima>hello
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07:05<ruchee>hello, everyone
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07:09<ser>is there any unofficial support for lenny, i mean a repository of packages?
07:09<petemc>archive.debian.org
07:10<kikinovak>Hi. What's the cleanest - and most orthodox - way to install a minimal Debian Wheezy? Install a minimal Squeeze, then edit sources.list accordingly and do 'aptitude full-upgrade'? Or is there a "better" way?
07:10<themill>lenny is actually still on the mirrors and will be for another few weeks (at least)
07:11<ser>but there are no more security-related packages, is there any repo which continues to make them?
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07:12<Phoenix>ser: all repos redistribute security updates by syncing. it's automatic so no worries about security updates, just regular packages.
07:13<petemc>erm
07:13<themill>Phoenix: umm... that's really not true at all. Please stop making up crap.
07:13<ser>but again, lenny is not longer supported by debian. is there any repo which continues to make security-related updates?
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07:14<themill>ser: the security.debian.org still has the *old* security updates for lenny; I don't know of any repository that is still making *new* security updates for lenny.
07:14<ser>so i am seeking for one :)
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07:24<medwards>Can someone point me to a good channel for Macbook Pro advice that isn't debian-mactel (It's dead)
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07:24<petemc>theres a #macosx channel on freenode
07:24<ser>medwards: macbooks are now pretty compatible with the rest of intel-like stuff
07:25<medwards>petemc: its not for free software work on OS X?
07:25<medwards>ser: I have it working, but there are lots of problems
07:25<petemc>its for mac support, i think i misunderstood your question
07:25<ser>medwards: ubuntu is better supported on mac then debian, unfortunately
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07:26<SynrG>ser: please turn off the bold
07:26<medwards>petemc: sorry, I should have phrased that better. I'm running Debian right now on my MacBook and was looking for help with getting it into a more useable state.
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07:26<medwards>ser: Yeah, I noticed a good number of PPAs that look very promising.
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07:27<ser>/msg medwards there is a special install cd for ubuntu for macs
07:27<medwards>I'm determined to avoid installing Ubuntu if at all possible, but if thats the recommendation...
07:27<SynrG>ser: please, *pretty* please, turn off the bold
07:27<medwards>ser: thanks. Also, would like to repeat the channel requests to turn off bold. It's not like writing in all caps, but its still kind of intrusive.
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07:29<ser>i am sure you client can turn it off, if you are annoyed
07:29<ser>your
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07:32<SynrG>so, every one of the annoyed people out of the 501 inhabitants here must do that just to accommodate your antisocial behaviour? nice world you live in, where you can do whatever the hell you want and then PM people to stop being annoying when they've just politely asked you to stop
07:33<ser>you have repeated it three times, not giving me a chance to react
07:33<ser>so it was really annouing
07:33<medwards>*sigh*
07:33<Maulkin>ser: Would you mind turning that off please?
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07:33<jm_>heh
07:34<Maulkin>Thanks in advance.
07:34<SynrG>sure, whatever
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07:35<medwards>haha bluewater
07:35<SynrG>(technically, i *repeated* it once. and i thought i was still polite when i did)
07:35<bluewater>SynrG: full ack
07:35<medwards>but for reals, thanks for the tipoff. Was hoping to come back to Debian after too long in Ubuntu, but maybe for my netbook
07:37<medwards>burning 11.10 right now. Going out for lunch, any other comments re: Debian support for Macbook Pro I'd be happy to hear.
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07:37<cpaq>is there a special package to install to read sdcards?
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07:40<Maulkin>cpaq: No, it should work by default. It depends what you want to do with it though.
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07:40<cpaq>Maulkin, usually I can just read em, but today, i getting an error, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
07:41<cpaq>missing codepage or helper program, or other error
07:41<Maulkin>cpaq: Sounds like there isn't a valid filesystem there.
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07:41<SynrG>cpaq: or else you're mounting the wrong thing
07:41<cpaq>no there is, i am missing a package, maybe I need fat fs
07:42<SynrG>there are two ways to format an SD card: with or without a partition table
07:42<SynrG>try mounting /dev/sdb instead
07:44<SynrG>or to identify what you have, try:
07:44<SynrG>dd if=/dev/sdb count=1 2>/dev/null | file -
07:45<cpaq>oh, I had an entry for cdrom in fstab that matched my usb stick, I commented it out, and now it works
07:45<cpaq>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67492
07:46<SynrG>yah. generally, you don't need stuff in fstab anymore. the desktop should handle automounting without it
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08:01<ayaka>do i need to rewrite sysvinit style script in case to usr systemd?
08:01<jm_>ayaka: some details are on http://wiki.debian.org/systemd
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08:02<ousseynou>hello
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08:05<ayaka>jm_ i have readed before, still unsure
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08:06<ayaka>jm_ it just cover some issuse, but what is the normal solution
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08:10<jm_>ayaka: I think systemd page has more info
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08:13<kikinovak>Hi. Anyone here using Debian Wheezy + KDE ? I'd like to know how usable it is for everyday work, e. g. not too many annoying bugs ?
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08:15<Erbureth>kikinovak: hi, it's better than stable's kde, imho
08:15<kikinovak>Erbureth: thanks !
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08:16<kikinovak>Erbureth: BTW, what's the "best" way to install a minimal Wheezy system, to start with? Install Squeeze, edit sources.list and then do 'aptitude full-upgrade'? Or is there a better way?
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08:16<Erbureth>kikinovak: you can use debian installer testing snapshot (iirc they are generated weekly)
08:17<Erbureth>kikinovak: also you might want to try KDE 4.7.4 that just hit unstable
08:17<kikinovak>Erbureth: OK, found it.
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08:18<ayaka>jm_ ok, maybe some english word fail me, could tell me in which section?
08:18<kikinovak>Yeah I'm actually downloading kde-plasma-desktop from wheezy on a sandbox machine. I live in a remote place with slow DSL, so the DL takes some time.
08:19<kikinovak>Erbureth: I've been using Squeeze+KDE 4.4.5 on my main workhorse PC for a few months, and I'm quite happy with it. But since the folks at KDE do much bug-squashing, I thought that a more recent version might do as well.
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08:21<Erbureth>kikinovak: i am constantly at testing/unstable, in my experience, the more recent KDE you have, the better
08:21<kikinovak>Erbureth: OK thanks for the advice.
08:22<jm_>ayaka: not sure, perhaps start here http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/daemon.html
08:22<kikinovak>My "Enterprise Class Desktop" is currently based on stable : http://www.microlinux.fr/desktop_linux.php
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08:25<ayaka>jm_ in my bad english i think wiki don't cover my question, the second is really long :) thank you
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08:26<xombix>+adi
08:26<xombix>@adi
08:26<ayaka>then about abi is it the thing indicate what platform does the builder use
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08:27<ayaka>xombix what are you doing
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09:14<ayaka>then if there is no x, how tty to show char?
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09:19<nightdrever>how do i access lmde server?
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09:22<ansgar>nightdrever: lmde as in Linux Mint? If so, why would #debian know?
09:22<SynrG>!lmde
09:22<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
09:22<nightdrever>ok SORRY for asking
09:22<nightdrever>lmde is linux mint debian edition
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09:26<burk>right.. so got away from ubuntu and mint .. installed debian /testing ... only problem is.. when i remove the usb key from the computer and try to reboot cant find grub in mbr ... tried grub-install update-grub nothing works ... anyone had similar problems b4??
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09:31<burk>grub any1?
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09:35<Phoenix>how many computers do you have?
09:35<burk>me?? one atm..
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09:36<Phoenix>don't you think your computer would have grub if it was working?
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09:37<Phoenix>right.
09:38<burk>well atm.. istarted it with isolinux off an usb key .. and it cant find grub in the mbr ..
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09:38<Phoenix>you have to have the right parameters.
09:38<burk>and it doesnt seem like grub likes the ssd ..
09:39<Phoenix>i've booted before with the right dd options.
09:39<burk>yes.. installed grub on (hd0)
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09:39<burk>tried dd zero the mbr and reinstall grub .. didnt work
09:40<Phoenix>yes, it was the install.
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09:41<burk>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1 .. that just restores the mbr to zero..
09:41<Phoenix>(hd0) seems like desktop. i've tried on that also, i don't think the installer sets up the paths right from usb.
09:42<Phoenix>unless it was livecd.
09:42<Phoenix>but the installer does mention the HDD on install.
09:42<burk>it was debian netinst dd:d onto an usb key
09:43<Phoenix>yeah, that's probably it.
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09:43<burk>i find the hd .. and installed .. reboots once .. no problem ... but if i remove the usb key and try to reboot it cant find anything on the hd ... just a _ blinking in the top left corner of the screen..
09:45<burk>reinstalled all of it 3 times now.. because grub dont wanna play.. :(
09:45<Phoenix>nah. there's more options in dd. check linuxquestions.org. they got some info usually on dd params.
09:47<burk>whats dd got to do with it?? dd just copys between two locations? .. surely grub-install or similar would be the right choice?
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09:48<Phoenix>iono. it's just a curses set up.
09:49<Phoenix>better than lilo, imho.
09:49<burk>atm im not sure.. at least lilo worked ... grub2 is crap .. :/
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09:50<Phoenix>i could tell linux is just in its' infancy.
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09:52<burk>hmm... nah .. been around for a long time... right now its just small anoying things thats the problem ... i had debian 93/94... that was infantile.. :P
09:52<Phoenix>yeah. legacy.
09:52<burk>ibm ps2... sx 25.. ;)
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09:53<Phoenix>i was on turbo linux. installed, removed.
09:53<Phoenix>i486, beginner in C++.
09:53<Phoenix>'98.
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09:54<chessmatek>hi all
09:54<chessmatek>is there anyone?
09:54<Phoenix>sosop.
09:54<chessmatek>sosop? what does it mean?
09:56<Phoenix>gonna check on some quick and dirty files.
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10:03<mvedelag>server bugcamp.net
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10:27<kikinovak>Hi. I'm running Squeeze with backports enabled for iceweasel and icedove. I wonder if there's some way to "browse" the backports repo to see what's available. With CentOS/Fedora and Yum, this would be something like 'yum --disablerepo=all --enablerepo=customthirdpartyrepo search packagename|list available|whatever'. Any idea how I could do something similar with aptitude or apt-get?
10:29<kikinovak>Or if I rephrase my question in a more simple way: how can I browse available backports for Squeeze?
10:29<kikinovak>That is: without actually searching individual packages.
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10:41<chealer>kikinovak: there's no convenient way. you could always temporarily disable (comment) all other APT sources, browse and re-enabled.
10:42<chealer>although if you consider a command-line approach, there would be ways to get a list
10:42<chealer>not with apt-get though
10:42<chealer>s/re-enabled/re-enable/
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10:58<SynrG>chealer, kikinovak: you could use synaptic, selecting squeeze-backports/main (backports.debian.org) from the "Origin" tab
10:58<SynrG>(I am addressing the simplified version of the question which does not specifically mention apt/aptitude)
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11:00<SynrG>surely this recipe could be adapted to produce something similar:
11:00<SynrG>!dmm list
11:00<dpkg>To list all packages you have installed from debian-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>.
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11:01<SynrG>(of course, that only shows what's installed on your system, but it may otherwise be a useful starting point)
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11:08<chealer>SynrG: oh, indeed. sorry. thanks, happy to be proved wrong on that
11:08<chealer>kikinovak: sorry, disregard what I told you, what SynrG said works here.
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11:35<SynrG>chealer: in fact, that's one of the very few useful things i retain (and recommend) synaptic for. otherwise, apt or aptitude for daily use. (another is my quarterly-or-so "find all the cruft on my system" review and purge sessions)
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11:38<SynrG>generally any activity which involves browsing very large numbers of packages, sorting by arbitrary criteria, and/or making very large and hard to keep track of selections can be done with less pain in a GUI than on the commandline (although i do have my favourite aptitude recipes to do *some* of those things)
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12:09<XeonBloomfield>Which MySQL GUI Client you recommend on Debian?
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12:37<chealer>XeonBloomfield: I'd say phpMyAdmin
12:37<XeonBloomfield>chealer: GUI app?
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12:37<XeonBloomfield>chealer: I Know PMA is good - but that is in browser one
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12:38<chealer>XeonBloomfield: well, phpMyAdmin is not a GUI app technically. it is a Web application. the GUI you use would be Iceweasel *with* phpMyAdmin, for example
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12:45<retrospectacus>XeonBloomfield: gsql seems decent. I'm just trying it out today
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12:46<retrospectacus>usually I use PMA or just the mysql cli
12:46<XeonBloomfield>chealer: I checked out TOra - it is great ;)
12:46<XeonBloomfield>retrospectacus: ;)
12:47<retrospectacus>I see :) it is for QT though, I am a GTK man
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12:52<chealer>hum, TOra looks nice indeed
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12:58<kikinova1>Hi. Anyone know how I can actually browse what's available in the backports repo, on a stable Debian Squeeze?
12:59<retrospectacus>with a browser - http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/
13:01<kikinova1>retrospectacus: thanks!
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13:01<retrospectacus>it's pretty bad :P I imagine there might be a better way
13:02<kikinova1>yeah I actually have to check out manually what's in a/, b/, c/, ...
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13:03<kikinova1>another question related to that. My main working system is Debian Squeeze + KDE4, with Iceweasel and Icedove installed from backports. How do I update these two?
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13:03<kikinova1>Or stated otherwise... if I simply do 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude full-upgrade', will this also take care of my backported packages?
13:03<retrospectacus>kikinova1: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel icedove
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13:04<kikinova1>Ah, so it's 'aptitude install', even if they are already installed.
13:04<retrospectacus>yeap
13:04<kikinova1>thanks
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13:07<chealer>kikinova1: do you know Synaptic?
13:08<semko>is 'apt-get autoremove' dangerous?
13:08<kikinova1>chealer: Yeah but I don't use it. I mainly use aptitude and dpkg
13:10<chealer>kikinova1: well, Synaptic allows that with its Origin filters
13:10<chealer>semko: hardly
13:11<semko>chealer: ok thanks.
13:11<kikinova1>chealer: you mean I can start a search with a general '*' joker, and that would show me all the available backports at a glance?
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13:11<retrospectacus>it can be dangerous when it autoremoves half of gnome
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13:12<chealer>kikinova1: it's a graphical application
13:12<kikinova1>chealer: I know, yes.
13:12<kikinova1>My question applied to the graphical application Synaptic
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13:14<kikinova1>chealer: the problem here is: Synaptic is a fronted for apt-get, not aptitude. These two use different databases, so I would lose the coherence.
13:14<chealer>kikinova1: Synaptic doesn't know about '*'. it has an Origin filter, as SynrG pointed out earlier (if you can check the log)
13:15<chealer>kikinova1: Synaptic isn't a front-end for apt-get. it's an APT front-end, like apt-get.
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13:15<kikinova1>chealer: Guess I'll simply give it a try.
13:15<kikinova1>anyway: thanks
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13:32<cesar>michelson morley dirac pauly shroedinger...¿en qué te distingues?
13:33<retrospectacus>cesar: wrong channel
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13:58<alephnull>Is there a way to "re-initialise" a debian installation ?
13:59<daemonkeeper>reinstall?
13:59<alephnull>Something like debootstrap /
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13:59<alephnull>daemonkeeper: It's a VM and I don't want to have to go through xen-tools agains.
13:59<alephnull>s/s\.//
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14:00<daemonkeeper>xen-tools make that very easy.
14:00<daemonkeeper>Much less work than bootrapping yourself.
14:01<alephnull>Yeah, I suppose.
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14:02<sml>anyone know what it is in bind9 (by which i mean what sets) the behaviour whereby bind will return REFUSED if the DNS service is queried from a non local IP? the reason being I'd like to allow my nagios monitoring station which sits on a different ip to query it. i've tried setting allow-query and allow-recursion but that's not helped. it must only respond to localnet and 127.0.0.1 by default as it's not set to do that explicitly as far as I can tell. help! :
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14:05<cesar>fn + impr pant
14:05<cesar>ctrl +v
14:06<cesar>on a image editor
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14:06<cesar>pei pei
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14:11<kop>sml: Is it listening on anything but localhost? See also <readme.debian>.
14:11<kop>!tell sml about readme.debian
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14:12<sml>kop: oh absolutely. it's a master DNS.
14:12<kop>sml: And you know it's working?
14:13<sml>kop: i can leave it as it is and it works fine for the domains in named.conf.local or i can tweak the options i mentioned and then it fails to reply to queries for the domains its master for externally unless it's from the ips specified in allow-query/akkiw-recursion
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14:14<sml>kop: it's been working fine for ages, so teh DNS server itself is fine. i just want to modify whatever setting it is to allow a specific external IP to perform a DNS query on a host that it's not master for
14:15<sml>i.e. i want my nagios monitoring station to be able to check the DNS server can resolve , say, www.google.com
14:16<sml>i can set it as an Open DNS server by doing allow-query {any;}; but that seems a bit drastic ? :-S
14:16<weasel>sml: allow-recursion {}
14:16<kop>sml: Did you restart the daemon? I'm not sure a "rndc reload" will do it, that's for zones. There might be another rndc command you could use, but you'd have to rtfm.
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14:17<kop>sml: And do the logs say anything? Maybe you made a syntax error.
14:17<weasel>e.g. allow-recursion { localhost; localnets; 192.0.2.0/24; }
14:17<weasel>;
14:17<sml>kop: yes. i did service bind9 restart. problem seems to be with how it's default config is set to respond to localnet/127.0.0.1 only
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14:17<Gits-TLM>Hello, I installed debian by net-install, but after installation, debian booted into text-mode instead of GNOME. How do I fix it?
14:18<kop>sml: You're setting stuff in named.conf.options? (Or do you have views?)
14:18<sml>weasel: i've done that. but then it ONLY works for localhost , localnets etc. i want it to repsond to the entire net if it's for a domain it's SOA for.. and otehr than that i want it to allow queries from ONE remote IP.
14:18<sml>kop: setting in named.conf.options
14:18<weasel>sml: allow-recursion is for localhost, localnets and that ONE remote ip.
14:18<weasel>sml: and for all the zones you are authoritative for you set allow-query { any; };
14:19<kop>Gits-TLM: Did you install a desktop or do you need to do that?
14:20<weasel>e.g. http://asteria.noreply.org/~weasel/volatile/2012-03-08-vKJOZ84wW9Y/filek3HSAN
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14:20<sml>i have acl internals { 127.0.0.0/8; 89.107.20.218/32; }; and then allow-recursion { internals; };
14:20<sml>obv, that second ip is my nagios box.
14:21<weasel>instead of 127/8 you probably want localhost
14:21<weasel>(which expands to all ip addresses of the host you're running on)
14:21<sml>weasel: ah ok that's good.
14:21<weasel>[ http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/acl.html ]
14:21<sml>when i do what iv'e written above.. my DNS server then only works locally or from that one IP, but it will no longer respond to ANY ip that requests a query for a domain it's master for (whcih is no good)
14:22<sml>will try with localhost
14:22<weasel>Thu 20:20:00 <weasel> e.g. http://asteria.noreply.org/~weasel/volatile/2012-03-08-vKJOZ84wW9Y/filek3HSAN
14:22<weasel>you want that allow-query {} in there
14:22<weasel>for all your zones.
14:22<weasel>or, you set allow-query { any; }; globally, but that might allow anybody to query your cache
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14:23<sml>weasel: yeah i was trying to avoid the latter if possible
14:23<weasel>so set it for your zones
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14:23<sml>weasel: is it possible to paste what i have to pastebin.. ?
14:23<weasel>sure
14:23<sml>cool.
14:24<weasel>(why wouldn't it?)
14:25<weasel>(personally I have changed my binds to be authoritative only, and run an unbound on the same host as recursor for that host)
14:26<mashihabong>I have a question... Is there a way to generate an image of Debian for ARM architecture from amd64 machine?
14:26<sml>http://paste.debian.net/159029/
14:27<weasel>sml: try that again :)
14:27<sml>weasel: indeed. sorry cut and paste error. don't use gnome much. more a terminal man
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14:28<weasel>http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/publish is what I use
14:29<sml>http://paste.debian.net/159030/
14:29<NictraSavios>Hello, I have a bit of an issue with networking on debian. I've googled around and found nothing, so would this be the proper place to seek assistance?
14:30<mashihabong>NictraSavios: What is the problem?
14:30<weasel>sml: *sigh*
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14:30<kop>mashihabong: Yes. The emdebian folks are probably the experts, but if you have a specific problem you could try asking here.
14:30<weasel>sml: how often have I told you to add the allow-query any stanza to your zone blocks now?
14:32<sml>weasel: why is it if i dont have the acl, and i dont mention allow-query or allow-recursion, teh DNS server responds to any query for zones it's master/slave for?
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14:32<NictraSavios>Gnome 3, on Debian-Testing installed via netinst When I start up, the network says "unavailable" (or something close to that), but when I run "sudo /etc/init.d/network stop && sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager stop && sudo /etc/init.d/network start && /sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager start", it works fine. (No restart does not work. Has to be both stopped, then started)
14:32<weasel>sml: you also have set allow-query { internal }
14:32<weasel>sml: it defaults to allow-query any
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14:33<mashihabong>kop: I want to create a hdd image for arm machine but I only have a amd64 machine.
14:33<kop>mashihabong: Yes. The emdebian folks do that a lot.
14:34<kop>mashihabong: But why not just install the arm arch? Recompiling is a lot of trouble.
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14:34<mashihabong>kop: How can I contact those folks?
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14:34<kop>!tell mashihabong about debootstrap
14:35<kop>mashihabong: There should be instructions in the install guide.
14:35<kop>mashihabong: I thought you wanted to cross-compile. You just want to install.
14:35<mashihabong>kop: I have a arm machine with no disc drive... So I am forced to do this.
14:35<mashihabong>kop: Sorry for misleading.
14:36<NictraSavios>I think it is something to do with the boot process, but I have absolutely no experience with Debian on that level. I can google for boot process tutorials, but I don't know what I have to do to make it work, so those tutorials are useless. Thus, I have no idea how to fix my issue. If you need any information like my /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/Networkmanager/networkmanager.conf , I can provide those as well.
14:36<sml>weasel: hmm maybe i should start again as im getting confused,. sorry. i have a master/slave setup with bind9. all is good. all is great :) external ips can query my zones to their hearts content. i just want to be able to allow one remote IP to use my dns and get it to resolve www.google.com (not one of the zones im responmsible for). i tried playing around with allow-query but that made it work but then blocked it for others. what is the right way of going
14:36<kop>mashihabong: no problem.
14:36<weasel> allow-query { internals; };
14:36<weasel>remove that line.
14:36<sml>weasel: ok..
14:37<weasel>if you won't do what I say, do at least that
14:37<sml>weasel: my god. it works
14:37*sml applauds
14:38<mashihabong>NictraSavios: Try ifconfig.
14:38<kop>NictraSavios: You might want to get support on #debian-next. That's the offical channel for testing.
14:38<NictraSavios>mashihabong, command not found. Its depreciated.
14:38<kop>NictraSavios: They're going to tell you to check the bug tracking system. And be sure to look at the bugs in the topic message too.
14:38<NictraSavios>kop, thank you.
14:38<kop>NictraSavios: Why are you running testing?
14:38<sml>weasel: ok i'm not going to be able to sleep tonight if i don't understand what it was i did wrong. :) was the allow-query actually being MORE restricive when set than it is if just left as default?
14:38<NictraSavios>Its not a bug. I've made sure of that.
14:38<weasel>sml: YES
14:38<kop>!tell NictraSavios about moving target
14:39<weasel>sml: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/queries.html HAVE YOU EVEN READ THAT?
14:39<NictraSavios>And because stable is old as dirt, sid is too buggy.
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14:39<kop>NictraSavios: Oh. You have <sns>. Ok.
14:39<NictraSavios>kop I am fully aware of this. I used to run ArchLinux, I am used to a rolling release.
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14:40<NictraSavios>Infact, that is why I am on testing. It fits what I'm used too.
14:40<sml>weasel: OK! the penny drops! sorry, i just didn't realise or get that the default is so open. and yet i've read that document. and sorry for asking such neophyte questions.i managed to get master/slave working fine with tranfers and notifies etc, so hopefully i get to redeem myself a little. but thanks for your patience.
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14:40<NictraSavios>sudo #debian-next
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14:40<NictraSavios>oops >.<
14:40<sml>weasel: by the way that bash script looks cool
14:40<NictraSavios>Why did I type sudo ...
14:40<weasel>sml: now add back that allow-query and set an allow-query { any; } in all your zone {} blocks.
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14:41<sml>weasel: understood.
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14:41<sml>(and replace 127.0.0.1 with localhost right?)
14:42<mashihabong>kop: So, is there any suggestion?
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14:43<kop>mashihabong: Use a debootstrap install. See the install guide for hard disk install (maybe, I forget.)
14:44<kop>mashihabong: (Not that I've used debootstrap.)
14:44<mashihabong>Kop: thanks for the tip!
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14:44<sml>weasel: works a treat
14:44*sml jumps with joy
14:45<weasel>sml: you could have had that 30 minutes ago
14:45<weasel>:)
14:45<kop>mashihabong: debootstrap --foreign seems what you want.
14:45<cesar>127.0.1.1
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14:46<sml>weasel: got to go and do it on my other slave now :)
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14:47<mashihabong>Kop: many thanks. :) signing off
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14:51<sml>weasel: also reading other docs and wiki.debian.org it appears that zone data are supposed to go in /var/cache/named.. i've just stuck it under /etc/bind/slaves not sure if that's going to come back to bite me?
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14:52<weasel>it gives a daemon write access to stuff in /etc
14:52<weasel>that's ... ugly
14:52<weasel>and it's not configuration data
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14:52<kop>!tell sml about fhs
14:52<weasel>/var is the Correct place
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14:53<kop>weasel: In _extreme_ cases /srv is a possiblity too. :-)
14:53<weasel>kop: true.
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14:53<weasel>kop: /srv is also correct, but /var is Correct? :)
14:53<sml>ok i shall move it :) is a symlink from /etc -> /var bad ?
14:53<kop>weasel: correct!
14:53<kop>sml: That would defeat the point.
14:54<weasel>sml: you'll never ever touch the files in slave
14:54<sml>kop: right. well i'll go sort this mess out. thanks kop and weasel.
14:54<weasel>there's no need/point to them being reachable in /etc
14:54<sml>weasel: this is true.
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14:55<sml>right well i'll go sort out my mess. and thanks again! :)))
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14:56<tassbur>can i install wheezy in a hdd with one partition, but using 2 separates subvolumes in btrfs
14:56<tassbur>of course boot is in a ext2 separate physical partition
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14:57<tassbur>i don't want to loose the ability to resize / and /home dynamically
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14:58<weasel>find out and let us know?
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14:58<tassbur>and i don't want to use lvm
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14:58<tassbur>is this posible?
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14:59<EnigmA-X>tassbur
14:59<EnigmA-X>I guess
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15:00<EnigmA-X>but btrfs is not the oldest fs around :)
15:00<NictraSavios>Well, it seems debian-testing has a troll in it. Would anyone here like to give helping me a try?
15:00<NictraSavios>The debian-testing chat has a troll*
15:00<weasel>no it hasn't.
15:00<weasel>there is no #debian-testing channel
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15:01<NictraSavios>debian-next ....
15:02<tassbur>EnigmA-X, which is the oldest fs? is better than btrfs?
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15:03<NictraSavios>tassbur, Most times older means worse.... but zfs has been around a damn long time.
15:04<EnigmA-X>is you want resizing, a more older and tested fs (at this time!) is lvm
15:04<EnigmA-X>why dont you like it?
15:04<EnigmA-X>and I am not sure if zfs can expand a volume while mounted?
15:05<NictraSavios>EnigmA-X, You said oldest, not best. And the only thing that can be extanded while mounted is volumes on lvm.
15:06<EnigmA-X>NictraSavios: I said that btrfs is *not* the oldest around (something with sarcasm) ;)
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15:06<EnigmA-X>tassbur asked what the oldest was
15:06<NictraSavios>EnigmA-X, :P, If you want best.... id say ext4. Mature enough to be stable.
15:06<EnigmA-X>ext4 with lvm
15:06<NictraSavios>Oh sorry, I'm not paying attention haha.
15:07<EnigmA-X>np :)
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15:08<EnigmA-X>tassbur: if you want to know what suits you best, simply read about filesystems, or even better: test
15:08<EnigmA-X>it's very hard to predict what suits you best
15:08<EnigmA-X>a fs is not a very simple thing
15:08<valdyn>!default
15:08<dpkg>If you don't know any better, always choose the default.
15:08<EnigmA-X>and differences are even worse ;)
15:08<NictraSavios>Thankfully, for most people it dosen't matter haha.
15:08<valdyn>there, easy
15:08<EnigmA-X>valdyn: so damn true
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15:09<EnigmA-X>well
15:09<EnigmA-X>most of the time ;)
15:09<NictraSavios>My webserver is on reiser4, my /boot is on ext2 , thats the only non-ext4 file systems I have in all my setups.
15:09<squeezeguy>ext4 is recommended in case of being exposed to system restoration too, isn't it?
15:10<squeezeguy>sorry to interrupt
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15:10<valdyn>squeezeguy: what the hell does "being exposed to system restoration" mean?
15:10<NictraSavios>My partition is a en encrypted ext4, OSX is on its hfs+.
15:10<EnigmA-X>ext4 is more like ext3 on steroids
15:11<squeezeguy>it means that if you have a server and system restoration is a paid service, some security papers recommend ext4
15:11<NictraSavios>valdyn, Its when a guy named System Restoration flashes you.
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15:11<squeezeguy>well i'm spanish, restoration might be the wrong word, sorry
15:11<NictraSavios>squeezeguy, It makes sense, don't worry :P
15:12<valdyn>squeezeguy: maybe you really are talking about fsck
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15:14<squeezeguy>also if you have more than one system, it is said that the backup unit should be in an old fs, like ext3 or 4, but debian security reccomends ext4
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15:14<EnigmA-X>ext4 is not really that old
15:14<squeezeguy>I don't know valdyn, what is fsck? sorry if it is a naive question
15:14<EnigmA-X>compared to some other mainstream fs
15:15<EnigmA-X>ehm
15:15<valdyn>squeezeguy: its the standard name of the filesystem check and repair tool
15:15<EnigmA-X>if you are talking about filesystems and don't know what fsck is
15:15<squeezeguy>ah ok, thank you
15:15<EnigmA-X>you actually should go for default
15:15<EnigmA-X>no pun intended :)
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15:15<valdyn>!fsck
15:15<dpkg>i heard fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. See also <forcefsck>.
15:15<squeezeguy>yes, It is true, I am new to linux and just happen to have read debian security papers last week
15:16<EnigmA-X>ah
15:16<squeezeguy>well, not that new to linux, just new to debian
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15:16<EnigmA-X>well fsck is not really bound to debian
15:16<squeezeguy>I always did all my fs in reiserf until debian
15:17<EnigmA-X>I see
15:17<EnigmA-X>with what os?
15:17<kop>squeezeguy: Since you're new to debian you might also want to see the <overview> factoid.
15:17<kop>!tell squeezeguy about overview
15:18<squeezeguy>with xubuntu first and then with puredyne for an year (puredyne project ended a month ago)
15:18<squeezeguy>ok thank you kop
15:18<EnigmA-X>why did you choose reiserfs in xubuntu if I may ask?
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15:20<squeezeguy>I read the file system descriptions in wikipedia and went for it. I didn't have any problem, but when I came to debian I read that for a secured system an older fs should be better
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15:21<EnigmA-X>hmmkay
15:21<squeezeguy><overview>
15:21<EnigmA-X>but I guess Xubuntu was very stable in your hands, at least you never had to repair any of your filesystems I guess :)
15:21<squeezeguy>sorry, how do I use the overview stuff?
15:22<EnigmA-X>afaik you repair a reiserfs partition with reiserfsck
15:22<EnigmA-X>or something like that (long time ago)
15:22<EnigmA-X>or is it different for reiser4?
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15:22<squeezeguy>well, as I had no problems I didn't have to do anything
15:22<EnigmA-X>haha
15:22<EnigmA-X>good sign ;)
15:23<EnigmA-X>anyhow, ext3 and ext4 is basicly mainstream at this time
15:23<EnigmA-X>and default in most distros
15:23<squeezeguy>yes maybe, but keep in count that it was not a server, neither a hard working machine
15:24<EnigmA-X>so safe to choose
15:24<squeezeguy>yes of course
15:24<EnigmA-X>a couple of years back, reiserfs was a pretty decent choice as well
15:24<squeezeguy>if you give me a moment I go for the link to debian security fs info
15:25<EnigmA-X>well, I got to go
15:25<EnigmA-X>something with #wife #couch #tv and stuff
15:25<squeezeguy>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.2
15:26<EnigmA-X>I will put it in my bookmarks and read it later
15:26<squeezeguy>bye EnigmA-X
15:26<EnigmA-X>thanks :)
15:26<squeezeguy>your welcome
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17:16<cardamon>Hmm.
17:16<cardamon>Trying to get xorg, slim, and xmonad working on this little netbook.
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17:17<cardamon>I setup an ~/.xinitrc, but I don't think /etc/slim.conf is looking in the right place for launching an X session.
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17:20<MrFrood>cardamon: I'm at a machine with slim installed now but iirc there are some example slim configs in the docs folder
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17:21<cardamon>...I don't even see a startx in my path.
17:22<MrFrood>if not there then they might of been included in the source tarball
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17:22<cardamon>....hhahaha
17:22<cardamon>I didn't have xorg installed.
17:22<cardamon>"Well there's your problem."
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18:43<kimmi>Hello, Is there any chance that the EPSON CX5600 scanner would work in debian squeeze¿¿
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18:48<dondelelcaro>kimmi: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-EPSON
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18:55<ChrisKnadle>Interesting: CX-5600 isn't listed, but previous models are and are all listed as having "Good" status
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18:56<ChrisKnadle>And later CX models like CX-6400 also show "Good" status. Seems like it might work.
18:57<ChrisKnadle>[No guarantees though, since it isn't listed specifically.]
18:58<ChrisKnadle>BRB
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19:03<ring0>where does 'uname -r' get its input from?
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19:06<garn32>try running 'man 2 uname'
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19:14<ring0>garn32, thanks
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19:22<kimmi>Thanx dondelelcaro and ChrisKnadle
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19:24<ChrisKnadle>kimmi: :-)
19:24<kimmi>This scanner, for what I have read, is not suported. There is a workarround using iscan.rpm packages but I would like to know if someone else found another way to make this work
19:25<ChrisKnadle>kimmi: :-( Ahh, drat.
19:25<kimmi>Im a new, recently, fresh, new new linux user =), and english is my far second leaguage =/
19:25<kimmi>Anyway, I'll keep googling
19:25<ChrisKnadle>Well, one thing I've heard people do is to modify the driver to include another device. [I've heard this being done for both Sane drivers as well as Linux drivers.]
19:26<ChrisKnadle>Might work, might not, but at least it's an idea.
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19:27<kimmi>sure ChrisKnadle, thanx again
19:27<ChrisKnadle>If you're new to Linux, this is something that will probably be challenging to try. [But also might be fun to try.]
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21:44<nardev>does anyone have experience with 5.3 or 5.5 MySQL on debian? any known issues?
21:48<Phoenix>what do you mean?
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22:01<sharpK>anyone have audio over HDMI working out of an nVidia card on squeeze?
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22:07<chealer>nardev: did you check the BTS?
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22:08<nardev>chealer, what is BTS?
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22:16<chealer>!tell nardev about bts
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22:17<ChrisKnadle>nardev: I'm pretty sure BTS = Bug Tracking System. i.e. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/
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22:31<nardev>ChrisKnadle, chealer thank you both :) but that was not what i was looking for
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22:32<nardev>ChrisKnadle, chealer i was thinking more about issues/problems during installation/migration/upgrade since it doesn't need to be bug...
22:32<nardev>I was looking for experiences
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22:34<chealer>nardev: the "BTS" is actually a general issue tracker.
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22:35<nardev>chealer, ok, thank you anyway.. i'll search it
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